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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and we are going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Ravens undrafted rookies. This is pretty niche content here,

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Speaker 1: but we know you Ravens fans and lounge listeners, you

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Speaker 1: like to get in the weeds, right and we've been

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Speaker 1: hearing from you that you want more discussion about the

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookies. So we're going to talk about that as

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Speaker 1: well as some of the most hotly contested and tough

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Speaker 1: roster decisions the Ravens are going to have to make

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Speaker 1: as they cut down to fifty three.

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Speaker 2: Really a week away from that, yeah, from those decisions.

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Speaker 3: It's right around the quarter one preseason game left and

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Speaker 3: they joint practice with Green Bay, So this is the

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Speaker 3: last week for undrafted guys and anybody on the bubble

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Speaker 3: to make their push for that roster spot. And you know,

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Speaker 3: generally speaking, I think most of the decisions are made,

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Speaker 3: but when you have joint practice, a joint practice in

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Speaker 3: the mix, I think that that maybe as just another

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Speaker 3: opportunity for these guys who are trying to make the team.

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Speaker 3: And it's always interesting undrafted rookie conversation is always I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's this way for all thirty two teams,

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Speaker 3: but for Ravens fans it is always a big point

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Speaker 3: of interest and the Ravens have had a lot of

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Speaker 3: success on this front. We got an email over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: and this is part of what prompted this discussion from

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Speaker 3: our guy at Dustin Howard, who said, Ryani Garrett, I

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Speaker 3: was wondering if you think any undrafted rookies will make

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Speaker 3: the team this year. I believe there was a streak,

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Speaker 3: but I could be wrong on that front.

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Speaker 2: So there was a streak. There was a streak sixteen

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Speaker 2: straight years.

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Speaker 1: That was the league's longest streak in which the Ravens

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Speaker 1: had an undrafted rookie free agent on their initial fifty

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Speaker 1: three man roster. That streak was snapped in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: COVID canceled the preseason.

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Speaker 2: That could have had an effect or whatnot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, So the streak ended there, but

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Speaker 1: at least one has made the Ravens roster in nineteen

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Speaker 1: of the last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Last year.

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Speaker 1: Last season it was Keaton Mitchell and Malie cam both

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Speaker 1: made the initial fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 3: So they took a one year hiatus in twenty twenty right.

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Speaker 1: Back to it exactly. So chances are that ones making

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Speaker 1: the roster. Yeah, but I'm not so.

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Speaker 2: Sure about that this year.

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Speaker 3: Well, Yes, So we're going to dive into some of

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Speaker 3: the individual players, and I will say I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of times going into it, like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: last year at this time, if we were saying I

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Speaker 3: think Mullikam is going to make the team, like I

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Speaker 3: think Mulli Kam, I think you're saying that. I think

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Speaker 3: you're saying Keith Mitchell, and then both of them made it.

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Speaker 3: I just my point is, I think there's always somebody

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Speaker 3: who impresses the coaches, who earns his way onto it,

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Speaker 3: onto the team that you're not necessarily aware of. So

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Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna dive into some of that discussion.

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Speaker 3: I think both of us would probably agree that the

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Speaker 3: most likely candidate in our eyes is probably Bo Braid,

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Speaker 3: the safety out of Maryland.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think he He had a good

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Speaker 1: second preseason game, led the team in tackles, almost made

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Speaker 1: a diving interception that, as I said on our recap pod,

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Speaker 1: should have been an interception. In my eyes, this was

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Speaker 1: a really good play. And you know, here's a guy

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Speaker 1: that was really probably the ravens most highly touted undrafted

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Speaker 1: rookie right after the draft. I mean, there were a

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Speaker 1: number of draft analysts who thought he should have been

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Speaker 1: Ravens had familiarity with him because you know, you have

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Speaker 1: this local combine where players from local colleges can come out.

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Speaker 1: So the Ravens had establish a connection there, I think,

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Speaker 1: and were able to reel him in to be a

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Speaker 1: You know. And the Ravens also didn't draft a safety

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Speaker 1: a pretty even competition at the gate. You know, Sanoocy

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Speaker 1: Kane was their last pick. You're going against the undrafted

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Speaker 1: bo Braid had a little bit of a slow start

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Speaker 1: And then I thought Sanoosie Kane looked really good at

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Speaker 1: who has looked good in Ravens practices, training camp practices

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Speaker 1: Marcus Williams, Kyle Hamilton, Eddie Jackson, and then Ardarius Washington

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Speaker 1: really would be your fourth safety. It kind of depends

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Speaker 2: Really I think it's both.

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Speaker 1: But if you only have enough room for a fourth

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Speaker 1: Go's dart areas. Yeah, if you feel like Ardarius takes

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Speaker 1: door for Snoozie Kane or Bo Braid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with your point at the beginning, which

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Speaker 3: is that I think that Caine and Braid basically entered

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Speaker 3: playing field. I mean, I guess Soucy Kaine maybe a

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Speaker 3: these guys are neck and neck, you know, and so

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Speaker 3: it's and I think they've both had moments, and I

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Speaker 3: think that sometimes it comes down to who's playing best

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a really good game from him.

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Speaker 3: In addition to almost having that pick. I thought he

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Speaker 3: so I think that he's he's come on, and I

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Speaker 3: Ravens have have really not played many other starters at all,

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Speaker 3: think that I don't know what the odds are, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know thirty twenty five percent that he that

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Speaker 3: that Braid ends up making the team. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: a chance that neither of them make the fifty three,

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Speaker 3: as you just spelled out, like, there's a chance that neither.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's it's not a situation where the Ravens

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Speaker 1: Look, the Ravens have a lot of defensive backs, like

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Speaker 1: they are loaded in the secondary, and so there's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of obvious you know, you have Pepe Williams too,

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Speaker 1: I think he would have a leg up on both

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Speaker 2: So there's not a lot of space. Yeah, it's really tight.

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Speaker 3: The other thing I just want to mention, just from

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Speaker 3: then come back and they can be designated for return

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Speaker 3: at that point.

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Speaker 2: So previously or handshake Brent Urban deals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like previously they would have a deal, but they

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Speaker 3: would they would release a veteran and then that player

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Speaker 3: would be back. You know, I don't even he didn't

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Speaker 3: even clear out his locker, you know, he would just

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Speaker 2: I mean, there can still be, there could still there

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Speaker 3: But using like Arthur Mlette as an example, he would

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Speaker 3: be a candidate who could go on IR at the

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Speaker 3: cutdown date, not count against the roster, but then be

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Speaker 3: designated to return to come back at some point. Of course,

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Speaker 3: that depends on how his injury is. But I just

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Speaker 3: think that that's that's one change this year.

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Speaker 2: With that kind that helps.

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Speaker 1: The chances of undrafted rookie of making the initial fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it definitely. I think it increases those odds.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: So another guy who I think is making a case,

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Speaker 3: Saturday's game against the Falcons, is Dayton Wade? He had

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Speaker 3: was somebody who I think that. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: him coming into training camp as an intriguing player. I

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Speaker 3: think he's made some plays in training camp. I don't

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Speaker 3: When you pull off a double move touchdown like he had,

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Speaker 3: I think it takes it forces the coach to take

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Speaker 3: guy's making us a play. Should we should we carry him?

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Speaker 3: If you're you know, fifty six yard touchdowns, I like that,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it doesn't hurt your chances. It does

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Speaker 3: not hurt your chances, not at all. So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: what do you think of wade shot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's a very good shot.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think he's got a very good shot

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Speaker 3: Let's run through it. The top four. You know we've

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Speaker 3: it's it's Zay Flowers, Rashad Bateman, Nelson Aguilor Devontes Walker,

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Speaker 3: I think is for him though he's still dealing with

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Speaker 3: And then you're looking at Tyler Wallace, Deontay Hardy.

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Speaker 1: Right, Hardy's making the team, I mean because it's it's

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Speaker 1: been pretty clear, even though he got a late start,

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Speaker 1: that he's their return. They've been crystal clear about that.

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Speaker 1: So that's five. Yeah, you know, well that's fine. That's

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Speaker 1: like if the rib is so bad that he starts

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Speaker 1: on I R to your point earlier, right, if you're like,

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Speaker 1: well we have this second spot, why not use it?

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Speaker 1: Then that changes the calculus there. I don't know, we

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Speaker 1: don't know anything. You know, how bad that rib injury is.

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Speaker 1: Usually that's not something that's like surgery or something. It's

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Speaker 1: just time right for something like that to heal. But

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Speaker 1: you know, so let's just say Tes is on the

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Speaker 1: I think Tyler Wallace has the edge on the sixth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a special teams player. Like to me, you're not

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like even if even if tes Walker.

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Speaker 1: Malik like flashed, I thought more than CJ did Malik

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Speaker 3: Sure one other name here, yeah, well that was the

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Speaker 1: I mean, he also put up like some pretty darn

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Speaker 3: come out after the game. And cut down to day

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Speaker 3: is next Tuesday, so you know, basically soon after that game,

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Speaker 3: that process begins. Anyway, on the offensive line, I think

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Speaker 3: those final spots are still kind of being decided, and

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Speaker 3: Tashawn Manning is somebody who I think is in the

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Speaker 3: consideration for one of the guard spots. You know. I

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Speaker 3: think that it depends do the Ravens. Do the Ravens

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Speaker 3: bring anybody in? Is there anybody that gets cut, you know,

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Speaker 3: from another team? Do they do they like what they've

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Speaker 3: seen enough from Ben Cleveland as an example, or do

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Speaker 3: they want to give you know, Tayshaun Manning a shot there.

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Speaker 3: I think that he's he's in the conversation. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that he's gonna end up on the fifty three,

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Speaker 3: but I think that he's He's gonna be a tough call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that if the Ravens, you know, Ben

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Speaker 1: Cleveland had the bad snap in the preseason game, if

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Speaker 1: the Ravens did not feel like if they didn't feel

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Speaker 1: confident enough that Ben Cleveland could be also a backup center,

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Speaker 1: and and they're just saying, hey, who's going to be

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Speaker 1: our guard here? And we like Manning better than Ben Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: He could take that spot, right And you have Nick

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Speaker 1: Saymac like, maybe they feel like they give the spot

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Speaker 1: to him, you know, a seventh round rookie, the backup

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Speaker 1: center job. I still believe that probably Ben Cleveland has

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Speaker 1: if you look at the totality of his work, done

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Speaker 1: enough to make to get a fifty three man roster spot,

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Speaker 1: and that one bad snap at center isn't going to

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Speaker 1: scare the Ravens off from saying he's our kind of

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Speaker 1: backup backup center, right because Pat McCarey's really your backup center.

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Speaker 1: That's my feeling. But Manning would again be in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's just a six foot three, I mean, very different

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Speaker 1: body style from Ben and Cleveland, three inches shorter, in

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Speaker 1: about thirty pounds later, twenty five pounds later, you're six

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Speaker 1: foot three, three thirty five out of Kentucky. Forgetationhan Manning.

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Speaker 1: But you know, kind of a hard nose blocker, just

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Speaker 1: a gritty blocker. And yeah, I agree, I think I

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Speaker 1: think he has a shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I think one other tough roster decision

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Speaker 3: that we haven't talked too much about is how many

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks the Ravens keep. Emery Jones, another undrafted rookie, helped

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Speaker 3: himself on on Saturday. I think it's it's the top

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Speaker 3: two or set with Lamar and Josh Johnson. The question

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Speaker 3: is really do you keep three and if they keep three,

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Speaker 3: I think it would be Devin Leary the sixth round

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Speaker 3: rookie or do you just keep two? And then you're

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Speaker 3: looking at competition for that practice squad spot between Emory

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Speaker 3: Jones and Devin Leary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that they're gonna keep three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be two. Devin Leary went three

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Speaker 1: of five for twenty four yards against the Falcons, really

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Speaker 1: got pretty limited runtime. Emery Jones had more than than

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Speaker 1: Devin Leary did. Yeah, I mean here's a fifth round

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Speaker 1: pick or six, I'm sorry, sixth round pick that I

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Speaker 1: don't think you know for another team to add your quarterback. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you release them, he goes on, If you wave them,

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Speaker 1: he goes on waivers. If another team claims him, it

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Speaker 1: has to go in their fifty three men roster nobody's

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Speaker 1: I don't think other teams are gonna claim a guy

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Speaker 1: that they barely have seen play in the preseason first

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Speaker 1: of all, right, right, he has no familiarity with your

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Speaker 1: it's starting over for that quarterback, like of any position

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Speaker 1: that like. And this is part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: people who were saying should the Ravens bring in a

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Speaker 1: different number two quarterback other than Josh. Quarterback is such

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Speaker 1: a mental position where you have to have time in

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Speaker 1: that system to really know it and operate it well.

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Speaker 1: Can you be thrust in and do okay? Sure, but

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Speaker 1: it's a long haul for a rookie. Right, So like

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, you've built equity with the team that

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Speaker 1: you've been with all summer, you know that system best.

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Speaker 1: You go to another team, it just doesn't make much sense.

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Speaker 1: That's a risky move for you in your career. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Ravens would be There'd be a

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Speaker 1: lot of danger of Devin Leary being claimed by somebody else,

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Speaker 1: And then when it comes to going on somebody's practice squad,

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Speaker 1: it makes a whole lot more sense for Devin Leary

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Speaker 1: to sign on the Ravens practice squad than anybody else's

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're looking at Josh Johnson. Here's

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Speaker 1: a thirty something year old. You know, he's not going

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Speaker 1: to be the Ravens number two quarterback for the next

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Speaker 1: four years most likely.

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Speaker 3: Look when the Ravens drafted Devin Larry, the conversation at

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Speaker 3: the time is he's a developmental quarterback. You can take

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Speaker 3: over Mars beckup as a late round pick.

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Speaker 1: Right. Josh Johnson's thirty eight years old, right, So like

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Speaker 1: his time as the Ravens number two quarterback, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: he's defied father time, so I shouldn't put a clock

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Speaker 1: on him.

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Speaker 2: But like, you know, that was kind of the idea.

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Speaker 1: And so Devin Leary landing on the Ravens practice squad,

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Speaker 1: there'd be a lot worse places to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I think that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: agree with how that could play out, you know, and

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Speaker 3: Embry Jones has helped himself. Like I'm not like, but

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Speaker 3: I think that Devin Leary. If I'm making a guest

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Speaker 3: right now, I still think it's going to be Devin Leary.

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Speaker 3: Even though emmra Jones had the nice game you know.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: So any other thoughts before the preseason finale. We're going

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