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Speaker 1: history class from hot works dot com. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Holly Frown. I'm Tracy Wilson. Uh So.

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Speaker 1: In a Midsummer Night's Dream, William Shakespeare famously wrote the

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Speaker 1: Course of True Love never did run smooth. Today's topic

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Speaker 1: delves into the story of a man who completely gave

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Speaker 1: up on the idea of love in that very romanticized sense,

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Speaker 1: and instead he set about cultivating the perfect wife. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It is not horror in the Bride of Frankenstein sense.

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Speaker 1: He didn't build a wife from scraps, but it does

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Speaker 1: involve some really truly unsettling ideas and behaviors. Uh. Englishman

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Speaker 1: Thomas Day's image in history is generally a pretty positive one.

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Speaker 1: He was an eighteenth century abolitionist who co wrote the

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Speaker 1: poem The Dying Negro and also penned the anti slavery

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Speaker 1: narrative The History of Sandford and Merton. But there is

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Speaker 1: a troubling section of day's life in which he completely

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Speaker 1: changed the courses of two young women's lives through a

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Speaker 1: cruel and ill conceived social experiment. Heads up, This episode

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Speaker 1: includes abuse that is perpetrated by an adult man on

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Speaker 1: a preteen and then teenage girl. And this abuse is

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Speaker 1: not sexual in nature, but it is incredibly cruel. So

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Speaker 1: if you have sensitivities to hearing about such things, this

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Speaker 1: might be one to skip. If you think you might

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Speaker 1: will give you a heads up before we get into

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Speaker 1: the really, really cruel aspects of the story. I will

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Speaker 1: tell you that as I was working on the research

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Speaker 1: for this, I became and have stayed mad as hornets.

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Speaker 1: Like I just I don't remember the last time I

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Speaker 1: was so agree at a historical subject. And that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: Singer is going to come out of this looking not

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Speaker 1: so bad. But you've picked some winners recently. I really

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Speaker 1: do not mean to be doing a series on histories jerks, right,

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Speaker 1: but I accidentally did. Uh well. We also, we get

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Speaker 1: a lot of notes when we especially when we promote

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Speaker 1: stuff on our Facebook and our Twitter, we get notes

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Speaker 1: from parents asking something along the lines of would this

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Speaker 1: be okay for my however, many year old, we normally

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Speaker 1: listened together. Uh, and I'm gonna say this might be

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Speaker 1: a good one to pre listen first, because it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to judge. Yeah, Like the cruel things are not

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Speaker 1: So we will get into all of that. Uh. Talking

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Speaker 1: He was born into wealth on June two, seventeen, and

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Speaker 1: his mother, Jane, was from a wealthy merchant family. His

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Speaker 1: become far worse if she told anyone, and he saw

432
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: this as a way to test her, and he became

433
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: disappointed when she went to the servant of a neighbor's

434
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: house and disclosed the information. Their speculation about whether or

435
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: not she was just being a blabbermouth or whether she

436
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: was concerned and trying to get help. She certainly didn't

437
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: share any of the other horrible secrets with this servant,

438
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: so it seemed like she was probably trying to get help.

439
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: As time went on, it became apparent that she really

440
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: wasn't excited by science or books, so Day started to

441
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: get increasingly frustrated with her she was having to go

442
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: through this endless cycle of lessons and tortures with no

443
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: explanation as to why any of it was happening to her,

444
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: and that was all starting to really take a toll

445
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: on this young woman. Through the entire ordeal, she had

446
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: no idea that she was going to be expected to

447
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: marry Thomas Day at the end of her education. Additionally,

448
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: Sabrina was nearly fourteen at this point, and having a

449
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: young woman with no family living in a house with

450
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: a bachelor was starting to look really seedy to pretty

451
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: much everyone. Uh, And so at the beginning of seventeen

452
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Speaker 1: seventy one, Thomas, who had grown tired of her not

453
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: enjoying science and apparently not being strong enough to withstand

454
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: all of his tests, easily decided that his experiment was

455
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: a failure. But of course this was not his failure,

456
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: except in so far as he had clearly select the

457
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: wrong girl for training. Sabrina was sent to boarding school,

458
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: where she became a really diligent student, and once she graduated,

459
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: she was given a regular living allowance. By Day. She's

460
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: almost universally described as a lovely young woman and incredibly

461
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: well liked, so it seems as though this awful treatment

462
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: as his ward didn't wind up hindering her social development.

463
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: Almost immediately after sending Sabrina away, Day did find a

464
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: woman who he felt meant all of his needs, and

465
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: that was the writer Honora Snaid. And of course, by

466
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: virtue of the fact that she was very strong, very smart,

467
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: and had a mind of her own, she did not

468
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: want to be with a man like Thomas Day, who

469
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: felt that she had to capitulate to him. She in

470
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: fact ended up married to his friend Edgeworth, who got

471
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: married a lot of times. Next, he fixated on her

472
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: sister Elizabeth, who thought she might be willing to marry

473
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: Day if he was willing to learn some manners and

474
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: correct some of his own defects, and surprisingly he agreed.

475
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: He traveled to Leon where he took fence and dancing lessons,

476
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: and he even submitted to a torturous sounding contraption that

477
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: was designed to correct his knock knees by forcing them outward. Yeah,

478
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: he had to sit in this weird chair and have

479
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: the screws applied that we're supposed to shift his legs

480
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: to a more proper position. And he would just sit

481
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: there for hours on end, reading apparently. But after all

482
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: of this, when he returned from France, Elizabeth was not

483
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: mean to him. Uh. She also ended up married to

484
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: Edgeworth after her sister had passed away. He really didn't

485
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: he I think Edgeworth had four wives over the course

486
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: of his life and something like twenty two children. But

487
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: he seemed like a fairly jovial fellow that ladies liked,

488
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: and he was not so creepy. Maybe. In seventeen seventy four,

489
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: they met wool heiress Esther Milns, who fell in love

490
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: with him at first sight. His poem The Dying Negro

491
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: had been published the previous year, and Esther, who had

492
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: a long line of pretend suitors clamoring for attention, fixated

493
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: on this man who's political and social ideas she felt

494
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: really closely matched her own. Yeah. She It's one of

495
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: those things. I mean, I'm sure you've had this happen

496
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: where you have a friend that's kind of a persnicketty

497
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: pain and that took us and they meet someone and

498
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: that person just thinks they're the most amazing creature on earth.

499
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: There's an emmin in my head right now. Yeah, And

500
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: it's fascinating to watch that play out and that's exactly

501
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: what it is with Esther. She was just full of

502
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: incredible praise for him, and it's like she saw his

503
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: flaws but still thought he was amazing. And after several

504
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: years of Day debating whether Esther was truly right for him,

505
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: which go figure. I mean again, this is like one

506
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: of the most desired women of their society at the

507
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: time going nope, you're the one for me, and he's like,

508
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, um, it's just fascinating to me. Uh.

509
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: But he decided finally that she was the woman for him,

510
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: and the pair married in seventeen vnd eight. And the irony,

511
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: of course here was that Esther came from everything that

512
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Day hated. She was a woman of wealth, she had

513
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: been raised in society, she had been formally educated in

514
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: the system that he believed could only corrupt women. And

515
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: yet she did meet all of his requirements pretty much,

516
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: and she was perfectly happy to live in isolated life

517
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: of the mind with him. He just wanted them to

518
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: live far away from everyone else and do nothing but read.

519
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: As the seventeen eighties arrived, Day was really throwing himself

520
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: pretty fully into social and political matters. The first volume

521
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: of Sanford and Merton was published in seventeen eighty three,

522
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: about to introduce a surprising twist, which is that in

523
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: seventeen eighty four Sabrina married Day's best friend, John Bicknell.

524
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Day paid her dowry at this point, uh and in

525
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: the period leading up to the wedding, Bicknell confessed to

526
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Sabrina that she had been Day's experiment in bridal education,

527
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: and that he, John Bicknell, had been complicit in this scheme.

528
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: So was sort of like a confession of laying all

529
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: of his cards on the table before they got married,

530
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: and doing so seemed to save Bignal from Sabrina's wrath,

531
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: but she wrote a really angry letter today demanding that

532
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: he explained himself. In response to Sabrina, they wrote quote,

533
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I never thought I had a right to sacrifice another

534
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: being to my own good or pleasure. But I thought

535
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: myself sufficiently entitled to make an experiment where where whatever

536
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: else ensued, you would be placed in circumstances infinitely more

537
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: favorable to happiness than before. He also made it clear

538
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: to her that the failing of the experiment was her fault,

539
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: writing quote, the dislike you soon discovered for every species

540
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: of domestic application was one of the first causes of

541
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: dispute between us. What a jerk, Yeah, just oh uh again,

542
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: it's like he kind of sees her as property, Like, oh,

543
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: I adopted a poor orphan so I could abused it

544
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: because eventually I would it would be in better situation

545
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: than being an orphan. Surely, It's just it's so entitled

546
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: and gross. Uh. He also in that writing managed to

547
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: get in a really gross dig in the matter of

548
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: Sabrina's marriage to Bicknell, telling her that she should consider

549
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: herself extraordinarily lucky that John would want to marry her

550
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: rather than quote a hundred others, your superior. John Bicknell

551
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: died in seven leaving Sabrina a widow with two children,

552
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and they reinstated an allowance for her, but much smaller

553
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: than he had been paying before her marriage. She took

554
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: She took a job as a housekeeper at a village

555
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: school to try to make ends meet, and eventually one

556
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: of Bignell's friends created a fund for Sabrina and the

557
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: children out of contributions from John's many law associates. Yeah, John,

558
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: even though he had come from a good family and

559
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: had a good job. He had had some problems handling

560
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: money and some gambling issues, and so there really was

561
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: not much left when he passed away. Uh. And then

562
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: just two years after this, in seventeen eighty nine, at

563
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: the age of forty one, Thomas Day died suddenly when

564
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: he was thrown from a horse. He had raised the animal,

565
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: but had refused to train it in any traditional sense

566
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: because he thought that was a form of cruelty, but

567
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: he still attempted to ride it, which he did not

568
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: think was a form of cruelty. I have a question, yes,

569
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: why was it cruel to train a horse, but it

570
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: was not cruel to train a woman? Because he's Thomas Day,

571
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and he had some twisted ideas about ladies and how

572
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: to treat human beings. And apparently horses have more feelings

573
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: than women do. It seems that way and his view.

574
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: So after he died, Esther continued Sabrina's allowance. And the

575
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: Sabrina issue was one that apparently had come up and

576
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: quarrels between the two of them, So Esther recognized that

577
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Sabrina's misfortunes had not been any fault of her. Yeah,

578
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: though her writing about it, it's kind of weird because

579
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: she again Estra was in love with Thomas for all

580
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: of his faults, and so in her eyes, Sabrina really

581
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: missed out on being with this amazing person. Everyone in

582
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: this story is so gross, Hollywood. They just have such

583
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: a weird view of humans and people that are not

584
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: part of their wealthy little click. It's very strange. Uh.

585
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: Sabrina lived out the rest of her life in relative anonymity,

586
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: working for most of it as a housekeeper in a

587
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: boys school. She died in September eighteen forty three, at

588
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: the age of eighty six. There had been several times

589
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: throughout her life where she was a little concerned that

590
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: all of this was going to come to light. Many

591
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: of his friends wrote about him, you know, he kind

592
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: of became, uh, one of those figures against romanticized because

593
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: he died so young, and because he did write several

594
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: important abolitionist texts, and so she was prepared, actually very

595
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: afraid that they were going to out her, that they

596
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: would write memoirs about him and then talk about this thing,

597
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: and that her honor was really going to get called

598
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: into question, even though by all accounts there was no

599
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: sexual relationship between the two of them. She still recognized

600
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: that it would invite that kind of speculation, and she

601
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: was really worried because she had kids at that point,

602
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: and even when they were young men and adults, she

603
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: just didn't want them to ever have to go through

604
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: knowing that this kind of ugly chapter was part of

605
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: their family's life. That there were a lot of close calls,

606
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: but none of those seemed to come to Fruition. So angry,

607
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: and everyone in the story too. You see why I

608
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: said I was mad at hornets the whole time. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

609
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Do you have some listener mail that will not make

610
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: us angry? Not only that, I have one that's a

611
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: surprise for you, because Tracy's in the studio this week.

612
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: She's visiting Atlanta from Austin, and so one of them

613
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: I kept, and it's to make you smile. So you

614
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: can't look at that, Okay, well you can. I'm reading

615
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: another one first. They're both postcards, sort of. The first

616
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: one is a postcard from our listener, Elizabeth, and it

617
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: is a postcard from the Crescent Hotel at Eureka Springs.

618
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: She says, thanks, thanks for your show on Eureka Springs.

619
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: My husband and I are both long times, long time fans,

620
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: and we re listened to the tragic tale of Dr

621
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Baker before honeymooning. Here we have seen no ghosts, but

622
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: we have met Casper, the hotel's lovely cat. So Kitty, congratulations.

623
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: I hope you had a wonderful wedding and honeymoon, and

624
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: thank you for telling us about Casper. Okay, and the

625
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: next one, well, then I gotta get it out quietly

626
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: and carefully here because it is amazing. It is from

627
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: our listener Crystal. She painted it herself and it is

628
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: um an image that she painted of what I presume

629
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: is a rock band. Margie and the love of bon

630
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: Tintometer boys. Oh my goodness, so it is. She has

631
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: a little note on the back. Tracy's holding it now, Margie,

632
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: Mark Grim and Olio and like this amazing. It's the

633
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: cutest that host starred ever. She hand painted this postcard

634
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: and it's really really awesome. Uh. The boys are named

635
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: I think it's Maslow, which Google is telling me is

636
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: butter in Check and Olio and it's just adorable. We

637
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: will for sure share it because it is the cutest

638
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: thing you have ever seen, and it reminds me of

639
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: the old You probably did not see this, or maybe

640
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: you did. Uh. In Epcot there used to be a

641
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: stage show called Food Rocks where food would come out

642
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: and sing rock and roll songs about nutrition. Uh, And

643
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: it reminds me of the fine see of that that

644
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: was not there the one time I have ever been

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