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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet

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<v Speaker 1>your Girl Daniel Moody. Pre Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking a little bit of a respite before we

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<v Speaker 1>head into the craziness of convention at the end of August,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm leaving you, as always with some really

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<v Speaker 1>good interviews. Coming up on today's episode is my conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with Jillian Kin, who is the director of Global Policy

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<v Speaker 1>and Research at IPASS, the leading organization working to increase

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<v Speaker 1>access to sexual and reproductive healthcare globally. In this conversation, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about Project twenty twenty five and how Project

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five is already underway in countries like Guatemala,

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<v Speaker 1>and what we can learn about how these conservative policies

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<v Speaker 1>are being tested outside of our borders. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>while Donald Trump wants to distance himself from Project twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, while you know, they just fired one of

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders of Project twenty twenty five, and Trump campaign

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<v Speaker 1>wants to release a statement and say that it's disbanded.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that that is let me think about it, bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>because they have no platform outside of that and they

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<v Speaker 1>can call it whatever the fuck name that they want

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<v Speaker 1>to call it, But the reality is this is what

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans want. And there is leaked audio that is now

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<v Speaker 1>going around of Kevin Roberts, who is the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the Heritage Foundation, who says that it's totally fine if

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump wants to distance himself publicly from Project twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. But guess what, they know what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're good to go with the fucking pr

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<v Speaker 1>game that they're trying to run on the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, all I have to say wants a liar,

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<v Speaker 1>always a liar, don't fall for the robodote. Coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>my conversation with Jillian Kane, Folks. I am very happy

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome to OKF Daily. Gillian Kane, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>director of Global Policy and Research at IPASS, the leading

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<v Speaker 1>organization working to increase access to sexual and reproductive healthcare globally,

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<v Speaker 1>monitors the rise of anti abortion and anti LGBTQ movements

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<v Speaker 1>across the world and has been on the front lines

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<v Speaker 1>looking at how Project twenty twenty five has been tested

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<v Speaker 1>globally before making its way into the United States. Jillian, first,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to us about your organization and how you came

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<v Speaker 1>to understand or see firsthand Project twenty twenty five in

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<v Speaker 1>action outside of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, thanks so much for having me on the shows.

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<v Speaker 2>So Project twenty twenty five came to our attention via

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<v Speaker 2>Valerie Huber. So Valerie Huber used to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration. She worked in the Health and Human Services Department,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were quite interested in what she was doing

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<v Speaker 2>because she had initiated during her time in the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration this initiative, an anti abortion initiative called the Geneva

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<v Speaker 2>Consensus Declaration in twenty twenty So we were following her

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<v Speaker 2>and that because this project was interesting for us because

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<v Speaker 2>it brought together about thirty six countries to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>stand together and make a statement that was anti abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>So as an organization that really cares about access to

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive health, sexual rights, and abortion in particular, we really

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to pay attention. So that's how it first came

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<v Speaker 2>across our sitelines.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Project twenty twenty five is probably one of

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<v Speaker 1>the scariest documents that I think in a long time

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<v Speaker 1>that have been created. A nine hundred page policy agenda

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially reimagine America, reimagine what we understand and as

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<v Speaker 1>our democratic values and norms, taking on everything from the environment,

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<v Speaker 1>to reproductive health, to public education, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>What your organization has seen is that this pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five have been tested, are being tested,

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<v Speaker 1>have been rolled out globally. Talk to us about that

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<v Speaker 1>where and where you have seen it and what information

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<v Speaker 1>it can provide for us as we are now less

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<v Speaker 1>than one hundred days away from the election.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, the starting point, and I think for this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>the ending point really is the Geneva Consensus Declaration and

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<v Speaker 2>then Valories Huber's work to implement it. So give a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more detail. Launched in the waning days of

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration, twenty twenty not enforceable, it's pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>just a piece of paper and acts as a manifesto,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's being used by the signatory countries to really

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<v Speaker 2>sort of data position against abortion, against diverse families, and

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<v Speaker 2>for national sovereignty. So a lot of these elements are

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<v Speaker 2>also a part of Project twenty twenty five. Moreover, the

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<v Speaker 2>link is very clear between Project twenty twenty five and

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<v Speaker 2>Geneva Consensus Declaration and then this project that Valerie Huber

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<v Speaker 2>has started as part of her new work since leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the previous administration. So she opened up this new shop.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Institute for Women's Health, and within that

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<v Speaker 2>she designed what she's calling a women's health project to

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<v Speaker 2>attend to women and family and their holistic health. So

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<v Speaker 2>these are all very nice words, but it's really absent

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<v Speaker 2>any detail about what it includes. But she has said

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<v Speaker 2>that Protago, and that's the name of this project, is

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<v Speaker 2>the implementing sort of element for the Geneva Consensus declaration.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of details here, but just to

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<v Speaker 2>step back, Geneva Consensus Declaration also makes several cameos in

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<v Speaker 2>Project twenty twenty five and so in what we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do and really sort of understand how it sits

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<v Speaker 2>in this Project twenty twenty five, And as you were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>and how we have identified is that the pieces are

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<v Speaker 2>ready being put in place. If the protagoes to be

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<v Speaker 2>the implementing instrument for the Geneva Consensus declaration, well they've

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<v Speaker 2>already started and they've started it in two countries, Guatemala

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<v Speaker 2>and Uganda.

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<v Speaker 1>So talk to us about the Geneva consensus. Unpack it

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<v Speaker 1>for us. What are the elements that we see in

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five, and why, in your opinion do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that it is dangerous and something to be

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<v Speaker 1>of note in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>So unpacking it, it's a very short document, it's one page,

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<v Speaker 2>the Geneva Consensus Declaration, and it has a set of

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<v Speaker 2>four pillars which I mentioned, our family, anti abortion, and

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<v Speaker 2>national sovereignty. The reason that this, you know, creates concern

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<v Speaker 2>for US is that obviously, you know, abortion access is

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<v Speaker 2>something that we believe firmly you should be available to

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<v Speaker 2>all people, and this is setting it up as something

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that they're explicitly going after. So the lands

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<v Speaker 2>in Project twenty twenty five is that they say that

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<v Speaker 2>US foreign policy should align with sort of the pillars

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<v Speaker 2>of the Geneva Consensus Declaration, so saying, okay, when we

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<v Speaker 2>make foreign policy decisions and specifically around overseas development aid,

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<v Speaker 2>and also thinking about how do we fund multilateral institutions

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<v Speaker 2>like the United Nations, like the sort of the technical

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<v Speaker 2>bodies like UNFPA, unisef UNESCO. As we look at these

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<v Speaker 2>entities or foreign policy, we have to look at it

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<v Speaker 2>through the lens of the Geneva Consensus Declaration. That is

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<v Speaker 2>very clear in Project twenty twenty five. So again, what

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<v Speaker 2>are these pillars. Is this idea of national sovereignty, the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of anti abortion, the idea of a heteronormative family.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all things that are contained within the Geneva

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<v Speaker 2>Consensus declaration. And they're saying this should be the guiding

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<v Speaker 2>post for our foreign policy and what it does, especially

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<v Speaker 2>around the issue of national sovereignty. And we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy, is it setting up human rights versus national sovereignty.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're saying sovereignty takes precedent over international human rights,

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<v Speaker 2>and human rights that we do believe in are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that are listed here in this one page document.

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<v Speaker 2>But also we can refer back to the previous administration

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<v Speaker 2>who put together this Commission on Unalienable Rights. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you remember that from back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>where again they put together this commission to look and

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<v Speaker 2>review US priorities around human rights and sort of land

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<v Speaker 2>on what are the priority of human rights, which in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself contravenes internetia. Human rights Human rights are

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<v Speaker 2>holistic right. You don't privilege one human right over now

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't privilege religion over reproductive rights. Like everything

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<v Speaker 2>has to be examined and continuum. So again there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of detail, but I think it's important to note

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<v Speaker 2>how all of these different angles are coming together with

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<v Speaker 2>a really clear idea of how they're going to address multilateralism,

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<v Speaker 2>overseas development aid, and women's rights in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>So, for instance, you would look at a country, if

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<v Speaker 1>we're living in a Trump two point zero administration, you

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<v Speaker 1>would potentially look at whether or not you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be providing aid, providing resources, which we know that the

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<v Speaker 1>United States does to foreign nations based on whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they have access to abortion, based on whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they recognize LGBTQ people as you know people. So if,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, let's just start there, these two things are

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<v Speaker 1>present in the country that is seeking aid right or

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<v Speaker 1>seeking assistance, then in the eyes of a Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>two point zero, you would be denied across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not sure it necessarily works that way. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a little bit in the reverse. So US

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<v Speaker 2>money can't go to fund those pieces. So we have

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<v Speaker 2>the global Gag rule for example, right, So this is

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<v Speaker 2>the implementing policy to restrict funding for overseas development aid

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<v Speaker 2>as it relates to abortion. So the threat, as it

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<v Speaker 2>were from Project twenty twenty five, is that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to cut off funding for projects that support these issues.

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<v Speaker 1>What would the damage be in doing that? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>walk us through what a possible scenario would be and

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<v Speaker 1>how that would be damaging to said country.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know, for example, the Global Gag Rule, which

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<v Speaker 2>is this policy piece that gets shelved around with each

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<v Speaker 2>new administration, Democratic Republicans, right, so Democrats get rid of it,

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans reinstated. So we know from previous administrations that when

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<v Speaker 2>the Global Gag Rule is implemented, it cuts off aid

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<v Speaker 2>from certain technical organizations that are providing health services, and

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<v Speaker 2>they cut it off on the grounds that are not

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<v Speaker 2>even on the ground saying that like if you even

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<v Speaker 2>say the word abortion, so even talking about abortion is

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<v Speaker 2>something that will eliminate you from getting funding. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>something that we can anticipate in the future. And we

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<v Speaker 2>also know there's been many studies because this policy has

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<v Speaker 2>been around since Reagan, the harms that happen once the

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<v Speaker 2>Global Gag Rule is reinstated, so you lose funding, unwanted

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<v Speaker 2>pregnancies increase, and so you know the whole host of

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<v Speaker 2>bad effects that happen when you start defunding health organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we can anticipate. And also we know

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<v Speaker 2>that looking at Project twenty twenty five, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>expanded global gagrill. They want to go even further.

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<v Speaker 1>When we're looking and examining Project twenty twenty five and

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<v Speaker 1>we see the dangers that this could potentially cause women

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<v Speaker 1>and people with uteruses in this country. And you said

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<v Speaker 1>currently in Guatemala and remind me of the other country, Uganda, Uganda.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you talk to us about what is happening in

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<v Speaker 1>Guatemala and Uganda and things that we should be paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention to, because oftentimes here in the United States we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really pay attention to those two countries in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean in general, we're very American centric in

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<v Speaker 1>our news coverage. So tell us what are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that have been happening in those two countries

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<v Speaker 1>and where do you see possible similarities into how these

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<v Speaker 1>policies could be rolled out in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>So Valerie Huber, when she launched the for Women's Health,

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<v Speaker 2>she started this protago project, and during her time during

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<v Speaker 2>the previous administration, she had fostered really good relationships with

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<v Speaker 2>the previous president of Guatemala, jama Te. They had cultivated

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<v Speaker 2>this friendship relationship. A couple of years ago, jama Te

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<v Speaker 2>had a big ceremony where he declared Guatemala the pro

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<v Speaker 2>life capital of the Americas. Valeri Huver flew over there,

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<v Speaker 2>she celebrated that event. So they go way back anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>She starts this parteco project, which is again ostensibly to

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<v Speaker 2>attend to women's holistic health, and she piloted in Guatemala.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a partnership that is done with the

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<v Speaker 2>Guatemalan government. So again, mind you, we don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of details about what is included. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we do know is Valeriy Huber's background. We know her

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<v Speaker 2>background when she was in the previous administration. We also

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<v Speaker 2>know when she worked at the state level in Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>where she's from, and she has always led on abstinence

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<v Speaker 2>only as sort of the driver for sexuality education. So

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<v Speaker 2>we know that. We know she led on Giva Consensus

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<v Speaker 2>declaration anti abortion, so we can fairly with some certain

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<v Speaker 2>de assume that protago will include those elements. So what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is they piloted in Guatemala, and if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at her materials, and this is quite interesting and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of circumvents normal protocols about how health projects are implemented,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when support from outside of the country is she said,

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<v Speaker 2>the way do we do it six steps. The first

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<v Speaker 2>step is to get buy in from the executive, from

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<v Speaker 2>the president. Now, I've never heard of a health project

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<v Speaker 2>that runs through a president. That's just simply unheard of.

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<v Speaker 2>And so again it really suggests that there is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a political element to what should be a health project.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, and she said, we have to have

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<v Speaker 2>buy in. She did the same thing in Uganda. She traveled,

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<v Speaker 2>she met the first lady, Janet mu seventy, same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They build up a partnership and then what's unclear is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of what are the financial implications of this. What

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<v Speaker 2>we also do know in both those countries is that

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<v Speaker 2>high rates of sexual violence exist. Teen pregnancy is also

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. And so what we know is we have

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<v Speaker 2>and this kind of ties into the multilateralism piece, is

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<v Speaker 2>we have un organizations, technical bodies like UNESCO and UNICEF

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<v Speaker 2>who partner with the government to do projects health projects

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<v Speaker 2>that are grounded in science, that are grounded in research. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, we know comprehensive sexuality education is proven to

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<v Speaker 2>attend to, you know, educating youth and children about empowerment

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<v Speaker 2>about prevention. This suggested if she's coming in she valued

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<v Speaker 2>Hubert Institute for Women's Health. What happens to the previous

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<v Speaker 2>partnership that the country has set up with these un

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<v Speaker 2>bodies and then sort of looking bigger with Project twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. What happens if in a future administration funding

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<v Speaker 2>is cut off for these entities. So we know that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen. That's very clear in Project twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know what happened from the previous administration when,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, during the pandemic they pulled funding from the

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<v Speaker 2>World Health Organization, the pre eminent body that would you know,

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<v Speaker 2>support global health. So again we had there is a

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<v Speaker 2>pattern that has played out which Project twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>is picking up and it's also it's amplifying it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so those to us are our reasons for concern it

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<v Speaker 2>and for being alert.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so fascinating, right because as you're talking, I think

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<v Speaker 1>back to COVID in the United States, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>back to the way that the Trump administration politicized public

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<v Speaker 1>health and now, when we think about public health, even

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<v Speaker 1>for those of us who understand the importance of public health,

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<v Speaker 1>we see it through a very political lens because of

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<v Speaker 1>how it was weaponized. And so when you hear things

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<v Speaker 1>like women's holistic treatment, right, it's all of the right

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<v Speaker 1>buzzwords in the right order, but has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with actual health.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when we talk, I guess, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that we regain the messaging or the understanding around

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<v Speaker 1>public health where it needs to be moved outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the arena of politics and back into the arena of

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<v Speaker 1>medicine and health.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not sure how to answer it, just

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<v Speaker 2>because given you know what you're saying in COVID, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you had all the experts, you had all the evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and then these crack pops show up and they tug

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<v Speaker 2>on people's emotions, they tug on people's fears, and so again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one can write all the reports, get them

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<v Speaker 2>peer reviewed, have them in you know, leading journals, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to not make a difference. So you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what the answer is, but I do know

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<v Speaker 2>that what the harm is. And so, you know, replacing

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<v Speaker 2>science and evidence with you know, ideology right, yeah, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's that's the zone that we're going into.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I mean, I think this has been said

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<v Speaker 2>many times Visa v Project twenty twenty five, but really

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a handbook for a certain person, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It privileges the rights of a certain person. It's generally white,

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<v Speaker 2>it's generally a man, and it's generally someone of the

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<v Speaker 2>Christian faith. And so you know, all of this is

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<v Speaker 2>so alienating to everybody else who happens to populate the world,

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<v Speaker 2>that happens to populate the United States. So yeah, what

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<v Speaker 2>would you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say then needs to be the alone arm that goes

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<v Speaker 1>off that people truly understand, because I think that in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, right with the overturning of Roe v. Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the first time in said fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years where women and people with uteruses understood that the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility that a right could be taken away, that bodily

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<v Speaker 1>autonomy could be taken away, that now you have young

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<v Speaker 1>girls who have less rights and less autonomy than their

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<v Speaker 1>parents and their grandparents did. And so you know, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes the loss of something so major like Roe v.

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<v Speaker 1>Wade in order to awaken the masses to what the

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<v Speaker 1>larger agenda is. And so when you see that these

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<v Speaker 1>things are readily being accepted and unfolding globally, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the alarm that should go off for people

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States as they look abroad for either

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<v Speaker 1>a guidance or in fear of what could possibly be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think all of these pieces are

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<v Speaker 2>a bit abstract to most people, you know, even the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the fall of Row was something that came

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<v Speaker 2>to a shock to a lot of people. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, there's certainly you know, folks like

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves who are watching this and it wasn't such a surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, you know, talking about the export of hate,

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<v Speaker 2>the export of anti feminism that is all embedded in

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<v Speaker 2>this Project twenty twenty five. I mean, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>how to realise alarm. I think I would maybe invert

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<v Speaker 2>the question and say, how can we alert our partners

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<v Speaker 2>overseas that this is what's coming down the pipeline. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's where we can sort of, you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>the right attention and sort of this this again in

0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.320
<v Speaker 2>previous administrations, we know how this plays out, and Project

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five is promising that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot worse. You know, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>tur road charge. And so what are the pieces? The

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<v Speaker 2>pieces are funding for Multila, the United Nations. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>already the UN is an all liquidity crisis, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>recently there's literally like shutting the lights out early to

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<v Speaker 2>save money. I mean, it's bad. And the US is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest contributors to the UN, if not

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<v Speaker 2>the big guess so what happens to that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and not to say that like, you know, the UN

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<v Speaker 2>is the end all on the b all. It's very problematic,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's what we got and it's what we're working with.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that goes away, what are the dangers and

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to come in and sort of save us?

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<v Speaker 2>So in the previous administration, when the Global Gag Rule

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<v Speaker 2>was introduced, immediately there was a lot of global solidarity.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of you know, northern countries who supply you know,

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<v Speaker 2>development aid came and said, okay, so the funding loss

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen from this Global Gag rule, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to make it up and we're going to set

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<v Speaker 2>up I don't think that's going to happen this time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you start at the beginning of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the global shift to the right, the elections

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<v Speaker 2>in the European Parliament, you know, the elections at the

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<v Speaker 2>national level in Europe's all of that is changing the

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic that we counted on in twenty sixteen. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's another red flag, if you will coming down

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<v Speaker 2>the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Jillian, I really appreciate you coming on and providing these

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<v Speaker 1>insights and kind of raising the alarm globally at a

0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 1>time when we're very much focused domestically. Tell folks how

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<v Speaker 1>they can learn more about IPASS, you know, get involved,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I say, plug into our website ipass dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lot of information and ways to get

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.680
<v Speaker 2>in touch with us, and we have a dedicated page

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<v Speaker 2>of research that addresses the questions around Project twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five and Protego and ye feel free to email us too.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for making the time for woke.

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<v Speaker 1>If really appreciate you. That is it for me today,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear friends on wokf as always power to the people

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<v Speaker 1>and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay

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<v Speaker 1>woke as fuck,