1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to ste Gotsen Company Live podcast. Be 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday from three to 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: five pm Eastern noon to two pm Pacific on Fox 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Find your local station for stutg Gotsen Company 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Live at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: If you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: We sit down here on a Friday. Is real good. 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: He heres, And I've been doing a lot of thinking 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: about Luka Dankic. About did I say his name wrong? 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: You haven't been thinking about how to pronounce his name. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't care about how you pronounce his name. About 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: bordop Ricardo, I've been thinking about him. I have not 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: been thinking about people walking around town more emboldened than ever, 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: been thinking about a lot. I've been thinking about Larry Bird. 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Keith O'Brien, who is a great author, wrote a book 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: about Larry Bird, and he is going to join us 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: coming up in about fifteen minutes. 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: How fortunate you've been thinking about Larry Brown and Boom 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: and author shows though well, Larry Bird, Sorry Larry Bird, Yes, 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: sorry Brown, Larry Bird over Larry Brown. I have been 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: actually I been talking about the two thousand and four 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: Olympics recently. Really yeah, it's a recapping of that horror show. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: I also have a shameful admission to make after Keith O'Brien, 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: we have the the top one hundred and ninety nine 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks excuse me, of all time. According to the Bleacher Report, 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: we left off at thirty. Was it thirty yesterday? 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: I think we're into the top twenty really yeah? 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: Wow, twenty nine today? I think twenty nine through twenty today. Yes, 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: so we left off at thirty. 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 4: Like I said, I thought we left off at twenty. 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I was wrung, my bad stud. I am going to 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: go around the room here and quickly ask you guys 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: a question. Taylor, I'll start with you. Do you think 35 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: that Luca is ever going to win an NBA Championship? 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 5: No? 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 6: And I think we're further away than ever before. 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Okay, mikey A, what does that mean? 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 6: Well, he yes, well we're getting further away. 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: Oka. 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: Yes, By the way, we did stop at twenty. 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Thank you? Oh really we did. 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, you were right on that. 44 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Mikey, it's your list right. 45 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 6: The Bleacher Report. 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to mikey A here mikey A. Will 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Luca Ever win an NBA title? He will get a ring? Yes? 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Will he actually win the title? No, Let's go to 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: bardop Riccardo bardop Riccardo. Will Luca Ever win an NBA championship? 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: At this point it does not seem like it. Okay, 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: at this point I'm asking you to be definitive here 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: for the rest of time. Will he Ever win an 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: NBA Championship? No? Okay, Let's go to Iowa, Sam. Before 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: we get to Izzy, Iowa Sam. Will Luca Ever win 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: an NBA title? 56 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: Always say Iowa before Israel? 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: Yes, well, yes, wow the rare Yes, is Dan Bayer 58 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: there today, Dan Bayer? Will Luca Ever win an NBA Championship? 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Yes he will? Yes, Producer Jason, will Luca Ever win 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: an NBA Championship? Yes, I'm gonna say yes. I don't 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: even know you were there, Israel, Goody Airez. Will Luca 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: Ever win an NBA Championship? Yes? 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 4: Yes, okay, but not with Lebron James. 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Clearly yes, I say no, Not with Lebron James, not 65 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: with anybody that guy. I am so tired. I know 66 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: how talented he is. I know he has the game offensively. 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I am tired every off season of Luca on the 68 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: cover of Men's Health magazine telling everyone he's in the 69 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: greatest shape of his life. He's a one way player. 70 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: His teammates do not respect him. He is not a 71 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: great leader. He doesn't play defense, he doesn't hustle, he 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: doesn't do all the small, tiny little things in tangibles. 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: One might say he doesn't do them well enough to 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: lead his team. To be the best player on a 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: team that wins an NBA championship. Luca will never win 76 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: an NBA title, period. End of discussion. I don't care 77 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: what anyone else says. How about that? Huh? 78 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: That is well, that is what a few people say. 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: I think the not win, not playing hard, not playing defense, 80 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: not getting the respect of your teammates. I think that's 81 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: the part that is becoming a little bit more obvious 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: now right, Like it's one thing too, uh man. I 83 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: think I heard minol hasen somebody told the story about 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: Luka danc It's just saying the most terrible things to 85 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: Rick Carlyle when he was a rookie playing for Rick Carlile, 86 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: telling him to shut up, and it's just like, Okay. 87 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 4: This guy wants to show off his skills. 88 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: I don't think he cares about the NBA that much. 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: I think he cares about basketball. I think he wants 90 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: to win something for Slovenia. I think he wants to 91 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: show off. Yeah, I think he does want to be 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: holding trophies every time he plays because he wants to win. 93 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: But does he care about the NBA as if it's 94 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 3: the end all bl I have to win seven rings 95 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: and be one better than Michael Jordan. 96 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: No, are we going to apologize Taniko? I mean, listen, 97 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: it was not a great trade, but I think he 98 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall. He was around him 99 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: enough to say, hey, you know what, this guy is 100 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: never going to lead this organization to an NBA championship. 101 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: So I'm going to trade him to the Lakers get 102 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, who's always hurt. But I am going to 103 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: hold out hope that we get the number one pick 104 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: of the draft and we get Cooper Flagg. 105 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: And he did. 106 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it worked out. 107 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 4: To Bridge too far. 108 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: You were doing great, you had a great NBA take, 109 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: You had a Luca like put that one in the 110 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: files and just like hold on to it because if 111 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: he never wins a champion. Stu got said it first. Yeah, 112 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: but then you went little too far out there with 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: apologizing to Nico. Because it's one thing to trade Luka 114 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 3: Doncic to be ahead of the game and say this 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: guy's never gonna get fit. It's another thing to break 116 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: him for a shattering piece, to trade them for a 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: shattering piece of glass. 118 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: I merely asked a question I wasn't saying. I said, 119 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: should we apologize to Nako? I was asking Okay, well, 120 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: terrible question. But I'm still the first to say that 121 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: Luca will never win an NBA title because his teammates 122 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: don't respect him. 123 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: Yes, Taylor, I was so confused when we were coming 124 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 5: in here today because Stu was like, I'm gonna rip 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 5: Luka doncict. So I look up the score from the 126 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 5: Lakers game yesterday. The Lakers lose to the Phoenix Suns. 127 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 5: Luca played thirty nine minutes, he scored forty one points, 128 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: and he was one of the few players on the 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 5: Lakers that was a plus nine. But Stu has locked 130 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 5: his eyes on Luca to be like lucas the reason 131 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 5: why they were losing. 132 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: Well, Taylor, do me a favorite look on that same 133 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: box score and tell me how many points did the 134 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: Lakers have and then how many points did the Suns have? 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: Right? 136 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 5: Yep, go ahead, Yeah, it's like DeAndre Ayton was as four. 137 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 5: Maybe we should direct some of this attention at DeAndre Ayton. 138 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 6: We'll figure out why he was so well. 139 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: No, because I don't have the expectations for DeAndre Ayton 140 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: that I have for Luca. Okay, I know, listen, Ayton 141 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: was the number one pick in the draft, I believe, 142 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: and perhaps the expectations should be higher for him. But 143 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: I don't have those expectations for Aton. I do have 144 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: him for Luca, I'm terrified of his last nit. 145 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you said that. That's a bit of 146 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: a jump scare. Every time you say his last day, 147 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: I think you're gonna say something totally different. But I'm 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: so glad you said that about expectations, because Luca, you know, 149 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: say what you will. You could be right, and I 150 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: could be right. He doesn't really care about the NBA, 151 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: maybe doesn't even win a championship. It doesn't bother him. 152 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: But the other guy that he's playing next to. When 153 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: we're talking about legacy, Lebron James was supposed to sort 154 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: of close the deal when he got to La right, 155 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: it was supposed to be Okay, let's get him won two, 156 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: maybe even three more championships and this guy will be 157 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: right there with Michael. And then he did the bubble thing, 158 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: which again right now most people are gonna argue, is 159 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: somehow Anthony Dervis Davis turned into a lethal shooter out there. Yeah, 160 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: and that's why they won a championship. Also, bam out 161 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: of bio Gordon dragg It's a little hurt in that 162 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: final series if. 163 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: You mix up Anthony Davis and Anthony Darvish, You Darvish? 164 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Did I say, Anthony Darvish? You were headed towards Anthony Darvish. Wow? 165 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: Nowhere in my brain is there like a floating you Darvish. 166 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure why that came out that way. 167 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: But if you remember after the twenty twenty final, what 168 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: did Lebron say, Actually, what did Lebron say? 169 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: Dude? I have no idea that I mean? He said, 170 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: once you win the title, I don't care what you 171 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: say afterwards. 172 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: Well, some people say cool stuff like anything is possible, 173 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 3: but Lebron James said, I want my damn respect to right. 174 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: He said, uh, and that was twenty twenty. Yes, hasn't 175 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: done a damn thing since then. I hasn't done anything 176 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: since then. And I'm saying to myself, like, the Lakers 177 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 3: ruined this, I want to say, for him, not that 178 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: they were there too, you know, actually right, Lebron's ending 179 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: you know, legacy or whatever, but they ruined this for him. 180 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: And the DeAndre Ayton thing is just a classic example 181 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: of that. He was overheard yelling in the showers the 182 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,359 Speaker 3: other day in the locker room, according to Dave mcmanhamon, 183 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: they're trying to turn me into Clint Capella, which is first. 184 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: Of all, ridiculous thing to say. 185 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: Clint Coppella. I mean, led the league in rebounding one year, 186 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: is like sixth in Defensive Player of the Year voting 187 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: one year. Like it's very good player, right, he'd be 188 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: lucky to be Capella. Well not really, I mean DeAndre 189 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: aiden bet you didn't know this average a double double 190 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: every year of his career so far. 191 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: So he's he's he's what, Yes. 192 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: He's serviceable, but he's not like a winning player, even 193 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: though he did get to the finals with Chris Paul 194 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: and them. 195 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: You say, Lebron accomplished nothing since twenty twenty. And I 196 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: will counter with this, he got his son to the NBA. There, 197 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: he got him a start. I mean how about that? 198 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: There you go, no rings, no more rings. 199 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: But did that yes? 200 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: And so you look at the DeAndre eight and signing. 201 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: You look at even pairing him with Luka Doncic, which 202 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: does not that's not about Lebron obviously, that's about getting 203 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: a superstar for post Lebron era, and it is not 204 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: a good pairing. And for the kid in Lebron, who 205 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: you know, grew up in you know, the mean streets 206 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: of America, and like, did it that? 207 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: You know? 208 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: The way people feel. 209 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: Like is the traditional story of NBA racks to riches, 210 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: and then you get team in with this European who 211 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: probably doesn't care that much, like I was saying earlier 212 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: about the NBA, and it's like, okay, they can't possibly 213 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 3: be on the same plane, the same mindset. So it's 214 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: like it's a bad pairing. They're never going to win 215 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: a championship together, at least for Lebron and then with Lebron. 216 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: So you look at it and it's like, after let's 217 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: say next year, is his what ninth year in LA. 218 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: That's almost half of his career and he's got one 219 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: championship in that time and has not come close since then. 220 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: And I'm just like, man, he made a terrible decision 221 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: going to LA because the stuff from Hollywood and everything 222 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: that was available to him that would have been available 223 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: to him no matter where he played basketball breed and 224 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: if he had just focused one thousand percent and said 225 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: I'm getting to six, I'm getting to say if you 226 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: went back to Miami, Miami would have been absolutely hell 227 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 3: bent every single year on putting a championship contender out 228 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: there around him and seeing how many he gets. I 229 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: think he ruined it out in LA by going to 230 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: a franchise that was bigger than him somehow, And it 231 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: wasn't about getting Lebron that title. It was about keeping 232 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: the Lakers relevant, getting that whatever it was, number eighteen 233 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: championship or seventeen, I'm not sure which one it was. 234 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then you just move on to 235 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: the next superstar in Luka Doncic. So I just think 236 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: when it's all said and done, like people are gonna, 237 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: assuming he doesn't find a way to win one next year, 238 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: I think people are gonna think Lebron made a huge 239 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: mistake going to the Lakers. 240 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: I tell her, I understand what you're saying about Luca's 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: box score last night. His line, you know, he had 242 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: a great line offensively, I think if correct me, if 243 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, here is he the Lakers were up big 244 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: in that game and choked it away in the fourth 245 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: quarter because Luca doesn't play defense. 246 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: I actually did not watched the game, so I'm not sure, okay. 247 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: I also am one hundred percent sure that you did 248 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 3: not listen to a word I said. And we're just 249 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to counter Taylor's take about 250 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: the box score with Luca. 251 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: Do you want to say it again? It was very 252 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: long and extensive, so I had a conversation here. We 253 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: have to get to this before Keith O'Brien. Okay, wrote 254 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: a book about Larry Bird. I've been thinking about Larry 255 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: Bird and French Flick Indiana. I have a shameful of 256 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: mission to make in the final segment of this hour. Okay, 257 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: but bored up Ricardo. I was talking to Mark Hawkman 258 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: last night. It's unfortunate what Taylor has done to him 259 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: by calling him bardoup Ricardo, because I was talking to 260 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: Hawk last night, And the reason I discussed these things 261 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: with Hawk is he is the only person I know 262 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: who still cares about radio the way I do, and 263 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: so he is the final ruler on this. And I said, 264 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: once Taylor dubs you, bordop Ricardo, is that your name? 265 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: Radio name for life? For as long as he's associated 266 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: attached to this show, his name has to be bordop Ricardo. 267 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: And I have bad news for bordop Ricardo has a 268 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: top five for us. Hawk said, yes, that is your 269 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: name forever more. Moving forward, bordoup Ricardo, tell you you 270 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: have to be careful here. I mean, you can't put 271 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: so much job title in front of their name. Don't 272 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: do it. 273 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: The problem was the first time I was I mentioned Ricardo. 274 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: If I just said hey, Ricardo said this, everybody in 275 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 5: the audience would have been like, well, we have no 276 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 5: context who Ricardo is. So the first time I said it, 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 5: I said bordop Ricardo because he was sitting next to me, 278 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: he was operating the board, and I was trying to 279 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: clarify to the audience who Ricardo was. 280 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: Now I understand why you did it, I do, But 281 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: now he's stuck. He is saddled with that name for 282 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: the remainder of Todd like God forbid, bordop Ricardo, God forbid. 283 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: Hopefully this happens for him arrives in a place where 284 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: Colin Cowhurt has arrived. Okay, and he's got a massive 285 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: show on all these platforms. The name of the show 286 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: is gonna have to whatever he wants to name it, 287 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: but his name has to be born up Ricardo bo r. 288 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: Do you think Michael Jordan would have been okay with one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 289 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: eight years, even though he was coming down the stretch 290 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 3: of his career eight years and only winning one championship. 291 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: No chance in hell Michael Jordan's okay with that? But 292 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: do you don't know what I'm talking? 293 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: So bornout Riccardo has a has a top five here. 294 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: It is if you know if your parents were both 295 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: dentist and care very much about teeth. It's a list 296 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: that I have done already, But boredot Ricardo thinks he 297 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: has a better list what you would name your child 298 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: if both parents were obsessed with teeth. Okay, it's a 299 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: weird it's a weird list I had. We're teeth goosen, 300 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: so we can't take that So let's do this here 301 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: before we get to Keith O'Brien and I have a 302 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: shameful mission something. Well, I don't want to get too 303 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: into it here, so Bordot Riccardo, let's get to your 304 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: top five list of parents and what they would name 305 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: their children if indeed they were obsessed with teeth. I 306 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: gotta give you credit on teeth, Goosen, that is yeah, 307 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: that's a pool, yes, but I have some honorable mentions. Okay, 308 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: all right, Garrett Colegate. So we're going toothpaste, okay, got it, 309 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: Bucky Dental, Yeah, but very good, didn't even cracked the 310 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: tough and then don Cula. Okay, and we're no, like, 311 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: we have no sound for this, any sound back in 312 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: Sherman Oaks there. I mean, it's bored up, Riccardo. I'm 313 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: just waiting for the the the actual top five. Do 314 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: the little. 315 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: Sound, Ricardo, I'm sorry, bored up. Ricardo confused you because 316 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: he called it HMS instead of O L. I. Yes, 317 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: these are the olies. They got the same fanfare as 318 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: a top five, which. 319 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: Is okay, you want okay, so you want fanfare for everything? 320 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: I got it. Well he's at five. That okay, Here 321 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: we can start there, all right. Number five, bord up 322 00:15:51,440 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: Ricardo Veneer, Baker, Baker post player. Number four George Toothpick shutout, 323 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Dan Byer. What he gave you that one? No, he 324 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: just did a report on him about being franchise tagged. 325 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 4: Can you give me the last o? 326 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: L I again, don Cula? 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 4: Now, can you give me an explanation? 328 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know you chew with your teeth? Oho, he 329 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: got you? 330 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: Well he did because like I was thinking Spanish, because 331 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: you know, Ricardo shocker hispanic like chula means like something 332 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: different than Spanish. 333 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: So I was like, wait, does it have to do 334 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: with teeth? But never mind, I get it now. 335 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: I always did. Bucky Dentis, but you know, I think 336 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: that would have dentures is right there for Bucky Denchers 337 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: was right there for you, man, Richard Dencher's all right, 338 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: thrown away the list. Number three, Go ahead. 339 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 6: Sonny Listerine, you are back. 340 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: Number two bored up Ricardo, Jimmy Flawson, Yes, and number 341 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: one bored up Regardo. 342 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: Number seven in our programs, but number one in our 343 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 5: list Minty Mantle. 344 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gotson Company 345 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: live weekdays at three pm eastern twelve pm Pacific on 346 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 347 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: Keith O'Brien is a New York Times bestselling author. He 348 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: wrote Charlie Hussele. We had him on to discuss that 349 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: Fly Girls. He is one of the great authors we have, 350 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: one of the great sports authors and storytellers that we have. 351 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: And he has a new book app right in time 352 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: for March Madness, Heartland, A Forgotten Place, an Impossible Dream 353 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: and the Miracle of Larry Bird. And Keith O'Brien with 354 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: us right now, Keith, why do you decide to write 355 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: a book about Larry Bird? 356 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 7: You know, I feel like we have been telling the 357 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 7: Larry Birds story the wrong way all these years. You know, 358 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 7: every time someone comes to this story, they end up 359 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 7: doing the bird magic thing, you know, the sing song 360 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 7: narrative of these two icons, who, of course, as we 361 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 7: all know, will meet in that epic championship game in 362 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 7: March nineteen seventy nine. And that's a great story. I 363 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 7: understand why people do it that way, but it's a 364 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 7: little bit disingenuous. For one thing, these guys don't know 365 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 7: each other in nineteen seventy nine, they've met one time, 366 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 7: they're not friends, they're not rivals, they're not anything two. 367 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 7: You know, because of that, you know, magic has had 368 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 7: no influence on Bird's life to that point. You know, 369 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 7: he has been shaped by these unsung heroes in the 370 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 7: shadows of his life at that time, who are main 371 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 7: characters in my book here. And then you know, lastly, 372 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 7: you know, when you do the Bird magic thing, what 373 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 7: ends up happening is you dilute and water down both 374 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 7: men's story. And you know, Bird's story in particular, I 375 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 7: believe is one of the great underdog stories of the 376 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 7: past fifty years. And for that reason, you know, I 377 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 7: wanted to sort of tilt the camera in a different 378 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 7: direction and tell this familiar story in a different way 379 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 7: with new and fresh reporting. 380 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: What makes him such a unique underdog? Is it the 381 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: upbringing where he was from, all the obstacles that he 382 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: was fighting against internally with himself? What were some of 383 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: the characteristics that made Larry Byrd really an impossible underdog 384 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: to turn out to be one of the greatest players 385 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: we've ever seen in played basketball? Right? 386 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 7: I mean, you guys know the story, and so do 387 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 7: you know your listeners and viewers. Obviously, Bird is from 388 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 7: french Lick, Indiana. That's a really small town. And I 389 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 7: urge everyone look look at it on the map. There 390 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 7: is no play, no way to get to French Lick 391 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 7: today in twenty twenty six, there's no straight route into 392 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 7: French Lick today. Fifty years ago it was. It was 393 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 7: really off the basketball map. The second thing is, you 394 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 7: know a lot of people will know the vague outlines 395 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 7: of Bird's story in that you know, he was initially 396 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 7: recruited to play for Bobby Knight in Indiana and then leaves, 397 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 7: and you know, you hear that, you think, well, Bird 398 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 7: must have been a huge deal, a huge star, and 399 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 7: that's just not true. You know, he barely makes the 400 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 7: Indiana High School All Stars team in nineteen seventy four. 401 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 7: When he does, he hardly plays. He is not considered 402 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 7: a first team All State player in Indiana in nineteen 403 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 7: seventy four. There's allegedly fifteen players who are better than him. 404 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 7: And when he drops out of Indiana, as we know, 405 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 7: and returns to French Lick, he really does disappear. You know, 406 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 7: no one's writing stories about him, No one is you know, 407 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 7: shining this big spotlight on him. He is full, he 408 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 7: is fully gone, and in that winter I call it 409 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 7: the Winter of his Discontent. He is, you know, playing 410 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 7: essentially men's league basketball, glorified pick up basketball, and what 411 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 7: was known as the Industrial League in Indiana. And in 412 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 7: that time they can't even spell his name right in 413 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 7: the newspapers. I mean, that's who he is. And so 414 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 7: to go from there to what we know will happen 415 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 7: is a stunning thing. 416 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: It really is. I have driven through french Lick, Indiana. 417 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: I have. It took me a couple of minutes now, Mikey. 418 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: I did it on my college lacrosse tour, and I 419 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: am telling you, first off, it is cold, it is snowy, 420 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: it is I didn't see the sun. There is a 421 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: basketball hoop in every single driveway that you drive past 422 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: in french Lick. But the idea of one of America's 423 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: greatest athletes and one of the best basketball players we've 424 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: ever seen coming from that town is so improbable, Keith. 425 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 7: It absolutely is. And you're right, I mean basketball is 426 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 7: fully ingrained in the culture in french Lick and every 427 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 7: other small town in Indiana that hasn't changed. 428 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 5: You know. 429 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 7: In the reporting of the book, I spent a lot 430 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 7: of time in Indiana A lot of time in rural Indiana. 431 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 7: You know, I went to some of these high school 432 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 7: basketball games just at times, just for fun at night, 433 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 7: because there was nothing else to do. And it is 434 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 7: it is still, you know, part and parcel of the 435 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 7: culture there, and and Larry Bird was was born out 436 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 7: of that culture. 437 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: Keith. 438 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 5: When when Larry Bird drops out of Indiana, how close 439 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 5: did we come to not even getting this story of 440 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: coaches finding him and then him finding a different program. 441 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 7: I think the chances were more likely than not that 442 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 7: Larry disappeared forever after he left Indiana. Wow, he returns 443 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 7: to French Lick, he hitchhikes home. Well, of course he is, 444 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 7: and yes, briefly, briefly goes to a vocational school and 445 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 7: plays basketball there. Not a community college, you know, not 446 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 7: a juco you know, factory, a vocational school. He drops 447 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 7: out there. You know, he's then, as I said, a 448 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 7: moment ago, playing in this men's league. And he's telling 449 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 7: his mother anytime a recruiter shows up to send them away, 450 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 7: and she's doing that, slamming the doors and people's faces literally. 451 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 7: And what really it takes to pull Larry Bird away 452 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 7: from the brink is a man named Bill Hodges. Bill 453 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 7: Hodges is an assistant coach at Indiana State in Terre Haute, Indiana. 454 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 7: Indiana State is basically teetering on the edge of banishment 455 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 7: to Division two. They can't draw any fans to their games. 456 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 7: There are larger crowds at high school games in nineteen 457 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 7: seventy four seventy five than there are at Indiana State games. 458 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 7: And Bill Hodges is sort of a journeyman, down on 459 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 7: his luck a bit, and you know, he decides to 460 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 7: take a big swing and drive down to French Lake 461 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 7: for the day. Try to find Larry Bird. And you know, 462 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 7: Bill's a lot like Larry. He's Indiana and born, small town, 463 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 7: rural community. He came from poverty, the edge of poverty himself. 464 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 7: And those two men connect, and that is really what 465 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 7: pulls Bird back from the brink. 466 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: Was Bird insecure? Did he not think he was talented 467 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: enough to make it? As far as he made it? 468 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 7: Bird was absolutely not insecure. Wo You know, one thing 469 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 7: that is consistent over the years is Bird had full 470 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 7: confidence in his ability. He had it, you know in 471 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 7: nineteen seventy three and seventy four when he was in 472 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 7: high school, he had it when he went to Indiana 473 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 7: and came home, you know, he knew he was great. 474 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 7: And while he wasn't a trash talker in those days, 475 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 7: he didn't mind stating his confidence out loud, at least 476 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 7: to close friends. But you know, this was a time 477 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 7: when a poor kid, black or white, you know, in 478 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 7: in sports, in high school, you know, didn't have an 479 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 7: entourage around him, you know, didn't have you know, handlers, 480 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 7: you know, who were making things work. And that was 481 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 7: especially true for Larry And so when he returns home 482 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 7: to French Lick, I mean, you know he is he is, 483 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 7: you know, cast his lot, you know, and and and 484 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 7: that's how close it comes to him slipping away forever. 485 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: So if the Indiana State assist it never makes that drive, 486 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: never looks around town for Larry Bird because he didn't 487 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: want to be bothered. His mom is telling everyone to 488 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: get the hell out of their house. He's done playing basketball, 489 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: He's playing an industrial league. If that guy never makes 490 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: that drive, Larry Bird is still living. He's living that 491 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: life right now. Correct. 492 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 7: I think it's very likely that if Bill Hodges doesn't 493 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 7: make that drive down to French Lick and doesn't then 494 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 7: pursue Bird because even after he finds him, Bird won't 495 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 7: listen right away. Right that Bird could have ended up 496 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 7: just like his father, you know, working at the Kimball 497 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 7: piano plant in French Lick or the cabinet factory over 498 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 7: in Jasper. 499 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you Eventually he convinced Bird to go 500 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: back to college and play basketball. 501 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 7: It's a stunning scene. It's part of the book. It's 502 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 7: it's one of the most cinematic scenes. 503 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: Frankly. 504 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: You know, Bill. 505 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 7: Hodges, you know, goes to Georgia Bird's house that day. 506 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 7: She slams the door in his face. He could have 507 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 7: turned around and gone back to Terre Haute right then, 508 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 7: but you know, it's he's made a two and a 509 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 7: half hour drive. You know, he's committed, and as he says, 510 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 7: there can't be too many six foot nine blonde guys 511 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 7: in this town. And he just drives around and he 512 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 7: finds Bird outside a laundromat on the boulevard, and you know, 513 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 7: in in Bird's grandmother's house. Later that afternoon, we'll have 514 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 7: a conversation with Burt and Bird again wants nothing to 515 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 7: do with college. He's actually trying to tell Hodges he 516 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 7: should recruit other guys who were there in French lick 517 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 7: and Bert mentions one of these guys and you know says, 518 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 7: you know, if he'd gone to college, everybody would know 519 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 7: his name. And Hodge's you know, season opening. He looks 520 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 7: at Burtany says, you know, Larry, someday they're going to 521 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 7: say the same thing about you. 522 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: Wow, go ahead, Telly. 523 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 6: This the Indiana State team. 524 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 5: It feels like they were built with that in mind, 525 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 5: like it's just gonna be a team full of underdogs. 526 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 5: But I'm wondering, in your opinion, can the seventy eight 527 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 5: to seventy nine season happen in today's college basketball? Or 528 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 5: are the Dukes and the Kentucky's just buying the best 529 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 5: players from this team? 530 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 7: The chances of a nineteen seventy nine Indiana State miracle 531 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 7: team happening, a team that goes thirty three and ohero 532 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 7: out of nowhere in steamrolls all the way to the 533 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 7: final game and becomes this Cinderella story that captures the 534 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 7: imagination of America. I think it is increasingly less likely 535 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 7: every single day now. Could it happen in March Madi 536 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 7: this year? Sure, we know it's a tournament known for 537 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 7: its unpredictability and for its upsets. But listen, in the 538 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 7: in the age of name, image and likeness money, Larry 539 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 7: Bird would not have likely stayed at Indiana State. You know, 540 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 7: of course, he gets recruited there by Bill Hodges and 541 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 7: he comes, and that can still happen today. A coach 542 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 7: can still find a diamond in the rough and convince 543 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 7: him or her to go play at a small program. 544 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 7: But once that player gets there and shows that he 545 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 7: or she can ball out, right, Yeah, now they can 546 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 7: sign for three million dollars or two million dollars, and frankly, 547 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 7: a player like Larry Bird today would get Cooper Flag 548 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 7: or Caitlin Clark money. We're talking about four or five 549 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 7: million dollars to play one single season. And you know, 550 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 7: just to put it in perspective for you, Indiana State 551 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 7: these days has about three hundred thousand dollars in nil money. 552 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 7: Three hundred thousand. 553 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: It's a pittance. 554 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 7: So you know, you can find that player, But to 555 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 7: keep that player and then to go on this kind 556 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 7: of run, I think, sadly is increasingly less likely. 557 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Can you speak to just how bad that team was 558 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: the fact that they convinced Larry Bird to come back, 559 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: come back, come black, come back and play college back. 560 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: I just made a tailor mistake. Come back and play 561 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: college basketball at a school like Indiana State with a 562 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: team that was so terrible when he got there. Can 563 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: you tell the audience just how bad that university was 564 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: and how bad that team was. 565 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 7: So Indiana State was not in a conference at the time, 566 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 7: they were an independence. They had been entrenched in mediocrity 567 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 7: for years. Couldn't couldn't draw to three thousand fans to 568 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 7: their games, you know, And as I said, they were 569 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 7: teetering on the brink of being banished to Division two. 570 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 4: You know. 571 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 7: But in some ways, you know, Bird connects with Indiana 572 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 7: State for the same reason he connects with Bill Hodges. 573 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 7: You know, Indiana State was a commuter school. It was 574 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 7: a school where a lot of kids win who were 575 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 7: going to become the first in their family to ever 576 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 7: graduate from in college. It was predominantly, you know, working 577 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 7: to middle class school of kids, and and that that 578 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 7: was who Larry Bird was. 579 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: So it was a better fit for Larry. That's interesting, huh. 580 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: It was just a better fit that school for Larry 581 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: for his personality. Huh. 582 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 7: It was all a better fit all the way around. 583 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 7: And and really, you know, that's why he that's why 584 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 7: he stays, that's why he connects, and that's why you know, 585 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 7: that's why we know his name today, Frankly. 586 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: Right, But I'm just wondering. So he's so he's uber confident, 587 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: he's playing at Indiana, and there had to be something 588 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: about either Bob Knight or that program that just didn't 589 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: sit well with him. Because the guy loved basketball. He 590 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: was a junkie Keith. 591 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, one thing that you know Bird is but he 592 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 7: would probably you know, be reluctant to admit, at least 593 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 7: at that time, he was sensitive. You know, he was 594 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 7: sensitive and you know, little thing to rub him the 595 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 7: wrong way and and and stick with him. And and 596 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 7: certainly you know when he arrives in blooming in August 597 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 7: nineteen seventy four, you know, that's a really good team 598 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 7: right there that he's joining. That's a team that in 599 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 7: just one year is going to go undefeated without him. 600 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 7: After he's left. You know, there's five future NBA lottery 601 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 7: picks right there in Bloomington. And so you know, they 602 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 7: don't care about this guy from French Lick this Frankly, 603 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 7: this white guy from French lick. You know, how good 604 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 7: could he really be? And you know there's you know, 605 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 7: some mild hazing that goes on. They won't pass the 606 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 7: ball to Bird and pick up scrimmages, they won't pick 607 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 7: him to play on their teams, and all of this, 608 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 7: you know, sort of rubs Bird the wrong way. And 609 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 7: then there's just the reality that Bird was not well off. 610 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 7: He arrives on campus with seventy five dollars in his 611 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 7: pocket and one bag of clothes. You know, he feels 612 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 7: out of place and Bloomington and for all those reasons. 613 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 7: You know, he ultimately, you know, decides to pack up 614 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 7: and go home. 615 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: Knowing what we know now about Larry, his career, his personality, 616 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: it is interesting. Hey, Indiana, you don't want me. I 617 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: don't feel needed here, I don't feel wanted here. I'm 618 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: gonna leave. And then later on I'm gonna go to 619 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: Indiana State, the worst college basketball program, one of them 620 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: in the country, and make you regret the day that 621 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: you made me leave Indiana. Not that they made them, 622 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: but you understand what I'm saying. Yes, it's such a 623 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: perfect Bird story. 624 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 7: So perfect, right, you know, just like not only not 625 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 7: only am I gonna be great, but I'm gonna rub 626 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 7: it in your face. 627 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: At Indiana State. Yes, it's so good. 628 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 629 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 630 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 631 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: listen live. 632 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: Keith before we let you go. It's out of March 633 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: third people, please buy it. This is a great author. 634 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: I am fascinated by this subject and I can't wait 635 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: to read it. Keith's going to send me a signed 636 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: copy like you did with Pete Rose. He's got the 637 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: greatest signature ever. But Keith, I am wondering here, you're 638 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of sports books not written by Keith O'Brien. Wow. 639 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, such a hard answer, a hard question. 640 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 7: Some of them are right there on the wall behind me. 641 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of them's on the wall behind me, right, 642 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean. 643 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 7: If one of them's on the wall behind you, obviously, 644 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 7: I don't need to mention that one. Stu thoughts, I 645 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 7: don't need to mention that. 646 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: It's called Sigata's Prison of a Record book. But go 647 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: ahead with your own Mount Rushmore. I don't want to, of. 648 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 7: Course, of course, my own Mount Rushmore, Jonathan igs Ali 649 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 7: on the wall behind me, you know, David Halbert Stams 650 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 7: October nineteen sixty four on the wall behind me. I 651 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 7: love Joe Posnanski's you know, Baseball one hundred and Uh gosh, man, 652 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 7: you got me on this on the spot here, I 653 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 7: want to cover all my bases. You know, not necessarily 654 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 7: a sports book, but one of our great sports writers. 655 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 7: Uh right Thompson. Uh if you haven't read The Barn 656 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 7: by Right Thompson, which is not a sports book, so 657 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 7: I'm I'm breaking. 658 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: The rule here a little bit. Us. 659 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 7: I urge everyone to read The Barn by right Thompson. 660 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: All right, have you heard from Dan Shaughnessy, And if so, 661 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: is he pissed that you took the Bird story? 662 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 7: I mean, Dan Shaughnessy was a sorcer for me early on. 663 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 7: He and I worked together at the Boston Globe many 664 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 7: years ago. He is one of my uh you know, 665 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 7: journalistic heroes. He was very helpful to me. 666 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,479 Speaker 1: Uh. 667 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 7: Dan Shaughnessy did blurb the book. And you know, when 668 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 7: you send the book out for blur verbs a little 669 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 7: bit behind the scenes here, you know, you send it 670 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 7: in advance. It's many months before the book comes out, 671 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 7: you don't know what people are gonna think. 672 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: No one's read it. 673 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 7: And when you know, about ten days after I said 674 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 7: the book, Dan Shaughnessy called me. I saw his number 675 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 7: pop up my phone and I sort of freaked out 676 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 7: because Dan Shaughnessy never calls me, and I thought, oh, man, 677 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 7: I really screwed something up here. 678 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: And you know, I picked up the phone. 679 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 7: And Shaughnessy goes, hey, man, I just finished the book 680 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 7: and I just got to know, like, how did you 681 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 7: do this? How did you get this? And I was like, 682 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 7: oh man, this is amazing. And that's what one of 683 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 7: the most fulfilling things that has ever happened to me, 684 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 7: and certainly has happened in the run up to this book. 685 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that's a passive aggressive way of him telling you 686 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: he's pissed off. He didn't do it. Just so you're clear, 687 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: I've been giving showing to see all hard time for 688 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: Milk of the eighties Celtics for the last thirty five years. 689 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: There you go. 690 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 7: Well, hey, for those who were in Boston, Shaughnessy and 691 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 7: I are going to be together for a book event 692 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 7: on March twelfth of the Brooks Booksmith Shawnessy and me together. 693 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 7: I'm just you know, I am not worthy. I feel 694 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 7: like Wayne's world. 695 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,959 Speaker 6: But I can't wait. 696 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: I can't wait. You know you're worthy. That is awesome. 697 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: Congratulations to you. Please go purchase the book again Heartland. 698 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: I forgot in place an impossible dream in the Miracle 699 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: of Larry Bird. Fascinating stuff. Keith O'Brien, the author with us, 700 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: good luck with the book. I don't listen. You don't 701 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: need any luck. You're a New York Times bestselling author 702 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and your friends with Shawnessy. 703 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: You'll be fine, Keith. 704 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 7: I hope so, guys, I hope so. Thanks so much 705 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 7: for having me. Was the blast to be back with you.