WEBVTT - Lets Get Ready to Vote feat. L Joy Williams

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika d Mallory and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Your boy my son.

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<v Speaker 1>In general, we are your host of t M.

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<v Speaker 3>I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

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<v Speaker 1>New name, New Energy. What's up my son? Lenon? What's

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<v Speaker 1>up to Mallory? How you today? I'm doing good? You

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<v Speaker 1>got my water?

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<v Speaker 2>Smith you keep you some just Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>I love just water.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't got no water today, but I got my

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<v Speaker 2>actively Black.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I actively black need too.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to my boy is smith Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's so good. I love this sweat.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, make sure that you get you some actively black. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm black from the head to the total.

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<v Speaker 1>We support actively Black.

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<v Speaker 4>You know I I wear First of all, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>wear Nike, let's be clear about that. But I wear

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<v Speaker 4>some of the other brands.

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<v Speaker 1>For workout clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, I wear workout clothes every day,

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<v Speaker 4>every day that I don't have something special to do

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<v Speaker 4>or a reason that I have have to actually dress up.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I find that those those are cool.

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<v Speaker 4>All the other brands, y'all know the names. We ain't

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<v Speaker 4>giving them free advertising. But I feel proud when I

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<v Speaker 4>wear actively Black, So it still feels good. I still

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<v Speaker 4>got some sexy leggings. I got the whole thing, my

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<v Speaker 4>Prolates body and my Pilates clothes. I'm a little bigger

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<v Speaker 4>than Pilate's body. I need to work on that. But

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<v Speaker 4>I still feel you know, I feel good. I still

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<v Speaker 4>feel good, good, still feel sexy. But I feel proud

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<v Speaker 4>because this is a black owned company. We support Actively

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<v Speaker 4>Black one hundred percent, and right now, go and click

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<v Speaker 4>on the links and go get you some actively Black

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<v Speaker 4>support them, and also support until Freedom. We need the

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<v Speaker 4>support we have merch. You can go pick up sweatsuits

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<v Speaker 4>from us. They cool, they look good, they feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>You can wear them with shoes.

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<v Speaker 4>You can dress them up, dress them down, do your thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but not men. Men cannot wear them with shoes. Are

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<v Speaker 4>women can wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Them with you?

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<v Speaker 1>That would actually be done.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna hit you up until Freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen.

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<v Speaker 4>So we gotta move quickly today because we have the

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<v Speaker 4>guests coming up that's gonna educate us, and you know

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna learn a little bit or something something.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to talk about my thought of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was an interview that I did a while

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<v Speaker 4>back where I was talking. I was on TMZ and

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<v Speaker 4>Kamala Harris was selected as the vice presidential pick.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember I was in the car.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on my way to Brooklyn to a photo shoot,

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<v Speaker 4>and while I was talking to the folks on TMZ,

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<v Speaker 4>they asked me, do you think that Kamala Harris can

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<v Speaker 4>become president?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think she can also be president?

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<v Speaker 4>So she's vice presidential pick, but do you think that

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<v Speaker 4>she can run and ascend to the presidency? And I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I said, because you know, racism is terrible,

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<v Speaker 4>so that's already bad enough, and sexism, when you bring

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<v Speaker 4>that into the equation, it's even worse. Right, So if

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<v Speaker 4>you listen and I and a couple of people started

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<v Speaker 4>attacking me. They went crazy. Not a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, there's a certain segment. A couple of

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<v Speaker 4>people called me up, like, I'm just trying to understand

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<v Speaker 4>your perspective because a lot of people are very sensitive

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<v Speaker 4>about that racism and then comparing it with sexism, and

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<v Speaker 4>it felt like I was including all women, white women,

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<v Speaker 4>this woman, that woman or whatever, over black people and

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<v Speaker 4>what black people have experienced, and specifically black men.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was explaining it to a good friend

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<v Speaker 1>and He.

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<v Speaker 4>Was like, why are you, Like, are you seriously trying

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<v Speaker 4>to explain to me what you meant? Like I'm stupid,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I understand exactly what you're talking about. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>that I was saying that racism is not the most horrific, horrendous,

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<v Speaker 4>disgusting atrocity of American culture. That is not what I

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<v Speaker 4>was saying. What I'm saying is when you are black

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<v Speaker 4>and then you had maybe let's just use it another example.

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<v Speaker 4>You black and you have a disability, or you're black

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<v Speaker 4>and you are I don't know, you're black in you're trans,

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<v Speaker 4>you're black in whatever, poor, you're black, and that makes

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<v Speaker 4>what you experience already as a black person worse because

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<v Speaker 4>you're adding another element onto it that really sort of

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<v Speaker 4>deepens the hate and the oppression and the disgust that

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<v Speaker 4>a person has to endure. And So when I look

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<v Speaker 4>at Kamala Harris at that time, this is prior to

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<v Speaker 4>right now, this is years back. Like a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 4>we are ahead of ourselves when we speak on issues.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm looking back at that time and I said

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<v Speaker 4>that sexism is even worse. So what I was saying

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<v Speaker 4>is that as a black woman, not as a woman

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<v Speaker 4>in general, even though you see Hillary Clinton, also more qualified,

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<v Speaker 4>didn't win the election. But that's a whole different set

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<v Speaker 4>of circumstances. But when you look at Kamala Harris as

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<v Speaker 4>a black woman, she's going to deal with being black

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<v Speaker 4>and then having on top of that her being a

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<v Speaker 4>woman as another way for people to disrespect, discredit and

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<v Speaker 4>even our own people, even our own people.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's just keep it. A hundred men.

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<v Speaker 4>In our community and women, men and women, but a

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<v Speaker 4>lot more men who are unwilling to support her just

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<v Speaker 4>because she's a woman, right Like there's some people who

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<v Speaker 4>have policy disagreements with her, there's some people who are

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<v Speaker 4>They look at it and they're like, listen, I have

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<v Speaker 4>issues with Kamala Harris with things that she may have done,

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<v Speaker 4>or things she said, or things the positions that she

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<v Speaker 4>supports right now, and I'm not arguing with any of those.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I have.

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<v Speaker 4>People on my page calling her a thing, calling her

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<v Speaker 4>a wench, calling her all these disrespectful names, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I also see that there are people who could be

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<v Speaker 4>helping her, But because of the way that you watch

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<v Speaker 4>them treat women in general, you know why they are

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<v Speaker 4>unwilling to support her because they never when I'm asking

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<v Speaker 4>certain people, they like, oh no, I just don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't. They don't really have a real answer.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So anyway, I just want to say to myself,

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<v Speaker 4>right like how Snoop said, I want to thank me.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to say to me, I was not

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<v Speaker 4>wrong in what I said. And it's playing out for

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<v Speaker 4>us to see it happening in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>When I spoke on it, I spoke on it not

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<v Speaker 4>just as a black person, but as a black woman

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<v Speaker 4>who I even know in spaces where we are doing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in civil rights spaces and social justice spaces,

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<v Speaker 4>in business spaces, I know that I am treated a

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<v Speaker 4>different way than some of the black men who are

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<v Speaker 4>my counterparts, or black men who may not even be

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<v Speaker 4>as effective or as progressive or as whatever as me.

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<v Speaker 4>But just because I'm a woman, I deal with another

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<v Speaker 4>layer of disrespect and of the sexism that is also

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<v Speaker 4>ingrained in American culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I have to agree, man, you know, I've said

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing, and I think shout out to applies man.

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<v Speaker 3>He had to give apology to black women because he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't even understand the level of hate that Black women

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<v Speaker 3>have experience, and I've listened to dudes just tell me, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>she's a woman. She just shouldn't be leading you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying, And she's nobody's gonna respect her and

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<v Speaker 3>this and that, and it's like, wow, why I respected

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<v Speaker 3>my mother? My grandmother was one of the strongest people

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<v Speaker 3>I know in my life. So when we have these conversations,

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<v Speaker 3>there is definitely a facet of America where men do

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<v Speaker 3>not respect women, and nick definitely do not respect Black women.

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<v Speaker 3>Malcolm said it, the most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected woman

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<v Speaker 3>in the world is the black woman. So person in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, not just the woman, the most neglected person

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<v Speaker 3>in the world is a black women. So we are

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<v Speaker 3>able to see this in real time. So like, when

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<v Speaker 3>you said it to me, I understood.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly what I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Mark Thomson. He was like, like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>you explaining it?

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody with good sense knows exactly what you're saying. They

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<v Speaker 4>are trying not to know, or they're emotion. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>funny because some of these same people.

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<v Speaker 1>Always are like, oh, let's not move with emotion.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when I speak to something that is my

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<v Speaker 4>experience as a woman then it's emotional. That's cute. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>let us move on. This is a point we're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to do t because we gotta go. So you

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<v Speaker 4>go see a music segment, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna go to my music segment. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>Marvin Being. You know, we was out.

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<v Speaker 1>In Detroit, super organized.

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<v Speaker 3>Marvin King Being Man, he put us all together. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you had a panel in Detroit with Ice Wear, Vessel Killer,

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Push your T, Beanie C.

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<v Speaker 2>Freeway. You know, it was so many.

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<v Speaker 4>Different Nipsey Hustle's brother. The brother's name, it always escapes me,

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<v Speaker 4>but I love.

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<v Speaker 3>Him so much, Black Sam, Black Sam, and we had

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful panel shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>To take the eating. We can't be leaving people out.

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<v Speaker 4>Since you want a name, pastor, Mike mc Mike McBride,

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<v Speaker 4>what's our other brother's name?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh lord, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, it was a dope panel.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a soundtrack and the first song off the

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<v Speaker 3>soundtrack is called still Here and it's the Vote or

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<v Speaker 3>Else soundtrack and it's featuring Benny the Butcher, is featuring

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<v Speaker 3>Jae Electronica, Freeway, Black Thought, Metal Feet, and Joe taking Eadie.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Joe Taker.

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<v Speaker 1>You know she wasn't singing on this, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>she she out here. She thinks she a singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she definitely thinks she can sign.

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<v Speaker 3>She's actually the song is dope and it's really touching,

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<v Speaker 3>so make sure you go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on all platforms.

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<v Speaker 3>Still here, his vote or else and is featuring all

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<v Speaker 3>all this side this name and shout out to.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Agnew was Agnew?

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<v Speaker 4>See I knew it was somebody important and feel is

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<v Speaker 4>our brother.

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<v Speaker 1>That is yellow pain Yellow. It was a powerful it

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<v Speaker 1>was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Very very powerful discussion. My boy Smoke Dizzer was on there.

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<v Speaker 4>And so much music came out. I mean, music is

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<v Speaker 4>coming out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a dope. I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the soundtrack, so it's gonna be on the.

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<v Speaker 1>S king bing king bing ing, not me king.

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure that you go and listen to that song.

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<v Speaker 2>Still here. The soundtrack would be out very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>And still here, Still here. That's what's up. That's what's up.

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<v Speaker 4>And today we are joined by a super friend who

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<v Speaker 4>has some information. I mean, as we've been saying, this

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<v Speaker 4>election is really important for us.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really care who doesn't like it, right, We don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Care who is not interested and who's mad at us,

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<v Speaker 4>and who said we shouldn't be and don't this and that,

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<v Speaker 4>go talk to somebody else, because we we're really deeply

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<v Speaker 4>into this thing. And tm I has really been turned

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<v Speaker 4>into a show to discuss all the elements of the

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<v Speaker 4>election for the next several weeks. And so in our

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<v Speaker 4>super friend world, l Joy Williams, who's joining us today

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<v Speaker 4>is somebody who of course is very special to me,

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<v Speaker 4>and now you know, over the years she's become special

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<v Speaker 4>to you as well, President of the NUBACP Brooklyn Network

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<v Speaker 4>and also she and I serve on the board of

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<v Speaker 4>Higher Heights, which is an organization that does a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of political education and raising funds for black women candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>We do so many things.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a consultant, super brilliant, you got all the things

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<v Speaker 4>in this one woman. But what's important for why she

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<v Speaker 4>comes here today is because Joy has created. Joy is

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<v Speaker 4>an educator, an educator, and so she's created a guide

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<v Speaker 4>for the it says, a journal for the empowered voter,

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<v Speaker 4>call Get Vote Ready, Get Vote Ready. And so today

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna be hearing from our sister l Joy Williams

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm excited about that, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Her story, just when we're talking about the kids, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>Even though she's doing all this leadership in the community,

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<v Speaker 4>she also is fostering several children at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I love doing this podcast, right, because we

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<v Speaker 3>get an opportunity to interview and highlight our friends who

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<v Speaker 3>are doing so many dope things. So shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>el Joy for educating us about civics and about what

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like to vote in which we need to

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<v Speaker 3>know about voting. And they're also educating us about humanity.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, right, it is humanity when you like, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna take Not only am I out here fighting for

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<v Speaker 4>our rights, but then I learned that children needed help,

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<v Speaker 4>and like she said, out of a.

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<v Speaker 1>Personal situation came her story.

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<v Speaker 4>So when people asked me, well, what's the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>that I should do, I'm like, look at your life,

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<v Speaker 4>look at the things that are near and dear to you,

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<v Speaker 4>and make decisions about how you can get active based

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<v Speaker 4>upon that. Because people who jump into stuff that has

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to do with what they're really interested in, or

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<v Speaker 4>because they get in it because they're like, oh there's

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<v Speaker 4>a check, or oh there's you know, or everybody else

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<v Speaker 4>is doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I do it better.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you're in an area that does not really really

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<v Speaker 4>make you feel like you're you're getting to your passion,

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<v Speaker 4>like you're serving your purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we definitely do have our sister el Joye. She

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<v Speaker 3>is an educator, she is a friend. She is one

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<v Speaker 3>of those individuals that when you think of her, she's

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<v Speaker 3>always smiling, but you know, she's about business. So we

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<v Speaker 3>have our sister, the one, the only El joy in

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<v Speaker 3>the building.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, man, I love that, and I gotta come here

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<v Speaker 5>more often.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for both of you for inviting me today.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Joy tell us you know, first of all, let's just

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<v Speaker 4>get straight on in DOUAA CP Networks Chapters branch French.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, Okay, listen, we did not have a rivalry.

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<v Speaker 1>If nan right.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's just you know, we birthed everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You see shade and shot already. That's what I love

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<v Speaker 1>so much about you, Joy, Like I think so.

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<v Speaker 4>Many people feel like in the movement we are just

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<v Speaker 4>stoic and boring and we're not like we enjoyed one another.

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<v Speaker 4>We make jokes. We snacked like we did at the

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<v Speaker 4>house back in the days when we were kids, and

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<v Speaker 4>we have a good time. And you know, you're one

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<v Speaker 4>of those people who, like my son says, you're always smiling,

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<v Speaker 4>but you'd be serious as hell.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be scaring me.

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<v Speaker 5>You say that in the elected say that too. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>they don't know the difference between if I'm coming and

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<v Speaker 5>being like, hey, how you doing, and like hang out

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<v Speaker 5>to like, oh no, what did I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>You're coming in the tradition of our queen mother, which

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<v Speaker 4>is Mama Duke's Hazel and Dukes. Who is the president

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<v Speaker 4>or the former? I saw somewhere the other data. I

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<v Speaker 4>guess she's kind of like kind of she's cheat.

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<v Speaker 1>She's ninety two.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, she said that she's not going to

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<v Speaker 5>do it anymore. State NAACP Conference President.

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<v Speaker 1>Chargeah okay, got it.

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<v Speaker 4>So tell us about your book, This guide for you said,

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<v Speaker 4>a journal for the empowered voter. Yeah, and I love

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that you're speaking into people because I don't

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<v Speaker 4>be feeling like people that empowered. So, you know, but

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<v Speaker 4>talk about what your journal is all about.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, one of the missions of what I

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<v Speaker 5>do sure with Sunday Civics, which is every week, I

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<v Speaker 5>sort of use what's happening in the political landscape to

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<v Speaker 5>empower people with the knowledge to get involved and engaged

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<v Speaker 5>in politics, because, as you know, part of our work

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<v Speaker 5>as organizers, the first thing we do, particularly when we're

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<v Speaker 5>going into spaces, is helping people understand how the system

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<v Speaker 5>has worked, where you know who the decision makers are

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<v Speaker 5>and then what you can demand, what you can do.

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<v Speaker 5>And in starting Sunday Civics, I realized that was a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of Even in working inside government, I would still

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<v Speaker 5>go into spaces, whether it was in the Controllers office

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<v Speaker 5>or the city hall or whatever, and I would do

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<v Speaker 5>the back door and I'm like, Okay, this is what

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<v Speaker 5>you need to ask for, this is what is possible,

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<v Speaker 5>this is what can happen. You know who, this is

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<v Speaker 5>the person you need to push. And I realized that

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<v Speaker 5>that is something we take for granted a lot that

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<v Speaker 5>everybody knows like who the decision maker is what I

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<v Speaker 5>should be asking for. And that's why I started Sunday

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<v Speaker 5>Civics with the Get Vote Ready Journal. You know, notice

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<v Speaker 5>as we go through the journal, there's nothing, there's no

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<v Speaker 5>emotion in it, there's no you know, you know, one

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<v Speaker 5>party over another party. It is helping you make a

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<v Speaker 5>strategic decision for you to prepare yourself and make sure

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<v Speaker 5>you have the information to engage in the election. And

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<v Speaker 5>then too, starting with yourself and not with the candidates.

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<v Speaker 5>You start with in the book, what what are the

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<v Speaker 5>issues that matter to me? You know what moves me?

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<v Speaker 5>What is the you know, kitchen table issue that I'm

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<v Speaker 5>most concerned about. Then you go to the candidates based

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<v Speaker 5>upon those issues to determine okay, now which one most aligned?

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<v Speaker 3>So based on this book, you know what was like

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<v Speaker 3>the what made you say, you know what, I really

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<v Speaker 3>need to make this book?

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<v Speaker 2>What made you sit down and say that?

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<v Speaker 5>Two reasons. One, you can always go to family. So

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<v Speaker 5>this is for my cousin who call and text me

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<v Speaker 5>on election day to ask me who were voting for

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<v Speaker 5>or to ask me when is the election again? Or

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<v Speaker 5>oh they got there. They may know okay, I know

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<v Speaker 5>who I'm going to vote for mayor I know who

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to vote for president. But then they get

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<v Speaker 5>there and they be like, it's some questions look like

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<v Speaker 5>that I don't know nothing about. And to my dad,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, God bless his soul. Who literally he would

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<v Speaker 5>call me to me from the voting book, right, And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, Dad, you can't call you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually illegal, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I hear him arguing with the people in

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<v Speaker 5>the like the pope. But I'm like, because they're doing

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<v Speaker 5>this job, right, you're not supposed to do that. So

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<v Speaker 5>this is for them.

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<v Speaker 4>I sent it to somebody. Is that I'm waiting, like,

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<v Speaker 4>text me back what I'm supposed to do, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>like illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll take a picture of the ballance. I bet you

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 5>This is for them. This is for you know, my

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<v Speaker 5>cousin Candae and them, you know, so that they have Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>this is my journal. This is my guy to prepare

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<v Speaker 5>myself before I go into the voting booth. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>designed and meant not for me telling you what to do,

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<v Speaker 5>but for you to put together's prompts and questions and

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<v Speaker 5>spaces there for you to contemplate. You know, what matters

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<v Speaker 5>to me might be different than what matters to you, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and so it's space for you to put that and

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<v Speaker 5>to you know, teach you. This is how I should

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<v Speaker 5>engage in a political process, in the election process, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>not so much to be swayed by celebrities, and I

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<v Speaker 5>know that's the thing that everybody, well my favorite celebrity

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<v Speaker 5>endorsed this person or did not write. But no, they're

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<v Speaker 5>voting their own interests. They're voting their own money in

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<v Speaker 5>their own pocketbook, Like this is how you vote and

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<v Speaker 5>make your decisions for you.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to really get into the book. As soon

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<v Speaker 4>as I saw you promote that it was ready, I

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<v Speaker 4>called immediately got listen because I know it's necessary. Because

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<v Speaker 4>even though this is a very contentious time. And let

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<v Speaker 4>me tell you, I am so ready for November fifth

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<v Speaker 4>to come and go. My spirit and my stomach and

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<v Speaker 4>literally my body cannot sustain two or three more months

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<v Speaker 4>of all this arguing and people right and crazy, and

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<v Speaker 4>you're fallen out with friends and family. My cousin and

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<v Speaker 4>I was in a big blow up about at a

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<v Speaker 4>family occasion. We end up being back love, but still

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<v Speaker 4>we had to go through this like really difficult conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>And the one thing I've realized is that civics one

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<v Speaker 4>oh one, like basic understanding of politics and electoral politics

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<v Speaker 4>and all of that, a lot of our people don't

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<v Speaker 4>have it. And it was done on purpose to us

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<v Speaker 4>and we have to really understand that it's not that

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<v Speaker 4>you don't know just because you weren't paying attention or

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<v Speaker 4>you're not smart or whatever. It's literally that it has

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<v Speaker 4>been designed that we would not know. And that, for

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<v Speaker 4>me is it almost makes this moment, while it is

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<v Speaker 4>incredibly stressful, it makes it like, I'm glad that we

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<v Speaker 4>have this type of race where people get to pay

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<v Speaker 4>attention and start asking the questions, even if it's the

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<v Speaker 4>most ignorant conversation you've ever been involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I know you had to be like.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, no, we're not gonna do this, we gonna learn

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<v Speaker 4>something because this ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, not only that, and that this shouldn't be the

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<v Speaker 5>only one that you do, because the work that you

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<v Speaker 5>all do right and until freedom and talking about the

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<v Speaker 5>district attorneys, talking about governor's races and things, those are

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<v Speaker 5>where we need to get engaged. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I said to someone recently, it's something I

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<v Speaker 5>say all the time. When we throw back to the

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<v Speaker 5>modern civil rights movement and talk about the right to vote,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly in the South, you know, people just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>we got the right to vote, and you know, that's

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<v Speaker 5>it That's what our ancestors died for the right, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think we do a disservice by not following that,

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<v Speaker 5>not giving contexts and qualifying them and saying they weren't

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<v Speaker 5>just dying to be able to go in the boot,

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<v Speaker 5>that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>They wanted to elect sheriffs, district attorneys that would protect

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<v Speaker 5>their communities that they were building, that weren't members of

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<v Speaker 5>the KKK, that weren't members of the White Citizens Council,

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<v Speaker 5>and would actually prosecute people if someone came through and

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<v Speaker 5>lynched their brother or their cousin.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>They wanted you know, just think about Brown v. Void

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<v Speaker 5>and the original cases that led up to that. They

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<v Speaker 5>wanted they were paying into a system that weren't properly

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<v Speaker 5>providing resources for their children's education, and so they wanted

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<v Speaker 5>the ability to be on the school board to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>our district, our schools need a bus, our schools need

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<v Speaker 5>proper books and materials. Right, And so they knew that

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<v Speaker 5>generation knew that it was tied to their vote to

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<v Speaker 5>be able to elect people that were making those decisions.

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<v Speaker 5>And we lost that, as you said, it was deliberate.

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<v Speaker 5>We lost that knowledge that these things of depressing. Our

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<v Speaker 5>communities were tied to these elected positions, that we needed

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<v Speaker 5>to be in those rooms, and we needed to have

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<v Speaker 5>our voice in those rooms, even if we weren't the

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<v Speaker 5>ones elected. And so that's what I try to do

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<v Speaker 5>with Sunday Civics is so to remind our communities, right

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<v Speaker 5>that this isn't just about electing somebody popular that looks

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<v Speaker 5>like you. This is electing someone that will listen to you,

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<v Speaker 5>that is responsive to your advocacy efforts, that has the

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<v Speaker 5>wherewithal to come back and engage with the community or

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<v Speaker 5>be within the community, and understanding those tools and how

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<v Speaker 5>to exercise right that civic bone that we all need.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's really really important.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to ask you this just based on

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<v Speaker 3>local levels, right, Like, what do you think the most

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<v Speaker 3>important elections that people don't even really focus on, because

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<v Speaker 3>I know there are certain elected officials that control so

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<v Speaker 3>many different things financially, the resources within the community, the programs,

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<v Speaker 3>all those things. What do you think just on a

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<v Speaker 3>local level, because everybody's going to talk about the president, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you think as a person that just goes

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<v Speaker 3>to work every day, that lives inside the community, what

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<v Speaker 3>are those jobs that.

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<v Speaker 2>You think civics that we should be focusing on voting for.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like that you brought up that point, because it

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<v Speaker 5>depends on where you live and that you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's the and why I provided the space for that,

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<v Speaker 5>because you know, in some places, depending on how your town,

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<v Speaker 5>how your citory is incorporated or structured, the power of

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 5>the budget, you know, may be with the county executive, right,

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.399
<v Speaker 5>not the not the city council or the you know,

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 5>or the mayor. The mayor may be a ceremonial and

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 5>he sell carpets on the weekend right right, right, or

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, right, and so that that he's just there

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 5>as an administrator or she's just there as an administrator.

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<v Speaker 5>So part of that education is also understanding that you

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.920
<v Speaker 5>start local, don't start at the top, don't start at president,

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:49.640
<v Speaker 5>don't start at governor, start local. How is my town incorporated?

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<v Speaker 5>And where is the seat of power?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it the city council? Is it the state legislature?

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 5>Who has control over the issues that I care about

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.479
<v Speaker 5>and about my budget? Like who makes those decisions? My

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 5>brother lives in an area over in the Poconos incorporated

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<v Speaker 5>a little differently than like us here in New York City,

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<v Speaker 5>and he sits on a board that makes decisions about

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 5>the town's you know, money, on whether or not they're

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 5>going to do sidewalks or they're going to invest or whatever.

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 5>Those things are important. And once he got on there,

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 5>he was like, Oh, I guess the.

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<v Speaker 4>Way the rue like something really has. This is not

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 4>rules that does come from the sky.

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<v Speaker 5>They're people, right, And there's regular people that are my

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 5>neighbors that are sitting around the table making a decision

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 5>and no one's ever there, right, but they're making a decision.

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 5>And he may be at a barbecue or something and

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 5>hear people complain about something and not realize that, oh,

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 5>that is a decision I made, you know, or didn't make.

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 5>And so that's I think what's important is looking at

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 5>how your town, how your area is incorporated. And I

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 5>provide examples of that in the book of like how

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 5>you can find that, how you can find that out,

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<v Speaker 5>and learning what what is the seed of power in

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 5>that instance, because particularly nationally, everybody focuses on the big

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 5>cities Chicago or New York, the top one hundred cities,

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 5>and more than likely a lot of them are incorporated

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<v Speaker 5>the same or organized the same there's a mayor, there's

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<v Speaker 5>a city council, or there's you know, some balance or whatever.

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 5>But people live in a lot of different things, and

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 5>you could work in one area that's a town or

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<v Speaker 5>a county and live in another one that's rural, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's a group of your neighbors who are making those decisions.

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's why I think it's important for you

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<v Speaker 5>to understand. And it may not be that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>engage daily, right, You're not gonna be me and Tamika,

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 5>and you're gonna be like every event, every protest and

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 5>things like that and every town meeting. But at least

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 5>the issues that you care about and things that you

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<v Speaker 5>care about, and understanding who makes those decisions, where the

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 5>money comes from, who's it directed to, is important. And

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 5>you can look at some of our poor estates, like

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 5>Missis be a place like that. If you look at

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.359
<v Speaker 5>how money and contracts bounce back and forth, it's like

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 5>the same people just it's like, oh, you got it

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 5>for two three years and then we're gonna vote for it.

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 5>Like over here. Meanwhile, you have some of the worst

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<v Speaker 5>education outcomes, you have some of the you know, most violility,

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 5>all of that kind of stuff that are depressed, and

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<v Speaker 5>so that's why it's important for people to understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>So what is there a portion of the guide that

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<v Speaker 4>the journal I want to call it a guide so much,

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 4>but the journal that because I guess the journal the

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 4>guide tells you what to do. The journal gives you

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 4>the opportunity to like write things and think through the process.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got it, trying to get it right so

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<v Speaker 4>it sticks. Is there a part in there or at

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<v Speaker 4>least can you speak to when you don't like either candidate, right,

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.160
<v Speaker 4>and you're like, I don't want to vote for none

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 4>of these folks, but yet somebody gonna be in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>So what what would you say to that? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>that in the book?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a very very important part. And it's something

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 5>I just talked about on Sunday because that's one of

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 5>the things that people give pushback, Right they both crooks,

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 5>Like I'm not voted for neither one of them. Right,

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 5>But elections and if again, you take the emotion out

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.880
<v Speaker 5>of it, and even those of us who are celebrating

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 5>you know that it's the first black candidate or the

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<v Speaker 5>first black woman or whatever. Let people experience that that's right.

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 5>You don't need to. Yeah, it's not okay, let them experience.

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 5>That's perfect time. If you're on another wavelength, that's cool, right,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 5>But then it's what candidate and I lay out for

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 5>ways to decide to pick a candidate for yourself. But

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 5>ultimately you're deciding where can I push progress forward and

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 5>do the least harms.

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>In my community harm reduction?

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 5>Like that is the that is the thing. But I

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 5>lay out my four steps of picking a candidate. One again,

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 5>you start with yourself, what are issues that matter to me?

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<v Speaker 5>And then looking at that the candidate's records, not who

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 5>you want to be on the ballot, but who's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Actual is actually on the back right and who can

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<v Speaker 1>really win?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then decide, okay, which of these candidates you

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<v Speaker 5>know most aligned with my values because nobody is going

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<v Speaker 5>to align one hundred percent unless you run it.

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>That was that was.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody align And even then you might have disagreement with self,

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 4>especially when you realize that a big part of politics

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 4>is about compromise.

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 5>Exactly, and that's knowing that it is important. So after

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 5>you you know, right, you say, okay, based upon what

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 5>this person said, what their track record, is this is

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 5>who most aligns, this is what their record is on

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 5>the issue. The other thing is who are you more

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<v Speaker 5>likely to move or your advocacy efforts be receptive, like

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 5>are you going to elect someone that's just like I

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 5>don't care, I double down, right, like, this is what I.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Believe the access to anything?

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<v Speaker 5>Right, And when we say access, we're not saying like

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 5>going to the White House right, right, Like we're not

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 5>talking about that.

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 3>We have people inside the administration that actually got hired

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 3>to do jobs that you can have a communication with

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 3>and say hey, that's close inside of that administration and

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 3>say hey, look these are the issues that we're dealing

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 3>with our community, right and they know you, and it

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 3>can relay that message to your elected officials and probably

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 3>gets you some type of meat or get something to

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<v Speaker 3>actually materialize from you know, you actually making this vote.

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and sometimes because you're speaking as a person who's

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 4>very close to the top of the food chain, so

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.479
<v Speaker 4>you can make the call. But if you're Johnny and

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 4>you live in a certain community, you might not be

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 4>able to make a call ever that gets to the

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 4>people you want. But you can be a part of

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 4>joining with others that have that power.

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 1>And pushing because there's power in numbers.

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 4>So when we say we going to Washington about gun violence,

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 4>or women's rights or whatever, whatever cease fire, whatever the

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 4>issue may be, you need to be able to say,

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 4>I can send out tweet, texts, a mail, chimp, whatever,

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 4>all the different things, phone calls, and there's gonna be

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 4>one hundred, two hundred, one thousand or more Johnnies from

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 4>a particular community that.

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Will be there. That's how we build power.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 4>And a lot of people because they don't see themselves

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 4>being able to call Kamala or call whoever Joe Biden,

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 4>whoever you know, even if it's your mayor, because they

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 4>can't make those phone calls, they feel very detached. Now,

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 4>one phone call you can make, and one place that

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 4>you can walk into any time you want is the

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 4>campaign office and or the district office of your city.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Council person in your state, your state legislator exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>The congressional member.

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 4>You can walk right in the door, and the squeaky

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 4>whell gets the oil because we know you go in

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 4>there every other day, send letters, write. They will have

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 4>to respond to you because you are a constituent in

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 4>their district versus you trying to talk to President Soul

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 4>and self.

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 5>And I think that's important because you're evaluating is this

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 5>person responsive to those rights? Yes? Are they doing a

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 5>press conference and they're saying, I don't care how many

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 5>people come to my office, I'm voting this way, or

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 5>are they like after set deliberation with constituents in my community,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>After I got my ass kick right, got barrassed or.

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<v Speaker 5>Even you know, or even got better understanding of right,

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 5>because we assume that politicians know everything about the issue,

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 5>and they do not.

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>They we went to Washington, you know, we walked two

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty miles from New York City to Washington,

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 4>d C. Where Carma pres and our family at the

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<v Speaker 4>gathering for justice Justice League And.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you join us? You did?

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<v Speaker 4>You came somewhere You was at the beginning that no

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 4>stat No no no stat. Nyland is where most people

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 4>met us. Okay, So when we got to Washington, the

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 4>last part of the march was to do our advocacy Day,

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<v Speaker 4>where we went and talked to all the legislators and

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 4>these are congressional members.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about. We went down, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>to Alabama to talk to no no, no, no. We

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>were in Washington, D C. And the Congression.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby, we were having to tell congressional members what their

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 4>colleagues in Congress have on the table in terms of bills.

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>They did not know.

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<v Speaker 4>They had to be educated. They were like, oh, we

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 4>were bringing them together.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done that. I know you've done it in Albany,

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>in the state capitol of New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially around for us it was around raised the age.

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<v Speaker 4>Well we had to go shut it down, like completely

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 4>busting to the meat and like, what is the problem

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:04.239
<v Speaker 4>up here?

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<v Speaker 2>Two in the morning.

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so people think, I mean you were basically living

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 4>up there dealing with these issues. People really think that

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 4>these folks know and that they're smarter than you, or

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:20.240
<v Speaker 4>that they know. They just had the courage to go run. Yeah,

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 4>and they could raise the money.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 5>And if there and if they're experts on an issue,

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 5>it's probably one or two that's not on it.

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 4>It's not all of us are in that situation. Although

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 4>the Internet would have you thinking you know everything, you have.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Everything right, That's what I want to ask you.

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Does it frustrate you just watching misinformation, just being secivically

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 3>engaged in knowledgeable does it frustrate you on the internet,

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 3>just seeing people just say things that are so outlanded

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:51.359
<v Speaker 3>and seeing people grab onto it like it's actually fat.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me tell you something, This is when I feel

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 5>the most old. Yeah, because I scrolled through and I'll

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 5>see stuff and the old woman responses come out of me.

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 5>Now you know that don't make me Benny, you saw it?

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Sound like.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, and you know I'll tell again my cousins or

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 5>other people calling me and I'm like, use your comments comments, now,

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 5>why would that? Like now, why would some why would

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 5>that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Just think like, just let's think that through what you're saying.

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 5>Right, And you know, it's the same thing I use

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 5>on my kids, you know, And I'm like, let's think

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 5>about this a little bit, you know, and play it

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<v Speaker 5>out and see how So that kind of thing does

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely frustrate me.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's also for you a person that you can't

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 4>take stupidity. It's like it really doesn't. It aggravates you

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 4>to the point who.

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 5>Knows, And it's I'm come from a long line people

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.479
<v Speaker 5>that my grandmother who I'm actually named after, Joyce, would

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 5>say that, like you say something or whatever, just why

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 5>would you just bring stupid into.

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>The house.

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 5>Like it was and it was a cancer or something.

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 5>And so that it makes it extremely difficult too, because

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 5>it's there's so much things that are true to fight against,

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 5>to like to engage that when you make up stuff,

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 5>it's just like you don't even got to make.

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 6>It, have to make because that all the time, Like

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 6>I could find you five things that's true that we

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 6>should be challenging about, which at the candidate, including kam

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 6>La Harris, I got five or six things, and you

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 6>want to make up some story about you talked about

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 6>celebrities and their impact.

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 4>We just finished talking on the show about Janet Jackson

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 4>and like how she's like, well, I heard you had

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 4>our daddy's white like this, what right?

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 1>What are you?

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 4>We heard some things about you and your family too,

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.959
<v Speaker 4>and we still wrack with you, and we also try

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.399
<v Speaker 4>not to spread it as intelligent people who have the

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 4>best interest of all of us in mind. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 4>you know one thing I say about you know, uh

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<v Speaker 4>as you're seeing issues that you even want to address

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 4>with a candidate that you support, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I always say, you know, I say it to lectus

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 5>today face. I look forward to protesting you.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Right like.

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 5>You're visiting right, because it's part of and literally I

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 5>have said that's a common land. She was like, come on,

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 5>because that is your role, right, Like, that is your

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 5>role to educate me on the process. Every photo line

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 5>that I've been in, I've talked to her about like

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 5>something else, and she has said she's like, every time

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 5>you come in here, she got something else. Some other

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 5>people so so whatever. And to people like her that

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 5>are committed to public service in that way, it's just like,

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 5>that's your job, that's your role, right, Like I understand

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 5>where you are coming from where, and it's not coming

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.879
<v Speaker 5>from a malicious place, it's coming from That is your role.

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 5>My role is here and often we intersect and we

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.399
<v Speaker 5>may be on different sides on different issues, and then

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 5>we can come together on you know, on different things. Absolutely,

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 5>and I think that that's we have to think about

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 5>those we elect as our utility players, right and that

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 5>you know, you pull them in when you need to,

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.879
<v Speaker 5>you rally against them if you need to. But going

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 5>back to that harm reduction as you mentioned, is really important,

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 5>and the last one is thinking about the political landscape.

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 5>What is happening in the country, what is happening in

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 5>your state, what is happening in society, and based upon

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 5>who's running their record, their disposition, is this the person

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 5>I want to lead during this time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the realist thing. And I want to just say

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 3>we always say that, we say we're not fighting for allies,

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 3>We're fighting for a better opponent.

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what we elected.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.760
<v Speaker 3>We want to elect the best appointed because we understand

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 3>that in government, you're going to make decisions. The government

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 3>is gonna have different you know, ideologies and understands and

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 3>have different point of views and needs that they think,

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 3>and we represent the people will have to make sure

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 3>that we argue on behalf of the people all of

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 3>the time. So if we understand that process, then we

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 3>should always feel like we have to challenge our government

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 3>officials always. But what I want to say is this

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 3>this whole ideology, Like you know, I've I've just become

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 3>civically engaged in like the last ten years. You know,

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm from the hood, so I really didn't pay that

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 3>much attention. But there's this ideology in the streets that

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 3>either we shouldn't vote, right, we shouldn't vote, or you know,

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 3>just mainly we shouldn't vte. I'm not even gonna say

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<v Speaker 3>to all, because that is that makes actlutely no sense,

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 3>even though shouldn't vote makes.

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 2>No sense to me.

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 3>But what do you tell the person that says they're

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 3>gonna sit home and just not vote.

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're not gonna vote for the third party?

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Because there was a whole thing, like the was a

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 3>thing today where you know it's been. It was on

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 3>a breakfast club when Angela Roe I was talking to

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Jill Stine and she asks her a lot of questions and.

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 2>There was both pushed back.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to hear your perspective on another party,

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 3>you know. And then the people that say don't vote.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, this is where I might get a little nerdy.

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 5>So you know, I mean in community all the time,

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, in Brooklyn, and I get that question all

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 5>the time either I don't do politics or voting doesn't matter,

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 5>the system's rigged and all that kind of stuff. And

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 5>it's something that I address all the time out in

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 5>the street. One I never start with as an organizer,

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 5>I need you to come out and vote. I never

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 5>started that way. I always started where people are like,

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 5>what you know, what do you need? What's you know? Like,

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 5>what's what's your concern? In that way. But even when

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 5>I do get to the point where someone says, I

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 5>don't do politics, we shouldn't vote anyway because it's you know,

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 5>all raised, then I asked the question, then.

0:40:58.800 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 5>Like, you know, what do you do right? And more

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 5>often than not, you know, people might say, oh, I

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 5>volunteer here or things or whatever, and I was like,

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 5>what is the reason you have to volunteer for kids

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 5>to have food for lunchtime? Because there isn't someone making

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 5>a decision that those kids don't need the resources for

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 5>them not to eat. So you not doing politics, meaning

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 5>those kids don't have another advocate to make sure that

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 5>they are eating and their bellies are full for them

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 5>to learn. So you're depriving those kids of your voice.

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're actually you're actually going against what it is

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 3>that you actually want to do right.

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 5>And then talking to people, which is I think you

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 5>talk about, is deliberate of taking civic education. It's also

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 5>deliberate that we took the word power and political power

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 5>out of civic because civic is like, oh, let's go

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 5>like volunteer at the library or pick up trash or

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 5>like it's like these passive actions rather than it's about

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 5>control and wielding your political power, right, me, you and

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 5>others in our community coming together are a powerful voice

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 5>to push back against money grabbing landlords, right like us.

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 5>So they diminished right, So local we're diminishing because people

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 5>are afraid of the power. And that's what you're doing

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 5>with voting, that is what you're doing with organizing. You

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 5>are collectively coming together to wield your political power. And

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 5>in Brooklyn and DOAACP, I go a step further where

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 5>I tell people we're doing an action in Brownsville and

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that. I was like, come with me, let's

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 5>build black political power, right and see what we can

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:59.280
<v Speaker 5>do with that collectively in the state, in the city,

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 5>on the city level, and then you know, on the

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 5>national level that is scary to people that people would

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 5>come together to build back black political power. We've seen

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 5>that all throughout history. And so helping people to understand

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 5>that that this is about power and part of your vote.

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 5>That's why when I talk about that political landscape is

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 5>where will I have the most power? Right not only

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 5>in pushing this elected this you know, advocacy or what

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 5>have you. So then when you get to the third party,

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 5>will I have power if I vote for a party

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 5>that can't get the two hundred and seventy electoral votes.

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Do you believe like we do, that it's time to

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 4>create other options, like viable options, to open up our This.

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 5>Is where I get a bit nerdy because this is

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 5>part of the problem. I don't have a problem with

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 5>like folks like Joe Sein and others or whatever running

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 5>like like you know, do you whatever. What I have

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 5>a problem with is that there are because these are

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 5>state by state processes in terms of ballot access getting

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:11.280
<v Speaker 5>on the ballot, and we have defaulted to two parties

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 5>not only on the national level, but on the state

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 5>wide level, and so you have to break that stronghold

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 5>of two parties in order to get to more viable options.

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 5>There's absolutely no reason why Hillary Clinton and AOC should

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 5>be in the same political party. There's absolutely no like

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:35.360
<v Speaker 5>like from a political idea.

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Depends on how you're feeling, you might want either one

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of them.

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 5>Depending on whatever. But there's no reason why Bernie Sanders right,

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 5>and you know, Barack Obama are in the same political party.

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 5>It does it's like it doesn't work, like.

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 4>It really turns people off because the messaging is mixed,

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 4>and it seems like there's a fight going on like internally.

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 5>Right, And that is because we've defaulted as a country

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 5>to a two party system, and in order to get

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 5>to a more representative thing, we do need to break

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 5>that stronghold and that comes with changing state laws and

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 5>changing the national process. And that's hard work that people

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 5>don't want to, you know, accept. So you know, you

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 5>could say the third party option, but that is hard

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 5>to do. That takes much more money. And the person

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 5>that got the closest was Bernie Sanders, right, but he

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 5>also did it using a two party, using one of

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 5>the major political parties. He didn't use the third.

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Party because we know that.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 4>Listen, I know we have to wrap up. We could

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 4>do this for a while because it's so much. Yeah,

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 4>there's so much to learn. When I want you to

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 4>tell folks where they can get your book, But when

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:53.879
<v Speaker 4>you do that, the next thing I want to ask

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 4>you about is your own advocacy. Like your personal advocacy

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 4>with your husband has been to take children into your

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 4>home who are in the force se care system and

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 4>all of us. That's why I always tell people we

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.879
<v Speaker 4>don't have to do things the same way you don't

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 4>have to sit in your home right now and say, well,

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna do what Tomik Mallory does.

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not gonna do it. Aljoy and MASANDU. You

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>can figure out.

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Your own ways to impact so much of people's lives

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 4>who need help. And you all have taken on children

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 4>who who need homes, and I just want you to

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 4>talk a little bit about that process and why you

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 4>all decided to do that.

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So, first of all, you can get get Vote

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:38.200
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0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 5>And I say empower voter because you are already empowered, right,

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 5>you have to give you power. You already have it.

0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 5>You just have to learn how to harness it and

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.000
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0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.240
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0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:57.720
<v Speaker 5>It's actually number two right down and it just debuts

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:03.040
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0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 5>may be voting for the first time or not a

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 5>regular voter or even a prime voter, you know, like it.

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 5>It's a really good exercise I think into Okay, let

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.360
<v Speaker 5>me go through the process of making sure.

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>That I'm engaged.

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 5>And it's for any election, not just this one, you know,

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 5>so it's something that you can use for that. The

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 5>second piece, in terms of what my husband and I do,

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 5>it started from a personal space. It started from, you know,

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 5>a family member needing care and the government, you know,

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 5>acs showing up saying we're taking a baby, and I

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 5>was like, taking who baby? Like not like you know,

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 5>and it's said, no, you know, we're gonna take care.

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 5>And then, you know, once my husband and I started

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.439
<v Speaker 5>that process and realized how many other you know, young

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:52.399
<v Speaker 5>people are caught up, particularly black and brown children right

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 5>are in the system. And a lot of it is

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 5>because of poverty. A lot of people children are taking

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 5>because of privy, because I love the child, because of

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 5>and they classified neglect as oh, you don't have enough

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 5>food in a refrigerator, or do you have a stable

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 5>place that just because you're CouchSurfing or it's something like that. Like,

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 5>there's so many different reasons why children end up in

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 5>the system. And it's not to say that there aren't

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 5>very real cases of neglect and abuse, because there are,

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 5>but for there's a large portion of it it is

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 5>because of issues of poverty. And then after that family member,

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 5>who's now you know permanently with us, we kept our

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:37.279
<v Speaker 5>license open and so far we have fostered children their

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 5>parents are under twenty five or twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Five, And so you chose that area what it just so.

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:46.360
<v Speaker 5>Happened to be. And you know when I talked about

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 5>like one of the things I say in a photo

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<v Speaker 5>line to the Vice President every time I talk to

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 5>her about foster care. Right, and even though it is

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:58.759
<v Speaker 5>a process that is governed by states, it is a

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 5>national crisis certainly that was exasperated by COVID that needs

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 5>to be addressed in terms of the resources because it's

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 5>an ongoing cycle. Just our brief time of ten years

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 5>doing it, we've seen the vicious cycle of a young

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 5>person in care, they not having the adequate supports or resources,

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 5>They then become parents sooner than they need to be,

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 5>and then they don't have basic supports to be able support,

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 5>so now their children are taken and it's so sort

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 5>of an ongoing cycle from that standpoint, And so we

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 5>really have to focus not only as a state, but

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 5>as a nation and how we are addressing the needs

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 5>of people twenty five and under in this country. Because

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 5>we for a lot of things, we leave it up

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 5>to just the parents. And what happens when those there

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.360
<v Speaker 5>are are no supports or the parents need additional supports

0:49:56.360 --> 0:50:00.840
<v Speaker 5>in order to continue to raise them and engage for

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 5>their livelihoods.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Donald Trump said, you just need a day to

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 3>purge and just beat them up when they still, you know,

0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:09.440
<v Speaker 3>just beat the kids up they still, You rough them

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.640
<v Speaker 3>up real, real violently, and then everything go back to normal.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how you do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not you know, I wrote on your page how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel about that.

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, there was definitely some what we call explotives.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I'm just so tired of it. But I I

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<v Speaker 4>just want to thank you, el joy who are coming

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<v Speaker 4>to be with us today. Get this book. It is

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<v Speaker 4>the get Vote Ready Journal, the journeys you got to do,

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope that everybody who's like, what do I do?

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>How do I do it?

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<v Speaker 4>With a instead of us becoming so anxious that we

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 4>disengage because you just overstimulated. There are actual tools and

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 4>I believe that your book is a tool. Let me

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 4>touch it so I can feel it and put a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of a blessing that I.

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Have on it.

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.839
<v Speaker 4>You know that there are real people who have sat

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 4>down out and said, let me help you so that

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 4>you are not anxious, but you're actually ready, ready to go. Well,

0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, she's a super friend, a super friend, l

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Joy Williams, the president of the NAACP Brooklyn branch, but

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 4>also so so so much more and also an author here. Okay,

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 4>that's what I'm talking about. Thank you, thank you so

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:25.720
<v Speaker 4>much for thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>So with that said, we're going to go into my

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't get it since we're talking about civics, you know,

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 3>and I haven't really said anything about the Eric Adams

0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:38.040
<v Speaker 3>charges because I don't really know a lot of it

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 3>about it, right, But I read the indictment and then

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 3>I read the article that I read today just talking

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 3>about you know what there he's being accused of and

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 3>just getting a breakdown.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't get how.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone who is an elected official, right, and they have lobbyists.

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.919
<v Speaker 3>I've heard about having lobbyists, and they lobby for certain things,

0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 3>and they lobby on behalf of certain things. And you know,

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 3>the elected officials, the campaigns are funded, they have dinners,

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 3>they raise money, and all of these things are supposed

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 3>to be that you build a relationship with the elected

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 3>official that you know that you advocate on behalf of yourself.

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:23.879
<v Speaker 3>And now when it seems to me, right because I've

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.920
<v Speaker 3>heard this a few times that every time there's a

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 3>black elected official, those things become criminal, right, And I'm

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 3>not saying it is because I don't know all of

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 3>the intricate things, like we don't know all of the evidence,

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 3>we don't know all the things, but it actually it

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 3>seems to me as if you being close to an

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.400
<v Speaker 3>elected official, you know, raising money on behalf because you

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 3>want to see that person in power, that you believe

0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:52.839
<v Speaker 3>in that person, and you having a relationship which puts

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 3>you in a position to where you could say, hey,

0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.399
<v Speaker 3>these things are wrong in our community or these things

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 3>we need in our community, and him be able to

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:03.240
<v Speaker 3>advocate on behalf of you now with something that's ilegal,

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 3>it's it's a bribe.

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.439
<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad you're being vulnerable and.

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm not listen to me and I don't know, and

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't agree with Eric Adams on a lot of things.

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 3>And we, like we just said, we pushed back and

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 3>I've had you know, if you look at I would

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 3>drink Champs interview.

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I sat down and I explained him to things.

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I didn't agree with, but as a man and as

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:24.200
<v Speaker 3>a black man, I understand that it's hard, especially in politics.

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I've watched this situation happen. This is not the first.

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Time, this is not the second these this same situation

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I've seen happen to like four elected officials black elected officials.

0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Right right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm really don't get why the you know, the

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:46.320
<v Speaker 3>the threshold right right, Why the criteria for advocacy and

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 3>in fundraising and things seem to change when black officials are.

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>In Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't change.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why I said, I'm glad that you asked,

0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:57.040
<v Speaker 4>because I think, as you said, that TMI is a

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 4>forum and should be for us to educate people.

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 1>But also sometimes we just don't know.

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.319
<v Speaker 4>And when we don't know, we should not feel like, oh,

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 4>we can't talk about that because we don't know. No,

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 4>it's okay for us to say I don't know. And

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:13.239
<v Speaker 4>so here's the thing. First of all, yes, there is

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 4>an attack on black elected officials.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>We see it happening all over the country.

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 4>What's our sister's name in Maryland, in Baltimore, and Marilyn Moseby,

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:25.279
<v Speaker 4>she is on.

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 1>House arrest right now.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.760
<v Speaker 4>For something that is completely asinine, right, using her own

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:34.320
<v Speaker 4>money in the purchase of a home, her own money,

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 4>not stealing from the taxpayers, and making a mistake on

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:43.239
<v Speaker 4>the application. Even if the mistake was something that some

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:45.799
<v Speaker 4>people will say it's intentional, she says that it wasn't.

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 4>In fact, she says that it did not even happen

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 4>the way in which it has been portrayed, especially in

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 4>the media. But now she's on house arrest, and you know,

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.680
<v Speaker 4>I think it's asinine. You now see that Angela Asselbrooks,

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<v Speaker 4>who's running for senate in also in Maryland, she is

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:12.400
<v Speaker 4>being accused of not registering her grandmother's property the right way,

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 4>which looks very to me as an oversight. But nonetheless

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 4>she's also experiencing this. You see Brian Benjamin, who has

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 4>never even purchased marijuana. Okay, this is a man who

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Brian as our friend. He's probably the cleanest clean person

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:31.760
<v Speaker 4>I've ever ever ever met.

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 1>In my life.

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 4>I know Brian, and you know Brian, and we've looked

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 4>at his evidence, and we've looked at all of that,

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:40.399
<v Speaker 4>and this young man's life has been destroyed, even though

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:41.279
<v Speaker 4>he's rebuilding it.

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:42.240
<v Speaker 1>He will be fine.

0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:47.839
<v Speaker 4>Before the moment, Brian as the lieutenant governor of New

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 4>York State who was about to go on and become

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<v Speaker 4>the governor. Right, he was definitely going to be the governor,

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 4>There's no question about it. He could raise the money,

0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:01.239
<v Speaker 4>he had, the relationships, he had the posture of not

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.359
<v Speaker 4>being like a He'll say I'm a black capitalist, right,

0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 4>and that's something that he and I have gone back

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:10.440
<v Speaker 4>and forth on. Nonetheless, when he says I'm a black capitalist,

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:12.719
<v Speaker 4>I know there's some people who like to, you know,

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:16.480
<v Speaker 4>who are looking at more their interests in politics.

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:18.479
<v Speaker 1>They're like, okay, I could get with him. He's not the.

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:22.840
<v Speaker 4>Liberal, super progressive, you know, against people making money type

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 4>of person. So he did all the things right, he

0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:28.840
<v Speaker 4>checked all the boxes, and still they took him down

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 4>over something that when you look at the evidence, first

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 4>of all, they've had to walk back some of it,

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 4>and second of all, the individual who was accusing him

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 4>was a white man who's deceased now. But also he

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 4>was somebody who was a criminal already in charge in

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 4>trouble for some other things. And Brian seemed to become

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 4>the fish that he could give to the prosecutors and

0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 4>to the United States.

0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:57.760
<v Speaker 1>The FEDS basically to why can't.

0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:01.400
<v Speaker 4>I get the US Attorneys Office to get them to

0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 4>maybe back down off of him, or just to ingratiate

0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 4>himself with the system. So this goes on and on

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 4>and on, and we could keep going, Kim Fox this

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 4>people running for office and people in elected office all

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:17.640
<v Speaker 4>over this nation, black people, so cool.

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 1>The charges for Eric.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Adams, if there is evidence for those charges, real evidence

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 4>that sticks on him, they are charges that are serious

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 4>because number one, it's not that it's just people advocating

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 4>for themselves the way that you and I do.

0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 1>These are business folks. These are not.

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:40.919
<v Speaker 4>Community advocates who are like, oh, you know, I want

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 4>to see more community centers and whatever.

0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:45.720
<v Speaker 1>These are people who are making a lot of money.

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 4>And by the way, Turkey specifically is not on a

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 4>good list with America. I don't want to give the

0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.600
<v Speaker 4>wrong title, but I know they're on some list of

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 4>like not being our friend or not being a nation

0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 4>that America has a strong relationship with. So when you're

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 4>in relationship with them, and then they are able to

0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 4>do business with the city. And then they said that

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:11.760
<v Speaker 4>the fire codes in the building that they wanted were

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 4>not up to par and it was like ninety different issues,

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:19.000
<v Speaker 4>and they claimed that Mayor Adams called the fire department

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 4>over and over even after they declined to give them

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 4>the building, and they made it happen. This is what

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 4>they This is what they're saying. I'm just you know,

0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 4>so if there's evidence to prove that, if there's evidence

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 4>to prove it, then we will be able to see

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 4>whether he was actually involved in these things that they

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:39.440
<v Speaker 4>say happened for ten years or a longer period of time.

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.680
<v Speaker 4>The main thing, though, which is the same kind of

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 4>issue or the same charges that they bought against Brian Benjamin,

0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 4>is the Straw donations, which is the ten million dollars

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 4>that they speak about where they say he stole ten

0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.600
<v Speaker 4>million dollars, and it's also the way that the media

0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:00.800
<v Speaker 4>talks about these things. It stole ten men million dollars

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:02.760
<v Speaker 4>makes you think that he siphoned it off or put

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:04.280
<v Speaker 4>it in his bank account and spent it on his

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 4>family and friends and was out partying with it. But

0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 4>what they're saying is that these connects that he had

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 4>in Turkey, they had relationships, they took their relationships with

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.400
<v Speaker 4>other people, gave them money, and then those people made

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 4>donations on their behalf to boost their support.

0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>For him, so that he would be indebted to them.

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 4>And so I look at that, and if there's, like

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 4>I said, real evidence for it, I can.

0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 1>See why he would be in real trouble.

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 4>Now he says that the allegations are lies and it's

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.400
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of slander and things that's being made up

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 4>or that is being blown up to make it look

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 4>like he's running some type of criminal enterprise, which, by

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.920
<v Speaker 4>the way, it is all kinds of investigations flying around

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 4>his office for different things. A couple of things I

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 4>know is when I look at people who are also

0:59:56.000 --> 1:00:00.120
<v Speaker 4>in the administration, like David Banks, who's the chancellor of

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.520
<v Speaker 4>New York City Public Schools, and also sheen or right,

1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 4>and just a bunch of people there.

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I could go on with the names. These are people

1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, especially the two that I named, I know

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<v Speaker 4>that they would never be involved in a criminal enterprise.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that there are many people within that administration

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<v Speaker 4>that they would never. Ever, that's just not their character,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not who they are. And I could say that,

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<v Speaker 4>and if I was ever proven wrong, I would have

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<v Speaker 4>to come back and say I apologize, But I know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know that these are people who just that that's

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<v Speaker 4>just not with it. That's not what they do. The

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<v Speaker 4>bank's family is just not what they do. So with

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<v Speaker 4>that being said, we have to before we start talking

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<v Speaker 4>about step down, resign all of this, we really do

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<v Speaker 4>have to be able to see whether or not this

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<v Speaker 4>evidence is true and is tried and tested in the court.

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<v Speaker 4>Because my perspective on this is, even though Eric and

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<v Speaker 4>I have many, many different things that we disagree on

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<v Speaker 4>many his support for Israel and unfortunately the way in

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<v Speaker 4>which he either will not even address the palace in

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<v Speaker 4>their community or the way in which it's almost like

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<v Speaker 4>he mocks it. I don't like that. I don't support that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like his consistent support for police officers that

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<v Speaker 4>we believe are rogue and disrespectful and harmful, very dangerous

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<v Speaker 4>in our communities.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's enough.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a list of things that I could sit here,

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<v Speaker 4>like we said, you don't got to make anything up

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<v Speaker 4>because there's a list of things. But I also want

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<v Speaker 4>to challenge those people who jump up and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>that's it, you out.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to challenge those people.

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<v Speaker 4>You want poky though, who goes through who gets arrested

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<v Speaker 4>and all of that to be able to go before

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<v Speaker 4>a court a law.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the evidence to prove they're wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>But then when it comes to him, we want to

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<v Speaker 4>have a different standard, And I just that's something that

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<v Speaker 4>you can be mad or you want with me, but

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't support it. I'm not mad at anybody

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<v Speaker 4>who says we don't like Eric Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>Never did and therefore we.

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<v Speaker 4>Feel that this is a moment when his leadership has

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<v Speaker 4>been shown to be like ineffective and he needs to

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<v Speaker 4>step down.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that there is something to be said.

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<v Speaker 4>About these investigations that happen to be going on all

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<v Speaker 4>across the country to our or black elected officials.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm not with it.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a side of me that understands what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But then there's also a side that we have to

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<v Speaker 4>be very clear that the charges against him are not

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<v Speaker 4>a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>They are serious charges.

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<v Speaker 3>No, And I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 3>based on what I was reading when I read the article.

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<v Speaker 4>The article you're talking about, you're talking about an article

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<v Speaker 4>that says that the charge like it's an overcharge, like

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<v Speaker 4>it's an overread, which is the same thing they did

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<v Speaker 4>to Brian.

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<v Speaker 3>And because it basically described what exactly happened to Brian Benjamin.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I'm listening, I'm like, well, this is the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing that happened to Brian Benjamin.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, how do in what they say?

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<v Speaker 3>The main thing that they say about these cases that

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<v Speaker 3>there has to be quid quote pro.

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<v Speaker 4>Quid pro pro quote fault. I can't never say quote

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<v Speaker 4>quid pro quote, quit.

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<v Speaker 2>Quit pro quote.

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<v Speaker 3>The main thing they say about these cases they have

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<v Speaker 3>to be quit pro quote. And that means that there

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<v Speaker 3>has to be an established agreement between two parties that

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<v Speaker 3>if you do this, then I'll do that, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>that's what has to be established and.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on this, and they couldn't establish it for Briant And.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no not really at all.

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<v Speaker 3>All they had him doing was actually just given the

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<v Speaker 3>grant organization for him to do what he does with

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<v Speaker 3>the kids. There was nothing that you do this and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do that, right. So, and what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 3>is this.

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<v Speaker 4>And the judge said that, let's just be clear judgment

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<v Speaker 4>qui pro quo.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, That's what I'm when I'm reading this article, they're

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<v Speaker 3>saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of the time people do things for elected officials.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the elect official that you're trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>in that you're going to try to get But the law,

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<v Speaker 3>the law said that you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's where quid quote pro quote comes in. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I would have to be aware that something's happening. If

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<v Speaker 3>you decide you you're one of my constituents, right, you

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<v Speaker 3>want to make sure I'm running for men, you want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that I get it, And you go

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<v Speaker 3>to all the whole block, like, listen, we need to

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<v Speaker 3>donate to my songs, and you get everybody and you

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<v Speaker 3>rallying off and they all donate and they come from

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<v Speaker 3>you and this and that right, and you decide I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have any well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the promise.

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<v Speaker 4>But the problem is, well, I mean, but still again,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all about evidence, because if you alleged that someone

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<v Speaker 4>knew or that there was conversations between a staff and

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<v Speaker 4>team members where they were coordinating, that it's one thing

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<v Speaker 4>to rally up your community.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one time I said to an elected official.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't remember who it was, but I said, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you want my mom and dad. I didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 4>was very I didn't know. So they said, oh, my

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<v Speaker 4>mom and dad. I said, oh, well, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to make them spend their money to donate for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give them money. And the elected official,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it was a man, but I cannot remember

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<v Speaker 4>who it was stop me immediately and said it might

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<v Speaker 4>have been Jamiani. Stopped me immediately and said that is illegal.

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<v Speaker 4>You cannot do that, absolutely not. And if your parents

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<v Speaker 4>are to give me, it has to come from them.

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<v Speaker 4>You can ask them to donate to me, but that's fundraising,

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<v Speaker 4>but you cannot fund them giving me money. So again,

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<v Speaker 4>that would be something where they would have to be

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<v Speaker 4>evidence of it. Now we can speak to it as

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<v Speaker 4>it relates to Brian, because we with Brian we know

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<v Speaker 4>from talking to him directly. We ain't talk to Eric

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<v Speaker 4>about this. Eric Adams, the mayor, but we have talked

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<v Speaker 4>to Brian. We know that he had if it was done,

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<v Speaker 4>he don't know a dang one thing about it, was

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<v Speaker 4>never involved in anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure that that is this.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe that's I don't know where Eric's I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going to try to deliberate his faith. But that would

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<v Speaker 4>be a problem that you cannot give people money to

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<v Speaker 4>give And it's not just being around somebody my son,

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<v Speaker 4>it's also a person. Like one of the things I

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<v Speaker 4>saw in the evidence is they're saying, like, Okay, you

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to get you want to go to on a

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<v Speaker 4>plane a plane and instead of you paying fifteen thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the cost of the ticket, you're paying one

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<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Now should people And it's a lot of people that don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Even care about that because I don't care about that,

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<v Speaker 4>Like that doesn't move me at all, because I do

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<v Speaker 4>understand it. If I'm in relationship with you and you

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<v Speaker 4>have the ability to give me a deal on a

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<v Speaker 4>plane ticket, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the law says that that is illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>See I didn't know that. I didn't know that the

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<v Speaker 2>law you take on somebody funding you.

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<v Speaker 4>Affair, yes, you can't do it. And if you no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>now you can. Like you can't even go out to dinner,

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot take you know, we have many friends in

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<v Speaker 4>their administration.

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<v Speaker 1>When we go out to dinner, they have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>They cannot even take a dinner from us, if then

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<v Speaker 4>they could take it from me as a friend. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you applied to the city for which ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>puts me in it. But you applied to the city

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<v Speaker 4>for the youth centers and all of the youth operations

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<v Speaker 4>that you do in Newark. You're trying to do it

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<v Speaker 4>here in New York. Well, when you as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>that application is in, you no longer because now that

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<v Speaker 4>would mean that you are providing favors for something in return. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm friends with these people and there's clear evidence

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<v Speaker 4>of us partying together YouTube, hanging out. They know we

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<v Speaker 4>are friends, I might pay the bill at dinner and

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<v Speaker 4>that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But even then, depending on when.

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<v Speaker 4>It is what the conversation at the table was. Cause

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<v Speaker 4>if the next person who's sitting at the production crew,

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<v Speaker 4>this gentleman is sitting there and he said, oh, they're

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<v Speaker 4>over there talking about whatever, you can't even do that.

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<v Speaker 4>So it has to be very very You could be

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<v Speaker 4>talking about twerking and whatever you think, and that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But soon as you say, well, you know, we put

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<v Speaker 1>this application in for the city.

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<v Speaker 4>Da da da da da, and we're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out the dada that becomes that that elected official has

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<v Speaker 4>to pay for it, and then the reason why they

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<v Speaker 4>do that is to cut back on people being able

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<v Speaker 4>to pay the play.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, that makes sense, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I what I will say is that that's I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>With you with the everybody black, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's definitely everybody black. I said, I said this

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<v Speaker 3>the other day. Black man got bad black man, damn

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<v Speaker 3>bad man. It's like when when we look at the news,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just being from were just being taken down from

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<v Speaker 3>all angles man. And I want to give the benefit

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<v Speaker 3>of the doubt, right, I want I want everybody's case

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<v Speaker 3>to try out in court. Right, I'm not convicting anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>People like, why you don't speak on Diddy? Why you

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<v Speaker 3>ain't speaking because I don't know what happened with Diddy.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I spoke when I seen what happened with Casie,

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<v Speaker 3>I spoke about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that it was Carol culture. I said that

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't condone that.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, whatever he had to deal with that he's

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<v Speaker 3>needed to be held accountable for everything else I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know anything about. And I'm gonna let it play out

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<v Speaker 3>in the court of law. And I would think that's

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<v Speaker 3>what men supposed to do in this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like with Eric Adams, I don't know what he did.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't and I'm not gonna sit here and pile

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<v Speaker 3>on another black man who's dealing with whatever he has

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with, because I would want somebody I went

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<v Speaker 3>to trial for my life, right, and I was facing

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of time and I blew trial crime I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't commit, and I had to deal with that right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand those realities. So don't ask me.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't come to me and ask me to pile up

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<v Speaker 3>on another black man about something that I don't know about.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna let that man have his then court and

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<v Speaker 3>if he's found guilty, then he'll be held accountable. But

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<v Speaker 3>he's not gonna be held accountable for me because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not the judge or the jury in those situations. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I have this segment called I don't get

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<v Speaker 3>it because I didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you gave me some education about certain things.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there are some people who will say, well, what

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<v Speaker 4>about Tory Lanes and why was that different?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>And what I would say is, first of all, we

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<v Speaker 4>had we're looking at the case, or you were looking

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<v Speaker 4>at the case. So we knew a lot more details

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<v Speaker 4>than most people knew because we were actually getting We

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<v Speaker 4>were like out there looking and calling around trying to

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<v Speaker 4>find like because for a woman to like lie on

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<v Speaker 4>a man and say that he shot her.

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<v Speaker 1>That was something that really disturbed me.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was really like, Nah, this can't this can't

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<v Speaker 4>be but what I and so we were looking at it.

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<v Speaker 4>But one of the things that I I did, if

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<v Speaker 4>you ever go back and you look, I never said

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<v Speaker 4>he did it or didn't do it. I just said

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<v Speaker 4>stopped lying and saying that she wasn't shot because she

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<v Speaker 4>was and she was being antagonized. And after I did

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<v Speaker 4>my due diligence and my research, it became very clear

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<v Speaker 4>to me what was going on and what happened to her.

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<v Speaker 4>But what I can appreciate about you is that you

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<v Speaker 4>did say after you first was like he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>He did he did it?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you know, sometimes we get passionate and over zealous.

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<v Speaker 4>You said, you know what, actually I'm wrong for posting

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<v Speaker 4>this that I'm gonna take it down because it was

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<v Speaker 4>wrong for me to even come out here saying these

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<v Speaker 4>things without this man being able to go through his

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<v Speaker 4>dand court.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, and that's you know, and it was wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said that as a man, and I learned

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<v Speaker 3>from that situation, even though that's how I felt in

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<v Speaker 3>my heart, even though I knew certain things about the situation,

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<v Speaker 3>and we watched things play on in court. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a man got caught with the gun. He

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<v Speaker 3>did this, and I heard the videotape, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 3>audio table was happening. I like, there were certain things,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I watched when he said a friend did

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<v Speaker 3>it and then said she didn't do it, like I

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<v Speaker 3>literally watched and said to myself this, I've seen this

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<v Speaker 3>behavior before. So I made my decision based on it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was willing to stand by, but I still

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to come out publicly and say what I said.

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<v Speaker 2>I was frustrated and I was watching.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like the woman was being attagonized and I

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to stand up for her, and I moved

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that I normally.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't move, and I apologize for that as a man.

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<v Speaker 3>So moving forward in this situation, I'm giving everybody the

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<v Speaker 3>same grace because I have way less information about these

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<v Speaker 3>cases than I even had a boy.

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<v Speaker 4>Because we literally was online digging for a court document,

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<v Speaker 4>a dialogue with Tori.

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<v Speaker 3>And just explained to him and just the way, the

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<v Speaker 3>way that he carried it to me was wrong. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't wish jail on anybody. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here a lot of things that he's he's doing

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<v Speaker 3>things for inmates and jail, donating to their funds. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully he comes home, he's he's more successful, he's learned

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<v Speaker 3>from whatever mistakes he's made in the past. I do

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<v Speaker 3>not wish jail on anyone in the world, but I

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<v Speaker 3>understand that there are consequences for your actions, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>you need to be held accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you did something, then you got to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 3>As men, we fall down, we realize we made mistakes,

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<v Speaker 3>and we get back up and we move forward. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just want everybody to just moving up.

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<v Speaker 3>Just understand, we dealing with a lot of dark forces

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<v Speaker 3>right now. There's a lot going on, and black men

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<v Speaker 3>are under attack, and I keep saying black men are

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<v Speaker 3>damn bad. So I'm just saying, just hold the complete judgment, right.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot like somebody, say that you don't like somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>but just hold off from paling on right, because when

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<v Speaker 3>you pile on to somebody you know and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what's going on and you just completely convict, it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to eat that crow you.

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<v Speaker 4>But and I mean, you know what I feel as

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<v Speaker 4>a woman, I feel many different ways. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>not something that I have not said directly to puff

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<v Speaker 4>to others that are close to this situation. After not

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<v Speaker 4>just watching the video or Cassie, but also listening to

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<v Speaker 4>some of the stories, It's disturbing. That's it. It's nothing else.

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<v Speaker 4>It is disturbing. It's painful. I you know, my heart

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<v Speaker 4>goes out to Cassie because even in the midst of

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<v Speaker 4>all of this, while it may seem like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>justice is coming, she still suffered and experienced something that

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<v Speaker 4>I watched happen with my eyes on that videotape.

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<v Speaker 1>That couldn't have been the first time. It just couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the way I feel about it, and I have

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<v Speaker 4>no problem saying that in public. Nonetheless, I know how

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<v Speaker 4>these prosecutors work. When they give you an indictment. Baby,

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<v Speaker 4>the charges got stuff in it that you're like, WHOA,

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<v Speaker 4>what is this?

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<v Speaker 1>How is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>And they make it you know, because even having a

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<v Speaker 4>thousand big bottles of baby oil and lubricant or whatever. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>while that may give you some type of thought about

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<v Speaker 4>what could be happening, it's not illegal. And I don't

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<v Speaker 4>believe that a jury is gonna be like, oh, that's it,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the convicting thing. So this but that's and that's also.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's how we know from reading indictments. That's how

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<v Speaker 4>it works. So when you actually get court documents and

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<v Speaker 4>you are in court and you can hear what is

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<v Speaker 4>being said and how information is being translated, that's when

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<v Speaker 4>you start to understand like what it boils down to

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<v Speaker 4>what is the real truth in the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what we all will see and have to

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<v Speaker 4>wait to see, not just in that case, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>a many of them life.

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<v Speaker 1>We got this case.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot going on. But anyway, so we out

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<v Speaker 4>of here today.

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