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Speaker 1: I'm Tamika d Mallory and it's.

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Speaker 2: Your boy my son.

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Speaker 1: In general, we are your host of t M.

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Speaker 3: I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

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Speaker 1: New name, New Energy. What's up my son? Lenon? What's

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Speaker 1: up to Mallory? How you today? I'm doing good? You

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Speaker 1: got my water?

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Speaker 2: Smith you keep you some just Wood.

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Speaker 1: I love just water.

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Speaker 2: I don't got no water today, but I got my

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Speaker 2: actively Black.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actively black need too.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to my boy is smith Man.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's so good. I love this sweat.

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Speaker 3: Listen, make sure that you get you some actively black. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm black from the head to the total.

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Speaker 1: We support actively Black.

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Speaker 4: You know I I wear First of all, I don't

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Speaker 4: wear Nike, let's be clear about that. But I wear

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Speaker 4: some of the other brands.

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Speaker 1: For workout clothes.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I wear workout clothes every day,

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Speaker 4: every day that I don't have something special to do

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Speaker 4: or a reason that I have have to actually dress up.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I find that those those are cool.

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Speaker 4: All the other brands, y'all know the names. We ain't

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Speaker 4: giving them free advertising. But I feel proud when I

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Speaker 4: wear actively Black, So it still feels good. I still

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Speaker 4: got some sexy leggings. I got the whole thing, my

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Speaker 4: Prolates body and my Pilates clothes. I'm a little bigger

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Speaker 4: than Pilate's body. I need to work on that. But

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Speaker 4: I still feel you know, I feel good. I still

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Speaker 4: feel good, good, still feel sexy. But I feel proud

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Speaker 4: because this is a black owned company. We support Actively

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Speaker 4: Black one hundred percent, and right now, go and click

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Speaker 4: on the links and go get you some actively Black

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Speaker 4: support them, and also support until Freedom. We need the

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Speaker 4: support we have merch. You can go pick up sweatsuits

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Speaker 4: from us. They cool, they look good, they feel good.

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Speaker 1: You can wear them with shoes.

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Speaker 4: You can dress them up, dress them down, do your thing,

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Speaker 4: but not men. Men cannot wear them with shoes. Are

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Speaker 4: women can wear.

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Speaker 2: Them with you?

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Speaker 1: That would actually be done.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna hit you up until Freedom.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: So we gotta move quickly today because we have the

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Speaker 4: guests coming up that's gonna educate us, and you know

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Speaker 4: we're gonna learn a little bit or something something.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about my thought of the day.

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Speaker 4: So there was an interview that I did a while

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Speaker 4: back where I was talking. I was on TMZ and

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris was selected as the vice presidential pick.

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Speaker 1: And I remember I was in the car.

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Speaker 4: I was on my way to Brooklyn to a photo shoot,

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Speaker 4: and while I was talking to the folks on TMZ,

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Speaker 4: they asked me, do you think that Kamala Harris can

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Speaker 4: become president?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Do you think she can also be president?

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Speaker 4: So she's vice presidential pick, but do you think that

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Speaker 4: she can run and ascend to the presidency? And I said,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I said, because you know, racism is terrible,

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Speaker 4: so that's already bad enough, and sexism, when you bring

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Speaker 4: that into the equation, it's even worse. Right, So if

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Speaker 4: you listen and I and a couple of people started

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Speaker 4: attacking me. They went crazy. Not a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: but you know, there's a certain segment. A couple of

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Speaker 4: people called me up, like, I'm just trying to understand

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Speaker 4: about that racism and then comparing it with sexism, and

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Speaker 4: it felt like I was including all women, white women,

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Speaker 4: what black people have experienced, and specifically black men.

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Speaker 1: And so I was explaining it to a good friend

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Speaker 4: Was like, why are you, Like, are you seriously trying

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Speaker 4: to explain to me what you meant? Like I'm stupid,

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Speaker 4: Like I understand exactly what you're talking about. It's not

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Speaker 4: that I was saying that racism is not the most horrific, horrendous,

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Speaker 4: you're black in whatever, poor, you're black, and that makes

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Speaker 4: at Kamala Harris at that time, this is prior to

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking back at that time and I said

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Speaker 4: that sexism is even worse. So what I was saying

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Speaker 4: in general, even though you see Hillary Clinton, also more qualified,

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Speaker 4: didn't win the election. But that's a whole different set

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Speaker 4: of circumstances. But when you look at Kamala Harris as

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Speaker 4: and then having on top of that her being a

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Speaker 4: woman as another way for people to disrespect, discredit and

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Speaker 4: even our own people, even our own people.

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Speaker 1: And let's just keep it. A hundred men.

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Speaker 4: In our community and women, men and women, but a

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Speaker 4: lot more men who are unwilling to support her just

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Speaker 4: because she's a woman, right Like there's some people who

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Speaker 4: have policy disagreements with her, there's some people who are

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Speaker 4: They look at it and they're like, listen, I have

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Speaker 4: issues with Kamala Harris with things that she may have done,

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Speaker 4: supports right now, and I'm not arguing with any of those.

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Speaker 1: But when I have.

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Speaker 4: People on my page calling her a thing, calling her

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Speaker 4: I also see that there are people who could be

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Speaker 4: unwilling to support her because they never when I'm asking

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Speaker 4: certain people, they like, oh no, I just don't think.

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Speaker 1: I just don't. They don't really have a real answer.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So anyway, I just want to say to myself,

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Speaker 4: right like how Snoop said, I want to thank me.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say to me, I was not

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Speaker 1: And I know that.

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Speaker 4: When I spoke on it, I spoke on it not

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Speaker 4: But just because I'm a woman, I deal with another

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Speaker 3: Well, I have to agree, man, you know, I've said

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Speaker 3: the same thing, and I think shout out to applies man.

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Speaker 3: He had to give apology to black women because he

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Speaker 3: she's a woman. She just shouldn't be leading you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And she's nobody's gonna respect her and

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Speaker 3: this and that, and it's like, wow, why I respected

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Speaker 3: I know in my life. So when we have these conversations,

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Speaker 3: there is definitely a facet of America where men do

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Speaker 3: Malcolm said it, the most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected woman

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Speaker 3: able to see this in real time. So like, when

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Speaker 3: you said it to me, I understood.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what I was.

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Speaker 1: It was Mark Thomson. He was like, like, why are

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Speaker 1: you explaining it?

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Speaker 4: Anybody with good sense knows exactly what you're saying. They

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Speaker 4: are trying not to know, or they're emotion. And it's

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Speaker 4: funny because some of these same people.

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Speaker 1: Always are like, oh, let's not move with emotion.

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Speaker 4: And then when I speak to something that is my

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Speaker 4: experience as a woman then it's emotional. That's cute. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: go see a music segment, all right, So.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go to my music segment. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: Marvin Being. You know, we was out.

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Speaker 1: In Detroit, super organized.

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Speaker 3: Marvin King Being Man, he put us all together. You know,

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Speaker 3: you had a panel in Detroit with Ice Wear, Vessel Killer,

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Speaker 2: Freeway. You know, it was so many.

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Speaker 4: Different Nipsey Hustle's brother. The brother's name, it always escapes me,

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Speaker 3: Him so much, Black Sam, Black Sam, and we had

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Speaker 1: To take the eating. We can't be leaving people out.

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Speaker 4: Since you want a name, pastor, Mike mc Mike McBride,

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Speaker 4: what's our other brother's name?

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Speaker 1: Oh lord, but.

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Speaker 2: Listen, it was a dope panel.

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Speaker 3: And there's a soundtrack and the first song off the

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Speaker 3: soundtrack is called still Here and it's the Vote or

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Speaker 3: Else soundtrack and it's featuring Benny the Butcher, is featuring

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Speaker 3: Jae Electronica, Freeway, Black Thought, Metal Feet, and Joe taking Eadie.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Joe Taker.

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Speaker 1: You know she wasn't singing on this, but you know

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Speaker 1: she she out here. She thinks she a singer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she definitely thinks she can sign.

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Speaker 3: She's actually the song is dope and it's really touching,

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Speaker 3: so make sure you go.

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Speaker 2: It's on all platforms.

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Speaker 3: Still here, his vote or else and is featuring all

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Speaker 3: all this side this name and shout out to.

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Speaker 1: Phil Agnew was Agnew?

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Speaker 4: See I knew it was somebody important and feel is

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Speaker 4: our brother.

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Speaker 1: That is yellow pain Yellow. It was a powerful it

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Speaker 1: was a.

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Speaker 2: Very very powerful discussion. My boy Smoke Dizzer was on there.

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Speaker 4: And so much music came out. I mean, music is

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Speaker 4: coming out of here.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a dope. I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: on the soundtrack, so it's gonna be on the.

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Speaker 1: S king bing king bing ing, not me king.

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Speaker 2: Make sure that you go and listen to that song.

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Speaker 2: Still here. The soundtrack would be out very soon.

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Speaker 1: And still here, Still here. That's what's up. That's what's up.

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Speaker 4: And today we are joined by a super friend who

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Speaker 4: has some information. I mean, as we've been saying, this

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Speaker 4: election is really important for us.

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Speaker 1: We don't really care who doesn't like it, right, We don't.

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Speaker 4: Care who is not interested and who's mad at us,

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Speaker 4: and who said we shouldn't be and don't this and that,

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Speaker 4: go talk to somebody else, because we we're really deeply

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Speaker 4: She's a consultant, super brilliant, you got all the things

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Speaker 4: You know, right, it is humanity when you like, I'm

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Speaker 4: So when people asked me, well, what's the first thing

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Speaker 1: I think I do it better.

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Speaker 4: Then you're in an area that does not really really

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Speaker 3: Yes, we definitely do have our sister el Joye. She

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I love that, and I gotta come here

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for both of you for inviting me today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: Joy tell us you know, first of all, let's just

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Okay, listen, we did not have a rivalry.

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Speaker 1: If nan right.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's just you know, we birthed everybody.

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Speaker 4: Many people feel like in the movement we are just

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Speaker 1: You'd be scaring me.

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Speaker 5: You say that in the elected say that too. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: You're coming in the tradition of our queen mother, which

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, she said that she's not going to

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Speaker 4: So tell us about your book, This guide for you said,

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, one of the missions of what I

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Speaker 3: So based on this book, you know what was like

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Speaker 5: Two reasons. One, you can always go to family. So

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Speaker 5: providing resources for their children's education, and so they wanted

442
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Speaker 5: the ability to be on the school board to say, okay,

443
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Speaker 5: our district, our schools need a bus, our schools need

444
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Speaker 5: proper books and materials. Right, And so they knew that

445
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 5: generation knew that it was tied to their vote to

446
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Speaker 5: be able to elect people that were making those decisions.

447
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Speaker 5: And we lost that, as you said, it was deliberate.

448
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Speaker 5: We lost that knowledge that these things of depressing. Our

449
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 5: communities were tied to these elected positions, that we needed

450
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Speaker 5: to be in those rooms, and we needed to have

451
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Speaker 5: our voice in those rooms, even if we weren't the

452
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Speaker 5: ones elected. And so that's what I try to do

453
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Speaker 5: with Sunday Civics is so to remind our communities, right

454
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Speaker 5: that this isn't just about electing somebody popular that looks

455
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Speaker 5: like you. This is electing someone that will listen to you,

456
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Speaker 5: that is responsive to your advocacy efforts, that has the

457
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Speaker 5: wherewithal to come back and engage with the community or

458
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Speaker 5: be within the community, and understanding those tools and how

459
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Speaker 5: to exercise right that civic bone that we all need.

460
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Speaker 5: I think it's really really important.

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Speaker 3: So I want to ask you this just based on

462
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Speaker 3: local levels, right, Like, what do you think the most

463
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Speaker 3: important elections that people don't even really focus on, because

464
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Speaker 3: I know there are certain elected officials that control so

465
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Speaker 3: many different things financially, the resources within the community, the programs,

466
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Speaker 3: all those things. What do you think just on a

467
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Speaker 3: local level, because everybody's going to talk about the president, Like,

468
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Speaker 3: what do you think as a person that just goes

469
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Speaker 3: to work every day, that lives inside the community, what

470
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Speaker 3: are those jobs that.

471
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Speaker 2: You think civics that we should be focusing on voting for.

472
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Speaker 5: I'd like that you brought up that point, because it

473
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Speaker 5: depends on where you live and that you know, and

474
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Speaker 5: that's the and why I provided the space for that,

475
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Speaker 5: because you know, in some places, depending on how your town,

476
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Speaker 5: how your citory is incorporated or structured, the power of

477
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Speaker 5: the budget, you know, may be with the county executive, right,

478
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Speaker 5: not the not the city council or the you know,

479
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Speaker 5: or the mayor. The mayor may be a ceremonial and

480
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Speaker 5: he sell carpets on the weekend right right, right, or

481
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 5: you know, right, and so that that he's just there

482
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 5: as an administrator or she's just there as an administrator.

483
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Speaker 5: So part of that education is also understanding that you

484
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Speaker 5: start local, don't start at the top, don't start at president,

485
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 5: don't start at governor, start local. How is my town incorporated?

486
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Speaker 5: And where is the seat of power?

487
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Speaker 2: You know?

488
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Speaker 5: Is it the city council? Is it the state legislature?

489
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Speaker 5: Who has control over the issues that I care about

490
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Speaker 5: and about my budget? Like who makes those decisions? My

491
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: brother lives in an area over in the Poconos incorporated

492
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Speaker 5: a little differently than like us here in New York City,

493
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Speaker 5: and he sits on a board that makes decisions about

494
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Speaker 5: the town's you know, money, on whether or not they're

495
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Speaker 5: going to do sidewalks or they're going to invest or whatever.

496
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Speaker 5: Those things are important. And once he got on there,

497
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Speaker 5: he was like, Oh, I guess the.

498
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Speaker 4: Way the rue like something really has. This is not

499
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Speaker 4: rules that does come from the sky.

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Speaker 5: They're people, right, And there's regular people that are my

501
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Speaker 5: neighbors that are sitting around the table making a decision

502
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 5: and no one's ever there, right, but they're making a decision.

503
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Speaker 5: And he may be at a barbecue or something and

504
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 5: hear people complain about something and not realize that, oh,

505
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Speaker 5: that is a decision I made, you know, or didn't make.

506
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: And so that's I think what's important is looking at

507
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 5: how your town, how your area is incorporated. And I

508
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 5: provide examples of that in the book of like how

509
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 5: you can find that, how you can find that out,

510
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Speaker 5: and learning what what is the seed of power in

511
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Speaker 5: that instance, because particularly nationally, everybody focuses on the big

512
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Speaker 5: cities Chicago or New York, the top one hundred cities,

513
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Speaker 5: and more than likely a lot of them are incorporated

514
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Speaker 5: the same or organized the same there's a mayor, there's

515
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Speaker 5: a city council, or there's you know, some balance or whatever.

516
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Speaker 5: But people live in a lot of different things, and

517
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Speaker 5: you could work in one area that's a town or

518
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Speaker 5: a county and live in another one that's rural, and

519
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: it's a group of your neighbors who are making those decisions.

520
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Speaker 5: And so that's why I think it's important for you

521
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Speaker 5: to understand. And it may not be that you're gonna

522
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Speaker 5: engage daily, right, You're not gonna be me and Tamika,

523
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Speaker 5: and you're gonna be like every event, every protest and

524
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Speaker 5: things like that and every town meeting. But at least

525
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 5: the issues that you care about and things that you

526
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Speaker 5: care about, and understanding who makes those decisions, where the

527
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Speaker 5: money comes from, who's it directed to, is important. And

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Speaker 5: you can look at some of our poor estates, like

529
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Speaker 5: Missis be a place like that. If you look at

530
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 5: how money and contracts bounce back and forth, it's like

531
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Speaker 5: the same people just it's like, oh, you got it

532
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 5: for two three years and then we're gonna vote for it.

533
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 5: Like over here. Meanwhile, you have some of the worst

534
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 5: education outcomes, you have some of the you know, most violility,

535
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 5: all of that kind of stuff that are depressed, and

536
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Speaker 5: so that's why it's important for people to understand that.

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Speaker 4: So what is there a portion of the guide that

538
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Speaker 4: the journal I want to call it a guide so much,

539
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: but the journal that because I guess the journal the

540
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: guide tells you what to do. The journal gives you

541
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: the opportunity to like write things and think through the process.

542
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 4: So I got it, trying to get it right so

543
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Speaker 4: it sticks. Is there a part in there or at

544
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: least can you speak to when you don't like either candidate, right,

545
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 4: and you're like, I don't want to vote for none

546
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: of these folks, but yet somebody gonna be in charge.

547
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Speaker 1: So what what would you say to that? Or is

548
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: that in the book?

549
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a very very important part. And it's something

550
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 5: I just talked about on Sunday because that's one of

551
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 5: the things that people give pushback, Right they both crooks,

552
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 5: Like I'm not voted for neither one of them. Right,

553
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: But elections and if again, you take the emotion out

554
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 5: of it, and even those of us who are celebrating

555
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: you know that it's the first black candidate or the

556
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: first black woman or whatever. Let people experience that that's right.

557
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: You don't need to. Yeah, it's not okay, let them experience.

558
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 5: That's perfect time. If you're on another wavelength, that's cool, right,

559
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: But then it's what candidate and I lay out for

560
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: ways to decide to pick a candidate for yourself. But

561
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 5: ultimately you're deciding where can I push progress forward and

562
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 5: do the least harms.

563
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: In my community harm reduction?

564
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: Right?

565
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: Like that is the that is the thing. But I

566
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 5: lay out my four steps of picking a candidate. One again,

567
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: you start with yourself, what are issues that matter to me?

568
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 5: And then looking at that the candidate's records, not who

569
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: you want to be on the ballot, but who's the.

570
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Actual is actually on the back right and who can

571
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: really win?

572
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then decide, okay, which of these candidates you

573
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: know most aligned with my values because nobody is going

574
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 5: to align one hundred percent unless you run it.

575
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Speaker 1: That was that was.

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Speaker 4: Nobody align And even then you might have disagreement with self,

577
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: especially when you realize that a big part of politics

578
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: is about compromise.

579
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 5: Exactly, and that's knowing that it is important. So after

580
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: you you know, right, you say, okay, based upon what

581
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: this person said, what their track record, is this is

582
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 5: who most aligns, this is what their record is on

583
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: the issue. The other thing is who are you more

584
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 5: likely to move or your advocacy efforts be receptive, like

585
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: are you going to elect someone that's just like I

586
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: don't care, I double down, right, like, this is what I.

587
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Believe the access to anything?

588
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 5: Right, And when we say access, we're not saying like

589
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 5: going to the White House right, right, Like we're not

590
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 5: talking about that.

591
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Speaker 3: We have people inside the administration that actually got hired

592
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Speaker 3: to do jobs that you can have a communication with

593
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: and say hey, that's close inside of that administration and

594
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: say hey, look these are the issues that we're dealing

595
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: with our community, right and they know you, and it

596
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: can relay that message to your elected officials and probably

597
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: gets you some type of meat or get something to

598
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Speaker 3: actually materialize from you know, you actually making this vote.

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00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and sometimes because you're speaking as a person who's

601
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Speaker 4: very close to the top of the food chain, so

602
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 4: you can make the call. But if you're Johnny and

603
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: you live in a certain community, you might not be

604
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 4: able to make a call ever that gets to the

605
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: people you want. But you can be a part of

606
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: joining with others that have that power.

607
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: And pushing because there's power in numbers.

608
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Speaker 4: So when we say we going to Washington about gun violence,

609
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: or women's rights or whatever, whatever cease fire, whatever the

610
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 4: issue may be, you need to be able to say,

611
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: I can send out tweet, texts, a mail, chimp, whatever,

612
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 4: all the different things, phone calls, and there's gonna be

613
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Speaker 4: one hundred, two hundred, one thousand or more Johnnies from

614
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: a particular community that.

615
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: Will be there. That's how we build power.

616
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: And a lot of people because they don't see themselves

617
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: being able to call Kamala or call whoever Joe Biden,

618
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: whoever you know, even if it's your mayor, because they

619
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: can't make those phone calls, they feel very detached. Now,

620
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 4: one phone call you can make, and one place that

621
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: you can walk into any time you want is the

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Speaker 4: campaign office and or the district office of your city.

623
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Speaker 1: Council person in your state, your state legislator exactly.

624
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Speaker 5: The congressional member.

625
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: You can walk right in the door, and the squeaky

626
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: whell gets the oil because we know you go in

627
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: there every other day, send letters, write. They will have

628
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: to respond to you because you are a constituent in

629
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Speaker 4: their district versus you trying to talk to President Soul

630
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Speaker 4: and self.

631
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Speaker 5: And I think that's important because you're evaluating is this

632
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Speaker 5: person responsive to those rights? Yes? Are they doing a

633
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Speaker 5: press conference and they're saying, I don't care how many

634
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: people come to my office, I'm voting this way, or

635
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: are they like after set deliberation with constituents in my community,

636
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Speaker 5: you know.

637
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Speaker 1: After I got my ass kick right, got barrassed or.

638
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Speaker 5: Even you know, or even got better understanding of right,

639
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 5: because we assume that politicians know everything about the issue,

640
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: and they do not.

641
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Speaker 4: They we went to Washington, you know, we walked two

642
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty miles from New York City to Washington,

643
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Speaker 4: d C. Where Carma pres and our family at the

644
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Speaker 4: gathering for justice Justice League And.

645
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Speaker 1: Why did you join us? You did?

646
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Speaker 4: You came somewhere You was at the beginning that no

647
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Speaker 4: stat No no no stat. Nyland is where most people

648
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Speaker 4: met us. Okay, So when we got to Washington, the

649
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: last part of the march was to do our advocacy Day,

650
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Speaker 4: where we went and talked to all the legislators and

651
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Speaker 4: these are congressional members.

652
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about. We went down, like you said,

653
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Speaker 1: to Alabama to talk to no no, no, no. We

654
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Speaker 1: were in Washington, D C. And the Congression.

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Speaker 4: Baby, we were having to tell congressional members what their

656
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Speaker 4: colleagues in Congress have on the table in terms of bills.

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Speaker 1: They did not know.

658
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Speaker 4: They had to be educated. They were like, oh, we

659
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Speaker 4: were bringing them together.

660
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Speaker 1: We've done that. I know you've done it in Albany,

661
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: in the state capitol of New York.

662
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Speaker 4: Especially around for us it was around raised the age.

663
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Speaker 4: Well we had to go shut it down, like completely

664
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: busting to the meat and like, what is the problem

665
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 4: up here?

666
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: Two in the morning.

667
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so people think, I mean you were basically living

668
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: up there dealing with these issues. People really think that

669
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: these folks know and that they're smarter than you, or

670
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 4: that they know. They just had the courage to go run. Yeah,

671
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: and they could raise the money.

672
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: And if there and if they're experts on an issue,

673
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 5: it's probably one or two that's not on it.

674
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: It's not all of us are in that situation. Although

675
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: the Internet would have you thinking you know everything, you have.

676
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: Everything right, That's what I want to ask you.

677
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: Does it frustrate you just watching misinformation, just being secivically

678
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: engaged in knowledgeable does it frustrate you on the internet,

679
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: just seeing people just say things that are so outlanded

680
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 3: and seeing people grab onto it like it's actually fat.

681
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something, This is when I feel

682
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: the most old. Yeah, because I scrolled through and I'll

683
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 5: see stuff and the old woman responses come out of me.

684
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 5: Now you know that don't make me Benny, you saw it?

685
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: Sound like.

686
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 5: Right, and you know I'll tell again my cousins or

687
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 5: other people calling me and I'm like, use your comments comments, now,

688
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 5: why would that? Like now, why would some why would

689
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: that happen?

690
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Just think like, just let's think that through what you're saying.

691
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: Right, And you know, it's the same thing I use

692
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 5: on my kids, you know, And I'm like, let's think

693
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 5: about this a little bit, you know, and play it

694
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 5: out and see how So that kind of thing does

695
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 5: absolutely frustrate me.

696
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: But it's also for you a person that you can't

697
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: take stupidity. It's like it really doesn't. It aggravates you

698
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: to the point who.

699
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 5: Knows, And it's I'm come from a long line people

700
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 5: that my grandmother who I'm actually named after, Joyce, would

701
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 5: say that, like you say something or whatever, just why

702
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 5: would you just bring stupid into.

703
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: The house.

704
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: Like it was and it was a cancer or something.

705
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 5: And so that it makes it extremely difficult too, because

706
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: it's there's so much things that are true to fight against,

707
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: to like to engage that when you make up stuff,

708
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 5: it's just like you don't even got to make.

709
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 6: It, have to make because that all the time, Like

710
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 6: I could find you five things that's true that we

711
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 6: should be challenging about, which at the candidate, including kam

712
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 6: La Harris, I got five or six things, and you

713
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 6: want to make up some story about you talked about

714
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 6: celebrities and their impact.

715
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: We just finished talking on the show about Janet Jackson

716
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: and like how she's like, well, I heard you had

717
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: our daddy's white like this, what right?

718
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: What are you?

719
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: We heard some things about you and your family too,

720
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 4: and we still wrack with you, and we also try

721
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 4: not to spread it as intelligent people who have the

722
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: best interest of all of us in mind. Yeah, And

723
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: you know one thing I say about you know, uh

724
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 4: as you're seeing issues that you even want to address

725
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: with a candidate that you support, you know, and.

726
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 5: I always say, you know, I say it to lectus

727
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 5: today face. I look forward to protesting you.

728
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Right like.

729
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: You're visiting right, because it's part of and literally I

730
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: have said that's a common land. She was like, come on,

731
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 5: because that is your role, right, Like, that is your

732
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: role to educate me on the process. Every photo line

733
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 5: that I've been in, I've talked to her about like

734
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 5: something else, and she has said she's like, every time

735
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 5: you come in here, she got something else. Some other

736
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 5: people so so whatever. And to people like her that

737
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 5: are committed to public service in that way, it's just like,

738
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: that's your job, that's your role, right, Like I understand

739
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 5: where you are coming from where, and it's not coming

740
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 5: from a malicious place, it's coming from That is your role.

741
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 5: My role is here and often we intersect and we

742
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 5: may be on different sides on different issues, and then

743
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 5: we can come together on you know, on different things. Absolutely,

744
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 5: and I think that that's we have to think about

745
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: those we elect as our utility players, right and that

746
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 5: you know, you pull them in when you need to,

747
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 5: you rally against them if you need to. But going

748
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 5: back to that harm reduction as you mentioned, is really important,

749
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 5: and the last one is thinking about the political landscape.

750
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 5: What is happening in the country, what is happening in

751
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: your state, what is happening in society, and based upon

752
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 5: who's running their record, their disposition, is this the person

753
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: I want to lead during this time.

754
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: That's the realist thing. And I want to just say

755
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: we always say that, we say we're not fighting for allies,

756
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: We're fighting for a better opponent.

757
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: Right, that's what we elected.

758
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 3: We want to elect the best appointed because we understand

759
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: that in government, you're going to make decisions. The government

760
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: is gonna have different you know, ideologies and understands and

761
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: have different point of views and needs that they think,

762
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: and we represent the people will have to make sure

763
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Speaker 3: that we argue on behalf of the people all of

764
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Speaker 3: the time. So if we understand that process, then we

765
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: should always feel like we have to challenge our government

766
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: officials always. But what I want to say is this

767
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: this whole ideology, Like you know, I've I've just become

768
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: civically engaged in like the last ten years. You know,

769
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm from the hood, so I really didn't pay that

770
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: much attention. But there's this ideology in the streets that

771
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: either we shouldn't vote, right, we shouldn't vote, or you know,

772
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Speaker 3: just mainly we shouldn't vte. I'm not even gonna say

773
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Speaker 3: to all, because that is that makes actlutely no sense,

774
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Speaker 3: even though shouldn't vote makes.

775
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Speaker 2: No sense to me.

776
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Speaker 3: But what do you tell the person that says they're

777
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: gonna sit home and just not vote.

778
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're not gonna vote for the third party?

779
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: Because there was a whole thing, like the was a

780
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: thing today where you know it's been. It was on

781
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: a breakfast club when Angela Roe I was talking to

782
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: Jill Stine and she asks her a lot of questions and.

783
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: There was both pushed back.

784
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: So I want to hear your perspective on another party,

785
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: you know. And then the people that say don't vote.

786
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: Okay, this is where I might get a little nerdy.

787
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 5: So you know, I mean in community all the time,

788
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: you know, in Brooklyn, and I get that question all

789
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 5: the time either I don't do politics or voting doesn't matter,

790
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: the system's rigged and all that kind of stuff. And

791
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: it's something that I address all the time out in

792
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 5: the street. One I never start with as an organizer,

793
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 5: I need you to come out and vote. I never

794
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 5: started that way. I always started where people are like,

795
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: what you know, what do you need? What's you know? Like,

796
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 5: what's what's your concern? In that way. But even when

797
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 5: I do get to the point where someone says, I

798
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: don't do politics, we shouldn't vote anyway because it's you know,

799
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: all raised, then I asked the question, then.

800
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Speaker 1: What do you do?

801
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: Like, you know, what do you do right? And more

802
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 5: often than not, you know, people might say, oh, I

803
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 5: volunteer here or things or whatever, and I was like,

804
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: what is the reason you have to volunteer for kids

805
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 5: to have food for lunchtime? Because there isn't someone making

806
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: a decision that those kids don't need the resources for

807
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: them not to eat. So you not doing politics, meaning

808
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 5: those kids don't have another advocate to make sure that

809
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 5: they are eating and their bellies are full for them

810
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 5: to learn. So you're depriving those kids of your voice.

811
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're actually you're actually going against what it is

812
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: that you actually want to do right.

813
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 5: And then talking to people, which is I think you

814
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 5: talk about, is deliberate of taking civic education. It's also

815
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 5: deliberate that we took the word power and political power

816
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: out of civic because civic is like, oh, let's go

817
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: like volunteer at the library or pick up trash or

818
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: like it's like these passive actions rather than it's about

819
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: control and wielding your political power, right, me, you and

820
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 5: others in our community coming together are a powerful voice

821
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 5: to push back against money grabbing landlords, right like us.

822
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: So they diminished right, So local we're diminishing because people

823
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 5: are afraid of the power. And that's what you're doing

824
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 5: with voting, that is what you're doing with organizing. You

825
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 5: are collectively coming together to wield your political power. And

826
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Speaker 5: in Brooklyn and DOAACP, I go a step further where

827
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 5: I tell people we're doing an action in Brownsville and

828
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 5: stuff like that. I was like, come with me, let's

829
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 5: build black political power, right and see what we can

830
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 5: do with that collectively in the state, in the city,

831
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: on the city level, and then you know, on the

832
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: national level that is scary to people that people would

833
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: come together to build back black political power. We've seen

834
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 5: that all throughout history. And so helping people to understand

835
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: that that this is about power and part of your vote.

836
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 5: That's why when I talk about that political landscape is

837
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: where will I have the most power? Right not only

838
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 5: in pushing this elected this you know, advocacy or what

839
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 5: have you. So then when you get to the third party,

840
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 5: will I have power if I vote for a party

841
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 5: that can't get the two hundred and seventy electoral votes.

842
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: Do you believe like we do, that it's time to

843
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 4: create other options, like viable options, to open up our This.

844
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Speaker 5: Is where I get a bit nerdy because this is

845
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: part of the problem. I don't have a problem with

846
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 5: like folks like Joe Sein and others or whatever running

847
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 5: like like you know, do you whatever. What I have

848
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: a problem with is that there are because these are

849
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: state by state processes in terms of ballot access getting

850
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 5: on the ballot, and we have defaulted to two parties

851
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: not only on the national level, but on the state

852
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 5: wide level, and so you have to break that stronghold

853
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 5: of two parties in order to get to more viable options.

854
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 5: There's absolutely no reason why Hillary Clinton and AOC should

855
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 5: be in the same political party. There's absolutely no like

856
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 5: like from a political idea.

857
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: Depends on how you're feeling, you might want either one

858
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: of them.

859
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 5: Depending on whatever. But there's no reason why Bernie Sanders right,

860
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 5: and you know, Barack Obama are in the same political party.

861
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 5: It does it's like it doesn't work, like.

862
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: It really turns people off because the messaging is mixed,

863
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 4: and it seems like there's a fight going on like internally.

864
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: Right, And that is because we've defaulted as a country

865
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: to a two party system, and in order to get

866
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 5: to a more representative thing, we do need to break

867
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 5: that stronghold and that comes with changing state laws and

868
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 5: changing the national process. And that's hard work that people

869
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 5: don't want to, you know, accept. So you know, you

870
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 5: could say the third party option, but that is hard

871
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 5: to do. That takes much more money. And the person

872
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: that got the closest was Bernie Sanders, right, but he

873
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 5: also did it using a two party, using one of

874
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 5: the major political parties. He didn't use the third.

875
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: Party because we know that.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I know we have to wrap up. We could

877
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Speaker 4: do this for a while because it's so much. Yeah,

878
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Speaker 4: there's so much to learn. When I want you to

879
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Speaker 4: tell folks where they can get your book, But when

880
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Speaker 4: you do that, the next thing I want to ask

881
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Speaker 4: you about is your own advocacy. Like your personal advocacy

882
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: with your husband has been to take children into your

883
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Speaker 4: home who are in the force se care system and

884
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Speaker 4: all of us. That's why I always tell people we

885
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Speaker 4: don't have to do things the same way you don't

886
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Speaker 4: have to sit in your home right now and say, well,

887
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do what Tomik Mallory does.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not gonna do it. Aljoy and MASANDU. You

889
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Speaker 1: can figure out.

890
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Speaker 4: Your own ways to impact so much of people's lives

891
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Speaker 4: who need help. And you all have taken on children

892
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Speaker 4: who who need homes, and I just want you to

893
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Speaker 4: talk a little bit about that process and why you

894
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Speaker 4: all decided to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, first of all, you can get get Vote

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899
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Speaker 5: You just have to learn how to harness it and

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905
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907
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Speaker 5: It's a really good exercise I think into Okay, let

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Speaker 5: me go through the process of making sure.

909
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Speaker 1: That I'm engaged.

910
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Speaker 5: And it's for any election, not just this one, you know,

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Speaker 5: so it's something that you can use for that. The

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Speaker 5: second piece, in terms of what my husband and I do,

913
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Speaker 5: it started from a personal space. It started from, you know,

914
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Speaker 5: a family member needing care and the government, you know,

915
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Speaker 5: acs showing up saying we're taking a baby, and I

916
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Speaker 5: was like, taking who baby? Like not like you know,

917
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Speaker 5: and it's said, no, you know, we're gonna take care.

918
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Speaker 5: And then, you know, once my husband and I started

919
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Speaker 5: that process and realized how many other you know, young

920
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Speaker 5: people are caught up, particularly black and brown children right

921
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Speaker 5: are in the system. And a lot of it is

922
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Speaker 5: because of poverty. A lot of people children are taking

923
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Speaker 5: because of privy, because I love the child, because of

924
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Speaker 5: and they classified neglect as oh, you don't have enough

925
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Speaker 5: food in a refrigerator, or do you have a stable

926
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Speaker 5: place that just because you're CouchSurfing or it's something like that. Like,

927
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Speaker 5: there's so many different reasons why children end up in

928
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Speaker 5: the system. And it's not to say that there aren't

929
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Speaker 5: very real cases of neglect and abuse, because there are,

930
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Speaker 5: but for there's a large portion of it it is

931
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Speaker 5: because of issues of poverty. And then after that family member,

932
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Speaker 5: who's now you know permanently with us, we kept our

933
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Speaker 5: license open and so far we have fostered children their

934
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Speaker 5: parents are under twenty five or twenty.

935
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Speaker 1: Five, And so you chose that area what it just so.

936
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Speaker 5: Happened to be. And you know when I talked about

937
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Speaker 5: like one of the things I say in a photo

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Speaker 5: line to the Vice President every time I talk to

939
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Speaker 5: her about foster care. Right, and even though it is

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Speaker 5: a process that is governed by states, it is a

941
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Speaker 5: national crisis certainly that was exasperated by COVID that needs

942
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Speaker 5: to be addressed in terms of the resources because it's

943
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Speaker 5: an ongoing cycle. Just our brief time of ten years

944
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Speaker 5: doing it, we've seen the vicious cycle of a young

945
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Speaker 5: person in care, they not having the adequate supports or resources,

946
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Speaker 5: They then become parents sooner than they need to be,

947
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Speaker 5: and then they don't have basic supports to be able support,

948
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Speaker 5: so now their children are taken and it's so sort

949
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Speaker 5: of an ongoing cycle from that standpoint, And so we

950
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Speaker 5: really have to focus not only as a state, but

951
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Speaker 5: as a nation and how we are addressing the needs

952
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Speaker 5: of people twenty five and under in this country. Because

953
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Speaker 5: we for a lot of things, we leave it up

954
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Speaker 5: to just the parents. And what happens when those there

955
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Speaker 5: are are no supports or the parents need additional supports

956
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Speaker 5: in order to continue to raise them and engage for

957
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Speaker 5: their livelihoods.

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Speaker 3: Well, Donald Trump said, you just need a day to

959
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Speaker 3: purge and just beat them up when they still, you know,

960
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Speaker 3: just beat the kids up they still, You rough them

961
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Speaker 3: up real, real violently, and then everything go back to normal.

962
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Speaker 2: So that's how you do that.

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Speaker 1: That's not you know, I wrote on your page how

964
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Speaker 1: I feel about that.

965
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Speaker 2: Definitely, there was definitely some what we call explotives.

966
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Speaker 4: Because I'm just so tired of it. But I I

967
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Speaker 4: just want to thank you, el joy who are coming

968
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Speaker 4: to be with us today. Get this book. It is

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Speaker 4: the get Vote Ready Journal, the journeys you got to do,

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Speaker 4: the empowered Voter.

971
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Speaker 1: And I hope that everybody who's like, what do I do?

972
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Speaker 1: How do I do it?

973
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Speaker 4: With a instead of us becoming so anxious that we

974
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Speaker 4: disengage because you just overstimulated. There are actual tools and

975
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Speaker 4: I believe that your book is a tool. Let me

976
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Speaker 4: touch it so I can feel it and put a

977
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Speaker 4: little bit of a blessing that I.

978
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Speaker 1: Have on it.

979
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Speaker 4: You know that there are real people who have sat

980
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Speaker 4: down out and said, let me help you so that

981
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Speaker 4: you are not anxious, but you're actually ready, ready to go. Well,

982
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Speaker 4: you know, she's a super friend, a super friend, l

983
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Speaker 4: Joy Williams, the president of the NAACP Brooklyn branch, but

984
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Speaker 4: also so so so much more and also an author here. Okay,

985
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Speaker 4: that's what I'm talking about. Thank you, thank you so

986
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Speaker 4: much for thanks.

987
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Speaker 3: So with that said, we're going to go into my

988
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Speaker 3: I don't get it since we're talking about civics, you know,

989
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: and I haven't really said anything about the Eric Adams

990
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Speaker 3: charges because I don't really know a lot of it

991
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Speaker 3: about it, right, But I read the indictment and then

992
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Speaker 3: I read the article that I read today just talking

993
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Speaker 3: about you know what there he's being accused of and

994
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Speaker 3: just getting a breakdown.

995
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Speaker 2: And I don't get how.

996
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Speaker 3: Someone who is an elected official, right, and they have lobbyists.

997
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 3: I've heard about having lobbyists, and they lobby for certain things,

998
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: and they lobby on behalf of certain things. And you know,

999
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: the elected officials, the campaigns are funded, they have dinners,

1000
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: they raise money, and all of these things are supposed

1001
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Speaker 3: to be that you build a relationship with the elected

1002
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Speaker 3: official that you know that you advocate on behalf of yourself.

1003
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Speaker 3: And now when it seems to me, right because I've

1004
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Speaker 3: heard this a few times that every time there's a

1005
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Speaker 3: black elected official, those things become criminal, right, And I'm

1006
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Speaker 3: not saying it is because I don't know all of

1007
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Speaker 3: the intricate things, like we don't know all of the evidence,

1008
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Speaker 3: we don't know all the things, but it actually it

1009
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: seems to me as if you being close to an

1010
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Speaker 3: elected official, you know, raising money on behalf because you

1011
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: want to see that person in power, that you believe

1012
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Speaker 3: in that person, and you having a relationship which puts

1013
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: you in a position to where you could say, hey,

1014
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Speaker 3: these things are wrong in our community or these things

1015
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Speaker 3: we need in our community, and him be able to

1016
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Speaker 3: advocate on behalf of you now with something that's ilegal,

1017
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Speaker 3: it's it's a bribe.

1018
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're being vulnerable and.

1019
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm not listen to me and I don't know, and

1020
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Speaker 3: I don't agree with Eric Adams on a lot of things.

1021
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Speaker 3: And we, like we just said, we pushed back and

1022
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Speaker 3: I've had you know, if you look at I would

1023
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Speaker 3: drink Champs interview.

1024
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Speaker 2: I sat down and I explained him to things.

1025
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Speaker 3: I didn't agree with, but as a man and as

1026
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Speaker 3: a black man, I understand that it's hard, especially in politics.

1027
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: I've watched this situation happen. This is not the first.

1028
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Speaker 3: Time, this is not the second these this same situation

1029
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Speaker 3: I've seen happen to like four elected officials black elected officials.

1030
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Speaker 2: Right right.

1031
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Speaker 3: So I'm really don't get why the you know, the

1032
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Speaker 3: the threshold right right, Why the criteria for advocacy and

1033
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: in fundraising and things seem to change when black officials are.

1034
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Speaker 1: In Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't change.

1035
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Speaker 4: And that's why I said, I'm glad that you asked,

1036
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Speaker 4: because I think, as you said, that TMI is a

1037
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Speaker 4: forum and should be for us to educate people.

1038
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Speaker 1: But also sometimes we just don't know.

1039
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Speaker 4: And when we don't know, we should not feel like, oh,

1040
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 4: we can't talk about that because we don't know. No,

1041
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Speaker 4: it's okay for us to say I don't know. And

1042
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Speaker 4: so here's the thing. First of all, yes, there is

1043
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Speaker 4: an attack on black elected officials.

1044
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Speaker 1: We see it happening all over the country.

1045
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Speaker 4: What's our sister's name in Maryland, in Baltimore, and Marilyn Moseby,

1046
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: she is on.

1047
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Speaker 1: House arrest right now.

1048
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 4: For something that is completely asinine, right, using her own

1049
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 4: money in the purchase of a home, her own money,

1050
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Speaker 4: not stealing from the taxpayers, and making a mistake on

1051
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: the application. Even if the mistake was something that some

1052
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Speaker 4: people will say it's intentional, she says that it wasn't.

1053
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Speaker 4: In fact, she says that it did not even happen

1054
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Speaker 4: the way in which it has been portrayed, especially in

1055
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Speaker 4: the media. But now she's on house arrest, and you know,

1056
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Speaker 4: I think it's asinine. You now see that Angela Asselbrooks,

1057
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Speaker 4: who's running for senate in also in Maryland, she is

1058
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Speaker 4: being accused of not registering her grandmother's property the right way,

1059
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Speaker 4: which looks very to me as an oversight. But nonetheless

1060
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Speaker 4: she's also experiencing this. You see Brian Benjamin, who has

1061
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Speaker 4: never even purchased marijuana. Okay, this is a man who

1062
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Speaker 4: Brian as our friend. He's probably the cleanest clean person

1063
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Speaker 4: I've ever ever ever met.

1064
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Speaker 1: In my life.

1065
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Speaker 4: I know Brian, and you know Brian, and we've looked

1066
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Speaker 4: at his evidence, and we've looked at all of that,

1067
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Speaker 4: and this young man's life has been destroyed, even though

1068
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Speaker 4: he's rebuilding it.

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Speaker 1: He will be fine.

1070
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Speaker 4: Before the moment, Brian as the lieutenant governor of New

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Speaker 4: York State who was about to go on and become

1072
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Speaker 4: the governor. Right, he was definitely going to be the governor,

1073
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Speaker 4: There's no question about it. He could raise the money,

1074
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Speaker 4: he had, the relationships, he had the posture of not

1075
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Speaker 4: being like a He'll say I'm a black capitalist, right,

1076
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Speaker 4: and that's something that he and I have gone back

1077
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Speaker 4: and forth on. Nonetheless, when he says I'm a black capitalist,

1078
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Speaker 4: I know there's some people who like to, you know,

1079
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Speaker 4: who are looking at more their interests in politics.

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Speaker 1: They're like, okay, I could get with him. He's not the.

1081
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Speaker 4: Liberal, super progressive, you know, against people making money type

1082
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Speaker 4: of person. So he did all the things right, he

1083
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 4: checked all the boxes, and still they took him down

1084
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Speaker 4: over something that when you look at the evidence, first

1085
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Speaker 4: of all, they've had to walk back some of it,

1086
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Speaker 4: and second of all, the individual who was accusing him

1087
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Speaker 4: was a white man who's deceased now. But also he

1088
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Speaker 4: was somebody who was a criminal already in charge in

1089
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Speaker 4: trouble for some other things. And Brian seemed to become

1090
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Speaker 4: the fish that he could give to the prosecutors and

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Speaker 4: to the United States.

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Speaker 1: The FEDS basically to why can't.

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Speaker 4: I get the US Attorneys Office to get them to

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00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 4: maybe back down off of him, or just to ingratiate

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00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 4: himself with the system. So this goes on and on

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00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 4: and on, and we could keep going, Kim Fox this

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00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 4: people running for office and people in elected office all

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00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: over this nation, black people, so cool.

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Speaker 1: The charges for Eric.

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00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: Adams, if there is evidence for those charges, real evidence

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00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: that sticks on him, they are charges that are serious

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00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 4: because number one, it's not that it's just people advocating

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: for themselves the way that you and I do.

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00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: These are business folks. These are not.

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00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 4: Community advocates who are like, oh, you know, I want

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00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 4: to see more community centers and whatever.

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00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: These are people who are making a lot of money.

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00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: And by the way, Turkey specifically is not on a

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 4: good list with America. I don't want to give the

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00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: wrong title, but I know they're on some list of

1111
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 4: like not being our friend or not being a nation

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 4: that America has a strong relationship with. So when you're

1113
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 4: in relationship with them, and then they are able to

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00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: do business with the city. And then they said that

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00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: the fire codes in the building that they wanted were

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00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: not up to par and it was like ninety different issues,

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00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 4: and they claimed that Mayor Adams called the fire department

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00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: over and over even after they declined to give them

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00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 4: the building, and they made it happen. This is what

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Speaker 4: they This is what they're saying. I'm just you know,

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00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: so if there's evidence to prove that, if there's evidence

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 4: to prove it, then we will be able to see

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00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 4: whether he was actually involved in these things that they

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 4: say happened for ten years or a longer period of time.

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Speaker 4: The main thing, though, which is the same kind of

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00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 4: issue or the same charges that they bought against Brian Benjamin,

1127
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 4: is the Straw donations, which is the ten million dollars

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00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 4: that they speak about where they say he stole ten

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00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: million dollars, and it's also the way that the media

1130
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: talks about these things. It stole ten men million dollars

1131
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 4: makes you think that he siphoned it off or put

1132
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: it in his bank account and spent it on his

1133
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: family and friends and was out partying with it. But

1134
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 4: what they're saying is that these connects that he had

1135
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 4: in Turkey, they had relationships, they took their relationships with

1136
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 4: other people, gave them money, and then those people made

1137
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: donations on their behalf to boost their support.

1138
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: For him, so that he would be indebted to them.

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00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 4: And so I look at that, and if there's, like

1140
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 4: I said, real evidence for it, I can.

1141
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: See why he would be in real trouble.

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00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 4: Now he says that the allegations are lies and it's

1143
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 4: a bunch of slander and things that's being made up

1144
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: or that is being blown up to make it look

1145
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: like he's running some type of criminal enterprise, which, by

1146
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 4: the way, it is all kinds of investigations flying around

1147
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 4: his office for different things. A couple of things I

1148
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 4: know is when I look at people who are also

1149
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 4: in the administration, like David Banks, who's the chancellor of

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01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: New York City Public Schools, and also sheen or right,

1151
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 4: and just a bunch of people there.

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01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: I could go on with the names. These are people

1153
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: that I know.

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: I know, especially the two that I named, I know

1155
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: that they would never be involved in a criminal enterprise.

1156
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 4: I know that there are many people within that administration

1157
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 4: that they would never. Ever, that's just not their character,

1158
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: it's not who they are. And I could say that,

1159
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: and if I was ever proven wrong, I would have

1160
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 4: to come back and say I apologize, But I know,

1161
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: I know that these are people who just that that's

1162
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 4: just not with it. That's not what they do. The

1163
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 4: bank's family is just not what they do. So with

1164
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: that being said, we have to before we start talking

1165
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 4: about step down, resign all of this, we really do

1166
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 4: have to be able to see whether or not this

1167
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 4: evidence is true and is tried and tested in the court.

1168
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: Because my perspective on this is, even though Eric and

1169
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: I have many, many different things that we disagree on

1170
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 4: many his support for Israel and unfortunately the way in

1171
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 4: which he either will not even address the palace in

1172
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 4: their community or the way in which it's almost like

1173
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: he mocks it. I don't like that. I don't support that.

1174
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 4: I don't like his consistent support for police officers that

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01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 4: we believe are rogue and disrespectful and harmful, very dangerous

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01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 4: in our communities.

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Speaker 1: So there's enough.

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 4: There's a list of things that I could sit here,

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: like we said, you don't got to make anything up

1180
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 4: because there's a list of things. But I also want

1181
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 4: to challenge those people who jump up and they're like, oh,

1182
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 4: that's it, you out.

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: I want to challenge those people.

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 4: You want poky though, who goes through who gets arrested

1185
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: and all of that to be able to go before

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 4: a court a law.

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: And for the evidence to prove they're wrong.

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01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: But then when it comes to him, we want to

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01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 4: have a different standard, And I just that's something that

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 4: you can be mad or you want with me, but

1191
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 4: I just don't support it. I'm not mad at anybody

1192
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 4: who says we don't like Eric Adams.

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01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: Never did and therefore we.

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01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: Feel that this is a moment when his leadership has

1195
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 4: been shown to be like ineffective and he needs to

1196
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:02,959
Speaker 4: step down.

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: But I do think that there is something to be said.

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01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 4: About these investigations that happen to be going on all

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Speaker 4: across the country to our or black elected officials.

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01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: I just I'm not with it.

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01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 4: So there's a side of me that understands what you're saying.

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01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 4: But then there's also a side that we have to

1203
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 4: be very clear that the charges against him are not

1204
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 4: a joke.

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01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: They are serious charges.

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01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: No, And I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying

1207
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 3: based on what I was reading when I read the article.

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01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 4: The article you're talking about, you're talking about an article

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01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 4: that says that the charge like it's an overcharge, like

1210
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 4: it's an overread, which is the same thing they did

1211
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: to Brian.

1212
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: And because it basically described what exactly happened to Brian Benjamin.

1213
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: So when I'm listening, I'm like, well, this is the

1214
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 3: same thing that happened to Brian Benjamin.

1215
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: And it's like, how do in what they say?

1216
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 3: The main thing that they say about these cases that

1217
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 3: there has to be quid quote pro.

1218
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 4: Quid pro pro quote fault. I can't never say quote

1219
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: quid pro quote, quit.

1220
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: Quit pro quote.

1221
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: The main thing they say about these cases they have

1222
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: to be quit pro quote. And that means that there

1223
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: has to be an established agreement between two parties that

1224
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: if you do this, then I'll do that, right, And

1225
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: that's what has to be established and.

1226
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: Based on this, and they couldn't establish it for Briant And.

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: There was no not really at all.

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01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: All they had him doing was actually just given the

1229
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: grant organization for him to do what he does with

1230
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: the kids. There was nothing that you do this and

1231
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do that, right. So, and what I'm saying

1232
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: is this.

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01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 4: And the judge said that, let's just be clear judgment

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01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: qui pro quo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm when I'm reading this article, they're

1236
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: saying the same thing.

1237
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: It's okay.

1238
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 3: Most of the time people do things for elected officials.

1239
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: This is the elect official that you're trying to get

1240
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: in that you're going to try to get But the law,

1241
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 3: the law said that you would.

1242
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: Have to know.

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01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 3: That's that's where quid quote pro quote comes in. Well,

1244
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 3: I would have to be aware that something's happening. If

1245
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 3: you decide you you're one of my constituents, right, you

1246
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: want to make sure I'm running for men, you want

1247
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 3: to make sure that I get it, And you go

1248
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: to all the whole block, like, listen, we need to

1249
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 3: donate to my songs, and you get everybody and you

1250
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: rallying off and they all donate and they come from

1251
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 3: you and this and that right, and you decide I

1252
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: don't have any well.

1253
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: Like the promise.

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01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 4: But the problem is, well, I mean, but still again,

1255
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 4: it's all about evidence, because if you alleged that someone

1256
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 4: knew or that there was conversations between a staff and

1257
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 4: team members where they were coordinating, that it's one thing

1258
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 4: to rally up your community.

1259
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: I remember one time I said to an elected official.

1260
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 4: I can't remember who it was, but I said, oh, okay,

1261
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 4: you want my mom and dad. I didn't know. I

1262
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 4: was very I didn't know. So they said, oh, my

1263
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: mom and dad. I said, oh, well, I'm not going

1264
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 4: to make them spend their money to donate for you.

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01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to give them money. And the elected official,

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01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

1267
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 4: I know it was a man, but I cannot remember

1268
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 4: who it was stop me immediately and said it might

1269
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 4: have been Jamiani. Stopped me immediately and said that is illegal.

1270
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 4: You cannot do that, absolutely not. And if your parents

1271
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 4: are to give me, it has to come from them.

1272
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: You can ask them to donate to me, but that's fundraising,

1273
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 4: but you cannot fund them giving me money. So again,

1274
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 4: that would be something where they would have to be

1275
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 4: evidence of it. Now we can speak to it as

1276
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 4: it relates to Brian, because we with Brian we know

1277
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 4: from talking to him directly. We ain't talk to Eric

1278
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 4: about this. Eric Adams, the mayor, but we have talked

1279
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 4: to Brian. We know that he had if it was done,

1280
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 4: he don't know a dang one thing about it, was

1281
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 4: never involved in anything like that.

1282
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that that is this.

1283
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe that's I don't know where Eric's I'm not

1284
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: going to try to deliberate his faith. But that would

1285
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: be a problem that you cannot give people money to

1286
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 4: give And it's not just being around somebody my son,

1287
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 4: it's also a person. Like one of the things I

1288
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 4: saw in the evidence is they're saying, like, Okay, you

1289
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 4: wanted to get you want to go to on a

1290
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 4: plane a plane and instead of you paying fifteen thousand dollars,

1291
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 4: which is the cost of the ticket, you're paying one

1292
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 4: thousand dollars.

1293
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Now should people And it's a lot of people that don't.

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 4: Even care about that because I don't care about that,

1295
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 4: Like that doesn't move me at all, because I do

1296
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 4: understand it. If I'm in relationship with you and you

1297
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 4: have the ability to give me a deal on a

1298
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: plane ticket, I don't see anything wrong with that.

1299
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Speaker 1: But the law says that that is illegal.

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01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: See I didn't know that. I didn't know that the

1301
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: law you take on somebody funding you.

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Speaker 4: Affair, yes, you can't do it. And if you no, no,

1303
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 4: now you can. Like you can't even go out to dinner,

1304
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 4: I cannot take you know, we have many friends in

1305
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 4: their administration.

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01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: When we go out to dinner, they have to pay

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Speaker 1: for themselves.

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Speaker 4: They cannot even take a dinner from us, if then

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Speaker 4: they could take it from me as a friend. But

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Speaker 4: you know, you applied to the city for which ultimately

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Speaker 4: puts me in it. But you applied to the city

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Speaker 4: for the youth centers and all of the youth operations

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Speaker 4: that you do in Newark. You're trying to do it

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Speaker 4: here in New York. Well, when you as soon as

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Speaker 4: that application is in, you no longer because now that

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Speaker 4: would mean that you are providing favors for something in return. Now,

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Speaker 4: because I'm friends with these people and there's clear evidence

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Speaker 4: of us partying together YouTube, hanging out. They know we

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Speaker 4: are friends, I might pay the bill at dinner and

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Speaker 4: that's okay.

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Speaker 1: But even then, depending on when.

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Speaker 4: It is what the conversation at the table was. Cause

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Speaker 4: if the next person who's sitting at the production crew,

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Speaker 4: this gentleman is sitting there and he said, oh, they're

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Speaker 4: over there talking about whatever, you can't even do that.

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Speaker 4: So it has to be very very You could be

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Speaker 4: talking about twerking and whatever you think, and that's cool.

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Speaker 1: But soon as you say, well, you know, we put

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Speaker 1: this application in for the city.

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Speaker 4: Da da da da da, and we're trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out the dada that becomes that that elected official has

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Speaker 4: to pay for it, and then the reason why they

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Speaker 4: do that is to cut back on people being able

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Speaker 4: to pay the play.

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Speaker 2: So well, that makes sense, you know.

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Speaker 3: So what I what I will say is that that's I'm.

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Speaker 1: With you with the everybody black, but.

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Speaker 3: It's it's definitely everybody black. I said, I said this

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Speaker 3: the other day. Black man got bad black man, damn

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Speaker 3: bad man. It's like when when we look at the news,

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Speaker 3: it's just being from were just being taken down from

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Speaker 3: all angles man. And I want to give the benefit

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Speaker 3: of the doubt, right, I want I want everybody's case

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Speaker 3: to try out in court. Right, I'm not convicting anybody.

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Speaker 3: People like, why you don't speak on Diddy? Why you

1346
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: ain't speaking because I don't know what happened with Diddy.

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Speaker 3: I know I spoke when I seen what happened with Casie,

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Speaker 3: I spoke about it.

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Speaker 2: I said that it was Carol culture. I said that

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Speaker 2: I didn't condone that.

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Speaker 3: I said, whatever he had to deal with that he's

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Speaker 3: needed to be held accountable for everything else I don't

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Speaker 3: know anything about. And I'm gonna let it play out

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Speaker 3: in the court of law. And I would think that's

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Speaker 3: what men supposed to do in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Just like with Eric Adams, I don't know what he did.

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Speaker 3: I don't and I'm not gonna sit here and pile

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Speaker 3: on another black man who's dealing with whatever he has

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Speaker 3: to deal with, because I would want somebody I went

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Speaker 3: to trial for my life, right, and I was facing

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Speaker 3: a bunch of time and I blew trial crime I

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Speaker 3: didn't commit, and I had to deal with that right.

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Speaker 2: So I understand those realities. So don't ask me.

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Speaker 3: Don't come to me and ask me to pile up

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Speaker 3: on another black man about something that I don't know about.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let that man have his then court and

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Speaker 3: if he's found guilty, then he'll be held accountable. But

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Speaker 3: he's not gonna be held accountable for me because I'm

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Speaker 3: not the judge or the jury in those situations. And

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Speaker 3: that's why I have this segment called I don't get

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Speaker 3: it because I didn't get it.

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Speaker 2: So you gave me some education about certain things.

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Speaker 4: Well, there are some people who will say, well, what

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Speaker 4: about Tory Lanes and why was that different?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: And what I would say is, first of all, we

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Speaker 4: had we're looking at the case, or you were looking

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Speaker 4: at the case. So we knew a lot more details

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Speaker 4: than most people knew because we were actually getting We

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01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 4: were like out there looking and calling around trying to

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Speaker 4: find like because for a woman to like lie on

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Speaker 4: a man and say that he shot her.

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Speaker 1: That was something that really disturbed me.

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Speaker 4: Like I was really like, Nah, this can't this can't

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Speaker 4: be but what I and so we were looking at it.

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Speaker 4: But one of the things that I I did, if

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Speaker 4: you ever go back and you look, I never said

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Speaker 4: he did it or didn't do it. I just said

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Speaker 4: stopped lying and saying that she wasn't shot because she

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Speaker 4: was and she was being antagonized. And after I did

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Speaker 4: my due diligence and my research, it became very clear

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Speaker 4: to me what was going on and what happened to her.

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Speaker 4: But what I can appreciate about you is that you

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Speaker 4: did say after you first was like he did it.

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Speaker 1: He did he did it?

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Speaker 4: Because you know, sometimes we get passionate and over zealous.

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 4: You said, you know what, actually I'm wrong for posting

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 4: this that I'm gonna take it down because it was

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01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 4: wrong for me to even come out here saying these

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Speaker 4: things without this man being able to go through his

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 4: dand court.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and that's you know, and it was wrong.

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Speaker 3: And I said that as a man, and I learned

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Speaker 3: from that situation, even though that's how I felt in

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Speaker 3: my heart, even though I knew certain things about the situation,

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Speaker 3: and we watched things play on in court. It's like,

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 3: you know, a man got caught with the gun. He

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Speaker 3: did this, and I heard the videotape, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: audio table was happening. I like, there were certain things,

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: and then I watched when he said a friend did

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01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: it and then said she didn't do it, like I

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: literally watched and said to myself this, I've seen this

1413
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: behavior before. So I made my decision based on it,

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: and I was willing to stand by, but I still

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 3: didn't want to come out publicly and say what I said.

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: I was frustrated and I was watching.

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Speaker 3: I felt like the woman was being attagonized and I

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01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 3: was trying to stand up for her, and I moved

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 3: in a way that I normally.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't move, and I apologize for that as a man.

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Speaker 3: So moving forward in this situation, I'm giving everybody the

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 3: same grace because I have way less information about these

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 3: cases than I even had a boy.

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Speaker 4: Because we literally was online digging for a court document,

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01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 4: a dialogue with Tori.

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01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 3: And just explained to him and just the way, the

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 3: way that he carried it to me was wrong. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't wish jail on anybody. You know,

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm here a lot of things that he's he's doing

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 3: things for inmates and jail, donating to their funds. You know,

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 3: hopefully he comes home, he's he's more successful, he's learned

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 3: from whatever mistakes he's made in the past. I do

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 3: not wish jail on anyone in the world, but I

1434
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 3: understand that there are consequences for your actions, right, and

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 3: you need to be held accountable.

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01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: And if you did something, then you got to deal

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: with it.

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01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: As men, we fall down, we realize we made mistakes,

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01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: and we get back up and we move forward. So

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01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 3: you know, I just want everybody to just moving up.

1441
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 3: Just understand, we dealing with a lot of dark forces

1442
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 3: right now. There's a lot going on, and black men

1443
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 3: are under attack, and I keep saying black men are

1444
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 3: damn bad. So I'm just saying, just hold the complete judgment, right.

1445
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 3: You cannot like somebody, say that you don't like somebody,

1446
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: but just hold off from paling on right, because when

1447
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 3: you pile on to somebody you know and you don't

1448
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 3: know what's going on and you just completely convict, it's

1449
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 3: hard to eat that crow you.

1450
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 4: But and I mean, you know what I feel as

1451
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 4: a woman, I feel many different ways. And this is

1452
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 4: not something that I have not said directly to puff

1453
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 4: to others that are close to this situation. After not

1454
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 4: just watching the video or Cassie, but also listening to

1455
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 4: some of the stories, It's disturbing. That's it. It's nothing else.

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01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 4: It is disturbing. It's painful. I you know, my heart

1457
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 4: goes out to Cassie because even in the midst of

1458
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 4: all of this, while it may seem like, you know,

1459
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 4: justice is coming, she still suffered and experienced something that

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01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 4: I watched happen with my eyes on that videotape.

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Speaker 1: That couldn't have been the first time. It just couldn't

1462
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: have been.

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01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 4: That's the way I feel about it, and I have

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01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 4: no problem saying that in public. Nonetheless, I know how

1465
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 4: these prosecutors work. When they give you an indictment. Baby,

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01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 4: the charges got stuff in it that you're like, WHOA,

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01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: what is this?

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: How is that?

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 4: And they make it you know, because even having a

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 4: thousand big bottles of baby oil and lubricant or whatever. Now,

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 4: while that may give you some type of thought about

1473
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 4: what could be happening, it's not illegal. And I don't

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 4: believe that a jury is gonna be like, oh, that's it,

1475
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 4: that's the convicting thing. So this but that's and that's also.

1476
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 4: But that's how we know from reading indictments. That's how

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01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 4: it works. So when you actually get court documents and

1478
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 4: you are in court and you can hear what is

1479
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 4: being said and how information is being translated, that's when

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01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 4: you start to understand like what it boils down to

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 4: what is the real truth in the end of the day.

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 4: So that's what we all will see and have to

1483
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 4: wait to see, not just in that case, but it's

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Speaker 4: a many of them life.

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Speaker 1: We got this case.

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01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 4: It's a lot going on. But anyway, so we out

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Speaker 4: of here today.

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Speaker 3: We out to hear man once again, shout out to

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Speaker 3: our TMI family. Make sure you hit us up and

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Speaker 3: DM must let us know about what topics you want,

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01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 3: Tell us you love us the best. Tell me that

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Speaker 3: Tamika is always arguing me and I'm always right. I

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 3: want to be right all the time, so we appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika is not gonna

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Speaker 3: always be wrong, but we will both always and I

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Speaker 3: mean always.

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