WEBVTT - Case 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:06.120 R and B Money. Honey, we are. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.120 Thanks take valoti. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:16.320 We are the authority on all things. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:15.960 R and B. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.000 Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank and this is 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:23.000 the R and. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:32.680 B Money Podcast, the authority. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.240 On all things R and B. Yeah. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:38.280 Yeah, yeah, you wanna be happy. Yeah, you gotta be happy. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.440 Let's get into the thick of it. Boss. We're talking 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.960 nineties R and B. What huh a guy? The ship 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:49.560 is missing? 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:54.200 Yeah today that we are still trying to capture and cancelate. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.880 Yeah in today's time, in twenty twenty four, perfect word missing, missing, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:07.000 they're missing you sing you ship? 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.560 Yeah, good to be here. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.640 I'm starting off like this. There was a guy by 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:13.760 the name of Greg Baker. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.200 If you know Greg Baker. You know Greg Baker? Oh yeah, 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.360 Greg Baker was trying to recruit me out the church 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.440 to sing R and B music. Say word absolutely. At 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:30.440 that time he's working your record, touched me, tease me in. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.800 D C New Greg's is high school no way ge 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.520 wiz brother from Heavy Dan and Boys. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.480 So you know how smoking hot you was in the 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.280 d m V you were on five. Yeah, yeah, it 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.039 was lovely. It's a lovely time. I know you reap 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:55.280 said the benefits Chocolate City Boy to listen, because I'm there. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.080 You were the recruiting tool. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:58.600 Listen to this. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.440 You two can beat this. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:02.440 Let's get it. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.720 You too can touch me, tease me. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:14.519 I was like, but the Lord, the Lord doesn't want 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.080 me to touch and tse these ladies. 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.080 He wants me to pray, touch and the greed with 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:19.720 these ladies. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.040 And I wouldn't go. But I remember that moment like 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.840 it was yesterday. Yeah great, and he was listening. You 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.000 were the selling point. He's like, you don't you want 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:29.959 this ship like this? 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:31.400 And you were it? 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.840 Yeah, chilling. It was popping to DC. And then a 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.400 year later I decided to do R and B. Come 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.959 on usmcliff and Jerry, and he got mad. He saw 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.400 me saying, now you're doing R and B. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.480 I'm trying to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.720 That's but that's but that's been my nigga ever since. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.200 We always talked about that story, man, And since day one, Bro, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.680 since day one meeting you like you're ship, I've never 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.839 heard anything anybody said anything bad about case Bro. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.240 I've never yeah, because I just try to stay out 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.360 the way, don't talk about people, don't get in the 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.320 state of myself. I do what I do, I show 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:08.720 love and I get loved back. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:09.639 I always show love. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.480 I always show love, always always got you got. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.680 It and listen and we'll get into that because we're 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.000 gonna we want to go in chronological order. But you 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.799 went toe to toe with Joe. Yeah, let's want to 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.560 throw that out there. Yeah, it's funny story behind that too. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.120 That ain't that? Ain't We're gonna get to that. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.640 Yea, We're gonna get to that. Yeah, Yeah, I just 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.200 want to throw that out there. You were toe to 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.520 toe with Joe. Yeah, yeah, ain't got to it. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.000 All right, Let's go back Joe, Case, Where does. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.160 This all start? Where does this all begin? How do 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.720 you become Case Man? They started when I was a 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.560 little kid. I got pictures when I was like two 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.200 three years old, performing for company. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:45.800 My grandmother. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.200 Her thing was all her grandkids had to know everything 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.640 by Ray Charles and everything by James Brown or he 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.040 was getting out nowhere. You had to, Yeah, you had 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.880 you had to. Okay, even if you couldn't sing or dance, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.400 you better know these songs. And she would have company. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.800 She would throw the best parties and we would have 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.520 to perform. My grandfather had the Ellis stereo system, took 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.160 up the whole wall, the microphone plugged in. We used 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.280 to have to do concerts for company. And so that's 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.120 when it started because and my pops was a singer. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.120 He used to be in Cameo back when I was 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.200 a baby. It was called East Coast. Then my dad, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.680 we're your father was in cameo. Yeah, but they weren't 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.080 Cameo at it. They were called East Coast because you're 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.600 from New York. Yeah, they were called East Coast where 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.000 they signed then or they were No, they weren't signed. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.919 They were still on the come up. And then my 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.159 mom's got pregnant. It was like, so either you keep 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:35.880 running around on the road or you get a job 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:36.760 and take care of his kid. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.080 So he got a job. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.600 But so he never got the same word up. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.280 He never Yeah, he never got to say none of that. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:43.320 He never got to wear the cap. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.880 You don't want to wear that man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.600 so it's your fut I. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.880 Know that's crazy, right, I hope I tried. I tried. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.480 I tried, my best I tried the bet. And so 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.920 he would always just be singing. He'd be like, come 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.520 sing with me, so we'd be singing, and so it 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.480 was always music in the house. It was always That's 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.400 why I don't know how to play cards, because when 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.200 the rest of my cousins was learning how to play cards, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.440 I was in the old records. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.120 When did it make sense to you, like to where 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.719 you or somebody was like, no, it's not just you know, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.279 young kid performing for company and not just the hobby 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.640 like this, this could be serious. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:20.960 Well. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.120 I always wanted to make a record, but at that 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.000 time you're talking about I was a teenager. It was 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.240 like eighty forty five, eighty six. It was a dream. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.359 I had no idea how to go about it. What 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.040 changed for me is I moved from Brooklyn. I grew 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.280 up in Brooklyn, New York. We moved to Mount Vernon. 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.120 When I got to Mount Vernon, I came out of 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.920 school and there Heavy Diver was right there. We went 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.800 to the same high school. He's right there, and it's 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.760 when is money. Yeah, yes, he had a gold blazer 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.200 that had Heavy on the window. So I'm like, so 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.080 now it's real to me because back then all of 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.480 the artists were older. It was like Kashief and Luther. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.040 But to see somebody young. I was like, wait, this 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.039 is a little more real. Then I went to the 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.840 door one day, I'll be sure was in there. So 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.680 now I'm like, because we all went to the same 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.480 high school's one high school in that in our town, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.839 so we all went to the same high school. I'm like, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.839 so I'm talking to him. I'm like, okay, now I see. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.720 And since they was popping that, everybody in the town 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.880 is trying to do music. So now I find my way, 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.039 like this one does music, this one does music. So 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.200 now I found a way. Then Puff got in the door, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.280 and then it just it just kept rolling. And your 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.080 first two your session is when I'll be sure. I 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:28.880 used to run around al and he would like kind 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.560 of teach me about songwriting and stuff. And he was 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.159 working on his album Sexy Verses. So we're sitting there 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.840 in the in the Hit Factory and he's right on. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.120 This is like this this is real history, this is real, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.000 this is real. I just want to throw out there, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:47.080 this is great. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.200 And I didn't realize that. So he's sitting there writing 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.080 at the piece of paper. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.080 The track is playing. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.440 Vincent Herbert and Cayam Griffin had done They were still 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.720 on the come up to so sitting there so I 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.960 don't know. He was like huh. I'm like, yeah, look good. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.880 He's like, nah, go sing. I'm like sing what? It 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:04.479 was no metaly with just words on the paper. He 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.560 was like, I'm gonna start the track. Just go in 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.240 there and sing whatever comes out. Mindra never sang in 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:10.680 the studio. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.000 I'm like, how old are you at this one? 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:14.840 Seventeen maybe eighteen? 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.520 Still in high school? Or well. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.960 I got kicked out of high school. When I talk 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.640 for that, they asked me to never come back. Oh 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.480 you one of those Yeah yeah, And I respected their decision. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.680 I respect, like, yeah, I was a bit much get 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.400 kicked out. Can't you guys do us why you got 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.320 kicked out? There's a few things. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.960 Here was a build up. It was some of it 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.960 was fighting. But I had this one special talent and 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.840 security came to me one day he was like, yo, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.240 you be in school on time every day. You be 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.360 here all day and don't go to a single class, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.360 but we never catch you in the hallway. I'm like, 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:51.320 it's a talent. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:52.080 No way. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.320 So first period I was roam in the hallways. Second 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.840 period I go in somebody study hall. Third period. I'm 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.400 back in the hallways. I go to fourth, fifth and 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.679 sixth period, lunch, seventh period. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.280 Were you doing three periods of lunch? 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.360 Yeah, that's places, but I'm not eating. I'm just chilling. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.119 And we had the court yard. We had dice games 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.800 and all type of stuff. It was a party for 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.320 me because my parents were Jehovah witnesses, so it was 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.480 really strict. So the only time I could be me 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.440 was that school school because the kid gonna be a 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.640 kid and I couldn't be a kid at home. So 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.600 I'm like, all right, bet, And it was like, he's 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:24.400 one of the smartest kids in the class. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:25.120 He just don't do shit. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.960 So they was like, yeah, you should probably. I showed 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.400 up to this one class. It was I think it 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.640 was English in May. School's over in June. So she's like, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:41.959 who you. I'm like, I'm like Case. So she's like, uh, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.560 I'm like, uh what Case said? You gotta drop from 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.599 this class in November. Like okay, well, I'm gonna just 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:49.520 go roam the hallways. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:50.679 That was her choice. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.960 I was in class, So that's how you made it 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.439 make sense? Yeah, was her choice, But that's what I said. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.280 The case I got caught. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.520 Shepped the case. I got caught, she kicked me out. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:01.560 What was I to do? 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.480 Did you graduate? Now? He got kid? 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.160 They sent me to the alternative school and I wasn't 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.480 going there. So you haven't graduated high school to this day, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.600 to this day. Fuck it, fuck it, I say, fuck. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:22.360 It, ladies out in the morning. The story, there's no 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.760 real moral. I was gonna try to something this ship. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.560 You don't need some hit records. You need some hit records. Yeah, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.440 it's the only way to figure this ship out. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:36.120 Yeah, pretty much. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:37.520 Because I didn't have no plan B, because I don't 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.800 believe in plan B. If you have a plan B, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.120 you set yourself up. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:41.960 Yeah. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.120 Yeah, yeah, that's what I always thought. So so what 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.760 do you sing? When alb says single comes to mind? 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.520 I went there singing nor More Freaking Women Friday night, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.480 two or three at a time, and I'm singing and 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.280 he kept it on the song. He's it on the record. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.119 He didn't give me no publishing, but whatever I was, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.240 it was the experience. Yeah, funny part. It never occurred 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.200 to me that he'd gave me published untilbout a year ago. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.000 Being he was talking, I'm like, hold up, and I 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:06.800 said it as a joke. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.200 Yeah, yeah, on my publishing taken the early nineties. Yeah, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.040 that's the thing. That's the thing. I think I got 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.960 a I got a seven hundred and fifty dollars check 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.400 for playing seven fifty on the live recording. But all 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.280 the songs I helped, right, I was like, yeah, yeah, 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:23.160 just come in. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.200 Yeah, he's never come but y'all, let me tell you. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:28.320 So. 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.319 I wrote the first song on US's first album. It's 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.920 called Baby. You know that I get make it right? 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.560 I co wrote that song. Right, Okay, you're still crispy too. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.000 He's just it's still christy. But yeah, I tried to. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.000 I see, it's a lot of us out there. You've 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.560 seen it. You've seen it. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.160 Yeah, And so I'm like, so, now, my my girl 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.400 at the time, she's pregnant. I need money. So I'm like, yo, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.840 I'm just selling my portion. They gave me a check 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.480 for four thousand. I'm like, I'm rich, but yeah, that's 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.000 that's but I sold that. So they gave me like 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.760 four thousand worked for hire, Yeah, because I needed the money. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.200 She was pregnant and I had left my job, so 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:08.600 something had to happen. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:10.720 Four thousand, four. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.600 Thousand, four thousand and wins. This is ninety three. You're 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.600 trying to put it three ninety three. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:17.720 What it really means right now? 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:22.800 Withig I was thinking eleventh grade, like four thousand three. Yeah, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.760 how many pair of guest jeans? Nigga, the guest jeans 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.840 at that time. If you go to the outlet, Yeah, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.679 you know what I'm saying that the hockey jerseys, they 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:32.800 was up about twenty some. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.240 Dollars for the guests. Jesus answered, what did he buy? 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.200 What his thousand? You didn't give it all to the kid? 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.000 I know you didn't do You didn't know. No, he 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.160 wasn't born yet. He wasn't born yet. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.640 In all, in all fairness, most of this, yeah, I'm 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.640 just using this to further the enterprise, right yeah, yeah, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.280 this for us. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.000 So you from the from working with LB now you've 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.640 started to become a songwriter. 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.560 Yeah, because he's teaching me structure and lyrics and arrangements 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.320 and stuff, which is which I didn't realize that I 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.280 had no idea, you know what I mean. I just 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.000 I would write songs. And how I started writing songs. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.319 I would write songs to the melody of other songs 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.680 that I liked, and that's how it really got started writing. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.679 But he was teaching me about structure and how to 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.720 put them together and how to make it make sense. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.679 And there's certain stuff that's so good that Al has 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.559 written on that you don't even I bet you, I 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.839 don't even realize that. The second verse for fam My Lady, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.520 don't rhyme. Never thought about that. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.640 It's so dope that you don't realize it. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.480 Don't rhyn there's no mean what we do, and it 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:41.280 does keep doing the next line to me, life would happened, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.640 no mean, And I pray that you always. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.200 Stayed with me the whole second the whole second part, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.440 don't rhyme at all. But it's so good good, And 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.160 that's what he told me. He was like, it don't matter, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.600 just make it good. That whole that whole second part 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:53.800 of that second verse, don't come. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:54.319 Close to rhynd me. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.160 But you never noticed that because it's so good. It's 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.240 so good, it's so good thing, so good. Yes, everything 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.680 about it is so good that that never enters your mind. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.120 Or Goodbye love. You don't know what's the chorus for 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.800 goodbye love guy, Because it's so good. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.520 I feel like that's the course, which is at the 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.600 end of the song. You just said you never leave me. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.440 I said, that's not the curus. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.320 The chorus don't come to the end of the song 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:24.000 after the bridge, after the bridge is good bye. That's 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.520 the curse. The chorus don't come to the end of 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:26.880 the song. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.120 Wow, I'll be sure. No, that was that was Aaron. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.439 Aaron wrote, that got it. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.280 But what I was teaching me was just to like 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.440 you said, it don't always have to rhyme, and just 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.480 about what you're saying and the melody structure. Melody is 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.160 king was the first that he would always say, because 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.840 babies know the ABC song. They don't know the ABC's, 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.400 but they know that melody absolutely, So He's like, melody, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.280 melody is way more important. But then he also was 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.000 saying stuff, so he was like, but you need to 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:55.640 be saying something. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.520 So songwriting one on one, and I was I would 0:13:58.559 --> 0:13:58.840 just stay. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.000 I'd be sitting in there why he's writing songs, like 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.400 just learning, just seeing what he's doing and how he's 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.560 putting it together and how he's and I'm just sitting there. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.200 I'm like eighteen, I'm just sitting on there. 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:07.400 You know. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:08.800 The Hit Factor had that little ledge. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.360 I'm sitting there just chilling, being quiet, so nobody will 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:12.400 notice I'm still here. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.040 H So, are you signed to him or anything? He 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.160 just he was like that, it's my young homie from 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:17.680 Mount Vernon. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.920 Yeah, it was just that I'm put him on yep 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.960 and Jojo brim being him with the best friends. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.400 Yeah, yeah, he just landed. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.440 Actually yeah, but he we've been best friends since we 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.320 was about eighteen, and so they were they were best 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:33.960 friends and that's how I got in with Al. And 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:35.600 he was like, yeah, you know we're gonna die together. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.200 You know that's ours think we're gonna die together. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.640 He was like, yo, I got you, I got you, I. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.600 Got myna teach you. So I just sat there and 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:42.200 just soaked it up. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.360 How many years are you with him? Just working and writing? 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:47.880 And are you singing? You singing? 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.720 You singing? So obviously you singing on the demos too. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.920 Yeah, I'm sing references. I gotta I got a reference 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.800 in my phone from nineteen ninety one. It's me my homeboy, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.920 Brian and Dave Hollister to a song that Kyle West 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.320 produced and Al ro Dope Man. So we singing references legends. Yeah, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.800 we singing references. That's Casey and Jojo and Dave Hollis 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.360 that was doing references too. At the same time they was, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.160 they were doing references for Tevin Campbell. We were just all. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:14.640 He had a bunch of singers that he would have 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.720 do references for him, and that was us. It was me, 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.960 Casey and Jojo, Dave Hollis, it was a whole team. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.440 He had my man t O Cross, he had all 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.480 of us just doing stuff. So we all learned from him. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.200 Yeah, that's crazy. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.920 Yeah, did you know Jonathan Hall? No, who's that? Okay 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.480 he's from He's from Jersey. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.960 Oh no, no, no, no, okay, okay, okay. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.840 So at this point when you're when you're doing you're 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.560 doing demos, you're right and you singing background, you're doing 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.280 everything you possibly can in business. Are you actively pushing 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.680 toward a solo career? 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:48.080 No? 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.760 Actually it was me and a good friend of mine, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.720 Little Bee. We were a duo called Black and we 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.760 went up to Uptown and Jimmy Jenkins said he was 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.320 gonna sign us. He loved us, and it never happened, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.080 of course, And then a few months later there was 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.720 a group that was we were in the same management 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.960 group called La Day and one of the members of 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.680 La Day got kicked out as a four man group 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.000 and they wanted me and Brian to join Lo Day. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.000 So Brian came to me. They already had a deal. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.280 So Brian was like, Yo, I'm broke. You broke you 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.960 wanted to I'm like nah. He's like, well, would you 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.680 be mad if I did? I'm like, nah, do your thing? 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.320 No hert. We spoke the other day for three hours. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.120 That's my man. I'm like, nah, you know, hard feelings, 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.040 do your thing. And it's at that moment I'm like, Okay, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.120 I'm just gonna do it by myself. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.280 So that's how you becoming. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.040 That's how it became a solart because I was always 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.160 trying to be in a group for some reason, because 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.920 I love Commission and Guy and got there, so I 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.480 wanted to be in a group, you know what I'm saying. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.280 So it never occurred to me to go solo. So 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:44.840 what's your first move? Now you solo? 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:45.560 What are you doing? 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:46.320 Ah? 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:52.320 What am I doing? Still recording just demos? And I 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.840 think it was uh Dom? What's is doms? And he 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:57.800 passed away recently to exoty Dom. He used to work 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.680 a uptown. He was like, y'all wrote a song for you, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.720 and he took me to Kyle west House, who's our's cousin. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.439 It's called all Right and if we demoed it, I'm like, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.480 and we to this day, people talk about this, so 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.280 it was dope. I'm like, yeah, did a song with 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.639 Kyle West I'm playing for every right on the cassette. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.359 And from there, I just kept trying, kept trying. And 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.920 then me and Mysa Lisa Hilton, we went to high 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.760 school together and so we were friends from all. Yeah, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.800 we all from and it's one high school. It's four 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.240 square miles. Half of that is white people, so the 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.240 other half is two square miles of us and it's 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.920 one high school. So everybody knows everybody. And she's like, yeah, 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.880 you know, I know that you're trying to do whatever. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.159 I want to help you, because she was like, I 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.040 see you know your good father to your son, and 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.439