Speaker 1: R and B Money. Honey, we are.
Speaker 2: Thanks take valoti.
Speaker 3: We are the authority on all things.
Speaker 2: R and B.
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank and this is
Speaker 4: the R and.
Speaker 3: B Money Podcast, the authority.
Speaker 2: On all things R and B. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you wanna be happy. Yeah, you gotta be happy.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the thick of it. Boss. We're talking
Speaker 2: nineties R and B. What huh a guy? The ship
Speaker 2: is missing?
Speaker 3: Yeah today that we are still trying to capture and cancelate.
Speaker 3: Yeah in today's time, in twenty twenty four, perfect word missing, missing,
Speaker 3: they're missing you sing you ship?
Speaker 6: Yeah, good to be here.
Speaker 2: I'm starting off like this. There was a guy by
Speaker 2: the name of Greg Baker.
Speaker 3: If you know Greg Baker. You know Greg Baker? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: Greg Baker was trying to recruit me out the church
Speaker 3: to sing R and B music. Say word absolutely. At
Speaker 3: that time he's working your record, touched me, tease me in.
Speaker 6: D C New Greg's is high school no way ge
Speaker 6: wiz brother from Heavy Dan and Boys.
Speaker 3: So you know how smoking hot you was in the
Speaker 3: d m V you were on five. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was lovely. It's a lovely time. I know you reap
Speaker 3: said the benefits Chocolate City Boy to listen, because I'm there.
Speaker 3: You were the recruiting tool.
Speaker 4: Listen to this.
Speaker 2: You two can beat this.
Speaker 6: Let's get it.
Speaker 2: You too can touch me, tease me.
Speaker 7: I was like, but the Lord, the Lord doesn't want
Speaker 7: me to touch and tse these ladies.
Speaker 2: He wants me to pray, touch and the greed with
Speaker 2: these ladies.
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't go. But I remember that moment like
Speaker 3: it was yesterday. Yeah great, and he was listening. You
Speaker 3: were the selling point. He's like, you don't you want
Speaker 3: this ship like this?
Speaker 2: And you were it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, chilling. It was popping to DC. And then a
Speaker 3: year later I decided to do R and B. Come
Speaker 3: on usmcliff and Jerry, and he got mad. He saw
Speaker 3: me saying, now you're doing R and B.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: That's but that's but that's been my nigga ever since.
Speaker 3: We always talked about that story, man, And since day one, Bro,
Speaker 3: since day one meeting you like you're ship, I've never
Speaker 3: heard anything anybody said anything bad about case Bro.
Speaker 6: I've never yeah, because I just try to stay out
Speaker 6: the way, don't talk about people, don't get in the
Speaker 6: state of myself. I do what I do, I show
Speaker 6: love and I get loved back.
Speaker 2: I always show love.
Speaker 6: I always show love, always always got you got.
Speaker 3: It and listen and we'll get into that because we're
Speaker 3: gonna we want to go in chronological order. But you
Speaker 3: went toe to toe with Joe. Yeah, let's want to
Speaker 3: throw that out there. Yeah, it's funny story behind that too.
Speaker 2: That ain't that? Ain't We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 3: Yea, We're gonna get to that. Yeah, Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: want to throw that out there. You were toe to
Speaker 3: toe with Joe. Yeah, yeah, ain't got to it.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go back Joe, Case, Where does.
Speaker 6: This all start? Where does this all begin? How do
Speaker 6: you become Case Man? They started when I was a
Speaker 6: little kid. I got pictures when I was like two
Speaker 6: three years old, performing for company.
Speaker 4: My grandmother.
Speaker 6: Her thing was all her grandkids had to know everything
Speaker 6: by Ray Charles and everything by James Brown or he
Speaker 6: was getting out nowhere. You had to, Yeah, you had
Speaker 6: you had to. Okay, even if you couldn't sing or dance,
Speaker 6: you better know these songs. And she would have company.
Speaker 6: She would throw the best parties and we would have
Speaker 6: to perform. My grandfather had the Ellis stereo system, took
Speaker 6: up the whole wall, the microphone plugged in. We used
Speaker 6: to have to do concerts for company. And so that's
Speaker 6: when it started because and my pops was a singer.
Speaker 6: He used to be in Cameo back when I was
Speaker 6: a baby. It was called East Coast. Then my dad,
Speaker 6: we're your father was in cameo. Yeah, but they weren't
Speaker 6: Cameo at it. They were called East Coast because you're
Speaker 6: from New York. Yeah, they were called East Coast where
Speaker 6: they signed then or they were No, they weren't signed.
Speaker 6: They were still on the come up. And then my
Speaker 6: mom's got pregnant. It was like, so either you keep
Speaker 6: running around on the road or you get a job
Speaker 6: and take care of his kid.
Speaker 4: So he got a job.
Speaker 2: But so he never got the same word up.
Speaker 6: He never Yeah, he never got to say none of that.
Speaker 6: He never got to wear the cap.
Speaker 2: You don't want to wear that man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's your fut I.
Speaker 6: Know that's crazy, right, I hope I tried. I tried.
Speaker 6: I tried, my best I tried the bet. And so
Speaker 6: he would always just be singing. He'd be like, come
Speaker 6: sing with me, so we'd be singing, and so it
Speaker 6: was always music in the house. It was always That's
Speaker 6: why I don't know how to play cards, because when
Speaker 6: the rest of my cousins was learning how to play cards,
Speaker 6: I was in the old records.
Speaker 3: When did it make sense to you, like to where
Speaker 3: you or somebody was like, no, it's not just you know,
Speaker 3: young kid performing for company and not just the hobby
Speaker 3: like this, this could be serious.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 6: I always wanted to make a record, but at that
Speaker 6: time you're talking about I was a teenager. It was
Speaker 6: like eighty forty five, eighty six. It was a dream.
Speaker 6: I had no idea how to go about it. What
Speaker 6: changed for me is I moved from Brooklyn. I grew
Speaker 6: up in Brooklyn, New York. We moved to Mount Vernon.
Speaker 6: When I got to Mount Vernon, I came out of
Speaker 6: school and there Heavy Diver was right there. We went
Speaker 6: to the same high school. He's right there, and it's
Speaker 6: when is money. Yeah, yes, he had a gold blazer
Speaker 6: that had Heavy on the window. So I'm like, so
Speaker 6: now it's real to me because back then all of
Speaker 6: the artists were older. It was like Kashief and Luther.
Speaker 6: But to see somebody young. I was like, wait, this
Speaker 6: is a little more real. Then I went to the
Speaker 6: door one day, I'll be sure was in there. So
Speaker 6: now I'm like, because we all went to the same
Speaker 6: high school's one high school in that in our town,
Speaker 6: so we all went to the same high school. I'm like,
Speaker 6: so I'm talking to him. I'm like, okay, now I see.
Speaker 6: And since they was popping that, everybody in the town
Speaker 6: is trying to do music. So now I find my way,
Speaker 6: like this one does music, this one does music. So
Speaker 6: now I found a way. Then Puff got in the door,
Speaker 6: and then it just it just kept rolling. And your
Speaker 6: first two your session is when I'll be sure. I
Speaker 6: used to run around al and he would like kind
Speaker 6: of teach me about songwriting and stuff. And he was
Speaker 6: working on his album Sexy Verses. So we're sitting there
Speaker 6: in the in the Hit Factory and he's right on.
Speaker 2: This is like this this is real history, this is real,
Speaker 2: this is real. I just want to throw out there,
Speaker 2: this is great.
Speaker 6: And I didn't realize that. So he's sitting there writing
Speaker 6: at the piece of paper.
Speaker 4: The track is playing.
Speaker 6: Vincent Herbert and Cayam Griffin had done They were still
Speaker 6: on the come up to so sitting there so I
Speaker 6: don't know. He was like huh. I'm like, yeah, look good.
Speaker 6: He's like, nah, go sing. I'm like sing what? It
Speaker 6: was no metaly with just words on the paper. He
Speaker 6: was like, I'm gonna start the track. Just go in
Speaker 6: there and sing whatever comes out. Mindra never sang in
Speaker 6: the studio.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how old are you at this one?
Speaker 6: Seventeen maybe eighteen?
Speaker 2: Still in high school? Or well.
Speaker 6: I got kicked out of high school. When I talk
Speaker 6: for that, they asked me to never come back. Oh
Speaker 6: you one of those Yeah yeah, And I respected their decision.
Speaker 3: I respect, like, yeah, I was a bit much get
Speaker 3: kicked out. Can't you guys do us why you got
Speaker 3: kicked out? There's a few things.
Speaker 6: Here was a build up. It was some of it
Speaker 6: was fighting. But I had this one special talent and
Speaker 6: security came to me one day he was like, yo,
Speaker 6: you be in school on time every day. You be
Speaker 6: here all day and don't go to a single class,
Speaker 6: but we never catch you in the hallway. I'm like,
Speaker 6: it's a talent.
Speaker 4: No way.
Speaker 6: So first period I was roam in the hallways. Second
Speaker 6: period I go in somebody study hall. Third period. I'm
Speaker 6: back in the hallways. I go to fourth, fifth and
Speaker 6: sixth period, lunch, seventh period.
Speaker 2: Were you doing three periods of lunch?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's places, but I'm not eating. I'm just chilling.
Speaker 6: And we had the court yard. We had dice games
Speaker 6: and all type of stuff. It was a party for
Speaker 6: me because my parents were Jehovah witnesses, so it was
Speaker 6: really strict. So the only time I could be me
Speaker 6: was that school school because the kid gonna be a
Speaker 6: kid and I couldn't be a kid at home. So
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, bet, And it was like, he's
Speaker 6: one of the smartest kids in the class.
Speaker 2: He just don't do shit.
Speaker 6: So they was like, yeah, you should probably. I showed
Speaker 6: up to this one class. It was I think it
Speaker 6: was English in May. School's over in June. So she's like,
Speaker 6: who you. I'm like, I'm like Case. So she's like, uh,
Speaker 6: I'm like, uh what Case said? You gotta drop from
Speaker 6: this class in November. Like okay, well, I'm gonna just
Speaker 6: go roam the hallways.
Speaker 4: That was her choice.
Speaker 5: I was in class, So that's how you made it
Speaker 5: make sense? Yeah, was her choice, But that's what I said.
Speaker 5: The case I got caught.
Speaker 2: Shepped the case. I got caught, she kicked me out.
Speaker 6: What was I to do?
Speaker 2: Did you graduate? Now? He got kid?
Speaker 6: They sent me to the alternative school and I wasn't
Speaker 6: going there. So you haven't graduated high school to this day,
Speaker 6: to this day. Fuck it, fuck it, I say, fuck.
Speaker 3: It, ladies out in the morning. The story, there's no
Speaker 3: real moral. I was gonna try to something this ship.
Speaker 3: You don't need some hit records. You need some hit records. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the only way to figure this ship out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 6: Because I didn't have no plan B, because I don't
Speaker 6: believe in plan B. If you have a plan B,
Speaker 6: you set yourself up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what I always thought. So so what
Speaker 3: do you sing? When alb says single comes to mind?
Speaker 6: I went there singing nor More Freaking Women Friday night,
Speaker 6: two or three at a time, and I'm singing and
Speaker 6: he kept it on the song. He's it on the record.
Speaker 6: He didn't give me no publishing, but whatever I was,
Speaker 6: it was the experience. Yeah, funny part. It never occurred
Speaker 6: to me that he'd gave me published untilbout a year ago.
Speaker 6: Being he was talking, I'm like, hold up, and I
Speaker 6: said it as a joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, on my publishing taken the early nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the thing. That's the thing. I think I got
Speaker 3: a I got a seven hundred and fifty dollars check
Speaker 3: for playing seven fifty on the live recording. But all
Speaker 3: the songs I helped, right, I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: just come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's never come but y'all, let me tell you.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 6: I wrote the first song on US's first album. It's
Speaker 6: called Baby. You know that I get make it right?
Speaker 4: I co wrote that song. Right, Okay, you're still crispy too.
Speaker 2: He's just it's still christy. But yeah, I tried to.
Speaker 2: I see, it's a lot of us out there. You've
Speaker 2: seen it. You've seen it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I'm like, so, now, my my girl
Speaker 6: at the time, she's pregnant. I need money. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 6: I'm just selling my portion. They gave me a check
Speaker 6: for four thousand. I'm like, I'm rich, but yeah, that's
Speaker 6: that's but I sold that. So they gave me like
Speaker 6: four thousand worked for hire, Yeah, because I needed the money.
Speaker 6: She was pregnant and I had left my job, so
Speaker 6: something had to happen.
Speaker 2: Four thousand, four.
Speaker 6: Thousand, four thousand and wins. This is ninety three. You're
Speaker 6: trying to put it three ninety three.
Speaker 2: What it really means right now?
Speaker 3: Withig I was thinking eleventh grade, like four thousand three. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how many pair of guest jeans? Nigga, the guest jeans
Speaker 3: at that time. If you go to the outlet, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying that the hockey jerseys, they
Speaker 3: was up about twenty some.
Speaker 2: Dollars for the guests. Jesus answered, what did he buy?
Speaker 2: What his thousand? You didn't give it all to the kid?
Speaker 2: I know you didn't do You didn't know. No, he
Speaker 2: wasn't born yet. He wasn't born yet.
Speaker 6: In all, in all fairness, most of this, yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: just using this to further the enterprise, right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: this for us.
Speaker 5: So you from the from working with LB now you've
Speaker 5: started to become a songwriter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he's teaching me structure and lyrics and arrangements
Speaker 6: and stuff, which is which I didn't realize that I
Speaker 6: had no idea, you know what I mean. I just
Speaker 6: I would write songs. And how I started writing songs.
Speaker 6: I would write songs to the melody of other songs
Speaker 6: that I liked, and that's how it really got started writing.
Speaker 6: But he was teaching me about structure and how to
Speaker 6: put them together and how to make it make sense.
Speaker 6: And there's certain stuff that's so good that Al has
Speaker 6: written on that you don't even I bet you, I
Speaker 6: don't even realize that. The second verse for fam My Lady,
Speaker 6: don't rhyme. Never thought about that.
Speaker 2: It's so dope that you don't realize it.
Speaker 3: Don't rhyn there's no mean what we do, and it
Speaker 3: does keep doing the next line to me, life would happened,
Speaker 3: no mean, And I pray that you always.
Speaker 6: Stayed with me the whole second the whole second part,
Speaker 6: don't rhyme at all. But it's so good good, And
Speaker 6: that's what he told me. He was like, it don't matter,
Speaker 6: just make it good. That whole that whole second part
Speaker 6: of that second verse, don't come.
Speaker 4: Close to rhynd me.
Speaker 6: But you never noticed that because it's so good. It's
Speaker 6: so good, it's so good thing, so good. Yes, everything
Speaker 6: about it is so good that that never enters your mind.
Speaker 6: Or Goodbye love. You don't know what's the chorus for
Speaker 6: goodbye love guy, Because it's so good.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the course, which is at the
Speaker 2: end of the song. You just said you never leave me.
Speaker 2: I said, that's not the curus.
Speaker 6: The chorus don't come to the end of the song
Speaker 6: after the bridge, after the bridge is good bye. That's
Speaker 6: the curse. The chorus don't come to the end of
Speaker 6: the song.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'll be sure. No, that was that was Aaron.
Speaker 4: Aaron wrote, that got it.
Speaker 6: But what I was teaching me was just to like
Speaker 6: you said, it don't always have to rhyme, and just
Speaker 6: about what you're saying and the melody structure. Melody is
Speaker 6: king was the first that he would always say, because
Speaker 6: babies know the ABC song. They don't know the ABC's,
Speaker 6: but they know that melody absolutely, So He's like, melody,
Speaker 6: melody is way more important. But then he also was
Speaker 6: saying stuff, so he was like, but you need to
Speaker 6: be saying something.
Speaker 2: So songwriting one on one, and I was I would
Speaker 2: just stay.
Speaker 6: I'd be sitting in there why he's writing songs, like
Speaker 6: just learning, just seeing what he's doing and how he's
Speaker 6: putting it together and how he's and I'm just sitting there.
Speaker 6: I'm like eighteen, I'm just sitting on there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The Hit Factor had that little ledge.
Speaker 6: I'm sitting there just chilling, being quiet, so nobody will
Speaker 6: notice I'm still here.
Speaker 5: H So, are you signed to him or anything? He
Speaker 5: just he was like that, it's my young homie from
Speaker 5: Mount Vernon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just that I'm put him on yep
Speaker 6: and Jojo brim being him with the best friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he just landed.
Speaker 6: Actually yeah, but he we've been best friends since we
Speaker 6: was about eighteen, and so they were they were best
Speaker 6: friends and that's how I got in with Al. And
Speaker 6: he was like, yeah, you know we're gonna die together.
Speaker 6: You know that's ours think we're gonna die together.
Speaker 4: He was like, yo, I got you, I got you, I.
Speaker 6: Got myna teach you. So I just sat there and
Speaker 6: just soaked it up.
Speaker 5: How many years are you with him? Just working and writing?
Speaker 5: And are you singing? You singing?
Speaker 2: You singing? So obviously you singing on the demos too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sing references. I gotta I got a reference
Speaker 6: in my phone from nineteen ninety one. It's me my homeboy,
Speaker 6: Brian and Dave Hollister to a song that Kyle West
Speaker 6: produced and Al ro Dope Man. So we singing references legends. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we singing references. That's Casey and Jojo and Dave Hollis
Speaker 6: that was doing references too. At the same time they was,
Speaker 6: they were doing references for Tevin Campbell. We were just all.
Speaker 6: He had a bunch of singers that he would have
Speaker 6: do references for him, and that was us. It was me,
Speaker 6: Casey and Jojo, Dave Hollis, it was a whole team.
Speaker 6: He had my man t O Cross, he had all
Speaker 6: of us just doing stuff. So we all learned from him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you know Jonathan Hall? No, who's that? Okay
Speaker 4: he's from He's from Jersey.
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 5: So at this point when you're when you're doing you're
Speaker 5: doing demos, you're right and you singing background, you're doing
Speaker 5: everything you possibly can in business. Are you actively pushing
Speaker 5: toward a solo career?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Actually it was me and a good friend of mine,
Speaker 6: Little Bee. We were a duo called Black and we
Speaker 6: went up to Uptown and Jimmy Jenkins said he was
Speaker 6: gonna sign us. He loved us, and it never happened,
Speaker 6: of course, And then a few months later there was
Speaker 6: a group that was we were in the same management
Speaker 6: group called La Day and one of the members of
Speaker 6: La Day got kicked out as a four man group
Speaker 6: and they wanted me and Brian to join Lo Day.
Speaker 6: So Brian came to me. They already had a deal.
Speaker 6: So Brian was like, Yo, I'm broke. You broke you
Speaker 6: wanted to I'm like nah. He's like, well, would you
Speaker 6: be mad if I did? I'm like, nah, do your thing?
Speaker 2: No hert. We spoke the other day for three hours.
Speaker 6: That's my man. I'm like, nah, you know, hard feelings,
Speaker 6: do your thing. And it's at that moment I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna do it by myself.
Speaker 2: So that's how you becoming.
Speaker 6: That's how it became a solart because I was always
Speaker 6: trying to be in a group for some reason, because
Speaker 6: I love Commission and Guy and got there, so I
Speaker 6: wanted to be in a group, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So it never occurred to me to go solo. So
Speaker 6: what's your first move? Now you solo?
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 5: Ah?
Speaker 6: What am I doing? Still recording just demos? And I
Speaker 6: think it was uh Dom? What's is doms? And he
Speaker 6: passed away recently to exoty Dom. He used to work
Speaker 6: a uptown. He was like, y'all wrote a song for you,
Speaker 6: and he took me to Kyle west House, who's our's cousin.
Speaker 6: It's called all Right and if we demoed it, I'm like,
Speaker 6: and we to this day, people talk about this, so
Speaker 6: it was dope. I'm like, yeah, did a song with
Speaker 6: Kyle West I'm playing for every right on the cassette.
Speaker 6: And from there, I just kept trying, kept trying. And
Speaker 6: then me and Mysa Lisa Hilton, we went to high
Speaker 6: school together and so we were friends from all. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we all from and it's one high school. It's four
Speaker 6: square miles. Half of that is white people, so the
Speaker 6: other half is two square miles of us and it's
Speaker 6: one high school. So everybody knows everybody. And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, I know that you're trying to do whatever.
Speaker 6: I want to help you, because she was like, I
Speaker 6: see you know your good father to your son, and
Speaker 6: I like family men and this and that. So she
Speaker 6: gets faith evidence to write a song for me called
Speaker 6: Don't be Afraid.
Speaker 2: Crazy Drops. This is so crazy, you gots we gotta
Speaker 2: keep the track of that.
Speaker 3: We just ticker every time a legendary name is drug.
Speaker 2: So she wrote a song called Don't Be Afraid.
Speaker 6: I had signed with this guy, Kenny Smooth, who was
Speaker 6: signed to Eddie f for Touchable Untouchable. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 6: all connected, you know what I mean? And then Russell
Speaker 6: was Russell and Leo were looking for They was like
Speaker 6: they wanted the R and B singer like d m X.
Speaker 6: I'm like, this is Leo's words, I swear. He was like,
Speaker 6: would the R and B singer that? When he finished,
Speaker 6: you get off the stage and fucking rob you Like,
Speaker 6: I don't know about that, but okay, I see what
Speaker 6: you mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, you did get kicked out of school.
Speaker 6: I didn't rob nobody, not in high school, but you
Speaker 6: could have used it. No, I got what him men,
Speaker 6: I'm like, I got you. So I stole somebody's desk
Speaker 6: he signed, Yeah, so this is me.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Russell heard it. He loved it. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm signing.
Speaker 6: And the funny part, I'm the last artist that Russell
Speaker 6: personally signed to death jam l was the first ever
Speaker 6: in the last ever oh shit, wow, yeah, the last
Speaker 6: artist yep.
Speaker 5: So did you come with the record, because obviously you
Speaker 5: were already working with Kenny smooth Right who produced Touched
Speaker 5: Me tas Right.
Speaker 6: Well, all we have was Don't be Afraid. Don't Be Afraid.
Speaker 6: It was supposed to be the first single, that was
Speaker 6: setting stone for I signed my deal in like March
Speaker 6: of ninety five, all the way up to we didn't
Speaker 6: do Touch Me, Tease Me till Christmas Eve of ninety five.
Speaker 6: Why did they let Russell hear it? He's like, scrap everything.
Speaker 6: That's the first single. I'm like, y'all just messed up,
Speaker 6: that's what you're thinking. Yeah, y'all messed up because it
Speaker 6: was a better It was a bigger record than Don't
Speaker 6: Be Afraid was ever going to be.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's why you don't.
Speaker 6: Let him hear that now, because for the past year
Speaker 6: that was the play Don't be Afraid, and then we'll
Speaker 6: have something else. That was the something else. They let
Speaker 6: Russell here it, and so that ends up being the
Speaker 6: first single, and you're not changing Russell's mind.
Speaker 2: You can maybe you're not changing if you play me,
Speaker 2: touch Me, Tease Me, you're not changed. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: would you play it for him? So you wanted a
Speaker 2: set up? Yeah, yeah, definitely, okay, But.
Speaker 5: Okay, now in hindsight, in hindsight, and obviously this was
Speaker 5: a different time than the music businesses.
Speaker 2: Now where you need to put your best foot forward.
Speaker 5: This was a time where people had set up records,
Speaker 5: get people, go and get the interest.
Speaker 2: So is that how you're thinking of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, instead of listen, I got a smash in the
Speaker 5: world needs to hear the smash the smash.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me tell you. I can't pick a up
Speaker 6: temper record to save my life. I could pick a
Speaker 6: ballot in my sleep. What I went by was everybody
Speaker 6: else's reaction.
Speaker 2: This is dope.
Speaker 6: They're like, you create them, Like, okay, this is dope.
Speaker 6: So no, I didn't know everybody else's reaction, and I
Speaker 6: keep a bunch of no people around me. I don't
Speaker 6: mess with yes people. When all of no people are
Speaker 6: saying hell yeah, that's what made me know it was
Speaker 6: a smash, right, But I'm like, don't put because here's
Speaker 6: the thing. They wanted to put it on the soundtrack,
Speaker 6: and that's what Russell said. This is going on one
Speaker 6: hundred million dollars soundtrack. So what ended up happening is
Speaker 6: Touch Me, Teach Me went platinum. The soundtrack went platinum.
Speaker 6: But now when my album comes. Nobody's buying an album
Speaker 6: because it touched me. TV really shot out load. They
Speaker 6: already have it, and that was the problem that was,
Speaker 6: that was the problem that I had. I saw that
Speaker 6: one coming.
Speaker 4: Right, so.
Speaker 2: Kind of a good problem. Yeah, it's definitely that. It's
Speaker 2: definitely a good problem in hindsight.
Speaker 6: But at the time, I'm like, damn, we might have
Speaker 6: just messed up because in my mind, I'm like, I
Speaker 6: don't know how many shots i'mnna get at this, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, And also at that time, like you know, when
Speaker 3: you're when you're in it at the moment, you don't
Speaker 3: know that you're making generational records right right. You don't
Speaker 3: know that you have a record that is now going
Speaker 3: to be played in clubs.
Speaker 6: Every party four yeah, every party.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I had no idea. I had no idea if it
Speaker 6: was even good or not. I had to ask people,
Speaker 6: So did you know Foxy already?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: What happened was we were trying to we had the
Speaker 6: record done and we did a Christmas like I said,
Speaker 6: and we was like we need a rapper. He was like,
Speaker 6: let's get a female rapper. So He's like, left eye, Nah,
Speaker 6: Lauren Hill. Nah, little Kim went through the whole lesson.
Speaker 6: Then somebody was like, yo, Foxy And this is when
Speaker 6: a Shatcha came out and she was starting a bubbles
Speaker 6: like yo, she's right on our label. Nobody thought of that,
Speaker 6: called that. She came in did it one night?
Speaker 4: She went crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was crazy. She killed that record too.
Speaker 6: I got a picture of me and her in the booth.
Speaker 6: I got a forty of Saint eyes in my head. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I had a forty eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess so it was just what I guess,
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a picture of us in the studio in
Speaker 6: the I got a forty of Sayan eyes and we
Speaker 6: was laughing about something. But yeah, that's how we end
Speaker 6: up getting Foxy because we was like, we need a
Speaker 6: we need a female rapper, and we're just trying to
Speaker 6: figure out who right.
Speaker 3: Give me because at that time, like promo tour was
Speaker 3: a thing, right, Yeah, to put you on a promo
Speaker 3: tour and then you get to watch the audience build.
Speaker 3: If you have that kind of record, you get to
Speaker 3: see it go from seventy five people to seventy five hundred.
Speaker 4: Give me that.
Speaker 3: That layout in terms of you get on that first
Speaker 3: van and go do your first.
Speaker 6: Well, my first promo tour wasn't like that. The second
Speaker 6: one was the first my first promo tour. They had
Speaker 6: an event. They had a remember the briefcase from the
Speaker 6: beginning to touch Me Teach Me video. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 6: they had the briefcase and it was filled with money
Speaker 6: and they had it was intimate clubs up and down
Speaker 6: the up and down the East Coast, and there was
Speaker 6: a contest and the winner, whoever's key opened it, won
Speaker 6: the money. Okay, So the audience didn't really build because
Speaker 6: the record was a hit and it was it was
Speaker 6: real intimate, so it wasn't really shows. And I would
Speaker 6: sing touch Me, Teach Me and only touch Me teach
Speaker 6: Me until I got to Atlanta. We get to Atlanta
Speaker 6: because Kevin I was like Noah, only saying touch me.
Speaker 6: Nobody wants to hear a bunch of records they don't know,
Speaker 6: so I'm like, okay, he knows better than me. So
Speaker 6: it's me and Foxy Wing in Atlanta, pulling up. It's
Speaker 6: so packed that there's cars parked on the highway and
Speaker 6: people is walking from the highway to the club. It's
Speaker 6: a jam packed, so were in the back. I'm like, y,
Speaker 6: you're about to get busy. We go out on the
Speaker 6: dance floor and Foxy almost slipped. Somebody spilled beer, so
Speaker 6: stop the music. We go in the back while they
Speaker 6: get it cleaned up. Go back out. Now it feels
Speaker 6: like we're still on ice. So we performed We Stand
Speaker 6: in One Spot. DJ plays the wrong version. He plays
Speaker 6: the version of touching me, tease me without Foxy, so
Speaker 6: she did her second verse, but first verse was all
Speaker 6: messed up, and he told me don't sing any other records.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, good night.
Speaker 4: It was like.
Speaker 6: Boo, I'm like I called that Jay. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: from now on, I'm doing what I want. And the
Speaker 6: next show is in Detroit, and I did a whole show.
Speaker 6: People's like I was in Atlanta. How come you didn't
Speaker 6: do that? I'm like listening to somebody else. So my
Speaker 6: first promo tour wasn't really like what you' The second
Speaker 6: one was like that, But the first one wasn't like that.
Speaker 6: It was real intimate.
Speaker 3: So by the time it got to the second one,
Speaker 3: you was they they was packing it up for y'allready.
Speaker 6: No, not really, because this was the thing, and I
Speaker 6: feed off of people not believing in me. I don't
Speaker 6: know why more than our feed off of people believing it.
Speaker 6: And the knock on me was, yeah, he can't really
Speaker 6: sing because touch me teaching. Anybody could sing that, and
Speaker 6: I agree. And so when it came time to do
Speaker 6: the second album, Keith Al was in Leo's office.
Speaker 2: He played Faded Pictures and.
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, Joe, this is Joe's record, but
Speaker 6: he wants to do it as a duet. So Leo
Speaker 6: was like, what about Case. Yeah, Case can't really sing.
Speaker 6: I had just recorded Happily of After, so he was like, Kathy,
Speaker 6: bring that fucking Case record in here. So he plays
Speaker 6: it and then he calls me in there. So I'm
Speaker 6: standing there. I'm like, what's up. He's like, just sit down,
Speaker 6: you little motherfucker. So I'm sitting there and he's playing
Speaker 6: Happily of After. Keith I was like, oh, yeah, never mind.
Speaker 6: He's like, what you're doing this song with Joe, And
Speaker 6: that's how we ended up doing it. So they weren't
Speaker 6: packing it out because it wasn't there yet, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. And the first single from the next
Speaker 6: album was Faded pictures, so I had to kind of
Speaker 6: build that up and that so.
Speaker 2: Was faded pictures of soundtrack record too.
Speaker 6: He was on rush out.
Speaker 5: Because I noticed that, like you were, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: kind of the king of the soundtracks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, all your songs on the sound.
Speaker 5: Depth cham they those were those were all controlled by
Speaker 5: all these soundtracks were controlled back then by depth jam
Speaker 5: and it seemed like that's how they were launching all
Speaker 5: of your music.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because what people don't realize is that when you
Speaker 6: do it on the movie soundtrack, the movie company pays
Speaker 6: half of these half of.
Speaker 2: Them all half talking about the business and so yeah.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, if I can spend half the
Speaker 6: money for the promotion, sure you can put it on
Speaker 6: the soundtrack. The downside to that is, like I said,
Speaker 6: from they're buying it from the soundtracks. So unless you
Speaker 6: got something else coming, you're gonna be kind of asked out.
Speaker 6: The soundtrack is going to sell and then when you
Speaker 6: drop yours and that, and I learned that from the
Speaker 6: first time, So I made sure it didn't happen the
Speaker 6: second time.
Speaker 5: What do you mean you you made sure it didn't
Speaker 5: happen the second time as far as because you said
Speaker 5: it having something to you had another record, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: I had it.
Speaker 6: I haven't locked and loaded this time, Okay, yeah. And
Speaker 6: that was Happily of After ye.
Speaker 5: Because we jumping because he said that you're gonna give
Speaker 5: us a story about this this you know this this
Speaker 5: Joe thing man and y'all rocking again.
Speaker 2: That that's that was it.
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, you can't really saying this and that,
Speaker 6: and then he played Happily of After. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: happily of after. He was like, okay, yeah, never mind,
Speaker 6: and then we end up doing the record.
Speaker 2: Because who produced happily after Joe? Christ Hendon produced Happily
Speaker 2: ever After?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Christina, Yeah, but but Joe because we we love
Speaker 6: Joe here, yes, we all love that's my guy.
Speaker 2: The experience of did y'all even know each other yet?
Speaker 6: No, I actually don't think we had ever met at
Speaker 6: that time.
Speaker 5: But this wasn't the age of I'm gonna send you
Speaker 5: the m P three and we got you gotta get
Speaker 5: in this, you gotta get in the studio.
Speaker 6: And the first night we got in the studio, I
Speaker 6: bought a bunch of okay, somebody bought a bunch of strippers.
Speaker 2: You just said you. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: Ahead you think the drugs you're looking for him?
Speaker 2: I hit you tonight?
Speaker 6: Do you think I said that?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: So the strippers somehow they appeared, okay, faded pictures, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was that.
Speaker 6: It was a different time, right. So we got a dice.
Speaker 6: So then Joe got a somebody brought an envelope of money.
Speaker 6: He had like ten thousands. So I pull out the dice.
Speaker 6: So we got a dice game game. He takes all
Speaker 6: my money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So now I'm like, nah, I'm putting up jewelry. And
Speaker 6: it was like, yo, this game is over. So then
Speaker 6: the session is getting done whatever, and at the end
Speaker 6: said the death day was like, you guys sound drunk,
Speaker 6: Like I don't know why that is, but okay, So
Speaker 6: then we went back like two nights later. Yeah, so
Speaker 6: then I go we go back like two day later.
Speaker 2: We knock it out. It was fine. So so y'all
Speaker 2: had to sing that twice?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I had to sing all of mine. His
Speaker 6: parts was pretty much done except for the new stuff
Speaker 6: that we added. Yeah, yeah, we gotta do it again.
Speaker 6: But it was it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun. This is the R and B stories.
Speaker 2: We love those days.
Speaker 4: Man, when somebody showed up with a bunch of strippers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Some dice and some you got to die. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah had some. I didn't know you got that. Like, man, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm move a little dice in my time. I learned
Speaker 3: from you know, I can stituent here.
Speaker 2: I stopped. I stopped with me attached to my keys.
Speaker 2: I learned my lesson. No, no, no, no, we got
Speaker 2: rid of Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you had the trick dice.
Speaker 3: No not see look what you're no, they're not trick dice.
Speaker 3: He just he just don't see this niggas lucky.
Speaker 2: I just don't play fifteen thousands of years ago. You know,
Speaker 2: you know he waiting on the song.
Speaker 3: This man is waiting on the life changes, taking his
Speaker 3: money in his pockets, in his pockets.
Speaker 2: He was just kind of man.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we was trying to pass the time when
Speaker 6: it passed, was trying to pass be mad.
Speaker 2: I was mad as hell. I know that feeling.
Speaker 6: You're like, I don't even want sing this ship.
Speaker 4: But it all back with the hit record.
Speaker 6: Yeah that makes sense now, and it makes sense that night.
Speaker 2: It's that night.
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I'll never forget you for the ship.
Speaker 2: So that night you mad as hell.
Speaker 4: What is your first tour?
Speaker 6: First tour was me, Drew Hill, Faith Evans, a man
Speaker 6: and total I was cooking And that was the tour
Speaker 6: that I And that was I had my tour bus,
Speaker 6: had my whole album cover on. Of course, I was like, course,
Speaker 6: I got pictures up in my pharm. I was like, man,
Speaker 6: look at this. You had a little yellow, yellow camera.
Speaker 6: So that was the tour win because Happily of After
Speaker 6: was out. So I remember the first show was in
Speaker 6: DC at Constitution Hall.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 6: So I get on stage and everybody knew faded pictures
Speaker 6: and touched me, tease me. When Happily After came, they
Speaker 6: sat there. It was like two people clapped. They sat
Speaker 6: and when I hit the long note literally then when
Speaker 6: I hit the long note, that then a bide clapped.
Speaker 6: When nobody got the seats. Second show, then the piano starts.
Speaker 6: It was like maybe fifty people clapped, A couple of
Speaker 6: people stood up. Everybody clapped when I hit the note
Speaker 6: by like the third fourth show. Soon as everybody stood
Speaker 6: I was like, oh shit, we got one. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: that is curious. Yeah, I was like, Okay, we got something.
Speaker 5: I never forget Jojo playing me that record, and I
Speaker 5: spoke about it on another on another episode actually when
Speaker 5: music came because he also I also never forgot when
Speaker 5: him playing me love the first time. Now he used
Speaker 5: to pull up and just have smash like y'all just
Speaker 5: had smashes at this time.
Speaker 2: Bro, like these records were going say, and he's like,
Speaker 2: we got one. We got one.
Speaker 5: He was like, we got the wedding song of all time,
Speaker 5: the wedding song of all time, Nigga.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. I'm telling you, I'm the problem. Chad.
Speaker 5: H'm Then I got that Nigga played happily ever after,
Speaker 5: and I was like, this ship is special.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still do their wedding is to this day.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, right, even if you're not there. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: but you know it's crazy. When I when I first
Speaker 6: did my first interviews coming in the game, they'd be like,
Speaker 6: what do you want accomplish? It was never money awards.
Speaker 6: It always was I wanted to make music that because
Speaker 6: my parents were still listening to the old I'm like,
Speaker 6: I want to make music that when people get that age,
Speaker 6: they still want to hear it. That was That was
Speaker 6: my only goal because that then you live forever. When
Speaker 6: you make trendy stuff, you're not you're there, and there's
Speaker 6: some people that's going to reminisced over it. But when
Speaker 6: it's when it's classic and it's quality, they're gonna they're
Speaker 6: gonna remember it and they're always going to want to
Speaker 6: hear it. And that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: You think you got some of them, but.
Speaker 3: I think, like, and just to add to what you're saying, like,
Speaker 3: it wasn't not trendy. It wasn't not for the time.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just very good music. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But there's a difference between for the time and trend Well,
Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't. It's hard to say because because
Speaker 3: in nineties and in nineties, I don't remember a lot
Speaker 3: of trendy music in the nineties.
Speaker 4: I remember in the nineties it was a lot of
Speaker 4: great in the yeah, a couple of ye.
Speaker 2: It was in between a lot less than Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was late.
Speaker 3: There was like if there was eighty percent eighty five
Speaker 3: percent quality music in the nineties, easy that is still
Speaker 3: play easy to this day, and I think that that
Speaker 3: was the trend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in that time, was you gotta make some fires.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of us felt that way.
Speaker 3: That was the that was the now. Now today's trend
Speaker 3: is viral. He's got to make TikTok, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, I'm saying that to say like that.
Speaker 4: Was the trend.
Speaker 3: To be fly, to be fired, to have some substance
Speaker 3: to be around man, that was it. Yeah, people were
Speaker 3: signing that. Yeah, that's what they're looking for. What they
Speaker 3: was looking for, Where's where, where's the all timer? It's
Speaker 3: Clive Davis. Yeah, Yeah, that's what they're looking for.
Speaker 2: And that's why.
Speaker 6: But the music reflected that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: that's what the musicians and the music nigga.
Speaker 3: You got nigga nigga, y'all wasn't singing through no auto tune,
Speaker 3: through no like never heard of, never heard of it, y'all.
Speaker 3: Y'all was standing on business like sing nigga.
Speaker 2: You better say.
Speaker 6: That's what Uncle Charlie used to Come here, you better
Speaker 6: be singing, boy, keep gapping see every folk keep gapping
Speaker 6: baby here hang up.
Speaker 2: I mean at the end of the song he said,
Speaker 2: I can't sing no more. On the pict sang, oh boy,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, because it wasn't about
Speaker 2: punching in.
Speaker 5: It wasn't about punching. It was about just full out singing.
Speaker 5: People don't realize probably how many times you had to sing.
Speaker 2: That song over and over.
Speaker 6: That night, they had to sing it twice.
Speaker 2: He just sang through.
Speaker 6: But because I was sick. I had before that whole week,
Speaker 6: I had laryngitis. I landed in La on Monday. It
Speaker 6: was like, we gotta do this song, missing you. I
Speaker 6: was like, all right, cool. I get here on Monday night.
Speaker 6: I don't know what happened. Tuesday, I can't sing, so
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, push it to Wednesday. Wednesday, still
Speaker 6: can't sing. I'm drinking stuff all day.
Speaker 2: I still can't.
Speaker 6: No. No, this time, I honestly don't know what happened.
Speaker 6: It came out of nowhere. So now it's Wednesday night,
Speaker 6: I still can't sing. Thursday night, I started feeling better.
Speaker 6: I'm like, bet, let's make it for them arow. But
Speaker 6: then that night I go to the studio with Joab.
Speaker 6: We do living it up and then I go hang
Speaker 6: out afterwards man and I lost my voice again. But
Speaker 6: this time I can't talk. So today is like it
Speaker 6: is Friday. If we don't do it today, we can't
Speaker 6: do missing you. So I get to the studio. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I try.
Speaker 2: I've been drinking.
Speaker 6: I'm drinking everything all day. It's not working.
Speaker 2: So JoJo's with me.
Speaker 6: He was like, I'll talk to you. He's like yo,
Speaker 6: he don't have his voice. He's like, we're gonna do
Speaker 6: what we can. So he was like, Okay, can you
Speaker 6: go through it one time?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So he puts it, puts it on and go through
Speaker 6: it the first time. He's like, you give me one more.
Speaker 6: I was like, So I get to the the end
Speaker 6: of the of the song and I felt it was
Speaker 6: I'm like I can't sing no more. And I'm like this,
Speaker 6: like I can't sing no more, babe. And then I
Speaker 6: stopped and so I go and I'm knocking on the window.
Speaker 6: They all in there like this. So I come out
Speaker 6: the booth and tap. I'm like it's still. I'm like, yeah, song,
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, I can't talk no more.
Speaker 2: It was over.
Speaker 6: So that that was that it was really over. I
Speaker 6: mean the crazy probably both of them songs that nominated
Speaker 6: for Grammy.
Speaker 2: Bean say in the video.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but see, nobody knew who she was, didn't really
Speaker 6: they were they was new right right right now. It's
Speaker 6: a stroke of brilliance. Yeah, that was a stroke of brillids.
Speaker 6: But for me, we wanted we wanted somebody for the video.
Speaker 6: If you remember back then people had known people videos.
Speaker 6: He's like, who could we get like and that that's
Speaker 6: everybody was in somebody else's video. So I wanted somebody knew.
Speaker 6: So it's like Niel Long, No, she's in this. So
Speaker 6: we're going through the list. We're like, we got to
Speaker 6: figure out something. And I was in JoJo's office and BT,
Speaker 6: one of BT shows was on in the video with
Speaker 6: why Cleff came on. I'm like, who's that Zake, I
Speaker 6: don't know, we'll find out, go get her. And that's
Speaker 6: how it happened. So we called called down there. They
Speaker 6: wanted to hear the song, played the song and he's like,
Speaker 6: I bet she came up her her mom, Sa Pop,
Speaker 6: Solange and Kelly. Matter of fact, we had a three
Speaker 6: days shoot. It was cool as hell. Three day shoot,
Speaker 6: three days shoot, three days, three day shoot.
Speaker 3: I shot slowly, Yeah, for two and a half, two
Speaker 3: and a half spent on a slowly video about seven
Speaker 3: and eight hundred.
Speaker 6: Yeah, them long she spent happily ever after. I don't
Speaker 6: even know. I think it was about six something like that.
Speaker 4: You know, it was seven six.
Speaker 2: When I was talking about six thousands. It's about seven
Speaker 2: thousand talking about tape.
Speaker 6: Yeah, tape, nothing digital, it's all tape. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 6: pay for the actual tape.
Speaker 4: The tape was running. Yeah, we blew up a building
Speaker 4: a whole bit.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: I was actually he was slowly, why would you blow up?
Speaker 3: Because I was saying, he wrote slowly, Yeah, we blew
Speaker 3: it up. We used the stunt men from the Matrix. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the actual stunt men almost cut my finger off with
Speaker 3: the wire, the hanging wire when I did my Ninja
Speaker 3: kick kicked I'm hanging med air j boutine in the
Speaker 3: middle of a warehouse.
Speaker 2: I was like to go listen to the lyrics so
Speaker 2: slowly yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and didn't think about
Speaker 2: all the dumb shit f up this was going on.
Speaker 2: Don't lose her fingers slowly, that's fucked up. Take off
Speaker 2: this dedication that.
Speaker 1: Look at my hand is gone.
Speaker 2: You're gonna join in on this. It was a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of rolls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, cool, it was part of a reel, It
Speaker 3: was part of my real It all worked out, though,
Speaker 3: it works out, And.
Speaker 2: Now he wanted to know why he ain't never seen
Speaker 2: the royalty.
Speaker 3: Not for that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, you know, I'm seeing royalties now.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: That's all the matters. Those days were just wow that
Speaker 5: you were like, it was normal, customary. Absolutely if you
Speaker 5: if your.
Speaker 6: Video wasn't at least a quarter million, they didn't care
Speaker 6: about you, right, And then it got to a point
Speaker 6: where people was trying to top each other.
Speaker 5: Right, once Missy came with the million dollars her and
Speaker 5: Buster rymes a million dollar videos.
Speaker 6: I remember I was on the set for Buster when
Speaker 6: he did the video with Janet Yeah, and we was like, say, yo,
Speaker 6: this video costs I think it was like two million
Speaker 6: and something crazy like wow, wow dollars two dollars dollars
Speaker 6: and I think touch Me Teach Me video only costs
Speaker 6: maybe maybe a hundred and Brett Ratner shot it. Brett
Speaker 6: Ratner was directed to Touch Me TV. It didn't cost
Speaker 6: it costs nothing because it was real simple, right, But yeah,
Speaker 6: we were spending money on it.
Speaker 2: In hindsight, that. I guess it didn't make too much sense,
Speaker 2: but it made so much sense at the time. But
Speaker 2: then this was part of making the star. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is part of it.
Speaker 5: It's like we're making movie stars, making entertainers necessary. It's necessary.
Speaker 2: Cost that video move the needle. Yes, thanks to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you had a fire video that could change
Speaker 3: the complexion of your song at radio and all of that,
Speaker 3: and just.
Speaker 6: In general, just for the consumer, because there isn't plenty
Speaker 6: of times I saw I heard a song and I
Speaker 6: was like, you see the video, Like, now, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: this is kind of right, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 6: that and that happened.
Speaker 2: That happens sometimes. So how was it being signed to
Speaker 2: rap label?
Speaker 5: Yeah, as an R and B R because yeah, you
Speaker 5: can say, okay, yeah, they was talking about the R
Speaker 5: and B d and makes it, but you're still an
Speaker 5: R and B singer at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: And this is historically very much so it was. It was.
Speaker 6: It has some trying times because the sensibilities between hip
Speaker 6: hop and especially a hardcore hip hop label and R
Speaker 6: and B. Sometime they didn't get it. Sometimes you can't
Speaker 6: really explain it to them. Other times they would listen
Speaker 6: to the people that they had in place that did
Speaker 6: get it. But there were there were definitely times when
Speaker 6: it was stuff that we I think, I feel like
Speaker 6: we should have did things that we could have done
Speaker 6: that didn't happen because they didn't get it.
Speaker 2: They didn't get it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that's the only downside to something like.
Speaker 2: Did you did you find?
Speaker 5: You know because Tank talks about this because you kind
Speaker 5: of have one of those names too, even though your
Speaker 5: real name is actually Case, you have a name that
Speaker 5: is not R And you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 5: you don't know if Case is a rapper. You don't
Speaker 5: know if Cases are. So did you have that early
Speaker 5: on too, where they were putting you on these shows?
Speaker 5: It's esecially because your first record came with a rapper too. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well you're like the only R and B guy and
Speaker 5: it's you method man.
Speaker 6: And you know what I'm saying, like, well, yeah, because
Speaker 6: I think we did a lot of the nutty professor
Speaker 6: stuff together, so Me, Foxy, jay Z, State Property, all
Speaker 6: of all of them dudes, and it was it was
Speaker 6: the worst.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 6: I remember one time we had a show in at
Speaker 6: the Paramount theater. You might have been there. It was
Speaker 6: Little Kim Biggie, somebody else, me and Aliyah, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: who did this? I'm it was probably like this is
Speaker 6: like ninety six okay, I'm like who did this? Like,
Speaker 6: I mean it was all rappers, like it might have
Speaker 6: been like Mob Deep. I'm like, who put me in
Speaker 6: the lee on this show?
Speaker 4: Yo?
Speaker 6: Like that? So it was a lot of that, like
Speaker 6: we would do like homecomings like Delaware State and stuff,
Speaker 6: and it's all them homecomings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did all the super wrapped out, super wrapped out.
Speaker 3: Like when I came in it was the Dirty South
Speaker 3: was well yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the rise.
Speaker 5: So I'm in there with yin Yang Twins, Chris and
Speaker 5: Miracle because at least he was also singing touch Me
Speaker 5: Teach Me, which I didn't have a touch Me teach me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm singing maybe I deserve I'm like this, Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: that's hard work.
Speaker 4: Who's going next you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how it work.
Speaker 3: I just ran into one of the Yang Twins at
Speaker 3: the in Vegas the other day. He's like, what I
Speaker 3: think I used to kick my ass man? Yeah, but
Speaker 3: it was like my name was Tank, like you said,
Speaker 3: so like they wouldn't even listen to my record. The
Speaker 3: radio stations like, well, just send him down here and
Speaker 3: put them on this show, and then we'll think about
Speaker 3: putting his record in and I end up that's me
Speaker 3: and a little mull on all hip hop shows. At
Speaker 3: the worst show it was in the beginning, I hated
Speaker 3: it because it's like nobody's there for me at all,
Speaker 3: at all at all, Like, not only do they not
Speaker 3: know me, but who's the nigga singing?
Speaker 4: Why is the nigga singing? Read the room the nigga?
Speaker 4: But if the room was not a room for me.
Speaker 6: That happened to me in Philly one time at the
Speaker 6: Dell East. They put me on the show with the Whispers.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking out there, this is a whispers crowd,
Speaker 6: all my fans. We still yet they was way in
Speaker 6: the bag because they ain't have no jobs and stuff.
Speaker 6: Back we were still not join these. So I'm on
Speaker 6: stage just like pull your pasts up. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm performing there.
Speaker 2: Yelling from the crowd.
Speaker 6: Yeah it was the same dude. So the crowd is laughing, right,
Speaker 6: it's the same dude. He like where the whisp was
Speaker 6: at late. I'm like, stop the music. Though, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all old asses got to go
Speaker 6: to work tomorrow whatever, but I ain't going nowhere. The
Speaker 6: whispers in the back somewhere. So I looked at my
Speaker 6: Bernard Bell God bless it dead.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 6: He was my MD. I'm like, be you know what
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 2: So we went hard time. I was done, got to
Speaker 2: stand over age. By the time we got back to
Speaker 2: the hotel.
Speaker 6: I was on the news. B I'm like, dig go
Speaker 6: to whispers. I'm like, but I know that feeling of
Speaker 6: they didn't come for you, Like damn, I wish we
Speaker 6: got to make the show this long tonight, like you
Speaker 6: want to get up out of there.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to show in Baltimore. What ever I do.
Speaker 3: I'm like, here your show to everybody that's gonna be
Speaker 3: this is gonna be great. Hell yeah, come out there
Speaker 3: doing my aggressive R and B thing. I'm well coated
Speaker 3: in oil, done enough push ups to make this exciting
Speaker 3: and interest.
Speaker 2: It should be okay, should be okay.
Speaker 4: Shirt off.
Speaker 3: You just think it's all women. Everybody get a nigga.
Speaker 3: They are sitting in the audience.
Speaker 2: Like this, Oh, I hate that.
Speaker 4: You ain't got no incense, nigga.
Speaker 6: I was thinking that in my head, like you left
Speaker 6: out the incense, you ain't got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had shoes on.
Speaker 4: Where's your wrap? I had my shoes on. That was
Speaker 4: the first first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you got to be you gotta be bedfoot.
Speaker 4: I forgot.
Speaker 2: I learned that do a show. Yeah you have. This
Speaker 2: is a barefoot experiences.
Speaker 4: It's a thing.
Speaker 3: We're not talking about the wine. I literally was like,
Speaker 3: what is going on out here? They were not there
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, and you can't take it personal. They
Speaker 3: can take a person in front of my energy either.
Speaker 3: They weren't there for that. They came for a seance.
Speaker 6: They wanted to hear you say beloved a lot they want,
Speaker 6: I'm telling you because I don't. I'm no joints like that. Dog.
Speaker 6: You gotta like it's certain audiences that ain't.
Speaker 4: It just ain't today for you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, am I lying up? The beloved audience is not?
Speaker 2: Really they'll be checking for some of stuff we'd be doing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Now you definitely have to even when you know still
Speaker 5: as even from the management side. For me, when certain
Speaker 5: shows come in, I'm like, yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 5: that one will make sense. We have those conversations. I'm like,
Speaker 5: you know, because at first, early on, I didn't used
Speaker 5: to think to ask who's on the lineup, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, because we just we grind it.
Speaker 4: We need that money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get into these shows. And then it started
Speaker 2: to be like.
Speaker 5: You know what, I need to ask who's on the
Speaker 5: lineup because we've been to one too many shows that
Speaker 5: just don't make sense and you're not getting the best
Speaker 5: experience out of it.
Speaker 2: And he can't give his best because, like he said,
Speaker 2: they wasn't there for him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they make it known.
Speaker 2: You got to get to your people.
Speaker 5: Like it's cool, right, Like you get a couple extra
Speaker 5: fans out of performing with certain people. But these crowds
Speaker 5: and these audiences, especially whoever the headliner is, if you're
Speaker 5: not the headliner too, Yep, they're coming for the headliner.
Speaker 2: They come for the whispers. Like you said, that's what
Speaker 2: they came for. They was coming for Badu.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: So everybody got a camera, so now everybody is filming this.
Speaker 3: Now they can document the document that this happened. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Nigga wasn't sweet right here though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be chilling these shows.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's different. Yeah, sir, who do you pat
Speaker 6: on your vocal?
Speaker 2: After?
Speaker 4: I have I have a guess, but I want who
Speaker 4: do you?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 4: Do you think?
Speaker 6: It's a combination. It's a lot of Charlie Wilson, a
Speaker 6: whole lot of Charlie. Yeah, it's like I remember he
Speaker 6: used to call and just be like, yeah, this is
Speaker 6: how you do it. I sat on the floor behind
Speaker 6: him while he was I wrote a song for him
Speaker 6: and he's doing the vocals, Like, how you want me
Speaker 6: to sing it? I'm like, sing you can sing it
Speaker 6: in Spanish if you so, I'm sitting on the floor
Speaker 6: while he's doing his vocals. Mind, there's no iPhones. I'm
Speaker 6: just sitting there like a kid, and he's doing his vocals. So, yes,
Speaker 6: like Charlie, is Marvin Gaye in there, some David ruffin.
Speaker 6: It's just different stuff you Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. You're like, yeah, Charlie, he's one of
Speaker 2: the disciples. Yeah, but I got that too. He brought
Speaker 2: me on stage one day.
Speaker 6: He's like, okay, this this is when they was all
Speaker 6: on stage gap and he was like, he's gonna get
Speaker 6: gaptized tonight.
Speaker 2: So he's like gapitized.
Speaker 6: He's like, this is gonna be his gaptism tonight. He goes,
Speaker 6: we're gonna gae night. Yeah, I got a I got
Speaker 6: gaptized on stage in Saint Martin.
Speaker 4: We need just talked Uncle Chuck.
Speaker 6: He brought me on stage and but he see here's
Speaker 6: what he did. So I met him earlier that day.
Speaker 6: So he's on stage. I'm at the concert. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: there's a young brother. You know, I met him. I'm
Speaker 6: really really George work da da da, which I think
Speaker 6: maybe I should do a song. So now I'm mad
Speaker 6: as hell, like because everybody with me knew he was
Speaker 6: gonna bring I didn't know. So I'm like, we about
Speaker 6: to bring up here.
Speaker 2: I'm heated.
Speaker 6: I'm like he should bring me up there. So as
Speaker 6: he's doing this whole big build up and then they
Speaker 6: bring me, I'm like, oh me, and I did Yearning
Speaker 6: for Your Love with him. He was like, Okay, you've
Speaker 6: been gaptized. And he was like, you've been gaptized now,
Speaker 6: young nigga.
Speaker 2: He on the base.
Speaker 6: He like, yeah, that was funny. He's like, yeah, you've
Speaker 6: been gaptized. Now you're a little gapper. I haven't been gaptized.
Speaker 6: I got my little gapper tattoo too. You got the
Speaker 6: baby gappers, the old gappers. You love Napolis toe tappers.
Speaker 2: He used to say all that when he was on
Speaker 2: his apple. Yeah, you feel indeed.
Speaker 5: You know it's crazy though, because I feel like when
Speaker 5: I met you, it was during the phase of you
Speaker 5: were kind of in and out. I was out by
Speaker 5: the time I met you, right, yeah, So, and obviously
Speaker 5: we met through Jojo and I remember I pulled up
Speaker 5: to your crib, that crib in Atlanta, yep.
Speaker 4: Ready bucket, and I had I had to, I had to,
Speaker 4: had the cousins with me.
Speaker 2: I had run it down with me.
Speaker 5: Full gangsters, and I just remember us leaving them niggas
Speaker 5: being like that nigga case crazy.
Speaker 2: These was too full fledged, you know, gangsters, niggas like
Speaker 2: case crazy.
Speaker 6: Around that time, my crib was would Man. Yeah, And
Speaker 6: I tell her my crib. What we used to do
Speaker 6: is go to the strip club, hang out whatever. After
Speaker 6: the strip club, they all come into my crib.
Speaker 4: Which which strip club? Oh what is it?
Speaker 6: I think that was the Masters because were you in
Speaker 6: the bucket?
Speaker 2: It was buggets. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so if you come you came on a team night.
Speaker 6: Who a team name on the team. So we come
Speaker 6: in this is it's like sid my homeboys, like, yo,
Speaker 6: come here.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what's up.
Speaker 6: He's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, come on
Speaker 6: me outside. I walk outside. He's like he opened the
Speaker 6: now look around. I was like, yeah, He's like, this
Speaker 6: ship don't look real. What's the problem. But this looked
Speaker 6: like He's like this ship looked like a Guns and
Speaker 6: Roses dressing room, like it was chicks in the dining room,
Speaker 6: calling himself black and Rose. But they started They started
Speaker 6: that because Mike Kaiser and them used to be like,
Speaker 6: you know what when they first made me, like, you
Speaker 6: don't act like R and B singing. You need to
Speaker 6: be a rock and roll dude. You act like a Roles.
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, but I'm black and that's what it's.
Speaker 6: It's black and rolls a black Ax Roles. But yeah,
Speaker 6: he used to be buck wild at that crib. Yeah
Speaker 6: it was wold.
Speaker 2: I was still on the Tame Night.
Speaker 4: Yeah JK.
Speaker 6: It was a team night cause and the nigga still
Speaker 6: was like that nigga crazy because I had to keep
Speaker 6: a team because I ain't know him and I ain't
Speaker 6: want to offend him, you know what I'm taking. Jojo
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, he cool whatever. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 6: I can't. I can't invite him into the full fledge
Speaker 6: because he might be like Nigga. So I was like,
Speaker 6: you're gonna be cool, y'all, but.
Speaker 2: Nick Case is gonna be one of my hand Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: That was exciting.
Speaker 5: Oh man, oh boy, this is pretty thanks and it
Speaker 5: was a celebration, man, oh man, and you wake up
Speaker 5: the next day you be stepping over people. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: is this around the time, nigga when you accidentally shot yourself?
Speaker 6: Nigga, No, accidentally shot myself February fifth, two thousand and two,
Speaker 6: the day after the Patriots win the Super Bowl, the
Speaker 6: first Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: How the fuck you do that?
Speaker 6: Dig if you wiel the picture. So I'm sitting in
Speaker 6: the crib, me and my girl at the time.
Speaker 4: We fucked up.
Speaker 6: We had we've been out, we've been wilding out all night.
Speaker 6: So I used to keep the gun behind the behind
Speaker 6: the headboard. So I'm doing it and now I'm fucked
Speaker 6: up and I'm playing with the shit. Not little, but
Speaker 6: I'm I'm fiddling with the shit when I should have
Speaker 6: just did it. And I started talking and that shit
Speaker 6: went off. It blew my ass across the room and
Speaker 6: I'm laying there, and I remember it was the most
Speaker 6: peaceful feeling that lady was like, I think he died
Speaker 6: because they said that was gonna be dead by the
Speaker 6: time I got to the hospital. But it was the
Speaker 6: most peaceful. I can't even explain the most peaceful feeling
Speaker 6: I ever felt. And it was just dead quiet. And
Speaker 6: I remember in my head being like, yo, I fucking
Speaker 6: killed myself. I'm like, I fucking shot myself. And I
Speaker 6: heard a voice say get up, and I sat up
Speaker 6: and the TV was black, Good Times was on. It
Speaker 6: was like five thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2: The lights was on.
Speaker 6: My girl was screaming and running. She ran through the
Speaker 6: subject vision back in the house, screaming, but I didn't
Speaker 6: hear none of that. And now I went to see
Speaker 6: where because I knew I didn't know where I was shot.
Speaker 6: So I went and looked in the mirror and I
Speaker 6: tried to sing. And once I saw I could say,
Speaker 6: I sat down, smoked a cigarette, waited. But what she
Speaker 6: was on?
Speaker 2: What that she was? Wow?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: Yeah? She was Wow?
Speaker 2: That was your first thought I'm about to smoke this
Speaker 2: cit No.
Speaker 6: The first thought was where my shot. The first thought
Speaker 6: was wearing my shot.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's go with the second thought my cigarette.
Speaker 6: No, no no. The second thought was I try to sing.
Speaker 2: Hard thought, somebody give me a pack of new Ports man.
Speaker 6: Well, oh if I couldn't sing, yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 6: fish that off. Yeah what if I tried to sing
Speaker 6: any Because they said it was like a hair from
Speaker 6: my vocal cars going in right there and it came
Speaker 6: out a hair from hitting my spine. They said, either
Speaker 6: you was going to not be able to sing or
Speaker 6: talk or you paralyzed. And he was like, we don't
Speaker 6: know how.
Speaker 2: And they did a test.
Speaker 6: They was like it missed everything. And they was like,
Speaker 6: we don't know how that's possible. Straight through They said
Speaker 6: it was straight that came in and they said it
Speaker 6: but it missed everything. Gular vein is right there. I
Speaker 6: missed everything. And I'm sitting in there and I'm like,
Speaker 6: so people keep coming in my room because everybody's there,
Speaker 6: My baby, mama is there, my girl at the time
Speaker 6: is there, and they looking all sad and shit, and
Speaker 6: now nobodys telling me nothing. I'm cracking jokes so everybody
Speaker 6: keeps coming in the room. So I'm like, why is
Speaker 6: everybody coming in here? And later because they want to
Speaker 6: see the dude that they said over the radio is
Speaker 6: gonna be dead when he got here. He's sitting here
Speaker 6: cracking jokes. That's why they keep coming in here. Somebody
Speaker 6: put that on the radio over No, not the radio
Speaker 6: over there. They would transport me in the ambulance and
Speaker 6: they was like, I was probably gonna be dead when
Speaker 6: I got there. And they was like, and now they
Speaker 6: hear you and hear cracking jokes. That's why everybody keeps
Speaker 6: coming and looking in the room, coming into the hospital room,
Speaker 6: into my room. They looking like because niggas like hearing
Speaker 6: they're cracking jokes. They're like, hell no, and they looking
Speaker 6: They're like this nigga's cracking jokes. But nobody's telling me this.
Speaker 6: At the time, I'm just like, why is everybody coming
Speaker 6: in here? And they said that was why that she's crazy.
Speaker 2: These are the stories that make you feel musical. Huh
Speaker 2: is what you feel. That's where it comes.
Speaker 3: From, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, brother, case,
Speaker 3: my fellow, the real enthusiastic in all your years breaking
Speaker 3: the rules. Yeah, putting your own life in jeopardy, youth.
Speaker 3: You know this music thing, man, you do this music thing,
Speaker 3: then you try.
Speaker 4: Try my best. You've been gaptized.
Speaker 2: He's a rock star.
Speaker 1: He's a rock star.
Speaker 3: In the midst of all this deparchery that you've participated
Speaker 3: it in, I thought there was some music playing. It
Speaker 3: ended up being some of your favorite brother case. The
Speaker 3: world wants to know what's your What.
Speaker 2: They want to know?
Speaker 8: Top five?
Speaker 4: Your top five?
Speaker 8: You know you got top five, your top five R
Speaker 8: and B singers?
Speaker 2: What else are and so.
Speaker 1: You go to no shot in your th you.
Speaker 4: Hold a node.
Speaker 1: If you still to this day, what your yes, I
Speaker 1: can't say this is.
Speaker 4: All you.
Speaker 2: Think about?
Speaker 3: Mind?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir? Yeah, yeah? Top five real the case you're
Speaker 2: top five R and B singer R and B singers.
Speaker 6: I mean they can be saying, Okay, Stevie Wonder talk,
Speaker 6: Charlie Wilson, come on man, Donny Hathaway, come on man,
Speaker 6: Marvin Gaye. A Twinkie clock, Twinkie clock that was nasty
Speaker 6: weighted in that Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, save that one. I saved that one. Yes,
Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna hit the pitch anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she just does something.
Speaker 6: Different, something different with a complimentary. Now to Ella Fitzgerald,
Speaker 6: probably she's she's a machine. She was a machine dog
Speaker 6: high level.
Speaker 3: She was a top tier, top tier, top top tier.
Speaker 3: Those are foundational all day. Yeah, you can build a career. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta have a piece of you gotta have a
Speaker 3: piece of all of Yeah. Yeah, a lease have an
Speaker 3: understanding of what those are. Yeah, you gotta be in
Speaker 3: order to be an ARMB singer. That's a fact.
Speaker 4: Definitely top five ARMB songs.
Speaker 6: That this change is depending on the day of my
Speaker 6: movie Tender Love for some d Yeah, break your fall
Speaker 6: on your day O love that song. That's actually my
Speaker 6: ringtoe right.
Speaker 4: Now she said, Oh my gosh, we love her. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we love her.
Speaker 2: Get her.
Speaker 6: Don't you worry about the thanks Stevie Wonder because from
Speaker 6: the time as long as I can remember, I could
Speaker 6: be having the worst day ever. If I play that song,
Speaker 6: I instantly feel better, instantly to this day. Yeh, come
Speaker 6: get to this. Marvin Gay love It and off the Wall.
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson, all.
Speaker 3: Right, so let's put together your R and B Voltron.
Speaker 3: All right, you're gonna put together your super R and
Speaker 3: B artists. So who you're gonna get the vocal from
Speaker 3: the performance style, the styling, and then the passion of
Speaker 3: the artists, the heart of the artist. Who you getting
Speaker 3: the vocal from to make your super artists.
Speaker 6: Getting the vocal from Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: All tempo, yeah yeah, any up, temple, mid temple, ballads, any.
Speaker 4: Anything you do. Young Michael was young.
Speaker 6: Michael was killing own man.
Speaker 4: He was a killer performance style on stage.
Speaker 6: Combination of Michael Slodstone, Yeah, Slyde was a beast beaf.
Speaker 6: Sly Stone was a beast. Were studying the handbone uts.
Speaker 2: I love slod SnO, It's called losing yourself in the
Speaker 2: music every time his whatstop performance. You know he's from
Speaker 2: the base, so I already know I'm.
Speaker 6: The biggest slang and in the family Stone.
Speaker 5: I think that is something that needs to be revisiting
Speaker 5: in music. Well, he changed every from my opinion, just yeah,
Speaker 5: absolutely the way he changed things. But artists literally losing
Speaker 5: themselves in the song. Yeah, if you go back and
Speaker 5: you watch literally James Brown losing ten pounds a sholl yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: because he didn't work so hard, or Marvin Gay or
Speaker 5: Teddy Pens a new addition, but.
Speaker 6: You know what I believe and you correct me if
Speaker 6: I'm wrong. I believe that a lot of that has
Speaker 6: to do with the fact that you get on stage
Speaker 6: and you see a bunch of cameras in your face.
Speaker 2: It automatically don't want to mess up it.
Speaker 6: Automatically, even if you're not conscious of that.
Speaker 5: It puts it in your head that this is going
Speaker 5: to be This is live everywhere, This is a lot, right,
Speaker 5: It's not just the one night only thing.
Speaker 6: Right, it's live everywhere. This is live for the world.
Speaker 6: This is like performing at Live eight. You're not trying
Speaker 6: to mess up on live back in the days or
Speaker 6: like that. I think that puts something in your head
Speaker 6: when it comes to losing yourself in the in the music,
Speaker 6: in the performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I can appreciate the artist.
Speaker 5: I can appreciate the artist not messing up on the
Speaker 5: word maybe fall like listen, it's just the performer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's like yeah, because you know, there's nothing
Speaker 6: to feed it.
Speaker 2: It's just this.
Speaker 6: And the first thing I remember the first time I
Speaker 6: saw that, like, didn't they rest rerun for filming the
Speaker 6: du Beat Brothers concert?
Speaker 2: Taking it?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, Bady, you got a phone.
Speaker 6: I'm like, it just puts something in my head.
Speaker 2: The first time.
Speaker 6: I'm like, it immediately changed my mindset. When I got
Speaker 6: on stage and saw everybody had phones, I'm like, it
Speaker 6: took me a minute to get used to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Who are you getting the styling from the drip
Speaker 2: of the artists?
Speaker 6: Marvin gay hmm yeah, Marve Gang classic, Yes, sir, that's
Speaker 6: that's what a lot of Michael Jackson stuff came them.
Speaker 2: Aviator is.
Speaker 6: Marvin Gaye was wearing those first, and the military jackets,
Speaker 6: Marvin Gaye was wearing those first, and and Michael Jackson
Speaker 6: started doing it well studies yeah, friend, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah,
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 2: He was the problem.
Speaker 4: Who are in the passion of the artist from ra
Speaker 4: Chall's h m hm.
Speaker 6: That passion there, David Rouffing, that type of passion.
Speaker 2: It's different.
Speaker 6: That's different. Different, that's different. That's a different type of
Speaker 6: emotion that niggas sing about anything.
Speaker 2: Very very aggressive man, very aggressive man, easy listen, torture.
Speaker 3: Sing a song called Let's get Let's go get stoned.
Speaker 3: You know what I feel like they did it.
Speaker 4: I said, nigga, what come on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, before you get out of here, my brother
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no niggs. I ain't saying no names. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no niggas. You are.
Speaker 2: What you need, don't see she I ain't said no names.
Speaker 4: You're gonna break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we go down. This is gonna be broke. Man actually.
Speaker 4: Galling.
Speaker 1: You gotta gather.
Speaker 5: All right, so we have this, you know, very important
Speaker 5: segment of the show. Yeah, cart I ain't saying no names. Yes, sir,
Speaker 5: the rule to the game. She just can't say no names.
Speaker 5: That's the only rule. You tell us a story funnier,
Speaker 5: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? All your story
Speaker 5: seemed to be Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I got one that I can say the name because
Speaker 2: it's just funny names.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: I just got you out the way. It is easy
Speaker 2: way to say.
Speaker 6: Okay, asking brothers, I got you back it up first
Speaker 6: of all, because.
Speaker 2: We would like to live happily. You know, we don't
Speaker 2: want no trouble.
Speaker 6: Y'all gonna be y'all don't like that.
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 5: It's the man is hit to himself himself case, I
Speaker 5: ain't saying no names.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: So there was an R and B artist that wrote
Speaker 6: a song for me for one of my albums. So
Speaker 6: she invited me and my homeboy over to hear the song.
Speaker 6: Because back in them days it was cassettes. It wasn't
Speaker 6: no emailing the song back and forth whatever.
Speaker 2: So we're in there.
Speaker 6: Her dude shows up. He's like a big rapper.
Speaker 2: He don't know us.
Speaker 6: So he rolls up and two dudes in his crib
Speaker 6: with his chick that he don't know. So he looking
Speaker 6: us up and down, introduced ourselves. He's like whatever, So
Speaker 6: we leave. We go to getting our rental cars outside.
Speaker 6: We get in the car, the rental car won't start.
Speaker 6: So now he comes out with her maybe an hour
Speaker 6: later to go pick up the kid from.
Speaker 2: Day because we know we calling the toe truck.
Speaker 6: We're sitting across the street from his crib in the car.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Nigga, dis looks crazy.
Speaker 2: It looks crazy.
Speaker 6: They come back. We're still sitting in the car like Nigga,
Speaker 6: dis looks crazy. But it's freezing outside. We can't wait outside,
Speaker 6: so I'm like, I make sure I get out so
Speaker 6: I could tell her yo what's going on. But I
Speaker 6: could see already that he looking like it looked real suspect.
Speaker 6: So finally the tow truck comes and we get off.
Speaker 6: So then I ran into him. At this time, I
Speaker 6: hadn't had a record out, so I run into him
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yo, remember blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: I was like that was me.
Speaker 2: He was like, yo, b I thought your niggas was
Speaker 2: on some bs.
Speaker 6: I'm like, nah, we was. And we laughed about it.
Speaker 6: So but that almost got real hairy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of the spot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for hour, I'm like, yo, this is this don't
Speaker 6: look good. It was nothing we could do because we
Speaker 6: were we just got out the car. First of all,
Speaker 6: it was freezing, but the neighborhood we was in it
Speaker 6: went down. It went down, so we were stuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ain't cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now this is funny. So this chicken dating, we
Speaker 6: go out to dinner at this at this seafood place.
Speaker 6: So me and a limo driver we're like, we're going
Speaker 6: to jump out and get the food. Leaf from the limo.
Speaker 6: We get the food, we come my mouth was like,
Speaker 6: where's the limo? So we can't find a limo.
Speaker 4: Hold you and the limo driver get out.
Speaker 2: Get out.
Speaker 6: We run out, pulled the hat down. We run in
Speaker 6: to get the food. We leave the chicken in the limo, in.
Speaker 2: The limo, in the back of the limo.
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, we come out. The limo's gone, but the
Speaker 6: driver with you. The driver's with me, so he looking
Speaker 6: at me. I'm looking at him like nigg I don't know.
Speaker 6: So we're seeing there, we're looking around. Cell phone is
Speaker 6: not really a thing back then, so we're like, yo,
Speaker 6: what the hell happened? So then we see the limo
Speaker 6: come from around the corner. But as it turns, it
Speaker 6: got the whole side of it is a dent and
Speaker 6: it's yellow. So what happened was traffic started building up
Speaker 6: behind the limo. Shorty crawls through the thing. It tries
Speaker 6: to move it, but you know what I mean, yellow
Speaker 6: poles in the part. She caught the side of the
Speaker 6: pole and scraped the whole side of the limo. It tried,
Speaker 6: and then people say, yo, that's so and so it
Speaker 6: scraped the whole side of the limo. It just sat
Speaker 6: there like sorry, yo, yo. The lmo driver was six. Yeah,
Speaker 6: she destroyed his joint. Yeah, she destroyed his joint. It
Speaker 6: was at that moment I'm like, we're going on the
Speaker 6: second date. Doug Life yeah, we was going.
Speaker 2: On the second date.
Speaker 6: That earned her a second date, That earned her second date.
Speaker 6: Just the balls of this person. Yeah yeah, that earned
Speaker 6: her second date. I drive limos, now this happen.
Speaker 2: That told me she do what she gotta do if
Speaker 2: it needs to be done.
Speaker 5: Drive jumped through the partition already is on some foolish
Speaker 5: She's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's different. That's different. That's fair, my brother, case
Speaker 2: uh man.
Speaker 3: First of all, it's always a time man, Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: anytime were in the building together, it's always love, always
Speaker 3: the time. We appreciate your your contributions to this thing, man,
Speaker 3: Thank you. Your music's timeless, absolutely, and apparently you are
Speaker 3: too long. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Along here, man, and.
Speaker 3: We look forward two more, yes sir, Yeah, come on man,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. As we spoke before the pod.
Speaker 3: We look forward to more because because you deserve it.
Speaker 6: Thank you, man. I appreciate you'll. Thank you for having me, yes, man,
Speaker 6: and you have our support.
Speaker 4: Yes you got that.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, let me.
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