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Speaker 1: R and B Money. Honey, we are.

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Speaker 2: Thanks take valoti.

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Speaker 3: We are the authority on all things.

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Speaker 2: R and B.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank and this is

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Speaker 4: the R and.

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Speaker 3: B Money Podcast, the authority.

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Speaker 2: On all things R and B. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you wanna be happy. Yeah, you gotta be happy.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into the thick of it. Boss. We're talking

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Speaker 2: nineties R and B. What huh a guy? The ship

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Speaker 2: is missing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah today that we are still trying to capture and cancelate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah in today's time, in twenty twenty four, perfect word missing, missing,

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Speaker 3: they're missing you sing you ship?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting off like this. There was a guy by

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Speaker 2: the name of Greg Baker.

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Speaker 3: If you know Greg Baker. You know Greg Baker? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: Greg Baker was trying to recruit me out the church

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Speaker 3: to sing R and B music. Say word absolutely. At

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Speaker 3: that time he's working your record, touched me, tease me in.

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Speaker 6: D C New Greg's is high school no way ge

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Speaker 6: wiz brother from Heavy Dan and Boys.

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Speaker 3: So you know how smoking hot you was in the

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Speaker 3: d m V you were on five. Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was lovely. It's a lovely time. I know you reap

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Speaker 3: said the benefits Chocolate City Boy to listen, because I'm there.

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Speaker 3: You were the recruiting tool.

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Speaker 4: Listen to this.

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Speaker 2: You two can beat this.

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Speaker 6: Let's get it.

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Speaker 2: You too can touch me, tease me.

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Speaker 7: I was like, but the Lord, the Lord doesn't want

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Speaker 7: me to touch and tse these ladies.

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Speaker 2: He wants me to pray, touch and the greed with

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Speaker 2: these ladies.

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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't go. But I remember that moment like

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Speaker 3: it was yesterday. Yeah great, and he was listening. You

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Speaker 3: were the selling point. He's like, you don't you want

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Speaker 3: this ship like this?

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Speaker 2: And you were it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, chilling. It was popping to DC. And then a

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Speaker 3: year later I decided to do R and B. Come

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Speaker 3: on usmcliff and Jerry, and he got mad. He saw

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Speaker 3: me saying, now you're doing R and B.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: That's but that's but that's been my nigga ever since.

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Speaker 3: We always talked about that story, man, And since day one, Bro,

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Speaker 3: since day one meeting you like you're ship, I've never

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Speaker 3: heard anything anybody said anything bad about case Bro.

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Speaker 6: I've never yeah, because I just try to stay out

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Speaker 6: the way, don't talk about people, don't get in the

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Speaker 6: state of myself. I do what I do, I show

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Speaker 6: love and I get loved back.

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Speaker 2: I always show love.

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Speaker 6: I always show love, always always got you got.

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Speaker 3: It and listen and we'll get into that because we're

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Speaker 3: gonna we want to go in chronological order. But you

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Speaker 3: went toe to toe with Joe. Yeah, let's want to

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Speaker 3: throw that out there. Yeah, it's funny story behind that too.

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Speaker 2: That ain't that? Ain't We're gonna get to that.

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Speaker 3: Yea, We're gonna get to that. Yeah, Yeah, I just

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Speaker 3: want to throw that out there. You were toe to

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Speaker 3: toe with Joe. Yeah, yeah, ain't got to it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's go back Joe, Case, Where does.

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Speaker 6: This all start? Where does this all begin? How do

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Speaker 6: you become Case Man? They started when I was a

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Speaker 6: little kid. I got pictures when I was like two

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Speaker 6: three years old, performing for company.

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Speaker 4: My grandmother.

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Speaker 6: Her thing was all her grandkids had to know everything

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Speaker 6: by Ray Charles and everything by James Brown or he

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Speaker 6: was getting out nowhere. You had to, Yeah, you had

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Speaker 6: you had to. Okay, even if you couldn't sing or dance,

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Speaker 6: you better know these songs. And she would have company.

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Speaker 6: She would throw the best parties and we would have

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Speaker 6: to perform. My grandfather had the Ellis stereo system, took

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Speaker 6: when it started because and my pops was a singer.

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Speaker 6: He used to be in Cameo back when I was

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Speaker 6: a baby. It was called East Coast. Then my dad,

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Speaker 6: we're your father was in cameo. Yeah, but they weren't

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Speaker 6: Cameo at it. They were called East Coast because you're

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Speaker 6: from New York. Yeah, they were called East Coast where

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Speaker 6: they signed then or they were No, they weren't signed.

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Speaker 6: They were still on the come up. And then my

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Speaker 6: mom's got pregnant. It was like, so either you keep

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Speaker 4: So he got a job.

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Speaker 2: But so he never got the same word up.

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Speaker 6: He never Yeah, he never got to say none of that.

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Speaker 6: He never got to wear the cap.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to wear that man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it's your fut I.

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Speaker 6: Know that's crazy, right, I hope I tried. I tried.

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Speaker 6: I tried, my best I tried the bet. And so

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Speaker 6: he would always just be singing. He'd be like, come

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Speaker 6: was always music in the house. It was always That's

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Speaker 6: why I don't know how to play cards, because when

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Speaker 6: the rest of my cousins was learning how to play cards,

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Speaker 6: I was in the old records.

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Speaker 3: When did it make sense to you, like to where

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Speaker 3: you or somebody was like, no, it's not just you know,

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Speaker 3: young kid performing for company and not just the hobby

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Speaker 3: like this, this could be serious.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 6: I always wanted to make a record, but at that

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Speaker 6: time you're talking about I was a teenager. It was

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Speaker 6: like eighty forty five, eighty six. It was a dream.

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Speaker 6: I had no idea how to go about it. What

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Speaker 6: changed for me is I moved from Brooklyn. I grew

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Speaker 6: up in Brooklyn, New York. We moved to Mount Vernon.

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Speaker 6: When I got to Mount Vernon, I came out of

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Speaker 6: school and there Heavy Diver was right there. We went

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Speaker 6: to the same high school. He's right there, and it's

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Speaker 6: when is money. Yeah, yes, he had a gold blazer

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Speaker 6: that had Heavy on the window. So I'm like, so

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Speaker 6: now it's real to me because back then all of

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Speaker 6: the artists were older. It was like Kashief and Luther.

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Speaker 6: But to see somebody young. I was like, wait, this

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Speaker 6: now I'm like, because we all went to the same

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Speaker 6: so we all went to the same high school. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: so I'm talking to him. I'm like, okay, now I see.

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Speaker 6: And since they was popping that, everybody in the town

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Speaker 6: like this one does music, this one does music. So

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Speaker 6: now I found a way. Then Puff got in the door,

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Speaker 6: and then it just it just kept rolling. And your

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Speaker 6: used to run around al and he would like kind

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Speaker 6: of teach me about songwriting and stuff. And he was

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Speaker 6: working on his album Sexy Verses. So we're sitting there

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Speaker 6: in the in the Hit Factory and he's right on.

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Speaker 2: This is like this this is real history, this is real,

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Speaker 2: this is real. I just want to throw out there,

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Speaker 2: this is great.

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Speaker 6: And I didn't realize that. So he's sitting there writing

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Speaker 4: The track is playing.

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Speaker 6: Vincent Herbert and Cayam Griffin had done They were still

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Speaker 6: on the come up to so sitting there so I

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Speaker 6: don't know. He was like huh. I'm like, yeah, look good.

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Speaker 6: He's like, nah, go sing. I'm like sing what? It

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Speaker 6: was no metaly with just words on the paper. He

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Speaker 6: was like, I'm gonna start the track. Just go in

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Speaker 6: there and sing whatever comes out. Mindra never sang in

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Speaker 2: I'm like, how old are you at this one?

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Speaker 6: Seventeen maybe eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Still in high school? Or well.

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Speaker 6: I got kicked out of high school. When I talk

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Speaker 6: for that, they asked me to never come back. Oh

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Speaker 6: you one of those Yeah yeah, And I respected their decision.

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Speaker 3: I respect, like, yeah, I was a bit much get

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Speaker 3: kicked out. Can't you guys do us why you got

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Speaker 3: kicked out? There's a few things.

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Speaker 6: Here was a build up. It was some of it

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Speaker 6: was fighting. But I had this one special talent and

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Speaker 6: security came to me one day he was like, yo,

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Speaker 6: you be in school on time every day. You be

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Speaker 6: here all day and don't go to a single class,

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Speaker 6: but we never catch you in the hallway. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: it's a talent.

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Speaker 4: No way.

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Speaker 6: So first period I was roam in the hallways. Second

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Speaker 6: period I go in somebody study hall. Third period. I'm

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Speaker 6: back in the hallways. I go to fourth, fifth and

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Speaker 6: sixth period, lunch, seventh period.

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Speaker 2: Were you doing three periods of lunch?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's places, but I'm not eating. I'm just chilling.

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Speaker 6: And we had the court yard. We had dice games

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Speaker 6: me because my parents were Jehovah witnesses, so it was

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Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, bet, And it was like, he's

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Speaker 2: He just don't do shit.

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Speaker 6: So they was like, yeah, you should probably. I showed

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Speaker 6: up to this one class. It was I think it

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Speaker 6: was English in May. School's over in June. So she's like,

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Speaker 6: who you. I'm like, I'm like Case. So she's like, uh,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, uh what Case said? You gotta drop from

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Speaker 6: this class in November. Like okay, well, I'm gonna just

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Speaker 4: That was her choice.

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Speaker 5: I was in class, So that's how you made it

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Speaker 5: make sense? Yeah, was her choice, But that's what I said.

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Speaker 5: The case I got caught.

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Speaker 2: Shepped the case. I got caught, she kicked me out.

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Speaker 6: What was I to do?

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Speaker 2: Did you graduate? Now? He got kid?

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Speaker 6: They sent me to the alternative school and I wasn't

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Speaker 6: going there. So you haven't graduated high school to this day,

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Speaker 6: to this day. Fuck it, fuck it, I say, fuck.

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Speaker 3: It, ladies out in the morning. The story, there's no

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Speaker 3: real moral. I was gonna try to something this ship.

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Speaker 3: You don't need some hit records. You need some hit records. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the only way to figure this ship out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 6: Because I didn't have no plan B, because I don't

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Speaker 6: believe in plan B. If you have a plan B,

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Speaker 6: you set yourself up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what I always thought. So so what

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Speaker 3: do you sing? When alb says single comes to mind?

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Speaker 6: I went there singing nor More Freaking Women Friday night,

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Speaker 6: two or three at a time, and I'm singing and

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Speaker 6: he kept it on the song. He's it on the record.

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Speaker 6: He didn't give me no publishing, but whatever I was,

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Speaker 6: it was the experience. Yeah, funny part. It never occurred

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Speaker 6: to me that he'd gave me published untilbout a year ago.

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Speaker 6: I wrote the first song on US's first album. It's

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Speaker 4: I co wrote that song. Right, Okay, you're still crispy too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I'm like, so, now, my my girl

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Speaker 2: Four thousand, four.

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Speaker 6: Thousand, four thousand and wins. This is ninety three. You're

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Speaker 6: In all, in all fairness, most of this, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: So you from the from working with LB now you've

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because he's teaching me structure and lyrics and arrangements

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Speaker 6: And there's certain stuff that's so good that Al has

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Speaker 2: It's so dope that you don't realize it.

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Speaker 6: Stayed with me the whole second the whole second part,

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Speaker 4: Close to rhynd me.

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Speaker 6: But you never noticed that because it's so good. It's

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's the course, which is at the

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Speaker 2: I said, that's not the curus.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I'll be sure. No, that was that was Aaron.

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Speaker 6: But what I was teaching me was just to like

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Speaker 2: So songwriting one on one, and I was I would

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Speaker 6: I'd be sitting in there why he's writing songs, like

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: H So, are you signed to him or anything? He

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just that I'm put him on yep

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Speaker 6: Actually yeah, but he we've been best friends since we

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Speaker 4: He was like, yo, I got you, I got you, I.

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Speaker 5: How many years are you with him? Just working and writing?

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Speaker 5: And are you singing? You singing?

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Speaker 2: You singing? So obviously you singing on the demos too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sing references. I gotta I got a reference

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Speaker 6: in my phone from nineteen ninety one. It's me my homeboy,

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Speaker 6: Brian and Dave Hollister to a song that Kyle West

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Speaker 6: we singing references. That's Casey and Jojo and Dave Hollis

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Speaker 6: they were doing references for Tevin Campbell. We were just all.

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Speaker 6: He had a bunch of singers that he would have

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Speaker 6: Casey and Jojo, Dave Hollis, it was a whole team.

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Speaker 6: He had my man t O Cross, he had all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you know Jonathan Hall? No, who's that? Okay

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Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 5: So at this point when you're when you're doing you're

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Speaker 5: doing demos, you're right and you singing background, you're doing

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 6: Actually it was me and a good friend of mine,

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Speaker 6: of course, And then a few months later there was

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Speaker 6: and they wanted me and Brian to join Lo Day.

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Speaker 6: So Brian came to me. They already had a deal.

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Speaker 6: So Brian was like, Yo, I'm broke. You broke you

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Speaker 6: wanted to I'm like nah. He's like, well, would you

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Speaker 6: be mad if I did? I'm like, nah, do your thing?

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Speaker 2: No hert. We spoke the other day for three hours.

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Speaker 6: That's my man. I'm like, nah, you know, hard feelings,

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Speaker 6: That's how it became a solart because I was always

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Speaker 6: So it never occurred to me to go solo. So

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Speaker 4: What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 6: What am I doing? Still recording just demos? And I

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Speaker 6: It's called all Right and if we demoed it, I'm like,

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Speaker 6: And from there, I just kept trying, kept trying. And

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Speaker 6: then me and Mysa Lisa Hilton, we went to high

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Speaker 6: we all from and it's one high school. It's four

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Speaker 6: I want to help you, because she was like, I

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Speaker 6: Don't be Afraid.

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Speaker 2: Crazy Drops. This is so crazy, you gots we gotta

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Speaker 2: keep the track of that.

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Speaker 3: We just ticker every time a legendary name is drug.

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Speaker 2: So she wrote a song called Don't Be Afraid.

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Speaker 6: I had signed with this guy, Kenny Smooth, who was

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Speaker 6: signed to Eddie f for Touchable Untouchable. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 6: all connected, you know what I mean? And then Russell

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Speaker 6: I'm like, this is Leo's words, I swear. He was like,

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Speaker 6: would the R and B singer that? When he finished,

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Speaker 6: you get off the stage and fucking rob you Like,

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Speaker 6: I don't know about that, but okay, I see what

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Speaker 2: I mean, you did get kicked out of school.

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Speaker 6: I didn't rob nobody, not in high school, but you

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Speaker 6: could have used it. No, I got what him men,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I got you. So I stole somebody's desk

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Speaker 6: he signed, Yeah, so this is me.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Russell heard it. He loved it. He was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm signing.

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Speaker 6: And the funny part, I'm the last artist that Russell

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Speaker 5: So did you come with the record, because obviously you

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Speaker 5: Me tas Right.

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Speaker 6: Well, all we have was Don't be Afraid. Don't Be Afraid.

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Speaker 6: It was supposed to be the first single, that was

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Speaker 6: Why did they let Russell hear it? He's like, scrap everything.

439
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 6: That's the first single. I'm like, y'all just messed up,

440
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 6: that's what you're thinking. Yeah, y'all messed up because it

441
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 6: was a better It was a bigger record than Don't

442
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 6: Be Afraid was ever going to be.

443
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 4: Okay, that's why you don't.

444
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 6: Let him hear that now, because for the past year

445
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 6: that was the play Don't be Afraid, and then we'll

446
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 6: have something else. That was the something else. They let

447
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 6: Russell here it, and so that ends up being the

448
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 6: first single, and you're not changing Russell's mind.

449
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 2: You can maybe you're not changing if you play me,

450
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: touch Me, Tease Me, you're not changed. I'm like, why

451
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 2: would you play it for him? So you wanted a

452
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 2: set up? Yeah, yeah, definitely, okay, But.

453
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 5: Okay, now in hindsight, in hindsight, and obviously this was

454
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 5: a different time than the music businesses.

455
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 2: Now where you need to put your best foot forward.

456
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 5: This was a time where people had set up records,

457
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 5: get people, go and get the interest.

458
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 2: So is that how you're thinking of it.

459
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, instead of listen, I got a smash in the

460
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 5: world needs to hear the smash the smash.

461
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me tell you. I can't pick a up

462
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 6: temper record to save my life. I could pick a

463
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 6: ballot in my sleep. What I went by was everybody

464
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 6: else's reaction.

465
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 2: This is dope.

466
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 6: They're like, you create them, Like, okay, this is dope.

467
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 6: So no, I didn't know everybody else's reaction, and I

468
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 6: keep a bunch of no people around me. I don't

469
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 6: mess with yes people. When all of no people are

470
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 6: saying hell yeah, that's what made me know it was

471
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 6: a smash, right, But I'm like, don't put because here's

472
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 6: the thing. They wanted to put it on the soundtrack,

473
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 6: and that's what Russell said. This is going on one

474
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 6: hundred million dollars soundtrack. So what ended up happening is

475
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 6: Touch Me, Teach Me went platinum. The soundtrack went platinum.

476
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 6: But now when my album comes. Nobody's buying an album

477
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 6: because it touched me. TV really shot out load. They

478
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 6: already have it, and that was the problem that was,

479
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 6: that was the problem that I had. I saw that

480
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 6: one coming.

481
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 4: Right, so.

482
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: Kind of a good problem. Yeah, it's definitely that. It's

483
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: definitely a good problem in hindsight.

484
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 6: But at the time, I'm like, damn, we might have

485
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 6: just messed up because in my mind, I'm like, I

486
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 6: don't know how many shots i'mnna get at this, you

487
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.

488
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: Well, And also at that time, like you know, when

489
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: you're when you're in it at the moment, you don't

490
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: know that you're making generational records right right. You don't

491
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 3: know that you have a record that is now going

492
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: to be played in clubs.

493
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 6: Every party four yeah, every party.

494
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

495
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 6: I had no idea. I had no idea if it

496
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 6: was even good or not. I had to ask people,

497
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 6: So did you know Foxy already?

498
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 4: No.

499
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 6: What happened was we were trying to we had the

500
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 6: record done and we did a Christmas like I said,

501
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 6: and we was like we need a rapper. He was like,

502
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 6: let's get a female rapper. So He's like, left eye, Nah,

503
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 6: Lauren Hill. Nah, little Kim went through the whole lesson.

504
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 6: Then somebody was like, yo, Foxy And this is when

505
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 6: a Shatcha came out and she was starting a bubbles

506
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 6: like yo, she's right on our label. Nobody thought of that,

507
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 6: called that. She came in did it one night?

508
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 4: She went crazy?

509
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was crazy. She killed that record too.

510
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 6: I got a picture of me and her in the booth.

511
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 6: I got a forty of Saint eyes in my head. Yeah,

512
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 6: I had a forty eyes.

513
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess so it was just what I guess,

514
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: it makes sense.

515
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a picture of us in the studio in

516
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 6: the I got a forty of Sayan eyes and we

517
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 6: was laughing about something. But yeah, that's how we end

518
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 6: up getting Foxy because we was like, we need a

519
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 6: we need a female rapper, and we're just trying to

520
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 6: figure out who right.

521
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: Give me because at that time, like promo tour was

522
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: a thing, right, Yeah, to put you on a promo

523
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: tour and then you get to watch the audience build.

524
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: If you have that kind of record, you get to

525
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 3: see it go from seventy five people to seventy five hundred.

526
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 4: Give me that.

527
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: That layout in terms of you get on that first

528
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: van and go do your first.

529
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 6: Well, my first promo tour wasn't like that. The second

530
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 6: one was the first my first promo tour. They had

531
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 6: an event. They had a remember the briefcase from the

532
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 6: beginning to touch Me Teach Me video. Yeah, okay, so

533
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 6: they had the briefcase and it was filled with money

534
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 6: and they had it was intimate clubs up and down

535
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 6: the up and down the East Coast, and there was

536
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 6: a contest and the winner, whoever's key opened it, won

537
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 6: the money. Okay, So the audience didn't really build because

538
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 6: the record was a hit and it was it was

539
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 6: real intimate, so it wasn't really shows. And I would

540
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 6: sing touch Me, Teach Me and only touch Me teach

541
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 6: Me until I got to Atlanta. We get to Atlanta

542
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 6: because Kevin I was like Noah, only saying touch me.

543
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 6: Nobody wants to hear a bunch of records they don't know,

544
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 6: so I'm like, okay, he knows better than me. So

545
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 6: it's me and Foxy Wing in Atlanta, pulling up. It's

546
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 6: so packed that there's cars parked on the highway and

547
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 6: people is walking from the highway to the club. It's

548
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 6: a jam packed, so were in the back. I'm like, y,

549
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 6: you're about to get busy. We go out on the

550
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 6: dance floor and Foxy almost slipped. Somebody spilled beer, so

551
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 6: stop the music. We go in the back while they

552
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 6: get it cleaned up. Go back out. Now it feels

553
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 6: like we're still on ice. So we performed We Stand

554
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 6: in One Spot. DJ plays the wrong version. He plays

555
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 6: the version of touching me, tease me without Foxy, so

556
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 6: she did her second verse, but first verse was all

557
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 6: messed up, and he told me don't sing any other records.

558
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, good night.

559
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 4: It was like.

560
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 6: Boo, I'm like I called that Jay. I'm like, yeah,

561
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 6: from now on, I'm doing what I want. And the

562
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 6: next show is in Detroit, and I did a whole show.

563
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 6: People's like I was in Atlanta. How come you didn't

564
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 6: do that? I'm like listening to somebody else. So my

565
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 6: first promo tour wasn't really like what you' The second

566
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 6: one was like that, But the first one wasn't like that.

567
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 6: It was real intimate.

568
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: So by the time it got to the second one,

569
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: you was they they was packing it up for y'allready.

570
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 6: No, not really, because this was the thing, and I

571
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 6: feed off of people not believing in me. I don't

572
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 6: know why more than our feed off of people believing it.

573
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 6: And the knock on me was, yeah, he can't really

574
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 6: sing because touch me teaching. Anybody could sing that, and

575
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 6: I agree. And so when it came time to do

576
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 6: the second album, Keith Al was in Leo's office.

577
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: He played Faded Pictures and.

578
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, Joe, this is Joe's record, but

579
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 6: he wants to do it as a duet. So Leo

580
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 6: was like, what about Case. Yeah, Case can't really sing.

581
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 6: I had just recorded Happily of After, so he was like, Kathy,

582
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 6: bring that fucking Case record in here. So he plays

583
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 6: it and then he calls me in there. So I'm

584
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 6: standing there. I'm like, what's up. He's like, just sit down,

585
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 6: you little motherfucker. So I'm sitting there and he's playing

586
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 6: Happily of After. Keith I was like, oh, yeah, never mind.

587
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 6: He's like, what you're doing this song with Joe, And

588
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 6: that's how we ended up doing it. So they weren't

589
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 6: packing it out because it wasn't there yet, you know

590
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: what I mean. And the first single from the next

591
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 6: album was Faded pictures, so I had to kind of

592
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 6: build that up and that so.

593
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: Was faded pictures of soundtrack record too.

594
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 6: He was on rush out.

595
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 5: Because I noticed that, like you were, in my opinion,

596
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 5: kind of the king of the soundtracks.

597
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, all your songs on the sound.

598
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 5: Depth cham they those were those were all controlled by

599
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 5: all these soundtracks were controlled back then by depth jam

600
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 5: and it seemed like that's how they were launching all

601
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: of your music.

602
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, because what people don't realize is that when you

603
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 6: do it on the movie soundtrack, the movie company pays

604
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 6: half of these half of.

605
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: Them all half talking about the business and so yeah.

606
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, if I can spend half the

607
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 6: money for the promotion, sure you can put it on

608
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 6: the soundtrack. The downside to that is, like I said,

609
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 6: from they're buying it from the soundtracks. So unless you

610
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 6: got something else coming, you're gonna be kind of asked out.

611
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 6: The soundtrack is going to sell and then when you

612
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 6: drop yours and that, and I learned that from the

613
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 6: first time, So I made sure it didn't happen the

614
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 6: second time.

615
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 5: What do you mean you you made sure it didn't

616
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 5: happen the second time as far as because you said

617
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 5: it having something to you had another record, right, yeah,

618
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: I had it.

619
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 6: I haven't locked and loaded this time, Okay, yeah. And

620
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 6: that was Happily of After ye.

621
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 5: Because we jumping because he said that you're gonna give

622
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 5: us a story about this this you know this this

623
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: Joe thing man and y'all rocking again.

624
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: That that's that was it.

625
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, you can't really saying this and that,

626
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 6: and then he played Happily of After. I mean, yeah,

627
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 6: happily of after. He was like, okay, yeah, never mind,

628
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 6: and then we end up doing the record.

629
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Because who produced happily after Joe? Christ Hendon produced Happily

630
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: ever After?

631
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Christina, Yeah, but but Joe because we we love

632
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 6: Joe here, yes, we all love that's my guy.

633
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: The experience of did y'all even know each other yet?

634
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 6: No, I actually don't think we had ever met at

635
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 6: that time.

636
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 5: But this wasn't the age of I'm gonna send you

637
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: the m P three and we got you gotta get

638
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 5: in this, you gotta get in the studio.

639
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 6: And the first night we got in the studio, I

640
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 6: bought a bunch of okay, somebody bought a bunch of strippers.

641
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: You just said you. I didn't say that.

642
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: Ahead you think the drugs you're looking for him?

643
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: I hit you tonight?

644
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 6: Do you think I said that?

645
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: Okay?

646
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: So the strippers somehow they appeared, okay, faded pictures, yes, okay.

647
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was that.

648
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 6: It was a different time, right. So we got a dice.

649
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 6: So then Joe got a somebody brought an envelope of money.

650
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 6: He had like ten thousands. So I pull out the dice.

651
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 6: So we got a dice game game. He takes all

652
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 6: my money.

653
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

654
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 6: So now I'm like, nah, I'm putting up jewelry. And

655
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 6: it was like, yo, this game is over. So then

656
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 6: the session is getting done whatever, and at the end

657
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 6: said the death day was like, you guys sound drunk,

658
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 6: Like I don't know why that is, but okay, So

659
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 6: then we went back like two nights later. Yeah, so

660
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 6: then I go we go back like two day later.

661
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: We knock it out. It was fine. So so y'all

662
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: had to sing that twice?

663
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I had to sing all of mine. His

664
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 6: parts was pretty much done except for the new stuff

665
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 6: that we added. Yeah, yeah, we gotta do it again.

666
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 6: But it was it was fun.

667
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: It was fun. This is the R and B stories.

668
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: We love those days.

669
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: Man, when somebody showed up with a bunch of strippers.

670
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.

671
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: Some dice and some you got to die. Yeah yeah,

672
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: yeah had some. I didn't know you got that. Like, man, listen,

673
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm move a little dice in my time. I learned

674
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: from you know, I can stituent here.

675
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: I stopped. I stopped with me attached to my keys.

676
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: I learned my lesson. No, no, no, no, we got

677
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: rid of Yeah.

678
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you had the trick dice.

679
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: No not see look what you're no, they're not trick dice.

680
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: He just he just don't see this niggas lucky.

681
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: I just don't play fifteen thousands of years ago. You know,

682
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: you know he waiting on the song.

683
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: This man is waiting on the life changes, taking his

684
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: money in his pockets, in his pockets.

685
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: He was just kind of man.

686
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we was trying to pass the time when

687
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 6: it passed, was trying to pass be mad.

688
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: I was mad as hell. I know that feeling.

689
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 6: You're like, I don't even want sing this ship.

690
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: But it all back with the hit record.

691
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah that makes sense now, and it makes sense that night.

692
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: It's that night.

693
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I'll never forget you for the ship.

694
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: So that night you mad as hell.

695
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: What is your first tour?

696
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 6: First tour was me, Drew Hill, Faith Evans, a man

697
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 6: and total I was cooking And that was the tour

698
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 6: that I And that was I had my tour bus,

699
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 6: had my whole album cover on. Of course, I was like, course,

700
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 6: I got pictures up in my pharm. I was like, man,

701
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 6: look at this. You had a little yellow, yellow camera.

702
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 6: So that was the tour win because Happily of After

703
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 6: was out. So I remember the first show was in

704
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 6: DC at Constitution Hall.

705
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: Come on.

706
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 6: So I get on stage and everybody knew faded pictures

707
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 6: and touched me, tease me. When Happily After came, they

708
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 6: sat there. It was like two people clapped. They sat

709
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: and when I hit the long note literally then when

710
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 6: I hit the long note, that then a bide clapped.

711
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 6: When nobody got the seats. Second show, then the piano starts.

712
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 6: It was like maybe fifty people clapped, A couple of

713
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 6: people stood up. Everybody clapped when I hit the note

714
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 6: by like the third fourth show. Soon as everybody stood

715
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 6: I was like, oh shit, we got one. Yeah, that's

716
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 6: that is curious. Yeah, I was like, Okay, we got something.

717
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: I never forget Jojo playing me that record, and I

718
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: spoke about it on another on another episode actually when

719
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: music came because he also I also never forgot when

720
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: him playing me love the first time. Now he used

721
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: to pull up and just have smash like y'all just

722
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 5: had smashes at this time.

723
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: Bro, like these records were going say, and he's like,

724
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: we got one. We got one.

725
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 5: He was like, we got the wedding song of all time,

726
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: the wedding song of all time, Nigga.

727
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. I'm telling you, I'm the problem. Chad.

728
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 5: H'm Then I got that Nigga played happily ever after,

729
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 5: and I was like, this ship is special.

730
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still do their wedding is to this day.

731
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 6: It's crazy, right, even if you're not there. Yeah yeah, yeah,

732
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 6: but you know it's crazy. When I when I first

733
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 6: did my first interviews coming in the game, they'd be like,

734
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 6: what do you want accomplish? It was never money awards.

735
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: It always was I wanted to make music that because

736
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 6: my parents were still listening to the old I'm like,

737
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 6: I want to make music that when people get that age,

738
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 6: they still want to hear it. That was That was

739
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 6: my only goal because that then you live forever. When

740
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 6: you make trendy stuff, you're not you're there, and there's

741
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 6: some people that's going to reminisced over it. But when

742
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 6: it's when it's classic and it's quality, they're gonna they're

743
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: gonna remember it and they're always going to want to

744
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: hear it. And that's what I wanted to do.

745
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: You think you got some of them, but.

746
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: I think, like, and just to add to what you're saying, like,

747
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: it wasn't not trendy. It wasn't not for the time.

748
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: It was just it was just very good music. Yeah,

749
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: But there's a difference between for the time and trend Well,

750
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't. It's hard to say because because

751
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: in nineties and in nineties, I don't remember a lot

752
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: of trendy music in the nineties.

753
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: I remember in the nineties it was a lot of

754
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: great in the yeah, a couple of ye.

755
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: It was in between a lot less than Yeah.

756
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 6: It was late.

757
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: There was like if there was eighty percent eighty five

758
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 3: percent quality music in the nineties, easy that is still

759
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: play easy to this day, and I think that that

760
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: was the trend.

761
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, in that time, was you gotta make some fires.

762
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us, I think a lot

763
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: of us felt that way.

764
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: That was the that was the now. Now today's trend

765
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: is viral. He's got to make TikTok, right right, Yeah,

766
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, I'm saying that to say like that.

767
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: Was the trend.

768
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: To be fly, to be fired, to have some substance

769
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: to be around man, that was it. Yeah, people were

770
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: signing that. Yeah, that's what they're looking for. What they

771
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: was looking for, Where's where, where's the all timer? It's

772
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: Clive Davis. Yeah, Yeah, that's what they're looking for.

773
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: And that's why.

774
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 6: But the music reflected that, you know what I mean,

775
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 6: that's what the musicians and the music nigga.

776
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: You got nigga nigga, y'all wasn't singing through no auto tune,

777
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: through no like never heard of, never heard of it, y'all.

778
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: Y'all was standing on business like sing nigga.

779
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: You better say.

780
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 6: That's what Uncle Charlie used to Come here, you better

781
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 6: be singing, boy, keep gapping see every folk keep gapping

782
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 6: baby here hang up.

783
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: I mean at the end of the song he said,

784
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: I can't sing no more. On the pict sang, oh boy,

785
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, because it wasn't about

786
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: punching in.

787
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: It wasn't about punching. It was about just full out singing.

788
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: People don't realize probably how many times you had to sing.

789
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: That song over and over.

790
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 6: That night, they had to sing it twice.

791
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: He just sang through.

792
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 6: But because I was sick. I had before that whole week,

793
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 6: I had laryngitis. I landed in La on Monday. It

794
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 6: was like, we gotta do this song, missing you. I

795
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 6: was like, all right, cool. I get here on Monday night.

796
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 6: I don't know what happened. Tuesday, I can't sing, so

797
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, push it to Wednesday. Wednesday, still

798
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 6: can't sing. I'm drinking stuff all day.

799
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: I still can't.

800
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 6: No. No, this time, I honestly don't know what happened.

801
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 6: It came out of nowhere. So now it's Wednesday night,

802
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 6: I still can't sing. Thursday night, I started feeling better.

803
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 6: I'm like, bet, let's make it for them arow. But

804
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 6: then that night I go to the studio with Joab.

805
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 6: We do living it up and then I go hang

806
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 6: out afterwards man and I lost my voice again. But

807
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 6: this time I can't talk. So today is like it

808
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 6: is Friday. If we don't do it today, we can't

809
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 6: do missing you. So I get to the studio. I'm like,

810
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 6: I try.

811
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: I've been drinking.

812
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 6: I'm drinking everything all day. It's not working.

813
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: So JoJo's with me.

814
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 6: He was like, I'll talk to you. He's like yo,

815
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 6: he don't have his voice. He's like, we're gonna do

816
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 6: what we can. So he was like, Okay, can you

817
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 6: go through it one time?

818
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 4: Yeah?

819
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 6: So he puts it, puts it on and go through

820
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 6: it the first time. He's like, you give me one more.

821
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 6: I was like, So I get to the the end

822
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 6: of the of the song and I felt it was

823
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 6: I'm like I can't sing no more. And I'm like this,

824
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 6: like I can't sing no more, babe. And then I

825
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 6: stopped and so I go and I'm knocking on the window.

826
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 6: They all in there like this. So I come out

827
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 6: the booth and tap. I'm like it's still. I'm like, yeah, song,

828
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, I can't talk no more.

829
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: It was over.

830
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 6: So that that was that it was really over. I

831
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 6: mean the crazy probably both of them songs that nominated

832
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 6: for Grammy.

833
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 2: Bean say in the video.

834
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, but see, nobody knew who she was, didn't really

835
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 6: they were they was new right right right now. It's

836
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 6: a stroke of brilliance. Yeah, that was a stroke of brillids.

837
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 6: But for me, we wanted we wanted somebody for the video.

838
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 6: If you remember back then people had known people videos.

839
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 6: He's like, who could we get like and that that's

840
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 6: everybody was in somebody else's video. So I wanted somebody knew.

841
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 6: So it's like Niel Long, No, she's in this. So

842
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 6: we're going through the list. We're like, we got to

843
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 6: figure out something. And I was in JoJo's office and BT,

844
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 6: one of BT shows was on in the video with

845
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 6: why Cleff came on. I'm like, who's that Zake, I

846
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 6: don't know, we'll find out, go get her. And that's

847
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 6: how it happened. So we called called down there. They

848
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 6: wanted to hear the song, played the song and he's like,

849
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: I bet she came up her her mom, Sa Pop,

850
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 6: Solange and Kelly. Matter of fact, we had a three

851
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 6: days shoot. It was cool as hell. Three day shoot,

852
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 6: three days shoot, three days, three day shoot.

853
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: I shot slowly, Yeah, for two and a half, two

854
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: and a half spent on a slowly video about seven

855
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: and eight hundred.

856
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, them long she spent happily ever after. I don't

857
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 6: even know. I think it was about six something like that.

858
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: You know, it was seven six.

859
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: When I was talking about six thousands. It's about seven

860
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: thousand talking about tape.

861
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, tape, nothing digital, it's all tape. Yeah, you gotta

862
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 6: pay for the actual tape.

863
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: The tape was running. Yeah, we blew up a building

864
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 4: a whole bit.

865
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

866
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: I was actually he was slowly, why would you blow up?

867
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: Because I was saying, he wrote slowly, Yeah, we blew

868
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: it up. We used the stunt men from the Matrix. Yeah,

869
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: the actual stunt men almost cut my finger off with

870
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: the wire, the hanging wire when I did my Ninja

871
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: kick kicked I'm hanging med air j boutine in the

872
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: middle of a warehouse.

873
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: I was like to go listen to the lyrics so

874
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: slowly yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and didn't think about

875
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: all the dumb shit f up this was going on.

876
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: Don't lose her fingers slowly, that's fucked up. Take off

877
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: this dedication that.

878
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: Look at my hand is gone.

879
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna join in on this. It was a whole

880
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: bunch of rolls.

881
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, cool, it was part of a reel, It

882
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: was part of my real It all worked out, though,

883
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: it works out, And.

884
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: Now he wanted to know why he ain't never seen

885
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: the royalty.

886
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: Not for that.

887
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, you know, I'm seeing royalties now.

888
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: You know.

889
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: That's all the matters. Those days were just wow that

890
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: you were like, it was normal, customary. Absolutely if you

891
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: if your.

892
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 6: Video wasn't at least a quarter million, they didn't care

893
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: about you, right, And then it got to a point

894
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 6: where people was trying to top each other.

895
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 5: Right, once Missy came with the million dollars her and

896
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: Buster rymes a million dollar videos.

897
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 6: I remember I was on the set for Buster when

898
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 6: he did the video with Janet Yeah, and we was like, say, yo,

899
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 6: this video costs I think it was like two million

900
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 6: and something crazy like wow, wow dollars two dollars dollars

901
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 6: and I think touch Me Teach Me video only costs

902
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 6: maybe maybe a hundred and Brett Ratner shot it. Brett

903
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 6: Ratner was directed to Touch Me TV. It didn't cost

904
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 6: it costs nothing because it was real simple, right, But yeah,

905
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 6: we were spending money on it.

906
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: In hindsight, that. I guess it didn't make too much sense,

907
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: but it made so much sense at the time. But

908
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: then this was part of making the star. Yeah, this

909
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: is part of it.

910
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: It's like we're making movie stars, making entertainers necessary. It's necessary.

911
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: Cost that video move the needle. Yes, thanks to Michael Jackson.

912
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you had a fire video that could change

913
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: the complexion of your song at radio and all of that,

914
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: and just.

915
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 6: In general, just for the consumer, because there isn't plenty

916
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 6: of times I saw I heard a song and I

917
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 6: was like, you see the video, Like, now, wait a minute,

918
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 6: this is kind of right, you know what I'm saying

919
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 6: that and that happened.

920
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: That happens sometimes. So how was it being signed to

921
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: rap label?

922
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, as an R and B R because yeah, you

923
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 5: can say, okay, yeah, they was talking about the R

924
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 5: and B d and makes it, but you're still an

925
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 5: R and B singer at the end of the day.

926
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: And this is historically very much so it was. It was.

927
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: It has some trying times because the sensibilities between hip

928
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 6: hop and especially a hardcore hip hop label and R

929
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 6: and B. Sometime they didn't get it. Sometimes you can't

930
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 6: really explain it to them. Other times they would listen

931
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 6: to the people that they had in place that did

932
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 6: get it. But there were there were definitely times when

933
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 6: it was stuff that we I think, I feel like

934
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 6: we should have did things that we could have done

935
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 6: that didn't happen because they didn't get it.

936
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: They didn't get it.

937
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that's the only downside to something like.

938
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: Did you did you find?

939
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: You know because Tank talks about this because you kind

940
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: of have one of those names too, even though your

941
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: real name is actually Case, you have a name that

942
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 5: is not R And you know what I'm saying, like,

943
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: you don't know if Case is a rapper. You don't

944
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 5: know if Cases are. So did you have that early

945
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 5: on too, where they were putting you on these shows?

946
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 5: It's esecially because your first record came with a rapper too. Yeah,

947
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: well you're like the only R and B guy and

948
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: it's you method man.

949
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 6: And you know what I'm saying, like, well, yeah, because

950
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 6: I think we did a lot of the nutty professor

951
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 6: stuff together, so Me, Foxy, jay Z, State Property, all

952
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 6: of all of them dudes, and it was it was

953
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 6: the worst.

954
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: I see.

955
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 6: I remember one time we had a show in at

956
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 6: the Paramount theater. You might have been there. It was

957
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 6: Little Kim Biggie, somebody else, me and Aliyah, and I'm like,

958
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 6: who did this? I'm it was probably like this is

959
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 6: like ninety six okay, I'm like who did this? Like,

960
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 6: I mean it was all rappers, like it might have

961
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 6: been like Mob Deep. I'm like, who put me in

962
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 6: the lee on this show?

963
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: Yo?

964
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 6: Like that? So it was a lot of that, like

965
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 6: we would do like homecomings like Delaware State and stuff,

966
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 6: and it's all them homecomings.

967
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did all the super wrapped out, super wrapped out.

968
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: Like when I came in it was the Dirty South

969
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: was well yeah.

970
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the rise.

971
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 5: So I'm in there with yin Yang Twins, Chris and

972
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 5: Miracle because at least he was also singing touch Me

973
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 5: Teach Me, which I didn't have a touch Me teach me.

974
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm singing maybe I deserve I'm like this, Oh yeah,

975
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 6: that's hard work.

976
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: Who's going next you?

977
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how it work.

978
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: I just ran into one of the Yang Twins at

979
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: the in Vegas the other day. He's like, what I

980
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: think I used to kick my ass man? Yeah, but

981
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: it was like my name was Tank, like you said,

982
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: so like they wouldn't even listen to my record. The

983
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: radio stations like, well, just send him down here and

984
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: put them on this show, and then we'll think about

985
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: putting his record in and I end up that's me

986
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: and a little mull on all hip hop shows. At

987
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: the worst show it was in the beginning, I hated

988
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: it because it's like nobody's there for me at all,

989
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: at all at all, Like, not only do they not

990
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: know me, but who's the nigga singing?

991
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: Why is the nigga singing? Read the room the nigga?

992
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: But if the room was not a room for me.

993
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 6: That happened to me in Philly one time at the

994
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 6: Dell East. They put me on the show with the Whispers.

995
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 6: So I'm looking out there, this is a whispers crowd,

996
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 6: all my fans. We still yet they was way in

997
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: the bag because they ain't have no jobs and stuff.

998
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 6: Back we were still not join these. So I'm on

999
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 6: stage just like pull your pasts up. So I'm like, okay,

1000
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 6: I'm performing there.

1001
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: Yelling from the crowd.

1002
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 6: Yeah it was the same dude. So the crowd is laughing, right,

1003
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 6: it's the same dude. He like where the whisp was

1004
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 6: at late. I'm like, stop the music. Though, I'm like,

1005
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all old asses got to go

1006
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 6: to work tomorrow whatever, but I ain't going nowhere. The

1007
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 6: whispers in the back somewhere. So I looked at my

1008
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 6: Bernard Bell God bless it dead.

1009
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: He was.

1010
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 6: He was my MD. I'm like, be you know what

1011
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 6: to do.

1012
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: So we went hard time. I was done, got to

1013
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: stand over age. By the time we got back to

1014
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: the hotel.

1015
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 6: I was on the news. B I'm like, dig go

1016
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 6: to whispers. I'm like, but I know that feeling of

1017
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 6: they didn't come for you, Like damn, I wish we

1018
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 6: got to make the show this long tonight, like you

1019
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 6: want to get up out of there.

1020
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 4: So I'm going to show in Baltimore. What ever I do.

1021
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, here your show to everybody that's gonna be

1022
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: this is gonna be great. Hell yeah, come out there

1023
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: doing my aggressive R and B thing. I'm well coated

1024
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: in oil, done enough push ups to make this exciting

1025
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: and interest.

1026
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: It should be okay, should be okay.

1027
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 4: Shirt off.

1028
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: You just think it's all women. Everybody get a nigga.

1029
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: They are sitting in the audience.

1030
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: Like this, Oh, I hate that.

1031
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: You ain't got no incense, nigga.

1032
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 6: I was thinking that in my head, like you left

1033
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 6: out the incense, you ain't got it.

1034
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had shoes on.

1035
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: Where's your wrap? I had my shoes on. That was

1036
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: the first first.

1037
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you got to be you gotta be bedfoot.

1038
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: I forgot.

1039
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: I learned that do a show. Yeah you have. This

1040
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: is a barefoot experiences.

1041
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 4: It's a thing.

1042
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: We're not talking about the wine. I literally was like,

1043
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: what is going on out here? They were not there

1044
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, and you can't take it personal. They

1045
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: can take a person in front of my energy either.

1046
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: They weren't there for that. They came for a seance.

1047
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 6: They wanted to hear you say beloved a lot they want,

1048
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 6: I'm telling you because I don't. I'm no joints like that. Dog.

1049
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 6: You gotta like it's certain audiences that ain't.

1050
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: It just ain't today for you.

1051
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes, am I lying up? The beloved audience is not?

1052
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: Really they'll be checking for some of stuff we'd be doing.

1053
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1054
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 5: Now you definitely have to even when you know still

1055
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 5: as even from the management side. For me, when certain

1056
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: shows come in, I'm like, yeah, I don't know how

1057
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 5: that one will make sense. We have those conversations. I'm like,

1058
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 5: you know, because at first, early on, I didn't used

1059
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 5: to think to ask who's on the lineup, you know

1060
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 5: what I mean, because we just we grind it.

1061
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: We need that money.

1062
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get into these shows. And then it started

1063
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: to be like.

1064
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 5: You know what, I need to ask who's on the

1065
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 5: lineup because we've been to one too many shows that

1066
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 5: just don't make sense and you're not getting the best

1067
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 5: experience out of it.

1068
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: And he can't give his best because, like he said,

1069
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: they wasn't there for him.

1070
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they make it known.

1071
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: You got to get to your people.

1072
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 5: Like it's cool, right, Like you get a couple extra

1073
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 5: fans out of performing with certain people. But these crowds

1074
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 5: and these audiences, especially whoever the headliner is, if you're

1075
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 5: not the headliner too, Yep, they're coming for the headliner.

1076
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: They come for the whispers. Like you said, that's what

1077
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: they came for. They was coming for Badu.

1078
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 4: Yep.

1079
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: So everybody got a camera, so now everybody is filming this.

1080
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: Now they can document the document that this happened. Yeah,

1081
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: Nigga wasn't sweet right here though.

1082
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be chilling these shows.

1083
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's different. Yeah, sir, who do you pat

1084
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 6: on your vocal?

1085
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: After?

1086
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: I have I have a guess, but I want who

1087
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: do you?

1088
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: Who?

1089
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: Do you think?

1090
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 6: It's a combination. It's a lot of Charlie Wilson, a

1091
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: whole lot of Charlie. Yeah, it's like I remember he

1092
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 6: used to call and just be like, yeah, this is

1093
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 6: how you do it. I sat on the floor behind

1094
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 6: him while he was I wrote a song for him

1095
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 6: and he's doing the vocals, Like, how you want me

1096
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 6: to sing it? I'm like, sing you can sing it

1097
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 6: in Spanish if you so, I'm sitting on the floor

1098
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 6: while he's doing his vocals. Mind, there's no iPhones. I'm

1099
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 6: just sitting there like a kid, and he's doing his vocals. So, yes,

1100
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 6: like Charlie, is Marvin Gaye in there, some David ruffin.

1101
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: It's just different stuff you Charlie.

1102
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. You're like, yeah, Charlie, he's one of

1103
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: the disciples. Yeah, but I got that too. He brought

1104
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: me on stage one day.

1105
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 6: He's like, okay, this this is when they was all

1106
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 6: on stage gap and he was like, he's gonna get

1107
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: gaptized tonight.

1108
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: So he's like gapitized.

1109
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 6: He's like, this is gonna be his gaptism tonight. He goes,

1110
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 6: we're gonna gae night. Yeah, I got a I got

1111
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 6: gaptized on stage in Saint Martin.

1112
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 4: We need just talked Uncle Chuck.

1113
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 6: He brought me on stage and but he see here's

1114
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 6: what he did. So I met him earlier that day.

1115
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 6: So he's on stage. I'm at the concert. He's like, yeah,

1116
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 6: there's a young brother. You know, I met him. I'm

1117
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 6: really really George work da da da, which I think

1118
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 6: maybe I should do a song. So now I'm mad

1119
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 6: as hell, like because everybody with me knew he was

1120
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 6: gonna bring I didn't know. So I'm like, we about

1121
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 6: to bring up here.

1122
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm heated.

1123
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 6: I'm like he should bring me up there. So as

1124
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 6: he's doing this whole big build up and then they

1125
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 6: bring me, I'm like, oh me, and I did Yearning

1126
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 6: for Your Love with him. He was like, Okay, you've

1127
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 6: been gaptized. And he was like, you've been gaptized now,

1128
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 6: young nigga.

1129
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: He on the base.

1130
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 6: He like, yeah, that was funny. He's like, yeah, you've

1131
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 6: been gaptized. Now you're a little gapper. I haven't been gaptized.

1132
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 6: I got my little gapper tattoo too. You got the

1133
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 6: baby gappers, the old gappers. You love Napolis toe tappers.

1134
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: He used to say all that when he was on

1135
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: his apple. Yeah, you feel indeed.

1136
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 5: You know it's crazy though, because I feel like when

1137
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: I met you, it was during the phase of you

1138
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 5: were kind of in and out. I was out by

1139
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 5: the time I met you, right, yeah, So, and obviously

1140
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: we met through Jojo and I remember I pulled up

1141
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 5: to your crib, that crib in Atlanta, yep.

1142
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: Ready bucket, and I had I had to, I had to,

1143
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: had the cousins with me.

1144
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: I had run it down with me.

1145
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 5: Full gangsters, and I just remember us leaving them niggas

1146
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 5: being like that nigga case crazy.

1147
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: These was too full fledged, you know, gangsters, niggas like

1148
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 2: case crazy.

1149
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 6: Around that time, my crib was would Man. Yeah, And

1150
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 6: I tell her my crib. What we used to do

1151
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 6: is go to the strip club, hang out whatever. After

1152
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 6: the strip club, they all come into my crib.

1153
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 4: Which which strip club? Oh what is it?

1154
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 6: I think that was the Masters because were you in

1155
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 6: the bucket?

1156
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: It was buggets. Yeah.

1157
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 6: And so if you come you came on a team night.

1158
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 6: Who a team name on the team. So we come

1159
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 6: in this is it's like sid my homeboys, like, yo,

1160
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 6: come here.

1161
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, what's up.

1162
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 6: He's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, come on

1163
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 6: me outside. I walk outside. He's like he opened the

1164
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 6: now look around. I was like, yeah, He's like, this

1165
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 6: ship don't look real. What's the problem. But this looked

1166
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 6: like He's like this ship looked like a Guns and

1167
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 6: Roses dressing room, like it was chicks in the dining room,

1168
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 6: calling himself black and Rose. But they started They started

1169
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: that because Mike Kaiser and them used to be like,

1170
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 6: you know what when they first made me, like, you

1171
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 6: don't act like R and B singing. You need to

1172
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 6: be a rock and roll dude. You act like a Roles.

1173
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, but I'm black and that's what it's.

1174
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 6: It's black and rolls a black Ax Roles. But yeah,

1175
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 6: he used to be buck wild at that crib. Yeah

1176
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 6: it was wold.

1177
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: I was still on the Tame Night.

1178
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah JK.

1179
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 6: It was a team night cause and the nigga still

1180
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 6: was like that nigga crazy because I had to keep

1181
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 6: a team because I ain't know him and I ain't

1182
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 6: want to offend him, you know what I'm taking. Jojo

1183
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, he cool whatever. So I'm like, well,

1184
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 6: I can't. I can't invite him into the full fledge

1185
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 6: because he might be like Nigga. So I was like,

1186
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 6: you're gonna be cool, y'all, but.

1187
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: Nick Case is gonna be one of my hand Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1188
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: I know.

1189
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: That was exciting.

1190
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 5: Oh man, oh boy, this is pretty thanks and it

1191
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 5: was a celebration, man, oh man, and you wake up

1192
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 5: the next day you be stepping over people. I'm like, yeah,

1193
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 5: is this around the time, nigga when you accidentally shot yourself?

1194
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 6: Nigga, No, accidentally shot myself February fifth, two thousand and two,

1195
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 6: the day after the Patriots win the Super Bowl, the

1196
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 6: first Super Bowl.

1197
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: How the fuck you do that?

1198
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 6: Dig if you wiel the picture. So I'm sitting in

1199
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 6: the crib, me and my girl at the time.

1200
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 4: We fucked up.

1201
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 6: We had we've been out, we've been wilding out all night.

1202
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 6: So I used to keep the gun behind the behind

1203
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 6: the headboard. So I'm doing it and now I'm fucked

1204
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 6: up and I'm playing with the shit. Not little, but

1205
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 6: I'm I'm fiddling with the shit when I should have

1206
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 6: just did it. And I started talking and that shit

1207
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 6: went off. It blew my ass across the room and

1208
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 6: I'm laying there, and I remember it was the most

1209
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 6: peaceful feeling that lady was like, I think he died

1210
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 6: because they said that was gonna be dead by the

1211
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 6: time I got to the hospital. But it was the

1212
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 6: most peaceful. I can't even explain the most peaceful feeling

1213
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 6: I ever felt. And it was just dead quiet. And

1214
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 6: I remember in my head being like, yo, I fucking

1215
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 6: killed myself. I'm like, I fucking shot myself. And I

1216
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 6: heard a voice say get up, and I sat up

1217
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 6: and the TV was black, Good Times was on. It

1218
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 6: was like five thirty in the morning.

1219
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: The lights was on.

1220
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: My girl was screaming and running. She ran through the

1221
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 6: subject vision back in the house, screaming, but I didn't

1222
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 6: hear none of that. And now I went to see

1223
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 6: where because I knew I didn't know where I was shot.

1224
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 6: So I went and looked in the mirror and I

1225
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 6: tried to sing. And once I saw I could say,

1226
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 6: I sat down, smoked a cigarette, waited. But what she

1227
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 6: was on?

1228
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 2: What that she was? Wow?

1229
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 5: What?

1230
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 4: Yeah? She was Wow?

1231
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: That was your first thought I'm about to smoke this

1232
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: cit No.

1233
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 6: The first thought was where my shot. The first thought

1234
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 6: was wearing my shot.

1235
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: Okay, let's go with the second thought my cigarette.

1236
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 6: No, no no. The second thought was I try to sing.

1237
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: Hard thought, somebody give me a pack of new Ports man.

1238
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 6: Well, oh if I couldn't sing, yeah, I was gonna

1239
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 6: fish that off. Yeah what if I tried to sing

1240
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 6: any Because they said it was like a hair from

1241
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: my vocal cars going in right there and it came

1242
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 6: out a hair from hitting my spine. They said, either

1243
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 6: you was going to not be able to sing or

1244
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 6: talk or you paralyzed. And he was like, we don't

1245
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 6: know how.

1246
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: And they did a test.

1247
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 6: They was like it missed everything. And they was like,

1248
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 6: we don't know how that's possible. Straight through They said

1249
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: it was straight that came in and they said it

1250
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 6: but it missed everything. Gular vein is right there. I

1251
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 6: missed everything. And I'm sitting in there and I'm like,

1252
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 6: so people keep coming in my room because everybody's there,

1253
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 6: My baby, mama is there, my girl at the time

1254
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 6: is there, and they looking all sad and shit, and

1255
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 6: now nobodys telling me nothing. I'm cracking jokes so everybody

1256
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 6: keeps coming in the room. So I'm like, why is

1257
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 6: everybody coming in here? And later because they want to

1258
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 6: see the dude that they said over the radio is

1259
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 6: gonna be dead when he got here. He's sitting here

1260
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 6: cracking jokes. That's why they keep coming in here. Somebody

1261
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 6: put that on the radio over No, not the radio

1262
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 6: over there. They would transport me in the ambulance and

1263
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 6: they was like, I was probably gonna be dead when

1264
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 6: I got there. And they was like, and now they

1265
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 6: hear you and hear cracking jokes. That's why everybody keeps

1266
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 6: coming and looking in the room, coming into the hospital room,

1267
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: into my room. They looking like because niggas like hearing

1268
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 6: they're cracking jokes. They're like, hell no, and they looking

1269
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 6: They're like this nigga's cracking jokes. But nobody's telling me this.

1270
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 6: At the time, I'm just like, why is everybody coming

1271
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 6: in here? And they said that was why that she's crazy.

1272
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: These are the stories that make you feel musical. Huh

1273
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: is what you feel. That's where it comes.

1274
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: From, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, brother, case,

1275
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: my fellow, the real enthusiastic in all your years breaking

1276
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: the rules. Yeah, putting your own life in jeopardy, youth.

1277
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 3: You know this music thing, man, you do this music thing,

1278
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: then you try.

1279
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: Try my best. You've been gaptized.

1280
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 2: He's a rock star.

1281
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: He's a rock star.

1282
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: In the midst of all this deparchery that you've participated

1283
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 3: it in, I thought there was some music playing. It

1284
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: ended up being some of your favorite brother case. The

1285
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: world wants to know what's your What.

1286
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: They want to know?

1287
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 8: Top five?

1288
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 4: Your top five?

1289
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 8: You know you got top five, your top five R

1290
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 8: and B singers?

1291
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: What else are and so.

1292
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: You go to no shot in your th you.

1293
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 4: Hold a node.

1294
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: If you still to this day, what your yes, I

1295
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: can't say this is.

1296
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: All you.

1297
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: Think about?

1298
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: Mind?

1299
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: Yes, sir? Yeah, yeah? Top five real the case you're

1300
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: top five R and B singer R and B singers.

1301
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 6: I mean they can be saying, Okay, Stevie Wonder talk,

1302
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 6: Charlie Wilson, come on man, Donny Hathaway, come on man,

1303
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 6: Marvin Gaye. A Twinkie clock, Twinkie clock that was nasty

1304
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 6: weighted in that Yeah.

1305
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, save that one. I saved that one. Yes,

1306
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna hit the pitch anyway.

1307
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she just does something.

1308
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 6: Different, something different with a complimentary. Now to Ella Fitzgerald,

1309
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 6: probably she's she's a machine. She was a machine dog

1310
00:58:59,360 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 6: high level.

1311
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: She was a top tier, top tier, top top tier.

1312
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: Those are foundational all day. Yeah, you can build a career. Yeah,

1313
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: you gotta have a piece of you gotta have a

1314
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: piece of all of Yeah. Yeah, a lease have an

1315
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: understanding of what those are. Yeah, you gotta be in

1316
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: order to be an ARMB singer. That's a fact.

1317
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: Definitely top five ARMB songs.

1318
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 6: That this change is depending on the day of my

1319
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 6: movie Tender Love for some d Yeah, break your fall

1320
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 6: on your day O love that song. That's actually my

1321
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 6: ringtoe right.

1322
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 4: Now she said, Oh my gosh, we love her. Yeah,

1323
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: we love her.

1324
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: Get her.

1325
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 6: Don't you worry about the thanks Stevie Wonder because from

1326
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 6: the time as long as I can remember, I could

1327
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 6: be having the worst day ever. If I play that song,

1328
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 6: I instantly feel better, instantly to this day. Yeh, come

1329
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 6: get to this. Marvin Gay love It and off the Wall.

1330
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson, all.

1331
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: Right, so let's put together your R and B Voltron.

1332
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: All right, you're gonna put together your super R and

1333
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: B artists. So who you're gonna get the vocal from

1334
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: the performance style, the styling, and then the passion of

1335
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: the artists, the heart of the artist. Who you getting

1336
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: the vocal from to make your super artists.

1337
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 6: Getting the vocal from Michael Jackson.

1338
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 5: All tempo, yeah yeah, any up, temple, mid temple, ballads, any.

1339
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 4: Anything you do. Young Michael was young.

1340
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 6: Michael was killing own man.

1341
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 4: He was a killer performance style on stage.

1342
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 6: Combination of Michael Slodstone, Yeah, Slyde was a beast beaf.

1343
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 6: Sly Stone was a beast. Were studying the handbone uts.

1344
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: I love slod SnO, It's called losing yourself in the

1345
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: music every time his whatstop performance. You know he's from

1346
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: the base, so I already know I'm.

1347
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 6: The biggest slang and in the family Stone.

1348
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 5: I think that is something that needs to be revisiting

1349
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 5: in music. Well, he changed every from my opinion, just yeah,

1350
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: absolutely the way he changed things. But artists literally losing

1351
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 5: themselves in the song. Yeah, if you go back and

1352
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 5: you watch literally James Brown losing ten pounds a sholl yeah, yeah,

1353
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 5: because he didn't work so hard, or Marvin Gay or

1354
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 5: Teddy Pens a new addition, but.

1355
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 6: You know what I believe and you correct me if

1356
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 6: I'm wrong. I believe that a lot of that has

1357
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 6: to do with the fact that you get on stage

1358
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 6: and you see a bunch of cameras in your face.

1359
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: It automatically don't want to mess up it.

1360
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 6: Automatically, even if you're not conscious of that.

1361
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 5: It puts it in your head that this is going

1362
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 5: to be This is live everywhere, This is a lot, right,

1363
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: It's not just the one night only thing.

1364
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 6: Right, it's live everywhere. This is live for the world.

1365
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 6: This is like performing at Live eight. You're not trying

1366
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 6: to mess up on live back in the days or

1367
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 6: like that. I think that puts something in your head

1368
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 6: when it comes to losing yourself in the in the music,

1369
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 6: in the performance.

1370
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I can appreciate the artist.

1371
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 5: I can appreciate the artist not messing up on the

1372
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 5: word maybe fall like listen, it's just the performer.

1373
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's like yeah, because you know, there's nothing

1374
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 6: to feed it.

1375
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: It's just this.

1376
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 6: And the first thing I remember the first time I

1377
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 6: saw that, like, didn't they rest rerun for filming the

1378
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 6: du Beat Brothers concert?

1379
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: Taking it?

1380
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, Bady, you got a phone.

1381
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 6: I'm like, it just puts something in my head.

1382
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: The first time.

1383
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 6: I'm like, it immediately changed my mindset. When I got

1384
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 6: on stage and saw everybody had phones, I'm like, it

1385
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 6: took me a minute to get used to that.

1386
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Who are you getting the styling from the drip

1387
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: of the artists?

1388
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 6: Marvin gay hmm yeah, Marve Gang classic, Yes, sir, that's

1389
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 6: that's what a lot of Michael Jackson stuff came them.

1390
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: Aviator is.

1391
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 6: Marvin Gaye was wearing those first, and the military jackets,

1392
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 6: Marvin Gaye was wearing those first, and and Michael Jackson

1393
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 6: started doing it well studies yeah, friend, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah,

1394
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 6: he was.

1395
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: He was the problem.

1396
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 4: Who are in the passion of the artist from ra

1397
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 4: Chall's h m hm.

1398
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 6: That passion there, David Rouffing, that type of passion.

1399
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: It's different.

1400
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 6: That's different. Different, that's different. That's a different type of

1401
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 6: emotion that niggas sing about anything.

1402
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: Very very aggressive man, very aggressive man, easy listen, torture.

1403
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: Sing a song called Let's get Let's go get stoned.

1404
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: You know what I feel like they did it.

1405
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 4: I said, nigga, what come on?

1406
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, before you get out of here, my brother

1407
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no niggs. I ain't saying no names. Yeah,

1408
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no niggas. You are.

1409
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: What you need, don't see she I ain't said no names.

1410
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: You're gonna break.

1411
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we go down. This is gonna be broke. Man actually.

1412
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 4: Galling.

1413
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 1: You gotta gather.

1414
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 5: All right, so we have this, you know, very important

1415
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 5: segment of the show. Yeah, cart I ain't saying no names. Yes, sir,

1416
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 5: the rule to the game. She just can't say no names.

1417
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 5: That's the only rule. You tell us a story funnier,

1418
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 5: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? All your story

1419
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 5: seemed to be Jesus Christ.

1420
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: I got one that I can say the name because

1421
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,479
Speaker 2: it's just funny names.

1422
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 4: Okay.

1423
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: I just got you out the way. It is easy

1424
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: way to say.

1425
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 6: Okay, asking brothers, I got you back it up first

1426
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 6: of all, because.

1427
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: We would like to live happily. You know, we don't

1428
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: want no trouble.

1429
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 6: Y'all gonna be y'all don't like that.

1430
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: Right now?

1431
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 5: It's the man is hit to himself himself case, I

1432
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 5: ain't saying no names.

1433
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 4: Okay.

1434
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 6: So there was an R and B artist that wrote

1435
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 6: a song for me for one of my albums. So

1436
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 6: she invited me and my homeboy over to hear the song.

1437
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 6: Because back in them days it was cassettes. It wasn't

1438
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 6: no emailing the song back and forth whatever.

1439
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: So we're in there.

1440
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 6: Her dude shows up. He's like a big rapper.

1441
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: He don't know us.

1442
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 6: So he rolls up and two dudes in his crib

1443
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 6: with his chick that he don't know. So he looking

1444
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 6: us up and down, introduced ourselves. He's like whatever, So

1445
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 6: we leave. We go to getting our rental cars outside.

1446
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 6: We get in the car, the rental car won't start.

1447
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 6: So now he comes out with her maybe an hour

1448
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 6: later to go pick up the kid from.

1449
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: Day because we know we calling the toe truck.

1450
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 6: We're sitting across the street from his crib in the car.

1451
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: I'm like, Nigga, dis looks crazy.

1452
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: It looks crazy.

1453
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 6: They come back. We're still sitting in the car like Nigga,

1454
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 6: dis looks crazy. But it's freezing outside. We can't wait outside,

1455
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 6: so I'm like, I make sure I get out so

1456
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 6: I could tell her yo what's going on. But I

1457
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 6: could see already that he looking like it looked real suspect.

1458
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 6: So finally the tow truck comes and we get off.

1459
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 6: So then I ran into him. At this time, I

1460
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 6: hadn't had a record out, so I run into him

1461
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yo, remember blah blah blah.

1462
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 4: I was like that was me.

1463
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: He was like, yo, b I thought your niggas was

1464
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: on some bs.

1465
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 6: I'm like, nah, we was. And we laughed about it.

1466
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 6: So but that almost got real hairy.

1467
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1468
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of the spot.

1469
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, for hour, I'm like, yo, this is this don't

1470
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 6: look good. It was nothing we could do because we

1471
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 6: were we just got out the car. First of all,

1472
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 6: it was freezing, but the neighborhood we was in it

1473
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 6: went down. It went down, so we were stuck.

1474
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1475
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 4: Ain't cool.

1476
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, now this is funny. So this chicken dating, we

1477
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 6: go out to dinner at this at this seafood place.

1478
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 6: So me and a limo driver we're like, we're going

1479
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 6: to jump out and get the food. Leaf from the limo.

1480
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 6: We get the food, we come my mouth was like,

1481
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 6: where's the limo? So we can't find a limo.

1482
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 4: Hold you and the limo driver get out.

1483
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: Get out.

1484
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 6: We run out, pulled the hat down. We run in

1485
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 6: to get the food. We leave the chicken in the limo, in.

1486
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: The limo, in the back of the limo.

1487
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, we come out. The limo's gone, but the

1488
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 6: driver with you. The driver's with me, so he looking

1489
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 6: at me. I'm looking at him like nigg I don't know.

1490
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 6: So we're seeing there, we're looking around. Cell phone is

1491
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 6: not really a thing back then, so we're like, yo,

1492
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 6: what the hell happened? So then we see the limo

1493
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 6: come from around the corner. But as it turns, it

1494
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 6: got the whole side of it is a dent and

1495
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 6: it's yellow. So what happened was traffic started building up

1496
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 6: behind the limo. Shorty crawls through the thing. It tries

1497
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 6: to move it, but you know what I mean, yellow

1498
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 6: poles in the part. She caught the side of the

1499
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 6: pole and scraped the whole side of the limo. It tried,

1500
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 6: and then people say, yo, that's so and so it

1501
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 6: scraped the whole side of the limo. It just sat

1502
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 6: there like sorry, yo, yo. The lmo driver was six. Yeah,

1503
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 6: she destroyed his joint. Yeah, she destroyed his joint. It

1504
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 6: was at that moment I'm like, we're going on the

1505
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 6: second date. Doug Life yeah, we was going.

1506
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: On the second date.

1507
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 6: That earned her a second date, That earned her second date.

1508
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 6: Just the balls of this person. Yeah yeah, that earned

1509
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 6: her second date. I drive limos, now this happen.

1510
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: That told me she do what she gotta do if

1511
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: it needs to be done.

1512
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 5: Drive jumped through the partition already is on some foolish

1513
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 5: She's different.

1514
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's different. That's different. That's fair, my brother, case

1515
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: uh man.

1516
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 3: First of all, it's always a time man, Yes, sir,

1517
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 3: anytime were in the building together, it's always love, always

1518
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: the time. We appreciate your your contributions to this thing, man,

1519
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 3: Thank you. Your music's timeless, absolutely, and apparently you are

1520
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: too long. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Along here, man, and.

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Speaker 3: We look forward two more, yes sir, Yeah, come on man,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. As we spoke before the pod.

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Speaker 3: We look forward to more because because you deserve it.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, man. I appreciate you'll. Thank you for having me, yes, man,

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Speaker 6: and you have our support.

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Speaker 4: Yes you got that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, let me.

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Speaker 3: My name is Tank and this is the Army Money Podcast,

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Speaker 3: the authority of all things R and B.

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Speaker 2: That's not the case, y'all? Yes, sir, Yes, Sir R

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Speaker 2: and B Money.

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Speaker 5: R and B Money is a production of the Black

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Speaker 5: Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, is

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Speaker 5: social media at Jay Valentine and at the Real Tank.

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Speaker 5: For the extended episode, subscribe to YouTube dot com or

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