WEBVTT - Cryonics: Hi, Frozen Body! 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.319 from House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.800 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.920 and that makes this stuff you should know that free podcast. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.599 It comes out twice a week, faithfully, and um, you 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.920 don't pay a time for it, do you? Do you? 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.160 I don't. I certainly do not. No one does talk. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.200 It's right, um, but we're still glad that you listened 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:40.960 to it, even though it is free. Hi Frozen Body. Yeah, 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.960 that was your idea, wasn't. It seemed like a no 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.040 brainer for our Simpsons fans to call this cryonics episode 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.879 high Frozen Body. Dr Nick That Um, that episode has 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.440 one of my favorite Simpsons lines of all time. Uh, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:03.120 where the old guy Jasper a sidekick, he the frozen body. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.640 He comes out and he thaws out, and he goes 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.360 over and picks up a moonpie and he goes moon pie. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:15.160 What a time to be alive. I love that. He's great. Yes. So, um, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.319 if you haven't seen that episode of the Simpsons, we 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.200 strongly recommend you do. Right. Yeah, he just gets stuck 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.640 in the freezer right and freezes by accident or something 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.680 in the who starts charging admission to see him? Or 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.520 guess what the withsin the can that lost its label 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:37.280 a long time ago. So, Um, the concept that you 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.960 can freeze body and reanimate it is not just you 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:47.360 know Simpsons lore No, it's not just cartoon TV. Lore No. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.080 Actually there's a guy who um kind of came up 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.800 with this. Uh, I guess in the nineteen four It's 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:01.800 a guy named Robert Inger, and he just died a 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.160 week or so ago. Chuck, that's right, like ten days ago. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.520 The man died, um, which is really weird that he did, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.240 because we had no idea that he was. That didn't 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.679 spur the idea for the podcast. Yeah, you picked this one. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.400 And then it turns out the guy who created the 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:21.280 field of cryonics, who coined the word cryonics, died a 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.400 week before. Yeah. I felt kind of bad because I 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.160 picked this out last week, or maybe it was earlier 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.160 this weekend. Maybe he tapped you on the shower. It's like. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.000 And then I always look at the news just to see, hey, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.840 if there's anything relevant, and I saw that he died. Hey, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.800 when you do. And I saw that he died today, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.760 and my first instant was oh, awesome, how relevant, And 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.200 then I thought, well, that's kind of sad. Yeah, actually 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.200 that was very nice of you to share his oh 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.120 bit with me, though. Is in intro? Yeah, he ninety 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.720 two years old and he is now frozen per his 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.679 wishes in Michigan. Yeah, so he Um. He not only 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.079 established the field of cryonics, which is the UM basically 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.840 the attempt to store human bodies at very low temperatures 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:15.839 in order to eventually revive them. Yeah, they're technically not frozen, right, Yes, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.680 you're absolutely right. UM. To store human bodies at extremely 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:25.040 low temperatures without freezing, that's called vitrification. Get into that. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.960 But he came up with this whole prospect, this whole 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:32.320 idea UM in a book called The Prospect of Immortality, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.720 which is why I just used the word prospect twice. UM, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.400 and he wrote it in and it had a pretty 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.920 sweeping effect. In three years. Three years later, the first 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:49.880 person UM entered cryogenic suspension. Yeah. That was pretty forward thinking, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.640 I would say back then, because this sounds like something 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.520 from the future now. And imagine in the sixth early sixties, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.360 I thought he's nuts, right, But within three years of 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.400 him writing this book, there are they already started carrying 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.680 out his procedures that he kind of came up with 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.119 and described. He's a physics professor, UM. And he founded 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.960 the Cryonics Institute, I believe is what it is called. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:18.440 And UM he joined two wives and his mother in 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:24.200 suspended animation in a nondescript building outside of Detroit. UM. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.159 And the other the guy, the first guy they froze. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.359 I keep I'm gonna say freeze this whole podcast. James Bedford. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.240 He was a seventy three year old psychologist and he 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:39.680 is supposedly still frozen in good shape in Arizona. UM. Yeah, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.920 and we should probably listen to a disclaimer here, like 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.479 when we say frozen or freeze or frozen, when we 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:51.359 really screw up. UM, what we're we're not talking about freezing. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.920 We're talking about, like we said, vitrification, which is a 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.800 process of cooling the body down to extremely low temperatures 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:04.760 without freezing. Freezing is the forming of um ice crystals, right, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.359 is good for the cells of your body. Know. But 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:12.239 what they've found, supposedly, says groups like alk Core Life 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:19.080 Extension UM. They they say that if you vitrify a 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.599 cell or a group of cells, a k a tissue 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.200 or a body or whatever, UM, you can preserve it. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.279 Not indefinitely. There's actually a length of time. Do you 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.120 know that the time link that they say you can 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.800 preserve a body cry genically, I'm going to guess one 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:40.719 thousand years. Do you know why they say that? Uh? No, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.520 Actually because just being on Earth for ten thousand years, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.320 the body is exposed to too much cosmic rays and 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.520 it just destroys the cells on its own death literal 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.719 death bite cosmic ray. Yeah, but it takes ten thousand years. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.159 So they're hoping that UM, and this is the whole 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.960 point of cryonics is is that the people that we 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:08.520 freeze or vitrify now will be able to be reanimated 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.720 and UM cured of any disease, whether it be age 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.880 or heart attack or whatever whatever killed them UM in 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.680 the future. So there's a lot of um stuff floating 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.440 around about cryonics, cryogenics. Walt Disney was not frozen. He 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.640 actually died a year before the first guy was. UM 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.440 was frozen vitrified. Okay, UM, So that's a complete and 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.960 total rumor. But let's get to the let's let's let's 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.000 talk about this, Chuck. There's a lot of people who 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.240 are skeptics of this, you realize, but there's a lot 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.040 of um rationality to it as well. Sure, okay, so 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.280 go well, I think dead is where we should start off. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.640 Oddly enough, at the end is actually the beginning when 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.520 you're talking about cryonics. Um, it's thank you. I just 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.039 made that up. Al core Is is one of the 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.840 big companies in Arizon, and they have a quote dying 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.880 as a process, not an event, and that I don't 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.720 know if that's like they're huge terminator style quote when 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.840 you walk in the lobby, but it should be because no, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.800 they don't have it like on a on a sign 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.480 or anything. Some guy comes up to you wearing like 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.000 nothing but a lab coat and cowboy boots and shakes 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.760 you while he says it and then runs off. That's 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.040 how you're greeted. That's good. He should get a job 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.120 at Walmart. Um. But that is the who. Their whole 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.360 point in that is that when your heart stops speeding, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.320 you were legally dead, but there is still some cellular 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.600 and brain function for a short time, and their goal 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.000 is to nab you in that instant and get the 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.720 process started in that instant and preserve what minimal function 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.120 you still have left in your brain in that instant. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.280 And that's that's based on good science. UM science is 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.720 starting to realize that death is a gradual process. It's 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.160 not like they said, an event. It's not just like 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.680 one moment you're living, next man and you're dead. It's 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.200 the whole thing. Remember we talked lot about organ donation, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.680 about UM brain death and UM cardiac death. And legally, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.000 in the United States, if your heart stop speeding, UM, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.080 you can you can be declared dead. But as far 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.440 as al Core is concerned, your brain is still functioning UM. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.880 So therefore, if you can be preserved, you can be 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:26.440 eventually reanimated. Like I said, this is sound science. Hypothermia 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.840 research has led to a new understanding of heart attacks, right, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.360 So a new technique of reviving a patient with a 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.800 heart attack is to lower their body temperature to like 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:40.000 ninety one degrees very gradually, and then UM revived them 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.320 by letting the body warm back up. And they've also 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.800 found from this research that you can't just inundate it 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.000 with oxygen because oxygen goes in and just kills all 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:54.440 the cells, because there's this horrible caveat to resuscitating a 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.520 heart attack victim is that when you resuscitate them successfully, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.960 you give them oxygen. It's just stay inter procedure at 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.920 hospital and they're alive and happy and everything is good, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.360 and then two days later they die. And so they 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.959 started to look at why people died, and they found 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.520 out that it was because they were their cells were 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.760 perfused with too much oxygen too quickly. So they found 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.680 that if you lower body temperature and then gradually reintroduce 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.360 oxygen in its own you can bring a person back 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.120 effectively from death. Well, it happens all the time, and 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.080 I imagine, I mean that makes sense. It's probably a 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.640 traumatic event to be brought back to life on your 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.920 body itself physiologically, So sure that makes sense. But like 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.800 I just said, it happens all the time. People's hearts stop, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.920 people are trapped under ice and quote unquote dead and 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.840 they're brought back to life and function normally. Sometimes they 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.719 don't function normally. But this isn't so much different than that, No, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.200 it's not. It's and it's based on that, it's based 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.959 on the concept. It is um so Chuck you're saying 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.680 that if you, let's say you are a member of 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.800 al Core Life Extension Foundation, right, which apparently is not 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.240 that expensive. They liken it to um a lifetime of 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.520 smoking cigarettes or having cable TV or the like, which 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.400 is pretty expensive. It is, but still, I mean it's 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.080 not as much as you would think. I think I 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.680 got the fees right here in front of me. Uh, 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.520 if your first family member is you gotta see here's 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.040 the deal. You gotta sign up, and you gotta pay 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:23.800 for life, and then you gotta pay I believe, for 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.960 the process on top of that, right, because it's a 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.319 membership club. And then yeah, you're you're there's going to 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.200 be a spike and pay when you die. So a 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.880 first family member is six hundred and twenty bucks a year. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.439 Each additional family member if you want them on your 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.719 cell phone plan, is three hundred and ten dollars a year. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.760 Minor family member is a hundred and fifty five bucks 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.120 a year. Minor family just an aunt, I guess, not 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.360 like not siblings or or nothing being a kid. Oh 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.440 really no, because it said oh no, no, wait, you're right, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:01.880 says under eighteen, like an aunt, you don't that's like 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.600 outside the nucle your family, all right, and if you're 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.839 a student, good news. It's only three d and ten 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.840 bucks a year. But I imagine you're right jumps up 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.520 when you graduate, because you're not always screw you when 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.880 you graduate. So that's just the membership fees. The actual 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:20.200 body freezing is up to article says to our course 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.240 two hundred now and the in the brain is eighty. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.000 And there's search charges if you're in England a fifteen grand. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.040 Outside US, Canada and England it's grand. I wonder why. 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.959 And then you can also get if you're not a member, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.520 you can pay for a family member. Like let's say 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.679 none of us are members, and you want to freeze 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.200 your father, the herbal Elvis upon his expiration, you would 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.679 have to pay fifty grand two D fifty grand because 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.240 there weren't there weren't any membership dues. Yeah, so it's 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.959 a fifty dollar surcharge if if you just want to say, hey, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.719 I want my dad frozen, and none of us were 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.200 ever members, all right, I'll have to talk to at 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.160 about that, see what he thinks. Um. So uh, let's 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.640 say you are remembering good standing, you you've got, you know, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:14.400 minor family members totally insured under this plan or as 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.640 members as well. And we should also say we keep 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.080 saying al Core. Al Core is the one of the 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.240 it's far and away the most widely known cryonics group. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.640 But um, there's like at least two others, the one 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.040 in Michigan. Let's just go to their websites if you 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.360 want to compare them. The Alcore looks pretty, they're both legit. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.920 But's website it looks sort of like in MySpace pace 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.160 it does. My advice to in the Michigan Institute is 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.200 to just pay some money to your website seriously if 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:46.640 you want to, if you want to be taken seriously. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.280 But that's the one that was founded by um Robert Edinger. Well, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.760 and I think he did the website in Yeah, I 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.640 think so too. He's like, someday there's going to be 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.600 an Internet and this is gonna be the first thing 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.840 on it and it's never gonna change. Um. So, okay, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.040 let's say you're remembering good standing at any of the 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:08.240 the the cryonics UH groups or foundations or labs and 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.079 you're about to die, right yep, what happens to Chuck 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.840 take us through the process. Well, the first thing that 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:19.400 happens is they are literally at your deathbed. The team 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.080 is waiting for you to expire. I want armies. And 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.200 as soon as they do that, as soon as you die, rather, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:31.600 they will, as the article says, spring into action. And also, Chuck, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.679 we should say they have to wait until you declare 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:38.680 deatti to um to put someone into a cryonic suspension, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.600 or as the Michigan website says, right now, it's illegal. Okay. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.520 So I think they envision the future or where you're 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.200 if you're on life support or something you could probably 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.040 or if you're just fully healthy, they also envisioned a 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.160 future or we reanimate dead people. Yeah, that's true. Uh 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.040 So what they do is they spring into action. They 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.680 stabilize your body by getting blood flowing in oxygen, but 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.880 I guess not too much oxygen, and they pack you 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.840 an ice and pump in some heperin, which is an 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.760 anti coagulant so your blood doesn't clot. And then they 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.800 rush the opposite of Calf's stomach. Yeah exactly, and then 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.480 they rush you to the facility where the real science begins. Right, 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:22.960 And it's about here that things get a tad um 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.480 cutting edge, I would say, so. So Basically, what they 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.280 have to do is remove the water from your body, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.440 right and not just like your p or your saliva. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.000 They gotta literally get the water out of your cells. Yeah. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.080 I read at least six of your cells, so it 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.280 must be all the organ cells and and and they 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.920 go after the brain in particular. Your brain is of 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.440 the utmost importance. UM. And you can actually have your 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:56.280 brain alone cryonically suspended for something like fifty k K 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.880 raised it in the past five Here is this article written. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.880 I don't think it's that long ago, but hey, it 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.120 ain't cheap um. And they still stort in your head. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.400 By the way, it's not like futurama. Oh cool, they 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.000 said it does too much damage and why bother. Their 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.360 head is a great bowling ball case essentially, so here 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.680 they just cut your head off and preserve the whole thing. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:20.040 But it's really just your brain that's undergone the vitrification process. Yeah, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.520 that is neat ted. Williams's head is floating somewhere. His 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.960 whole body wasn't. They removed the body there in two 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:32.720 separate chambers. Oh, that's right ahead of at um. So uh. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.280 When you're on the table, they remove the water from 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.160 your body, and how did they do that? I didn't 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.520 understand how they remove water from your cells? You're asking me, Yeah, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.040 I don't know. Is it a pressing? I don't know, man, 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.480 I've had the doctor. I tried to find out the 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.760 literal process of how they get the water from the 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.240 cells and replace it with the anti freeze. But they do. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.080 They do replace it with anti freeze, a glycol based 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.480 um basically a human anti freeze syro protectant is what 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:07.280 they call it, a Cairo cry We got there eventually, 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.960 croct Jerry's like, this is not their best day. Yeah, 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.320 it's a cryo protective. So they pump you full of 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:19.360 this stuff basically like embalming fluid that will never freeze UM. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.720 And then they lay you on a bed of um 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:28.120 dry ice. And here, this is astounding to me that 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.800 you can even get any tissue down to this this 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.960 um degree. But basically they freeze your body. They I'm sorry, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.680 they vitrify your body down to negative a hundred and 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.480 thirty degrees celsius, which is negative two d and two 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.840 degrees fahrenheight, negative two hundred degrees fahreheight. And they're like 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.680 absolute zero. I don't know we've called on that before, right, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.800 I will figure it out. No, we've been called out 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.800 on whether forty degrees is negative forties the same in 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.160 celsius or fahrenheight, which it is. Um. And then once 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.399 your body reaches that temperature, you're vitrified, you're ready to go, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.879 You're ready to be stored for up to ten thousand years. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.360 And what they do is they put you in a tank. Right. Yeah, Well, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.840 first of all, that means that means that your molecules 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.640 have slowed down to the point where the chemistry stops. Right, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.560 there's no metabolism going on whatsoever. Nothing. It's called the 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:29.000 glass transition temperature. And uh so it just everything kind 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:34.280 of goes. That's suspended animation. It's a perfect example of it. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.440 That's great. So they stuff you in the tank, right, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.960 that's right, called a well, if if it's just your head, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.879 it's called a neuropod, right, and then if it's your body, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.080 it's called a um I think a cryopod. I'd call 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.240 it a full body pod. Okay, But so and then 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.840 they put you in a container that can hold maybe 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.640 four or five bodies because you're not by yourself. Yeah, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.119 that's a little a weird Yeah, I thought so too, UM, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.080 especially if somehow you're still cognizant, Like if that was 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.480 possible and you just didn't really like the people around you, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.399 you're stuck would stink. UM. So there's a there's a 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.320 pretty nice picture of an alk core container that holds 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:23.800 UM four whole body pods and six neuropods. Right, UM, 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.320 So it's like a freaky futuristic nursing home in there, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.840 you know. UM. And there you go. You're you're on 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.160 ice as it were for ten thousand years, and then 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.120 every once in a while they have UM what are 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:44.920 called UM profusion thresholds I believe, and then have software 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.960 that measures that like the concentration of liquid nitrogen, because 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.679 that's what you're in. You're in a bad of liquid 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.840 nitrogen that's being cooled down ultimately, even even less than 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.440 two d and two degrees high, it's down. When you're 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.760 in cold storage as it were, UM, you are stored 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.960 in about negative three twenty degrees fahrenheit, and liquid nitrogen 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.800 at that temperature will eventually evaporate, so they have to 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.280 keep adding some and they have software that monitors this, 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.960 and there you go. You're officially in cryogenic suspension head 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.720 head down, upside down, yeah, which I thought was pretty 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.440 clever in fact to the podcast for me, if there's 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.159 a leak, do you want your head down because you 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.159 want your brain? I guess if it leaks, the bottom 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.080 obviously will be the last bit too contain any of 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.880 the liquid, so that's where they want your head. It's 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.160 very clever. But again, if you're the least bit conscious 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.400 or cognizant or anything like, you're you're dead. Yeah, but man, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.640 can you imagine like that? That gives me a headache 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.840 just thinking about being upside down? I'm sure it's awful. 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.720 All the frozen blood brushes to your head, that's right, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:52.960 and one giant block ice I see blood, yeah, vitrified 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.840 that's right. So, um, what's the deal with all this chuck? 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.800 I mean, as we said, it's a lot of people 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.600 who criticize this stuff, and it seems like for good measure, 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.520 they're saying, like, you know, you're just like this is 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.320 a nice, fancy process that you guys have come up with, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.840 and we're sure that you know you're doing everything you're saying, 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.239 and yes, it is based on real science, but you 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.399 can base anything on real science. And it's still just 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:26.679 pseudo science. If it's not science, it's pseudoscience, it's trickery. Right. Well, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.360 they get a lot of heat obviously, places like al 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.920 Core do, and they one of the problems, they say 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.439 is that UM, first of all, it's it's based on 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:42.600 three very different, uh scientific fields. So the reason why 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.520 most scientists don't come out and say this can work 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.440 is because they're scientists in a single given field and 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.520 they don't understand that this involves three very different disciplines 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.200 like podiatrists. So yeah, exactly. Uh. One of the other 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.639 problems is that they they one of the reasons that 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:06.840 uh what they call cryobiologists or yes, cryo biologists, people 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.359 who study UM low temperature biology. Yeah, they say that 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.520 they don't come out and say it can work because 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.159 they feel like it has been given the pseudoscience moniker 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.680 and so it will overshadow the real work they've done, 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.000 quote unquote real work that they've done with other kinds 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.359 of cryo freezing. So they're just like, I don't even 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.280 want to talk about that stuff, right, I mean, your 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.800 professional reputation is at stake. Yeah. Sure, But again that 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:37.639 doesn't necessarily mean that just because UM skeptics have labeled 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.000 this fraud that it doesn't necessarily work. The other big 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:49.320 point as far as um crionic groups or boards or whatever, um, 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.040 the the point that they tend to make usually is 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.560 that we have no idea how to reanimate anybody. Yeah, 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.480 they're upfront about that. Yeah, they're saying, like, what we're doing, 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.800 and um, this is what al core life extension is 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:06.080 known for. Is basically they know how to vitrify tissue 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:10.640 and then just keep it that way, um, indefinitely. And 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.600 so that's what they're saying they're doing. And basically they're 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.000 just the keepers of these bodies that are in suspended 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:21.399 animation or dead depending on your view, um, until we 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.920 come up with a way to revive them and repair 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.840 anything that might have been wrong with them. And the 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:34.560 the great white hope, apparently is among cryogenic adherents is nanotechnology, 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:38.200 which makes sense right, which is uh, I mean nanotechnology. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.760 They can get down to the single atom and and 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:45.119 do mechanics work essentially right, repair work on the cells. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.520 So they think that that is the future of being 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.959 able to reanimate people like this, which again it's it's um, 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.240 that's all well and good, but you can't just be like, oh, yeah, 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.000 we heard about nanotechnology and that's probably where it will be. 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.320 And how about this, Not only will it be the 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.040 field of nanotechnology that reanimates people, but it will be 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.879 in which is apparently the number that they throw out. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.640 So um dubious there. But it seems like if they 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.119 stick to the fact that no, we're putting people in 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.560 suspended animation, and there's a good chance that if death 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.920 is a process and we're getting to this process, we're 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.200 interrupting this process, then we can reverse it. Yeah, they're 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.879 not saying we're promising eternal life. We we're promising that 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:31.960 we can bring you back from the dead. They're basically 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:36.600 pretty upfront about saying we are a high tech storage facility. Period. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.239 So when we when we talk about reanimating people, this 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.480 is not new. Um. The idea of reanimating a corps 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:50.760 is extremely old. Um. There's a there was this cool 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:57.159 little movement in the nineteenth century called galvanic reanimation. What's that. 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:03.040 Basically it amounted to um hooking recently killed executed criminals 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:07.919 up to like huge batteries via cables and during public 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.800 display like applying the electricity and making them like twitch 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.560 and making their eyes open or making them grimace horribly. 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.800