Speaker 1: Welcome back, all the Smoke, twenty twenty five All Star
Speaker 1: here in the beautiful Bay Area. I'm glad it's not
Speaker 1: raining today. We got someone here today. Go ahead, special edition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of who we'll get to this part, but just
Speaker 1: very instrumental in me and both of me and Stack's careers.
Speaker 1: There ain't no telling where if this guy didn't kind
Speaker 1: of stamp us, we probably wouldn't be here, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because we was both on a fucked
Speaker 1: up path at the point when we came here.
Speaker 2: I was so bad when I got here, I got
Speaker 2: suspended seven games, played one.
Speaker 1: And they couldn't even suspend me because I wasn't on
Speaker 1: the team. So it's like shit. But uh man, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Chris mullen Man, sir, appreciate you, my brother, thanks.
Speaker 3: For being here.
Speaker 1: Warriors legend, Saint John's Legend, New York's finest. Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: once said, when God made a basketball player, he carved
Speaker 1: out Chris mullen. Don Nelson said, Mulley is Larry Bird.
Speaker 1: He's just six', seven not six.' nine you had a lot,
Speaker 1: of game to say. The least when you hear some
Speaker 1: of the greatest to, ever do but obviously one of
Speaker 1: the greatest players in one of our favorite coaches and
Speaker 1: greatest coaches kind of give you that kind of respect.
Speaker 1: And homage what does that mean?
Speaker 3: To, you yeah.
Speaker 4: That's everything and then before you get into, that first
Speaker 4: let me let, Me Say matt Barnes And, steven jackson
Speaker 4: it was my pleasure to have you guys here. With
Speaker 4: us you guys made my career as a seriously that
Speaker 4: that was the most fun looking BACK that i had
Speaker 4: in the. Front office, your toughness, your camaraderie. Your leadership,
Speaker 4: SO yeah i just want to, get that get that,
Speaker 4: out there which you guys did Much, like mitch TIM.
Speaker 4: And i, you know it was kind of a, short
Speaker 4: stint but a, huge impact huge impact that we believe
Speaker 4: team they still love. You GUYS so i want to
Speaker 4: thank you guys for being part of my life now
Speaker 4: as far as.
Speaker 3: You know and you, guys know when, you play you know.
Speaker 4: You're, gonna win you're, gonna lose you gotta score your
Speaker 4: points and, all that but ultimately it's the respect of
Speaker 4: your teammates and maybe more, your peers the people you.
Speaker 4: Play against So what magic said to me to, this
Speaker 4: day one of the most uplifting things that ever said
Speaker 4: about me from a. Basketball STANDPOINT when i first made
Speaker 4: My First all, star Game pat riley said similar things
Speaker 4: that that still sticks in. My mind and then another
Speaker 4: thing that always remember and you know when you when
Speaker 4: you're playing and you're, locked in you don't really understand
Speaker 4: what you you know on your daily, daily habits how you're.
Speaker 4: Affecting people shee and Is marcellons ye once SAID that
Speaker 4: i had the ability to put my, chest OUT but i,
Speaker 4: didn't right just kind OF and i was. Taught that,
Speaker 4: you know we're all taught things by a. Youth coaches
Speaker 4: but one of the biggest influences of my basketball Career Was,
Speaker 4: luke carnaseca who just passed away in. Ninety night so Much,
Speaker 4: like matt Much like john WOULDN'T, at ucl he really
Speaker 4: gave me three three pillars. Of success one, was this
Speaker 4: no substitute for hard, day's, work now whatever, that means
Speaker 4: we have a job you're in. For us was, daily
Speaker 4: habits getting your, shots up whatever you need to do
Speaker 4: to take care of, your body all. Those things so
Speaker 4: no substitute for hard. Day's work remained humble. And grateful
Speaker 4: rights have a saying called, peacock today feather dust. To,
Speaker 4: Tomorrow right so treat everyone with grace. And humility win,
Speaker 4: with grace lose, with humility the same thing and then
Speaker 4: The very the last thing is what you guys are
Speaker 4: doing now.
Speaker 3: Is share share, your experiences good. And.
Speaker 4: Bad right you want to share because you mentioned you
Speaker 4: know some things we're going to. TALK about i went through.
Speaker 4: Those things maybe people, don't REMEMBER but. I did SO
Speaker 4: what i want to do is help people not get into, those,
Speaker 4: pitfalls right or if, they do be there.
Speaker 3: For. Them right so share.
Speaker 4: Your experiences and his saying there was don't have, short
Speaker 4: arms meaning every, reach, out hug.
Speaker 3: But also every once in a while pick up the.
Speaker 3: Check too.
Speaker 1: Makes sense all sixteen, year career FIVE Time Nba, all
Speaker 1: star you had a stretch of five years where you're
Speaker 1: at twenty, or, five five twenty five, AND five, i
Speaker 1: mean and that's it's in a.
Speaker 2: Tough era, hand checking, beating, up fighting you're only getting
Speaker 2: two games fighting.
Speaker 3: Back then, maybe not it, Might not.
Speaker 2: It might just be a tech or a. Regular found
Speaker 2: let's get too straight. To it we're here At The.
Speaker 2: Chase arena, you know we had some great. YEARS here
Speaker 2: i think some of my great years here being a
Speaker 2: gym when we Were In. Golden state talk about the
Speaker 2: process of getting me here and also the process Of.
Speaker 3: Getting, mad here, you know doing Beat with beady. Bride
Speaker 3: men well what, You, said jack it was.
Speaker 4: A process SO when i first, got here you GOT
Speaker 4: understand i had played here thirteen, years yep Went, to indiana.
Speaker 4: Came back so it WASN'T like i didn't know what
Speaker 4: was going on with this organization that become. A place
Speaker 4: let's put, this way it was not. A destination so
Speaker 4: you had to somehow get. That back when Me mentioned
Speaker 4: tim played people wanted to come here because of the
Speaker 4: style of playing things.
Speaker 3: Like that we had to get. That back at, that
Speaker 3: time we had.
Speaker 4: Young players SO what, I did i committed to developing the,
Speaker 4: young players trying to keep.
Speaker 3: A foundation that Was What, Jay Rich gilbert Mike And
Speaker 3: Troy Mike Don. Troy marcy so, that group they, were.
Speaker 4: Young and we had a, you know this organization had
Speaker 4: a history of losing, young players Just like gilbert, had,
Speaker 4: left right so he, Went on so try to get
Speaker 4: a foundation and develop and then see what. Could do
Speaker 4: what's out in the trademarket of. Free agency so that was.
Speaker 4: The plan that plan was flipped on. Its Head monte to,
Speaker 4: Was There.
Speaker 3: Monte yeah we had a nice, little court but they
Speaker 3: weren't ready to. Win.
Speaker 4: Yet Right baron davis Was In, new, orleans right. Just
Speaker 4: scruntle he was on the, trade block whatever what. Might
Speaker 4: be we Traded, for baron which IS and i remember
Speaker 4: it was FUNNY because I Called donnie walsh one of,
Speaker 4: my guys which he'll come, back, later, ye SORRY but I.
Speaker 4: CALLED die i would always would always. TALK trades, i said,
Speaker 4: you know what do you Think? About barons NOT that
Speaker 4: i didn't. WATCH him i Knew who, baron was but
Speaker 4: not as much because Of The. West coast, diane's like
Speaker 4: he's the best guard in. The league when, he plays
Speaker 4: He goes mulley.
Speaker 3: When he's on. The court he's the best guard in.
Speaker 3: THE league, i.
Speaker 4: Said whoa so we did a Deal for baron that
Speaker 4: and we had thirty, games left got him at the.
Speaker 4: Trade deadline we went eighteen and TWELVE, with bd WITH
Speaker 4: b d and pretty, much, alone right and those. Young
Speaker 4: guys that off season we made a, coaching Change got
Speaker 4: nelly because now Now, with barn, YOU know I had Mitch.
Speaker 4: And Rod Mitch, Mitch Richmond mikeah montgomery. Was before okay,
Speaker 4: again fundamentals trying to get those young. Guys situated We
Speaker 4: got barron. Right away we're sitting up there. Watching Go that's, tim,
Speaker 4: hardaway dude we need to get. This back nelly Had.
Speaker 4: Left dallas he Was in hawaii.
Speaker 3: Doing his thing because he was beefing With Market mark
Speaker 3: cuban at. The, time.
Speaker 4: Yeap BEEFING so i got a Hold Of nelly midsummer
Speaker 4: wound Up getting nelly come back. To coach now He's,
Speaker 4: got barron, you know never he started implementing some of.
Speaker 3: His stuff he could see.
Speaker 4: It developing come that, trade deadline you guys were all
Speaker 4: sitting Out.
Speaker 3: In indiana yeh. Yeh suspended, no, NO no I want
Speaker 3: i want you TO because i want to know.
Speaker 2: Your, person okay, this why this IS why, i ASK
Speaker 2: because i know you know a lot of conversation stuff
Speaker 2: that was happening behind the scenes that we.
Speaker 4: Obviously the malice In the palace had. Happened exactly all
Speaker 4: you guys were sitting out suspended.
Speaker 3: The shootout, no, no.
Speaker 2: No no the master passes happened the, year before right
Speaker 2: before the trade happened.
Speaker 4: To, shootout, okay okay, right right but you had been suspended.
Speaker 3: And now it, right right rush out.
Speaker 4: Of, jail yes let's say tumultuous Time in indiana exactly
Speaker 4: exactly spell, that WORD but i know it sounds like.
Speaker 3: Something bad.
Speaker 4: I've Known donnie WALSH since i was, a kid and
Speaker 4: we would, talk basketball talk trades all. The time even
Speaker 4: if we didn't. Do deals we'd like to. Talk Basketball
Speaker 4: new york guy From. The bronx he called me when
Speaker 4: he knew he was going to move you. Guys, right
Speaker 4: first matter, Of FACT first i Talked to ron our
Speaker 4: test about coming here before we As A sacramento You
Speaker 4: Know ron.
Speaker 3: Ronins and this is the type OF stuff i want.
Speaker 4: To. Hear Yeah so i've known him since he was.
Speaker 4: A KID so i was trying to get him To.
Speaker 4: THE warriors i was talking to him and. His agent
Speaker 4: they did the Deal. With sacramento he's in the limo and,
Speaker 4: calls me trying to squash that trade to Come To.
Speaker 4: Golden state didn't.
Speaker 3: Have it he Goes.
Speaker 4: To sack donnie calls me, and, Says listen i'm gonna
Speaker 4: move These guys Jack hal and not that he handed it,
Speaker 4: to me but, HE goes i really want this thing
Speaker 4: to work for. His hand i'm sure. You did but
Speaker 4: but but in, A way donnie still looked at wanted
Speaker 4: to make.
Speaker 3: It work.
Speaker 2: He, Did jack he, CALLED me i forced his hand
Speaker 2: in a. Bad, way, okay, okay yeah he wanted.
Speaker 4: To hold if you Look at, donnie's history he loves
Speaker 4: ballers and and he'll take care. Of people he's not
Speaker 4: going to. Judge mistakes he's going to try and. Fix
Speaker 4: mistakes he's gonna come up. With solutions that's The way
Speaker 4: donnie lives.
Speaker 3: HIS life i.
Speaker 4: Know that so he called me, and, Said look i'm
Speaker 4: going to move. THESE guys i think there'll be a.
Speaker 4: Good FIT but i also think you that'll be good with,
Speaker 4: you BECAUSE like i, SAID earlier i had my struggles like.
Speaker 4: Most People, FORGET mike i went to rehabbing my, third
Speaker 4: year way before my careers. Are calling so, when guys,
Speaker 4: you know, have missteps my first inclination is, that's me,
Speaker 4: not up. That's that but for the Grace, of god
Speaker 4: THERE go i, THERE WENT i i did all, that
Speaker 4: stuff and people there to.
Speaker 3: Help me so that was So.
Speaker 4: When donnie, Said that i'm, Like COOL like I, KNOW
Speaker 4: jack I know i KNOW these I know i'd play With.
Speaker 3: Al man this.
Speaker 4: Is awesome but and you guys know this the, first
Speaker 4: thing one of the first Things that nelly was, all, in,
Speaker 4: like yo go, get Them because nelly went, to WIN
Speaker 4: and i just Went. TO baron, i sometimes you know in,
Speaker 4: the league you. NEVER know i Went. TO baron i
Speaker 4: didn't know you guys were type from. High school so
Speaker 4: then he went from like yes, to, like yo you
Speaker 4: better get. This done that's, my boy. Let's go so
Speaker 4: when that deal, went down Much like, baron's arrival Much Like,
Speaker 4: jimmy butler that thing turned the, organization around and then
Speaker 4: the itself, was. Fun hilarious you guys are all, friends
Speaker 4: previously so the team chemistry just, happened overnight you know
Speaker 4: in matt, you know and you guys got to experience what,
Speaker 4: Me mentioned tim did some of the most, fun basketball the,
Speaker 4: shoot arounds.
Speaker 2: The practices but THAT'S what i don't mean to cut,
Speaker 2: you off but that's kind of what. Y'all built y'all
Speaker 2: experienced it on your, own time in, real time so
Speaker 2: it was it was kind of easy for you to
Speaker 2: build that.
Speaker 4: Blueprint, again well, you know even like With, the warriors
Speaker 4: Like so steve cow they Just Acquired. Jimmy butler in,
Speaker 4: his mind he says he's a Little Bit, Andre goodala
Speaker 4: he's got A Little sean livingston because he can settle
Speaker 4: the game down the. Half court you'd go back to, your.
Speaker 4: Experiences right, that's again that's what it's, all about is
Speaker 4: passing on, your experience and that's why the. Game Evolves
Speaker 4: like kobe became great because He. Emulated michael things we,
Speaker 4: see today we've seen versions.
Speaker 3: Of it maybe, it's.
Speaker 4: Better but it's better because those guys watched the. Previous
Speaker 4: generation so that trade and that. That season. That's funny
Speaker 4: we did that three point in Contact with. Baron recently
Speaker 4: so we were sitting around. Talking Laughing so, baron's, like
Speaker 4: yeah and you guys. Remember this we're on. The road
Speaker 4: you Guys Went Detroit east Coascher and baron was rehabbing
Speaker 4: his knee DOWN.
Speaker 2: IN la i think we had a we had a
Speaker 2: meeting after that game in the. LOCKER room i don't
Speaker 2: mean to. Catch off we had a meeting after We
Speaker 2: beat detroit and we all sat in there after We
Speaker 2: beat hear and he, was, like bro we can.
Speaker 4: Do something remember That man nelly was getting a, little
Speaker 4: FRUSTRATED and I know nelly he can he can.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 4: Quick yeah now He's In new york At the cigar
Speaker 4: Bar On, seventh avenue probably thinking about Going To, mount
Speaker 4: board thinking about Going. To maui baron's IN. L a
Speaker 4: so Me AND mitch I Sent. ROD higgins, I, said
Speaker 4: yo go Sit. With nelly make sure, he doesn't, you
Speaker 4: know go off the. Deep end Me and mitch were
Speaker 4: GOING to la to Talk. To baron's he. Was up
Speaker 4: he Was with dark rehabbing. His knee so we Went
Speaker 4: To stephen.
Speaker 3: JACKSON'S.
Speaker 4: GYM yep i saw Rebounding. For baron little. BY little
Speaker 4: i started egging him on a. Little bit then we're
Speaker 4: playing little one, on one messing around two on to.
Speaker 4: Next thing we're, going Hard, like baron you're good, to,
Speaker 4: go man you Gotta, go. Detroit bro and then. He
Speaker 4: went we won that game and from that time YOU
Speaker 4: got i think we had to win like every game
Speaker 4: to finish.
Speaker 3: The season eighteen out of twenty one or something.
Speaker 4: Like that so that that was a magical run AND like,
Speaker 4: i said, short lived much LIKE. Run cmc but you,
Speaker 4: guys know when you come, back, here man that's still
Speaker 4: people loved. THAT team i don't know about. You guys you,
Speaker 4: guys played, you know as MUCH as i Did That.
Speaker 4: Oracle arena i've never heard anything. As loud during.
Speaker 3: That playoffs steve said that we go that Far signing
Speaker 3: matt off the. Football field how did all? That Happen, Matt, barnes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: well nellie we All. Knew matt.
Speaker 4: HE was i don't, even wait where were You in
Speaker 4: sacramento at? That time see he made the call Right.
Speaker 1: So baron you guys were having an open gym at,
Speaker 1: the Facility and baron hit me like at nine o'clock
Speaker 1: and open gym was. AT eleven i had like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half drive to, get there and and
Speaker 1: right before, training camp right before training camp HAPPENED and
Speaker 1: i came IN and i played really well in this.
Speaker 1: Open Gym but nelly was watching the whole time from.
Speaker 1: His office remember he had the corner off they could see.
Speaker 1: The court and he came down and just asked me where?
Speaker 3: You going where you going?
Speaker 4: To? CAMP son i was like. Ship nowhere but once
Speaker 4: again THAT'S and I. Knew nelly, ye yeah so like,
Speaker 4: to us he was An Athletic. Ride, higgins, okay yes,
Speaker 4: can play can can slide up? To four yeah right
Speaker 4: over athletic, two three but can play four shoot the three.
Speaker 3: That fit nelly, always said HOW can i make?
Speaker 4: It work i'm gonna put pressure on the, other seane
Speaker 4: don't tell me what. My disadvantage i'm gonna put the
Speaker 4: disadvantage mismatch mismatches to the.
Speaker 3: Other team, he was he, was.
Speaker 2: Really you was the first one like got everybody start doing.
Speaker 3: TATTOOS too i think, maybe yeah we got. Tatted up we.
Speaker 1: HAD fun, i mean LIKE like, i said to hear
Speaker 1: the the behind the scenes side and then kind of know.
Speaker 3: Our side how this all. CAME together i mean we.
Speaker 1: Were struggling baron, was HURT and, I remember i want,
Speaker 1: to say we Were in la when the, trade happened
Speaker 1: and we only played with like seven or. Eight guys
Speaker 1: the day the. Trade happened we got beat and then
Speaker 1: We got Jackets and allen and it still took a
Speaker 1: little bit to.
Speaker 3: Get going baron.
Speaker 1: Still hurt but obviously it came together game Wise. In
Speaker 1: detroit but it started coming together before That because jacks
Speaker 1: the personality was just loving an electric and we went
Speaker 1: from once he got a crib like we would go
Speaker 1: from Practice to jack's house and starts smoking and watching.
Speaker 3: Game, film yeah we were, all, everyone.
Speaker 1: Everyone everyone everyone would be high as fuck. Watching games
Speaker 1: when we were watching game, film though like we were
Speaker 1: Really watching Nelly.
Speaker 3: To no nelly was Upstairsing on nellie at the. Top
Speaker 3: floor you drop a little. Package off we.
Speaker 1: Got a story about, that too actually after We. Beat
Speaker 1: DALLAS but i mean just the way, that kemmy like
Speaker 1: we would, eat together we would hang Out, of jackson watch,
Speaker 1: game film and we would go. Out together so really
Speaker 1: kind of that bond started growing off, the court and
Speaker 1: then it Finally when baron, came back it started showing on.
Speaker 1: The court and Obviously that detroit game was kind of
Speaker 1: a pivotal moment, for us and this Was the detroit
Speaker 1: team that won the Champ.
Speaker 3: With, Ben, Wallace rip chauncey all.
Speaker 1: Them do they would nice and we went in there
Speaker 1: and smacked them AND like, i remember we talked in the.
Speaker 1: Locker room but on the plane fly everyone kind of
Speaker 1: had a couple, of, drinks, like yo we can really
Speaker 1: do something if we're serious, about it and, we COMMITTED
Speaker 1: and i want to say we won like eighteen out
Speaker 1: of twenty three games to end up making, the playoffs
Speaker 1: so it was super. Short lived but again for you
Speaker 1: guys to kind of take a chance on just a
Speaker 1: bunch of people that were kind of lost in, the
Speaker 1: wind you KNOW what i mean to Trade dun Levy
Speaker 1: and troy who were, you know high draft picks for,
Speaker 1: you guys but, you know to be able to bring
Speaker 1: them in and bring all this because of again the
Speaker 1: experience you guys have WOUL run tmc kind of understanding what,
Speaker 1: that meant to be able to really bond with these
Speaker 1: guys and know what that means on.
Speaker 3: The, COURT yeah i, Think.
Speaker 4: Too matt the experience of, you know having the connection,
Speaker 4: With Myself rod Higgins and Mittrich with nelly seeing the
Speaker 4: game the same way and looking at players that, You, know,
Speaker 4: nellie look he has a very unique way.
Speaker 3: Of playing we all.
Speaker 4: Know that so maybe what some of the teams would
Speaker 4: see as, a negative it we saw.
Speaker 3: As positives, You know.
Speaker 4: So that that whole process was fun and it's funny
Speaker 4: listening to what, You're. Saying matt, YOU know i Know
Speaker 4: mentioned TIM and i are coming. On tomorrow very similar
Speaker 4: feelings that we had going through. That process and the,
Speaker 4: thing too is this and YOU guys i know you
Speaker 4: guys were type prior To but nelly only had a
Speaker 4: very unique way of making. Practice fun shoot arounds were,
Speaker 4: not stressful but you learned an easy, going way which
Speaker 4: you know, tells me like a lot of things from
Speaker 4: the old school still does.
Speaker 3: Do work so some.
Speaker 4: Bonding together you guys, were tight but all of a
Speaker 4: sudden the style of play brought.
Speaker 3: You, guys together kind of the, you.
Speaker 4: Know, small lineup, we're undemanded but we're going to us against,
Speaker 4: the world, you know and then of course you know
Speaker 4: we'll probably get Put that.
Speaker 3: Dallas series how.
Speaker 4: We were, heavy, underdogs pared but we felt like we we,
Speaker 4: got them.
Speaker 3: Bust the ass all year.
Speaker 4: Got them And Then dirk DAVSKY was. Mvp Unstoppable Put
Speaker 4: steven jackson. On him Me and matt get. Up, team
Speaker 4: yeah you both of, you guys get up, into him
Speaker 4: get up. Into him, So again, nelly's knowledge his understanding
Speaker 4: of your guy's toughness and just a simp that that's
Speaker 4: more than right drawing up.
Speaker 3: A play that's the. Coaching adjustment who's gotten the.
Speaker 4: Best player, you know you're not gonna put a big
Speaker 4: on when he's gonna pick him up and be. Wide
Speaker 4: open every time, He catches jack's gonna get up into.
Speaker 3: His feet and when, he spins were there when. He
Speaker 3: spins nelly was.
Speaker 2: So smart he knew the worst Defender on, phoenix team
Speaker 2: and he made our smallest player post him up because he.
Speaker 3: Couldn't guard so we Was posting Monte On.
Speaker 2: Steve nash that's that's how he took advantage of a
Speaker 2: mismatches all or he would.
Speaker 4: Play small on another. Team's, big exactly they post. Him
Speaker 4: up that's what. We, wanted exactly they go post. The.
Speaker 4: Up good it's one less shot for the. Best player
Speaker 4: he used to make a Guard and al wanted. To,
Speaker 4: quit listen you know what you remember that he Would
Speaker 4: have al and again this is something he.
Speaker 3: Was weighing al he had on the.
Speaker 4: Scaleful practice but he would, tell him as he's running,
Speaker 4: up court getting, his way not in, the post in the,
Speaker 4: back court running in the, back court start getting in,
Speaker 4: his way and he could never get to. The paint
Speaker 4: by the time he, got there the shot clock was down.
Speaker 1: At eight by, the Way that dallas series in the
Speaker 1: first Round was. Nelly's championship after, we went he didn't
Speaker 1: give a Funk. About utah by, the way the whole
Speaker 1: the energy.
Speaker 3: Reports and, all, that bro. Energy chances we just wanted To.
Speaker 3: Beat dallas, you're right that's all new he wanted to
Speaker 3: do Was. Beat dallas it, was, bad bro it. Was
Speaker 3: done he was he, checked.
Speaker 4: Out dude he called me down here like after he
Speaker 4: was it, was like that was a, close, SERIES dude
Speaker 4: i know it was for we.
Speaker 2: Had them yeah we could had we would have won
Speaker 2: the first. Two games we had the first two games
Speaker 2: on the road and turn over. The rows but after
Speaker 2: one of, Those, games nelly you wanted to talk. ABOUT
Speaker 2: something i go down to. His room We're In Salt.
Speaker 2: Lake city he's sitting there like his boxes and. No shirt, i'm,
Speaker 2: like damn what the, hell Dude and mai already.
Speaker 3: Hold on let me tell you it. Is though this
Speaker 3: is another thing that happen when he was in.
Speaker 2: The Playoffs man bettie ended up getting our last drug
Speaker 2: test and as we, Come out nelly's standing in the
Speaker 2: tunnel with.
Speaker 3: His hand, oh yeah. He's done he could job y'
Speaker 3: out like we.
Speaker 2: Did something we're taking our. Last test he clapped like
Speaker 2: he happy, For, us like, oh ya he?
Speaker 3: Checked out did he?
Speaker 1: Checked out did you know the part how after We
Speaker 1: beat dallas, that night we had to go Back to
Speaker 1: jack's House and nelly had a. Party upstairs but we
Speaker 1: were Back at jackson, about this so we went Up to.
Speaker 1: Nelly's place our coach used to live like three or
Speaker 1: four Floors. Above jack so we Went to jack's place,
Speaker 1: and smoke drink a, little bit and then we were
Speaker 1: gonna Stop by nelly's before we.
Speaker 3: Went out we go Up to nelliot's and it's first
Speaker 3: thing he said, to, us, though.
Speaker 1: Hey fellas what is in the back? Rolling Doobies So
Speaker 1: woody harrelson was in. The back he had a bunch
Speaker 1: of people at. His Crib woody harrelson's in the back.
Speaker 1: Rolling joints and keep, in mind this is our fucking.
Speaker 1: Head coach after the first. Round victory, he's like what
Speaker 1: he's in the back Rolling do he's go smoke? With
Speaker 1: them and we looked at each, other like what the
Speaker 1: fuck did our coach? Just say so we listened to
Speaker 1: our coach and went in the back and smoked weed
Speaker 1: on his Balcony with wilson was, There, Too Yeah, Jessica Alba.
Speaker 1: Kate hudson it was kind of a.
Speaker 3: Little thing chemistry. Man minding thank you for binging, me,
Speaker 3: Here man thank.
Speaker 1: You, Guys man let's get back Upbringing flat bush used
Speaker 1: to travel around To the harlem And the bronx to
Speaker 1: try to face the best in.
Speaker 3: The city let's keep.
Speaker 1: It real basketball wasn't really for people, your color but
Speaker 1: were like really really at, that point you KNOW what,
Speaker 1: i mean you really had to go out there and
Speaker 1: and make a name for yourself and handle your Business
Speaker 1: In new york and which was the mecca. Of basketball
Speaker 1: what were those early journeys and ups and downs like
Speaker 1: in you in your early basketball if.
Speaker 2: You closed your eyes though you never.
Speaker 3: That's probably why he made.
Speaker 4: It, work, yeah now you guys know as good as well,
Speaker 4: as anybody, the journeys everything right upbringing the people that,
Speaker 4: influenced us.
Speaker 3: Our FAMILIES so i grew up in Flappersh.
Speaker 4: In brooklyn, blue collar middle. CLASS neighborhood i had a.
Speaker 4: Great family mom and dad. WERE home i was the
Speaker 4: middle of. Five children my older brother was a, great.
Speaker 3: Athlete so that was my first.
Speaker 4: Role model he was a great, baseball player great, basketball
Speaker 4: PLAYER so i followed him everything. He did cyo basketball
Speaker 4: just up. The street we had a gym right up.
Speaker 3: The block for.
Speaker 4: MY house i could walk there in. Two MINUTES but
Speaker 4: i fell in love and playing in my backyard it was.
Speaker 4: A sport I felt i could go out there by
Speaker 4: myself and. Get better that's what kind of hooked me.
Speaker 4: To hoops my older brother Went To Power, memorial academy
Speaker 4: which was an hour and a half FROM where. I
Speaker 4: lived it was a bus in. TWO trains i Was
Speaker 4: At palm Memorial where. Kareem Went leney elmore was, a
Speaker 4: dynamic incredible, basketball school but it was far away from.
Speaker 4: My neighbor but it Was a catholic school and it.
Speaker 4: Was cheap we Had several catholic schools by.
Speaker 3: My house they. Were expensive there was a school. By
Speaker 3: me it was one.
Speaker 4: Thousand dollars power was, five hundred and if you had
Speaker 4: a brother in, the school you got one hundred.
Speaker 3: Dollars OFF so i had. No choice my father sent
Speaker 3: me there because.
Speaker 4: Financially so traveling Up to power Which was midtowm it
Speaker 4: had sixty First. In amsterdam THAT'S where i met all
Speaker 4: these guys. From Uptown mario elie was one of. My
Speaker 4: Classmates In riverside church was this legendary. Au program so
Speaker 4: the guys that Played at riverside With at power brought
Speaker 4: me Up To riverside church and THAT'S how i started.
Speaker 3: Going uptown.
Speaker 4: Yeah uh AND once i, started going, you know playing
Speaker 4: in the, you know summertime in, the parks not only
Speaker 4: was it eye opening as far, as talent, it was
Speaker 4: it was motivational because all of, a sudden, you know
Speaker 4: in my NEIGH but i was the. Best player but
Speaker 4: it wasn't great. Players there it were. Good there it
Speaker 4: was a solid. Basketball community but you go up Up
Speaker 4: to halem In, the bronx all of, a sudden, you
Speaker 4: know your eyes get open. Pretty quick different style, of
Speaker 4: play which was key. FOR me i was very fund.
Speaker 4: OF man i was very well coached as, a kid,
Speaker 4: skilled development but all of A sudden i kind of
Speaker 4: learned it would be more like LIKE the, nba game
Speaker 4: getting up, and down shooting the first, shot available playing
Speaker 4: off the drib all THOSE things i learned. Through that
Speaker 4: and then probably most importantly was every single day you
Speaker 4: had to prove yourself LIKE who i went up to
Speaker 4: the park and, YOU man i was the only white
Speaker 4: guy in, The park so, right, away like.
Speaker 3: What's this guy? Doing here, come? On man so there
Speaker 3: was somewhat longer hair too a.
Speaker 4: Little, bit yeah but, you, know pressure but also you
Speaker 4: want to. Prove yourself and it was, every day so
Speaker 4: you performance the DAY before i had nothing to do
Speaker 4: with the. Next day you always had to go up
Speaker 4: there and show out or they booed you until you
Speaker 4: get the hell out. Of here so in, a way
Speaker 4: that pressure slash motivation really developed.
Speaker 3: My focus.
Speaker 4: You know So whether i'm playing in an empty gym
Speaker 4: or in a packed masive, square garden the approach is
Speaker 4: the same because you're. Proving something if you're playing one,
Speaker 4: on one you're proven to that guy, Right there i'm
Speaker 4: in better condition, Than.
Speaker 3: You i'm a, Better shooter.
Speaker 4: I'm TOUGHER so i learned that as a young kid
Speaker 4: and then stayed home Obviously At saint john playing on
Speaker 4: some great, teams there but my upbringing first first at
Speaker 4: home and then grow Up In New. YORK city i
Speaker 4: think really as a basketball player. Meant EVERYTHING but i
Speaker 4: got to say it, really shaped in, my opinion a
Speaker 4: wider view of the, world BECAUSE like i, said earlier.
Speaker 3: AT home i had my mom and dad.
Speaker 4: Were home my mom was home every night, for dinner
Speaker 4: and all of, a sudden AT power i would go
Speaker 4: Over To spanish hall with a teammate who lived in
Speaker 4: the project and an, empty house, no food all of,
Speaker 4: a sudden. Like damn but in a good, way though it.
Speaker 4: Gave me it made. Me grateful it made me want
Speaker 4: to help that kid bring home to. My house but
Speaker 4: sometimes when you're only in your, own community that's you
Speaker 4: think everyone has what.
Speaker 3: You have so it opened up opened up my eyes
Speaker 3: to a LOT and i tell people.
Speaker 4: This too Matt and jack simple commute from Where from
Speaker 4: Brooklyn To paler memorial that in itself was in education every.
Speaker 4: Single DAY so i would get on the number three
Speaker 4: Train Of, flappish avenue take it up to Forty. Second
Speaker 4: street you guys have. Noticed IT but i would switch
Speaker 4: on a one train to Sixty. First street but during
Speaker 4: that route every day is at fourteen year. Old kids
Speaker 4: i'd get on the Train With wall street people all
Speaker 4: in suits.
Speaker 3: And briefcases at Forty.
Speaker 4: Second Street At, wall street they would get off the,
Speaker 4: Next stop hood would, come on and then all of,
Speaker 4: A sudden i would change. My pot i'd be like
Speaker 4: this with the what and then all of, A, sudden i,
Speaker 4: you know just. Make adjustments but doing, that alone, looking
Speaker 4: back it gave me. Incredible awareness not only you know
Speaker 4: how to take care of yourself in, street smart but
Speaker 4: also again getting back to like how then people are
Speaker 4: living differently so close. To you that's that's an, INVALUABLE education.
Speaker 4: I thought i think when, it happens you don't think,
Speaker 4: about it but later on you kind of have a better.
Speaker 3: Appreciation what's going on.
Speaker 4: Around you my mom and dad both were very progressive in,
Speaker 4: Letting US like, i said, YOU know i was fourteen
Speaker 4: going Up to harlem, or whatever but they wanted that for.
Speaker 4: Their kids they wanted us to get out there and see.
Speaker 4: The WORLD so i think it's a good lesson for
Speaker 4: us to, pass On right and AND the nba, is great
Speaker 4: and sports in general do that. Breakdown BARRIERS but i
Speaker 4: FELT like i Had that being grown grown Up In
Speaker 4: new york exposed me to a, lot basketball, of course
Speaker 4: but a lot of.
Speaker 3: LIFE lessons, i mean getting them that train and riding
Speaker 3: just taking. THEIR ride i can see that so many.
Speaker 1: Different persons it's, different THOUGH because I think i got
Speaker 1: sixteen year. OLD kids i wouldn't trust that, these days
Speaker 1: you KNOW what. I mean it's just that we came
Speaker 1: up in a. Different time like, you said you're coming
Speaker 1: out and proving yourself at the park like they don't.
Speaker 3: Do, THAT no I mean i read the paper. Every
Speaker 3: day the TRAINS are, i mean here's telling you didn't
Speaker 3: have no choice though that was the only way you could.
Speaker 3: Get there you Know what. I'm saying we mess to
Speaker 3: have five kids to. Have, choices now the.
Speaker 4: Same thing our kids didn't grow up like, we did
Speaker 4: right exactly because we didn't want. Them to but there
Speaker 4: are some things that they miss. Right exactly that's very.
Speaker 2: Beneficent decoration the college Career Of saint john's Three Time
Speaker 2: Big east player Of the year from nineteen eighty three
Speaker 2: to eight nineteen, eighty five That's Crazy wooden award in nineteen,
Speaker 2: EIGHTY five i was being a College at icon and
Speaker 2: the Years Of saint.
Speaker 3: John's amazing timing is, Everything right but this is When
Speaker 3: The big east Is, THE yeah, I was I'm A.
Speaker 4: BIG east i WENT on tnt last night for a
Speaker 4: Second With charles Kenny and Shaq and Ernie. And Charles
Speaker 4: charles Michael patch roll same year as a High School
Speaker 4: so charles, was, like, yo DUDE like i remember watching YOU.
Speaker 4: On espn Now his Charles At, auburn megastar but didn't have.
Speaker 4: That platform so a few people, that KNOW the espn
Speaker 4: did a deal With The big east in, seventy nine
Speaker 4: so our games were naturally televised almost. Every game THEY
Speaker 4: were espn first conference to, Do that so the exposure,
Speaker 4: was incredible. Incredible platform we played our home Games At
Speaker 4: Madison square garden In The. Big east Georgetown had patrick
Speaker 4: and they had, You Know, Reggie Williams, david wingate they.
Speaker 3: Had five or six pros.
Speaker 4: Every year Syracuse Had, Pearl Washington, Derrek Coleman Ron. Ronnie
Speaker 4: cykelely Villanova Had. Ed pinckney so up, and down every
Speaker 4: every team had pros and every night was was.
Speaker 3: A battle.
Speaker 4: It was it, was increasing but again as you're going,
Speaker 4: through it you just focused. On playing but, that exposure
Speaker 4: uh just exploded. College basketball it really did, to where,
Speaker 4: you know the kids In The west coast knew who.
Speaker 3: WE were i remember coming.
Speaker 4: Out, here UH when i first came Into, The Warriors
Speaker 4: gary payton wanted to Go To Saint John's gary, Payton,
Speaker 4: senior yeah that's where he wanted. To Go mitch Richmond, From,
Speaker 4: watchington syria he wanted to Go. To syracuse so it
Speaker 4: was an. Amazing time to be a college player playing
Speaker 4: against and it was different now WITH the. Ni transporportal
Speaker 4: most of us stayed. Four years most guys stayed. Four
Speaker 4: years he's developed a real rivalry with with whether It, Be, Georgetown.
Speaker 4: Syracuse villanova so, you know just just a great time
Speaker 4: to be in. College, basketball, again timing we don't. Control
Speaker 4: that but fortunately at. Home too, oh, yeah, yeah yeah
Speaker 4: that was that was good, and bad. Mostly good, you
Speaker 4: know sometimes having that super green.
Speaker 3: Light, yeah yeah. Lime. Green yeah sometimes, YOU know i
Speaker 3: feel like. You're indestructible.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah Eighty four olympics goal you want to go
Speaker 2: with Magic And patrick ewing back when kids with college
Speaker 2: kids was able, to play talk about that experience and
Speaker 2: the difference between that and the.
Speaker 4: Dreams amazing so historically, speaking now the last amateur team
Speaker 4: to win the gold medal, eighty eight. We lost the
Speaker 4: ninety two Of The dream team. Came in that team.
Speaker 4: Was loaded that was a great great that was, Said, Everybody,
Speaker 4: Michael Patrick.
Speaker 3: Waymon tisdale it was.
Speaker 4: A problem, incredible player incredible god rest.
Speaker 3: The soul incredible.
Speaker 4: Position, Too Yes, sam perkins he played the bass guitar yeah, backwards, Yeah,
Speaker 4: left yeah that. Was, dope, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah he was. Legit,
Speaker 4: Dude Yeah, Vernon Fleming, Leon Wood, Steve Alford, Jeff Turner,
Speaker 4: Joe Klein, Joe Klein.
Speaker 3: Alvin robertson he, was nice he can. Get buckets he
Speaker 3: was nice. And, tough yeah he. WAS nice i think.
Speaker 3: That's everybody let missed, that.
Speaker 4: One obviously That was michael's ultra coming. OUT party i
Speaker 4: Had Mentioned, Michael. Patrick charlie we were all in the
Speaker 4: same high. SCHOOL class i Had saw michael the first
Speaker 4: time The McDonald's all, american game and people tell me,
Speaker 4: this now like thirty, YEARS later i don't really, remember
Speaker 4: it but, you know sometimes you. Make comments, they, said
Speaker 4: man you came back from the McDonald's game and said
Speaker 4: you saw the greatest player. Ever saw, I'M like i
Speaker 4: don't really, remember that but as, a, teenager yeah and,
Speaker 4: YOU know i played against a lot of great Players In, new.
Speaker 4: York right and then, he said you said the same
Speaker 4: thing after you came back From the, PanAm tryouts and
Speaker 4: you said the same thing During the.
Speaker 3: Olympic trials so he was. Just different he, was, different.
Speaker 4: Athletically, fundamentally sound the best athlete on.
Speaker 3: The floor.
Speaker 4: Eighty four we played eight exhibition GAMES against. Nba teams
Speaker 4: if you look at, those rosters It, Was Magic, isaiah
Speaker 4: McHale all the.
Speaker 3: Top, guys yeah and.
Speaker 4: Almost, Every night mike who was the best player by
Speaker 4: far as a junior in college and everybody.
Speaker 3: Knew it and THEN, in la which. Was sick it
Speaker 3: was fun man Having the olympics IN. L.
Speaker 2: A yeah do you remember that infamous Practice that magic always. Talks, about.
Speaker 4: Yeah but i'll give you one in from his PRACTICE in.
Speaker 4: La Though So bobby knight was, our Coach, Legendary Bobby.
Speaker 3: Bobby knight he recruited me and cursed me out. Big.
Speaker 2: Time yeah he called my house, and said do you
Speaker 2: want to Come. To indiana i'm. Like well he cut, me, off,
Speaker 2: like well you can't. Make decisions they don't worry. About
Speaker 2: it hung up in my. Mom's face That Was. Bobby knight,
Speaker 2: Shout Up.
Speaker 4: Boby night bobby was let's do this way rough around,
Speaker 4: the edges but fundamentally A GOOD yeah. I.
Speaker 3: Did yeah.
Speaker 4: We were PLAYING in la when most games, by thirty
Speaker 4: we were having practice after.
Speaker 3: The game.
Speaker 4: Oh wow one of, Those Practices leon wood wore a.
Speaker 4: Hat backwards bobby kicked him out of practice after we
Speaker 4: had just won, by thirty, so yeah. He was but
Speaker 4: let me just say This About.
Speaker 3: Bobby night he.
Speaker 4: When he would, travel internationally my dad WAS A us
Speaker 4: CUSTOMS inspector Jfk In. New york anytime he came through,
Speaker 4: the airport he made it way Over to sad and.
Speaker 4: My dad THAT'S why i respect that way away from. The,
Speaker 4: blight yeah just to say a quick he was a.
Speaker 1: Real, one yeah Ninety Two dream team arguably the greatest team.
Speaker 1: Ever assembled you shot the shit out of it with
Speaker 1: the with that team fourteen for twenty six from the
Speaker 1: three point line during.
Speaker 3: The run.
Speaker 1: What was, That, like again you grew up that this is,
Speaker 1: your generation, your guys and that the first time all
Speaker 1: pros are going to face the rest of. The world
Speaker 1: obviously we saw what you guys did on, the court
Speaker 1: but what was that experience like in practice in, the
Speaker 1: bus just kind of hanging around with.
Speaker 4: Those, Guys, yeah matt when we, first started you Talked about,
Speaker 4: nelly's comments. Magic comments that was the pinnacle of, my
Speaker 4: career the pinnacle of, my success the reward for all the,
Speaker 4: hard work, acceptance slash, you know being, being, told yeah
Speaker 4: you're one of. The best so at that point in
Speaker 4: time again, timing, wise right you know who knew ninety
Speaker 4: one that that was going. TO happen i was playing
Speaker 4: my best basketball at the. Right time so fortunately it was,
Speaker 4: you know at the peak of. MY career i had
Speaker 4: played In the, olympics already.
Speaker 3: So to me.
Speaker 4: To be part of that group with some of, My
Speaker 4: idols magic and burdw WITH guys i looked up to
Speaker 4: they were. THEY were i watched them in seventy nine
Speaker 4: in college and watched their. Entire careers tried to emulate.
Speaker 4: Their games Magic, and larry, you know bought, passing back including,
Speaker 4: their teammates so the unselfish. Team PLAY so i tried
Speaker 4: to emulate my game to, those guys and THEN here
Speaker 4: i am playing, with them. You know so the ultimate
Speaker 4: in getting respected by, your peers by the people in the,
Speaker 4: league office and then the impact we're, feeling today that's
Speaker 4: what we're. Feeling today and it was. Really cool while
Speaker 4: it was. Going on davis sturned telling us forecasting what
Speaker 4: it was going. To do he would, tell us you
Speaker 4: guys have no idea what impact is going to have on,
Speaker 4: Our game and we're sitting there like that's nice, to
Speaker 4: say thank you but what does that mean thirty. Years,
Speaker 4: later yep we have the. Global game third of our
Speaker 4: third of our league is foreign, born players so that's.
Speaker 4: The impact, so yeah so, looking back, you know and from,
Speaker 4: that experience, you know getting to Play.
Speaker 3: With Patrick and michael again In that olympic platform.
Speaker 4: Was cool and then, playing against like, you said the
Speaker 4: guys who, were rivals but then to spend time away
Speaker 4: from the court get to know their families and become
Speaker 4: real friends as opposed to. Just rivals and, you know
Speaker 4: you guys grew up on the beginning of the so
Speaker 4: we didn't have, social media so we didn't hang out in.
Speaker 4: The offseason we would maybe go to a, golf tournament
Speaker 4: maybe go to a, charity game but we didn't hang.
Speaker 4: Like that so that was cool to be around each
Speaker 4: other away from the. Competitive platform so that was. Really
Speaker 4: nice it, was good and it opened up an OPPORTUNITY
Speaker 4: because i got Close, with larry NOT that i wasn't close.
Speaker 4: WITH him i wound up Going to indiana Playing, for larry,
Speaker 4: you know, years later but, to me it was the
Speaker 4: ultimate recognition for. My career so, to ME that i
Speaker 4: didn't Win a, WORLD championship i went to the. Finals
Speaker 4: once but, for me the thing that really sticks out
Speaker 4: to me the most on My two olympic experiences that are.
Speaker 4: So unique both of them are. So different but again.
Speaker 4: THE timing i was fortunate enough to be playing at
Speaker 4: a high level both in eighty four and. Ninety two
Speaker 4: some players Missed those olympic years.
Speaker 1: As amateurs when you're looking back on, it now was
Speaker 1: that Almost because berg was on his, way out magic
Speaker 1: was on it because that was that kind of the
Speaker 1: passing of.
Speaker 3: The torch oh kind of, oh boy what?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 4: That like?
Speaker 3: It was? It was it was a grabbing of. The torch.
Speaker 4: Larry, Passed It. LARRY larry a lot of those practice
Speaker 4: sessions you, Talked. About jack that one Was. In, monaco
Speaker 4: yeah so we we were we Went To san diego for.
Speaker 4: Training camp we had to qualify For the olympics because
Speaker 4: we lost in. Eighty eight we had to Go to
Speaker 4: portland for, a tournament and then we took a break
Speaker 4: and uh Went To. Monte carlo so we Played the
Speaker 4: french NATIONAL team i think, it was and didn't really.
Speaker 4: Play Well So chuck dale, IS like i need one
Speaker 4: more practice before we Go, to barcelona and that's when
Speaker 4: that that practice, was closed, closed door no one in.
Speaker 4: The Gym chuck daly split up. The teams michael had,
Speaker 4: A squad magic had, a squad and they were just.
Speaker 3: Talking TRASH and.
Speaker 4: I remember, You know michael was just Going at Magic
Speaker 4: and magic was not Giving, up magics, you know one
Speaker 4: of the greatest players of all time and still was
Speaker 4: not going to just hand. It over larry had a,
Speaker 4: bad BACK and, i remember, you know scrimmagine and everyone's
Speaker 4: talking ship and you Look over larry.
Speaker 3: Just laughing leave that. Guy. Alone man we had our
Speaker 3: time in.
Speaker 4: The sun but it was literally it was cool to
Speaker 4: see Not only michael, take It but magic fight.
Speaker 3: For it yeah it a and. Go nothing yeah you,
Speaker 3: got it. You know so it was.
Speaker 4: Really cool there was another thing about. That experience all
Speaker 4: those guys stocked, Him Alone. Patrick david, you know you
Speaker 4: could see why they're so, so successful not only in
Speaker 4: basketball but after the. Post, career yeah just because of,
Speaker 4: their professionalism, their dedication discipline and.
Speaker 3: Work ethic so that was really cool.
Speaker 4: To see, so yeah just that that, to me, for
Speaker 4: me throughout my, basketball career the most memorable Experience.
Speaker 3: THE pacer i mean obviously thirteen. Years, here yeah you.
Speaker 1: Move On how first, of all how tough was that
Speaker 1: to move On From golden state because that WAS your nba.
Speaker 4: Home and then you Go. To, indiana yeah it was,
Speaker 4: you know sometimes it's just time. To go boys were,
Speaker 4: in transition going very. VERY young i was, thirty four
Speaker 4: probably turning. Thirty five it, was tough, YOU know i thought,
Speaker 4: about staying but then this Opportunity called larry got the head.
Speaker 4: Coaching job we had that relationship From The. Dream Team
Speaker 4: donny walsh. Was, there uh they had a they had
Speaker 4: a really good team for, many years trying to, you
Speaker 4: know get, Over, there uh get over. The Hump mark jackson,
Speaker 4: was there was you KNOW my i Played with mark in,
Speaker 4: high school in college and, then yeah so my three
Speaker 4: years With the pacers with three of the best years,
Speaker 4: they had you know in, MY career i mean the
Speaker 4: three best two conference FINALS and. Nba finals, you know
Speaker 4: so played with some incredible you. Know Pros, reggie miller,
Speaker 4: of course dynamic incredible did You play reggie talk about
Speaker 4: daily habits and routine does.
Speaker 3: Not vary reggie is a creature of habit and that's why,
Speaker 3: he's such, you know such a.
Speaker 1: Legendary great all bullshit aside in a practice shootout one
Speaker 1: on one with You.
Speaker 4: And reggie what did that? Look like did it happened all?
Speaker 4: The time so what we used to do almost after
Speaker 4: every practice we would. Shoot threes but wasn't just Me.
Speaker 4: And reggie we used to four of us would, Shoot,
Speaker 4: Me reggie mark would join in because, You know mark
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a shooter competitive.
Speaker 3: And, oh yeah it was automatical and S And.
Speaker 4: Sam perkins sam had so we would we would, go
Speaker 4: win play show and then the other guy would have.
Speaker 3: To, leave yeah.
Speaker 4: And shoot so we go back. And forth we go back,
Speaker 4: and forth but not. Many MISSES but i Always respected
Speaker 4: reggie's his work efter. His, routine man he believed not
Speaker 4: very he did the same thing.
Speaker 3: Every day. So dedicated. Great teammate AND really I, mean
Speaker 3: jack you know he carried that franchise for almost.
Speaker 4: Twenty years that's the only reason they traded for me
Speaker 4: because he. Approved it so got nothing but respect the Admiration.
Speaker 4: For reggie But but indiana and you, Played, there. JACK
Speaker 4: unique nba city got a. College atmosphere people drive around
Speaker 4: the cars with the flags, like yeah like it's.
Speaker 3: It's a.
Speaker 4: UNIQUE experience i have had three great, Years There Antonio
Speaker 4: Davis Dale Davis, Rick Smith's, Al Harrington, John Bend, Jalen
Speaker 4: Rose traveling fast.
Speaker 3: Incredible, team yeh we loved we lost in the finals
Speaker 3: To when Shaq and kobe won that first in. Two.
Speaker 1: Thousand, yeah yeah but then that the shack filed, Out,
Speaker 1: right Yeah j is That What jalen Rose got kobe won?
Speaker 3: The, ankle, yes, yes yes that's that's.
Speaker 4: Most of them people think. IT was i think it
Speaker 4: was four to two, pose series seven game SERIES with
Speaker 4: mj in.
Speaker 2: Ninety, eight uh six game Series against shaging two thousand
Speaker 2: and the finals.
Speaker 3: Are lost were.
Speaker 2: Talking while We on reggie Talk about reggie and his
Speaker 2: workouts and how you PREPARE because i seen him with,
Speaker 2: my eyes, you know, every morning even before on, game
Speaker 2: days were just leaving to go to leave from. Shooting
Speaker 2: around he's on his way to, the arena you Know what. I'm, saying,
Speaker 2: so like how what did you See in reggie that
Speaker 2: was different that set him Apart? From, MARYBODY yeah i,
Speaker 2: to me because he don't get his props like he should.
Speaker 4: Really know he's he's one of those guys as an
Speaker 4: opponent and, the teammate the ultimate. Respects, admiration YEAH because
Speaker 4: i watched him every, single day whether it be taking
Speaker 4: care of, his ankles to getting, his rest to getting
Speaker 4: there early to get his. Shooting routine in all, those
Speaker 4: things he never changed his daily routine. At all he
Speaker 4: was so. Locked in and then the THREE years i,
Speaker 4: WAS there i DON'T think i saw a guy make
Speaker 4: more clutch Shots Than. Reggie miller it. Was amazing and
Speaker 4: he's the first guy in MY mind i can remember
Speaker 4: that started taking like ten threes. A game, Back, then
Speaker 4: guys if you, took four, toy're, like, yo DoD what do? You?
Speaker 2: Do like?
Speaker 4: Hold down reggie was, taking ten twelve threes and making five, or,
Speaker 4: six dude and. Clutch threes he was a, clutch. Performer
Speaker 4: dude and you Know when larry, took over he had
Speaker 4: a nice.
Speaker 3: Post game he was getting to the free. Throw.
Speaker 4: Line man those three YEARS that i played, WITH him
Speaker 4: i don't think there was a more clutch performer In
Speaker 4: those he was incredible and he went, you know Him
Speaker 4: and michael they.
Speaker 3: Went.
Speaker 4: Added dude you talk about that seven game series we Lost.
Speaker 4: To chicago we were up thirteen in the in the,
Speaker 4: FIRST half, i think and it was a low. Scoring
Speaker 4: game that was that was we, Had, THEM man.
Speaker 3: I Couldn't guard Reggie because reggie moved. Too much you,
Speaker 3: know what they would do. Too much they would they
Speaker 3: Would put.
Speaker 4: Scottie on Mark Because phil jackson's defensive strategy was take
Speaker 4: the take the ball. Moving away they Would put Scotty
Speaker 4: on Mark and Michael meo reggie and then almost try
Speaker 4: and stop the ball movement to almost eliminate almost, shot
Speaker 4: attempts not so much when he had, the ball but
Speaker 4: cut down.
Speaker 3: His, Attempts Now, Reggie, miller man he's one of.
Speaker 4: The greatest what was that like as? A, coach Okay
Speaker 4: So larry bird obviously you guys know.
Speaker 3: OF him i didn't play against. You played he was
Speaker 3: there in the.
Speaker 2: Front office hedn't want to actually called ME when i
Speaker 2: got my big Deal, with indiana he actually.
Speaker 4: Called me but as, a player, MM hmmm i don't
Speaker 4: know that off, the charts like off. The shots i'll
Speaker 4: put him up, against anybody especially in a. Playoff series
Speaker 4: so nasty. Passing it he does it all talk shit,
Speaker 4: like crazy but quietly only, to you which is, you
Speaker 4: know not just, to you and which messes you.
Speaker 3: Up more but as, a coach.
Speaker 4: Kept it, real simple, real fundamental, beyond time play on
Speaker 4: selfish and.
Speaker 3: Play hard, sounds silly but a lot. OF people i
Speaker 3: was there.
Speaker 4: Three seasons we had one guy late one time and.
Speaker 4: That's it, no, drama nothing because it just didn't go.
Speaker 3: For it so this is, What.
Speaker 4: Happened jack we're, Playing preseason larry's first. Year coaching we're
Speaker 4: Going to We're, leaving indiana Going to nashville for a.
Speaker 4: Preseason game it's like ten. Fifty eight everyone's on. The
Speaker 4: Plane david craig the training comes Up, To larry Travis.
Speaker 4: And dale they're coming from the they're in the in
Speaker 4: the jetway or whatever the time. Is it it's eleven.
Speaker 4: Wheels up so the plane's running down and. Taking off
Speaker 4: Travis and dale are running after, the plane. Running running
Speaker 4: literally we. Took off, everyone's like, You, Know. Savedal savedale after,
Speaker 4: that day though no one ever. Laid again that, was
Speaker 4: preseason which was. Perfect timing larry was so so blunt
Speaker 4: and to, the point, you know halftime you, be, like
Speaker 4: uh he fucking stars gonna start playing man in. Five
Speaker 4: minutes i'm taking your. ASS out i remember Game, In
Speaker 4: milwaukee i'm like four. For nine, you know you, know
Speaker 4: whatever you're not, playing great but not he, said money,
Speaker 4: come here you're gonna make a fucking shot? Or?
Speaker 3: What man just keep it.
Speaker 4: Real simple AND when i Liked, about LARRY and i
Speaker 4: did IT when i was a Coach At, saint john's
Speaker 4: he really empowered his. Assistant coach We Had, dick harder
Speaker 4: who's in charge. Of defense he let him do the
Speaker 4: defense no. Matter what We had rick in charge. Of
Speaker 4: Offense now rick would draw the plays up in the
Speaker 4: timeout and everything. Everyone thought. Larry didn't larry told him
Speaker 4: what play. He wanted he just wasn't. An artist he
Speaker 4: knew what the hell he.
Speaker 3: Was doing he. CONTROLLED everything i really.
Speaker 4: Appreciated that and by, the way we started winning a
Speaker 4: lot and they started question. Who's, coaching well he was,
Speaker 4: doing everything but he empowered, his assistance which is really
Speaker 4: what a good, teammate does what a good. LEADER does,
Speaker 4: i mean we can talk for a, long time but
Speaker 4: mother's got. Other obligations give a round up Applause For. Chris, mullen,
Speaker 4: yes sir. The legend, thank.
Speaker 3: You Bro thanks matt mm hmmm mmm