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Speaker 1: Welcome back, all the Smoke, twenty twenty five All Star

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Speaker 1: here in the beautiful Bay Area. I'm glad it's not

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Speaker 1: raining today. We got someone here today. Go ahead, special edition. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: some of who we'll get to this part, but just

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Speaker 1: very instrumental in me and both of me and Stack's careers.

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Speaker 1: There ain't no telling where if this guy didn't kind

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Speaker 1: of stamp us, we probably wouldn't be here, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, because we was both on a fucked

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Speaker 1: up path at the point when we came here.

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Speaker 2: I was so bad when I got here, I got

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Speaker 2: suspended seven games, played one.

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Speaker 1: And they couldn't even suspend me because I wasn't on

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Speaker 1: the team. So it's like shit. But uh man, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Chris mullen Man, sir, appreciate you, my brother, thanks.

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Speaker 3: For being here.

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Speaker 1: Warriors legend, Saint John's Legend, New York's finest. Magic Johnson

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Speaker 1: once said, when God made a basketball player, he carved

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Speaker 1: out Chris mullen. Don Nelson said, Mulley is Larry Bird.

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Speaker 1: He's just six', seven not six.' nine you had a lot,

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Speaker 1: of game to say. The least when you hear some

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Speaker 1: of the greatest to, ever do but obviously one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest players in one of our favorite coaches and

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Speaker 1: greatest coaches kind of give you that kind of respect.

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Speaker 1: And homage what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: To, you yeah.

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Speaker 4: That's everything and then before you get into, that first

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Speaker 4: let me let, Me Say matt Barnes And, steven jackson

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Speaker 4: it was my pleasure to have you guys here. With

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Speaker 4: us you guys made my career as a seriously that

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Speaker 4: that was the most fun looking BACK that i had

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Speaker 4: in the. Front office, your toughness, your camaraderie. Your leadership,

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Speaker 4: SO yeah i just want to, get that get that,

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Speaker 4: out there which you guys did Much, like mitch TIM.

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Speaker 4: And i, you know it was kind of a, short

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Speaker 4: stint but a, huge impact huge impact that we believe

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Speaker 4: team they still love. You GUYS so i want to

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Speaker 4: thank you guys for being part of my life now

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Speaker 4: as far as.

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Speaker 3: You know and you, guys know when, you play you know.

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Speaker 4: You're, gonna win you're, gonna lose you gotta score your

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Speaker 4: points and, all that but ultimately it's the respect of

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Speaker 4: your teammates and maybe more, your peers the people you.

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Speaker 4: Play against So what magic said to me to, this

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Speaker 4: day one of the most uplifting things that ever said

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Speaker 4: about me from a. Basketball STANDPOINT when i first made

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Speaker 4: My First all, star Game pat riley said similar things

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Speaker 4: that that still sticks in. My mind and then another

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Speaker 4: thing that always remember and you know when you when

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Speaker 4: you're playing and you're, locked in you don't really understand

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Speaker 4: what you you know on your daily, daily habits how you're.

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Speaker 4: Affecting people shee and Is marcellons ye once SAID that

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Speaker 4: i had the ability to put my, chest OUT but i,

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Speaker 4: didn't right just kind OF and i was. Taught that,

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Speaker 4: you know we're all taught things by a. Youth coaches

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Speaker 4: but one of the biggest influences of my basketball Career Was,

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Speaker 4: luke carnaseca who just passed away in. Ninety night so Much,

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Speaker 4: like matt Much like john WOULDN'T, at ucl he really

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Speaker 4: gave me three three pillars. Of success one, was this

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Speaker 4: no substitute for hard, day's, work now whatever, that means

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Speaker 4: we have a job you're in. For us was, daily

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Speaker 4: habits getting your, shots up whatever you need to do

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Speaker 4: to take care of, your body all. Those things so

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Speaker 4: no substitute for hard. Day's work remained humble. And grateful

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Speaker 4: rights have a saying called, peacock today feather dust. To,

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow right so treat everyone with grace. And humility win,

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Speaker 4: with grace lose, with humility the same thing and then

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Speaker 4: The very the last thing is what you guys are

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Speaker 3: Is share share, your experiences good. And.

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Speaker 4: Bad right you want to share because you mentioned you

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Speaker 4: know some things we're going to. TALK about i went through.

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Speaker 4: Those things maybe people, don't REMEMBER but. I did SO

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Speaker 4: what i want to do is help people not get into, those,

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Speaker 4: pitfalls right or if, they do be there.

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Speaker 3: For. Them right so share.

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Speaker 4: Your experiences and his saying there was don't have, short

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Speaker 3: But also every once in a while pick up the.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense all sixteen, year career FIVE Time Nba, all

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Speaker 2: Tough era, hand checking, beating, up fighting you're only getting

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Speaker 2: let's get too straight. To it we're here At The.

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Speaker 2: Chase arena, you know we had some great. YEARS here

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Speaker 2: i think some of my great years here being a

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Speaker 2: gym when we Were In. Golden state talk about the

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Speaker 2: process of getting me here and also the process Of.

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Speaker 3: Getting, mad here, you know doing Beat with beady. Bride

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Speaker 4: A process SO when i first, got here you GOT

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Speaker 4: was going on with this organization that become. A place

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Speaker 4: let's put, this way it was not. A destination so

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Speaker 4: you had to somehow get. That back when Me mentioned

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Speaker 3: Like that we had to get. That back at, that

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Speaker 3: A foundation that Was What, Jay Rich gilbert Mike And

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Speaker 4: a history of losing, young players Just like gilbert, had,

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Speaker 4: what's out in the trademarket of. Free agency so that was.

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Speaker 4: Yet Right baron davis Was In, new, orleans right. Just

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Speaker 4: scruntle he was on the, trade block whatever what. Might

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Speaker 4: it was FUNNY because I Called donnie walsh one of,

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Speaker 4: my guys which he'll come, back, later, ye SORRY but I.

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Speaker 4: CALLED die i would always would always. TALK trades, i said,

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Speaker 4: you know what do you Think? About barons NOT that

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Speaker 4: not as much because Of The. West coast, diane's like

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Speaker 4: he's the best guard in. The league when, he plays

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Speaker 3: When he's on. The court he's the best guard in.

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Speaker 4: Said whoa so we did a Deal for baron that

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Speaker 4: Trade deadline we went eighteen and TWELVE, with bd WITH

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Speaker 4: nelly because now Now, with barn, YOU know I had Mitch.

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Speaker 4: And Rod Mitch, Mitch Richmond mikeah montgomery. Was before okay,

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Speaker 4: got barron. Right away we're sitting up there. Watching Go that's, tim,

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Speaker 4: hardaway dude we need to get. This back nelly Had.

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Speaker 4: Left dallas he Was in hawaii.

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Speaker 3: Doing his thing because he was beefing With Market mark

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Speaker 4: Yeap BEEFING so i got a Hold Of nelly midsummer

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Speaker 4: got barron, you know never he started implementing some of.

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Speaker 4: It developing come that, trade deadline you guys were all

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Speaker 3: In indiana yeh. Yeh suspended, no, NO no I want

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Speaker 2: Your, person okay, this why this IS why, i ASK

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Speaker 2: because i know you know a lot of conversation stuff

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Speaker 4: Obviously the malice In the palace had. Happened exactly all

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Speaker 4: you guys were sitting out suspended.

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Speaker 3: The shootout, no, no.

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Speaker 2: No no the master passes happened the, year before right

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Speaker 4: To, shootout, okay okay, right right but you had been suspended.

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Speaker 3: And now it, right right rush out.

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Speaker 4: Of, jail yes let's say tumultuous Time in indiana exactly

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Speaker 4: exactly spell, that WORD but i know it sounds like.

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Speaker 3: Something bad.

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Speaker 4: I've Known donnie WALSH since i was, a kid and

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Speaker 4: we would, talk basketball talk trades all. The time even

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Speaker 4: if we didn't. Do deals we'd like to. Talk Basketball

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Speaker 4: new york guy From. The bronx he called me when

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Speaker 4: he knew he was going to move you. Guys, right

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Speaker 4: first matter, Of FACT first i Talked to ron our

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Speaker 3: Ronins and this is the type OF stuff i want.

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Speaker 4: To. Hear Yeah so i've known him since he was.

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Speaker 4: A KID so i was trying to get him To.

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Speaker 4: THE warriors i was talking to him and. His agent

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Speaker 4: calls me trying to squash that trade to Come To.

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Speaker 4: Golden state didn't.

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Speaker 4: To sack donnie calls me, and, Says listen i'm gonna

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Speaker 4: to me but, HE goes i really want this thing

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Speaker 4: to work for. His hand i'm sure. You did but

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Speaker 4: but but in, A way donnie still looked at wanted

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Speaker 2: He, Did jack he, CALLED me i forced his hand

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Speaker 4: To hold if you Look at, donnie's history he loves

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Speaker 4: going to. Judge mistakes he's going to try and. Fix

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Speaker 4: mistakes he's gonna come up. With solutions that's The way

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Speaker 4: donnie lives.

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Speaker 3: HIS life i.

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Speaker 4: Know that so he called me, and, Said look i'm

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Speaker 4: going to move. THESE guys i think there'll be a.

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Speaker 4: Good FIT but i also think you that'll be good with,

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Speaker 4: Most People, FORGET mike i went to rehabbing my, third

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Speaker 4: year way before my careers. Are calling so, when guys,

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Speaker 4: you know, have missteps my first inclination is, that's me,

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Speaker 4: not up. That's that but for the Grace, of god

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Speaker 3: Help me so that was So.

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Speaker 4: When donnie, Said that i'm, Like COOL like I, KNOW

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Speaker 4: jack I know i KNOW these I know i'd play With.

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Speaker 3: Al man this.

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Speaker 4: Is awesome but and you guys know this the, first

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Speaker 4: and i just Went. TO baron, i sometimes you know in,

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Speaker 4: Better but it's better because those guys watched the. Previous

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Speaker 2: IN la i think we had a we had a

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Speaker 4: Do something remember That man nelly was getting a, little

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Speaker 4: Quick yeah now He's In new york At the cigar

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Speaker 4: so Me AND mitch I Sent. ROD higgins, I, said

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Speaker 4: he Was with dark rehabbing. His knee so we Went

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Speaker 3: The season eighteen out of twenty one or something.

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Speaker 4: Like that so that that was a magical run AND like,

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Speaker 4: i said, short lived much LIKE. Run cmc but you,

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Speaker 4: people loved. THAT team i don't know about. You guys you,

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Speaker 4: Oracle arena i've never heard anything. As loud during.

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Speaker 3: That playoffs steve said that we go that Far signing

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Speaker 3: matt off the. Football field how did all? That Happen, Matt, barnes, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well nellie we All. Knew matt.

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Speaker 4: HE was i don't, even wait where were You in

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Speaker 4: sacramento at? That time see he made the call Right.

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Speaker 1: So baron you guys were having an open gym at,

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Speaker 3: You going where you going?

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Speaker 4: To? CAMP son i was like. Ship nowhere but once

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Speaker 4: again THAT'S and I. Knew nelly, ye yeah so like,

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Speaker 4: to us he was An Athletic. Ride, higgins, okay yes,

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Speaker 4: can play can can slide up? To four yeah right

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Speaker 3: That fit nelly, always said HOW can i make?

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Speaker 4: It work i'm gonna put pressure on the, other seane

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Speaker 3: Other team, he was he, was.

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Speaker 2: Really you was the first one like got everybody start doing.

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Speaker 3: TATTOOS too i think, maybe yeah we got. Tatted up we.

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Speaker 1: HAD fun, i mean LIKE like, i said to hear

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Speaker 3: Our side how this all. CAME together i mean we.

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Speaker 1: Were struggling baron, was HURT and, I remember i want,

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Speaker 1: Still hurt but obviously it came together game Wise. In

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Speaker 3: Game, film yeah we were, all, everyone.

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Speaker 1: Everyone everyone everyone would be high as fuck. Watching games

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Speaker 3: To no nelly was Upstairsing on nellie at the. Top

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Speaker 3: With, Ben, Wallace rip chauncey all.

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Speaker 1: Them do they would nice and we went in there

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Speaker 1: so it was super. Short lived but again for you

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Speaker 1: and troy who were, you know high draft picks for,

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Speaker 3: The, COURT yeah i, Think.

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Speaker 4: Too matt the experience of, you know having the connection,

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Speaker 4: nellie look he has a very unique way.

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Speaker 3: Of playing we all.

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Speaker 4: Know that so maybe what some of the teams would

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Speaker 4: So that that whole process was fun and it's funny

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Speaker 4: listening to what, You're. Saying matt, YOU know i Know

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Speaker 4: feelings that we had going through. That process and the,

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Speaker 4: very unique way of making. Practice fun shoot arounds were,

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Speaker 3: Do work so some.

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Speaker 4: Bonding together you guys, were tight but all of a

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Speaker 3: You, guys together kind of the, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, small lineup, we're undemanded but we're going to us against,

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Speaker 4: the world, you know and then of course you know

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Speaker 4: we'll probably get Put that.

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Speaker 3: Dallas series how.

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Speaker 4: We were, heavy, underdogs pared but we felt like we we,

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Speaker 3: Bust the ass all year.

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Speaker 4: Got them And Then dirk DAVSKY was. Mvp Unstoppable Put

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Speaker 4: steven jackson. On him Me and matt get. Up, team

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Speaker 4: yeah you both of, you guys get up, into him

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Speaker 4: get up. Into him, So again, nelly's knowledge his understanding

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Speaker 4: of your guy's toughness and just a simp that that's

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Speaker 3: A play that's the. Coaching adjustment who's gotten the.

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Speaker 4: Best player, you know you're not gonna put a big

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Speaker 4: on when he's gonna pick him up and be. Wide

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Speaker 4: open every time, He catches jack's gonna get up into.

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Speaker 3: His feet and when, he spins were there when. He

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Speaker 2: So smart he knew the worst Defender on, phoenix team

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Speaker 2: and he made our smallest player post him up because he.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't guard so we Was posting Monte On.

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Speaker 4: Play small on another. Team's, big exactly they post. Him

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Speaker 4: up that's what. We, wanted exactly they go post. The.

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Speaker 4: he used to make a Guard and al wanted. To,

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Speaker 4: have al and again this is something he.

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Speaker 3: Was weighing al he had on the.

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Speaker 4: Scaleful practice but he would, tell him as he's running,

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Speaker 4: up court getting, his way not in, the post in the,

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Speaker 4: his way and he could never get to. The paint

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Speaker 4: by the time he, got there the shot clock was down.

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Speaker 1: At eight by, the Way that dallas series in the

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Speaker 1: first Round was. Nelly's championship after, we went he didn't

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Speaker 1: give a Funk. About utah by, the way the whole

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Speaker 3: Reports and, all, that bro. Energy chances we just wanted To.

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Speaker 3: Beat dallas, you're right that's all new he wanted to

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Speaker 3: do Was. Beat dallas it, was, bad bro it. Was

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Speaker 3: done he was he, checked.

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Speaker 4: Out dude he called me down here like after he

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Speaker 4: was it, was like that was a, close, SERIES dude

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Speaker 4: i know it was for we.

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Speaker 2: Had them yeah we could had we would have won

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Speaker 2: the first. Two games we had the first two games

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Speaker 2: something i go down to. His room We're In Salt.

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434
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Speaker 2: The Playoffs man bettie ended up getting our last drug

435
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,399
Speaker 2: test and as we, Come out nelly's standing in the

436
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 2: tunnel with.

437
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 3: His hand, oh yeah. He's done he could job y'

438
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 3: out like we.

439
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 2: Did something we're taking our. Last test he clapped like

440
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 2: he happy, For, us like, oh ya he?

441
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 3: Checked out did he?

442
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,919
Speaker 1: Checked out did you know the part how after We

443
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 1: beat dallas, that night we had to go Back to

444
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: jack's House and nelly had a. Party upstairs but we

445
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 1: were Back at jackson, about this so we went Up to.

446
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 1: Nelly's place our coach used to live like three or

447
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: four Floors. Above jack so we Went to jack's place,

448
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: and smoke drink a, little bit and then we were

449
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna Stop by nelly's before we.

450
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 3: Went out we go Up to nelliot's and it's first

451
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 3: thing he said, to, us, though.

452
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 1: Hey fellas what is in the back? Rolling Doobies So

453
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 1: woody harrelson was in. The back he had a bunch

454
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 1: of people at. His Crib woody harrelson's in the back.

455
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 1: Rolling joints and keep, in mind this is our fucking.

456
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: Head coach after the first. Round victory, he's like what

457
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: he's in the back Rolling do he's go smoke? With

458
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 1: them and we looked at each, other like what the

459
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 1: fuck did our coach? Just say so we listened to

460
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 1: our coach and went in the back and smoked weed

461
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: on his Balcony with wilson was, There, Too Yeah, Jessica Alba.

462
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: Kate hudson it was kind of a.

463
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 3: Little thing chemistry. Man minding thank you for binging, me,

464
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 3: Here man thank.

465
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: You, Guys man let's get back Upbringing flat bush used

466
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: to travel around To the harlem And the bronx to

467
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: try to face the best in.

468
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 3: The city let's keep.

469
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 1: It real basketball wasn't really for people, your color but

470
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: were like really really at, that point you KNOW what,

471
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: i mean you really had to go out there and

472
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: and make a name for yourself and handle your Business

473
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: In new york and which was the mecca. Of basketball

474
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: what were those early journeys and ups and downs like

475
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: in you in your early basketball if.

476
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: You closed your eyes though you never.

477
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: That's probably why he made.

478
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,479
Speaker 4: It, work, yeah now you guys know as good as well,

479
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 4: as anybody, the journeys everything right upbringing the people that,

480
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 4: influenced us.

481
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 3: Our FAMILIES so i grew up in Flappersh.

482
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 4: In brooklyn, blue collar middle. CLASS neighborhood i had a.

483
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 4: Great family mom and dad. WERE home i was the

484
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 4: middle of. Five children my older brother was a, great.

485
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: Athlete so that was my first.

486
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 4: Role model he was a great, baseball player great, basketball

487
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,719
Speaker 4: PLAYER so i followed him everything. He did cyo basketball

488
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 4: just up. The street we had a gym right up.

489
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: The block for.

490
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 4: MY house i could walk there in. Two MINUTES but

491
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 4: i fell in love and playing in my backyard it was.

492
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: A sport I felt i could go out there by

493
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 4: myself and. Get better that's what kind of hooked me.

494
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 4: To hoops my older brother Went To Power, memorial academy

495
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 4: which was an hour and a half FROM where. I

496
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 4: lived it was a bus in. TWO trains i Was

497
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 4: At palm Memorial where. Kareem Went leney elmore was, a

498
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 4: dynamic incredible, basketball school but it was far away from.

499
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 4: My neighbor but it Was a catholic school and it.

500
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 4: Was cheap we Had several catholic schools by.

501
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 3: My house they. Were expensive there was a school. By

502
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: me it was one.

503
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 4: Thousand dollars power was, five hundred and if you had

504
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 4: a brother in, the school you got one hundred.

505
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 3: Dollars OFF so i had. No choice my father sent

506
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 3: me there because.

507
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 4: Financially so traveling Up to power Which was midtowm it

508
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 4: had sixty First. In amsterdam THAT'S where i met all

509
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 4: these guys. From Uptown mario elie was one of. My

510
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 4: Classmates In riverside church was this legendary. Au program so

511
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 4: the guys that Played at riverside With at power brought

512
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 4: me Up To riverside church and THAT'S how i started.

513
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: Going uptown.

514
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah uh AND once i, started going, you know playing

515
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 4: in the, you know summertime in, the parks not only

516
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: was it eye opening as far, as talent, it was

517
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 4: it was motivational because all of, a sudden, you know

518
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: in my NEIGH but i was the. Best player but

519
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 4: it wasn't great. Players there it were. Good there it

520
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 4: was a solid. Basketball community but you go up Up

521
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 4: to halem In, the bronx all of, a sudden, you

522
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 4: know your eyes get open. Pretty quick different style, of

523
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: play which was key. FOR me i was very fund.

524
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: OF man i was very well coached as, a kid,

525
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 4: skilled development but all of A sudden i kind of

526
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 4: learned it would be more like LIKE the, nba game

527
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 4: getting up, and down shooting the first, shot available playing

528
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 4: off the drib all THOSE things i learned. Through that

529
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 4: and then probably most importantly was every single day you

530
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 4: had to prove yourself LIKE who i went up to

531
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 4: the park and, YOU man i was the only white

532
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 4: guy in, The park so, right, away like.

533
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: What's this guy? Doing here, come? On man so there

534
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: was somewhat longer hair too a.

535
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: Little, bit yeah but, you, know pressure but also you

536
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 4: want to. Prove yourself and it was, every day so

537
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 4: you performance the DAY before i had nothing to do

538
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: with the. Next day you always had to go up

539
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 4: there and show out or they booed you until you

540
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 4: get the hell out. Of here so in, a way

541
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: that pressure slash motivation really developed.

542
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: My focus.

543
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 4: You know So whether i'm playing in an empty gym

544
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 4: or in a packed masive, square garden the approach is

545
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 4: the same because you're. Proving something if you're playing one,

546
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 4: on one you're proven to that guy, Right there i'm

547
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 4: in better condition, Than.

548
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: You i'm a, Better shooter.

549
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm TOUGHER so i learned that as a young kid

550
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: and then stayed home Obviously At saint john playing on

551
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 4: some great, teams there but my upbringing first first at

552
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 4: home and then grow Up In New. YORK city i

553
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 4: think really as a basketball player. Meant EVERYTHING but i

554
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 4: got to say it, really shaped in, my opinion a

555
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 4: wider view of the, world BECAUSE like i, said earlier.

556
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: AT home i had my mom and dad.

557
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 4: Were home my mom was home every night, for dinner

558
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 4: and all of, a sudden AT power i would go

559
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 4: Over To spanish hall with a teammate who lived in

560
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 4: the project and an, empty house, no food all of,

561
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 4: a sudden. Like damn but in a good, way though it.

562
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: Gave me it made. Me grateful it made me want

563
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: to help that kid bring home to. My house but

564
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 4: sometimes when you're only in your, own community that's you

565
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: think everyone has what.

566
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: You have so it opened up opened up my eyes

567
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: to a LOT and i tell people.

568
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 4: This too Matt and jack simple commute from Where from

569
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 4: Brooklyn To paler memorial that in itself was in education every.

570
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 4: Single DAY so i would get on the number three

571
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: Train Of, flappish avenue take it up to Forty. Second

572
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: street you guys have. Noticed IT but i would switch

573
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: on a one train to Sixty. First street but during

574
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 4: that route every day is at fourteen year. Old kids

575
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: i'd get on the Train With wall street people all

576
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 4: in suits.

577
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: And briefcases at Forty.

578
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: Second Street At, wall street they would get off the,

579
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: Next stop hood would, come on and then all of,

580
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 4: A sudden i would change. My pot i'd be like

581
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: this with the what and then all of, A, sudden i,

582
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 4: you know just. Make adjustments but doing, that alone, looking

583
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: back it gave me. Incredible awareness not only you know

584
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: how to take care of yourself in, street smart but

585
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: also again getting back to like how then people are

586
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: living differently so close. To you that's that's an, INVALUABLE education.

587
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: I thought i think when, it happens you don't think,

588
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: about it but later on you kind of have a better.

589
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: Appreciation what's going on.

590
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: Around you my mom and dad both were very progressive in,

591
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: Letting US like, i said, YOU know i was fourteen

592
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: going Up to harlem, or whatever but they wanted that for.

593
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: Their kids they wanted us to get out there and see.

594
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 4: The WORLD so i think it's a good lesson for

595
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: us to, pass On right and AND the nba, is great

596
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 4: and sports in general do that. Breakdown BARRIERS but i

597
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 4: FELT like i Had that being grown grown Up In

598
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 4: new york exposed me to a, lot basketball, of course

599
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: but a lot of.

600
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: LIFE lessons, i mean getting them that train and riding

601
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: just taking. THEIR ride i can see that so many.

602
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: Different persons it's, different THOUGH because I think i got

603
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: sixteen year. OLD kids i wouldn't trust that, these days

604
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: you KNOW what. I mean it's just that we came

605
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: up in a. Different time like, you said you're coming

606
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: out and proving yourself at the park like they don't.

607
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 3: Do, THAT no I mean i read the paper. Every

608
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: day the TRAINS are, i mean here's telling you didn't

609
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: have no choice though that was the only way you could.

610
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: Get there you Know what. I'm saying we mess to

611
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: have five kids to. Have, choices now the.

612
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: Same thing our kids didn't grow up like, we did

613
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 4: right exactly because we didn't want. Them to but there

614
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: are some things that they miss. Right exactly that's very.

615
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: Beneficent decoration the college Career Of saint john's Three Time

616
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: Big east player Of the year from nineteen eighty three

617
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: to eight nineteen, eighty five That's Crazy wooden award in nineteen,

618
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: EIGHTY five i was being a College at icon and

619
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: the Years Of saint.

620
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: John's amazing timing is, Everything right but this is When

621
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: The big east Is, THE yeah, I was I'm A.

622
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 4: BIG east i WENT on tnt last night for a

623
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: Second With charles Kenny and Shaq and Ernie. And Charles

624
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: charles Michael patch roll same year as a High School

625
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: so charles, was, like, yo DUDE like i remember watching YOU.

626
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: On espn Now his Charles At, auburn megastar but didn't have.

627
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: That platform so a few people, that KNOW the espn

628
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: did a deal With The big east in, seventy nine

629
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: so our games were naturally televised almost. Every game THEY

630
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: were espn first conference to, Do that so the exposure,

631
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 4: was incredible. Incredible platform we played our home Games At

632
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: Madison square garden In The. Big east Georgetown had patrick

633
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: and they had, You Know, Reggie Williams, david wingate they.

634
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: Had five or six pros.

635
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 4: Every year Syracuse Had, Pearl Washington, Derrek Coleman Ron. Ronnie

636
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: cykelely Villanova Had. Ed pinckney so up, and down every

637
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: every team had pros and every night was was.

638
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: A battle.

639
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 4: It was it, was increasing but again as you're going,

640
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 4: through it you just focused. On playing but, that exposure

641
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: uh just exploded. College basketball it really did, to where,

642
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: you know the kids In The west coast knew who.

643
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: WE were i remember coming.

644
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: Out, here UH when i first came Into, The Warriors

645
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: gary payton wanted to Go To Saint John's gary, Payton,

646
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: senior yeah that's where he wanted. To Go mitch Richmond, From,

647
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: watchington syria he wanted to Go. To syracuse so it

648
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: was an. Amazing time to be a college player playing

649
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: against and it was different now WITH the. Ni transporportal

650
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: most of us stayed. Four years most guys stayed. Four

651
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: years he's developed a real rivalry with with whether It, Be, Georgetown.

652
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: Syracuse villanova so, you know just just a great time

653
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: to be in. College, basketball, again timing we don't. Control

654
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 4: that but fortunately at. Home too, oh, yeah, yeah yeah

655
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: that was that was good, and bad. Mostly good, you

656
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: know sometimes having that super green.

657
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: Light, yeah yeah. Lime. Green yeah sometimes, YOU know i

658
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: feel like. You're indestructible.

659
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah Eighty four olympics goal you want to go

660
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: with Magic And patrick ewing back when kids with college

661
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: kids was able, to play talk about that experience and

662
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: the difference between that and the.

663
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: Dreams amazing so historically, speaking now the last amateur team

664
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: to win the gold medal, eighty eight. We lost the

665
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: ninety two Of The dream team. Came in that team.

666
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 4: Was loaded that was a great great that was, Said, Everybody,

667
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: Michael Patrick.

668
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: Waymon tisdale it was.

669
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: A problem, incredible player incredible god rest.

670
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: The soul incredible.

671
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: Position, Too Yes, sam perkins he played the bass guitar yeah, backwards, Yeah,

672
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: left yeah that. Was, dope, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah he was. Legit,

673
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: Dude Yeah, Vernon Fleming, Leon Wood, Steve Alford, Jeff Turner,

674
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: Joe Klein, Joe Klein.

675
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: Alvin robertson he, was nice he can. Get buckets he

676
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: was nice. And, tough yeah he. WAS nice i think.

677
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: That's everybody let missed, that.

678
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: One obviously That was michael's ultra coming. OUT party i

679
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: Had Mentioned, Michael. Patrick charlie we were all in the

680
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: same high. SCHOOL class i Had saw michael the first

681
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: time The McDonald's all, american game and people tell me,

682
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: this now like thirty, YEARS later i don't really, remember

683
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: it but, you know sometimes you. Make comments, they, said

684
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: man you came back from the McDonald's game and said

685
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: you saw the greatest player. Ever saw, I'M like i

686
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: don't really, remember that but as, a, teenager yeah and,

687
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: YOU know i played against a lot of great Players In, new.

688
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: York right and then, he said you said the same

689
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: thing after you came back From the, PanAm tryouts and

690
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: you said the same thing During the.

691
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: Olympic trials so he was. Just different he, was, different.

692
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: Athletically, fundamentally sound the best athlete on.

693
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: The floor.

694
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: Eighty four we played eight exhibition GAMES against. Nba teams

695
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: if you look at, those rosters It, Was Magic, isaiah

696
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: McHale all the.

697
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: Top, guys yeah and.

698
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: Almost, Every night mike who was the best player by

699
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: far as a junior in college and everybody.

700
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: Knew it and THEN, in la which. Was sick it

701
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: was fun man Having the olympics IN. L.

702
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: A yeah do you remember that infamous Practice that magic always. Talks, about.

703
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah but i'll give you one in from his PRACTICE in.

704
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: La Though So bobby knight was, our Coach, Legendary Bobby.

705
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: Bobby knight he recruited me and cursed me out. Big.

706
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Time yeah he called my house, and said do you

707
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: want to Come. To indiana i'm. Like well he cut, me, off,

708
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: like well you can't. Make decisions they don't worry. About

709
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: it hung up in my. Mom's face That Was. Bobby knight,

710
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: Shout Up.

711
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: Boby night bobby was let's do this way rough around,

712
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: the edges but fundamentally A GOOD yeah. I.

713
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: Did yeah.

714
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: We were PLAYING in la when most games, by thirty

715
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: we were having practice after.

716
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: The game.

717
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: Oh wow one of, Those Practices leon wood wore a.

718
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: Hat backwards bobby kicked him out of practice after we

719
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: had just won, by thirty, so yeah. He was but

720
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: let me just say This About.

721
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: Bobby night he.

722
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: When he would, travel internationally my dad WAS A us

723
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: CUSTOMS inspector Jfk In. New york anytime he came through,

724
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: the airport he made it way Over to sad and.

725
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: My dad THAT'S why i respect that way away from. The,

726
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: blight yeah just to say a quick he was a.

727
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: Real, one yeah Ninety Two dream team arguably the greatest team.

728
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Ever assembled you shot the shit out of it with

729
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: the with that team fourteen for twenty six from the

730
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: three point line during.

731
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: The run.

732
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: What was, That, like again you grew up that this is,

733
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: your generation, your guys and that the first time all

734
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: pros are going to face the rest of. The world

735
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: obviously we saw what you guys did on, the court

736
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: but what was that experience like in practice in, the

737
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: bus just kind of hanging around with.

738
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: Those, Guys, yeah matt when we, first started you Talked about,

739
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: nelly's comments. Magic comments that was the pinnacle of, my

740
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: career the pinnacle of, my success the reward for all the,

741
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: hard work, acceptance slash, you know being, being, told yeah

742
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: you're one of. The best so at that point in

743
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: time again, timing, wise right you know who knew ninety

744
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: one that that was going. TO happen i was playing

745
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: my best basketball at the. Right time so fortunately it was,

746
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 4: you know at the peak of. MY career i had

747
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: played In the, olympics already.

748
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: So to me.

749
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: To be part of that group with some of, My

750
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: idols magic and burdw WITH guys i looked up to

751
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: they were. THEY were i watched them in seventy nine

752
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: in college and watched their. Entire careers tried to emulate.

753
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: Their games Magic, and larry, you know bought, passing back including,

754
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: their teammates so the unselfish. Team PLAY so i tried

755
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: to emulate my game to, those guys and THEN here

756
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: i am playing, with them. You know so the ultimate

757
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: in getting respected by, your peers by the people in the,

758
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: league office and then the impact we're, feeling today that's

759
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: what we're. Feeling today and it was. Really cool while

760
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 4: it was. Going on davis sturned telling us forecasting what

761
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: it was going. To do he would, tell us you

762
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: guys have no idea what impact is going to have on,

763
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: Our game and we're sitting there like that's nice, to

764
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: say thank you but what does that mean thirty. Years,

765
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: later yep we have the. Global game third of our

766
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: third of our league is foreign, born players so that's.

767
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 4: The impact, so yeah so, looking back, you know and from,

768
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: that experience, you know getting to Play.

769
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: With Patrick and michael again In that olympic platform.

770
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: Was cool and then, playing against like, you said the

771
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: guys who, were rivals but then to spend time away

772
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 4: from the court get to know their families and become

773
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 4: real friends as opposed to. Just rivals and, you know

774
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 4: you guys grew up on the beginning of the so

775
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: we didn't have, social media so we didn't hang out in.

776
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: The offseason we would maybe go to a, golf tournament

777
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 4: maybe go to a, charity game but we didn't hang.

778
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 4: Like that so that was cool to be around each

779
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 4: other away from the. Competitive platform so that was. Really

780
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: nice it, was good and it opened up an OPPORTUNITY

781
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: because i got Close, with larry NOT that i wasn't close.

782
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: WITH him i wound up Going to indiana Playing, for larry,

783
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: you know, years later but, to me it was the

784
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: ultimate recognition for. My career so, to ME that i

785
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: didn't Win a, WORLD championship i went to the. Finals

786
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: once but, for me the thing that really sticks out

787
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: to me the most on My two olympic experiences that are.

788
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 4: So unique both of them are. So different but again.

789
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: THE timing i was fortunate enough to be playing at

790
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: a high level both in eighty four and. Ninety two

791
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: some players Missed those olympic years.

792
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: As amateurs when you're looking back on, it now was

793
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: that Almost because berg was on his, way out magic

794
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: was on it because that was that kind of the

795
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: passing of.

796
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: The torch oh kind of, oh boy what?

797
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: Was?

798
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: That like?

799
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: It was? It was it was a grabbing of. The torch.

800
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: Larry, Passed It. LARRY larry a lot of those practice

801
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: sessions you, Talked. About jack that one Was. In, monaco

802
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: yeah so we we were we Went To san diego for.

803
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: Training camp we had to qualify For the olympics because

804
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: we lost in. Eighty eight we had to Go to

805
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: portland for, a tournament and then we took a break

806
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: and uh Went To. Monte carlo so we Played the

807
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: french NATIONAL team i think, it was and didn't really.

808
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: Play Well So chuck dale, IS like i need one

809
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: more practice before we Go, to barcelona and that's when

810
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: that that practice, was closed, closed door no one in.

811
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: The Gym chuck daly split up. The teams michael had,

812
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: A squad magic had, a squad and they were just.

813
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: Talking TRASH and.

814
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: I remember, You know michael was just Going at Magic

815
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: and magic was not Giving, up magics, you know one

816
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 4: of the greatest players of all time and still was

817
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: not going to just hand. It over larry had a,

818
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: bad BACK and, i remember, you know scrimmagine and everyone's

819
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: talking ship and you Look over larry.

820
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: Just laughing leave that. Guy. Alone man we had our

821
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: time in.

822
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: The sun but it was literally it was cool to

823
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: see Not only michael, take It but magic fight.

824
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: For it yeah it a and. Go nothing yeah you,

825
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: got it. You know so it was.

826
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: Really cool there was another thing about. That experience all

827
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: those guys stocked, Him Alone. Patrick david, you know you

828
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: could see why they're so, so successful not only in

829
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: basketball but after the. Post, career yeah just because of,

830
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: their professionalism, their dedication discipline and.

831
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: Work ethic so that was really cool.

832
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 4: To see, so yeah just that that, to me, for

833
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: me throughout my, basketball career the most memorable Experience.

834
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: THE pacer i mean obviously thirteen. Years, here yeah you.

835
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: Move On how first, of all how tough was that

836
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: to move On From golden state because that WAS your nba.

837
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: Home and then you Go. To, indiana yeah it was,

838
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: you know sometimes it's just time. To go boys were,

839
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: in transition going very. VERY young i was, thirty four

840
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: probably turning. Thirty five it, was tough, YOU know i thought,

841
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: about staying but then this Opportunity called larry got the head.

842
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: Coaching job we had that relationship From The. Dream Team

843
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 4: donny walsh. Was, there uh they had a they had

844
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 4: a really good team for, many years trying to, you

845
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: know get, Over, there uh get over. The Hump mark jackson,

846
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: was there was you KNOW my i Played with mark in,

847
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: high school in college and, then yeah so my three

848
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: years With the pacers with three of the best years,

849
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: they had you know in, MY career i mean the

850
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: three best two conference FINALS and. Nba finals, you know

851
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 4: so played with some incredible you. Know Pros, reggie miller,

852
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: of course dynamic incredible did You play reggie talk about

853
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: daily habits and routine does.

854
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: Not vary reggie is a creature of habit and that's why,

855
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: he's such, you know such a.

856
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: Legendary great all bullshit aside in a practice shootout one

857
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: on one with You.

858
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: And reggie what did that? Look like did it happened all?

859
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: The time so what we used to do almost after

860
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 4: every practice we would. Shoot threes but wasn't just Me.

861
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: And reggie we used to four of us would, Shoot,

862
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: Me reggie mark would join in because, You know mark

863
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a shooter competitive.

864
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: And, oh yeah it was automatical and S And.

865
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: Sam perkins sam had so we would we would, go

866
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: win play show and then the other guy would have.

867
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: To, leave yeah.

868
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: And shoot so we go back. And forth we go back,

869
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: and forth but not. Many MISSES but i Always respected

870
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: reggie's his work efter. His, routine man he believed not

871
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: very he did the same thing.

872
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: Every day. So dedicated. Great teammate AND really I, mean

873
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: jack you know he carried that franchise for almost.

874
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: Twenty years that's the only reason they traded for me

875
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: because he. Approved it so got nothing but respect the Admiration.

876
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: For reggie But but indiana and you, Played, there. JACK

877
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 4: unique nba city got a. College atmosphere people drive around

878
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: the cars with the flags, like yeah like it's.

879
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: It's a.

880
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: UNIQUE experience i have had three great, Years There Antonio

881
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 4: Davis Dale Davis, Rick Smith's, Al Harrington, John Bend, Jalen

882
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 4: Rose traveling fast.

883
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: Incredible, team yeh we loved we lost in the finals

884
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: To when Shaq and kobe won that first in. Two.

885
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Thousand, yeah yeah but then that the shack filed, Out,

886
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: right Yeah j is That What jalen Rose got kobe won?

887
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: The, ankle, yes, yes yes that's that's.

888
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: Most of them people think. IT was i think it

889
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: was four to two, pose series seven game SERIES with

890
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: mj in.

891
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: Ninety, eight uh six game Series against shaging two thousand

892
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: and the finals.

893
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: Are lost were.

894
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: Talking while We on reggie Talk about reggie and his

895
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: workouts and how you PREPARE because i seen him with,

896
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: my eyes, you know, every morning even before on, game

897
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: days were just leaving to go to leave from. Shooting

898
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: around he's on his way to, the arena you Know what. I'm, saying,

899
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: so like how what did you See in reggie that

900
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: was different that set him Apart? From, MARYBODY yeah i,

901
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: to me because he don't get his props like he should.

902
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: Really know he's he's one of those guys as an

903
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 4: opponent and, the teammate the ultimate. Respects, admiration YEAH because

904
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 4: i watched him every, single day whether it be taking

905
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: care of, his ankles to getting, his rest to getting

906
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: there early to get his. Shooting routine in all, those

907
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: things he never changed his daily routine. At all he

908
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: was so. Locked in and then the THREE years i,

909
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 4: WAS there i DON'T think i saw a guy make

910
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: more clutch Shots Than. Reggie miller it. Was amazing and

911
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: he's the first guy in MY mind i can remember

912
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: that started taking like ten threes. A game, Back, then

913
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: guys if you, took four, toy're, like, yo DoD what do? You?

914
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: Do like?

915
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: Hold down reggie was, taking ten twelve threes and making five, or,

916
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: six dude and. Clutch threes he was a, clutch. Performer

917
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: dude and you Know when larry, took over he had

918
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: a nice.

919
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: Post game he was getting to the free. Throw.

920
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: Line man those three YEARS that i played, WITH him

921
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: i don't think there was a more clutch performer In

922
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 4: those he was incredible and he went, you know Him

923
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: and michael they.

924
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: Went.

925
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: Added dude you talk about that seven game series we Lost.

926
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: To chicago we were up thirteen in the in the,

927
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 4: FIRST half, i think and it was a low. Scoring

928
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: game that was that was we, Had, THEM man.

929
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: I Couldn't guard Reggie because reggie moved. Too much you,

930
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: know what they would do. Too much they would they

931
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: Would put.

932
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: Scottie on Mark Because phil jackson's defensive strategy was take

933
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 4: the take the ball. Moving away they Would put Scotty

934
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: on Mark and Michael meo reggie and then almost try

935
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 4: and stop the ball movement to almost eliminate almost, shot

936
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: attempts not so much when he had, the ball but

937
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: cut down.

938
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: His, Attempts Now, Reggie, miller man he's one of.

939
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: The greatest what was that like as? A, coach Okay

940
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: So larry bird obviously you guys know.

941
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: OF him i didn't play against. You played he was

942
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: there in the.

943
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: Front office hedn't want to actually called ME when i

944
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: got my big Deal, with indiana he actually.

945
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 4: Called me but as, a player, MM hmmm i don't

946
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: know that off, the charts like off. The shots i'll

947
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: put him up, against anybody especially in a. Playoff series

948
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: so nasty. Passing it he does it all talk shit,

949
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: like crazy but quietly only, to you which is, you

950
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: know not just, to you and which messes you.

951
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: Up more but as, a coach.

952
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: Kept it, real simple, real fundamental, beyond time play on

953
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: selfish and.

954
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: Play hard, sounds silly but a lot. OF people i

955
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: was there.

956
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: Three seasons we had one guy late one time and.

957
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: That's it, no, drama nothing because it just didn't go.

958
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: For it so this is, What.

959
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 4: Happened jack we're, Playing preseason larry's first. Year coaching we're

960
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: Going to We're, leaving indiana Going to nashville for a.

961
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: Preseason game it's like ten. Fifty eight everyone's on. The

962
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: Plane david craig the training comes Up, To larry Travis.

963
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: And dale they're coming from the they're in the in

964
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: the jetway or whatever the time. Is it it's eleven.

965
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: Wheels up so the plane's running down and. Taking off

966
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 4: Travis and dale are running after, the plane. Running running

967
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 4: literally we. Took off, everyone's like, You, Know. Savedal savedale after,

968
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: that day though no one ever. Laid again that, was

969
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: preseason which was. Perfect timing larry was so so blunt

970
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: and to, the point, you know halftime you, be, like

971
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: uh he fucking stars gonna start playing man in. Five

972
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: minutes i'm taking your. ASS out i remember Game, In

973
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: milwaukee i'm like four. For nine, you know you, know

974
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: whatever you're not, playing great but not he, said money,

975
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: come here you're gonna make a fucking shot? Or?

976
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: What man just keep it.

977
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 4: Real simple AND when i Liked, about LARRY and i

978
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: did IT when i was a Coach At, saint john's

979
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: he really empowered his. Assistant coach We Had, dick harder

980
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: who's in charge. Of defense he let him do the

981
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 4: defense no. Matter what We had rick in charge. Of

982
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: Offense now rick would draw the plays up in the

983
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: timeout and everything. Everyone thought. Larry didn't larry told him

984
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: what play. He wanted he just wasn't. An artist he

985
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: knew what the hell he.

986
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: Was doing he. CONTROLLED everything i really.

987
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 4: Appreciated that and by, the way we started winning a

988
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: lot and they started question. Who's, coaching well he was,

989
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: doing everything but he empowered, his assistance which is really

990
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 4: what a good, teammate does what a good. LEADER does,

991
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: i mean we can talk for a, long time but

992
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: mother's got. Other obligations give a round up Applause For. Chris, mullen,

993
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 4: yes sir. The legend, thank.

994
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: You Bro thanks matt mm hmmm mmm