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Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Arizona Cardinals at ESPN broadcaster Dave Pash.

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is a guy that I had

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Speaker 1: the pleasure of working with for four seasons on college

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Speaker 1: football at ESPN who's continuing to climb the ladder and

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Speaker 1: is one of the faces and voices of college football,

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Speaker 1: not just on ESPN but nationally with all that he does,

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Speaker 1: whether it's calling games, college football, Live Sports Center, He's

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Speaker 1: got his own podcast. He does a radio show in Birmingham.

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Speaker 1: Greg McElroy, Greg, still a young guy at his mid thirties,

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Speaker 1: excellent player in college won a national championship as the

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Speaker 1: quarterback at Alabama. In fact, it was the first championship

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Speaker 1: that Nick Saban won as the head coach at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Went on to play in the NFL for a little bit,

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Speaker 1: including for the New York Jets against the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that during the podcast. We'll also talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the big storylines in college football this

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Speaker 1: year and what could be not just the biggest story

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Speaker 1: in the sport, but the biggest story in sports period,

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Speaker 1: and that's Colorado football. And Dion Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's really fun, it's really exciting. It's a

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Speaker 2: great story. But if some of the flaws that were

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Speaker 2: exposed a little bit last week get exposed even more,

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Speaker 2: then it could come crashing down pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Greg will also talk about what it was like to

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Speaker 1: play for Nick Saban and Alabama, and we'll relive that

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Speaker 1: memorable twenty twelve Cardinals Jets defensive showdown at MetLife Stadium

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Speaker 1: with Greg McElroy coming up on the podcast. We are

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Speaker 1: one eight hundred. Next step all right, Time to catch

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Speaker 1: up with First of all, a great guy, great friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, also terrific broadcaster who for the next three

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Speaker 1: to four decades is going to be on your TV

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Speaker 1: screen as probably the most authoritative face and voice on

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Speaker 1: college football in the country. And that's great Mackelrod.

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Speaker 3: Greg.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure over the course of the next thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: or so, I'm gonna be busting your chops, So let

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Speaker 1: me at least start with some praise. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: for you, man, your fast rise at ESPN. I guess

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Speaker 1: I was the training wheels for you, working with you

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Speaker 1: for four plus years to get you to this point

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Speaker 1: where you're now working with the great Sean McDonough on

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Speaker 1: the number two team on college football. You sound fantastic, brother.

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Speaker 1: How how's it been through a couple games?

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Speaker 2: Well, I love that you're softening me up right now.

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Speaker 2: You're fattening me up for the kill. I know what's

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Speaker 2: coming now. I am appreciative and I will always appreciate.

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Speaker 2: We ate our friendship first and foremost, but I'll appreciate

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Speaker 2: all the positive and quality lessons I learned from you

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Speaker 2: on how to be a pro. Us are real pro,

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Speaker 2: as Bill Raftery would say, a real pro's it's good man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate very much our friendship, and I'm

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Speaker 2: glad that we could do this together and hopefully we

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Speaker 2: get to reference the incredible game that was the twenty

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Speaker 2: twelve Cardinals Jets game. So I know we'll have a

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Speaker 2: chance to get there at some point.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's coming, that's coming. That's on the list.

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Speaker 1: But first, let's talk college football, because it feels like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw. I know you saw

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Speaker 1: the ratings as I did, and I still am surprised

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Speaker 1: as much as I know. Dion's a big story in

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Speaker 1: Colorado's a big story, dude, It's the biggest story in

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Speaker 1: sports right now. They had almost a ten a ten

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Speaker 1: million people watching that broadcast that went until two in

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Speaker 1: and I was one of them.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there thinking, all right, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: this game will go final, It'll be one thirty. I'll

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Speaker 2: get to bed and I'll make my expand polite, no problem.

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Speaker 2: I'll get three hours or so and be fine. Then

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Speaker 2: sure enough, over ninety eight our drive overtime, second overtime,

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh boy, there goes the sleep cycle. But

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Speaker 2: it's it's amazing, man, And I think, what's funny about it, Dave,

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Speaker 2: and I know you know you and I have talked

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a pop culture phenomenon in some ways.

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Speaker 2: I mean, whether it's the celebrities on the field, the

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Speaker 2: I think because people are just so fascinated by it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, nobody in their right mind could have anticipated

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Speaker 2: the performances that they've put together up to this point.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure it'll ever really be replicated. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So they've got Oregon this week, and then they got

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Speaker 1: and when I say reality, like they may still win

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Speaker 2: They split, we are. If they go zero and two

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's quite gonna capture the

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Speaker 2: Because right now it's really fun, it's really exciting, it's

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Speaker 1: Through three weeks. Who would you say is the best team?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Georgia second half looked like Georgia last week.

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Speaker 1: First half not so much. Obviously, you're Alma mater. Alabama

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Speaker 2: Well, george is the best team. They have the highest ceiling,

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Speaker 2: if I had to rank them right now, Dave like,

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Speaker 2: I'd have Washington too. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 2: have you watched Michigan? I mean, because Michigan doesn't look

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think right now Washington's the team that's

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Speaker 2: And I think SC is really capable as well. But

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Speaker 1: So Michael Pennix clearly is one of the most improved

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Speaker 1: players the last few years. You and I did one

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Speaker 1: when he was in Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Definitely did an Indiana game. I still know if he

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Speaker 2: Well you made me go up there to East Lanting

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Speaker 2: but it's yeah, maybe he wasn't. Maybe he did play

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Speaker 2: that game. I really don't remember. I think he probably did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I had him the next year twice

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Speaker 1: obviously Caleb Williams and Drake May we already knew that

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Speaker 1: there could be five to six quarterbacks in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Is is Pennock's legit in your mind?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? He is. He is the real deal. And now

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Speaker 2: he has an excellent supporting cast. So he gets taken

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Speaker 2: into account that his wide receivers and he's got three

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Speaker 2: of them that are ridiculous. But man, he's making throws

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Speaker 2: not that I have anything against lest handed quarterbacks at all,

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Speaker 2: but like, for whatever reason, it's watching left handed quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: It always looks unnatural to a right handed guy. But

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, he doesn't to me look unnatural at all,

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Speaker 2: And I think he's he's excellent. I mean really really good.

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Speaker 2: For instance, like if I had to choose an NFL

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Speaker 2: player between Bonix or him, I'd probably take Michael Pennix.

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Speaker 2: And I know bo Nix has garnered a lot of attention,

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Speaker 1: So one of the years we were together, we did

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, Greg, it felt

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Speaker 2: When you watch him throw in shorts, it's like, really,

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Speaker 1: You and I did you know Kyler Murray games in college?

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Speaker 2: I had Tune in the American Championship in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson's looked really good so far. I think I

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, no one's seen more LSU games. I

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Speaker 2: to give you eight to ten good years where he's

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00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: going to be a steady presence there and you can

431
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: slade him inside too in some obvious third down rush

432
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: situations if you want to, and he can probably give

433
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: you a little bit inside as well. So I really

434
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: like him. I think he's a good player. He's got

435
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: some good length and obviously comes from a conference you've

436
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: got to bring it every week too, and it plays

437
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: the right way. I mean really does play the right way,

438
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 2: So I think he's a good pick too. I feel

439
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: good about him.

440
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: Well, I know you root for the Cardinals because of

441
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: our friendship, so I know that you have a stake

442
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: in what happens.

443
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: Here more for Wolf than well.

444
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, first of all, because I've been messing

445
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: with Wolf like he is nationally renowned because of you

446
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: and Sean and Mike Muscaro, who's part of the production team,

447
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: getting Wolf to voice the teas and then making Wolf

448
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: the answer to the Affleck trivia question. And I appreciated

449
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: you putting up the picture of Wolf at age eleven.

450
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah he did. He did look very similar,

451
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: just as crazy and I swear in that little tease

452
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: that we ran with the backyard brawlby and obviously a

453
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: proud West Virginia mountaineer. He wrote the poem and everything

454
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: for it, which was terrific. I mean, he's actually very talented.

455
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: That was pretty impressive, the poem that he wrote. But

456
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: I mean, surely his voice was not that garkly like

457
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: I've heard him talk before, like that was that had

458
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: to have been like post production special effects. I don't

459
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: care what anybody said, Like I know, he's nuts. And

460
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 2: I've listened to you guys on the radio forever, but

461
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, there's no way he's that garglely,

462
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: is he?

463
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 3: He is?

464
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: When he's locked in like that too, and he's reading,

465
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: it's different. It's different than when he's just calling a game.

466
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's reading a script and he's locked in

467
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: and he's reading his own poetry. Yet it does sound

468
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: a little different.

469
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: Okay, good. I was well, I to hope that someone

470
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: has made some money in post production, but maybe not.

471
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: It sounds like that was the real deal.

472
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: He's looking he's looking for money too, by the way,

473
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: So if you anything you can throw his way would

474
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: be appreciated.

475
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: Nob kidding.

476
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, I don't have that. Maybe Sean can help him out.

477
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: I don't have that, So maybe you can take care

478
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: of him. Maybe maybe you guys, you guys and all

479
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: your all your commas and your bank if I got that.

480
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: So the team the Cardinals are playing this week. You

481
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: obviously have a connection to the Cowboys, your dad being

482
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: a former executive with the Cowboys. I'm curious, first of all,

483
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: what it was like to grow up as part of

484
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: your childhood being associated with the Cowboys and also being

485
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan as a guy that played high school

486
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: quarterback very successfully in the state of Texas.

487
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: Well. I mean, I my dad worked in pro sports forever,

488
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: so I was a Cowboy fan though before he got

489
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys. So when he got to the Cowboys,

490
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: Dad had jobs that I really cared about. When he

491
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: took the job of the Dodgers, where I remain a

492
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: diehard Dodger fan, and then when he took the job

493
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: with the Cowboys, and you kind of as a kid

494
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: that grows up in sports, like you root for the paycheck.

495
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: So wherever Dad is, I'm rootten for you, and I'm

496
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: rooting hard. So whether it's the La Kings, the Dallas Stars,

497
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: the Texas Rangers, the you know, back to the Dodgers,

498
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys, the Arizona Standing like I'm rooting for

499
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: the I'm rooting for the paycheck. So but when he

500
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: had the job of the Cowboys, like I was a

501
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: real genuine Cowboys fan being a kid in Dallas before

502
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: he got that gig. So it was like a dream

503
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: come true for me, you know, having grown up watching

504
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: you know, Aikman and Emmett and Michael Irvin, and Dion

505
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean, gosh, all the greats there

506
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: in the nineties, So it was really pretty amazing when

507
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: he got that gig. And then when he got there,

508
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: they stunk. You know. Of course, you get the job

509
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: during the Chan Gaily era and then you know, you

510
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: get a piece of it during Parcels and way Phillips

511
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: where they ended up having some good years, but for

512
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: most of that tenure as a Cowboy executive, they were

513
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: god awful. So it was really hard to pull for

514
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: the Cowboys when it was so natural as a kid

515
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: because they were always winning. Well. When Dad got the job,

516
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: he was the bad luck charm and I think in

517
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: his tenure they won one playoff game in the ten

518
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: to twelve years that he was there, So it was

519
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: a less than ideal time to really be all the

520
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: way in on the Cowboys. We just missed the run

521
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: as a young kid, and I you know, we didn't

522
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: have a whole lot to show for it. But it

523
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 2: was cool. And the weird thing is when I got

524
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: drafted to the Jets and my dad was still with

525
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, it was like, like I can't I can't

526
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: root for the Cowboys anymore, Like I mean no way.

527
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean that ain't happened. And my first NFL game

528
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: was actually against the Cowboys on nine to eleven and

529
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, so it was a ten year anniversary

530
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: nine eleven. It was either Sunday night or Monday night football,

531
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: I don't remember. It was definitely a night game. I

532
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: don't remember if it was a Sunday or Monday. And

533
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: Romo threw a couple picks and one bad pick at

534
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: the end of the game where they were on the

535
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: same page as des Bryant and Reeve caught it off.

536
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: Reeves picked it off and took it back, and Nick Folk,

537
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: former Cowboy, drained it for the game winner. And I've never, ever,

538
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: not one time in my life, cheered a Romo interception

539
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: until that night. So it was very uncomfortable being there

540
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: on the sideline in the Jets' uniform and like cheering

541
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: against the team that I grew up gretting for and

542
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: one of the players that I was obsessed with as

543
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: a kid.

544
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: By the way, back to your dad, the great Greg

545
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: McElroy Senior, for a second, has he forgiven you for

546
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: taking that bottle of wine out of his collector's stash

547
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: that fridge that he has in his house when you

548
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: and I did that Texas A and M Spring game.

549
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, the nerve that you have to go

550
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: in there on your own without permission and just take

551
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: a nice bottle of silver oak.

552
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's really funny because my dad is convinced that

553
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: he has this really nice wine collection. Dad has never

554
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: had a glass of wine it in life. I mean,

555
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm not exaggerating that has never once had a glass

556
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: of wine. Dad drinks beer. That's what Dad drinks in vodka,

557
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: So like, you know what, Dad, you know what you're

558
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: getting beer and vodka, pretty simple. But he's literally never

559
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: had wine. I did. However, when I was going through

560
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: the NFL process, I was like, you know, and the

561
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: draft process. This is during the lockout. So this is

562
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. I was still living at home, and

563
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: I went through a little bit of a wine face,

564
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: albeit short lived, but a bit of a wine face.

565
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: So I stalked up on all these bottles and nice bottles,

566
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: and I just got dratched by the Jets and to

567
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: buy some nice wine and you know, I'm gonna have it,

568
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: and I just left it in my dad's fridge, and sure, enough.

569
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: You go in Dad's fridge and he's got like probably

570
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: ten fifteen, twenty bottles of wine that are all like

571
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight vintage, you know, silver, oak, camus,

572
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, all the usual suspects, cake bread, you name it.

573
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: But they're all like two thousand and eight, two thousand

574
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: and nine. And Dad's convinced that he's been collecting those

575
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 2: for years, but they're actually mine, and he doesn't remember that.

576
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: He forgets that I lived at home during the lockout,

577
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: and he forgets that I went through a wine phase.

578
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: And he somehow seems to not be able to get

579
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: the dots based on the fact that all the wine

580
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: bottles that are in there are eighth nine. So I'm

581
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: not sure what he's thinking, but you're the one that

582
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: wanted to break that bottle open, and you drank the

583
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: whole thing, and it was really unprofessional. And we had

584
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: a really high level telecast the next day, and you

585
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: had a whole bottle of wine before we went to

586
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: bed the night before. It was really unprofessional of you.

587
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: First of all, that's not true, but I will say

588
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: he did offer to pick whatever was in there, and

589
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: then when I found out that it was yours. I

590
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: made sure to pick the most expensive one.

591
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, of course you did well. Dad still thinks

592
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: that like we owe him money for that. But I'm

593
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: not payned because I'm not payned for the same thing twice.

594
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: I've paid for it once. I'm certainly not going to

595
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: pay for it again.

596
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: All Right, you've mentioned the Jets a couple of times.

597
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: I got to get there, but I want to start

598
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: with Alabama because you were the quarterback on Nick Saban,

599
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: who is a first ballot Hall of Famer, perhaps the

600
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: greatest college football coach.

601
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: Of all time.

602
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: You were the quarterback on his first national championship team.

603
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: What was it like to be a part of a

604
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: program shifting, sport changing title season? And then you know,

605
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: we did some Alabama You've done him obviously without me,

606
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: but Alabama games after that kind of watching interaction with

607
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: coach Saban is interesting. What was it like to play

608
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: for him as well? So loaded question, take your time,

609
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: but I'm curious.

610
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm both.

611
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll just cancel whatever you have left on

612
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: the podcast. We'll just go down.

613
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Then we have to save time for twenty twelve and

614
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: and and what happened on that faithful days.

615
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: I definitely want to carve out some time for that.

616
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: So that's a lock. Well, starting with the first question

617
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: that you asked, what was it like navigating through a

618
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: season that was, you know, program defining sport, finding you know,

619
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: seismic shift in the college football landscape. And the way

620
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: I'd answer that is very simply not trying to dodge

621
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: the question. But I mean we didn't know, you know,

622
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: like I mean, we didn't know it was going to

623
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: be a you know, tectonic shift of the powers that

624
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: be because when we were you know, twenty one twenty two,

625
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: we wanted to win, but for each other, you know,

626
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: we didn't really think about the bigger picture. I'm glad

627
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: that we didn't, because we probably would have felt a

628
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: whole lot more pressure. But we just heay, let's just

629
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: go win this thing, man, like no one thinks we can. Like,

630
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: let's just go get it done. And we did, and

631
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: we had a good team, and I don't think any

632
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: of us really realized what we were doing at the time.

633
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: And as I've gotten older and seen the program with

634
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: great teams come up short, it's only gotten a little

635
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: bit sweeter. That's one thing I've noticed is that it's

636
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: really hard to win championships, and for us to have

637
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: won it with that roster and with that team and

638
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: the way we wanted against the teams we beat, it

639
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: was pretty dang special to be part of. But it's

640
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: not on the day that I really thought about At

641
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: the moment. It was just, Hey, we're gonna try to

642
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: win each game and let's take it one at a time.

643
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: Let's just see what happens. And when the winds started

644
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: mounting up, it got a little bit more pressure packs,

645
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: but really never to the point where you know, we

646
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: were worried about losing anything. I mean, it was like,

647
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: we had nothing to lose, Let's go throw or out

648
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: in the ring and see what happens. And that's kind

649
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: of the way it went down.

650
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: So so, even with early even with started interrupt but

651
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: even with like Julio Jones and mark Ingram and Trent

652
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Richardson and first round picks on the defense, you guys

653
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: did not think in the middle of the season or

654
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: early in the season that you guys were a championship team.

655
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Well, we thought we got a chance to be really good,

656
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: but we never talked about championships like we talked about, Hey,

657
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: let's just win the one in front of us. Like

658
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: there were guys on that team that were first round

659
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: picks that we didn't know were first round picks. Like

660
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: I remember when Kareem Jackson went out after two thousand

661
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: and nine championship came and all of us were like,

662
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: why is he going out? Like that's absurd, Like he

663
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: might get drafted, you know, there's no way, you know,

664
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: And sure enough he's like the twentieth overall pick and

665
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: it's still playing. The guys had like at safety, a

666
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: fifteen year career, you know, one of the most accomplished

667
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: players that was on that team. Like we knew ROLANDA.

668
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: McClain was a first round pick, Like we knew that,

669
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: but we didn't, you know, we were we I mean,

670
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: we were pretty naive at that point. Like it really

671
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: wasn't so much like now so much of it's like

672
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: NFL driven, NFL driven, like this guy's for this guy's

673
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: for trimp pick. Like it really wasn't like that back then.

674
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: There was more like, oh, well, he's good, he can

675
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: help us. Like our center was five ten to eighty,

676
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: you know, like that's a Alabama like, you know, clearly

677
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: not an NFL prospect, but a really good college player.

678
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Our you know, our right tackle was you know, never

679
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: sniffed the NFL and not even got to a training camp.

680
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: Our two tight ends never even got the training camp.

681
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: Our back up running back not Trent Richardson, but the

682
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: backup was actually got named Roy up Church, never got

683
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: the training camp. Our number two wide receiver never got

684
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: the training camp. Our number three wide receiver never got

685
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: the training camp. And we're talking like these are like

686
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: impact players on the team. So yeah, our left tackle

687
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: was a first round pick, James Carpenter. Our left guard

688
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: was a third round pick. Mike Johnson I was a

689
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: seventh round pick. Our running backs obviously Trent and Mark

690
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: both first round picks. Julio first round pick, but was

691
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: young at that point and frankly, during the championship season

692
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 2: was never really at one hundred percent and the numbers

693
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: would kind of reflect that he didn't really have a

694
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: huge year. He was much better in ten when he

695
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: came back as a third year junior and was uncoverable.

696
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: And then defensively, you had Kareem Jackson, who was the

697
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: first round pick, Brandon Detrick, a defensive lineman. The seventh

698
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: round pick Lorenzo Washington was a seventh round pick or

699
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: an undrafted guy, but you know, bottom, you know, bottom

700
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: of the roster guy and played maybe two or three years.

701
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: Corey Remer our outside linebacker, never played down the NFL.

702
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: Eric Anders never played down the NFL.

703
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: You don't have to go through the whole roster, Greg,

704
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: we get we get it well.

705
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: So it's like one of those things. It's like we

706
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like it was a superstar dridden team.

707
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: We had some good players, but it wasn't you know,

708
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: we were just we were just good, like some was

709
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: greater than each individual part, which I think was kind

710
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: of cool about that roster and what made it a

711
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: little different from the rosters that came down the road.

712
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: So no, like national championship was never really in our

713
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: four purview, Like it was more let's, hey, let's beat LSU,

714
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: let's beat Alabama, and hey, if we get the chance,

715
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: let's beat Florida. You know, those were kind of the

716
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: three things we wanted to do that year. And then

717
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: sure enough, the wins just kept piling up and the

718
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: National Championship became, you know, a clearer focus.

719
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: So, yeah, the win over Florida was really cool to

720
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: watching the Swamp Kings documentary on Netflix and seeing it

721
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: was obviously the Florida side of things from their perspective,

722
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: but just seeing you guys go in there and beat them.

723
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember if that was on nine or ten,

724
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: but anyway, what was it like to play for coach Saban?

725
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: He seems to be the same guy because Wolfley played

726
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: for the Browns for Belichick and was the decordinator. And

727
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: the way he talks about Saban is the same way

728
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: you've talked about him, and basically the same thing I've

729
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: seen when I've done his games. Is he the same

730
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: guy today that he was then? What's it like to

731
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: be around him as a player.

732
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: No, he's a lot different now than he used to be,

733
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, really, yeah, And but he's

734
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: had to adapt and the modern players different and like us,

735
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: we never asked why, you know what I mean, like

736
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: the players back in the day, not that we're tougher,

737
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: like I don't like the whole notion. Well back in

738
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: my day, you know, like it's not really bad, but

739
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 2: but we just Hey, you want us to go jump

740
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: off a bridge? Perfect, let's go. Hey, you want us

741
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: to you want us to do this, let's do it.

742
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: Whatever you think, Like we trusted him one you know,

743
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: whatever he needed us to do, we were going to

744
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: do it. And he didn't really have to push, he

745
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: didn't really have to ask, he didn't have to beg

746
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: he just did it. But the modern day players is

747
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: not that way. Like the modern player has options. You

748
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: can enter the transfer portal, you can go somewhere else.

749
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: You can voice your frustration on social media with your

750
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: coaching staff, which in turn hurts recruiting, which you know

751
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: means you really get the last laugh if if a

752
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: coach doesn't treat you the way you need to be

753
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: treated or the way you think you need to be treated,

754
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: so he's had to change. I think he kind of

755
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: handles guys with with a little bit different approach. Like

756
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: back in our day it was tough love man like,

757
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: it was hard and he was not nice, and you

758
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: know he was, I mean, he was a dictator and

759
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: that's that's what he was. I mean, that's there's no

760
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: doubt about it. His way or the highway. And if

761
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: you don't want any part of the team final, you're

762
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: not gonna win. And see you it was pretty simple.

763
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: But the one thing that he always did a really

764
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: good job of is that when you were struggling, maybe

765
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: you had a run of bad games, maybe a game

766
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: or two he didn't play great. He had a unique

767
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: ability of being able to sense your or internal challenge,

768
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, because you're you know, you're clearly feeling it,

769
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: like you want to play well, you want you want

770
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: to help the team. He would really kind of build

771
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: you up. So he'd call you in his office. You

772
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: think you're gonna get ripped, and he'd be like, man,

773
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: you're doing great. Just hang in there, you know what

774
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, And he would also and look at

775
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: the same time, he's like, hey, we need to do

776
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: this better. But hey, you get like you're out there

777
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: for a reason, like we love you, we believe in you.

778
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: You can do it for us, you know, not maybe

779
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: not I love you, but you know, something closer to that.

780
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: And then when you're playing great, he'll rip you the shreds.

781
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: It's like, hang on a second, what do you mean

782
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: I'm I'm bawling out, coach, like why are you gone me?

783
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: Like stop? Like so, I think it's a way though,

784
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: to keep everybody even and to kind of feel even.

785
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to experience the highs and the lows.

786
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: He doesn't want you to be too high with the

787
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: highs or too low with the lows. If you're really

788
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: on cloud nine, he's going to bring you back down

789
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: to earth. And if you're not feeling so great about

790
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: where you're at, he's going to build up. And I

791
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: think you can always kind of tell with him in

792
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: his press conferences where the team is at, because if

793
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: he's really really happy and nice, maybe the team doesn't

794
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: feel great about themselves. If he's starting to get agitated,

795
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: maybe the team's a little too over confident. And you know,

796
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the way he doesn't. That's

797
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: why his team's so consistent, Dave, Like I mean, I

798
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: mean they've played in like three games since two thousand

799
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: and nine that didn't have a possibility of going to

800
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: the playoff for the national championship. Like I mean, there

801
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: haven't been many games that haven't had national championship or

802
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: playoff implications that he's been a part of. Because the

803
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: team is so consistent, you're gonna get predictable performance. They

804
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: might not always have their best stuff, but it's going

805
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: to be more predictable than most other places.

806
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm sorry I've kept you longer than I intended,

807
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: but I appreciate the time. But I do have to

808
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: ask about twenty twelve.

809
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: I did just read off the whole roster N Championship team,

810
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: So I'm my own worst enemy when it comes to time.

811
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: Well, I think what you were trying to do is

812
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: get off the phone before I brought up twenty twelve.

813
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: That was exactly what it I was trying to filibuster.

814
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: So glad that you were able to piece that together.

815
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: So, being your pal and wanting to support my pal,

816
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: I always try to watch when I can your games.

817
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: So I'm on the plane after doing Florida State BC

818
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to watch.

819
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, look at you just getting getting your

820
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: assignment And that was a huge rating last week, just

821
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: a ratings bonanza, and you go ahead and just shamelessly

822
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: promotes that was your game.

823
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: That's fine, Wait, which I didn't see. Did that? Did

824
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: that outrate the backyard brawl in your game?

825
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: It did, but I think Wolfly had a lot to

826
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: do with it. When he started the show and he

827
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: said all right, I said, I'm done with this show.

828
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: So I think Wolflely was our was our nemesis. There

829
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: in the in the rating category.

830
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: You're getting wolf back for twenty twelve. So anyway, I'm

831
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: trying to watch your game West Virginia Pitt and the

832
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: the TVs on on the flight keep going out. So

833
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting frustrated. Now I can't watch your game. I

834
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: can't watch any game. So I'm gonna watch a movie.

835
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: And so I start watching Field of Dreams. Do you

836
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: remember the scene.

837
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 3: Where you watch Field.

838
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: I've been watching Field of Dreams, like the last I

839
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: watched like ten minutes a night before I go to sleep,

840
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, right at the part where he picks

841
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: up he picks up James R.

842
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: Jones arch arch noeral Jones.

843
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: Already there, he picks up Archie. You know the doctor

844
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: guy perfectly comes back as a kid. So they just

845
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: picked him up last night and see what happens.

846
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so perfect. This is absolutely perfect. So you remember

847
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: the scene where they're at Fenway Park and on the

848
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: screen that only Kevin Coster and James Earl Jones can see,

849
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: it says Archibald Graham one yeah or Moonlight Graham. I

850
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: think it says one played appearance. No official at bats

851
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: and so he.

852
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: Played a half He played a half inning bats.

853
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: Come on, okay, So that made me think of your

854
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: NFL career one win, one win as an NFL quarterback.

855
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: And it happened to come against the Arizona Cardinals in

856
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: twenty two well, a game that, by the way, I

857
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: still feel bad about to this day because I was

858
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: ruthless to you on the broadcast. I felt so bad

859
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: that I confessed and played the tape for you many

860
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: years ago. But both Wolfley and I were ripping you,

861
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't have because he went out and played

862
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: great and won the game. What do you remember about

863
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I even I can't remember if Ken Wizen came up

864
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: to you last year because he was at a consultant

865
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: at Penn State. And I texted Whiz and I said,

866
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Speaker 1: if you see McElroy's doing the game, if you see him,

867
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: go up and tell him, hey, thanks for getting me

868
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: fired because of the twenty twelve I don't know if

869
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: he did it or not. But what do you remember

870
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: from that game? I mean not many core. How many

871
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: people in the world can say they won an NFL game?

872
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: And then you started the next week a month and

873
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: at football if I'm not mistaken, but tell me about

874
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals game in twenty twelve.

875
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, So I did not start the following week.

876
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: We played the Jaguars the following week, which have been

877
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: great place for me to start my first game in

878
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: said they put Mark back and all Jacksonville did was

879
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: run cover three and I would have tore him up

880
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: in like perfect weather. Uh. And then Mark started the

881
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: following week on Monday Night football and he turned over

882
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 2: five times and got the hook. And I just started

883
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: on a short week. The week after we get eliminated

884
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: from the playoffs against the San Diego Chargers, who literally,

885
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm watching the tape six weeks earlier, absolutely killed the

886
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: Big Ben. So I'm like, oh god, this is not good.

887
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: You know. So long story short. Against the Cardinals, Mark

888
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 2: had been struggling. I had had a really good year

889
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: running the scout team. Uh. And you know TiVo was

890
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: there too, but Tibo as as far as like the

891
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: down end, down out offense, I was operating it a

892
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: little better than him. So I started getting a couple

893
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: of reps, you know, two weeks earlier, and then a

894
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: week earlier, and then Mark had the butt fumble game

895
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving, which was, you know, a tough one and

896
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: we got killed by New England. Uh, so you know,

897
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: they basically come up there and and they say, hey,

898
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: we're we're gonna dress you this week and and you

899
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: know you're gonna be the two and and we'll just

900
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: be ready in case, you know, markets off to a

901
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: slow start, we'll get you in there. And sure enough,

902
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: slow start, I'm not sure doesn't justice. Both defense were

903
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: playing pretty well. We had a good defense. Y'all had

904
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: a pretty good defense. People don't like to remember that,

905
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: but the defense is actually pretty good. I mean, you

906
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: had Rashaw Johnathan, you had you know, Patrick Peterson. Like

907
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: it was a good group collectively if I.

908
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: Remember, yeah, darn Old Dock Carrie Rhodes, yep.

909
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah was on that team.

910
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: You really can't remember, Yeah he was.

911
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it wasn't a bad group. Y'all had a

912
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: pretty salty outfit. But y'all ran a lot of man coverage,

913
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: so we didn't have great wide receivers. I don't know.

914
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: I'm sure you remember Clyde Gates and Jeremy Curly and

915
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: uh and over the Hill, Gosh, Braylan Edwards, Jeff Jeff Cumberland.

916
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: So we didn't have a great outfit of wide receivers.

917
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: Chas Shilling's I'm sure you.

918
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: Don't remember him. I do.

919
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: Memory of an elephant. Anyways, it was a it was

920
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: not exactly a star study group, so I don't blame

921
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: him for playing a lot of man coverage. But Mark

922
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: was off the mark. It turned it over a couple

923
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: of times. They say, all right, Michroy, you're in there, male.

924
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: Third quarter, All of a sudden, I mean, the crowd

925
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: probably the first from the second quarter on is channing

926
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: McElroy for had to have been a quarter and Mark

927
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: gets the hook. I go in warm up a little bit,

928
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: and first drive as a pro and of the third

929
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: quarter I handed off, had a nice little run check

930
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: piece of cake out the right door, right down the field.

931
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, this is this is easy, you

932
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean? This ain't hard. Had a couple

933
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: of other plays that were pretty good. And then first

934
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: play of the fourth quarter, which is why this game

935
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: will go down as a fourth quarter comeback win. We

936
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: had third and goal at the one yard line or so,

937
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, man, let's run the boot like

938
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: they haven't seen it, like they're selling out against the run.

939
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: They don't think we'll throw it. The boot was wide,

940
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh but hit Jeff Cumberland and we take a seven

941
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: to six lead. Well pass forward. There was a couple

942
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: of plays that it was kind of back and forth

943
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: defensive battle. Like Rex is like, don't turn it over.

944
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: Whatever you do, don't turn it over. I don't care

945
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: what happened if if you keep doing what you're doing,

946
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna win this game because Ryan Lindley ain't gonna

947
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: beat us. I was like, yeah, I probably agree with that.

948
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: Long story short, basically, any drive the end of the

949
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: kick was a good drive by us. And then there

950
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: was a third down and six or so where we

951
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: could kind of put the game on ice, and I

952
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: knew we could kneel on it if we picked it up,

953
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: So I had Jeremy Curley working against Patrick Peterson hit

954
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: a little back shoulder to the right hand side and

955
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: and that kind of put the game on ice. We

956
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: kneeled on it a couple plays later and the red

957
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: zone and called it today. So it was it was

958
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: really a cool moment. I hate that it came against

959
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: your team, but it was a cool moment to you know, say,

960
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: I did it, you know, throw an NFL touchdown past

961
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: get an NFL game. I think at that point that

962
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: was probably all I really wanted to get from the NFL.

963
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: I wanted to get my pension, I wanted to play,

964
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: and I wanted to score touchdown. And if I did

965
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: those three things, I felt pretty good about my career.

966
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: And on that day I was able to accomplish you know,

967
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: two of the three. So it's pretty neat.

968
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you ended up, you know, staying in

969
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: the league for a couple more years, one with the Jets,

970
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: one with Cincinnati, and then off you were to television.

971
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: And here you are, still a young guy with uh,

972
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, the position you've got right now, man is

973
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: one of the voices and faces of college football probably

974
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: for the next thirty years. So things have worked out. Man, Listen,

975
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on, Bro. I know you've got

976
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: a lot going on with sports center, hips and game

977
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Speaker 1: prep for Florida State Clemson. There's a there's a plug

978
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Speaker 1: for your game ABC noon Eastern.

979
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Speaker 2: Oh wow on Saturday. But are you guys on Mountain

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Speaker 2: time or Western West Coast time right now?

981
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Speaker 3: Well?

982
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Speaker 1: Pacific? I mean it's always Mountain time. But yes, it's

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984
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985
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Speaker 2: hope everybody in the valley's checking it out. It will

986
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Speaker 2: be awesome. But I appreciate you, buddy. I love you,

987
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: and I know I wouldn't be where I'm at without

988
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Speaker 2: without your help and without your tutelage and your friendship.

989
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Speaker 2: So I love you very much. I'm proud of you.

990
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Speaker 2: And keep on keep on pushing the pashpod. I just

991
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Speaker 2: love the pash pot.

992
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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll take a retweet or a repost. They're

994
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Speaker 1: hard to get these days. We'll take one.

995
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Speaker 2: It's going to cost you, but we'll at least a

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine Camus or whatever the heck it

997
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Speaker 2: was that you opened.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, you whatever you stole out of your dad's stash

999
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Speaker 1: that you blamed on me. Yeah, that that I'll pay

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Speaker 1: you back.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. That sounds like a good plan.

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Speaker 3: All right, brother, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: See you, buddy.

1004
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Speaker 1: Great to catch up with Greg and a lot of things.

1005
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Speaker 1: The Dion Sanders Colorado story is fascinating. The fact that

1006
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 1: almost ten million people watch that game Colorado Colorado State

1007
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: this past week Colorado plays Oregon this week, usc next week.

1008
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Dion is the biggest story. Colorad to Football's the biggest story.

1009
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Speaker 1: It's incredible to see how many people are tuning in

1010
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Speaker 1: just to see what happens with a program that won

1011
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: one game last year. Also fun to talk about Greg's

1012
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 1: playing days with Alabama and then his one NFL win

1013
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Speaker 1: as a quarterback in twenty twelve against the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast