Speaker 1: I don't know Paige J'sorbo or the guy Craig that
Speaker 1: she dated or was engaged to maybe or maybe I
Speaker 1: made that up, or they were getting engaged.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They were this darling, cute little couple at the top
Speaker 1: of a wedding cake from the show's summer house that
Speaker 1: I only see through social media clips. But I guess
Speaker 1: she was dating someone. There was maybe overlap, not overlap,
Speaker 1: I don't care. They're young and beautiful and single and
Speaker 1: go with God. And now I guess he's on Ria.
Speaker 1: I could talk about Riyah forever, we could do, we
Speaker 1: could do such a deep dive on Rya. But now
Speaker 1: I guess he's single, as he should, and it seems
Speaker 1: like he's being a little more understated about discussing everything.
Speaker 1: And people are talking about her and who she's dating.
Speaker 1: So she's been trying to kill every bug in Manhattan
Speaker 1: and respond to it, which is how it's more clickbait
Speaker 1: and everyone's talking about it. But the part that jumps
Speaker 1: off the page about it to me is unfollowing each
Speaker 1: other on social media and unfollowing each other's friends, and like,
Speaker 1: remember it would be like Kylie and this one onfollowed Tristan,
Speaker 1: this one follows that one, this one un followed this one.
Speaker 1: Craig un follows Page, Craig on follows the two other
Speaker 1: people from the show talking about Page or aren't talking
Speaker 1: about him or taking sides, or Page unfollows this one. Like,
Speaker 1: I just think the celebrities unfollowing celebrities is ridiculous. Okay.
Speaker 2: One time.
Speaker 1: Jeff Lewis asked me on Andy Cohen's show, made a
Speaker 1: big deal about me unfollowing Kyle because one of the
Speaker 1: papers had made a big deal about me unfollowing Kyle.
Speaker 1: Now I believe I follow Kyle now on Instagram. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I do, and I don't know
Speaker 1: who else I follow, And this is gonna sound crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't live on Instagram a lot, like you guys know,
Speaker 1: if I'm on TikTok I follow you, or I would know,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't know if you unfollowed me. It's not
Speaker 1: the same language on TikTok as, Instagram or other places,
Speaker 1: but on Instagram that's like a calling card that it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. Why I don't look through enough. I don't
Speaker 1: remember the last time I saw a Kyle post and
Speaker 1: I don't look at people's stories and I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but Kyle and I are actually friendly. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to Aspen next week. I'm going to text her, so
Speaker 1: if I want to see Kyle and her daughters I
Speaker 1: could see them at the at the cheese shop and Aspen.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: It's called market or something meet market and Aspen. So like,
Speaker 1: people place too much value on this. And the reason
Speaker 1: I say this is that but literally, like my best
Speaker 1: friend Sarah is on Instagram, I never see her post.
Speaker 1: Somebody other friend, my friend Amy Callico, she's on Instagram,
Speaker 1: I never see her post. I think you have to
Speaker 1: like be on there enough scrolling through to see everybody's posts.
Speaker 1: And I think I follow a decent amount of people.
Speaker 1: It's completely arbitrary. I could follow some weirdo who talks
Speaker 1: about mushrooms and then like not follow my best friend
Speaker 1: because whoever I'm good friends with? Ah Tim Dillon just
Speaker 1: called We're close. I don't remember the last time I
Speaker 1: saw a post of his. So one post Who's talking
Speaker 1: about my relief work? Which maybe came up because you
Speaker 1: talking about my relief work. But other than that, I
Speaker 1: have no fucking idea so it's like not that relevant.
Speaker 1: And I bring this up because like Craig following page,
Speaker 1: he doesn't him unfollowing her becomes this big like press thing,
Speaker 1: like he unvolwed her, she unfollowed him, they unfollowed them.
Speaker 2: Just keep following her, O cares. Just don't watch it,
Speaker 2: just mute it.
Speaker 1: You don't have to look at it. But like, you
Speaker 1: don't need everyone to talk about your business. There are
Speaker 1: people that I've broken up with or dating. I date people,
Speaker 1: break up with them, I follow them. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: unfollow it doesn't matter. What does it fucking matter If
Speaker 1: I don't want to see their content, I don't have
Speaker 1: to see their content. And also some people don't post
Speaker 1: as much and I wouldn't see it anyway, So like
Speaker 1: it could be a control tactic where you just don't
Speaker 1: want it presented to you. But then I guess you
Speaker 1: could just mute them or quiet it down.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think people need to worry about
Speaker 1: who they're following and unfollowing. It doesn't mean that much.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't play so much weight on it. Just ignore it.
Speaker 1: If the goal is that you don't want to see
Speaker 1: their content, just don't see their content, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you block someone, if the people would know
Speaker 1: that you didn't follow them, I would imagine. I just
Speaker 1: think it's just a very stupid, juvenile, third grade practice.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking matter. So, by the way, whether I'm
Speaker 1: following Kyle or following my best friend Sarah not following them,
Speaker 1: whether I'm following someone I'm dating or sleeping with or
Speaker 1: in a relationship with, it doesn't mean anything. Because if
Speaker 1: I do it and I know you're going to report
Speaker 1: on it, I could manipulate the media.
Speaker 2: I could follow.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't fucking know some famous actor, so you
Speaker 1: think I'm with them, Like, I could do anything I want.
Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't have to mean anything. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to mean anything. I could be in love with someone,
Speaker 1: then I could hate someone. It doesn't mean I'm gonna
Speaker 1: unfollow them because I don't want you all to react
Speaker 1: to me on following them, So I'm just not gonna
Speaker 1: unfollow them. I have noticed this dynamic in people that
Speaker 1: makes me crazy, and I call the room of vacuum.
Speaker 2: I love. I love the concept of the room of vacuum.
Speaker 1: I love the room of vacuum, but I like it
Speaker 1: in a device for your home, not in a person.
Speaker 2: And what do I mean?
Speaker 1: And you could be this person, so please look inside
Speaker 1: if you're this person, I'm not this person.
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of room of vacuums. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do I mean?
Speaker 1: I mean people that don't really express themselves or express
Speaker 1: remorse or urgency. It happens a lot in business and
Speaker 1: in the workplace, like someone you basically said say to someone, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have to do this, and overall, I need you
Speaker 1: to be more responsive or I need you to help
Speaker 1: me with this, or I'm not being specific because it
Speaker 1: could be anything. And a person feels a little bit
Speaker 1: like a robot, like they kind of respond to what
Speaker 1: you're saying exactly what you're saying. They hit the wall,
Speaker 1: they go the other direction, and then they go in
Speaker 1: that direction. But you like, in order to be a
Speaker 1: fully functioning business person, you need to be able to
Speaker 1: look at the temperature of the room, look at the highway,
Speaker 1: look at the elements, look at what's going on. Meaning
Speaker 1: if you're in Aspen and your hair is particularly dry
Speaker 1: and it's flat, you're gonna adjust. If you're in Miami
Speaker 1: and it's frizzy. You're going to adjust. If you're in
Speaker 1: business and something happens just because someone told you to
Speaker 1: do something one way, you have to be able to
Speaker 1: understand that elements can change that. So there have been
Speaker 1: things in my business where I've said, all right, we
Speaker 1: need to be doing this because this is what's going
Speaker 1: on in society, and then someone goes in that one
Speaker 1: direction and starts doing that one thing, but then one
Speaker 1: other element pops up and you're like, wait, why'd you
Speaker 1: do that? They're like, well, you told me that we
Speaker 1: need to do this. I'm like, yes, I know, I
Speaker 1: know I did, but like we didn't expect this to happen.
Speaker 1: And it's the room of vacuum. And people that I
Speaker 1: work with, some of them know when I'm talking about
Speaker 1: I'm like, because he's a room of vacuum. A room
Speaker 1: of vacuum is someone that, like you've told one thing,
Speaker 1: they don't have the ability. They have blinders on. They're
Speaker 1: going in the direction you sent them in, but they don't.
Speaker 1: It's like Forrest Gump, like they just walk out the
Speaker 1: door one time and just keep running, which worked out
Speaker 1: a farst Gump, but it was just like he just
Speaker 1: ran until he couldn't run anymore, and like then when
Speaker 1: he hit the end of the country, he's stuffed.
Speaker 2: That's not what you want.
Speaker 1: In a creative or intelligent or successful business person. Someone
Speaker 1: has to be able to get in the car, but
Speaker 1: like get out if something's going wrong, stop and get
Speaker 1: gas if they hit the wall. Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to be a room a vacuum, meaning you have to
Speaker 1: not just take direction and only listen to the thing
Speaker 1: that someone just said. It could be anything. It could
Speaker 1: be a partner, It could be a relationship partner. It
Speaker 1: could be someone that a nanny, It could be a babysitter,
Speaker 1: it could be an assistant, it could be a business partner,
Speaker 1: an accountant. Like you could literally meet someone in a
Speaker 1: relationship and say like, well, right, because I want you know,
Speaker 1: I really want you to hear me or listen to me,
Speaker 1: or do this thing. I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 1: And then like you switch something and you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: why would you just do that? Like there was just
Speaker 1: an accident, why why didn't you? Why didn't you It
Speaker 1: could be anything pick up the keys as you left
Speaker 1: it because you told me never to pick.
Speaker 2: Up the keys. I'm like, right, but today there was
Speaker 2: a fire.
Speaker 1: You need to pick up the key, like it's the
Speaker 1: most arbitrary thing, and it doesn't matter what the thing is.
Speaker 1: But just know that it's not great to be a
Speaker 1: room of vacuum. And it's not great to have people
Speaker 1: that work with you or for you that are a
Speaker 1: room of vacuums, because you want them to be able
Speaker 1: to think for themselves. Otherwise they're just these robots that
Speaker 1: not until they hit the wall do they go in
Speaker 1: a different direction. I don't know if that makes any
Speaker 1: sense to you, but like I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: real world examples and I will I'll come up with
Speaker 1: other with room vacuum examples. It's just like if you
Speaker 1: tell your kids something about something they have to do
Speaker 1: every day to and from school, and then one day
Speaker 1: there's a fire at school, or the bus stops down,
Speaker 1: or something bad happens or there's an emergency and they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: but you told me, You're like right, I know I did,
Speaker 1: but today it was but except for this because something
Speaker 1: crazy happened. So anyway, that's the room of vacuum. So
Speaker 1: last night I ended up on Channel two thousand, seven
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six on my television in the city
Speaker 1: because that's where my television turned on. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are there a million channels? Are there
Speaker 1: infinite channels? How is there? How is there? Like what
Speaker 1: happened to us? I remembered? I feel like I remember
Speaker 1: horse drawn buggies, like I remember very clearly, two four seven,
Speaker 1: Later came five, eleven, nine, and thirteen, like it really
Speaker 1: was two far Like these were channels, and yes there
Speaker 1: was no DVR, and yes it was this crazy there
Speaker 1: was no satellite TV and all the things that happened later.
Speaker 1: But like, I guess it should be in definite because
Speaker 1: there can be infinite content. But I bring this up
Speaker 1: to you because I was on twenty seven hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty six yesterday and I landed on a show called
Speaker 1: Forged in Fire. Okay, Saturday Night Live could not make
Speaker 1: the show. Now, the show wasn't even a bad show, Like,
Speaker 1: and I'm giving the flowers to the people on the
Speaker 1: show because and I can't imagine what they're getting paid,
Speaker 1: because I know people on normal reality TV get paid
Speaker 1: and it's not a lot when they start out, So
Speaker 1: what are the people on Forged in Fire getting paid?
Speaker 1: These are like welders kind of they they're holding they're
Speaker 1: yielding swords, but inside.
Speaker 2: A two studio. Okay, Like I remember.
Speaker 1: When it was like deadliest Catch was the thing, and
Speaker 1: like and people was like, wait, now it's deadliest catch,
Speaker 1: and now it's about fish, and now it's about organizing,
Speaker 1: and now it's about decorating, and now it's about tiny homes,
Speaker 1: and now it's about tiny tiny people and tiny people
Speaker 1: and tiny homes and tiny people with other times like
Speaker 1: everything giant people, medium sized people, like overweight people, people
Speaker 1: that pick their couch, people that are hoarders, like people
Speaker 1: that have managed like infestation. I've seen shows about like
Speaker 1: it's gone crazy. But on two thousand, seven hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty six, it's a show called Forged in Fire and
Speaker 1: there's one girl because there aren't that many girls probably
Speaker 1: that are welders, and you know we have to have
Speaker 1: you know, e DEI in Welding on television. But like
Speaker 1: there are these different people holding swords. They're holding like
Speaker 1: machetes and they evil and we're gonna meet back at
Speaker 1: the anvil. And I guess the anvil is the creative
Speaker 1: way that these people in some boardroom decided to get
Speaker 1: back to the boardroom or the conference table or whatever,
Speaker 1: like The Apprentice years ago when I was on it started,
Speaker 1: But there are these people in these like aprons that
Speaker 1: look like they're blacksmiths, and I don't know how many
Speaker 1: other things they weld if they only work in like
Speaker 1: sharp instruments. I was watching it all of three minutes,
Speaker 1: but I guess people are competing and how they like
Speaker 1: sharpen their swords and machetes. I didn't get to find
Speaker 1: out where they're using these swords and machetes, Like are
Speaker 1: they in the jungle. They looked like civilians that had
Speaker 1: like prescription readers on, so I don't think they're actually
Speaker 1: like hunting buffalo. I don't know what's going on, but
Speaker 1: they're all they go back to the anvil, and then
Speaker 1: there's the host who's got the long hair and like
Speaker 1: is he a welder too? I don't know who he is,
Speaker 1: but he's like judging them, and it's like the knockoff
Speaker 1: of Chopped and Top Chef to a t, like okay,
Speaker 1: but first we have to come back and meet and
Speaker 1: like then you have the otfs, like the interviews where
Speaker 1: the individual welders, like the pressure is really intense, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it's every show from Cupcake Wars too, I
Speaker 1: have to beg the pressure of building making the wedding cake,
Speaker 1: or like we had all these ingredients in the middle
Speaker 1: of the table and we have to come up with
Speaker 1: this shit, or the kids are I was dying.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: There are people inside a studio with those like levery
Speaker 1: aprons and like sand blasting or like fire blazing, whatever
Speaker 1: you call it, like sand blasting or like fire torching,
Speaker 1: like swords and knives, and like what are they What
Speaker 1: are they competing for? How much money they going to win?
Speaker 1: What's the host getting paid? What's going on? Where is
Speaker 1: like the society and how did they cast these people?
Speaker 1: Like I don't I know a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the middle of the country because you know, we overgeneralize.
Speaker 1: I'm on a coast, so like we think we represent everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody thought like the show Seinfeld wouldn't do
Speaker 1: well because it was a Jewish coastal neurotic show, and
Speaker 1: yet it did do well across the country. So the
Speaker 1: country is not as big as we thought. But like,
Speaker 1: so let me just we often ignore, you know, the
Speaker 1: flyover States in the middle of the country, and the
Speaker 1: Bible Belt and the Christian the whole church tour, and
Speaker 1: then there's the Borsched Belt, the whole Jewish community in
Speaker 1: upstate New York A. Right, So it there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different people. But like in my travels, I've met
Speaker 1: a lot of people around the country, and I haven't
Speaker 1: met many people that are like blow torching fucking swords
Speaker 1: inside for that for the eventual super Bowl of Swords
Speaker 1: in at a studio, but like a tooth channel two thousand,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and eighty six, this is where this content lives.
Speaker 1: And I imagine if I go to the next channel,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a whole other thing. I didn't know,
Speaker 1: like people were like, you know, making things out of wax.
Speaker 1: And it's wonderful that there's something for everyone. It's actually
Speaker 1: really wonderful. I just don't know how far this goes.
Speaker 1: But but to my point that I'd made many other times,
Speaker 1: in many ways, TV is like a dinosaur because on
Speaker 1: social media you can have one person organizing tappaware and
Speaker 1: another person collecting buttons, and you can be on motorcycle
Speaker 1: talk and but I and I want to go into
Speaker 1: TikTok and start putting like blowtorch welders and into my TikTok,
Speaker 1: so I can see if I land on like sword
Speaker 1: yielding sand blowtorching, sand blasting talk. I thought like I
Speaker 1: was in the back of a prison and like the
Speaker 1: welder's room, but like very serious competition. I don't, no,
Speaker 1: they should do that in prisons. They should have reality
Speaker 1: shows in one portion of a prison where like wood
Speaker 1: shopping and welding.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I thought like monster trucks and inked and
Speaker 1: those type pimped my ride or like, yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: that shit was like niche and adjacent. Now we're into
Speaker 1: a whole fucking other abyss and and sphere of television
Speaker 1: and entertainment. Just wanted you to know. And I didn't
Speaker 1: go as high as I could go. I didn't bring
Speaker 1: my passport. I didn't like get my altitude medication. I
Speaker 1: just didn't know it would go that high. I guess
Speaker 1: it's like a colonic. I could go deep, hi, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just know that I just turned my television on
Speaker 1: and landed in some on some other fucking sword wielding planet.
Speaker 1: So that's my useless rant du Jour.
Speaker 2: Got back to the counter.
Speaker 1: Most got back to answer back to the conser.