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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. That's Giants done

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Speaker 2: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll all right,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Tuesday's Giants Little Podcast, our weekly hit with

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Speaker 2: Sean o'harrow. One of my favorite shows the week. It's

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Speaker 2: all brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of

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Speaker 2: the New York Giants. Sean, we got to talk after

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Speaker 2: a Giants victory. Didn't mean the Washington Commander's fourteen seven,

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Speaker 2: I know, big dub for the Giants, and they did

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Speaker 2: it with defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, phenomenal defense obviously coming into the game, just five

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Speaker 1: sacks on the entire season, and to get six sacks,

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Speaker 1: you know, look it was Washington and Sam Howell is

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Speaker 1: the most sacked quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: But we will take it.

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Speaker 2: H It was.

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Speaker 1: Pressure, you know, really we've always talked about edge pressure,

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Speaker 1: but there was good pressure.

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Speaker 3: Interior.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence dominated, oh man.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was eating Nick Gates lunch all day long,

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Speaker 3: and he does He's not scared.

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Speaker 1: He's not missed many meals, no doubt, but I know

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Speaker 1: that that was going to be a matchup that he

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Speaker 1: was looking forward to, and of course Nick was looking

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Speaker 1: forward to as well.

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Speaker 3: They know each other so well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Nick Kay's being a New York Giant for

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Speaker 1: so many years before going down to Washington. But you

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Speaker 1: know the interior defensive line. Both Leo got his first

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Speaker 1: sack of the season, I believe, and that was actually

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Speaker 1: Dexter took three guys with it was a TT twist,

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Speaker 1: So Dexter is over here. He twists in there on

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Speaker 1: he's the penetrator. At Leo looped around and there was

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Speaker 1: nobody there to block him. So defensively they did a

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Speaker 1: great job, I thought, even stopping the run like they

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Speaker 1: were very They're very dominant in that capacity, very physical.

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Speaker 3: Tate Banks got his first interception of the game.

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Speaker 1: Bobby o'caake another awesome performance back to back weeks with

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Speaker 1: eleven tackles. He was all over the field and they

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Speaker 1: tell you the guy that's kind of fowing under the radar,

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Speaker 1: Michael McFadden.

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Speaker 3: He just keeps showing up like they're.

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Speaker 1: Send him on Blitz that play where it should have

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Speaker 1: been a pick six keveon Thibodeau, the ball goes right

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Speaker 1: through his hands. I think he was already visualizing the

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Speaker 1: celebration before he caught it. But Michael McFadden was the

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Speaker 1: blitzer on that play. He was the one providing the pressure,

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Speaker 1: almost had the sack and forced that and throw. So

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Speaker 1: a great job on defense. Some things to clean up

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Speaker 1: on special teams, but offensively found the end zone.

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Speaker 3: That was huge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about all that. I want to stick

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Speaker 2: on the defense real quick. I thought they also had

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Speaker 2: three or four just unblocked pressures, a couple which turned

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Speaker 2: into sacks, one on the final defensive stand which Howell

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Speaker 2: managed to escape and almost got that pass for a

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Speaker 2: first down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, and he was like

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Speaker 1: I can see him after the play. He was like

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Speaker 1: hitting himself in the head, like, ah, he should have

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Speaker 1: had the sack. That should have been the game.

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Speaker 2: Right, there is lucky Howell threw up behind. I think

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Speaker 2: it was Kurt Sammy right, it was at dots and

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Speaker 2: headed towards us. Think it was of Samuel heading towards

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Speaker 2: the silent. But I though Wink did a good job

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Speaker 2: of scheming that stuff up. And I was amazed when

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Speaker 2: I watched back the tape on Monday morning. Eric Biennemy,

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Speaker 2: he kept calling these long downfield routes like It's not

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Speaker 2: like Sam Hall had all these checkdowns. He was giving up,

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Speaker 2: like he's getting pressure in his face and guys are

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Speaker 2: running twenty yard crossers deep in cuts and I'm sitting there.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Eric Biennemy, haven't you figured out that you

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Speaker 2: can't block these tides defensive line but yet? And they

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Speaker 2: can't figure out the blitz package. Stop calling downfield routes.

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Speaker 2: But the Giants benefit. Howell kept holding the ball and

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Speaker 2: the Giants kept getting home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't gonna correct the enemy.

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Speaker 1: We were happy that that he was going to have

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Speaker 1: him hold the hold on the ball as long as

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Speaker 1: he did. You know, you would have thought Johan Dotson

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Logan, he had he had a couple of big catches.

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Speaker 1: Actually he broke a couple of tackles, so you know,

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Speaker 1: things worked out from that capacity. But I think the

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Speaker 1: matchup that was really fun to watch was Tay Banks

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Speaker 1: good battle. I thought Tay Banks more than held his

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Speaker 1: that he can hang with the best yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: look there, like I think for every defensive player, like, look,

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Speaker 3: But I liked the competitiveness in him.

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Speaker 1: He went back down one one iota and you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at some of the receivers he's faced this

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Speaker 1: season already. You know, I think that's he's a bright

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Speaker 1: spot for the Giants going forward.

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Speaker 2: No, he's he did a really nice job. Absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: Let's jump to the offensive side of the ball. Not

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Speaker 2: just one first half touchdown shown, we got two. We

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Speaker 2: got two for the price of one. And the bottom line,

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Speaker 2: it was big plays. And the Giants had seven plays

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Speaker 2: of twenty or more yards, one of which was a

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Speaker 2: Tyrod tail of scramble. I don't believe Saque had a

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Speaker 2: twenty yard run, So I mean six passes of twenty

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Speaker 2: yards or more, three of which went for thirty or

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Speaker 2: more yards. That set up pretty much all their scores.

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Speaker 2: And Tyrod Taylor again showing great touch on passes down

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Speaker 2: the field and on plays by the way he was

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Speaker 2: able to get rid of the ball fairly quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like this was a good recipe for US.

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Speaker 1: Saquan has always had good games against Washington, He's kind

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Speaker 1: of got their number coming into the game. I think

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Speaker 1: he averaged five point eight yards per touch per carry

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Speaker 1: on the ground. And it was the legacy game, so

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Speaker 1: you know what, of course we bring back the explosive plays,

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Speaker 1: so that was a big part of it. I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at obviously getting Darren Waller involved, he

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Speaker 1: had a monster game, his best game as a Giant.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown.

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Speaker 3: That throw to Waller in the end zone was sick.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't really opening, he was kind of running behind

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Speaker 1: the linebacker and it was a perfect placement by Tyrod

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Speaker 1: Taylor and it was kind of our ball or nobody's ball,

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Speaker 1: and Waller as soon as he cleared the linebacker, he

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Speaker 1: knew he was getting the ball, like he kind of

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Speaker 1: that was great chemistry, get great connection, really good accuracy

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Speaker 1: by Tyrod, And then I thought Tyrod did a really

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Speaker 1: good job when there was pressure. He was decisive, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm running for the ball and I'm running

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Speaker 1: for a couple of yards. Even if he got three

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Speaker 1: to you know what, waiting in the pocket. And then

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Speaker 1: there's a sack, so he did a good job with that.

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Speaker 1: And then on the Saquon play, the thirty two yard

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Speaker 1: reception for the touchdown, that was ty Rod actually buying

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Speaker 1: time moving around with his legs but keeping his eyes

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Speaker 1: downfield seeing Saquon kind of break open from the linebacker.

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Speaker 1: So those were obviously some really big plays. And then

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Speaker 1: I thought we talked about it earlier. The throws up

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Speaker 1: the sideline, like Tyrod's toros outside the numbers for two

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Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Now he's been money, like he's

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Speaker 1: dropping him in the bread basket. And I think as receivers,

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Speaker 1: that's what you love. You know, when a guy's going

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Speaker 1: to give you a chance to make a good catch,

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Speaker 1: that gives you a lot of confidence. So definitely, it

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Speaker 1: was very nice to see the explosive plays. I really

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Speaker 1: think the defense fed off of that too, and you

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Speaker 1: could see they had a little more vigor, They had

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Speaker 1: a little more energy when the offense started moving the ball.

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Speaker 2: some maybe heat is the wrong word, but I'll use

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Speaker 2: it here to the Giants wide receiver Sean not making

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Speaker 2: those plays above the x's and o's and making a

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Speaker 2: lot of yards after catch. Well, you had three short

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Speaker 2: passes in this game. One to one the Rominson that

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Speaker 2: was simple throwing the flat that turned into a twenty

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Speaker 2: yard game. There was a short sholler across the Darren

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Speaker 2: Waller and that turned into a twenty yard game. Then

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Speaker 2: he had the little the pass you mentioned They're ready

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Speaker 2: to Barkley, which is just a little pass to the flat.

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Speaker 2: He breaks the tackle, turns it out field for thirty yards.

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Speaker 2: So while Tyrod deserves all the credit he gets for

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Speaker 2: those passes down the field, the receivers made the most

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Speaker 2: of a couple of a simple short passes too that

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Speaker 3: I think the key with short passes is accuracy.

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Speaker 2: Got to get him on the move, right, Yeah, if.

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Speaker 1: You ate him in stride, now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: they don't have to slow down at all, and now

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Speaker 1: they can break those tackles.

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Speaker 3: So excuse me. The timing is big, but the accuracy

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Speaker 3: might even be more important.

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Speaker 1: So I thought ty Rod did a really good job

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Speaker 1: with that, and Jalen Hyatt made some unbelievable catches and

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Speaker 1: he almost had that one handed touchdown catch like that

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Speaker 1: would have been very odell, like that one hander in

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Speaker 1: the end zone.

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Speaker 3: I thought, he pro you.

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Speaker 2: Think his arm is getting pinned? Do you think he

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Speaker 2: just was trying to fend them off with one and

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Speaker 2: then grab it. I couldn't tell the replay.

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Speaker 1: I think there might have been some grabbing going on,

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Speaker 1: but he kind of corralled the ball into him and

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Speaker 1: then it hit the shoulder pad of the defender and

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Speaker 1: that kind of knocked it out.

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Speaker 3: But it was onst That was almost a sick catch.

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Speaker 2: And then he did a good job of breaking up

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Speaker 2: a potential pick on the other one down the left

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Speaker 1: He had to play defense since we're giving the receiver

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Speaker 1: some love to you know, I know you were probably

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Speaker 1: gonna get to it.

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Speaker 3: But the offensive line go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't great, but they were certainly good enough.

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Speaker 2: And Yeah, there was one play that Darren Waller which

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Speaker 2: really stood out to me. Sean he caught him in

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Speaker 2: Cover one. On most cover one place he was just

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Speaker 2: kind of going deep highot quick down the sideline right,

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Speaker 2: but he was It was a max protect two tight

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Speaker 2: action stayed in two. But as we've seen the first

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Speaker 2: five or six weeks, that hasn't necessarily meant that nobody's

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Speaker 2: getting to the quarterback. But it held up. And that

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Speaker 2: was that deep cross from Waller that went for thirty yards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they did a really nice job. I

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Speaker 1: The thing that jumps out right away obviously the pressure

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Speaker 1: You know, I think this defense is so physical upfront.

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Speaker 1: Mosley has been on fire. He's a tackling machine. That

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Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be important again, Sean like this

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Speaker 2: Right? Then the Jets offense this is gonna come down

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Speaker 2: playing man dropping guys, bringing secondary guys. That type of

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Speaker 3: I fully expect Wink to bring that heat early.

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Speaker 1: On because you know, it's you kind of want to

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Speaker 2: Test him early young cender too, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you look at that whole protection aspect

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Speaker 1: It's like, all right, we're running that again until they

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Speaker 1: put that fire out. So I think for Zach, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's no, we want to put that fire out. We

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Speaker 1: want to get to get after him and hit him,

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Speaker 1: and that's when the turnovers start to really show up.

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Speaker 2: Sorr, I thought they had tip mind accept he's actually

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Speaker 2: been in garthd Yes, so kind of the governor has

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Speaker 2: been an centive. He's obviously done this for a while.

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Speaker 2: So but again, just final final question, taking back to

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Speaker 2: your memories of your Giants Jets rivalry games. What is

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Speaker 2: it like preseason I'm throwing those out regular season Giants Jets,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Jacobs, Rex Ryan Brawls. Take you back to your

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Speaker 2: favorite Giants Jets memories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, It's funny you bring up Brandon Jacobs and

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Speaker 1: I think he called Rex fat fat boy or something.

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Speaker 3: So that was that was interesting banter.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think being in the area here, like I was

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Speaker 1: know some of the guys to Brickshaw Ferguson, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we never there was never animosity between the Jets and

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Speaker 1: share a home. We're kind of like step brothers, Like

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Speaker 1: you know, you want to see them do well, but

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Speaker 1: also when you're playing against each other, it's like you

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Speaker 1: want to you know, you want to choke him out

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Speaker 1: a little bit, like you want to show him whose boss.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's definitely some of that. I always

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Speaker 3: kind of go back to, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, like when bart Scott was there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they had some always had some physical defensive players, like

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Speaker 1: we knew when we're playing the Jets, like all right,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be you know, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: long day. I mean there was you know, you go

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Speaker 1: all the way back and I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: the defensive ends name that is this gave me John

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Speaker 1: Abram Hugh Douglas was a big part of that, but

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Speaker 1: John Abraham was there. Like they always had good pass rushers.

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Speaker 1: That was always the key. So we knew as an

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Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, we've got to work cut out

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Speaker 1: for us. And then of course when they signed Chris

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Speaker 1: Jenkins that was that was a beast of a move

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Speaker 1: for us. So definitely some some good battles, some good memories.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't help but think about the the

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Speaker 1: play that Victor Cruz made, you know, I think it

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Speaker 1: was down on the three or four yard line and

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Speaker 1: he jukes Camarti and then outruns. You know, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think of who the safety was that he outrun

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Speaker 1: for that that big touchdown and that basically vaulted the

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Speaker 1: Giants season that year.

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking forward to the Remember we saw Sauce

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Speaker 2: Gardner Jalen Hyad have that one one on one of

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Speaker 2: the preseason game or I tried to beat him deep.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if we're gonna have that matchup

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Speaker 2: in this game. That could be fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little a little Hyatt Sauce, I like it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Sean good stuff on man. Thanks Sean O'Hara. Giants

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