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Speaker 1: From iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I Am fab five Freddy and this this fifty years

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Speaker 2: of Hip Hop podcast series. You know, I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: about this show because a lot of people ask me

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Speaker 2: things like, you know, who's your favorite rapper? And you know,

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Speaker 2: and I realized a lot of the people that asked

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Speaker 2: me these questions they may not be old enough or

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Speaker 2: they weren't around long enough to really understand the foundational,

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Speaker 2: deep roots of hip hop music culture. And I like

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Speaker 2: to remind y'all as we are celebrating the fiftieth anniversary

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Speaker 2: of this culture, this is the most dominant and pervasive

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Speaker 2: music culture on the planet and that still amazes the

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Speaker 2: hell out of me. Now this episode here, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get deep into one of the core elements, masters of ceremony,

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Speaker 2: the MC, the rapper, what is that all about?

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna have some of the.

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Speaker 2: Best go deep, break it all the way down to

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Speaker 2: the molecular components of this, so to speak. And it's

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Speaker 2: really interesting and enlightening for me because there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of agreement across these various artists about who's who and

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Speaker 2: what's what. This is really a good one, y'all. Fasten

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Speaker 2: your seatbelt, get your notes out. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: This is hip hop one oh one.

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Speaker 2: This is the advanced course all the way up to

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Speaker 2: the PhD level. So back in the beginning, there was

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Speaker 2: the DJ. As we've laid this out in the previous episodes,

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Speaker 2: this is the cat that owned the equipment, the speakers,

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Speaker 2: the amplifiers, the turntables, the crates of vinyl records are

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Speaker 2: most importantly with all the most important music and the

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Speaker 2: skills to mix up a dynamic blend, mixing, cut and

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Speaker 2: scratching to make.

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Speaker 3: The people move, groove, throw their hands in the air

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Speaker 3: and wave them like you just don't care.

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Speaker 2: The DJ sidekick bigging up that DJ's skills and his

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Speaker 2: greatness was the rapper. Now, in the beginning, the rapper

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Speaker 2: aka to MC master ceremonies, he'd mostly pick up his DJ,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe make the crowd throw their hands in

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Speaker 2: the air a little bit, make an occasional announcement about

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Speaker 2: when and where the next party was happening, and also

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Speaker 2: telling folks out there somebody might have a car double

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Speaker 2: parked outside the party to go and move your car.

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Speaker 2: As this progressed, this is seventies, y'all. The DJ's MC

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Speaker 2: this is all going down in the Boogie Down Bronx,

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Speaker 2: one of New York City's five Burroughs, the DJ's MC.

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Speaker 2: He began to drop some little simple raps and nursery

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Speaker 2: rhymes early on to get the crowd going. And one

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Speaker 2: of these early rhymes just came to me and I

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Speaker 2: remember the first time I heard this, everybody thought this

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Speaker 2: was the coolest thing. This is an example of how

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Speaker 2: this rapping thing started. Here was this rhyme. I remember

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Speaker 2: when I die, bury me deep, plant two turntables at

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Speaker 2: my feet, put the mix near my head so when

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Speaker 2: you close the casket, I can rock the debt.

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Speaker 3: That tore the crowd up.

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Speaker 2: And early MC, early rappers had a string of these

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Speaker 2: little things that they would throw together and it was incredible.

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Speaker 2: You know, they would drop this during a little instrumental

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Speaker 2: break of the most popular records at that point in

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Speaker 2: time at a party. But this nursery rap thing, nursery

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Speaker 2: rhymes that kind of flavor. It got a lot more involved,

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Speaker 2: intricate and complex. Then it began to turn into braggadocious narratives,

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Speaker 2: superhero street type player, the biggest hustler. You know, you

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Speaker 2: could fantasize about all these things that you wanted to do,

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Speaker 2: wanted to be, wanted to see, and put that in

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Speaker 2: your wraps. And this was how it began to grow.

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Speaker 2: The next guy, the next guy, and the next girl

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Speaker 2: heard it. Let me add something to it and take

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Speaker 2: it to the next level. This is a key important

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Speaker 2: component the foundation of hip hop culture and the development

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Speaker 2: off a school learning how to read.

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Speaker 3: You know those little books.

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Speaker 2: You know, Tom Jane Dick, you know the real simple,

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Speaker 2: real simple sentences, simple story structure. But that was the

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Speaker 2: foundation that began to develop and turn and literally take

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Speaker 2: this thing to a Pulleter Prize winning level. Narratives on

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Speaker 2: a level of the greatest writers in history. That's right,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it, the greatest writers in history. Within

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Speaker 2: this hip hop thing. There are those that have hit

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Speaker 2: those peaks and this is still going on to this day,

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Speaker 2: that's right. And by the way, Kendrick Lamar did win

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Speaker 2: a Pulletzer Prize. And this is all leading us to

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Speaker 2: today once again where hip hop is the world's most

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Speaker 2: listened to and dominant form of music. Now's something that

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Speaker 2: hip hop culture does on the slang side is take words.

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Speaker 3: And kind of do a remix on them.

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Speaker 2: The remixes all through the culture, from what we do

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Speaker 2: to records or what has been done in different records,

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Speaker 2: to what's done to different words. There's an evolution going

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Speaker 2: on different meanings and expansion of meanings, a denotative dissection breakdown,

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Speaker 2: if you will, of language, and hip hop has done

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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot to that, and once again

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Speaker 4: Go, pious man in town.

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Speaker 5: The definition of the MC has been changed over the years,

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Speaker 5: the same way the definition of freestyle has been changed

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Speaker 5: over the years. So it's like a dictionary. When you

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Speaker 5: look at the dictionary, there's words and used to mean something,

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Speaker 5: and those words have become archaic, which means that they

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Speaker 5: don't exist anymore. We don't use those words. When you

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Speaker 5: read in the Old Testament it was written in Old English.

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Speaker 5: You don't talk like that no more. Nobody walks around

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Speaker 5: talking like that. If you look at slang words, we

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Speaker 5: would say chill, we would say, yo, that's the joint.

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Speaker 5: The Bunkie forour made a song called That's the Joint.

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Speaker 5: But now we don't say that's the joint no more.

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Speaker 5: Cats might say yo, that's crack. Or if somebody is

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Speaker 5: saying something is any no cat no cat. You know,

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Speaker 5: all slang is ever changing, that it's evolving. So when

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Speaker 5: you look at the definition of the MC, I come

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Speaker 5: from the first generation of hip hop. So the definition

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Speaker 5: of the MC is the master of ceremony, which means

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Speaker 5: he had to do more than just rhyme. He had

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Speaker 5: to be able to know how to command the crowd

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Speaker 5: at also rhyme at the same time. And Mellie mel

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Speaker 5: might be the god who was the was the inventor

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Speaker 5: of that phrase, the MC, because I never heard it

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Speaker 5: mules before him. So based on my learning and my

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Speaker 5: teaching of the first generation, the MC is the master

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Speaker 5: of ceremony, and he does more than just rot. If

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Speaker 5: you look at Mellie Mel, or you look at Cowboy

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Speaker 5: or the four or you study Grandmaster Flash and the

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Speaker 5: Furious Box Cowboy. At the end of his record, he said,

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Speaker 5: now clap your hands due prepare to go. I'm a

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Speaker 5: victim of circumstpt because Eric the br Bruh, the Bread

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Speaker 5: to the butter go when everybody rock wanted up like

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Speaker 5: he's Roman to clap to a soul clapp and then

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Speaker 5: he said say ho, and then he's calling response crowd participation,

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Speaker 5: which is a whole other subject. Call and response has

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Speaker 5: become archaic and only very few i'm the understanding the

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Speaker 5: true mastery of cloud participation. Yes, Jo, I've been fortunate

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Speaker 5: enough because I learned from some of the architects. But

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Speaker 5: that piece with being able to talk to an audience

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Speaker 5: and at the same time, why is the true meaning

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Speaker 5: of an.

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Speaker 2: S Daddy O rapper, producer, deep thinker and founding member

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Speaker 2: of classic Brooklyn rap group Stets of Sonic.

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Speaker 6: So I think in the very beginning, I think it's different, right,

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Speaker 6: I think a little. It's interesting because in the very beginning,

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Speaker 6: the MC was what the MC was at the Apollo,

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Speaker 6: or what the MC was at any of the bigger

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Speaker 6: clubs in New York City, what the MC was at

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Speaker 6: the Garden, right, which was the master ceremony, was basically

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Speaker 6: a hoast right, but it was a little more than

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Speaker 6: a host because that person had a little more flair

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Speaker 6: than just a regular host. They they might even be

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Speaker 6: a performer and they're hosting. What went on down the

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Speaker 6: line we became rhymers, and the very beginning, guys like

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Speaker 6: Hollywood was not really a rhymer. There was rhyme's and

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Speaker 6: what he did, but that he wasn't really a rhyme.

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Speaker 6: The real story is slashes DJ and a party. He

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Speaker 6: puts the mic down, Keith Cowboy picks up the mic

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Speaker 6: and the rest is history. And that's our legacy, our legacy.

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Speaker 6: Anybody from Daddio to Kendrick Lamar is from Calboy because

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Speaker 6: Cowboy is the one that really started doing those rhymes

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Speaker 6: see the Hollywood and was doing that.

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Speaker 5: Food tag thing.

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Speaker 6: I want to go let that's not.

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Speaker 3: What he was doing.

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Speaker 6: He was a former army guy, so he got on

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Speaker 6: the mic and did hib hap the hibbit the hawk,

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Speaker 6: you know, and he started rhyming.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: So the MC kind of evolved from just a host

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Speaker 6: or a flamboyant host, an energetic hoast to a guy

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Speaker 6: that actually rhymed. And then I love I love rock

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Speaker 6: Kim's description because he said, MC to me means to

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Speaker 6: move the crowd.

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Speaker 7: No mistakes allowed, custom me and see and Me's moved

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Speaker 7: the crowd, crowd, crowd.

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Speaker 8: I like that.

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Speaker 6: I'm like that a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question about the contribution that the Great

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Speaker 2: Rock Kim has made to the culture. Fascinating to hear

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Speaker 2: Daddy O's recollections, and it's important to understand what rock

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Speaker 2: Kim really brought to the table. A sense of cool,

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Speaker 2: conscious embodied street hustler, and most importantly, a passionate poetic

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Speaker 2: flavor that everybody picked up on right away. Elevated the game.

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Speaker 8: To the next level.

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Speaker 2: Fat Joe recording artists, Bronx hip hop legend and author.

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Speaker 9: This is crazy, right, because when I was coming up,

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Speaker 9: there was a disparity between an EMBc.

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Speaker 3: And a rapper.

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Speaker 9: Now it pretty much turned into the same thing. But

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Speaker 9: then MC has always been a master of ceremony. It's

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Speaker 9: always been a person that can rock the crowd, whether

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Speaker 9: it's through lyrics and rhymes or it's do let me

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Speaker 9: he say, oh you know you have physy beat. He

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Speaker 9: wasn't known as the greatest lyricist rapper. He was known

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Speaker 9: as an m secause he was the master ceremony.

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Speaker 3: I want everybody from Avenue d to me, fam I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying died, he died, He died, y'all.

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Speaker 3: You you ever been to a party?

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Speaker 9: You know that's how calent started, and that's how my man,

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Speaker 9: pretty you guy, you know you ever noticed this People

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Speaker 9: who come to parties and you could be playing the same,

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Speaker 9: but it ain't the same.

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Speaker 3: And when this person grabs the mic, he just uplifts.

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Speaker 2: It's the gospel, fascinating, the hair, Fat Joe reference, his

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Speaker 2: good friend DJ Khaled, and amazing to think about what

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Speaker 2: this brother has achieved, what this Palestinian brother has made happen.

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Speaker 2: You know a hip hop DJ mixtape maker who's turned

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Speaker 2: herself into one of the greatest hypemen slash producers of

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Speaker 2: all time. Okay, he closed out the Grammy performance this year,

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Speaker 2: which of course was a salute to the fifty years

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Speaker 2: of hip hop, but a pretty telling occurrence, putting the

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Speaker 2: DJ back in the forefront, but in a new form

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Speaker 2: and fashion. Iced Tea at the rapper West Coast hip

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Speaker 2: hop pioneer.

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Speaker 10: A rapper can rap like a lot of rappers can rap,

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Speaker 10: me make on the studio. They could bust bars. They

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Speaker 10: could stand in the cipher and bust bars. And MC

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Speaker 10: controls the crowd so and MC knows how the host

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Speaker 10: and MC can talk between the records. MC can stop

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Speaker 10: the music and keep the audience engaged with this conversation

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Speaker 10: and then go back into a rap, so he has

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Speaker 10: total control of the stage. A lot of rappers. If

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Speaker 10: when you're a master MC like Kine is somebody like that,

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Speaker 10: Lot of cat It's kind of like to me, it's

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Speaker 3: We music journalists and.

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Speaker 4: The hip hop says, a MC has always been not

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Speaker 4: You're also able to vibe with your DJ or if

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Speaker 2: Kid could pree Grammy Award winning DJ and producer, a.

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Speaker 6: Master of the ceremony, somebody that could paint a picture

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Speaker 6: Biggie was a real MC. Why because he could paint

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Speaker 6: the picture. When he ronmed, you could see what he's saying. Krs,

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Speaker 6: there's certain them scenes that they don't need to make

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Speaker 2: Master as rapper record producer.

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Speaker 7: To me, and master's ceremony is the person who gets

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Speaker 7: And also to highlight the DJ, the guy that's playing

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Speaker 7: And that's where things shifted in terms of today's culture.

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Speaker 7: The master ceremony is the guy with the mic in

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Speaker 7: a mc LL.

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Speaker 2: Cool jet actor, rapper entrepreneur considered one of the best

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Speaker 6: I just think it's an ultimate form of self expression.

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Speaker 6: It's a way to uh explore your inner power. It's

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Speaker 6: connect with other people because specificity is universal. So it's

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Speaker 6: like to me, the MC is confidence, his bravado, his

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Speaker 3: I set you free.

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Speaker 6: When I step on a stage and you lock in

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Speaker 6: And that to me is like performing a service, like

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Speaker 6: that's my job. That's what I was born to do.

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Speaker 8: Daddy O.

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Speaker 6: What it takes to be a skill for MC, I

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Speaker 6: will say, first, it's studied, but I also have to

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Speaker 8: I do believe that.

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Speaker 6: Some people are just solidly born with that town I

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Speaker 6: work with Biggie. I believe he was solidly born with

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Speaker 10: We have to learn.

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Speaker 6: So that's what I say. For the most part, what

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Speaker 6: it takes to be a talent to MC is to study.

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Speaker 6: Because if you think about guys like Black Thought, you

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Speaker 3: Fat Joe. To be a true FC, you gotta write

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Speaker 9: Now have I come to accept like you know Kanye

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Speaker 9: West one of my favorite rappers. He don't write all

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Speaker 3: I've come to ben new rules as we got older.

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Speaker 9: Growing up, it was like, you write graffiti, you better

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Speaker 9: go steal the spray paint, because if your moms give

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Speaker 3: And you don't write your own, it ain't valid. You know.

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Speaker 9: That's how I grew up in the hip hop, that diversity.

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Speaker 9: You know, I love you know. My favorite hip hop

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Speaker 9: record of all time is Vapors by biz Markie Rest

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Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying that. Then when I started

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Speaker 9: getting a couple of dollars hustling, and I got in

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Speaker 9: ride through the same block, past the same moth, slow.

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Speaker 3: Motion pumping the vapors. They caught the Vapors.

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Speaker 9: But now what we say biz Marquis is as lyrical

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Speaker 3: But Rock Kim was coming.

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Speaker 9: Up with consciousness and never even cursed right then you

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Speaker 3: They were like insane.

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Speaker 9: Once upon a time, not long ago, when people around

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Speaker 9: There was a little roy who was thinking about he

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Speaker 3: And then you had kidding Blake dancing the nice guys

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Speaker 11: Then you had Latifa talking about who you calling the bitch.

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Speaker 11: Then you had em c Light Light is a rock,

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Speaker 11: Heavy deep made me to this day when I just flied.

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Speaker 11: I'm still trying to battle heavy deep heavy deeds the flies,

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Speaker 3: Ever.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's important to point out that everybody here

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Speaker 2: this is a really important factor here, because you know

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Speaker 2: there's people that go out and sell tens of millions

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Speaker 2: What it's all about the skill factor and the command

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean ra Kim said it the best, and

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Speaker 6: Only think of like the live show first.

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Speaker 7: I think that the greats who could just get on

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Speaker 7: just shake a hold of arena. Like I gotta give

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Speaker 7: it to Douggie fresh Man. Like you know, Doug is

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Speaker 7: I've seen him do on YouTube.

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Speaker 6: You can look at it. He's at a Scientology convention

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Speaker 6: I seen him do a crowd with just like young Cats.

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Speaker 6: it to my brother Buster just the Connegie Hall. He's

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Speaker 6: gonna kill any stage she gets on him. Star, DJ

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Speaker 6: a master when he get on that stage. So when

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Speaker 6: I think of MC, the first thing I do I

438
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Speaker 6: think about just the live aspect, and that even goes

439
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Speaker 6: back to the origin of hip hop because you know,

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Speaker 6: most scenes, I would say, all them sees before they

441
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 6: made records, they was doing it live. You know, they was,

442
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Speaker 6: they was insighther us. They was you know, even if

443
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Speaker 6: they wasn't insphers, they was rappers for their friends at

444
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 6: the crib or on the block. So it's always that

445
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Speaker 6: live ass first and then when I think about it,

446
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Speaker 6: sees this is my thing. But when I think at MC,

447
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 6: I don't think about just live. I also think about

448
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Speaker 6: mastery of the craft, and I think I call the

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Speaker 6: MC somebody who's mastered the craft.

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Speaker 2: Peter Guns hip hop artists and Bronx representative.

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Speaker 12: I like a well rounded MC, somebody that got skills.

452
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Speaker 12: I'll come from the era of skills, patterns, a storyteller,

453
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Speaker 12: a performer, so bars, storytelling, and there's a little bit

454
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Speaker 12: of a swag toward the it factor that you had.

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Speaker 12: Slick Rick, for me, was one of the guys that

456
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Speaker 12: had that it factor when it came to storytelling and

457
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Speaker 12: bars and his voice and everything. Big Daddy Kane was

458
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Speaker 12: lyrical but also a hell of a performer. Dougie Fresh

459
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Speaker 12: hell of he performer, So there's different levels of that,

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Speaker 12: but lyrically rock chain with nothing to play with, he

461
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 12: wasn't gonna give you much more than those bars.

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Speaker 6: Avar in rapping hip hop is a unit of measurement

463
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Speaker 6: that means for crotchets or four single beats, word of lyrics.

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Speaker 12: So there's just different levels.

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Speaker 3: So you know, LL cool J.

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Speaker 12: The girls loved them. He could rap for the girls,

467
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Speaker 12: but the streets love him too because he can get

468
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Speaker 12: grimmy and go at with whoever won it. So I

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Speaker 12: was a huge ll fan man, he kept alive a

470
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Speaker 12: long time.

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Speaker 6: Daddy Oh, It's difficult for me to say the most skillful.

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Speaker 6: I think Black Thought fits in that category. I think

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Speaker 6: jay Z fits in that category. If I'm gonna say skillful,

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Speaker 6: I think Naz fits in that category of skillful.

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Speaker 8: Definitely.

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Speaker 6: J Cole fits in the category of skillful. Definitely, Andre

477
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Speaker 6: thine thousand fits in the category of skillful. Right now,

478
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Speaker 6: a guy like Locksmith fits in the category of skillful,

479
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Speaker 6: defits in the category of skillful. If you want to

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Speaker 6: just talk about skillful, MC's guys that take them worse

481
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Speaker 6: bust the Rhymes fits in the category skillful. Guys who

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Speaker 6: take them words and flip it. I mean they do

483
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Speaker 6: them things with them words. It's them and then pretty

484
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Speaker 6: much seventy percent of the battle raps. I mean I

485
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Speaker 6: learned the new Daddy Oh, learned from the battle rap.

486
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Speaker 6: I mean I could not do what I do right

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Speaker 6: now if it wasn't for battle Rap, because I saw

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Speaker 6: them do things with words that I never thought we

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Speaker 6: were able to do because I'm so used to that

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Speaker 6: regular four to fourth pattern. Yes, I'm making sense with it,

491
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Speaker 6: but I'm also I saw them do some things and

492
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Speaker 6: I'm not fool. Wait a minute, I could do that,

493
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Speaker 6: and I start writing lines like Conrad Murray a case

494
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Speaker 6: because I killed Mike. I never did nothing like that before.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. What after I saw that?

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Speaker 6: So I would say the guys I mentioned, but seventy

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Speaker 6: percent of battle rappers fall into category is skillful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with my man Daddy Yo for

499
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Speaker 2: bringing up battle rappers. Oh my goodness, such an important

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Speaker 2: part of the hip hop game. And I mean it's

501
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: not about songs, but those that mastered the art of

502
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Speaker 2: that verbal wordplay. And I want to give a special

503
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Speaker 2: shout out to the kids that helped really accelerate the

504
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: battle rap game. Smack who started out with Smack DVD

505
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: early two thousands with those incredible battles his partner Beasley.

506
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Speaker 2: Those dudes created a rap battle league, and there's a

507
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Speaker 2: half a dozen other leagues around the country and also

508
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Speaker 2: around the world where people compete and spit.

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Speaker 8: Those words in the most incredible way.

510
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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, so many great battle rappers out there that

511
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: once again have amazing power with those words, making them rhyme,

512
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: telling the stories, doing all that good. Yes, Indeed, my

513
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Speaker 2: man Daddy Yell shahm reed, music journalists.

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Speaker 4: My illness, rappers may embody certain things. But I would

515
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Speaker 4: have the top person I would have to give it

516
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Speaker 4: to is Black Thought, because I've spent the better half

517
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Speaker 4: of twenty five years. Like, for example, one of my

518
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Speaker 4: best closest friends is Comal in the room, So I've

519
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: spent the better half of twenty five years witnessing Black Thought. Like,

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Speaker 4: I don't have record references or anything like that. I've

521
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: seen this man freestyle for like two hours straight and

522
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: you would think it was a record or it was

523
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Speaker 4: something he memorized. I've seen his like, he's probably the

524
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Speaker 4: most incredible rapper I've ever seen in his pure element.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't count making records as an element

526
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Speaker 4: like that, right, those are like those are controlled environment.

527
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the equivalent of a tiger. For example,

528
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Speaker 4: a tiger at the circus is doing nothing but jumping

529
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Speaker 4: through whoops, that's a record. A tiger in the wild

530
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: is spazzing the hell out at all costs at all times.

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Speaker 4: That's who Thought is to me.

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Speaker 3: That was well stated.

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Speaker 8: Shahem.

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Speaker 2: You know when you take it out of the controlled

535
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Speaker 2: environment of you know, working with producers and beats and

536
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Speaker 2: you know, making records and studios, y, that's.

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Speaker 8: A different thing, an important thing, but a different.

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Speaker 3: Part of the hip hop game.

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Speaker 2: But like a tiger in a while, I want to agree,

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Speaker 2: Black Thought without questions one of the best that ever

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Speaker 2: did it.

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Speaker 8: I've been a big fan forever. Yeah, Black thoughts to

543
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Speaker 8: wrap her from the roots.

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Speaker 2: About five years ago, he dropped a ten minute freestyle.

545
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Speaker 3: Of Jess verbal perfection unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Just go to after this episode hit YouTube search Black

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Speaker 2: Thought funk Flex. He dropped amazing just when on and

548
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Speaker 2: on till you break the dawn at the height of

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Speaker 2: what it's all about.

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Speaker 8: Yes, indeed, totally agree with you on that one.

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Speaker 3: Baby.

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Speaker 4: Then I've seen other, like other incredible things like for

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Speaker 4: lack of a better you know, people wouldn't think about it,

554
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: but I've seen too Short stand on the stage every

555
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Speaker 4: night for a month straight, thirty thousand people minimum in

556
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Speaker 4: the audience and never wrap was able to stand there,

557
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Speaker 4: hold his mic out, start the line off and see

558
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Speaker 4: thirty thousand people do his show for him.

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Speaker 1: That's an MC.

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Speaker 4: Even a jay Z moment like I've seen jay Z

561
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Speaker 4: pull on Michael Jackson, like get out on Summer Jam

562
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Speaker 4: and just stand there for like five minutes with the

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Speaker 4: shades on and sixty thousand people lose their brains just

564
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Speaker 4: because it's jay Z, you know, And that's a moment.

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Speaker 7: Master Eights some of the best that I've seen in

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Speaker 7: my in my years, Big Daddy Came Bizmarcky Duckie, Fresh

567
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Speaker 7: Run from Run, Deem c krus One. There's definitely several

568
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Speaker 7: others that are people that I watched and paid attention to.

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Speaker 7: I got a chance to understand what it took and

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Speaker 7: what it entailed, and I incorporated something from all those

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Speaker 7: guys into how I put on my show.

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Speaker 2: Sir mixed a lot rapper, songwriter, record producer.

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Speaker 8: Most influential rock him.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna say that because there's a lot of styles

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Speaker 13: that emanated from his you know now people say, well,

576
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Speaker 13: not yours. Yes, I do have songs where you know

577
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Speaker 13: you lost to the boss and got knocked off, rip

578
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Speaker 13: off rams, get toss because they all st step off

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Speaker 13: Horse and step on the mix sauce costs to be

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Speaker 13: the boss and pay you with the right cross.

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Speaker 8: That's rock him.

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Speaker 13: Come on, man, you know all that, all that stuff

583
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Speaker 13: like that, And I was doing that on records, but

584
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Speaker 13: those records didn't hit because people don't buy mixed a

585
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Speaker 13: lot for that reason.

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Speaker 8: I get it. I get it, But I would say

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Speaker 8: rock Yim. I'm not doing them in any order.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna say DJ Quick because and I'm gonna I'll

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Speaker 13: tell you why in a minute, because my next one

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Speaker 13: is I'm gonna say NWA.

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Speaker 8: And why do I say those two separately?

592
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Speaker 13: Because Nwa, in my opinion, made gangster rap popular.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they blew it up.

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Speaker 13: Right, probably almost invented it, really, I mean as far

595
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Speaker 13: as the somebody from a helicopter.

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Speaker 8: View would say.

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Speaker 13: But DJ Quick did something a little bit different and

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Speaker 13: and skewed it into something musical and almost R and

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Speaker 13: B esque, so you almost didn't realize he was talking

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Speaker 13: that gangst it at the same time, and it's like

601
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Speaker 13: it was really cool.

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Speaker 8: So I'll say them three.

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Speaker 13: Obviously, public Enemy care ass one.

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Speaker 8: Caress one is pure hip hop.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's pure.

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Speaker 13: He ain't doing no I'm doing all kind of crazy shit.

607
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Speaker 13: I'm doing shit that he.

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Speaker 3: He shouldn't do.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 13: I'm just And then people say, well that much would

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Speaker 13: hate you. I don't give a you. I respect that

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Speaker 13: mother man.

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Speaker 8: I was like, God, damn.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he just literally.

615
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Speaker 8: And to win that crowd over, he won them or

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Speaker 8: It took me three songs and I got him going right.

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Speaker 8: It took him the third person he talked about and.

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Speaker 13: He wasn't There was no music because look it up,

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Speaker 13: it's on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: No music.

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Speaker 8: He was just spitting.

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Speaker 13: I said, yeah, okay, I can see what he means

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Speaker 13: now when he talks about the origins of hip hop

624
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 13: and stuff like that, and why he's so adamant about

625
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 13: it is that something is missing.

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Speaker 8: And I didn't know it until I saw that.

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Speaker 3: If you're like me, hip hop is in your box.

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Speaker 2: Russell Simmons, record executive and entrepreneur.

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Speaker 8: Alan rappers the storyteller. The rapper is the wather talked,

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Speaker 8: what's in.

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Speaker 14: The heart now, mc A A party is one thing,

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Speaker 14: but a rapper he's telling her to eat.

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Speaker 8: Ain't the poet. The poet who has been pressing within.

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Speaker 14: The heart of his heart first, but he mostly if

635
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Speaker 14: he's popular in them. What he's saying is in the

636
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 14: heart for many people but not being expressed a lot.

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00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 14: So the rapper is the guy really say a more

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 14: heartfelt version of what's been polished over and moved around

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00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 14: and made the fit, made acceptable, made accessible. The rapp

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00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 14: up can, like any pope, can tell it how it feels,

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Speaker 14: not how it's.

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00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 8: Always been written promoted, how it really feels. So that's

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Speaker 8: what a good MC should be able to do.

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Speaker 2: For the next episode of the Fifty Years of Hip

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Speaker 2: Hop podcast series, we're gonna look at the shift and

646
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: what went down with hip hop music from the nineteen

647
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: eighties into the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 3: This was a really dynamic.

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: Period where a whole lot of incredible advancements happened. A

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: lot of major artists hit the picture, and your MTV

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00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: raps happened. That's right in the fall in nineteen eighty eight, MTV,

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00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: which was only playing rock and roll, and you know

653
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't really showing black music any love, decided to

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Speaker 2: do something radical.

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Speaker 3: Gave me a call, and.

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Speaker 2: Your MTV raps hit the air, and I featured a

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Speaker 2: lot of these artists that emerged in this period that

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Speaker 2: really defined the culture in a really impactful way. And

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Speaker 2: then we're also going to put a frame around that

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Speaker 2: golden era of hip hop where so much went down

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Speaker 2: once again on the next episode of fifty Years of

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Speaker 2: Hip Hop podcast series. This episode has been executive produced

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Speaker 2: by Dolly S. Bishop, hosted and produced by your Boy

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Speaker 2: Fab five Freddy, Produced.

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Speaker 1: By Aaron A.

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Speaker 2: King Howard, Edit Nick sound by Dwayne Crawford, music scoring

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Speaker 2: by Trey Jones, Talent booking by Nicole Spent