WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Olympe de Gouges

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. This month is the 235th anniversary of Olympe

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<v Speaker 1>de Gouges' Declaration of the Rights of Woman and of

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<v Speaker 1>the Female Citizen, published in September of 1791. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the work she is most known for outside of France today,

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<v Speaker 1>but she had a whole career beyond that as an

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<v Speaker 1>activist and as a playwright. This episode originally came out

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<v Speaker 1>on January 18th, 2021. Enjoy! Welcome to Stuff You Missed

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<v Speaker 1>in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And I'm Holly Frey.

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<v Speaker 1>We have gotten a lot of requests over the years

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<v Speaker 1>for an episode on Olympe de Gouges, who's known, at

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<v Speaker 1>least outside of France, primarily for a 1791 pamphlet titled

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<v Speaker 1>Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Citizen. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was published as a direct response to the 1789

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<v Speaker 1>Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Declaration of the Rights of Man using the French

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<v Speaker 1>word citoyen, and de Gouges' response using the more feminine

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<v Speaker 1>form of that word, citoyen. They look very different in writing.

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<v Speaker 1>but they're pronounced a little similarly. Olymp de Gouges' writing

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<v Speaker 1>and political activity, though, went way, way beyond that one

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<v Speaker 1>pamphlet that she's famous for now. And also her execution,

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<v Speaker 1>which happened just before the start of the reign of terror,

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<v Speaker 1>was not because of the calls for equal rights for

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<v Speaker 1>women that she's become so associated with. It's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other thing. So that's who we're going to talk about today.

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<v Speaker 1>And Olympe de Gouges, her upbringing and early life are

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<v Speaker 1>really hazy, and they are full of contradictions, some of

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<v Speaker 1>which are thanks to her own writing. We do know

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<v Speaker 1>that she was born Marie Gouges on May 7, 1748,

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<v Speaker 1>in Montauban, which is north of Toulouse in southern France.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother was Anne Olympe Moise, a maidservant whose father

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<v Speaker 1>was a draper. And at least legally, Marie's father was

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<v Speaker 1>a butcher named Pierre Gouze. But there were rumors that

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<v Speaker 1>her father was actually Jean-Jacques Lefranc, who would later become

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<v Speaker 1>Marquis de Pompignan. And the Lefrancs and the Moisés had

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<v Speaker 1>been connected for generations. And although Jean-Jacques was only five

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<v Speaker 1>years her senior, he was Anne Olympe's godfather. The Tarn River,

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<v Speaker 1>which is prone to really dangerous and dramatic flooding... runs

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<v Speaker 1>through the region where the Guse family lived. And when

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<v Speaker 1>the young Marie Guse was only two, Pierre Guse died

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of one of these floods. Aside from

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it was connected to the flooding, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know the details of the cause of death.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, an obvious one would be that he drowned, but,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, flooding also causes disease and famines and other issues.

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<v Speaker 1>So we don't really know. At some point after that,

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<v Speaker 1>Marie's mother got married again, this time to a police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>And beyond that, we don't know much else about Marie

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<v Speaker 1>Guse's early life. She probably got at least some education

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<v Speaker 1>at an Ursuline convent. She could write well enough to

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<v Speaker 1>sign her own marriage documents, and the Ursuline convent would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the most likely place for a girl of

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<v Speaker 1>her station to have become literate. That marriage was to

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Aubray, who was a caterer who had been one

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<v Speaker 1>of the late Pierre Guse's associates. And this happened when

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<v Speaker 1>Marie was only 17. Marie and Louis had a son,

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<v Speaker 1>also named Pierre, about two years later. And then a

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<v Speaker 1>few months after that, Louis died. This was also as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of a Tarn River flood. And once again,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really know much clarity on the details beyond

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<v Speaker 1>it being related to the flooding. Marie's marriage to Louis

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<v Speaker 1>had been against her will. And after his death, she

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<v Speaker 1>refused to marry again. And she also refused to conform

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<v Speaker 1>to what was expected of a widowed mother. Instead, she

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<v Speaker 1>moved to Paris in 1767. It is unclear whether she

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<v Speaker 1>took her son with her or whether she left him

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<v Speaker 1>in someone else's care while he was young. And she

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<v Speaker 1>also changed her name to Olympe de Gouges, drawing from

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Anne Olympe and Pierre Gouges' names, and also

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<v Speaker 1>adding the D.E., which made it sound a little more aristocratic.

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<v Speaker 1>She may have also meant her new name as sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a racy joke, because at the time, gouge was

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<v Speaker 1>a slang term for bawdy women. Yeah, I found totally

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<v Speaker 1>opposite accounts of whether she took her son with her

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<v Speaker 1>or left him with someone else. Regardless, though, in Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>Olympe de Gouges was supported by Jacques-Bietre de Rosier, who

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<v Speaker 1>was a wealthy man who owned a military transport company.

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<v Speaker 1>And she spent her first years in Paris really immersed

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<v Speaker 1>in self-study, attending and possibly even hosting literary salons, and

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<v Speaker 1>then pouring over the work of Enlightenment thinkers, particularly Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

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<v Speaker 1>During these years, she also would have expanded her knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of French as a language. Her first language was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a regional dialect called Occitan. Because French was her second

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<v Speaker 1>language and her formal education was pretty minimal, she did

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<v Speaker 1>most of her writing in French through a secretary. In 1784,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean-Jacques Lefranc, Marquis de Pompéien, died, and de Gouges started

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<v Speaker 1>working on an epistolary novel that would be published in 1788.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was called Madame de Valmont's Memoirs on the

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<v Speaker 1>Ingratitude and Cruelty of the Flaucor Family Toward Her Own,

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<v Speaker 1>which rendered such services to the Sirs Flaucor. So this

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<v Speaker 1>book is one of the reasons why some of the

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<v Speaker 1>biographical accounts of Olympe de Gouges' early life are really contradictory.

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<v Speaker 1>She framed this book as a real correspondence with only

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<v Speaker 1>the names changed to protect the reputations of the people involved. Today, though,

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<v Speaker 1>most sources describe this book as semi-autobiographical. But sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>also use the letters contained in it to try to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of glean some details about de Gouges' early life.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, the first de Gouges biography, available

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<v Speaker 1>in English, is Women's Rights in the French Revolution, a

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<v Speaker 1>Biography of Olympe de Gouges. That's by Sophie Mosé, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was translated from French. This biography was first published

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<v Speaker 1>in 2007, and the author cites these memoirs, which, again,

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<v Speaker 1>is an epistolary novel. She cites them repeatedly as fact. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>the footnotes are literally this book. Ha ha ha ha ha.

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<v Speaker 1>And this novel was inspired in part by Les Liaisons Dangereuses,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been published in 1782 and was also written

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of letters exchanged among its characters. In

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<v Speaker 1>the memoir of Madame de Valmont, the main characters are

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<v Speaker 1>Madame de Valmont and her half-brother, son of the Marquis

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<v Speaker 1>de Flaucourt. In addition to their correspondence, the book also

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<v Speaker 1>includes Madame de Valmont's correspondence with other family members. Part

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<v Speaker 1>of this book's framework is an unnamed narrator or editor

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<v Speaker 1>who's brought these letters together to publish and also takes

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<v Speaker 1>a part in some of the correspondence. And this unnamed

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<v Speaker 1>editor maintains that all the facts she's putting forth in

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<v Speaker 1>the letters are, quote, authentic truths. And then what starts

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<v Speaker 1>out as a comic story told through letters gradually shifts

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<v Speaker 1>to document Madame de Valmont's attempts to prove that she

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<v Speaker 1>is really the Marquis' daughter. and to get his recognition

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<v Speaker 1>and support. The letters come together to paint the Flauquer

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<v Speaker 1>family as having been cruel and indifferent to Madame de

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<v Speaker 1>Valmont's mother, with the Marquis trying to distance himself from

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<v Speaker 1>her while never flat-out denying that he is the father

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<v Speaker 1>of her child. The unnamed editor and Madame de Valmont

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<v Speaker 1>are both generally interpreted as stand-ins for de Gouges herself,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Marquis de Flauquer representing the Marquis de Pompignan.

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<v Speaker 1>Biographer Sophie Mousset contends that the Marquis de Pompignan was

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<v Speaker 1>unquestionably Olympe de Gouges' biological father and that everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the community knew this. Even that the Lefranc family had

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<v Speaker 1>taken pains to send Jean-Jacques away from the area to

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<v Speaker 1>separate him from Anne Olympe when they were young. This

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<v Speaker 1>just isn't something that it's possible to conclusively know at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, though. For Olympe de Gouges' own part, she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't overtly claim that the Marquis de Pompignan was her father,

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<v Speaker 1>but she did sort of seem to stoke the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that he could be. Since he had been dead for

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<v Speaker 1>four years by the time The Memoirs of Madame Belmont

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<v Speaker 1>was published, we really do not have his thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>this matter at all, unless the letters really are his

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<v Speaker 1>real letters, as the book contends. Which seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>very long walk, but... I mean, it... It could be, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't really know. And this purported connection to

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<v Speaker 1>the Marquis de Pompignan may have given Olympe de Gouges

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<v Speaker 1>access to theatrical and literary circles that she might not

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<v Speaker 1>have had otherwise. Apart from his status, the Marquis was

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<v Speaker 1>a poet, playwright, and literary critic, whose biggest claim to

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<v Speaker 1>fame at this point is having become the archenemy of

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<v Speaker 1>the way more famous French writer Voltaire. So the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that she was his unacknowledged daughter may have opened some

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<v Speaker 1>doors for her. And it definitely seems to have led

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<v Speaker 1>to some of her later advocacy on social issues related

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<v Speaker 1>to children born out of wedlock and their mothers. Olympe

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<v Speaker 1>de Gouges wrote one other novel during her lifetime, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was... a lot more prolific when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>writing plays, and we will get to more of that

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<v Speaker 1>after a sponsor break. So We know that Olympe de

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<v Speaker 1>Gouges had at least one wealthy benefactor who supported her

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<v Speaker 1>life in Paris. That was Jacques-Biètre de Rosier, who we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier. It's likely that she had other benefactors as well.

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<v Speaker 1>She may have had romantic relationships with some of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but like so many other details about her life, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all pretty vague. De Gouges was also friends with Madame

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<v Speaker 1>de Montesson, wife of Louis-Philippe I d'Orléans. That's the Duke

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<v Speaker 1>of Orléans. And at one point, she was rumored to

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<v Speaker 1>be having an affair with the Duke's son, who was

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<v Speaker 1>later known as Philippe Egalité. And this may have been

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<v Speaker 1>a rumor spread to try to tarnish de Gouges' reputation.

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<v Speaker 1>But her son Pierre did wind up getting an appointment

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<v Speaker 1>as an engineer, thanks to the Orléans family. As Olympe

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<v Speaker 1>de Gouges was making connections to some of the really

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy and powerful families of France, she was also writing

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<v Speaker 1>plays that focused in one way or another on injustice

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<v Speaker 1>and social issues. They tackled themes like divorce and women's

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<v Speaker 1>rights during and after a divorce, as well as sexual

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<v Speaker 1>double standards and the existence of debtors' prisons, the rights

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<v Speaker 1>of children born out of wedlock, and girls being forced

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<v Speaker 1>to marry or sent to convents against their will. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>her female characters in these plays had and used their agency,

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<v Speaker 1>and they supported and protected one another rather than being

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<v Speaker 1>rivals or adversaries. And when women in de Gouges' plays

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<v Speaker 1>were victimized, it was not something that was played for

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<v Speaker 1>its own sake or for shock value. It was connected

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<v Speaker 1>back to a greater theme of social injustice. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, though, de Gouges' plays didn't necessarily dispel negative

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<v Speaker 1>stereotypes of women, such as the idea that women were

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<v Speaker 1>weak or deceitful. Instead, she framed those traits as the

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<v Speaker 1>inevitable consequences of women's place in French society— While there

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<v Speaker 1>were individual women who held high positions within the monarchy

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<v Speaker 1>or the aristocracy, women as a group had very little

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<v Speaker 1>overt political power. Educational opportunities for girls were really limited,

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<v Speaker 1>and for most women, their only options for their adult

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<v Speaker 1>lives were to get married or to enter a convent.

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<v Speaker 1>And either way, they had virtually no property rights or

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<v Speaker 1>control over their own lives and bodies. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>de Gouges saw women as deceitful because they had to

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<v Speaker 1>be to survive in this environment, and as weak because

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<v Speaker 1>they were given no opportunities to build their own strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Olympe de Gouges established a private amateur theater in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it came to public theater, there was really

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<v Speaker 1>just one option. the French National Theatre, known as the Comédie-Française,

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<v Speaker 1>which essentially had a monopoly on professional theatre. The Comédie-Française

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<v Speaker 1>accepted new plays and then performed them in the order

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<v Speaker 1>that they were received. So if there was a backlog,

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<v Speaker 1>which there usually was, there could be a really long

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<v Speaker 1>delay between a play's acceptance and its actual performance. Accepted

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<v Speaker 1>plays were not published until they had been performed, or...

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<v Speaker 1>until three years after they had been accepted, whichever might

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<v Speaker 1>come first. That gives you an indication of how big

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<v Speaker 1>the backlog was. Playwrights whose plays were accepted were given

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<v Speaker 1>entry privileges at the theater, but when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>the performance of the play itself, that was completely out

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<v Speaker 1>of their control. So especially for new playwrights who were

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<v Speaker 1>first trying to make a name for themselves, their careers

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<v Speaker 1>really rested on the whims and political shifts of the Comédie-Française.

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<v Speaker 1>This was true for Olympe de Gouges. In 1784, she

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<v Speaker 1>wrote Zamora and Mirza, or The Happy Shipwreck. Sometimes that's

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<v Speaker 1>translated as The Fortunate Shipwreck. This was a melodrama that

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<v Speaker 1>takes place in the East Indies, involving the shipwrecked, aristocratic

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<v Speaker 1>San Fremont family, as well as an enslaved Asian couple.

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<v Speaker 1>The shipwreck is described as happy because it leads to

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<v Speaker 1>the enslaved couple being freed. Degouge submitted this play to

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<v Speaker 1>the Comédie-Française anonymously when it was accepted in 1785. As

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<v Speaker 1>time passed after her play was accepted, Degouge started writing

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<v Speaker 1>to the theater and its actors about when it would

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<v Speaker 1>be performed. She became so insistent that in September of 1785,

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<v Speaker 1>the troop leader wrote back to her and told her

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<v Speaker 1>that they were pulling that play from the repertoire and

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<v Speaker 1>striking her name from the list of people who had

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<v Speaker 1>entry privileges at the theater. The theater also petitioned to

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<v Speaker 1>have her arrested. That might sound a little extreme. This

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<v Speaker 1>was not really a unique situation at all. It was

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<v Speaker 1>common for playwrights to become really frustrated with the Comédie-Française

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<v Speaker 1>to the point of being combative with their correspondents. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also pretty common for the company to then reverse

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<v Speaker 1>their acceptance of the play. But what was really unusual

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<v Speaker 1>was for a playwright who was treated this way to

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<v Speaker 1>be a woman. Between 1761 and 1789, the Comédie-Française accepted

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<v Speaker 1>only nine plays written by women. To put that in context,

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<v Speaker 1>the royal regulations required the company to produce between 25

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<v Speaker 1>and 40 new plays a year. It was not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really performing more like 10 or 12, which

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<v Speaker 1>honestly still sounds like a large number of plays. It

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<v Speaker 1>was accepting more work than it was performing, though, so...

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<v Speaker 1>Plays by women just made up a really tiny portion

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<v Speaker 1>of the theater's repertoire. I feel like this is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of so many companies who set really big goals

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of every year. Yeah. There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to meet them. Aside from de Gouges, only

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<v Speaker 1>two of those women corresponded with the company about their work.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the Delorme sisters, who had written a one-act

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<v Speaker 1>comedy together. The Comédie-Française performed that comedy only once, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Delorme sisters felt that it had been dropped in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of work by better-known playwrights. They revised the play

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<v Speaker 1>and resubmitted it, and the company rejected that revision six

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<v Speaker 1>months later. So while the company had taken the step

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<v Speaker 1>of penalizing other playwrights who pushed too hard with their correspondence,

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<v Speaker 1>Olympe de Gouges was really the only woman to face

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<v Speaker 1>such a treatment. The Delorme sisters had not had their revision... but, like,

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<v Speaker 1>they had also not been stripped from the roles. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no warrant out for their arrest. Or threatened with arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>So she wrote to the Duc de Richelieu, who was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first gentlemen of the king's bedchamber, noting

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<v Speaker 1>that while the Comédie-Française had treated other playwrights this way,

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<v Speaker 1>the theater's conduct was, quote, extraordinary toward a woman. The

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<v Speaker 1>duke got her status with the company restored... And although

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<v Speaker 1>the Comédie-Française still did not perform that play, her correspondence

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<v Speaker 1>on the subject became a little more conciliatory after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Four years passed between the time when The Happy Shipwreck

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<v Speaker 1>was accepted and when it was finally performed. And in

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<v Speaker 1>that time, de Gouges had revised it repeatedly. And in

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<v Speaker 1>August of 1788, she had printed an unbound version of

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<v Speaker 1>the play, which was technically allowed under the policies of

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<v Speaker 1>the Comédie-Française. but it was also considered kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>rude move on her part. Yeah, she had not quite

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to that three-year mark yet. She kind of did

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<v Speaker 1>an end run around the letter of the law. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time the company did perform the play in 1789,

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<v Speaker 1>it was shorter. The story took place in the Caribbean,

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<v Speaker 1>and the characters of Zamora and Mirza had become African

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<v Speaker 1>rather than Asian. The play had been retitled The Slavery

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<v Speaker 1>of Negroes or The Happy Shipwreck. It's often been described

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<v Speaker 1>as the first explicitly abolitionist play in French, and the

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<v Speaker 1>first French play told from the point of view of

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved people. Even though the Comédie-Française did finally perform this work,

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<v Speaker 1>the performances themselves did not go smoothly. Because of its

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<v Speaker 1>abolitionist focus, it drew heavy criticism from wealthy people who

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<v Speaker 1>had connections to French colonies in the Caribbean that relied

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<v Speaker 1>on enslaved labor. Abolitionists praised the play, while landowners hired

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<v Speaker 1>hecklers to disrupt the performances. Yeah, some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>paying people to disrupt the performances would have been just, like,

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<v Speaker 1>people who had investments, as well as, like, people who

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<v Speaker 1>directly owned these plantations and the enslaved workers who were there.

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<v Speaker 1>Degouge also claimed that there was sabotage on the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the actors involved. The ones who had been cast

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<v Speaker 1>in the roles of Africans did refuse to darken their

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<v Speaker 1>skin for the roles. So the idea of white actors

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<v Speaker 1>and blackface was still absolutely rooted in racism, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have quite the same connotations in the late 1700s

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<v Speaker 1>as it would develop during and after the era of

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<v Speaker 1>menstrual shows that started to develop in the early 1800s.

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<v Speaker 1>France's movement for the abolition of slavery was still in

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<v Speaker 1>its infancy when Olympe de Gouges first wrote Zemmour and Mirza.

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<v Speaker 1>The Society of the Friends of Blacks was established in 1788,

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<v Speaker 1>and de Gouges became a member. Slavery was abolished in

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<v Speaker 1>France in 1794, although Napoleon restored it in 1802. By

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<v Speaker 1>her count, Olympe de Gouges wrote more than 40 plays,

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<v Speaker 1>although only 12 of them survive, and only four of

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<v Speaker 1>them were actually staged during her lifetime. And aside from

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<v Speaker 1>her novels and plays, she also wrote more than 60

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<v Speaker 1>political pamphlets during the French Revolution, and we will get

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<v Speaker 1>to that after another quick sponsor break. Olympe de Gouges

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<v Speaker 1>The Carrelle des Femmes, or the Woman Question, was a

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<v Speaker 1>literary and philosophical debate that had been going on in

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<v Speaker 1>France and other parts of Europe for hundreds of years

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the French Revolution, starting in the Renaissance. It

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<v Speaker 1>involved questions about the nature of women and about women's

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<v Speaker 1>rights and status within the society. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these same questions were argued again during the French Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Although men were doing a lot of this arguing, women

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<v Speaker 1>were also politically active during the French Revolution, particularly when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to subjects that were considered part of women's sphere.

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<v Speaker 1>A big one was food and access to food. In 2017,

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<v Speaker 1>we did an episode on the Women's March on Versailles,

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<v Speaker 1>which started on March 5th, 1789. And this was a

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<v Speaker 1>march from Paris to Versailles with the goal of getting

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<v Speaker 1>the monarchy to address a serious food shortage and return

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<v Speaker 1>to Paris. Women, many of whom were anonymous, published work

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<v Speaker 1>on subjects like education and poverty, as well as criticizing

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<v Speaker 1>divorce and inheritance laws that favored men. The various factions

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<v Speaker 1>that arose during the revolution varied a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>how welcoming they were of women. I say a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was broader than that. There were some factions that

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<v Speaker 1>were like, nah, we only have men in our leadership

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<v Speaker 1>and others who did allow women at least some participation.

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<v Speaker 1>So women also formed their own political clubs during the

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<v Speaker 1>French Revolution. Many of those clubs were still focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the subjects that were considered appropriate for women, like food

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<v Speaker 1>and education. Olympe de Gouges had some overlap with these

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<v Speaker 1>other often anonymous women. She wrote on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>same subjects, including divorce, inheritance, and education, particularly education for girls.

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<v Speaker 1>She called for women to be able to publicly name

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<v Speaker 1>the fathers of their children born out of wedlock and

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<v Speaker 1>for those children to be legitimized. She also advocated an

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<v Speaker 1>end to the dowry system and the creation of services

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<v Speaker 1>for widows, mothers, and children living in poverty. But unlike

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<v Speaker 1>many other women writers who were often anonymous, she also

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<v Speaker 1>wrote under her own name, and she wrote more broadly

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<v Speaker 1>on other political issues and on women's political and social

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<v Speaker 1>rights in general. She advocated for professions to be open

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone, regardless of their sex, their color, or their

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<v Speaker 1>social status. She believed that celibacy requirements for monks and

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<v Speaker 1>nuns set the stage for abuse and called for them

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<v Speaker 1>to have marriage rights. She proposed a voluntary tax to

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<v Speaker 1>try to address wealth inequality and to save the French

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<v Speaker 1>Republic from bankruptcy. She also advocated a luxury tax that

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<v Speaker 1>would pay for services for the poor. She called for

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<v Speaker 1>an end to the death penalty, and she advocated the

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<v Speaker 1>establishment of a national theater that would focus on publishing

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<v Speaker 1>and staging the work of women playwrights. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>reforms that she advocated were ultimately adopted, including protections for

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<v Speaker 1>children who were born out of wedlock and divorce rights

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<v Speaker 1>for women. These were passed into law by the National

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<v Speaker 1>Assembly in 1792. On August 26, 1789, the French National

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<v Speaker 1>Constituent Assembly issued the Declaration of the Rights of Man

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<v Speaker 1>and the Citizen, written by the Marquis de Lafayette and

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<v Speaker 1>the Abbé Sieyès, along with Thomas Jefferson. That includes 17

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<v Speaker 1>articles outlining the fundamental rights of male citizens. And in 1791,

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<v Speaker 1>the National Assembly adopted a new constitution, one that gave

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<v Speaker 1>the right to vote only to male taxpaying citizens. To

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, this was a little at odds

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<v Speaker 1>with the French Revolution's professed values, including liberty and equality.

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<v Speaker 1>De Gouges' response to all of this was the Declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rights of Woman and the Citizen, sometimes translated

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<v Speaker 1>as the Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the

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<v Speaker 1>Female Citizen, thanks to her use of the word citoyenne.

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<v Speaker 1>It followed the same basic format as the Declaration of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rights of Man, including a preamble, 17 articles, and

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<v Speaker 1>an epilogue. It was also dedicated to Marie Antoinette, encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>her to take up the cause of the revolution and

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<v Speaker 1>to use her position to advance the cause of women's rights.

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<v Speaker 1>De Gouges published this on September 14th, 1791, to coincide

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<v Speaker 1>with Louis XVI's ratification of the new constitution that excluded

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<v Speaker 1>women from full citizenship rights. And the prologue to this

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<v Speaker 1>piece began, quote,' Man, are you capable of being fair?'

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<v Speaker 1>A woman is asking, at least you will allow her

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<v Speaker 1>that right. Tell me, what gave you the sovereign right

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<v Speaker 1>to oppress my sex? The 17 articles follow the Declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rights of Man point by point. And in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases, they simply use the word woman or women

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<v Speaker 1>in place of man or men, or they specifically include

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<v Speaker 1>women in addition to men where they're referenced. So Article

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<v Speaker 1>1 of the Declaration of the Rights of Women, for example, is, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>woman is born free and remains equal to man in rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Social distinctions may be founded only on the common good.

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<v Speaker 1>Other articles add additional nuance. For example, Article 10 in

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<v Speaker 1>the Declaration of the Rights of Man is, quote, no

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<v Speaker 1>one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including

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<v Speaker 1>his religious views, provided their manifestation does not disturb the

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<v Speaker 1>public order established by law. In the rights of women,

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<v Speaker 1>that is written as, quote, Article 11 is about free expression.

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<v Speaker 1>And in de Gouges' writing, she specifically cites the rights

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<v Speaker 1>of mothers to name their children's fathers. Quote, The free

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<v Speaker 1>expression of thoughts and opinions is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>precious rights of woman, given that this liberty ensures the

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<v Speaker 1>legitimacy of fathers and their children. Any female citizen can

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<v Speaker 1>therefore freely declare, I am the mother of your child,

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<v Speaker 1>without a barbarous prejudice forcing them to hide the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>unless in response to the abuse of this freedom in

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<v Speaker 1>cases determined by the law. In a postscript that's longer

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<v Speaker 1>than the rest of the document, Degouge calls for women

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up and acknowledge their rights. She contends, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>women have done more harm than good. Constraint and dissimulation

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<v Speaker 1>have been their lot. What force stole from them, ruse returned.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to resort to the power of their charms

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<v Speaker 1>and the most irreproachable man could not resist. She then

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<v Speaker 1>draws parallels between marriage and slavery, ending on the idea that, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>marriage is the tomb of trust and love. She also

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<v Speaker 1>prints a template for what she describes as a social

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<v Speaker 1>contract between a man and a woman, a union that,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike marriage, involves a man and a woman coming together

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<v Speaker 1>in equality and of their own volition. In the postscript,

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<v Speaker 1>she also recounts an argument with a coachman who tried

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<v Speaker 1>to overcharge her, and this is something that she includes

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<v Speaker 1>as an example of the everyday injustices and indignities that

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<v Speaker 1>women face in But it also seems enough like a

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<v Speaker 1>digression that a lot of time it is left out

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<v Speaker 1>of English translations. Olympe de Gouges had always faced criticism

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<v Speaker 1>and derision for her writing and her political activism. There

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<v Speaker 1>were allegations of affairs that were meant to discredit her,

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<v Speaker 1>along with claims that she was illiterate or a fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it came to the Declaration of the Rights

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<v Speaker 1>of Woman, what really drew suspicion was her dedication to

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<v Speaker 1>Marie Antoinette, which reinforced suspicions that that she was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact a monarchist. And unlike a lot of the other

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<v Speaker 1>suspicions that swirled around her, this one was actually pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>In spite of her revolutionary writings and her general support

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<v Speaker 1>of the French Revolution, Olympe de Gouges thought a constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>monarchy was the system of government that was most suited

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<v Speaker 1>to the national character of France. But she also thought

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<v Speaker 1>that the monarch should be a symbolic emblem for France

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<v Speaker 1>as a nation and should work for the good of

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<v Speaker 1>its most vulnerable people, not a symbol of power and

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<v Speaker 1>a tool to carry out the wishes of the aristocracy.

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<v Speaker 1>When King Louis XVI was tried for treason in 1792,

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<v Speaker 1>Olympe de Gouges offered to defend him. Her argument was

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<v Speaker 1>that he unquestionably had done wrong, but that he had

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<v Speaker 1>done wrong when he was king. By her argument, since

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<v Speaker 1>France had abolished the monarchy and become a republic in

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<v Speaker 1>September of 1792, the former king was no longer guilty

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<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of the republic. The republic could not

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute someone who was no longer the monarch for something

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<v Speaker 1>the monarch had done. Her offer to defend the king,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, was not accepted, and he was, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>executed on January 21, 1793. Yeah, we're not suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>defense would have worked, but. It's kind of a weird

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<v Speaker 1>pretzel logic. It's a little, yeah. It's like, no, he

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<v Speaker 1>stopped being the person that you hate when he stopped

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<v Speaker 1>being king. Like, that's not quite right. So by the

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<v Speaker 1>time Louis the 16th was executed tensions had been growing

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<v Speaker 1>between revolutionaries and counter-revolutionaries and also among different factions within

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<v Speaker 1>the revolution for years the french revolutionary wars had also

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<v Speaker 1>started in 1792 and that had put even more strain

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<v Speaker 1>on this young republic The revolution had become increasingly radical

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and increasingly intolerant of suspected monarchists and counter-revolutionaries. Olymp de

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.530
<v Speaker 1>Gouges had been mostly aligned with the revolutionary faction known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Girondins. 29 of them had been expelled from

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<v Speaker 1>the national convention and arrested and then would be executed

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<v Speaker 1>a few months later. In the face of all of

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<v Speaker 1>this tension, in July of 1793, de Gouges proposed that

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<v Speaker 1>each department of France be allowed to govern itself, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than the one unified nation of France that was required

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<v Speaker 1>by law. And this idea seems to be what finally

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<v Speaker 1>led to her arrest on July 20th, 1793, not long

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<v Speaker 1>after the mass arrest of the Girondins. She seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have genuinely believed that if she cooperated, that her writings

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<v Speaker 1>would demonstrate that she was loyal to France and the revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>and that she would be cleared of all suspicion. She

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<v Speaker 1>even took investigators to her office and storage space when

0:30:57.090 --> 0:31:00.970
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't find any incriminating writing in her home. The

0:31:01.030 --> 0:31:05.790
<v Speaker 1>materials that they wound up confiscating included an unfinished five-act

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<v Speaker 1>play called France Saved or the Tyrant Dethroned. As its

0:31:11.530 --> 0:31:15.490
<v Speaker 1>title suggests, the monarch is dethroned in this play, but

0:31:15.650 --> 0:31:19.230
<v Speaker 1>its sympathetic portrayal of Marie Antoinette was used as evidence

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<v Speaker 1>in Marie de Gouges' trial. So was a pamphlet she

0:31:22.770 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>had written called Three Governments Battle to the Death, which

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<v Speaker 1>called for the nation of France to make an ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>choice among monarchy, federalism, or republicanism. She had also been

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<v Speaker 1>highly critical of Maximilien Robespierre and of the increasing violence

0:31:38.830 --> 0:31:44.270
<v Speaker 1>associated with the revolution and the war. On July 25th, 1793,

0:31:44.270 --> 0:31:47.300
<v Speaker 1>de Gouges was charged with, quote, having composed a work

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<v Speaker 1>contrary to the expressed desire of the entire nation and

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>directed against whoever might propose a form of government other

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<v Speaker 1>than that of a republic, one and indivisible. She was incarcerated,

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<v Speaker 1>and she continued writing, smuggling pamphlets detailing the conditions there

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<v Speaker 1>out of her prison. At trial, the judge denied Degouge

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<v Speaker 1>legal representation, so she had to represent herself. And different

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<v Speaker 1>accounts interpret her behavior at court very differently. She claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to be 38, but she was really 45. She's also

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<v Speaker 1>described as sighing, smirking, or rolling her eyes as the

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<v Speaker 1>charges were read. either, depending on who you're reading, clearly

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.500
<v Speaker 1>not taking the proceeding seriously, or trying to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>performatively embody the idea of innocence, almost like a character

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<v Speaker 1>from one of her plays. She was ultimately found in

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<v Speaker 1>violation of a law that banned the composition or printing

0:32:46.690 --> 0:32:50.710
<v Speaker 1>of works that advocated the reestablishment of royalty or the

0:32:50.750 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>dissolution of the Republic, which was punishable by death. She

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<v Speaker 1>tried to avoid execution by claiming to be pregnant, but

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor examined her and said that she was not.

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<v Speaker 1>As is the case with any historical examination of this

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<v Speaker 1>kind that we talk about on the show, we really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what was done, what this doctor did as

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<v Speaker 1>a test, or whether it would have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>even detect a pregnancy. Yeah, I mean, eventually it becomes

0:33:17.850 --> 0:33:22.590
<v Speaker 1>relatively obvious, but in the early stages, who knows? In

0:33:22.610 --> 0:33:28.229
<v Speaker 1>the early stages in the 1790s. Yes. Anyway, Olympe de

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<v Speaker 1>Gouges was executed in Paris on November 3rd, 1793. And

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<v Speaker 1>her last words were, children of the homeland, you will

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<v Speaker 1>avenge my death. The word homeland, as she said it

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<v Speaker 1>in French, is la patrie. And that's also translated as

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<v Speaker 1>both motherland and fatherland, depending on who you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>because the patrie part comes from the word for father,

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<v Speaker 1>but la is also a feminine article, so it kind

0:33:56.660 --> 0:34:00.990
<v Speaker 1>of meshes both of that. Olympe de Gouges' son, Pierre,

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<v Speaker 1>denounced her during all of this, and while she did

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<v Speaker 1>write several letters to him during her imprisonment and her trial,

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<v Speaker 1>those were all confiscated. She was buried at Madeleine Cemetery

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris, which was later closed and cleared with the

0:34:14.739 --> 0:34:19.810
<v Speaker 1>skeletal remains being moved to the Paris catacombs. Although... In

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<v Speaker 1>Unearthed in July 2020, we talked about the discovery of

0:34:23.610 --> 0:34:28.270
<v Speaker 1>skeletal remains in the Chapelle Expatoire, which is a memorial

0:34:28.310 --> 0:34:31.430
<v Speaker 1>chapel that was built on the site of the former cemetery.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's possible that the remains of Olympe de Gouges

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<v Speaker 1>are in the Paris catacombs. Also possible that they could

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<v Speaker 1>be in these relatively newly unearthed skeletal remains in this chapel.

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>De Gouges continued to be criticized and vilified after her death.

0:34:48.170 --> 0:34:52.009
<v Speaker 1>in ways that questioned her politics, her character, and her womanhood.

0:34:52.910 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 1>In 1793, French politician Pierre-Gaspard Chaumet wrote, quote, Never forget

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:02.420
<v Speaker 1>that Virago, the woman-man, the impudent Olympe de Gouges, who

0:35:02.500 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>abandoned the cares of her household to get involved in

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>politics and commit crimes. She died on the guillotine for

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<v Speaker 1>having forgotten the virtues that suit her sex. It really

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<v Speaker 1>took decades. I mean, even into like the 1990s, before

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<v Speaker 1>people started really viewing Olympe de Gouges as a forerunner

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<v Speaker 1>of the feminist movement and to really seriously study her work.

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<v Speaker 1>There were calls to have her commemorated at the Pantheon

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris in 1993 and then again in 2013. The

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<v Speaker 1>first woman to be interred at the Pantheon was Sophie Berthelot,

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<v Speaker 1>whose husband, chemist and politician Marcelin Berthelot, had died within

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<v Speaker 1>hours of her passing. The first woman to be interred

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<v Speaker 1>at the Pantheon based on her own accomplishments was Marie Curie,

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<v Speaker 1>when that didn't happen until 1995. Although Alain de Gouges

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<v Speaker 1>has not been Pantheonized, a bust of her was installed

0:35:58.090 --> 0:36:01.330
<v Speaker 1>at the National Assembly in 2016. That is Alain de Gouges.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said just a second ago, there was not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of serious look at her work and her

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<v Speaker 1>life until roughly the 90s, really, and I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to say I still find... the available research lacking. There

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<v Speaker 1>was just not as much of it as I would

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<v Speaker 1>have liked and not as robust as I would have

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<v Speaker 1>liked it to be. Thanks so much for joining us

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