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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. Before we start here, I want

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Speaker 1: to apologize to you. It doesn't happen enough to know.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to apologize to you because you've you've been

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Speaker 1: a Buffalo Bills believer. Yes, yes, yes, And technically they

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Speaker 1: are still alive. They're in the eleven spell eleven.

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Speaker 2: Seed right now, which is bonkers, but they are one

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Speaker 2: of these six seven and six teams, six seven sent.

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Speaker 1: They are alive. They're alive now. All it took was

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Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony to do maybe the dumbest thing that that

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Speaker 1: a player can do, right, But it's Kadarius Tony that

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Speaker 1: we're talking.

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Speaker 2: About, and he seems to do these things often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Otherwise it'd be six and seven right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably out of it and be completely out of it,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. But I think they're not and you were right.

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Speaker 1: I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're good. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they can get in the playoffs. I think they are

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Speaker 2: one of the best teams in the a FC.

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Speaker 1: This was my This was my theory about why it

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Speaker 1: would be so difficult for them, because even though that

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Speaker 1: they won that game.

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Speaker 2: Tie breakers are awful.

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Speaker 1: They're tie breakers are awful. They're the last of the teams.

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Speaker 2: The right, right, they need so much help and control

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Speaker 2: of them are really tough. I mean, Cincinnati's kind of

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Speaker 1: Denver has a head to head win against the Bills.

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Speaker 2: So they need all these teams to fall.

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Speaker 1: They need these teams to lose, like.

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Speaker 2: And but I still contend they could go to the

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Speaker 2: So it's a conundrum. I mean, I think they're a

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Speaker 2: scary team. They got a tremendous quarterback. They just got

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Speaker 2: And I also think Kansas City is the team they

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Speaker 1: So it brings me to the Steelers. So I tried

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Speaker 1: to stay off of social media all weekend.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a lovely place this time of here.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to decompress and be the people. Wonder,

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Speaker 1: why do you complain about this or what do you.

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Speaker 1: Why do you lecture people or because I I I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I understand not everybody goes on social media and rants

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Speaker 1: about this or ransom. But unfortunately, but there's bad apps.

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of it because I get added

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Speaker 1: with a lot of this stuff when they tweeted on

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Speaker 1: So I I understand, but real.

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Speaker 2: Quick, I think it's common courtesy to at least read

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Speaker 2: your tweets too. I mean I read most. I know

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Speaker 2: some people don't even read them, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: Like, are you insane?

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Speaker 2: You know, like, do you like being tortured?

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Speaker 1: I mean, not quite torture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think if someone's going to send

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Speaker 2: most of them. Yeah, but it's a pretty hostile world

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Speaker 2: right now, quite desessed pool, especially considering what we do

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So, anyways, so I tweeted out yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Just a fact, I did one too, So after after.

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Speaker 1: The after the one o'clock games, the Steelers had moved

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Speaker 1: That's the truth. The the replies that I got, like, well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning of the season, the rules are laid out.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows what they are. Win these games, losing, win

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Speaker 1: of tie break. Yes, it's not just we think Colorado

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Speaker 1: Are they a better team right now in terms of record? No? Right, right, right? Facts?

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Speaker 2: He's got got a raw deal with Miami. He was

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Speaker 2: twenty one hours ago I put out Brian Flores a

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Speaker 1: The vices the key way being a head coach next year.

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Speaker 2: Never mentioned eighteen. There's thirty two of these jobs in

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Speaker 2: the world. Seventy five percent of the responses were no,

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Speaker 2: we need a young offensive head coach. We being the

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Speaker 2: why would they do that. I'm like, I'm not even

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Speaker 2: suggesting one. This team makes the coach say in the league.

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Speaker 2: Like it's crazy, but whatever, I mean. I feel like

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Speaker 2: you and I have gone down the rabbit hole too

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Speaker 2: much of listening to others outside the world, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Very doing what we do. It's very because I try

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, try to reply to those and many fans yeah,

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Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, and that's part of the process. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's great. I appreciate. I appreciate all the fans that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the immediate negativity, you know, like, well, this is

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Speaker 1: The number of people out there who want the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Especially given the state of the AFC.

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Speaker 2: No doubt. So real quick, it's wanting to throw this

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Speaker 2: The Browns are on their fourth quarterback, their fourth quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can we can go up and down

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Speaker 1: They've beaten all the sludge. Now that being said, the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: Also, facts, no doubt about it. I mean things were

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Speaker 2: long time. Fine, that's very warranted. Those are two really

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Speaker 1: And when I look ahead, the Baltimore Ravens right now

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Speaker 1: Steelers already beat the Ravens once this.

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Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs the team that everybody thought was, Wow,

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Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: Six times?

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Speaker 2: I bet Chiefs Nation Radio is a hostile place right

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Speaker 1: They were there was Patrick Mahomes screaming at officials last night.

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Speaker 1: You had Chris Jones arguing with their defensive line. I

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Speaker 1: the tablets around, and I mean these are things that happen.

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Speaker 1: Guys get frustrated when you're not winning. So when think

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Speaker 1: when stuff like that happens with the Steelers, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: have lost control.

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Speaker 2: No, it happens everywhere, happens everywhere. It's a frustrating, difficult sport.

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Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, tentative. I mean, their defense is falling apart on them,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think all the side note, I do

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Speaker 1: I do too, But there's no world beater.

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Speaker 2: There's no world beater right there. No, I mean, not

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Speaker 2: Pretty close, pretty close, And but what's nice, Yes you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they could be into a in a

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Speaker 1: slugfest this week in New England.

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Speaker 2: They could. I mean, would you say to start the show.

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Speaker 2: They've had six games with sixteen points or less, six

442
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Speaker 2: games in the teams in the teens, the teens against Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely up there, and then you never know, so

444
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Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens could have ever locked up.

445
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Speaker 2: They could they're playing well.

446
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Speaker 1: There's just so much left here to to play fun.

447
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Speaker 1: It's just no I I anybody who tries to tell you, well,

448
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Speaker 1: these these I mean, we try to do it well,

449
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Speaker 1: I think those will be the seven teams that are in.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, that's not the case. Yeah, we're guessing.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's it's going to change completely.

452
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Speaker 2: Here, It's been changing quick.

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Speaker 1: The key is to win. The Steelers have to win

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Speaker 1: these next two games. Yes, they put themselves in this

455
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Speaker 1: situation where if they win these next two games, they're

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Speaker 1: actually in pretty good shape.

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Speaker 2: They're actually in pretty good shape. And again I think

458
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Speaker 2: there's if you could have just won one of those

459
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Speaker 2: two you'd be in such good shape.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Now even had you won the last two games,

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Speaker 1: let's say right now that you that they are nine

462
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Speaker 1: and four, four, they still would need to win these

463
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Speaker 1: two games. Mm hmmm, because at nine and seven, but

464
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Speaker 1: losing those two games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would be just as bad, would be worse, worse, worse, because.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gave those two teams wins. Yeah. Now that

467
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Speaker 1: being said, Cincinnati, even if even if they would beat

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, they still need would still lose the tiebreaker

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Speaker 1: because of their division record.

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Speaker 2: Again, we said this a million times, and I give

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Speaker 2: multicred in the world that the Bengals and Bills are

472
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Speaker 2: still above water, and they absolutely are. That's a credit

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Speaker 2: to the organization, coaching stabs, everybody. But the facts are

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Speaker 2: the facts that they dug themselves some pretty brutal holes

475
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Speaker 2: in terms of tiebreaks.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati still they're zero and four in a division.

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Speaker 2: What's their conference record?

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Speaker 1: They are three and six.

479
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Speaker 2: It's rough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The only reason they're ahead of the Bills right

481
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Speaker 1: now because they have a head to head win. They

482
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Speaker 1: have ahead dead like a bunch of these teams ahead

483
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Speaker 1: of the Bills have had the head wins against them.

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Speaker 2: That the Bills are the wrong teams to lose. Yes, yeah,

485
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Speaker 2: I mean they have some nice wins, but their losses

486
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Speaker 2: are hurt more than they.

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Speaker 1: Do, which is which is kind of where the Steelers

488
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Speaker 1: are at the reverse rate. Opposite a few win these

489
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Speaker 1: next two games, they're more important than losing those last

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Speaker 1: two games.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers were the Bills last year, yes, or the

492
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Speaker 2: Bengals I mean yeah, I mean they have high expectations

493
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Speaker 2: today of the.

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Speaker 1: Year and hurt them, you know, yeah, immensely lose.

495
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Speaker 2: The wrong teams. I mean last year, you lose the

496
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Speaker 2: Jets and Dolphins and Patriots, all the teams that.

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Speaker 1: You're fighting for a spot with. You finished with the

498
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Speaker 1: same record as some of those teams, and you didn't

499
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Speaker 1: get in because you lost the head to head matchups.

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Speaker 2: Which is the beauty of playing Indian Cincy. Now there's

501
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Speaker 2: actually the teams you want to play, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: And you want to beat them, Well you have to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, you have to. So that's where

504
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Speaker 1: the Steelers are at right now. We'll see what happens

505
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Speaker 1: this weekend.

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Speaker 2: But and I understand the sentiment out there. They can't

507
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Speaker 2: beat anybody. They're never going to win again in my lifetime,

508
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Speaker 2: you know. I know, you've a bad teation mount and

509
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Speaker 2: they lost the two bad teams, and maybe they won't.

510
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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll go and six to finish the season. I

511
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Speaker 2: don't have a crystal ball, but if you win the

512
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Speaker 2: next two, it's.

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Speaker 1: I still look at it where they got to win

514
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Speaker 1: over the Ravens, they got to win over the Browns.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they got to win of the Bengals who

516
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Speaker 1: are seven and six. They gotta win over Green Bay,

517
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Speaker 1: which is in the playoffs in the NFC. They gotta

518
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Speaker 1: win over the Rams. I mean, it's not like they've

519
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Speaker 1: not beaten anybody, right.

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Speaker 2: I forget what year that was when people are writing like,

521
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Speaker 2: this is the worst eleven O team I've ever seen,

522
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Speaker 2: because they haven't beaten anybody. I played the teams ahead

523
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Speaker 2: of you. But I see what you're saying. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've been saying that in Dallas and Miami up until

525
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Speaker 2: last night, like give me a good win, and they did,

526
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Speaker 2: and Dallas did Miami, so hasn't right. Well, you know,

527
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Speaker 2: we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we're gonna get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. Remember that apology. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's a semi apology.

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Speaker 2: When we do power Rise tomorrow, we'll fight about where

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Speaker 2: the bills are at.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're gonna get to a break.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in the Drive right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am the apologizing Dale Lollie Heny. So over the weekend,

537
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Speaker 1: Matt is I was staying off of social media. I

538
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Speaker 1: took the time Sunday morning to do a little deep

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Speaker 1: dive into heinz word interesting in his potential candidacy for

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Speaker 1: that eleven year span.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you know if up your head when he

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Speaker 2: came to the league, like when was his rookie year?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so from two thousand to twenty ten. And the

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Speaker 1: reason I picked that date a ward was basically that's

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Speaker 1: when he became a starter. Yeh started, it was his

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Speaker 1: prime years. It's eleven years. It's eleven year period, and

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Speaker 1: you also had some of the other guys were kind

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Speaker 1: of in their primes as well.

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Speaker 2: The other potential Hall of famers he's competing against, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, during that time period, Heinzwerd played one hundred and

551
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Speaker 1: seventy games over those eleven years, so.

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Speaker 2: He didn't he missed very few, very few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what would that be? Six missed six games?

554
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Speaker 2: It was even seventeen years.

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Speaker 1: He led the NFL with eight hundred and seventy eight receptions. Okay,

556
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Speaker 1: that's more than Tory Holt. That's more than Terrell Owens.

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Speaker 1: That's more than Randy Moss, who also played one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy games.

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Speaker 2: Are they all similar games played? Some of them?

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Speaker 1: Whole played one fifty seven, Owens played one fifty seven,

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Speaker 1: Moss played one seventy, the same number as Ward. Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison played one thirty. He had seven ninety one. He's

563
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Speaker 1: already in the Hall of Fame as his mossue, Reggie

564
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Speaker 1: Wayne played one hundred and fifty seven games. He had

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and eighty seven catches. Ward had eight seventy eight. Wow,

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Speaker 1: hundred more and thirteen more games. So yeah, very yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty comparable, more than Chad Johnson, more than Donald Driver.

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Speaker 1: Laverni has called I'm just going down the list. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Andre Johnson played one hundred and fifteen games. He had

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Speaker 1: six seventy three. Isaac Bruce is in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He played one hundred and forty six games in that

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Speaker 1: time period. He had six hundred thirty five catches in

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Speaker 1: that same time period. UH targets, which matter sure work.

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Speaker 1: Ward led the league in receptions over that period. He

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Speaker 1: was fifth in targets, so he was more productive on

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Speaker 1: fewer targets. Yeah, taroll Owens had fifteen oh six. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Tory Holt had fourteen sixty four. So Holt had more

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Speaker 1: targets than Ward, but one hundred fewer catches.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting, he actually had efficiency is high.

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Speaker 1: He had one hundred more targets the Ward over that stretch, okay,

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Speaker 1: but one hundred fewer catches.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay again, So.

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Speaker 1: If Ward had efficiencies, right coming, if Word had those

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Speaker 1: extra two hundred targets at the same pace, right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Randy Moss so real quick.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I know the answer, but I

588
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Speaker 2: don't think the Steals threw the ball as much as

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Speaker 2: a ram.

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Speaker 1: They certainly did not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just we're not throwing to you necessarily.

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Speaker 2: I think there's just fewer targets because of the style

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Speaker 2: of offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Randy Moss had fourteen and twenty nine targets. Derek

595
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Speaker 1: Mason had thirteen eighty five. Mason had eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy seven catches, one fewer than Ward, but he played

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Speaker 1: three more games, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: He was another efficient one though, Yeah, not high volume offenses.

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Speaker 1: And then Ward with thirteen sixty Then you have Chad

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Speaker 1: Johnson Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne. Then we go to this

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Speaker 1: is a big one receiving touchdowns. You have Moss with

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Speaker 1: one twenty five. Oh, superstar, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Tyrby the best touchdown producer of all time.

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Speaker 1: Terrell Owens with one twenty three, another one, yeah, Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison had ninety five. Then you come to Hines Ward

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Speaker 1: with seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wouldn't think he'd be I mean, those other guys

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Speaker 2: are elite touchdown producers of all time, especially Moss.

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Speaker 1: Then you get to Reggie Wayne with sixty nine. Remember

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Speaker 1: he only played three fewer games. He has seven fewer

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Speaker 1: or thirteen fewer games, seven fewer touchdowns. Then you get

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Speaker 1: to Tory Hold at sixty eight thirteen fewer games. Was

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Speaker 1: at eight fewer touchdowns. Chad Johnson sixty six touchdowns, Larry

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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald sixty five touchdowns in one hundred eight games. He's

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Speaker 1: obviously a Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say he's a touchdown producer too.

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Speaker 1: Mason, Chris Chambers, Plexico, Burist, Donald Driver, Santana Moss, Steve

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Speaker 1: Smith fifty two touchdowns in one hundred and thirty five games.

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Speaker 1: When we talked about the list on the list. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when we talked about the list, Oh, Steve Smith, Yeah

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Speaker 1: he'll get consideration. He gets consideration, and heines Ward does not.

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Speaker 1: Hines Ward's numbers eclipped Steve Smith over that time period.

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Speaker 2: Over those eleven years. Yeah, what I don't know off

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Speaker 2: the top of my head was what if he took

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Speaker 2: Steve Smith's best eleven years? You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like you do that for everybody?

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Speaker 1: Did Smith's in this time period played one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty five games. He had six hundred and twenty catches

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Speaker 1: on one thousand and sixty targets, so he's not really

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Speaker 1: even close. Yeah, these other dudes. The yardage per game,

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Speaker 1: he averaged sixty five point eight yards per game, Ward

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Speaker 1: average sixty three point six.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Wards numbers are definitely better than I would have guessed.

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Speaker 1: He also had four hundred and seventeen rushing yards, which

635
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Speaker 1: is way more than anybody also on this list as well.

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Speaker 2: He's also the best blocker on there.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, eighty more catches in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs for over one thousand yards and ten playoff touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Wow, he was ten interesting.

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Speaker 1: And then the Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, the MVP goes a long way too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he played in this decade.

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Speaker 2: I hope he'll brush off the blocking, but that's he

644
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Speaker 2: was like renowned for it, and you know, like that,

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Speaker 2: that goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: Over those seasons the Steelers, they finished in the top

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Speaker 1: ten in rushing seven times. Their average finish inverge in

648
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Speaker 1: rushing was tenth, Their average finish in passing was seventeenth.

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Speaker 1: They just did not throw the ball a lot in

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Speaker 1: many of those years make difference. There were a couple

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Speaker 1: of those years, the Tommy Gun year, for example, where

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Speaker 1: they were twenty ninth in rushing. They didn't even try

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Speaker 1: to run down and then they got back the next

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Speaker 1: year they're like second in the league in rushing. We're

655
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Speaker 1: just gonna run the ball every down and never throw it.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting stuff. I mean, because I do think

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Speaker 2: one of the most when you're doing historic things, hall

658
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: of fame things, I don't think necessarily lifetime stats are

659
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: as important as what you did against your contemporaries because

660
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: the game changes so very quickly.

661
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: It's different now than it was year. It's different now

662
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: than it was in two thousand and eight. Yeah, you

663
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: had to really twenty ten that year. His last year

664
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: was when the rules were kind of changed and you

665
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: couldn't go you know, you could go across the middle

666
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: and not worry about in your head taken off. Yeah yeah,

667
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

668
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Or I mean, really the COVID year three years ago,

669
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: scoring was way higher than it is now. I I mean,

670
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: things happened quick. So I do think it's really important.

671
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm not a baseball historian, but from what I understand,

672
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Bob Gibson's year where he had the legend e ra

673
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Well era was really low in the league that year too,

674
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: So yes, it's a great accomplishment. But it's not like

675
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: you did it in the Juice Bawl year or whatever,

676
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Or you know that guy

677
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 2: always go back to Babe Ruth. He had more home

678
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: runs than most teams.

679
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Like, right, that's unbelievable, that's amazing. Way yeah, that's way different.

680
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: That's way different. So the fact that you did that

681
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: against his exact contemporaries is pretty telling, you know.

682
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just look at it, and you

683
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: know the fact that he is never like he's been

684
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: in the final twenty five. Now, I think this is

685
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: like his eighth or ninety or whatever it is, it's

686
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: never made to cut the fifteen right yet some of

687
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: these other receivers, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson.

688
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: Tory hol Yeah.

689
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: Those four of all made the finals, and word can't sniff.

690
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: The fire, and it seems like it's a matter of

691
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: time before they get in. Yeah, but he's getting kind

692
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: of lumped with the Boldens of the world.

693
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: And he Here's so he played in that eleven year span,

694
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: played in five conference championship games. Yeah, won three of them,

695
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: and then two Super Bowls. Interesting, these all these other

696
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: guys were good. Yeah, Tory Holt won a Super Bowl,

697
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Steve Smith didn't, Reggie Wayne won a Super.

698
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: Bowl as they won, and Peyton Manning.

699
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson didn't.

700
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of good quarterbacks on those Warner

701
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: and Manning and these guys had good guys. But I

702
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: mean Ben as well, So it's not like he benefited

703
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: from a great quarterback. Well, they all kind of do well.

704
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing about it. From two thousand

705
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: to two thousand through two thousand and three, he Cordell

706
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: Stewart and Tommy Maddox throwing him the football.

707
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: Point. Yeah. Interesting, I think some things that hurt him,

708
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: and I don't think he was ever considered a top

709
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: three player at his position, or maybe even a top

710
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: three player on his team.

711
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: Here's the problem, we just went through it. He played

712
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: in an era with Randy Moss.

713
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Terry Joes I think is a top five.

714
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: Marvin har Erson was was around then, and he was

715
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: then Fitzgerald came in like.

716
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the problem with all these receivers.

717
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean, other than I'll give you Andre Johnson perhaps

718
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: being in that conversation, but Tory Holt was never considered

719
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: a top three guy.

720
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: I think Bruce was either or Smith.

721
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: Steve Smith, Reggie Reggie. Wayne was never the guy. No,

722
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: he always had to play second fiddle to Reggie went Actually.

723
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: Chad Johnson was for a year or two. Yeah, I mean,

724
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: he just doesn't have the body of work. But I

725
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: mean there was a stretch there it was like, Wow,

726
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: that guy's a Pop five Fantasy pick type of guy,

727
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you know, so that's interesting. I mean,

728
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: I still don't think he passes a sniff test for

729
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, but I think he should at least

730
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: be lumped with that group you're talking.

731
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I think he at least deserves to be in that

732
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: final fifteen where you can talk about this.

733
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you can at least make the case.

734
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's here's how it works here. So you trim

735
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: this down to twenty five, and then the voters, the

736
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: fifty voters will go into room and they'll be given

737
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: the list and they'll know it ahead of time. Obviously. Sure,

738
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: here are the fifteen guys that we're going to talk about.

739
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: You don't talk about all twenty five.

740
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: You don't talk about the twenty five. Wards never even

741
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: manted to that list of fifteen to have his case,

742
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: the case made for him.

743
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: He's always been on the cutter and floor. Yeah, you know,

744
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: so he never gets somebody to he doesn't have a

745
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 2: lawyer out there stay in his case for him. Yeah.

746
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: Where these other guys have all made it there.

747
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: They haven't gotten in yet, but nobody's been made a

748
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: strong enough case to get him in, right. I Mean,

749
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a presenter's fault, but you know,

750
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: it's tough to get in. It's interesting because they've gone

751
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: into the ring and lost time and time again, right,

752
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: but they still keep getting invited, you know, as opposed

753
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: to let somebody else take a crack. Yeah, it'd be

754
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: interesting to say. I'm curious. I know you're only in

755
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: there one year, and I probably never even came up.

756
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: But do you think his blocking carries a lot of weight?

757
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: It should?

758
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: It should. I mean, there's a reason they were such

759
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: a good rushing team. He's you know, it helps to

760
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: have great offensive lineman a great back too, but wide

761
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: receiver blocking downfield results in long runs. Plus he has

762
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: so many highlights, you know, like they changed leaders, they

763
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: changed a rule for him exactly. I'm not saying he's

764
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: mel blunt, but when you get rule change for you,

765
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: that's a historical time. That's a historical change in the league.

766
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: And just think about I mean the big games, yeah,

767
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: that he played in.

768
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean all the Ravens games.

769
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: Everybody was watching those games, and he was the focal

770
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: point of those. I mean, he was one under the

771
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: focal point of those Ravens games.

772
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean they if.

773
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: You, if you believe everything, and I do, they had

774
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: a bounty out on him.

775
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: He was their least favorite sealer. Oh would you say?

776
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, even all the defensive guys and Harrison

777
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: and all.

778
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: The defense, which was really good. One of the blood.

779
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and he took them out of their

780
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: I meant he got his ounce of blood too, out

781
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: of the Ravens.

782
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean he was a big that that That rivalry

783
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: and I saw every one of them in person, is

784
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: easily the best rivalry in football over the last twenty years.

785
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think anybody in the thirty two teams

786
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: would fight you on that.

787
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: No. I mean every one of those games from like

788
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: two thousand, pick a year, but through like twenty ten

789
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: to twenty eleven.

790
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, yeah.

791
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: It was must see TV every every single time.

792
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all e Form or Fraser, you know,

793
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: I mean that type of thing.

794
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: There's a reason all those games were you know, primetime

795
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 1: games and uh, you know.

796
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: There was like a four year stretch where the legion

797
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: of Boom versus San fran was.

798
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Really really good, but it didn't last.

799
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't like this. It didn't go on

800
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: a decade or you know that long. And you know

801
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: the same coaches for that long and all that stuff too.

802
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: And I think you're right. I mean it's the best

803
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: one of the two thousands. Yeah, yeah, I think. So

804
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: let's carry some way too, because they're both really high

805
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: quality opponents.

806
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and the other thing that I'll say about that. Okay,

807
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: so at this point we know Roethlisberger is going to

808
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: go in the Hall of Fame. Yes, the Steelers have

809
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Paula Malu, Jerome's in. Jerome was in, but Jerome kind

810
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: of you know, they had his was kind of predated that.

811
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: But he Yes, he did contributions in four and five

812
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: Fanica fanic goes in. But he only played on one

813
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: of those super Bowl teams. Yeah, so it's kind of

814
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: the same argument that the Patriots guys had. Well, this

815
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: was just Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and a bunch

816
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: of slappies. Well, now they get Seymour in.

817
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: We're not just going to put the quarterback and coach in.

818
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: There's other contributors here.

819
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: That he had a six year stretch where the Steelers

820
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: went to three Super Bowls and won two of them.

821
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: They're probably the best team in the league for six years.

822
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: Stratch and Hines Ward was on all those teams.

823
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, instrumental.

824
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: No, um, the you know, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won

825
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: one Super Bowl.

826
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they rubbed me a little wrong.

827
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: They got like five guys in from that one.

828
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: Super Bowl team including coach Dongee. I'm not saying any

829
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: of them don't deserve it, but they were kind of

830
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: a pop heavy roster too, you know, like, I don't

831
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: know Lynch should a go. I mean, they won one

832
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: super Bowl. You were good player, but I mean I

833
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: don't know you're special.

834
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean you're telling me that that's that Steeler.

835
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call it a dynasty, but it's

836
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of a mini dynasty type thing there where you

837
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: you win. You know, you go to three and six

838
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: years and you win two of them. I mean, you're

839
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: a top five team every year. Yeah, and you get

840
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: two or three guys in.

841
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, hear what you're saying, and he would be next, right.

842
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's deserving, you know, I think

843
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: Harrison deserves. I mean, Harrison at least made the cut

844
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: to fifteen. I think last year I can't remember, I

845
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: don't Maybe I'm wrong about that, but.

846
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: You're an interesting case at least deserve to be.

847
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: Talked about in that.

848
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think that you can definitely convince

849
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: me on that. I would love you whom whoever, to

850
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: at least get up in front of the panel and

851
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: say a lot of stuff. He just said, maybe you

852
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: throw a highlight tape at him blasting defensive backs and

853
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: the run game and stuff like that too, and be like,

854
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: maybe we're not looking at him at the right light.

855
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: It's a football player, you know. Ro football Hall of

856
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: Fame is supposed to be for the best football players.

857
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: I understand.

858
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: How many passes did he complete in his career? Too? Several?

859
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean he can throw the football, and yeah.

860
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: He played special team and was really good at it.

861
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: The carries too, you know, right, it's not just oh yeah,

862
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: this many catches and this may touch on catches, so

863
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: he should be.

864
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: In you know, that's the and that's the problem that

865
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you run into at the wide receiver position. And I

866
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: understand statue. It can't just be the Hall of Fame

867
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks, wide receivers and running backs.

868
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: No, but but if you do more than just that.

869
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: See this is just a side note. This really doesn't

870
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: much to do with Ward, but the Mosses and Tyreeks,

871
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: they have so much value in that even when I

872
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: don't get the football, I have immense value. Ye, Like,

873
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of somebody that those two are

874
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: both going to the Hall of fame. I'm as already in.

875
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: But the Lord's in that conversation because when he didn't.

876
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: Get the football, he did in different ways.

877
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: He did it in different ways, but he still impacted

878
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: the game, impacted the game in a big way.

879
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: That's why I was kind of thinking through it is,

880
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: how do you You can't quantify it, but he Pickens

881
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: or Johnson or whoever. Every receiver in league basically they

882
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: can jog through a route on a run play or

883
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: even if they're not getting the football on the other side,

884
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: and it happens every game all the time. Well, if

885
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: Randy Moss is screaming down the sideline and knows he's

886
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: not getting the ball and two guys are on him

887
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: and you're playing ten on nine because of it, well

888
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: that has immense value. But it never shows up on

889
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: the back of his football card, you know what I mean.

890
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: And I do think Ward has some of that, but

891
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: in a different manner.

892
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I just think he affected the game in

893
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: the way that he affected the game, led the wins, led.

894
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: The wins exactly, Yeah, and also has a ripple effect.

895
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: And not that he's alone in that, I mean in

896
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: the locker room and making those around him better in

897
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: the leadership, and Sears could use highs Ward right now

898
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: on that, you know what I mean, Like throw him

899
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball and his six

900
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: or seventh year and knows how to win in this

901
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: league and is a positive influence. I mean, they'd kill

902
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: for that guy right now.

903
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of teams were.

904
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: Every team, but yeah, so the Chiefs would do them

905
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, right.

906
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Anyways, I just thought that was interesting when I was

907
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: digging into it a little bit here, because.

908
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bild that too. I'm immediately Nah, I love them, but.

909
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I didn't realize. I didn't think his numbers

910
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: would stand up that well to everybody, to all the

911
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: other guys.

912
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Colts guys and the Rams guys threw

913
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: the ball a ton in domes. Yeah, there's also a

914
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: weather thing too. Yeah, there is a weather factor there.

915
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: You never know. We're talking about that.

916
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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening

917
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918
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Speaker 2: I know she's not listening, but I think we get

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Speaker 2: the wife. Something might get the sun to the jersey

931
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: for the sun, you know, something dig into that here

932
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Speaker 2: in the coming days too.

933
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Speaker 1: There you go. Uh, So, Matt, yesterday's games, the Buffalo

934
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: Kansas City game ends on a well it didn't end

935
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: on it, but the the pivotal play the Kadarius Tony

936
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: lines up off sides. Yeah, I mean by yard. There

937
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: was a report out there that he had checked with

938
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: the official Andy Reid came out today and said no

939
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: he didn't. Probably, oh no I did it. And then

940
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: really look at the tape and no, you didn't. We

941
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: get the whole We get the coaches tape right here.

942
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: Off side?

943
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you so, I saw a stat offensive off side

944
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: has been called twelve times this year. It was called

945
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: twice all of last year.

946
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know if you caught that, Like I

947
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: think so. I kind of think both people were right

948
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: in that. Mahomes is like flipping out of mind and

949
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: he's being immature about it and fine, you know, he's

950
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: kind of being.

951
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: Like he walked up to Josh Allen after the game.

952
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: I saw that part. You're congratulating Josh Allen. Hey, hey,

953
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: good game, good get Yeah, that was the worst call

954
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, Like, yeah, dude, I'm trying to congratulate

955
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: you here.

956
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: But you know, how about say, hey, guys on the wind? Right?

957
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of takes on it, honestly

958
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: in that I think Mahomes has somewhat of a point

959
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: in that, Hey, for my whole career, that was never

960
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: really called, you know, or it was corrected beforehand.

961
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if the league's.

962
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: Or if a memo, yeah right, does every coaching quarterback

963
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: and wide receiver know well it is now because it's illegal,

964
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean, and it is illegal and what Tony did

965
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: was illegal.

966
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: And I mean if it's been called twelve times now,

967
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: that means it's been called about once per per week,

968
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: per week. Yeah, and we saw it called against the

969
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: Steelers on a field goal try.

970
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, good point, good point. So don't do it.

971
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: For one thing, I mean, it's illegal a line upright,

972
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of the things that it's not

973
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: like holding where I got beat, or pass interference where

974
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: the circumstances change and your in motion and you have

975
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: to adjust lineup. We're supposed to line up, obviously, But

976
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: I really think what all that is is Mahomes just

977
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: saying I want to scream at Tony and all my

978
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: receivers not named Kelsey and Rice, and we can't do it,

979
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: and I can't do it, so I have to that.

980
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: That's what when they initially showed him threaking out on

981
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: the sidelines last night, That's what I thought he was doing.

982
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: And I don't think he wants to embarrass his teammates,

983
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: but I think he wants to strangle them all right now,

984
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: to be very honest with you.

985
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: Because every downfield Kelsey and Rashi Rice.

986
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those guys aren't deep threats like everything that's

987
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: intermediate or deeper is gone from the Chiefs right now.

988
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: And it's always guys running the wrong routes and palms

989
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: in the air and I don't know or I broke

990
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: the wrong way or valve the scantling. They lead the

991
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: league and drops I think like.

992
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty three including twenty three twenty two from the

993
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: wide receivers.

994
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: Wow, so wow, And you know he's getting the guy's

995
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: touching the ball besides Rice and Kelsey or Clyde Edwards,

996
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Hilaire Pacheco, dudes that are borderline, you know, McKinnon, you know,

997
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: guys like that. And but Checko's hurt. I mean, he's

998
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: not even a mix. I will say this, it's frustrating.

999
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: I bet no team watching that game last night, no

1000
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: team gets away with their offensive tackles not lining up

1001
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: on a line of scrimmage where they're supposed to be

1002
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: at more than the Chiefs.

1003
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: What they're doing is bonker.

1004
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: If you look at the video or the still shots

1005
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: right tackle. Yeah, the still shots of the play where

1006
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: he's lined up Tony's lineup off sides. If you look

1007
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: at that, the offensive tackles head is supposed to be

1008
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: at the waist of the center. Yes, I bet it's

1009
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: it's not even close. He's not even close to it.

1010
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget which Monday night or Sunday night game

1011
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: where it was just time and time again.

1012
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: They have it's again. It's a flying v for them. Yeah,

1013
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: and they're the only and it gets away with that.

1014
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't understand that.

1015
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: And some of my buddies had this point, which true

1016
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 2: or not, but I think it is. I'm not sure

1017
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: anybody in the Mahomes era has gotten more calls than

1018
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: the chiefs. I mean a couple of little things here

1019
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: and there that have really gone their way. I'm not

1020
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: saying there's a conspiracy theory. There isn't that Mahomes is

1021
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: the best player I've ever.

1022
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: Seen things tend even out over there.

1023
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean so you had a setback. I

1024
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: mean you didn't get a break for the first time,

1025
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Golden boy. It's okay, you You'll be fine.

1026
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: I will say, had they scored on the on the

1027
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: play where that he was lined up off sides, yeah,

1028
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: the lateral and yeah, Kelsey would have gone down. That

1029
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: would have been like when we haven't mentioned this, but

1030
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: Frank Wycheck died over the weekend the Music City Miracle.

1031
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: They would have had a name for it.

1032
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: They would have been a name for that lateral.

1033
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: I wonder if Taylor Swift that wasn't a set of

1034
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: play see, I don't know about that.

1035
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: They may have done it in practice once or twice.

1036
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was an option like if you

1037
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: if it dawns on you, like, hey, receiver.

1038
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: But I don't think they. I don't think they went

1039
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: into that place and here's what we're gonna do.

1040
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: No. I don't either, But I do think, especially because

1041
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: that game in their creativity, that maybe it was if

1042
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: you get in trouble, feel free Travis, like they don't

1043
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: want Rice throwing it or about a scantling, you know

1044
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1045
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: Like, I bet that's a dangerous play.

1046
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: It's a dangerous play.

1047
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: But when he throw it backwards, I'm like, what is

1048
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: he doing?

1049
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: What is he doing? It was pretty cool though, Yeah,

1050
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: I mean it's we got kind of robbed that it's

1051
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: not an official play now. Yeah, it was a great one,

1052
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I mixed feelings about it. Part

1053
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: of me also thinks Mahomes is having a very good year.

1054
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: Did we just poke the bear and he's just gonna

1055
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: take it up a level? Too. I mean maybe, but

1056
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: I think.

1057
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: He's supporting matter though. Yeah, I don't know if it's

1058
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: gonna matter, because I mean unless he just starts funneling

1059
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: the ball completely through Kelsey and right Rashi Rice what else.

1060
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: They got and Kelsey is not quite what he used

1061
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: to do. No, he's not, I mean all credit. I mean,

1062
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: I don't think it's Taylor Swiss fault or whatever. He's

1063
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: getting older, you know, and he's got all the field

1064
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: of interest and I only he's got be in the

1065
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: league much longer. He's not quite what he used to

1066
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: be in. Rice is ascending, but not fast enough. Yeah,

1067
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: so we'll see. But their tackles aren't great either.

1068
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: They could have easily been called for lining up. They

1069
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: should probably start off the line up. Yeah, it's getting

1070
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: bad anyways. That's gonna damage. Yeah, that's gonna do it

1071
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: for our number one on the drive, Matt and I

1072
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: will be back with our number two right after this