1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Ruby. Hi, I'm Rick Schwartz, but us the world, I'm 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Marco went. 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to Amazing Wildlife, where we explore unique stories of 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: wildlife from around the world and uncovered fascinating animal facts. 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: And this podcast is in production with iHeartRadio's Ruby Studio 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: and San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance, an international nonprofit conservation 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: organization which oversees the San Diego Zoo and this beautiful place, 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: the San Diego Zoo Safari Park. 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: Horses are pretty. 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 2: Rick horses are not only pretty, but they're pretty amazing. 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I think they're definitely amazing. 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: What an awesome day to day we get to be 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: at the Safari Park. They get to be in the 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 3: back of a widelife care specialist truck. 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: It's always a good time. 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a leap from our last episode 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: a little bit. We are in all in the science 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: so the Frozen. 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just laughing because you know all the prep 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: that the poor crew had to do to be in 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: the back of a truck or Amanda in the back there, 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: if everyone could see a really good time. But that 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: reminds me. Listen to see, right, we got the visual 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: components keep an eye out. Hopefully you'll checking out on 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: YouTube right follow zoology rickog Marco. Thank you, sir, but 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: we're here to follow up right because, like you said, 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: we were with the curator of the Frozen Zoo the 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: last episode. 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in that story that also linked back to 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: our last episode from the previous season where we talked 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: to doctor Oliver Ryder where he talked also a lot 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: about the importance of the Frozen Zoo and how we're 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: seeing genetic bottlenecks to certain species, and these pretty amazing 34 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: horses behind us having a lot to do with that. 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: It's really a great example of how the frozens who 36 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: can support them and make changes in the world. So 37 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: before we go any further with it, let's welcome in 38 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: our guest, Amanda, who's admiring the beautiful horses behind us. 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: How are you today, Hi. 40 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 4: I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Oh we're so excited too, I mean, especially for this 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: amazing animal. 43 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: We haven't even said the name yet. 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: Say right, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's another name for it 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: is I know, I really love the other ones, by 46 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: the way, because I know you're going to talk about it, 47 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: but you know, the Chavalski's horse is named after a 48 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: gentleman from Russia, like right, exploring Mongolia. 49 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, yes, but they're known by many other names. 50 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: They are they are right, Mongolian Wildrrian. 51 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: Wild horses, Asian wild horses. Here in the States, we 52 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 4: refer to them as the Preswolski wild horse. 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: I get it, But I would like this to kind 54 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: of remind the world that, you know, there's so many 55 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: other diversities of language, right. I actually am a big 56 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: fan of the word taki. So it's the traditional name, right, 57 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: and it means a holy horse or spirit, which is 58 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: pretty apro bo. I mean when you look at these 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: amazing animals, right, I mean the only wild horse is. 60 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: That, right? 61 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: Yes, the only truly wild horse. And I'm so glad 62 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 4: that you brought up that name Taki. I love that. 63 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: And this horse is from the Mongolian step and the 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 4: Mongolian people are so proud. It is such a point 65 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: of pride for them. And the success of their reintroduction, 66 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: which I'm sure you learned about and we'll talk about 67 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: is a big part of it is because of the 68 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 4: people of Mongolia. 69 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: I love that people and nature are always interconnected, so 70 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: I always like to give respect to all that, so 71 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: thank you for bringing that up. But I was just thinking, 72 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: you know, before we really get the conversation started, can 73 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: you describe to our listeners for those who are able 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: to see this animal yet in their own lives, like 75 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: what does it look like? 76 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Where are they from? Will make some unique Yeah? 77 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, not a lot of people get the 78 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 4: chance to see one of these animals up close and 79 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: in person. And I think if you're familiar with domestic horses, 80 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: you probably have an image in your mind of you know, 81 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: really tall, sleek, dark, different color variations. The I'll call 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: them pea horse. Okay, I'm their care specialists, so they 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 4: give me. 84 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: A little bit of. 85 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: Amanda. Yeah, but yes, they look a little bit different. 86 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: They they are quite a bit shorter, so big size difference. 87 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: They typically like max out around seven hundred pounds or 88 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 4: a little bit heavier. But they're stout, stocky, really thick neck, 89 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: very spiky, short mane exactly, and they lack a forelock 90 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: like other wild types of equid zebras donkeys domestic horses. 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 4: They have that kind of like a long bang and 92 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: the front fore lock. And you'll notice that the pea 93 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: horses behind me, they don't have that, just a really 94 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: short spiky mane. Their coloration's very uniform, so it's called 95 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: a dune coloration. This kind of like a washed out 96 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 4: chestnut light color. It's so beautiful, with a big black 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: dorsal stripe down their back and dark mane tail legs. 98 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 4: One thing that you'll notice they have water known as 99 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 4: spider markings. So these are also AFRA to as primitive markings, 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: but they are things like that dorsal stripe, the fact 101 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 4: that you would see in a more wild species stripes 102 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 4: on their legs, little bands on their legs like a zebra. 103 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: And what's really special is that some of the members 104 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: of our herd behind me have these shoulder patches that 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 4: are genetic and they're passed down within their families. So 106 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 4: you'll notice that in our three females behind us, their 107 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: shoulder patches kind of look like the state of Florida before. 108 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: Isn't that so cool? And what's so interesting is that 109 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: viider markings are non symmetrical spots. They're kind of blatchy, 110 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 4: but they are symmetrical on both sides of their body. 111 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: That's wild, really yes, like visual identifying us within the herd, 112 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: you think or do we know? 113 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I do know that it's a specific 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 4: gene that is passed down from parents, and so we 115 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: have a family group behind us. We have Nikki is 116 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: the oldest, the matriarch, she's twenty one years old, her 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: daughter Gal who's almost sweet sixteen, and then Gal's daughter 118 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 4: and Nikki's granddaughter, Galan, who's two years old, and they 119 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 4: all have. 120 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: I love that. That's awesome. It's funny. 121 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: It reminds you like I tend to when I'm not 122 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: paying attention, watch TV a little to. 123 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: My right, to the side of my eye. 124 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: And then one day I noticed my cousins all of 125 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: us doing the same thing, and they're really weird to 126 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: be out. 127 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: But it speaks to genetics, right, Yes, it. 128 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: All comes back to genetics totally. 129 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: Rather but also like they referred to as like the 130 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: only wild horse, what does that mean? 131 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: What's that about? 132 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question and pretty confusing. So obviously 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 4: they differ to domestic horses in their physical appearance, their temperament, 134 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: but also their genetics. 135 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard about that when we were talking to 136 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: all Yeah, he was staying there right. 137 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: Sixty sixty six I think, yeah, I remember, right, right, 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: and sixty four for domestic exactly. 139 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: And so what that means is that they are so 140 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: distantly related to domestic hourses we think that they probably 141 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: diverged from them between like one hundred and sixty thousand 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: years ago to you know, maybe like eighty thousand years ago, 143 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 4: somewhere in that window. And the reason that we know 144 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: that they're not the ancestor to domestic courses and vice 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: versa is because they have a different number of chromosomes, 146 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: and that's just gonna happen. 147 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: So the shared ancestor somewhere back there, deep deep in 148 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: the history of the planet, the shared answers, they. 149 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: Diverged and they've been separate for a long time. 150 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, And I remember reading too that some 151 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: people might feel, what about the wild horses that run 152 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: the mustangs here in the US, But they're all basically 153 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: at one point where domestic horses that got out and 154 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: learned to live on their own in the wild. So 155 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: they aren't a true wild species that's native there. They 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: were actually brought in from the European domestic species eons 157 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: ago or whenever it was. 158 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: And I was regretting about then sometimes they even have 159 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: to set so many flee these animals, so they're not 160 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: technically a native species of the US. 161 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: So something to think about. 162 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: But the pea horse is right from that beautiful area, 163 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: really habitat, wouldn't you say, Like, yeah, can you describe it. 164 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: For a little. 165 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: So they're from the Eurasian step, the Mongolian step, which 166 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: is like a high elevation grasslands, and it can be 167 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: really harsh conditions at times, so it gets really hot 168 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: during the summer times. It gets really hot here and 169 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: then very cold. And as a result of these like 170 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 4: high temperature extremes, the environment there goes through a lot 171 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: of changes and it can be difficult to find food. 172 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: So the pea horses are a little bit more adaptable 173 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: than a domestic horse and what they'll be able to eat. 174 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: So they will primarily graze as you're seeing, but they 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 4: also do a little bit of browsing the little forbs 176 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: and plants well during different seasons. 177 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: Like whatever you can get right, because it changes so much, Yes, 178 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: water to. 179 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 4: Water that is I'm so glad you brought that up, 180 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 4: because that's kind of like the limiting factor for. 181 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, vallid point right, Yeah. 182 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 4: And so what's interesting about them is, I know we 183 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 4: haven't really gone to but when they went extinct in 184 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: the wild, the last remaining free living pea horses in 185 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 4: the late nineteen sixties were pushed so far out of 186 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 4: the step into the Gobi Desert, and that is where 187 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: the last pea horses were when they went extinct in 188 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: the wild. 189 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: More of an extreme when you think about it, just 190 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: to avoid human conflict and. 191 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: Land aggregation, competition, hunting, and predation from wolves, I mean, I. 192 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: Mean natural, right, but then you throw in all the 193 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: human aspect. 194 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's worth I mean you since 195 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: you mentioned it, let's bring it up. This species has 196 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: done well with the assistance of zoos and the assistance 197 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: of our friends of the Frozen Zoo most recently, right, 198 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: But that is because there was a point in the 199 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 2: late sixties early seventies they were actually extinct. 200 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: In the wild. 201 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, completely extirpated from the wild. And it's one 202 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 4: of these really incredible stories and huge source of pride 203 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: for everyone who works and managed care and sciences. There 204 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: was very small group of just over a dozen pew 205 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: horses in European zoos and because of that small population, 206 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: that was carefully managed by pairing certain individuals and keeping 207 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 4: a really diverse group of genes in the animals that 208 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: they did have. They built up the population. They worked 209 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: to make sure there was a space for them to 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 4: go back to, because that's a huge part of conservation. 211 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 4: You have to address the issues that took them out. 212 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: I mean, we always say, like, we would love, as 213 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: people in a zoo setting to be out of a job, 214 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: right if all these animals could thrive in these beautiful 215 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: native habitat. But it's sad to say that that's not 216 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: the case for so many species too. So really good 217 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: that we have these breeding programs under human care to 218 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: help out all these species. 219 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: I just can't imagine being in that time period of 220 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: the late sixties early seventies, being in animal care, being 221 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: either in the zoo world or qology or biology, and 222 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: recognizing that this species is now gone from the wild, 223 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: and they kind of looking around, going, wait a minute, 224 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: there's some in the zoos there in Europe, and there's 225 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: some in the zoos in America. There's some way we 226 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: got so they're not gone gone. We have a chance, 227 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: you know. And then they started the process which you 228 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 2: Manna mentioned, which is that being very selected with the 229 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: breeding process and all of that. And doctor Oliver Ryder 230 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: mentioned that in our interview with him last season. How 231 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: even with that though, it did create sort of this 232 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: genetic challenge with the population. Now since that time, since 233 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: being extinct in the wild, they have been reintroduced back 234 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: into a safe space and they went from being listed 235 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: as extinct in the wild to oh yeah, we were talking. 236 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: About they went from being extinct in the world to 237 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 4: repatriated in certain areas of Mongolia, whose Dai National Park 238 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 4: is kind of their stronghold where a lot of those 239 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 4: zoo born Prezovski horses, eighty four of them were airlifted 240 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: dropped into the park. 241 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, not that visual. Yeah, no, kids, we cannot 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: drop horses. 243 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were delivered carefully into the park. And what's 244 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: so great is that the reverence the Mongolian people have 245 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: for animals. Horses are very important to the history horses, yes, 246 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: and the TALKI the pea horses, and so they were 247 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 4: very on board for having this special space designated for 248 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: the pea horses. And so now we've talked about like 249 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 4: downlisting classification, which there are so few animals that were 250 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 4: privileged enough to say, like, because of human efforts and 251 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: actions and mitigation, they've gone from extinct in the wild 252 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 4: to critically endangered to now endangered. So it's trending, trending 253 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: the right directions so much, and we're so happy to 254 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 4: be a part of it. 255 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: And with that, I think this is such an important 256 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: part of the story for this species, but other species 257 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: as well, And I want people to understand who are 258 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: watching or listening that it was a late sixties, early 259 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: seventies they were extinct and now here we are fifty 260 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: sixty years later, and it's weird to say only endangered, 261 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: but to go from critically endangered to endangered. This trend 262 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: is showing us that conservation is a long game. It's 263 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: a long process. It does work. But with that, even 264 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: while it is working and we're slowly seeing them come 265 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: down off that excruciating and painfulness to see animals on, 266 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean we stop doing the work. And that 267 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: brings us back then into our conversation with doctor Rider 268 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: and Merrily's Holker, curator of the Frozen Zoo, how the 269 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: genetics a certain animal that have been saved from fifty 270 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: sixty more years ago can now be such an important part. 271 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: So just to touch on real quick, not part of 272 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: this herd, but elsewhere in the fire park, we have 273 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: two males that are cloned from an individual whose genes 274 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: did not exist until they were born, so his genetics 275 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: weren't in the population on the planet yet like fifty 276 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: years ago, it was right, It was right when he 277 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: passed away, and they saved his genetics. Now thanks to 278 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: the Frozen Zoo, they can help diversify those genes of 279 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: the hurt that we have here in the US or 280 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: anywhere Elselse boys might go. And it's so important to 281 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: understand the tie between the science we talked about in 282 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: our last episode and the conservation work that people have 283 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: done in zoo's and to see that now the Taki being, 284 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: although still endangered, trending in the right direction because we 285 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: have a better understanding about these animals went extinct due 286 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: to human behavior and then human behavior can bring them 287 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: back and change that. I think it's so important. I 288 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: really appreciate that part of the story here of these. 289 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: Sources now, I love it, and it runs them like community, right. 290 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: It takes a village, it takes out of the community, 291 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: it takes our. 292 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: Science seems to amazing. 293 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: Kudos to the science team, but also mad props to 294 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: a wildlife care specialists. You are out here, you are sweating, 295 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: you're taking care of all these habits ads. But you know, 296 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: I remember, I love coming home sweaty and stinky, and 297 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: you know, knowing that I did really, really good work. 298 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: So again, big big kudahs all the stuff that you're doing. 299 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: It's like, what like over one hundred and sixty right, baby, 300 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: two horses have been born at the Zoo and Safari Park. 301 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, And I love what you said. It takes 302 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 4: a whole world does One thing I wanted to mention is, 303 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 4: and you guys have talked about our work has never done. 304 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: We're still doing all of this stuff. We're still managing 305 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: the stud books and making sure it's a diverse population. Nikki, 306 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: our oldest female here is from Zurich. She came to 307 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: us all the way from Zurich, and so that's kind 308 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: of an interesting thing to think about, how we're still 309 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 4: working all over the planet to make sure that this 310 00:15:53,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: population is demographically stable, genetically diverse. But yeah, I'm just 311 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 4: so honored to be a part of it. I love 312 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: working with these horses. We've had over one hundred and 313 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: sixty folds. We're very hopeful to have a couple more 314 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 4: this year, so check back with us. But we've had 315 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: them in a breeding situation, and so yes, we're excited 316 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 4: to see our herd grow again. 317 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: I got distract the demand move. 318 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: I thought one of the people was just really close 319 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: to but you were telling me that wicked personalities. 320 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: But they're also a little feisty. 321 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: But you gotta be feisty if you're a taki or 322 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: a pea horse, right. Can you talk a little bit 323 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: about like their social dynamics not in the wild, how 324 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: do they go about? 325 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: Are they alone or are they social? 326 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: Like? 327 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: What's their tea? Tell me the absolutely. 328 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: I'd love to spell. Okay, So in the wild, they 329 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: would be found in sort of like small nomadic groupings, 330 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: typically comprised of like a group of mayors, group of females. 331 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Kind of like what we're saying, yes. 332 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 4: They're offspring, and then maybe one stallion like the leader 333 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 4: of the hair on their call. And then separate from 334 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: that there are small bachelor groups. So we have that 335 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: exact situation happening. 336 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 3: Point out, like you're doing exactly what their social dynamics 337 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: would be doing out in the wild, which. 338 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Is really cool. 339 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: And so that's the best way for us to set 340 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: them up for success and to help our younger males 341 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 4: learn how to become stallions and grow up in a 342 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 4: place that is safe for them to goof around and 343 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: get big and strong. 344 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: I mean, they got to fight a little bit, right 345 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: because they got it prepared to around. See what just happening, 346 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: you guys, I'm always waiting, joke, A man is shaking 347 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 3: your head. 348 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: Now, that was pretty good. Give me some talking. That 349 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: was solid, all right. 350 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: I really think it's important to what you guys have 351 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: talked about in the sense of just reiterating. A lot 352 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: of times, I think the general public we've been misled 353 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: to believe that, oh, you put a male and female 354 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: together and you get a family, and you make more 355 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: that way, and you just keeping together and they're fine. 356 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: Where it's that understanding the natural behavior that we need 357 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: those boys to be separate for a little bit. Those 358 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: young guys need to learn from the older guys how 359 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: to be stallion because it's important for the dynamic of 360 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: the entire species of the herd of how they're going 361 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: to interact. So often at zoos here at fire Park's 362 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: a great example. You have a heard of females, and 363 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: you might go, why only females, how can you make more? Well, 364 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: the boys are often a separate bachelor heard somewhere because 365 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: they only there might be only certain times a year 366 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: that they're actually come together as a whole group. So 367 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: it's a great way to remind people, so say our 368 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: young listeners that it's about observing the behaviors to understand 369 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: what they need instead of just assuming we know what 370 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: they need and then working with them constantly, working with 371 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: them as a wildlifecare specialist, not just coming up to 372 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: feed and clean, but really understanding every little bit of 373 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: their behavior, the group behavior as well, and how that 374 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: social structure is so important to each species. 375 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they have, even within these smaller group beings, 376 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: a very complex hierarchy of dominance, and so that's something 377 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 4: that we have to take into account. So with domestic courses, 378 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: they certainly have usually bigger groups of horses, like either 379 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 4: wild mustangs or when people have them at a ranch, 380 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 4: it's usually like a bigger grouping of horses than you 381 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: might see with like this waw species, and those groupings 382 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 4: and dominant hierarchies are influenced by humans, you know. They 383 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: put those in place. Pea horses. They're duking it out 384 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 4: with them. 385 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: They don't care what you do. We're going to take 386 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: care of this. 387 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 4: And it's always changing. They're always as they age, as 388 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 4: they have babies, as animals move in, and as sources 389 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: and so. Another difference is they're much more physical, gregarious, 390 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 4: aggressive than a domestic words. 391 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: That's normal, right, It's normal for them. 392 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 4: That's how they are. 393 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: It makes you think like condor sometimes and I see 394 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: people like there, I tell them like, oh, these who 395 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: have known each other for years, but then one just 396 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: turns around and just bites another one in the lag 397 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: or valley. 398 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: But like that's just a condor being a condor, you know, 399 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: talk to each other and being tough on each other 400 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 2: like that helps strengthen the third. They've got to deal 401 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: with predators in the wild. You don't want somebody to 402 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: herd who can't handle those things. So we look at 403 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: that sometimes the outside is well that seems so mean 404 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: and so nu but it's how they have to survive. 405 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: It's what has gotten them to where they are today. 406 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: It runs every episode with meerkats our first episode. You 407 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: know you stress right now, you stresses a lot of factors. 408 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 3: You know, they are more individualistic, less social as we 409 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: would like to think, kind of run to the pea horses. Honestly, 410 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: earlier you were telling me managing a population like. 411 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things involved. 412 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: You know, I'm a big fan of behavior and you 413 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: were telling me there's you also do some behavioral nuances, 414 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: shaping certain behaviors to help on their every day Yeah, 415 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: you speak a little bit about lately. 416 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 4: So what's hard about managing herds and their everyday care 417 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: is that they want to be together. There heard it's 418 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: hard to get one to peel away in a way 419 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: that doesn't stress them out. And then the pew horses 420 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: are incredibly jealous of one another. So if I'm trying 421 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 4: to look at one female, a more dominant female is 422 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 4: going to come over and be like, I don't think 423 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: so this attention is for me. 424 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: So we've had we've all had that one friend right about. 425 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, So we've had to be creative and we've looked 426 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 4: at how other groups of animals are managed and are 427 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 4: kind of similarly. We look to our friends over on 428 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: the elephant Wildlife Care Specialist team, and we were like, hey, 429 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: they have one person working with each elephant, and that's 430 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: important for groups of animals of strong prominence and hierarchy. 431 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: Let's try this here. And so we work with the 432 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 4: horses every day on training different behaviors that help us 433 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 4: to give them medical. 434 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: Care the way they. 435 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 4: Can and it reduces their stress so much. They're very 436 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: willing to interact with us. They love attention. But it's 437 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 4: that shared language where we can understand, like, hey, you 438 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 4: specific gal or Balon or Nicktine, you're going to be 439 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: with me, Amanda best friend, your favorite. 440 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Care specialist, favorite human. 441 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna be with me. I need you to 442 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: peel away from the group. We're gonna go over here. 443 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 4: I want you to turn left, turn right, face down 444 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: the middle, let me see your foot, those kind of things. 445 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, yeah, I understand, Yeah, all right, 446 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 4: and then that's it. It's so much better when we 447 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 4: can work together. It's better for them. It's a great 448 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 4: way to connect and build relationships. So we love that. 449 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing, you know. I love being able to 450 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: do that. And it's almost like a way of communicating 451 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: right to another species. So Coude is for that, that's 452 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: what it's amazing. 453 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: It's cool. 454 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, since you were talking about the care side of 455 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: it and that I do know. We have a lot 456 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: of young listeners and families that listen to this podcast, 457 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: and it's always fun to ask our guests how did 458 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: you get into this? So we talk a lot just 459 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: now about the training as an example, so you have 460 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: to understand behavior and training. A lot of us learn 461 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: on the jobs and go to school for it. It 462 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: is work, it's hard labor, but it's also emotionally rewarding too. 463 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: How did you first step into the process of now 464 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: we're taking care of these amazing horses. 465 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 4: No, right, it's pretty great. I from when I was 466 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 4: a little kid always wanted to work with animals. 467 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 468 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 4: I grew up in Tom Springs area and I used 469 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: to come here when I was a little kid and 470 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 4: in high school and I was like, I want to 471 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: work here someday. How can I get here? It's my dream? 472 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: And so I went to college. I've got my degree 473 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: in zoology, my undergrad degree, and I've been working here 474 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: for fifteen years now. I've also gotten my master's in 475 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 4: zoology and I love hoofstock, animals with hoofs ungulates, pea 476 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 4: horses included. I've loved all the animals that I work with, 477 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: pea horses definitely high up there. So yeah, I just 478 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: I love the mission of what we're doing. I love 479 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 4: conservation science in the wild and I have been part 480 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: of many programs where we're working in tandem to try 481 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: to figure out how to best protect animals that are 482 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: in the wild, how we can connect our knowledge of 483 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: animals in human care. It's just such a great place 484 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 4: for doing that. 485 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: I think so pretty much love this place. I'm a 486 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: little bit by it. 487 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: And again you bring in from a zoology while that 488 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: you're a specialist perspective, the value and importance of that 489 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: working in collaboration across the world, across the nation, even 490 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: across the park at the Frozen Zoom, or like you 491 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: just mentioned too, going hey wait a minute, elephant care 492 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: team does this, we should try that, and being able 493 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: to apply that knowledge across and the words you use, 494 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: it takes the village, the words you use, it takes 495 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: the world. But it's so great to hear that and 496 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: have you discussed it in that way that really paints 497 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: it as Yes, my every day I work with all 498 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: these different entities because this is how we make a difference. 499 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I love you brought up your background. 500 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: I just had a question on my Instagram about what 501 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: should my child in college be thinking about to become 502 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 3: a keeper or wildlife care specialist. You went through schooling. 503 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 3: I actually just gr up here, so I learned a 504 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: lot on the job. But for kids that are listening 505 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: right now, I think, honestly, in my opinion, you guys, 506 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys think, but I think 507 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: it's a trifecta. 508 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: I think it's education, think it's experience. 509 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 3: But also people kind of forget the networking aspect of 510 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: it all. You know, shake some hands, be a good 511 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: friendly human being, you know, and that gets you a 512 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: long way as well. 513 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 4: I gotta say, yeah, there's no one path, and that's 514 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: what makes it great. Everyone has a That's why. 515 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: It's always so great to ask a story. Everyone has a. 516 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: Different that's awesome. Oct I was thinking another question that. 517 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: I really love, like what's your absolute favorite talkie? 518 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: Pea horse fact? 519 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 3: Like something that you just love pulling out and knowing, Like, 520 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: did you guys know. 521 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: That or did you already cover it maybe maybe maybe. 522 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 4: You know, when you think of another new found. 523 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 3: Were really good at editing too, so we can I mean, 524 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: you guys should know these things. 525 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: You let me ask after Google. Okay, so the pea horses, 526 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 4: they are the only horse species that sheds out their 527 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: entire coat every year, so you won't ever. 528 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: See That's what I was. I'm sure you listeners are 529 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. Okay, let's they shut. 530 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 4: Out winter colda summer code. But then they also shut 531 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 4: out their tail and their main so there's a point where. 532 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: The like their main list, their tail lists all leave 533 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: it once. 534 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: It's not like a bird, it's not like a penguins. 535 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: It's not like a peng ghost. 536 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: It would but no, I mean adaptably. 537 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 3: It does make sense to me because you're an extreme climate, 538 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 3: so you can't just lose all this protection that you 539 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: have in extreme heat or extreme cold. Or the penguin 540 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 3: aspect was me thinking, you know, they got to swim, 541 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 3: but they have a short windows, so they're going to feathers, 542 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: get it colling, so we can survive. But that's really unique, 543 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: all these interesting adaptations I have for that's such an 544 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 3: extreme climate that they live in. 545 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's awesome. Yeah, thank you for that. That 546 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: was a really cool fact. I learned so much. 547 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you Amanda so much for taking the 548 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: time today and getting us out here in your truck 549 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: in with your friends to hang out and actually not 550 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: just talk about them, but see them and be in 551 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: the space where you care for them. So thank you 552 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 2: so much. 553 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 4: Yeah for making the truck. 554 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: That was great. 555 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, I got to say to one of those things, Marco, 556 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: where we talked about the swasks were talking. We talked 557 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: about them with doctor Ryder. We have talked about Frozen 558 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: Zoo and the importance of it, and then they come 559 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: out here and spend time in the field with these 560 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: three gorgeous horses to see it and then to be 561 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: able to talk to a man about how the shift 562 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: and changes occurred over the decades for the PA horse. 563 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: It's so I don't just it's like I can't wait 564 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: for it. 565 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: Amazing and the connectivity to you again, like I said 566 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 3: it during the interview, you know, but from everyone from 567 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: scientists to a wildlife care team. So again, our visitors 568 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: that come every day writing kids have come over and. 569 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: Get inspired all these amazing stories of conservation. 570 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 3: You know, and I know I'm a bird gap of man, 571 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of these horses. I gotta say 572 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 3: it learns so much of the horse and what a 573 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: great place. I mean even at talking to me right now, 574 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: but they see a greater one who in Ryano with? 575 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: I mean, the Safari Park is so amazing. So get 576 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: your butts at the park is the point, right, You 577 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: want either want to. 578 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: Come here and you're gonna have a really, really good time. 579 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: Now, if I'm not mistaken them, my friend, I think 580 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: the next episode we're gonna stay here at. 581 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're disappointed we'll be staying here. 582 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm excited. But something unique is happening. 583 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and it's one of those things where we 584 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: get to celebrate a species that I think sometimes because 585 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 2: they're so populous in zoos, people might take them for 586 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: granted and we can take much of them, but they 587 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: do need a lot more attention in conservation. They're getting 588 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: it right. But it does coincide with the longest day 589 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: of the year. If you're in the northern hemisphere. 590 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think. 591 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: You might know what animal has its special day on 592 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: the longest day of the year. 593 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: Let them figure it out, right, right, right, well. 594 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: With that little teaser, Yeah you haven't already been sure 595 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: to subscribe and then tune in the next time we 596 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: talk about the animal who has a day dedicated to 597 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 2: it because it's the longest day of the year and 598 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: there's something about length involved with them species. 599 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait, and I'm mark away. 600 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: And I'm ex Florence. 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