Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 2: Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived. That is actually a
Speaker 2: child's rhyme. My daughter taught me divorce, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.
Speaker 2: It's referring to Henry the Eighth, the King of England,
Speaker 2: that when he would get tired of a wife, I
Speaker 2: just have her beheaded, make up some claim against her,
Speaker 2: and have her head chopped out off right out there
Speaker 2: outside the tower. That was King Henry. But guess what.
Speaker 2: It also applies to a modern day felon Thomas Randolph.
Speaker 2: Why because he also has had six wives and four
Speaker 2: of them are dead. Who and the hey would keep
Speaker 2: marrying this guy when he's got four dead wives. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a whole other can of worms. But how does
Speaker 2: one guy have six wives and four of them are
Speaker 2: dead and nobody notices? I means he grace. This is
Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
Speaker 2: Foxcination in series XEM one eleven, let's kick it off.
Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at crime Watch. Deally.
Speaker 3: It's a Thursday night in Las Vegas, but Sin City
Speaker 3: locals Tom and wife Sharon are leaving the neon lights
Speaker 3: of the strip to the tourists and sharing a romantic
Speaker 3: dinner at a quiet suburban restaurant before going to the movies.
Speaker 4: Sharon's favorite thing in the entire world was to go
Speaker 4: to movies. She was a movie fanatic.
Speaker 3: But on this date night, Sharon is said to be
Speaker 3: in the mood for something else.
Speaker 4: She wanted to go home and have sex with Tom Randolph,
Speaker 4: and so he takes her home.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, forget the fancy dinner in the movie that
Speaker 2: I just said I wanted to do. Now she's overwhelmed
Speaker 2: with a desire for sex with Randolph. Where do we
Speaker 2: get that information, Jackie, oh oh from Randolph. He's so irresistible.
Speaker 2: Forget the movie. I've got to get home with you
Speaker 2: right now and have sex. Okay, you can probably take
Speaker 2: that with a box of salt. But that said, take
Speaker 2: a listener for instant use three.
Speaker 5: I actually started shutting the door as I get in.
Speaker 6: The couple had dinner and then returned home.
Speaker 2: Now this door was closed, I helped what up.
Speaker 6: He claims an intruder was inside and shot and killed
Speaker 6: his wife, Sharon, Causewit entered first.
Speaker 7: Sharon's laying in the floor, face down, said Sharon.
Speaker 8: Jared.
Speaker 2: Wow, he doesn't really seem that upset about it, does
Speaker 2: he should? She's dead, so they're out for dinner in
Speaker 2: the movie, she suddenly changed her mind and has to
Speaker 2: go home right then for sex. Forget about waiting till later.
Speaker 2: Had to be right then and lo and the hold.
Speaker 2: There's an intruder that happens to be there when they
Speaker 2: come in, and she, not him, gets shot dead. Let's
Speaker 2: just take a listen to that nine to one one.
Speaker 9: Call ran out rut the garage as I was thinking out.
Speaker 10: And I don't know, okay, I a bunch of times
Speaker 10: on your wife? Your wife?
Speaker 2: Oh okay? The plot thakans Now he knows the intruder
Speaker 2: is somebody named Mike. Boy. Do I smell a rat?
Speaker 2: Let's see what more we can learn. Uh, take a
Speaker 2: listen to this I'm a one call we got from
Speaker 2: Killer Jeans podcast.
Speaker 11: Qutter flat on her back, put her.
Speaker 5: Should I try to find this gun or something so
Speaker 5: you don't shoot? But he's not dead?
Speaker 11: Is he moving?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 11: BO, get his gun, and BO get his gun quickly?
Speaker 11: Hooking on your wife quarter flat.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna walk the garage so he can't eat.
Speaker 11: Okay, sure, you gotta do this quick, qutter flat on
Speaker 11: her back.
Speaker 10: It's flood everywhere.
Speaker 11: All right, I'm gonna help you, but I need you
Speaker 11: to listen to her and try to help her. You
Speaker 11: got to listen to me so we can try to
Speaker 11: help her.
Speaker 2: Oh darn, I hate that when somebody's gone down right
Speaker 2: in front of you, when they actually blade there's more. Listen, Okay,
Speaker 2: put her flat on her back.
Speaker 5: Sure, Oh god, here, what's your status myself?
Speaker 10: Sure?
Speaker 5: Hear me?
Speaker 11: Sure?
Speaker 10: Oh god?
Speaker 11: Sure, come back to the phone. I can't roll back
Speaker 11: go everywhere. You've got one everywhere?
Speaker 10: What the strange difference where you can't move her?
Speaker 11: I can't get Troy get you got to try to
Speaker 11: do CPR.
Speaker 2: I need you to try what she weighs about one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty pounds and you can't roll her over.
Speaker 2: Watch out, Daniel day Lewis, move aside, Christian Bell. That
Speaker 2: asker's not for you. This guy is a very strong contender.
Speaker 2: You are hearing Thomas Randolph crying or something like crying
Speaker 2: when his wife is shot dead after she gives into
Speaker 2: the overwhelming urge to go home that minute and have
Speaker 2: sex with her husband. Now, remember This is by far
Speaker 2: the first time that he has had a wife suddenly die.
Speaker 2: But how is it that he knows the assailant? How
Speaker 2: does he know is the guy named Mike Take a
Speaker 2: listener friends at KSNV.
Speaker 6: Randolph says, he sees something in the darkness.
Speaker 2: I thought it just seemed like a shadow.
Speaker 6: That shadow belonged to thirty eight year old Michael James Miller,
Speaker 6: a friend of Randolph's. Randolph says he grabbed the gun
Speaker 6: before running into the masked intruder.
Speaker 2: And that's when I just pushed it. Boom boom boom.
Speaker 2: He started going out toward the shed. Okay, joining me
Speaker 2: in all star panel to make sense of why are
Speaker 2: there four dead wives out of six? First of all,
Speaker 2: I want to go to chief investigative reporter at dailymail
Speaker 2: dot com, Jen Smith is with us, Jen, who is Sharon?
Speaker 2: Is this wife number? What is this wife number six?
Speaker 7: This is wife number six? Yes, Sharon was Thomas Randolph's
Speaker 7: last wife. They were only married for two years before
Speaker 7: she was killed in this strange shall we say failed
Speaker 7: home burglary. As he described it, she was the sixth
Speaker 7: wife he'd been married five times before that, and another
Speaker 7: wee of Phil's wife Nancy, also died in mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 2: Well, who is Mike.
Speaker 12: So Mike the.
Speaker 7: Person this intruder that he claimed that he didn't know
Speaker 7: and then he let the name flip we later learn
Speaker 7: as a man, handyman.
Speaker 2: So, Jensmith, you're telling me that the guy named Mike
Speaker 2: is actually the handyman for Randolph.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. So Mike worked for Randolph and his
Speaker 7: wife Sharon. They lived in this pretty, you know, pleasant,
Speaker 7: if not unremarkable home in a suburb of Las Vegas.
Speaker 7: They knew each other, he did all jobs for them
Speaker 7: around the.
Speaker 2: High guys, take a listen now to our cut four
Speaker 2: from Crime Watch Daily.
Speaker 3: The dead intruder is identified as Michael Miller, a thirty
Speaker 3: eight year old handyman Tom had admitted was no stranger
Speaker 3: to him on his nine one one call.
Speaker 5: I know he'd put me off.
Speaker 11: He tried to rictly off.
Speaker 3: Investigators learned Tom had befriended Miller several months earlier.
Speaker 4: He takes him under his wing and starts having him
Speaker 4: around the house constantly.
Speaker 3: The kindness of heart, he befriended what he called a bum.
Speaker 2: Now, if this guy is in fact using a handyman
Speaker 2: to kill his wife. It wouldn't be the first time
Speaker 2: we've seen that scenario. Does anybody remember Big Bob aka
Speaker 2: Bob Bishara Take a listen our friends at ABC.
Speaker 13: Prominent Michigan businessman Bob Bashara has been sentenced to at
Speaker 13: least six years in jail for attempting and failing to
Speaker 13: hire someone to kill a man named Joseph Gains Now.
Speaker 13: Gains confessed to the murder of Bashara's wife, Jane, who
Speaker 13: was strangled in January, and says that Bashara paid him
Speaker 13: to do it. Against his attorneys, Recline is willing to
Speaker 13: testify against Bashara. Bashara, he says, against is a liar
Speaker 13: and his effort to find a hitman.
Speaker 2: It was a mistake and as a part of that investigation,
Speaker 2: Big Bob Ashera's kinky sex life including a lot of
Speaker 2: S and M and bondage was uncovered. Didn't help with
Speaker 2: a jury. But in this case, what do we really
Speaker 2: know about the handyman?
Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 5: But not a.
Speaker 2: Violona is joining us. Former homicide prosecutor now veteran criminal
Speaker 2: defense attorney. You can find her at Violona Law dot com. BERNARDA.
Speaker 2: If in fact, he set up the death the murder
Speaker 2: of his sixth wife. Talk about the similar transactions that
Speaker 2: can come into a jury proven or unproven bad acts
Speaker 2: or doesn't have to be a conviction for a jury
Speaker 2: to hear about a similar act in the past.
Speaker 14: Exactly prior bad acts do come into evidence. You have
Speaker 14: to think that usually this comes into evidence because you
Speaker 14: want to show mold them, You want to show intent,
Speaker 14: You want to show a common plan or scheme. And
Speaker 14: here where it is like, you're not talking about just
Speaker 14: one wife or two wife. You're talking about multiple wife.
Speaker 14: So obviously they had where where there's he, there's fire.
Speaker 2: Guys, just how close is Randolph to the handyman? Take
Speaker 2: a listen to our friend Melissa McCarty.
Speaker 3: Shooting more than just the breeze with him.
Speaker 4: They're constantly shooting guns, They're constantly out doing target practice.
Speaker 4: They're constantly having conversations over the telephone. In like a
Speaker 4: six or eight week period, we have over three hundred
Speaker 4: and three phone calls between the.
Speaker 2: Two of them.
Speaker 5: Nobody was inspiring to kill anyone total and two three
Speaker 5: hundred phone calls, big deal. Two hundred of them was
Speaker 5: answering machines and she said thirty short messages. You want
Speaker 5: to We're going to pizza. You want to go with us?
Speaker 5: Me and Sheerrick. We're going to pizza. You want to
Speaker 5: go with us. We're going to the bar. You want
Speaker 5: to go with us. He's got nothing. He didn't plan
Speaker 5: on killing us. He came home. He planned on robbing
Speaker 5: us because the next day we were leaving, and all
Speaker 5: that money's going with me and I'm buying five acres
Speaker 5: and somewhere in Biaber around the middle of Utah.
Speaker 2: Okay. You know, when I think of romance, I think
Speaker 2: of Ocean's eleven. Is that wrong? I think about Brad
Speaker 2: Pitt and George Clooney, that kind of romance. I don't
Speaker 2: think of a romance where you're shooting the other person's
Speaker 2: wife when they come in from a night on the town.
Speaker 2: To you, Robert Crispin joining us, very well known private investigator,
Speaker 2: former Federal Task Force officer for the Department of Justice,
Speaker 2: the DEA, the Miami Field Division, former homicide detectives. You
Speaker 2: can find him at Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert, this whole
Speaker 2: thing stinks. And did you hear him on the nine
Speaker 2: one one call? He's not crying. It sounds like he's
Speaker 2: yodling softly in the background.
Speaker 8: Listen, Nanthew, you and I have listened to so many
Speaker 8: nine on one calls that originate from a homicide scene.
Speaker 8: When that first caller is calling in and these people
Speaker 8: are going into the tunnel vision, they are completely freaking out.
Speaker 8: It's just coming across the dead body, especially your wife,
Speaker 8: you completely lose it. He doesn't lose it on this
Speaker 8: call at all. I don't think he does. And he's
Speaker 8: not giving any He's more interested in running out to
Speaker 8: see if the guy's out there or close the door
Speaker 8: so you don't come in to shoot him. Well that's
Speaker 8: not true.
Speaker 2: And so you can't turn your wife.
Speaker 8: Over exactly exactly, no immediate first care, none, and this
Speaker 8: is your wife. That's right. There is why Detective o'reiley
Speaker 8: didn't buy any of this story, and it started from there.
Speaker 2: I want to focus on the homicide. That's why I've
Speaker 2: got doctor jan Gorniac with me. But I've got to
Speaker 2: ask doctor Chloe Carmichael a question, and I would have
Speaker 2: to know this before I took this to a jury.
Speaker 2: Doctor Chloe clinical psychologist, Women's Health Magazine Advisory Board, author
Speaker 2: of nervous energy, the power of your anxiety. Okay, now
Speaker 2: that's interesting, and you can find her at doctor Chloe,
Speaker 2: Doctor Chloe Carmichael, thank you for being with us. Why
Speaker 2: would anybody marry a guy that's already had five wives
Speaker 2: and three of them are dead, and then you become
Speaker 2: number four, six wives.
Speaker 14: And four dead.
Speaker 2: I would run to the heels as if I had
Speaker 2: seen a monster.
Speaker 12: Right, and Nancy, I think many people probably would. The
Speaker 12: only thing maybe to consider, though, is that this person
Speaker 12: I think we can agreed probably catch something.
Speaker 2: I almost had one date with a guy. He's seemed
Speaker 2: nice enough, but he told me he had filed for
Speaker 2: three bankruptcy's. I'm like, bye, See, of course I was
Speaker 2: very nice. I had dinner, I paid for dinner, obviously,
Speaker 2: and then I just kind of never called back because
Speaker 2: one way's uptick. Okay, that can happen to a lot
Speaker 2: of people, but three three in a row, Ah, No,
Speaker 2: something is wrong there. I didn't know what was wrong,
Speaker 2: but he certainly didn't have six wives for of them dead.
Speaker 12: I hear you, Nancy. There's a few things though, to
Speaker 12: consider that are maybe different, of course from you. So
Speaker 12: first of all, I don't think that you have a
Speaker 12: dependent personality. Now I'm not saying that she did, but
Speaker 12: to answer your question, a woman that has a dependent personality,
Speaker 12: that is.
Speaker 2: What you mean. A dependent personality.
Speaker 12: People who are unable to, you know, fill their own needs,
Speaker 12: who almost really kind of like taking on other people's struggles.
Speaker 12: Somebody who seems to have problems can almost become more
Speaker 12: attractive to that person because it makes them feel special.
Speaker 12: The other thing to consider is that this, uh, this
Speaker 12: man probably is a sociopath. He probably has you know,
Speaker 12: what we call the dark cognitive triads.
Speaker 2: So what is a dark cognitive triad That sounds.
Speaker 12: Air well, it is terrible. So it's a combination of
Speaker 12: three personality traits, which is narcissism, machia valianism, and psychopathy.
Speaker 12: So basically, it's someone who is a narcissist, who doesn't
Speaker 12: have any qualms about hurting other people, and is really
Speaker 12: good at manipulating people. And so ironically, again, that type
Speaker 12: of person can be very charming. And that's why I
Speaker 12: found it interesting that I'm not saying I believe him
Speaker 12: that she wanted to leave the date in order to
Speaker 12: go home and have sex, but that does point to
Speaker 12: some kind of narcissism.
Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac is joining us. Doctor jan Gorniac, let me
Speaker 2: tell you something. This is her Bailey Wick, former medical
Speaker 2: examiner for Clark County, that is Vegas. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you never lack a business. There board certified forensic pathologists,
Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac, I have found that in many cases a
Speaker 2: gunshot victim can be saved with the proper CPR. That
Speaker 2: didn't happen here.
Speaker 15: You're absolutely correct. So also, you know it's going to
Speaker 15: depend on where those shots were. Depending on where those
Speaker 15: shots were, speedy resuscitation effort to transport to a hospital,
Speaker 15: there is a possibility that a life could be saved.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just thinking about her dying there, Doctor
Speaker 2: Jane Gorniac. There she walks through the door and there's
Speaker 2: an immediate assault. There's an immediate barrage of bullets. What
Speaker 2: would she have experienced as the blood drained out of
Speaker 2: her body, as her life drained out of her body?
Speaker 2: Could she say? Could she hear? Could she understand what
Speaker 2: was happening to her?
Speaker 15: There is a good possibility that she could. There's only
Speaker 15: one instance. Injury to the brainstem where it controls you're
Speaker 15: breathing and your respiration. If you have an injury to
Speaker 15: the brain stem, you're essentially dye immediately. But other shots,
Speaker 15: say to the chest, even to the head, you're going
Speaker 15: to bleed out first. You're going to hammer it to
Speaker 15: If you have a shot to the heart or to
Speaker 15: the lung, you're going to go into shock first. So
Speaker 15: it's not an immediate depth. So you're going to go
Speaker 15: into what we call a hemorrhagic shock. You're just gonna
Speaker 15: your blood is going to start bleeding into the chest
Speaker 15: or out of your body. Your brain is not going
Speaker 15: to be able to get any oxygen. So I'm not
Speaker 15: going to say it's a slow depth, but at one
Speaker 15: point you're going to be aware until you lose consciousness
Speaker 15: and then your body is going to be devoid of oxygen.
Speaker 15: So there will be a timeframe, maybe seconds, maybe minutes
Speaker 15: where you are aware, unfortunately that you are dying. You
Speaker 15: may not be able to articulate that, but there's an
Speaker 15: awareness until you go in responsive from your injuries.
Speaker 2: So Robert Crispin joining USPI, former FED, can you imagine
Speaker 2: her lying there, She walks in the door and gets
Speaker 2: sit with all these bullets. She's dying, She's dying and
Speaker 2: she hears her husband on nine one one pretending to
Speaker 2: cry and saying I can't roll her over, and he's
Speaker 2: just sitting there and she realizes he's in on it.
Speaker 8: You know, the sad part about that, Nancy is she's
Speaker 8: going to die. She's not going to be able to
Speaker 8: tell her side of the story. She's not going to
Speaker 8: be telling what happened on that call and how his
Speaker 8: actions really were and how she knows she was killed
Speaker 8: at his hands. That's really sad and that's a horrible
Speaker 8: way to die. And that's why detectives put this all
Speaker 8: together and bring all the evidence in because the crime scene,
Speaker 8: the interviews, the nine one one calls, those are all
Speaker 8: the story that's coming from the deceased. That deceased is
Speaker 8: allowing all that to come out, and they work for
Speaker 8: the deceased, and that's how they get these people prosecuted.
Speaker 2: You know, I think the story starts a lot longer
Speaker 2: before that nine to one one call, all the way
Speaker 2: back to why number one? Who is she? And how
Speaker 2: has this guy gotten away with four dead wives? Four
Speaker 2: out of six? That's pretty bad odds. Take a listen
Speaker 2: to Thomas Randolph's first wife.
Speaker 16: He had a lot of extra curricular activities.
Speaker 7: Namely other women marriage.
Speaker 16: I would really call her marriage.
Speaker 7: There was a lot of did you she married Tom?
Speaker 16: The day that the her divorce was final, she expressed
Speaker 16: killing fear and things escalated. Tom and I counseled her
Speaker 16: to leave any way she could, and I would help
Speaker 16: her if she.
Speaker 7: Wanted me to.
Speaker 2: You were hearing, Catherine Thomas. This is Thomas Randolph's first wife,
Speaker 2: and he says Thomas Randolph had a lot of extra
Speaker 2: curricular activities and other words, sleeping around. She says she
Speaker 2: wouldn't even call it a marriage because there was so
Speaker 2: much infidelity on her his part, and the day of
Speaker 2: their divorce is the day he gets married to wife
Speaker 2: number two. Well, frankly, Catherine Thomas, she count of lucky stars.
Speaker 2: She did manage to live. But who is this Becky
Speaker 2: that so sadly has a sex affair with Thomas Randolph.
Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
Speaker 5: Justice is my kids to the world. I want to
Speaker 5: clarify that she is my daughter, Crystal. She she's very smart.
Speaker 5: I didn't plan her. I planned Justice, like I told you.
Speaker 5: I knew I'm going to get Kathy pregnant, whether I
Speaker 5: married or not. I picked her because she looked like
Speaker 5: Parahpota majors, just no boots. So I knew she'd make
Speaker 5: beautiful babies. Okay, I cheated on her, but there's a
Speaker 5: lot of reasons I cheated on her. She didn't satisfy me. Okay,
Speaker 5: shouldn't have cheated on her, should have divorced her. She
Speaker 5: knew about Vicky.
Speaker 2: Oh that makes it okay. I guess she knew I
Speaker 2: was having sex with Becky. So did you hear all
Speaker 2: that about justice is my gift to the world, and
Speaker 2: so as my daughter Christa. He's talking about his children
Speaker 2: are gifts to the world. And in the same thing,
Speaker 2: did I hear this correctly, Jackie? I was going to
Speaker 2: get Kathy pregnant, whether I married her or not. I
Speaker 2: picked her because she his word's not mine, looked like
Speaker 2: Farah faucet, just no boobs. Did he just say that? Okay?
Speaker 2: How do I know that? And these wives don't know it?
Speaker 2: You are hearing the playboy with six wives, four of
Speaker 2: them did, speaking in his own voice. But you know what,
Speaker 2: let's listen to some more.
Speaker 5: Take a listen, and this is the guilt in it.
Speaker 5: I just lost it and I said, I am so
Speaker 5: sick and tired of you saying you're going to kill yourself.
Speaker 5: If you're going to kill yourself, just do it and
Speaker 5: put everybody out of your misery. Becky, I've had it
Speaker 5: and I don't to hear it. I'm showing her up
Speaker 5: in my throat, had it. I can't deal with no more.
Speaker 5: If you're going to do it, do it and did
Speaker 5: it over?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: Okay, you are hearing our friends a Killer Gene podcast
Speaker 2: and you were hearing Thomas Randolph actually speaking. Uh. Isn't
Speaker 2: that one of the single biggest know knows ever doctor Chloe.
Speaker 2: When someone you believe is suicidal and you just say,
Speaker 2: you know what, go ahead and kill yourself, you're driving
Speaker 2: us crazy. Go die.
Speaker 12: Well, certainly, my goodness, it's a it's a it's an
Speaker 12: astonishing thing to say. It really goes back to that
Speaker 12: dark triad idea that this is a person who is
Speaker 12: displaying narcissism as well as machiavellianism and psychopathy. It's it's
Speaker 12: really quite stunning that he would say that. And you know,
Speaker 12: to your point earlier as to why a woman would
Speaker 12: even marry, you know, a man with this type of
Speaker 12: a history or this type of personality. I know it
Speaker 12: really is hard to believe, but people that have this
Speaker 12: combination of personality treats can actually summon themselves to be
Speaker 12: quite charming sometimes. So it's possible that, you know, she
Speaker 12: might have had some kind of personality issue where she
Speaker 12: was very insecure and he knew how to play on
Speaker 12: that using his charm. But I agree with you, Nancy,
Speaker 12: it's really a puzzle as to how a man like
Speaker 12: this could attract even one wife, much less sick.
Speaker 2: Okay, still stuck in my head. I married her because
Speaker 2: she'll like fara faucet without quote the boobs. Okay. I
Speaker 2: would have told him right then to take the patent turner,
Speaker 2: pat the straight, turned the corner, get the hangout, but
Speaker 2: sadly she didn't. We're talking about wife number two, okay, Becky. Becky,
Speaker 2: the one that he believes is suicidal. So his advice
Speaker 2: to her, go kill yourself. Take a listen to Thomas
Speaker 2: Randolph in his own own words from Our Friensic Killer James.
Speaker 5: So I opened the garage and there's Becky's car, and
Speaker 5: I thought, well, that's not right. So I go upstairs
Speaker 5: and there's Becky lying in bed. She shot her. She
Speaker 5: got the gun in her hands. The gun is jammed open,
Speaker 5: and that's an important thing because they screwed up when
Speaker 5: they did this investigation. She's on a water bed, but
Speaker 5: it's not a typical water bed, so she's laying there
Speaker 5: and I did I put my hand on her hand
Speaker 5: to make sure she you know, I didn't know she
Speaker 5: just shot herself for a watch, because I just got
Speaker 5: home and she's dead, and I immediately come out, get
Speaker 5: back in the truck and see. They said, oh, that's
Speaker 5: that's nonsense. But our phone's off, the powers off, the
Speaker 5: gases off, the lights is off. I'm not living there.
Speaker 5: Betty can't afford it, so there's no sense paying for it.
Speaker 5: And they said the house was in foreclosure. I think
Speaker 5: we were a month behind.
Speaker 2: Man he seems to have an answer for everything, and
Speaker 2: everybody around him screwed up. She screwed up. She shot herself.
Speaker 2: They mishandled the investigation. The bank started foreclosure before they
Speaker 2: were supposed to. Blah blah blah, And he doesn't stop there.
Speaker 5: Listen doctor Edwards swinging. The pathologists performed me autopsy. It
Speaker 5: was his opinion that Becky's body was moved after she
Speaker 5: was shot. And again he's our best witness, and we
Speaker 5: include his transcripts from a preliminary hearing, and he says
Speaker 5: the body wasn't she was shot where she was, that
Speaker 5: she died from a numerous things. My poor Becky lifts
Speaker 5: for half an hour. And he said, definitely her arm
Speaker 5: could have moved, her legs could have moved, probably would
Speaker 5: have moved because she would have been in terrible pain.
Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Jane Gorniac, you don pathologists. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: it's all your fault. Have you ever noticed, doctor Gorniac,
Speaker 2: that when you testifying for the state, somehow the defense
Speaker 2: tries to blame everything on you.
Speaker 1: It's their client.
Speaker 2: They're the ones. He's the one that finds her body,
Speaker 2: he's the one that told her to go kill herself
Speaker 2: and uh oh another wife did. But yet he blames
Speaker 2: everybody but himself, including the pathologist.
Speaker 15: Yes, that that happened. So we're up there as advocates
Speaker 15: for our patient. We are independent investigators, so we can
Speaker 15: just testify to our findings. We're not there to say
Speaker 15: who did it, who didn't do it, or the true
Speaker 15: quote unquote facts of the of the case based on
Speaker 15: the like I said, before on some of your other podcasts.
Speaker 15: The body tells us the story, so we can look
Speaker 15: at the body, look at the scene, things around the body,
Speaker 15: at the scene while they're on the table, and they
Speaker 15: will tell their story and then we just interpret it
Speaker 15: in order to tell the judge and the jury.
Speaker 5: So yes, the.
Speaker 15: Defense attorneys can sometimes come back at us, but they're
Speaker 15: coming back at their science. So I try to look
Speaker 15: at that way to not me. It's the signs, but
Speaker 15: the sigence doesn't lie.
Speaker 2: You know how you go to the snakehouse at the
Speaker 2: zoo and you look at poison snakes through a glass.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel right now listening to Thomas Randolph
Speaker 2: rambling on and on to our friends at Killer Jane's, Well,
Speaker 2: he doesn't stop there. Listen.
Speaker 5: Of course I am. I am a narcissist. That's because
Speaker 5: I've got a really high IQ and because I've been
Speaker 5: a player. But anybody that's successful, anybody that's intelligence, they're
Speaker 5: going to be an they're going to be somewhat narcissistic.
Speaker 5: It seems like everybody and their brother wanted to bust
Speaker 5: me for drugs. That's what the UK case is about.
Speaker 5: The drugs and all the women I had sex with,
Speaker 5: and it's not criminal. It may be not good if
Speaker 5: you're married, but or they're married, but it's not criminal.
Speaker 5: The times were different back in the eighties than they
Speaker 5: are today.
Speaker 2: The times are different, BERNARDA. Do you know how much
Speaker 2: I want to cross examine this purve? The times were different, my.
Speaker 14: Rear end, The times were different.
Speaker 2: Drugs about cheating have never been okay exactly.
Speaker 14: It doesn't matter what error you're coming up in. So
Speaker 14: it's so crazy to guy how much he loved to
Speaker 14: talk and that he's gotten away with it for so
Speaker 14: long despite all his statements out the MP black he
Speaker 14: fell for it.
Speaker 2: People actually fell for it. But it's not just about
Speaker 2: all the sex and all the cheating. There's another motive.
Speaker 2: Take a listen now. I cut twenty six from crime.
Speaker 17: Online Goald's death rule the suicide, and Randolph received over
Speaker 17: a half million dollar life insurance payout. Randolph was later
Speaker 17: charged with her murder when Erring Tarantino went to police
Speaker 17: saying Randolph tried to get him to kill Becky while
Speaker 17: awaiting trial. A sting operation now Randolph trying to have
Speaker 17: Tarantino killed. Randolph was acquitted of the murder charge and
Speaker 17: pleading to a lesser charge of witness tampering with the
Speaker 17: Tarantino case.
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: Jim Smith is joining me, Chief investigative reporter, dailymail dot com.
Speaker 2: He actually got five hundred thousand dollars life insurance on
Speaker 2: Becky because her death was actually ruled a suicide. Then
Speaker 2: it turns out from Tarantino he tried to hire Tarantino
Speaker 2: to kill Becky, but then Tarantino ends up there too.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, that's believe it or not, fancy, that's correct.
Speaker 7: He claims it. His wife has you know, killed herself
Speaker 7: this life insurance claim and is given a huge amount
Speaker 7: of money, you know, half a million dollars. Someone then
Speaker 7: comes forward and says no, actually he asked me to
Speaker 7: kill her and best personal so later ends up dead.
Speaker 2: But yet women keep marrying him. And then this goes
Speaker 2: forward and he is acquitted. Yes, he is acquitted, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't stop another woman from marrying him. Let's see,
Speaker 2: there was Catherine, then there was Becky, and now here
Speaker 2: we go wife number three. Take a listen to our
Speaker 2: friends at crime Online and cut twenty seven.
Speaker 17: Gana Allman was Randolph's third wife. One day Randolph was
Speaker 17: cleaning his gun at the dining room table, told her
Speaker 17: the gun was not loaded, but it went off anyway.
Speaker 17: The bullet nearly hit her and Gana, it was close
Speaker 17: enough to see the smoke come out of the hole.
Speaker 2: What does she have to say about it? Take a
Speaker 2: listen to what wife number three has to say to
Speaker 2: Vegas Review Journal what.
Speaker 4: Happened at your vision table.
Speaker 16: Supposedly there was no bullets in the gun.
Speaker 10: And that he was cleaning the car at the dining table,
Speaker 10: the cab not very far away from.
Speaker 2: Jump the floor Jenn Smith. Okay, he's cleaning again with
Speaker 2: her sitting at the table, and the gun goes off.
Speaker 2: She says she thought he tried to kill her, and
Speaker 2: he was not prosecuted.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's absolutely right, man. See so there is quite
Speaker 7: a large gap in between the white number two Becky
Speaker 7: and wife number three Gaina. They end up divorcing in
Speaker 7: two thousand and four. Lucky escape for Gana when you
Speaker 7: look at how the rest of his wife turned out.
Speaker 7: But she later tells this story that during their marriage,
Speaker 7: he's cleaning the gun at home. She believes it was
Speaker 7: an attempt to murder her.
Speaker 14: The gun goes off.
Speaker 7: Now He clearly is used to handling guns and it
Speaker 7: didn't often fire accidentally or while he was cleaning it,
Speaker 7: so she believed that he had tried to kill her. Now,
Speaker 7: we're not sure that she necessarily reported this to the
Speaker 7: authorities when it happened. This all came out later following
Speaker 7: the death of Randolph's sixth wife, but that was her
Speaker 7: story and she was never investigating for it. He was
Speaker 7: never arrested for attempted murder of Gayna either.
Speaker 2: Okay, so wife number three after the gun cleaning incident,
Speaker 2: takes off for the heels. She runs for the heels,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't stop yet another woman falling for Thomas Randolph.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't make this up. Take a listen
Speaker 2: our friends at crime Online twenty eight.
Speaker 17: Thomas Randolph later married Francis Randolph. Francis Randolph passed away
Speaker 17: in the hospital after she had successful heart surgery. Thomas
Speaker 17: Randolph didn't allow her daughter to visit Francis at the hospital.
Speaker 17: Thomas Randolph told her he wanted to see Francis alone.
Speaker 17: When he came out of her room, he announced that
Speaker 17: she was dead. He had her mother cremated within twenty
Speaker 17: four hours of her death. And sent ashes to the
Speaker 17: family in pill bottles.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jen Smith, I think I'm at wife number four,
Speaker 2: Francis Randolph. She's in the hospital with heart surgery. It's successful,
Speaker 2: but he won't let her daughter come in the room.
Speaker 2: He goes into visit her and comes down and says
Speaker 2: she's dead and has her cruitment it in twenty four
Speaker 2: hours and sends ashes to the family in pill bottles.
Speaker 2: Did I understand that correctly?
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely perfectly, Nancafe. I mean, red flags are all
Speaker 7: over this right. Not only does she die very sudden,
Speaker 7: that she dies after what was, as you say, a
Speaker 7: successful heart surgery. Now wait till you're this. After Francis
Speaker 7: dies and after he sends the ashes in a pill bottle,
Speaker 7: he then successfully sues the hospital who was caring for her,
Speaker 7: and he wins a settlement, so he gets money out
Speaker 7: of the hospital where she was being cared for, where
Speaker 7: she eventually died in really mysterious circumstances. We don't know
Speaker 7: how much the settlement was four It was a confidential one,
Speaker 7: but he manages to con as well for what he
Speaker 7: claimed was inefficient or ineffective care of Francis, who he
Speaker 7: said she'd ever have died, but the death specific sad.
Speaker 7: She died natural causes, which empowered him to do the
Speaker 7: hospital that I'd been looking after her.
Speaker 2: Of course he had to have her cremated immediately because
Speaker 2: autopsy would likely have revealed if she had died from
Speaker 2: let's just say, asphyxiation in the hospital room. And then,
Speaker 2: of course, following that, yes, following that comes along wife
Speaker 2: number five. Listen to crime Online.
Speaker 17: Thomas Randolph's fifth wife was Leonis Stapleton. There's not a
Speaker 17: lot of public knowledge about her. In court during the
Speaker 17: first trial in twenty seventeen, family and friends all testified
Speaker 17: a Stapleton had died of cancer. This according to the
Speaker 17: Review Journal. Beyond that, very little is known about her.
Speaker 2: I'd like to find out. I'd like to have her
Speaker 2: body zoomed and find out how she really died. I mean,
Speaker 2: none of this is making sense. But let's hear Thomas
Speaker 2: Randolph in his own words speaking to Killer Jans Well, I've.
Speaker 5: Always come to Vegas because I'd played twenty one. I'm
Speaker 5: actually really good at it. I make good money. I
Speaker 5: made there's more money than I make working for the
Speaker 5: state full time and teaching school part time. And you
Speaker 5: don't have to pay taxes on it. So I love
Speaker 5: the gamble. So I go to Vegas and I go
Speaker 5: to Lake.
Speaker 2: Pale and more.
Speaker 5: Sharon had just lost her husband, he died of cancer.
Speaker 5: I'd lost Francis the year before, earlier that year, and
Speaker 5: I did on it. I'd be off of it, and
Speaker 5: I wouldn't respond to any of these, and Sharon keeps
Speaker 5: him mommy. And finally I got an email that says, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, if you're you don't think I'm attracted or
Speaker 5: you're like, well, either were? That caught my attention. He
Speaker 5: was very rude about it, so it caught my attention.
Speaker 5: I actually knew Sharon better than I knew most women
Speaker 5: in my life because we talked for hours and hours.
Speaker 5: Should be the last voice I heard at night, and
Speaker 5: then first thing in the morning she'd call me because
Speaker 5: she gets up earlier at the time difference. And when
Speaker 5: I met her in person, it's just everything quick.
Speaker 2: She da, you know, Robert Cristpin, it's really hard for
Speaker 2: me to get in my mind around and we've been
Speaker 2: talking about why would he marry someone that's been married
Speaker 2: so many times and you've had four dead wives. We're
Speaker 2: questioning them we don't need to be questioning the women.
Speaker 2: Either he lied to them or he charmed them or
Speaker 2: explained things away, and if they were in love, they
Speaker 2: probably didn't want to know the truth. I'm more curious
Speaker 2: about how he got away with killing so many wives
Speaker 2: and wasn't stopped before the fourth death.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you, Nancy Is, I'm listening to this statement.
Speaker 8: I'm getting visions of Alex Murda's statement dancing through my
Speaker 8: head and just listening to the similarities of the alibis
Speaker 8: and the explanations of everything that happened two of these deaths.
Speaker 8: I'm sure he probably knew. And you know this from
Speaker 8: being a prosecutor and people with medical conditions, there are
Speaker 8: doctors that will sign the death certificate. So if this
Speaker 8: one person really did have cancer and it was maybe
Speaker 8: an advanced stage of cancer, and he gets the phone
Speaker 8: call that this person's past from law enforcement, who's the
Speaker 8: responding officer to the scene, He's going to go, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know what, I'll sign the death certificate. Same thing
Speaker 8: with the with the heart surgery patient. We all suspect
Speaker 8: you went in there and probably suffocated her, but got
Speaker 8: the phone call to the doctor, and the doctor said, yep,
Speaker 8: I'll sign. She had a history of heart disease. So
Speaker 8: two of those deaths clearly could have slid under the
Speaker 8: radar of the doctor stepping in and signing the death certificate,
Speaker 8: which takes law enforcement out of it, because once law
Speaker 8: enforcement knows that the doctor will sign unless there's anything outstanding,
Speaker 8: that shock in owes the police when they arrive. It's
Speaker 8: a it's an unattended death, or it's a it's a
Speaker 8: natural cause death. It's going nowhere. And I found, like the.
Speaker 2: Case the prophet you a call cult mom Laurie Valo,
Speaker 2: her husband's wife Tammy quote in her sleep and it
Speaker 2: was chalked off to natural causes until her body was
Speaker 2: exhumed and it turned out she was suffocated. She died
Speaker 2: from asphyxia of some sort one thing I don't want
Speaker 2: to do. We're talking about why would you marry somebody
Speaker 2: that's got so many wives, much less dead wives. It's
Speaker 2: not the women's fault. For whatever reason they did marry him,
Speaker 2: it's his fault. These women were paws to him. And
Speaker 2: when you hear him talk, he talks about cheating, about
Speaker 2: having sex with so many women, about gambling, about marrying
Speaker 2: a woman because she looked like Pharah Fawcet quote without
Speaker 2: the boobs, cheating, the I r s. Everything he says
Speaker 2: is bad everything. I don't know that I would call him.
Speaker 7: That, but I would probably.
Speaker 2: I would call him a predator when we get right
Speaker 2: down to it. Four women are dead from their relationship
Speaker 2: with him. So where is he now? Jen Smith, Chief
Speaker 2: investigative reporter, Dailymail dot Com.
Speaker 7: Well, you'll be relieved to know that he is now
Speaker 7: in prison and he's going to stay there for the
Speaker 7: rest of his life. The reason that we're talking about
Speaker 7: this case again, Nancy, is that he was recently convicted
Speaker 7: for the second time of Shannon's murder and of the
Speaker 7: murder of Mike Miller, the hitman who he had hired
Speaker 7: to kill his wife, Sharon. Surprisingly his first conviction, which
Speaker 7: was returned back in following in twenty seventeen trial, it
Speaker 7: was overturned. He argued successfully in court that the prior
Speaker 7: bad act of his previous marriages shouldn't have been allowed
Speaker 7: to have been included in the trials, and the conviction
Speaker 7: was overturned. He was then tried again because he is
Speaker 7: sixty eight. The prosecutors decided that it wasn't worth anyone's
Speaker 7: time to drag it through a death row appeals process,
Speaker 7: so they shared him the death penalty. But Thomas Randolph,
Speaker 7: sixty eight years old, six wife later, he is now
Speaker 7: going to die in prison.
Speaker 2: I can only hope, but I can guarantee you one thing,
Speaker 2: Jenn Smith. He's got a long long list of pinpal
Speaker 2: lovers and a big stack of male from lonely heart
Speaker 2: females out there looking for love, and they're probably sending
Speaker 2: him money right now. So to you, Thomas Randolph brought
Speaker 2: in hell. Goodbye friend,