Speaker 1: Gark. It's so nice to be able to talk to
Speaker 1: you again, and so long since I have spoken to you.
Speaker 1: And I went to the Open. I did the whole
Speaker 1: week and the one day I was crossing over, you
Speaker 1: were crossing over eighteen. You look very neat, looked like
Speaker 1: you lost a bit of weight. Have you lost a
Speaker 1: bit of weight? Not intentionally? Maybe maybe because they opened
Speaker 1: was my seventh week in a row. Maybe because of that,
Speaker 1: But I haven't tried to know. I'm actually trying to
Speaker 1: poke a little bit, So that's yeah, I'll work on that.
Speaker 1: Why did you not any particular reason that you're not
Speaker 1: put very well? Or what happened? Did they open? I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, you know, Um, it's a bid
Speaker 1: because putting has been my you know, the best part
Speaker 1: of my game, the last little bit um and I've
Speaker 1: you know, as an amateur, played pretty well on links sources.
Speaker 1: But for some reason I struggled to read the greens
Speaker 1: at the Scottish and at the Open, so um, and
Speaker 1: I mean I was I was struggling to get the
Speaker 1: ball to the whole, which is which is quite strange. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: the thing that those greens are can be very deceptive
Speaker 1: and The big thing you've got to do there is
Speaker 1: Number one is look at the cup on the worn side,
Speaker 1: as you know, because that is never lied. And this
Speaker 1: is something you understand that very few people do understand.
Speaker 1: And look where the cup is worn. And sometimes it's
Speaker 1: not easy to see people putting their hands in the
Speaker 1: hole now or routing the cups a lot, raising a lot,
Speaker 1: but look now, these things happen. And you know, you
Speaker 1: as you say you had seven weeks in a row, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't believe this business are being tired.
Speaker 1: I think that's in one's mind. But when you play
Speaker 1: seven weeks in the row, I think that that is
Speaker 1: a little bit too much. I think five weeks in
Speaker 1: the row is good, and then have a week all
Speaker 1: come back, but seven. But the things you'll you'll learn
Speaker 1: as you go along, and nobody can teach you that.
Speaker 1: That's something that you've got to feel. But it was
Speaker 1: open for me because first of all, I think that
Speaker 1: John Rome should have won, but he put it so
Speaker 1: badly the last day. But it's very interesting for me,
Speaker 1: and I tell people I see somebody like Jordan's speech
Speaker 1: and I see at least four faults and he's swing
Speaker 1: that he is one tremendous competitor. He's got what I
Speaker 1: call it now nobody, nobody can define it. It's something
Speaker 1: that certain people had. And it's another thing that Jordan's speet.
Speaker 1: He knows how to play golf. Now you tell somebody
Speaker 1: that somebody on the regular too knows how to play golf.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people knew how to play they
Speaker 1: could swing. Well, well, it's taken the top hundred players
Speaker 1: in the Open. There's a hundred and fifty six guys.
Speaker 1: The top hundred is very little difference between the first
Speaker 1: and the hundreds of hitting the ball. So what is
Speaker 1: it that you know? It's not how well you swing
Speaker 1: or how well you do this. As you and I
Speaker 1: have discussed, it comes from the mind. And that's the
Speaker 1: one thing that I've tried. And you, of all the
Speaker 1: young men I've ever met in my life, you're the
Speaker 1: greatest gentleman. I wish I could have a doctor, don
Speaker 1: you said to a nice guy. But you listen, you listen,
Speaker 1: and so many young guys don't want to listen. They
Speaker 1: come up with while I'm working on the modern day swing,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing, there's no such thing as a modern
Speaker 1: day swing. There's nothing new. I'm dying to hear something
Speaker 1: new in the swing. But Jordan's speaker is a very
Speaker 1: good man to emulate because he's all over the place.
Speaker 1: He's the Sevy of America, I mean, Dallas Tiros. But
Speaker 1: he's putting. He's a competitor, he's got it, he knows
Speaker 1: how to And I think what happens this is what
Speaker 1: I find, But that doesn't find for everybody that when
Speaker 1: you played too many torments in a row, you lose
Speaker 1: that little bit of irritability in your system because your
Speaker 1: system is now burnt out from energy. And I played
Speaker 1: my very best golf, and I noticed Hogan and Sneen
Speaker 1: and Palmer and Nicholas and Travino. And if you watch
Speaker 1: John Ram, he gets really pumped up. You know. You
Speaker 1: when you get a bit irritable, your mind then works
Speaker 1: to the maximum it can to get you focused. And
Speaker 1: what you wouldn't You are really focused, And if you
Speaker 1: played so much, you lose that focus which prevents you
Speaker 1: from playing well. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's definitely something that I'm going to learn. Fro Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, because everything changed so quickly, you know, there
Speaker 1: was no time to really pick and choose what I
Speaker 1: was going to play, especially having the two majors, you know,
Speaker 1: or even playing the three three majors in in the
Speaker 1: eight weeks. Um, I can see all the top guys
Speaker 1: either take the week off before the major or played
Speaker 1: the week before the major and you know, take a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks off before that event. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely play my best golf when I'm fresh and
Speaker 1: I'm ready to win. Um. But I definitely felt like
Speaker 1: I was a bit drained going into even going into
Speaker 1: the Scottish but I tried, I tried not to be
Speaker 1: um and I fought until the end. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just learn from it. No, that's good.
Speaker 1: And now you got into the Olympics. Uh well, actually no,
Speaker 1: I'm flying. I'm flying tomorrow actually, um flying tomorrow night
Speaker 1: to joe Burg and then Saturday night, UM to Tokyo.
Speaker 1: And are you playing at Kasumi Kaseki? That it actually
Speaker 1: no no, no, I never designed it, but Harold Henning
Speaker 1: and I represented South Africa and nineteen fifty seven and
Speaker 1: we got five hundred dollars in in American Express checks
Speaker 1: to go all that way and play. So that was
Speaker 1: and we finished second there. We beat America and Japan
Speaker 1: won it, and that was the start Japanese golf. This
Speaker 1: tiny little guy, he wasn't even five ft three. He
Speaker 1: hold bunker's shots and he was holding puts from all
Speaker 1: over the the middle old dab stroke and it was
Speaker 1: such a great thing that this is. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: watching very carefully. I know the course well and it's
Speaker 1: got great memories for me and and you've got busied
Speaker 1: not as your partners. I'm hoping you're going to do
Speaker 1: very very well. And it's it's an honor. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't do the Olympic Game for South
Speaker 1: Africa men and women. And I was always sure that
Speaker 1: people like Rory McElroy say he wasn't interested in going
Speaker 1: to the Olympic Games and he he wouldn't even watch
Speaker 1: the scores of the Olympic Games. It's quite sad because
Speaker 1: Ory and I was sad to hear that. And to
Speaker 1: go to the Olympic Games is the biggest sporting event
Speaker 1: in the world and it's such a great honor for
Speaker 1: you and BIS know to be playing. And please tell
Speaker 1: him I'm pulling for you. Guys, will be watching you
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. She's it's
Speaker 1: going to be amazing. And also just kind of being
Speaker 1: in the athletes village and seeing all the other athletes,
Speaker 1: although we can't go and watch them. Um, I mean
Speaker 1: it's something that we haven't really grown up watching because
Speaker 1: golf phase only in it now for the second time.
Speaker 1: But I think hopefully we can inspire some of the younger,
Speaker 1: younger guys. When I went to great when I went
Speaker 1: to the village there, they had me sleeping well in
Speaker 1: a cardboard cuboard as a cupboard for my clothes and
Speaker 1: a bed that was a plank. And they came to
Speaker 1: your mind, you know, you leave the village and boy
Speaker 1: they put me in the hotel and I pretended I
Speaker 1: was sad, but I was very happy. But it was
Speaker 1: an experience going to the gym. Everybody could get together.
Speaker 1: I met all these wonderful athletes from all over the world.
Speaker 1: It was a wonderful experience. So but you'll be able
Speaker 1: to see something no we're not allowed to, well I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was kind of one of the best things.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to go and watch the sprinters or something
Speaker 1: like that, but we're not allowed to. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: well good yeah, so I'll just have to make up
Speaker 1: and win the goal. That's it. That's it. Where is
Speaker 1: Basidian at the moment, He's in Johannisburg. It's Christian, Christian, Christian,
Speaker 1: Christian Christian. Yeah, and tell me how what do you
Speaker 1: feel at the moment, any department of your game that
Speaker 1: you're not feeling good with. You're feeling good with everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my long my long game, My long game is feeling
Speaker 1: really good. Um, I mean it was. It was definitely
Speaker 1: just you know, mental sharpness the last two weeks because
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't make a double drop, which usually
Speaker 1: those come from you know, Arran t shots and stuff.
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I made a lot of drops
Speaker 1: which were soft dropped. So I'm actually in a positive
Speaker 1: headspace to be honest. Um, my game is feeling really good.
Speaker 1: And I think this week at home seeing family and
Speaker 1: getting a bit of risk is going to give me
Speaker 1: a lot of good because I'm itching to go back
Speaker 1: and play. So that's that's great. She's I can't remember
Speaker 1: we organized the game for me to play, to play
Speaker 1: with you Gary when I was really little, but I
Speaker 1: remember playing the nine alls that goose and that really
Speaker 1: inspired me a lot. But then also remember you wrote
Speaker 1: me a letter um and gave it to someone to
Speaker 1: give to me when I was at school, and I've
Speaker 1: still got a frame just saying you know, um. It
Speaker 1: was in Afrikaans. I think it said a fast bait
Speaker 1: um and that you're thinking of me, um, And yeah
Speaker 1: it stuck with me, and yeah, I mean you're a
Speaker 1: you're and I look up to you a lot. So
Speaker 1: it's been amazing and I can't thank you enough for
Speaker 1: for all your support. You know, the one thing that
Speaker 1: you know, your coach and I don't want you to
Speaker 1: do is get paralysis of analysis. You saw them potentially
Speaker 1: the greatest player they developed Tiger Woods, when's the US
Speaker 1: fifteen shots and then goes to teachers for lesson and
Speaker 1: they want him to have a flat follow through and
Speaker 1: they want him to fan the club face open, and
Speaker 1: he from his great talent that he has, he has
Speaker 1: a taken away and he doesn't win a major for
Speaker 1: a eleven years. And you know, we just want to
Speaker 1: see you be slight tune. Your coach knows you will.
Speaker 1: I know you will slight tuning. That's all you do
Speaker 1: but to keep your mind, because we haven't scratched the
Speaker 1: surface of the mind, and it's the mind that wins tournaments.
Speaker 1: And that's what you've got to do. You've gotta do meditation,
Speaker 1: you've gotta do prayer. A lot of people don't any
Speaker 1: emphasis on prayer. I know you do and I do.
Speaker 1: And so you've got to building your mind because we
Speaker 1: are nowhere near what we're going to see happen with
Speaker 1: the mind in time to come is going to be dramatic.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what you know. We keep on emphasizing
Speaker 1: with you keep fit, got to learn to eat. You
Speaker 1: see what happens today in tennis. Tennis is my favorite
Speaker 1: thought to watch Jokovic. You look at him now, there
Speaker 1: he is having one his twentieth major championship. And those
Speaker 1: other guys, I don't know if they will ever win
Speaker 1: any others, but this man is no unforeseen accident. He'll
Speaker 1: win twenty five majors and it's because he's a beast.
Speaker 1: So in December, I well, I kind of realized that
Speaker 1: I needed to take it a little bit more seriously,
Speaker 1: and I started working with bath Mom, who's in thankour Um.
Speaker 1: So he travels with me and Yeah, we've worked on
Speaker 1: my mobility, which is in a big part of getting longer,
Speaker 1: not so much my strength. I'm quite strong, but I
Speaker 1: can't access all of that strength because I'm a bit
Speaker 1: limited in my te spine and hit mobility. So we've
Speaker 1: worked on that a lot, just so that I don't
Speaker 1: have to, you know, I don't have to do anything
Speaker 1: extra to gain length. And by working on that, we've
Speaker 1: you know, we've been able to do a lot more
Speaker 1: strength stuff, um, you know too, enhance my ability basically. Um.
Speaker 1: And he helps me with nutrition and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's quite jacked up with all that, so
Speaker 1: he keeps me on my toes when it comes to
Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, very good, very good. And yeah,
Speaker 1: uh Grek, that was a very nice wort of Maraca
Speaker 1: where he seems like a very nice young man. And
Speaker 1: there again, you know, everybody's brainwashed with long hitting now,
Speaker 1: and long hitting is an asset. It's an asset, but
Speaker 1: it's not a necessity. And we've seen this first and second.
Speaker 1: We're not long hitters really, but you could see it
Speaker 1: coming down the line. They were holding the puts left,
Speaker 1: right and center and almost chipping in when they were chipping,
Speaker 1: and there you have John ramitting these massive drives and
Speaker 1: missing the putts. And then we go to the extreme.
Speaker 1: You see a man like Bryson Deshambro. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: eating so many calories and so many shapes and things
Speaker 1: like that, and he's a very intelligent guy. And I
Speaker 1: spoke to him at a gust of this year and
Speaker 1: I said, are you not perturbed about affecting your kidneys
Speaker 1: and your liver? And he said, no, I have my
Speaker 1: blood monitored every three weeks. Well that's a that's straight,
Speaker 1: very nice, blood checked every three weeks. But that's what's
Speaker 1: suiting him. But I was in I'd rather work on
Speaker 1: hitting the ball a little bit straighter. I saw him
Speaker 1: some places I've seen him some places in that I
Speaker 1: want to tell you that you've got to be awfully strong.
Speaker 1: And he gets out, I have a job outsideways with
Speaker 1: a sandwich. But I mean, one must be careful that
Speaker 1: you realize what Woulden's golf tourments is the mind and putting. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I mean, that's the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that's changes for me is I've realized that I don't
Speaker 1: have to hit it well at all. Two when um
Speaker 1: and my short game has been so good the last
Speaker 1: four months that I can go at a lot of
Speaker 1: flags that are previously not was scared to go at,
Speaker 1: but I can almost fired all of them. And I
Speaker 1: know that I'm going to up and down, which have
Speaker 1: been from you know, wherever I wherever I finish. So
Speaker 1: it's a nice feeling. And I feel like that's that
Speaker 1: trees me up to hit better iron shots as well,
Speaker 1: because I'm not scared of missing shortsided and then I
Speaker 1: hit a good iron shot and then you know, you
Speaker 1: make a lot of bodies doing it doing it that way. No,
Speaker 1: that's right. And the one thing that the two things
Speaker 1: that I hope that you don't forget what I said
Speaker 1: that you must you must enjoy adversity. You've got to
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Do not shake it off because it's impossible
Speaker 1: not to have it. It's impossible. Everybody has it, and
Speaker 1: from adversity comes great joy if you can stick it out,
Speaker 1: and so many people can't stick it out, and it's important,
Speaker 1: and you know, so the other thing is you've gotta
Speaker 1: you've gotta have great patience. And I love what you
Speaker 1: just said. Now, you don't always have to play well
Speaker 1: to win. You know, you know it's good mind you
Speaker 1: getting up and down into and feeling confident and feeling
Speaker 1: good in yourself, all these things, you know, And and
Speaker 1: the last thing I remember really talking to you strongly
Speaker 1: about it, to believe you the best. That's the big thing.
Speaker 1: When you go on that team, I Garrick Hugo am
Speaker 1: the best player in the world. You're gonna believe it
Speaker 1: because I believe. I'm believing you are. They all asking
Speaker 1: me who's the next world champion? I don't hear it.
Speaker 1: I say, Garrett, because I believe you can and you
Speaker 1: know it's up to you. Yeah, that's right. Nobody's going
Speaker 1: to do it for you as your all your guys,
Speaker 1: none of us can help you do that, but you
Speaker 1: that's what You've got to keep believing. And so I
Speaker 1: hope you have a great week in the Olympics. It's
Speaker 1: thank you. It's gonna be awesome. I can't play it.
Speaker 1: And then where do you go from Tokyo? Then when
Speaker 1: you finished, so we go straight to Memphis for the
Speaker 1: w G c UM and then I'll take a week
Speaker 1: off and then the playoffs start, the FedEx Cup playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't Why would you. You know, I always found
Speaker 1: if I could, if I could having traveled with the
Speaker 1: time change, not to go into a tournament because your
Speaker 1: body is not really adjusted properly. But sometimes you don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is that one. I don't have a choice, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: but I agree. Um, it would have been nice not
Speaker 1: to have to play with the nine hour time difference. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's one that after that I can't skip. Um,
Speaker 1: but at least at least it's going I feel like
Speaker 1: when I go to West actually the jet lags a
Speaker 1: little better because you wake up earlier. Um, like going
Speaker 1: to Japan. Now it's going to be a bit of
Speaker 1: loculty wake up to No. I told you about that
Speaker 1: year I was playing in the World and the World
Speaker 1: Cup the same, but this was the not the Canada Cup,
Speaker 1: and we were playing in France and we were fogged out.
Speaker 1: The one day in the travel agents said well, I
Speaker 1: can get you to Melbourne three hours before the Australian
Speaker 1: Open Scots and Arnold and Jack said no, And I
Speaker 1: said I'm going and I got there time change. Never
Speaker 1: saw the course, you said, A clams a sandwich and
Speaker 1: the shower and one the Australian opened by seven shots.
Speaker 1: I remember that in saying what can if they believe
Speaker 1: that they could do it? You know. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I remember the beginning of the in the Desert. I
Speaker 1: didn't start off very well, almost the first three cuts
Speaker 1: of the earth. Um. And I came back in salt
Speaker 1: Cliffe for about two weeks and um, you know, we
Speaker 1: just went back to kind of my old seal and
Speaker 1: my old swing. And yeah, I was a little worried
Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, you want to stop playing better
Speaker 1: because the year was getting on, um, and we're we're
Speaker 1: so out of my short game for about four months,
Speaker 1: you know, the first four months the year. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got onto a role and she's it's amazing
Speaker 1: how how how it's changed. But I'm really excited. I
Speaker 1: can't can't wait to get back and play in the States.
Speaker 1: I must say. The other day, I've got very choked
Speaker 1: up a guy who would be a picture to sign
Speaker 1: and I looked at it and I thought there was
Speaker 1: a junior next to me, and I said, see who's
Speaker 1: that and he said, that's Garrett. You go at the
Speaker 1: Junior President's Cup. Yeah, I remember that. That was I
Speaker 1: don't know what I was doing, shaking your hand or
Speaker 1: giving you a trophy or something, and I think giving
Speaker 1: us the medals all we think, well, we obviously finished second,
Speaker 1: but I think you were giving us the medals. But
Speaker 1: that was an awesome experience as well. And who else
Speaker 1: were with the so so Travil was up captain and
Speaker 1: obviously you were also um and we had Luca Philippi
Speaker 1: another South African Jaden Shaper and just to Lampa, it
Speaker 1: was as four South Africans with obviously the rest of
Speaker 1: that with the rest of the team. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually played all right. We we didn't do well
Speaker 1: in the four balls, we lost quite badly, but in
Speaker 1: the singles we beat them. If you had to go
Speaker 1: on the yeah we beat them. Contrament board it was,
Speaker 1: but it's quite a few points. Yeah. So I mean, Gary,
Speaker 1: your your opinion on this would be valuable. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of people have come up to me and said,
Speaker 1: you know, how are you going to play Augusta because
Speaker 1: I had draws, you know, um, But I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I need to change. I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: need to change my game to play there. I feel
Speaker 1: like I can I can figure it out the way
Speaker 1: i'd play absolutely, and are you and I walk around.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk around with you. I don't know how
Speaker 1: far I could walk on net golf course. Man, it's
Speaker 1: a tough course. I can't believe you. But I'm definitely
Speaker 1: coming to walk a bit with you. Be interesting to
Speaker 1: discuss a few things. And that doesn't matter. You've left
Speaker 1: handed with you. The fairway is there, the board doesn't
Speaker 1: know that it's a dog leg, and you'll you'll be comfortable.
Speaker 1: But there are different, diffinite things about Augusta that are
Speaker 1: very very valuable to to know because it is a
Speaker 1: different golf course, there's no question about So that's going
Speaker 1: to be great funds for you. Yeah, what great fun is.
Speaker 1: What's gonna be greatest fun of all is when you
Speaker 1: come back the next year with the green jacket into
Speaker 1: the big dinner exactly. Oh that would mean unreal. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: thank you alright, perfect. Thanks Gary,