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Speaker 1: And we are good way, What is up? Everybody? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Action Network Podcast, presented by FanDuel. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, Chris Raybaon, and I am joined by the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Degenerate Nation, my guy Stucky Stuck. What's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 3: Cot On brother joing the off season? Oh that's brief,

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Speaker 3: only a couple of weeks here we are talking. NFL

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Speaker 3: goes fast. NFL is a year round sport. So it's

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Speaker 3: good to see you again. All you up in New

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Speaker 3: York for the Elite Eight. It was good times and

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Speaker 3: I saw some listeners. I'm sure some of you are

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Speaker 3: listening to this were up there. It's nice to meet

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Speaker 3: some of you all, but uh, it'll be nice to

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Speaker 3: just kind of wet the beat. Talk a little NFL

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Speaker 3: off season pre draft. Probably won't get into too many

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Speaker 3: actual win totals, but if you're looking for, you know,

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Speaker 3: some long shots, just like last year. I know we

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Speaker 3: talked about things like, hey, Jags for the division, you know, Vikings,

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, and uh, good seeing you too, brother, and

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Speaker 1: shouts to all of the listeners who came out and

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Speaker 1: saw us in Jersey. Hopefully we get to do that again.

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Speaker 1: I know you did one in Cleveland as well. But

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Speaker 1: on this episode we're gonna be talking at AFC win totals,

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Speaker 1: and uh, let's jump right into it with the AFC

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Speaker 1: East and I'll start with the highest, and that is

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Ken and a half at FanDuel is

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Speaker 1: their win total juiced to the over at minus one

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Speaker 1: point thirty. The under is plus one oh five.

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Speaker 2: Stuck.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the Bills this year? I

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Speaker 1: know you've been highing them in the past. McDermott. Interestingly

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Speaker 1: enough for the win total, he's five and one to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they I mean, look, they're basically the Bills. We

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Speaker 2: Is number one in my power ratings.

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Speaker 3: But they're basically running it back right Like if you

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Speaker 3: look at their roster and you'll get like Trey White,

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Speaker 3: he's your number one corner. He's getting a little long

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Speaker 3: if you look at their team and then you compare

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Speaker 3: it from last year to this, it's okay. Basically we

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Speaker 3: There's still some questions I have on the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: They signed McGovern, but this is one of the better

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Speaker 3: division now is assuming and we'll talk about this, assuming

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Speaker 3: at some point in time. Their division now is much

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Speaker 3: much more difficult. There are questions at quarterback with all

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Speaker 3: the three teams, you have to feel best if you're

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Speaker 3: this is one of the premier teams still in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: and they're basically saying, let's run it back with what

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Speaker 3: We'll see if Trey White can get back to his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you and I have talked about

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Speaker 1: And that's what I feel with Buffalo. And I look

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Speaker 1: over to stay away from me for now. But if

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Speaker 1: just take that juice at one oh five and go under.

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Speaker 3: There's still some quarterback movement like in this division round,

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Speaker 3: the difference between Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets or

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Speaker 2: But the you know, the Jets have no value to me.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's been priced in that Rogers is going

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Speaker 3: You know, still it's way you hold your money's going

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Speaker 3: you see, it's substantial value in Miami from a you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe from a division it's like three to one. I

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Speaker 3: from like an either an AFC or a super Bowl perspective.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I like what Miami did in the off season.

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Speaker 3: I think that their offensive line will be better, especially

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Speaker 3: after the draft. You know, you bring in Ramsey, you

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Speaker 3: tour right, like does Tua take that next step? And

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Speaker 3: if he does, I mean that's the variant part of this.

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Speaker 3: Then Miami has a super Bowl caliber roster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's talk Miami. They win total is nine

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Speaker 1: so you get some juice if you like the over.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you know you mentioned TOOA,

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Speaker 1: step in with this defense. Now you know you have

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Speaker 2: you got Long?

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Speaker 1: You got you got David Long from the Titans, very

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Speaker 1: good linebacker. So there's the defense now is a little

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Speaker 1: bit more balanced. You know, there's not as many holes

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Speaker 1: you know, they signed both of their running backs. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is still Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: He did this like that.

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Speaker 1: This is why I'm hesitant to you know, investing the

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Speaker 1: depending on you know, who's healthy for them at the time.

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Speaker 1: So and Jamn Ramsey's big. I mean, come on, you know,

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Speaker 1: many more more present things, you know, like more current

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Speaker 1: The road schedule. You know, they do play the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: at their home schedule, it's not really that bad. You

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Speaker 1: to be the hardest, you know, pretty much your hardest

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Speaker 1: this Miami team, I think they could be neck and

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Speaker 1: neck with Buffalo. I wouldn't be surprised at all, especially

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Speaker 1: if Tua stays healthy. If Tua stays healthy, you know,

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Speaker 1: Miami's got a real shot. So I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: who you bet in this division. Because yeah, you don't

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Speaker 1: want the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Jets are valued and.

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Speaker 3: As a result, you're getting some value on Miami here

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Speaker 3: and look, I'm going to pammeer the sum of a

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Speaker 3: big believer in like the age charge for certain positions,

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Speaker 3: and I always you hear me. Obviously, you're probably sick

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Speaker 3: of me talking about like when corners man reached like

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Speaker 3: thirty so and one of Miami's biggest problems last year

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Speaker 3: was on defense, their their cornerback situation and thought of

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Speaker 3: it was because of injuries, right, and but now if

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Speaker 3: you go and cornerback obviously is one of the most

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Speaker 3: important positions in the NFL in passing league. Now, if

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Speaker 3: you have Chubb for the whole year, I think Phillips

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Speaker 3: you have a bounce back year from Howard and Ramsey,

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Speaker 3: who by the way, twenty eight twenty nine like this

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Speaker 3: I always feel like some shit put a clown nose on.

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Speaker 3: offseason will be mentioned that Mike Tomlin has never had

434
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Speaker 3: a losing season.

435
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season eleven and

436
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Speaker 1: five over on the win total in his career. Look

437
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time. Look at your work. Each

438
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: of the last three years, the Steelers have gone over.

439
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a few reasons here why the steer team.

440
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: They're kind of they look like they're in purgatory right now.

441
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: But the reason why, I think they have some upside.

442
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: Number one Pickett, you never know if he takes a

443
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Speaker 1: step forward a year or two. You know, he's got

444
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: two good weapons on the outside, and Johnson and Pickens.

445
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: But this team also has three picks in the top fifty.

446
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: So you look at the roster right now and you say, Okay,

447
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: you know they got Patrick Peterson, but he's older. They

448
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: probably need another cornerback or two. But like this team

449
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: has been known to find quality players that can play

450
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: right away, and they'll probably find another receiver, not even

451
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Speaker 1: with one of those top fifty picks. So this team,

452
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Speaker 1: I think you could be looking sitting here after the

453
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Speaker 1: drafts and saying, hey, you know, Cincinnati didn't get a

454
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: lot better, they probably got worse. Baltimore's and Wimbo Pittsburgh's

455
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna be likely that fourth place team in terms of

456
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Speaker 1: the odds. So I don't even mind Pittsburgh here. And

457
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: if you look at their schedule, I think especially we

458
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: know Tom win as an underdog and this team always

459
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: shows up, well, you're gonna be an underdog more on

460
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Speaker 1: the road. Look, their road slate is very winnable this year, Seattle, Rams, Raiders, Colts,

461
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: Texans all winnable road games. And then of course they're

462
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna be in every game in the division, even the

463
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati game. So I think Pittsburgh is going to be

464
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Speaker 1: a team that could kind of steal some games, some

465
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Speaker 1: close games on the road.

466
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Speaker 2: And always going to steal a couple of team that's

467
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: better than them too.

468
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Speaker 1: Exactly, and I mean even at home. I mean they

469
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Speaker 1: got Sam fran and Jacksonville and Cincinnati obviously in the division,

470
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: but New England, Green Bay, Tennessee, Arizona this schedule, and

471
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Speaker 1: I know things could change, but as I'm sitting here

472
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Speaker 1: right now, the schedule looks very favorable for Pittsburgh. The coaches,

473
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Speaker 1: the coaching is there, the draft capital was there. So

474
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Speaker 1: I like Pittsburgh as another kind of a poor man's

475
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Speaker 1: version of Cleveland because there's a lot more of a

476
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: projection there, but whereas Cleveland kind of has it ready

477
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Speaker 1: to go. But I wouldn't be surprised to see both

478
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Speaker 1: of those teams overperform and Cincinnati and potentially Baltimore underperform.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard.

480
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Speaker 3: It's I couldn't get behind the steel super both future though,

481
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: I don't think that they have that kind of upside.

482
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: And the reason for that is in order, like, if

483
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Speaker 3: you put the Steelers in the NFC, yeah, that's tight

484
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Speaker 3: into the future. I the quarterback, Actually you have to

485
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: get through to get to the super Bowl in the

486
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: AFC is ridiculous. So, I mean that's part of the

487
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Speaker 3: reason why I'm like with the Ravens.

488
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Speaker 2: Look you bring in Beckham algalarn if you.

489
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Speaker 3: Received look lad, I mean one of the reasons, one

490
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: of the reason I wanted to buy the Ravens this

491
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: year was their horrific injury luck last year. I mean

492
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: it was the last two years, right, They're due to

493
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 3: just have some positive injury luck. Bengals, by the way,

494
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: another reason they could have some injury regression. They've been

495
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: I know their offensive line started to go down last year,

496
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: but they've been overall, especially like in most important players.

497
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: But pretty fortunate in the past couple of years.

498
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: But I'm really concerned about the Ravens secondary. I like,

499
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I like their safeties obviously, but their corners.

500
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: It's like, I trust Humphrey and then who else right now?

501
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: Their edge rush right now? A lot of questions and

502
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: what's going to happen with Lamar Jackson. I really don't know,

503
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: but there's there's.

504
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Definitely still some holes on the show outside.

505
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: I think that they you know, you could like re

506
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: sign a couple veterans to help with your edge rush

507
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: and corner you can you know, maybe I think they're

508
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: probably gonna go a corner in the first round of

509
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: the draft. But just with all the Lamar Jackson uncertainty,

510
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: Like last year when I we did this podcast, one

511
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: of the futures I bought with the Ravens, I think

512
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: there were thirty or forty to one, Like they're like

513
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: twenty one to one.

514
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Speaker 2: No thank you, And yeah, as a fan, I don't.

515
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: I kind of hope you know that that something ends

516
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: up going down and we just get a bunch of

517
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: first round draft picks and like when the Bengals have

518
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: to pay Burrow and then you know, a couple more

519
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: years where the AFC might not be as tough. You

520
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 3: might I wouldn't mind this as a fan of sacrificing

521
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: a couple of years of mediocrity. But just like the

522
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Speaker 3: s East, I think the a C North the team

523
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: to attack from a futures perspective right now, whether you

524
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: want to go division or higher upside as the Browns, yeah,

525
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: I've and to.

526
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Speaker 1: Be clear, yeah, I wouldn't been a super Bowl future

527
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: on the Steelers. I'm talking about win total, but I'm

528
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: talking about division. If you look at the division odds

529
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: right now at FanDuel, the Bengals and Ravens are number

530
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: one and two at plus one fifteen and plus two sixty.

531
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: The Browns are plus three fifty. The Steelers are plus

532
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: six fifty. So you could throw like a whatever, a

533
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: quarter of a unit. You could kind of hedge it

534
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: out whatever way you want to split, split your unit

535
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: on the Browns and the Steelers. But I think both

536
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: of those like this is going to be closer than

537
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: people think in my opinion.

538
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 3: So I think as of right now, when you throw

539
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: into Lamar uncertainty, which could what's something that could happen,

540
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: the Browns should be the second they should be have

541
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: the second highest start. I think that'd be. I think

542
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: that's a good bet right now. That could move on

543
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: Draft night, and I think this is a good time

544
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: to bet that.

545
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: I might. I'm actually I'm gonna bet that one to

546
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: that Browns division today.

547
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I think I think Browns, Dolphins, both

548
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: of them make sense. I'll probably jump on those, all right. Yeah,

549
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: And the Ravens win total, by the way, is eight

550
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: and a half juiced to the over. So it's it's

551
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: weird because like the Browns are nine and a half

552
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: juice to way to the under. So's they kind of

553
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: got them equal almost, but they got the Ravens with

554
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: better odds to win the division. So yeah, I think

555
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: that's that's how you want to attack it, at least

556
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: right now. All right, let's go to the AFC South

557
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: and this division could get ugly unlike prior years. I mean,

558
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: it's the Jaguars are kind of sitting here all alone

559
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: at the top. The win totals nine and a half

560
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: minus one fifty four juice to the over, so it's

561
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: they're almost they're basically saying, it's you know, over under

562
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: ten wins at FanDuel you know, this team, they didn't

563
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: do a ton in the offseason. After the big offseason

564
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: the year before, they'll get Calvin Ridley back. They lose

565
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones, but that's fine because they get count Ridley back.

566
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: But you lose a tackle and then that's it. They're

567
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: pretty much yeah.

568
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: You still there's still a lot of I mean, there's

569
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: still a lot of questions. So I was curious to

570
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: really get your thoughts on this because last year I

571
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: had the Jags seven to one to win the division.

572
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: And just think about this time last year when we

573
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: were talking about the Jags, right, there was seven to

574
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: one to win the division. And obviously things worked out

575
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: right and Trevor Lawrence took the next step four. But

576
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: if you really look at like their division, everyone fell apart.

577
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: It didn't beat too many great teams, and the Moraca's

578
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: come back in the playoffs. There's still holes on this defense,

579
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: and they have a first place schedule now, so the

580
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: schedule is not easy. So I'm saying, all right, the

581
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: Jags went from seven to one to now minus one fifty, Like,

582
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: how can I tactic if I think the Jags are

583
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: at the peak of their value and probably a little

584
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: overrated coming into this season, and then I try to

585
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: make a case somewhere and it becomes very difficult. You

586
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: have two new head coaches, with the Colts and the

587
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: Texans bringing new head coaches. The Titans elevated their passing

588
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: game coordinator to offensive coordinator, but there's major questions across

589
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: the boarder quarterback. It looks like the Texans aren't going

590
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: to draft a quarterback based on everything that I know

591
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: as of right now, looks like they're going to go

592
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: edge rusher.

593
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: But we'll see.

594
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: Maybe they are targeting a quarterback next year. It seems

595
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: crazy to me to not for the Texans not there.

596
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm not buying all that yet. I mean, it's they

597
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: they're sitting there, They're sitting there in like pole position.

598
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I think they're just having fun and kind of seeing

599
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: what kind of you know what they can kind of

600
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: stir up here. Like I'm not buying that they're just

601
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: already out on a quarterback like that. That to me

602
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: just seems crazy.

603
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: Given the well regardless, you're gonna have a rookie quarterback

604
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: with not a great roster. Same thing with the Colts,

605
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: right the Colts, as of right now, their quarterback is Minshew,

606
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: but presumably they're going to draft a quarterback. Some of

607
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks that they're targeting, I'm not a believer in

608
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: especially year one. And they still question on that offensive line.

609
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: The roster is just really poorly constructing cause all that

610
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: money they threw out the offensive line which didn't pan out.

611
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: So then you want to answer, does all you want

612
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: to answer? Answer here?

613
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: Bro answer like you So basically like, look you what

614
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: they're they're young on the offensive line. Now, they brought

615
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: in some some guys on the on the left side

616
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: that I think will help. It's a very underwhelming wide

617
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: receiver room. You think that they'll probably bring in somebody

618
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: else on the draft day or maybe bringing a veteran there.

619
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Speaker 3: There are still questions.

620
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Now.

621
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Speaker 3: The one thing that gives me a little pause, it's

622
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: like you still hear things about like Henry and Tannehill

623
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: and Tannehill is a top five cap hit again this year.

624
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: So like do the Titans say, like, boom, blow it up, right,

625
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: and then just we.

626
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna blow it up for good and then we're gonna,

627
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: you know, rebuild here a little bit and trade Henry.

628
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: You know, Henry's getting older. Too, get some money there,

629
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: and so.

630
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: There's always that risk, right that, and then like who's

631
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: the quarterback? But it sounds like they're gonna roll with

632
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: Tan Allen Henry won last year and the defense was

633
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: had so many injuries last year. There's still some good

634
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: pieces there with Autrey and Simmons and company. They had

635
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: some young corners with potential. They got a lot of

636
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: depth there that would just have to get thrown into

637
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: the fire. And then it's Rabel, Like Rabel's going to

638
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: overperform and win games, win close games, win games that

639
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: they shouldn't and now you're getting them plus three forty

640
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: that how's that not the move?

641
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh, it's absolutely to move like the Titans. You know

642
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna sneak up more people because invitations.

643
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: Now to Yeah, like I feel like that's when a

644
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Vrabel team thrives.

645
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: We we all just have that Josh Dobbs, you know,

646
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: the Josh Jobs era seared in our heads, and you know,

647
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: you had the the firing of the GM and there

648
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: are just a lot going on there. But at the

649
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, Mike Raber wants to win. He's

650
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: gone four and one over the win total in his career.

651
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: The schedule is not prohibitive at all, especially when you

652
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: consider you're playing the Texans twice and the Coats twice,

653
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: and that you know, a Jaguars team, a beatable Jaguars

654
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: team at least, you know in the division. And like

655
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: you said, this team, the defense is always gonna have guys,

656
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: Like it's they got Murphy bunching out at corner. They

657
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: Folton's not bad. I mean, like They're defense is always

658
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: gonna have guys. They still got Tannel and Henry Birks

659
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: could take a step forward year two for wide receivers.

660
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he was, he was, He came on.

661
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Right, and they could still add another you know guy

662
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: in the drafts, which they probably have to.

663
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

664
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: So, I think this Titan team, you could be sitting

665
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: here in a few months and it just be the

666
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: same Titans as it every year. You know, It's like, oh,

667
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: they might win eight games, they might win nine games,

668
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: they might win ten games, but they're definitely gonna be

669
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: competing for this division title. I think there it's them

670
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars, and then there's a pretty big, bigger

671
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: gap than I think the win total suggests between the

672
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: Colts uh and then the Detexans. The Titans win total

673
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: right now seven and a half. The Colts is six

674
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: and a half. And I don't know. I mean the

675
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Colts they lost a carric they lose Stefan Gilmour, who

676
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: had a really good season for them.

677
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and their secondary is a mess. They're off of

678
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: the line still a mess. They're spinning their wib Yeah.

679
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like it's like every time you

680
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: think this team is about to take a step forward,

681
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: they they just lose just enough guys to kind of

682
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: bring them.

683
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: Back to that.

684
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: You know, even if they make them some good moves

685
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: on draft Day, I mean, is this team gonna be

686
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: like the colt If the Colts have a good draft,

687
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: and they do have a lot of h they do

688
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of picks, especially on Day three, so

689
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: maybe they'll get some depth. But like I feel like

690
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: the Colts upside is to be the Titans at this point.

691
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's you're not like the Colts aren't really

692
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a factor in my opinion, you know, even

693
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: if they have a rookie quarterback, I think it's gonna

694
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some growing pains. Obviously, got the uh,

695
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: the new head coach and Psychen so I and I

696
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: still don't trust the you know, the ownership, who knows

697
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: what you know that that's kind of a negative for

698
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: me with this team. So yeah, I'm not not a

699
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: big believer in the Colts. I think it's Titans or

700
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: nothing here in this In the AFC South.

701
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would they go over seven and a half

702
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: betting that now, like there is still some.

703
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: Risk that they just blow it up. But so I

704
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: think the move right now, if you're going about the

705
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: Titans is the division. Yeah, through fire upside and if

706
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: they're going over seven and a half wins, they're gonna

707
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: be in in the mix at least with the Jacksonman

708
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: now is to play a much more difficult schedule after

709
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Speaker 3: winning that division. So yeah, I think it's the Titans

710
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: of the Texans. I mean, they're the Texans. They brought

711
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: in some veterans. They're going to suck again. We'll see

712
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: what they do with the future of their quarterback situation.

713
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: But yeah's back to a rable year. I completely agree.

714
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's close it out with the AFC West.

715
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos win total at FanDuel is eight and

716
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: a half plus one hundred to the over, minus one

717
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: twenty two to the under. The Las Vegas Raiders win

718
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: total seven and a half plus one twenty six to

719
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: the over, minus won sixty juice to the under, so

720
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Speaker 1: that win total is more like seven flat. And the

721
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Chargers win total and nine and a half slightly juiced

722
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: to the under at minus one fifteen. And we'll start

723
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: with the Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. The win

724
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: total is eleven and a half. Andy, you might have

725
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: heard him nine to one over. The win total with

726
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs wasn't too bad in Philly either.

727
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: The schedules the third hardest according to opposing win totals.

728
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: They do lose Brown and bring in Taylor, and I

729
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: still think that's a downgrade. I know you're not super

730
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: high on Brown. They lose hard when they lose Miths Schuster,

731
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: they lose Thornhill. I don't think the team got better,

732
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: but it's still Patrick Mahomes And you got Andy Reid

733
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: with that nine in one mark, So do you go

734
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: back to the well with Casey?

735
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

736
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Speaker 3: Another interesting thing to watch is like, look, I mean,

737
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: because of the money that he gave Mahomes, now, look,

738
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: they hit some in the draft, so they're going with

739
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: a pure youth movement on defense. Their oldest player on

740
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: their defensive roster it was Chris Jones is twenty eight.

741
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: But he might get there's like rumors that he might

742
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: get trade.

743
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: We'll see.

744
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: He wants to be paid and you can't pay everyone

745
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: on that team with Mahomes. I don't know if something's

746
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: gonna happen there. I think that they'll probably come to something,

747
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: but we'll see, because if you don't, So if you

748
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: take Chris Jones out of that defense, we know they dud.

749
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be great, but they probably were like

750
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: finished just slightly below average last year.

751
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: I think I had them rated.

752
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: That's all they need, right you just but could could

753
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: they be like a If they're even worse than that,

754
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: then you know, obviously they're probably still gonna make the playoffs.

755
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: Andn you have Mahomes and you're in the mix.

756
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: But then you have a bottom six seven eight defense,

757
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: then this team's attackable in the betting market as far

758
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: as maybe their win total is a bit high. And

759
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 3: then at minus one fifty to win the division, they say, Okay,

760
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: how do I want to attack this and my You know,

761
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: the Raiders are a mess right now, and they have

762
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: holes all over the roster, I mean all over. The

763
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 3: Broncos are interesting because they bring in Peyton, but that's

764
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: do you Russell Wilson. I don't, so some people might

765
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: make the case that russ could still find it. I'm

766
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: not in that camp, So that leads me with the Chargers,

767
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: who obviously have a ton of talent. I think there's

768
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: upside with the offensive coordinator change, which I think will

769
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: only help from a play calong perspective. What worries me

770
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: is their depth. Like the Chargers' depth is horrendous across

771
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: the board all over, like especially defensive end where they're

772
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: old linebacker, safety, Like, there's just a lot of depth questions.

773
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: It seems really thin, top heavy. So if there's injuries anywhere,

774
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, things get dire quick. You know,

775
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: they bring in Kendricks at linebacker after losing Tranquil and

776
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: went to the Chiefs. Other than that, it's pretty much

777
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: the same team. Herbert might take a step forward, but

778
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: I think the offense coordinator change is a good thing,

779
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: so I would maybe look at the charges there. I'm

780
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: a little worried about the depth, but that's about it.

781
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: Curious to get your thoughts here.

782
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Chargers to me, would be the

783
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: only choice, and they are plus three forty, which you know,

784
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: we've kind of been choosing a team that's around those

785
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: odds in each division, saying, you know, if we're gonna

786
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: attack something this early, you know, pre draft, it's gonna

787
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: be that. So that's the way I would lean. But

788
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't have as much conviction with the Chargers as

789
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: with the other three that you know, the others that

790
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: we mentioned, just because I think the Chiefs, I actually

791
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: like what they're doing on defense. I thought that helped

792
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: them last year too, because they they've been trying us forever.

793
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we got we got Mahomes. Our defense sucks.

794
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: Every year we try to bring in we you know,

795
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: we plug a whole here and we open up another

796
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: one in there. And you know, they just started saying, hey,

797
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: let's get young, let's get fast, and our guys are

798
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes, but we'll play them a lot, you know,

799
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get a lot of work because Mahomes

800
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: always puts up the thirty plus points, so they the

801
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: defense gets a lot of seasoning throughout the year, and

802
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: we're just gonna roll them and hope they do enough

803
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: for us, you know, come playoff Tom. I think that's

804
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: probably what every team is trying to figure out, that

805
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: formula to win while paying their quarterback. And I think

806
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are actually kind of making a sharp play

807
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: here and just saying, hey, let's go young on defense,

808
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: and let's not spend a ton of money on it,

809
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: but let's just you know, spend draft capital and and

810
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: have some speed and be able to run with these

811
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: guys who are gonna have to put up thirty on us.

812
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: So I still think the Chiefs, like if I was

813
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: if I was between saying, like, what's the better value

814
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: the Chargers plus three forty or the Chiefs minus one sixty,

815
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: it actually would be pretty close. Like I probably still

816
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: go with the Chargers for the plus money odds, But

817
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't think the Chiefs are necessarily that overvalue here.

818
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I not a believer in the Broncos. I agree. I

819
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: think Sean Payton. First of all, we don't even know

820
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: what Sean Payton's gonna look like, and it's gonna be

821
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: year one, you know, we just he's not necessarily just

822
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: gonna come and I know he's talking that kind of

823
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: game and saying, oh, we're gonna change this, We're gonna

824
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: change that. But realistically, we see this all the time.

825
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: It takes time, you know, it takes We've even saw this,

826
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: We've seen this in other sports, like we've seen this

827
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: in the NBA with Luca and Kyrie and Katie and

828
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: the playoffs with the Sons, like these things take time.

829
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: So to ask Russ to do a complete oneint eighty

830
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: and Sean Payton to come in and just right off

831
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: the bat have this team rolling and competing with the

832
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: champs and the Chargers team that I still think, uh,

833
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: you know is is just as good or better than

834
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: them on paper. I think that's a lot to ask for.

835
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: So for me, yeah, it's it's the charges if you

836
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: want a long shot. But I actually think the Chiefs

837
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Chiefs got this once again, barring an injury to some mahomes, Yeah.

838
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: I would like to see the Chiefs. I mean, like

839
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: there are some questions the rosters.

840
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: You would expect that that tackle get new tackles right,

841
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: and then especially if you lose Chris Jones on defense,

842
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: he's just such an impactful player in many different ways.

843
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: And you know you lose Thornhill, but receiver receiver too,

844
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: That's what I.

845
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: Was about to say, Like they they've hit on enough

846
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: young players in the draft on defense where spag Nola

847
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: can make it work, they could use some like another

848
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: reliable edge rusher, but the receiver, like you're are you

849
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: really going to count on like Tony, Like how many?

850
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: How many games could you expect them to play?

851
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: They got to take they got to take some receivers

852
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: with them.

853
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: They need to get another weapon.

854
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: On the outside, which I think that they'll probably I mean, look,

855
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: Mahomes their quarterback. I think that they'll probably address between

856
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: now and uh the beginning of the season. And yeah,

857
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: I just like if you look at the Broncos, you know,

858
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: I like some of the moves that they they did,

859
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: you know, along the offensive line. And I we'll see

860
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: if Williams can come back healthy. That's another thing to

861
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: keep the keep brown when he's gonna be ready. But

862
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: you have to just and they have bad injury luck

863
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: with it last year. But Russ now, like what made

864
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: Russ great is no longer like a viable sustainable attack

865
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: at his age, right, like he was never the I'm

866
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: gonna sit in the pocket. He made things happen with

867
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: his legs and then just would make incredible, the most

868
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: incredible deep offers you ever see. But it's not Look

869
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: at the last three years, right, he's basically run off

870
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: three offensive coordinators who put three different ones who couldn't

871
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: make it work. And we saw the offensive coordinator in

872
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: Seattle make it work with Gino Smith the very next year.

873
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: So I think it's a major leap of faith to

874
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: just say, oh, Sean Payton, it's a great play car,

875
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 3: amazing coach. He's just gonna Russ is just gonna be

876
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: back to the rust that we saw, you know, ten

877
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: years ago. So yeah, I can't get behind the Broncos.

878
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: So I think it's chrudged nothing. And yeah, it might

879
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: not be enough, like the Chiefs are such a low

880
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: floor barring. You know, obviously Mahomes gets hurt the and

881
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: yeah this is probably the Charger's division. But I mean,

882
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: if Herbert gets hurt, the same thing you said about

883
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: any team, maybe if I were to attack the Chargers,

884
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: it's like I really think they need to stay healthy.

885
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: Like their depth of major question. But their defense is

886
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: always gonna be well scouted and the offensive coordinator change.

887
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: I think that really held Herbert back. So and if

888
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 3: Herbert takes another step forward and they stay healthy, then

889
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 3: you can put you could argue that the Chargers could

890
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: maybe hop it out upper echelon. So maybe I would

891
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: look at like an AFC or Super Bowl future as

892
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: looking at the Chargers as a way to if you

893
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: wanted to get exposure there because it's just so hard

894
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: to go against the Chiefs in that division because they

895
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: have such a low floor with Mahomes.

896
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, high floor.

897
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't mind a super Bowl future with the Chargers

898
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: because they're one of the few teams that has that

899
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: quarterback that I say, Okay, if they get in a match,

900
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: if they get into the playoffs, can they beat you know,

901
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: an Alan and of Mahomes. You know who's their quarterback?

902
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: It's it's Herbert. Okay, yeah, you could. You know it's

903
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna it would take a while.

904
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: Like a Flacco, but he was he'd be more realistic Flaco,

905
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: Like when Flacco beat Luck Brady and Manning, like that's

906
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: basically the AFC. Now, like you gotta go beat Alan

907
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: Mahomes Burrow, who's a quarterback in the AFC that you

908
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: could see doing that. The answer is, you know you could.

909
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: You could maybe throw Trevor Lawrence up up there. But

910
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: the Charges are a better roster, and Herbert's definitely in

911
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: that conversation, and the Raiders are I don't know what

912
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: the Raiders are doing, so yeah, there, I can't get

913
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: behind the Raiders as muchs I would love to the Raiders.

914
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean I I did not like what the Raiders

915
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: did on defense. We know their defense year in year

916
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: out is just awful. And once again last year it

917
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: was a bottom three defense. And they add all these

918
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: guys that were jelly yeah, like uh, Duke Shelley, Robert Splane,

919
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Facing, Marcus Epps. All these guys are uh at

920
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: least last year they were below average players, you know,

921
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: and they lose Andrew Billings, who was like one of

922
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: their better defenders. I mean, this defense could be worse.

923
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: And you have Josh McDaniels there, and he's an offensive guy,

924
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: so he's thinking about the offense. Well, you go and

925
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: get Jimmy Garoppolo and he's been great you know in

926
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: the in the in the Shanahan scheme and and whatnot.

927
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: But this guy can't stay healthy. You're bringing Jacoby Myers.

928
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: We saw how Carr struggled, you know, kind of wearing

929
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: that system. Garoppolo knows the system, but a lot of

930
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: the pieces are new.

931
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the defense is so the defense is so bad,

932
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: and playing in the AFC, that's just a recipe for disaster.

933
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: I think Duke Shelley right now projects they're starting outside

934
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: cornerback like that's your like, like there's nothing that really

935
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: inspires confidence on this defense outside of Max Crosby and

936
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: then you know, maybe you get a Jones bounced back.

937
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: But defense is horrific. And yeah, Jimmy G, how many

938
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: games is he gonna play?

939
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's rough, I mean see.

940
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: And also, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo, I've always loved Jimmy G.

941
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: I think he's great, but you got to put him

942
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: in position to succeed. And we know the flaws with

943
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. You know, throwing outside the numbers. You can't

944
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: put him in the shootout type of situations.

945
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: He's not gonna win. Get he can.

946
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a perfect game manager, will you know, in

947
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: with on a winning team, he'd be a great veteran

948
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: quarterback to that but this isn't a winning roster team

949
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: right now, and then throwing the injury concerns and yeah,

950
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what the Raiders are doing, so no,

951
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: thank you, all right.

952
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: That is going to wrap it up for our AFC win.

953
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: Totis Pod, I think you're.

954
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: Just summon up.

955
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: We're on the same page, Titans, Browns, and Dolphins division futures.

956
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: If you want to take longer shots, maybe a charger

957
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: of super Bowl future. But yeah, I think that there

958
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: are opportunities to attack the top heavyness of the AFC

959
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: with some of these teams that are in the second

960
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: tier that have some upside. And I think that the

961
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: teams that fit the bill the most are the Dolphins

962
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 3: and the Browns. And then just the fact that you're

963
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: in the AFC South. The Jaguars is the peak of

964
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 3: the value from seven to one last year to minus

965
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: one fifty trust and very able to overperform. I think

966
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: that there's some value in the Titans. I don't think

967
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 3: they have a super Bowl team, but in that division

968
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: at the current price, especially given the other two teams

969
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: situations in the Colts and Texans, I think that's the

970
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: way to go there. So I think We're pretty much

971
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: on the same page here to start.

972
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing I think I like the Steelers

973
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: more than you, so like the Steelers are kind of

974
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: in that mix for me. But yeah, and then kind

975
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: of we're off the Jets, We're off the Broncos are

976
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 1: off the Raiders. So yeah, pretty much on the same page.

977
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: That is going to wrap it. For our AFC Win

978
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,200
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979
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,959
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980
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981
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982
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