WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Keddie Murders 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:16.960 Thinking Sideways. I don't just stories of things we simply 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:22.320 don't know the answer too. Hi. There, Welcome to another 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.920 episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as always by 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:30.000 my lovely co host and Steve and your normal co 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:38.599 host Steve's that was very nice. Sorry, yeah, I'm lovely. Yeah. Alright, 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.520 so we're gonna and we're gonna solve another cool mystery 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.960 this week. Our mystery um this week is set in 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.160 the town of Ketty, California, And of course we're talking 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:53.239 about the Ketty UFO incident. Don't get people's hopes now, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.280 I know no UFOs and Ketty and there might have 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.760 been I don't know, but just a brief warning. This 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.640 is this is about multiple murder mystery and it's kind 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.240 of gruesome. Yeah. Yeah, it's not nice. I was not 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.120 excited doing the research. Yeah, I don't want to. You 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.600 should have watched the documentary. Na, did you read the 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.679 autopsy reports? Maybe was it in the research? Yeah? Then yes, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.360 I don't blame you for skipping them. At least there 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.640 are no photos, although you know it's funny. No, go ahead, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.480 I'm talking to go off on that rabbit hole. Yeah, okay, 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.400 so we're talking about the kitty murders. Yes, famous kiddy 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.960 murders from one. But first I want to give a 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:39.000 shout out to our listener, Clarissa. Hello Clarissa. Sorry Clarissa. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.360 I'm sure you get that a lot, so sorry. But anyway, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.120 Actually I found this one on my own like a 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.480 while back, and as I was researching it for this 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.040 week's episode, I went through the listeners suggestions and discovered 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.080 the guests actually somebody had suggested it, so you get 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:59.280 to have credit where credits do indeed. So yeah, thanks Clarissa. Okay, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.640 let's talk about Ketty briefly. So, Kenny, California is a 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:07.280 very small town. It's getting smaller. It's yeah. Population and yeah, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.119 population in the year two thousand was nineties six. Population 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.400 in two thousand ten was sixty six. That's almost like 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.440 wag entire O. I know. It's uh. It started out 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.640 actually it's kind of successful. When it was first founded, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.960 I believe in nineteen ten, it was a kind of 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.600 a waypoint on the rail line up to you seventy 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.120 or somewhere, or off to Utah. But and so there 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.680 was a nice little resort there and it was a 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.880 pleasant little place, nice scenery, but it had followed on 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:32.760 hard times by the time and by the time our 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.600 mystery had occurred and it was not really so much 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.920 a resort town anymore. There were still all these cabins 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.919 in the resort. The guy, but the guy who bought 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.760 the resort owned it. Tourists were coming there, so he 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.600 wounded up renting the cabins out his low income housing. Well, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:52.480 it was nice of him, pad mortgage. Yeah. Yeah, when 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.560 you find tennants where you can find tennants, yeah, but 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.800 then have to be low income housing. So we're so 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.880 people have an idea. You know, Caddy is close to 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:08.360 what major town for people to know, it's about ninety 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.920 miles northwest of Reno, about about eighty miles east of 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:21.280 Red Bluff, California, About sixty miles maybe northeast of Chico, California. Yeah, well, 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.160 it's like, yeah, the whole areas in National Forest that's 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.600 in the middle of the what what national Forests? I 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.280 think it's the National Forest because it's in Pluis County. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:36.600 That would make Yeah, you know that area of California 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.440 is really beautiful to see. Eras are just really nice. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.480 have you ever gone on any of those? Uh? I mean, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.640 obviously I've never been to this particular town, but have 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.040 you ever driven through some of that area. Yeah, it's 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.800 a slow drive, but it's not because it's windy roads. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.440 It's because you want to take a look around. Yeah, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.840 except you don't want to stop in Kitty. I know, 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.960 I don't know. Yeah, our mystery begins in Ketty, in 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.560 Cabin twenty eight of the resort, which is, of course 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.880 not not really a resort anymore. Cabin was being rented 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.320 to Glenness Sharp, who went by the name of Sue 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.839 and her five kids, Uh, John, Sheila, Tina, Ricky and Gregg. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.680 She had a lot of kids, so John, John was fifteen, 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.640 Sheila was seventeen, Tina was twelve, and the youngest were 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.159 Ricky and Gregg. They were ten and five. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.560 she was did you say she was thirty six? He 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.479 was yet six. That's that's a passel of kids in 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.720 a short amount of time. She cracked out a bunch 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.920 of them. She had moved into that cabin cay in 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.919 November nineteen eighties, so they had been living there that 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.680 long really, maybe half a year. On the night of 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:57.320 April eleventh, one faithful night, Sheila, Sheila was the fourteen 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:02.280 year old daughter on seventeen. You're right, okay, yeah, John 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:10.640 was fourteen. You're right, alright, alr right. The episode where 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:15.240 I get correct you serves me right. So Sheila goes 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.600 next door to cabin twenty seven for a sleepover with 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:22.159 a friend. And Justin Easton, who lived in Cabin twenty six, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.280 was friends with the two youngest boys, so he was 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.640 over at their place. Were a sleepover and this was 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:31.520 a Saturday night. Yeah, so sleepovers on a weekend makes sense. Yeah, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.160 I remembered you being a weekend. I just couldn't been 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.520 one day. Yeah, it was a Saturday. And here's a 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.240 fun fact to Justin Easton was the steps of one 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:44.320 of the suspects for the murder. So those three boys, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.240 the youngest ones, went to bed in the back bedroom 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.359 at some undetermined time. Then John Sharp, he was a 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.560 fifteen year old, spent most of the day hanging with 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.719 a friend named Dana Wingate in a town called Quincy, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.240 which is seven miles south of Kenny, And they were 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.160 seen on Highway seventy apparently by a couple who was 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.720 driving on the highway. Why they didn't stop and pick 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.120 them up, I don't know they were. They were hitchhiking 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.520 back to Ketty from Quincy, and they were seen between 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.560 nine and ten pm, although I've seen another timeline that 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.000 has some spotted on the highway at eleven pm, so 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.760 there's a little bit of a conflict there. Well. And 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.800 I know that those boys had been at at Dana's 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.880 house and had asked to go if they could could 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:33.479 stay over at at Johnny's Johnny's house, and one of 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.160 the stipulations was, yeah, you're welcome to go as long 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.600 as you can get a ride, you don't hitchhike, and 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.320 oh yeah, we want hitchhike, don't worry, no big deal. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.880 And obviously they totally did it anyway, which is a 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.160 teenage boy thing to do. Yeah, it is definitely. I'm 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.680 not sure what it was like. I mean, I hitched 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:53.720 hike a lot when I was not a lot, actually, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.880 but I hitchhike some when I was a teenager, and 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:58.400 it was a lot easier to get rides back in 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.480 those days. But then then we had a fewers here 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.640 and there, and suddenly people are not really into picking 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.920 up hitchhickers anymore. Yeah, I've never picked up a hitchhike, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.279 nor have I ever hitchhiked. Ever, I haven't hitchhiked. But 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.760 I grew up in a really small town where you 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.720 knew most of the guys, and it was typically guys, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.239 most of the guys you saw walking down the street. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.240 So you'd be driving down, Oh there's Mark. Let me 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.240 pull over and give Mark a ride, and so Mark 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.520 would come running the car. Hey, thanks buddy, and you 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.320 give Mark a ride at least as far as you 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.520 were going. I wouldn't go out of my way, but hey, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.480 I can get you here and then you're on your 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.080 own from there and save them ten miles. They're happy, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.280 Oh yeah, sure, yeah, Well the way back to these 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.160 guys they so Dana, as you said, it was planning 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.000 on spending the night at Cabin twenty eight, and which 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:51.120 bad idea, Dana, really bad idea. It's it's unclear when 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.040 they arrived. Some people of hypothesized that perhaps the crime 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.960 was already underway when they showed up and just they're 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.559 bad luck, really bad timing on their part. Have people 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.320 theorized that they brought the crime with them, Yeah, actually, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.600 and that is that's definitely one of the possibilities I 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.600 would consider. Yeah, yeah, you get picked up by a Mr. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:16.200 Psycho Killer. Yeah, and and comes inside with you and yeah, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.360 can I come? Can I use your bathroom? You too? 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.680 You too have been alluding to what's going on, and 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.040 our listeners don't know what's going on. We gotta tell 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.200 you about what happened here, because so far we've just 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.560 board them with information people that don't matter. That's fair. Yeah, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.400 Dan's Danni is coming home with Johnny Sharp and they're 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.319 gonna He's going to spend the night there. They've got 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.679 to sleep over in the back bedroom, three little three 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.240 young boys back. They're already gone to bed. Um Sue 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.960 Sharp and her daughter Tina, who's twelve, are not yet asleep. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.680 And Tina might have been asleep, I'm not sure, but 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.560 more about that in a second. On the morning of 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.199 April twelve, Sheila Sharp, who remember what next door for 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.440 a sleepover. She came home about eight am and discovered 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:04.480 that she was an orphan. Of course, yeah, yeah, Actually 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.320 it turns out she really wasn't an orphan. I checked, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.440 and actually she had her father still living, and so 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.120 they're surviving. Sharp children want to live with the father, 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.120 so that's good. So she wasn't really an orphan. And 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.720 I just couldn't resist, so Sue her son, Johnny Sharp 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.880 and the friend Dana Wingate had all been bludgeoned and 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:28.080 stabbed to death. Yeah, really horrible, bloody crime. Yeah, and 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:33.199 and Tina Sharp was missing. Tina sharpwell, girl girl was gone. Yeah. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.800 The bodies have been tired up with, tied up with 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.360 with white adhesive tape, probably medical tape, and also electrical 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:44.160 wire extension chords. Basically yeah, and um, and then they 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.040 were like, you know, beaten to death with with a 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.120 hammer and then stabbed death. Amazingly, the three young boys 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.680 in the back bedroom were untouched and it appeared that 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.559 they they slept through the whole thing, although it's hard 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.400 to imagine exactly how they could have done that. Yeah. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.800 I I have run through my head a million scenarios 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.880 on how that would have happened, and as if yet 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.480 I can't figure out a way. Well, you know, here's 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.560 the thing about kids, particularly kids of that age, is 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.760 when they sleep, they sleep, particularly if they've been raised 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.920 and maybe uh kind of more difficult home life environment. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.680 You know, if you're trained from a child as a 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.360 baby to sleep through stuff, which is what you do 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.800 with babies, because you have to because you have to 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.439 get stuff done while they're sleeping. They can pretty much 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.760 sleep usually, you know, five to ten year olds can 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.000 sleep through you know, at least vacuuming and stuff like that. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.600 And you know, unless there it's possible that these murders 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.079 were carried out without a whole lot of screaming. Given 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.120 some of the injuries, it's possible that there wasn't actual screaming. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.040 And then you know, all the rest of the noises 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.080 could have been relatively quiet. Well, and if if there's 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.800 a TV on and you're used to hear in the TV, 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.000 then in your little kid brain that all melts together. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.199 I mean, I I know that I slept through earthquakes 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.079 as a kid. I once rolled out of the top 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.000 bunk of a bunk bed as a kid in my 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.160 sleep and didn't wake up, so I know the kids can. Yeah, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.040 well that that tells you a lot about me now, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.000 because I'm pretty sure I laid it on my head. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.400 But no, I mean that that does explain it. But 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.400 the other thing is that, you know, the only thing 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.960 that that I could figure out how these boys could 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.840 have slept through it, if indeed they did, is that 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.360 Sue she had I think was her underwear and a 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.880 rag crammed in her mouth as a gag. Yeah, it 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.839 was like a blue bandana, yeah, which and it was 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.560 like the blue bandanna was which was jammed into her 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.400 mouth fairly deep, yea. And that secured with adhesive tape 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.400 and then and then like women's underwear wrapped around that. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.040 So which I don't even want to get into the 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.960 Freudian reason that's there, but that the the two boys 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.240 were not we're not gags as far as I know. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.079 Was she the only one who was stabbed through the neck? Now, 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.280 actually it was her son, John got stabbed through the neck, 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.440 and so that the cause of death in the case 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.600 of John was was severing of the crodd artery. Well 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:16.079 that would that could sever some boal. Yeah. Well, but 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.600 but the thing is they were tied up. Well, let's 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.120 let's let me ask you this. Are we going to 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:27.280 get into the rest of the details about crime later 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.600 or should we just do it now? I was going 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.199 to I was going to talk about the autopsy in 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.000 a minute. Let's let's okay, because because there's some things 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 about like what you were saying, I know some details, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:39.760 but I don't want to I don't want to jump 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.520 the shark here. Yeah, well that the wrong term. Yeah, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:49.880 that's the wrong term totally, and our show will never jump. Yeah, 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.560 there is. There is some dispute about whether Justin, perhaps 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.560 Justin Easton, actually actually did wake up and open the 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.920 door and look out and witness are all the and 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.480 he's given such wildly varying accounts. How old is he though, 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.360 I'm not sure. I think it was ten or twelve 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.199 or something like that. He was friends with the younger 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.040 anywhere from I guess five to twelve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.040 I can see how your story could change a couple 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.920 of times. Yeah, yeah, Well, the hard thing about his 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.439 story and the way that it changed is what happened. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.280 I know that I was the only one who went 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.560 ahead and sacrificed three hours of my life to watch 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:40.080 the documentaries that were made on this summer. Really into 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.160 all our listeners. I did it for you. You You don't 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.679 have to listen to the weird mono and then stereo 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.800 audio thing that goes on in this documentary. But they 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.760 record him and they talk about it, and one is 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.520 when you listen to this guy tell the account of 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.880 what happens, and I understand it's twenty some years later 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.760 because the documentary was done in the early two thousand's. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.960 He's been telling this story for years. But he you 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:11.200 could see he is just glaze eyed, repeating things like 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.920 there's no emotion. He's not thinking about it. He's regurgitating words. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.320 We were watching it on the couch and my fiance 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.360 was sitting there watching it. I was listening to the 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.560 audio and headphones, and she's going, there's something weird about 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.160 that dude. And I imagine it's because of what he 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.200 went through and then all of the attention that was 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.960 paid on him. But the hard part is I I 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.120 have a hard part with his story, and I blame 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.000 it on the cops. Do you guys know that the 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:46.080 cops put him under hypnosis. Yeah, the the lead investigator 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.760 had him hypnotized, so he told the story once it 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.120 shifted a little bit. They hypnotized him, it shift a 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.200 little bit, and then it just kind of it did 0:14:55.280 --> 0:15:00.480 this weird progression through times. So I really I would 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.520 like to say that he didn't see anything. I kind 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.760 of suspect that he didn't and he set himself like 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.760 you know, on one account, he like got up and 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.240 opened the door and saw this in another account, it's 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.240 like he had a dream. It just dreamed the whole thing. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.360 So he And the thing about hypnosis too is you 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.640 can't force somebody to be hypnotized. The subject has to 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.880 want to be hypnotized. Well, yeah, maybe they didn't even 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.800 have him actually under well and here, well that's exactly 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.280 because during that one during hypnosis, I think one of 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.280 the things he said is that he was watching from 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.160 a crack in the bedroom door. As he watched the 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.280 he said it was two men. Watched them go out 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.239 into the kitchen and out the kitchen door. But evidently 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.480 when you're standing in that bedroom you can't see the kitchen. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.920 I think, yeah, I think that this is what it 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.240 sounds like to me, is like a little kid trying 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.520 to be helpful. Yeah, you know, nail on the head. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.000 You know, it's a little kid who was like traumatized 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.920 quite frankly by what they saw and trying to be helpful. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.720 And if a cop, you know, is in your face 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:09.400 saying okay, okay, justin what'd you see? And you go nothing, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.600 And they go are you sure you didn't see anything? 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.360 And you go, well, no, I guess I cracked the door. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.560 I woke up. They're like, yeah, because there's no way 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.960 you could have slept through that, Justin, You're right, you could. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.880 You must have woken up. And then you know, and 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.920 cops often think they're being helpful or whatever with that, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.560 they're actually pulling the story out of the lead. Oh god, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.480 I gotta think of something now, because this happened so 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:36.920 I don't know. I didn't see the video obviously, so 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.760 I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, it's is I put 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.520 him under highly questionable as a witness to this whole thing. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.320 That's that's kind of the point that I want to 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.400 go to. So do I Yeah, I definitely do. I'm 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.440 glad we're on the same page. Yeah, definitely. As I 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.240 mentioned Tina was missing, Justin was actually the first person 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.800 that I know of who pointed out that Tina was missing. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.480 In my opinion, the only beneficial thing he did, yeah, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.160 I And and funny thing too is he mentioned that 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.640 the cops weren't really paying attention to Eventually they concluded 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.280 that Tina was indeed missing. It was one of the 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.840 parents got involved and listened to him and finally figured out, oh, yeah, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.040 there's a kid missing. Yeah. It's funny that the cops 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.280 after questioning Justin sent him home and he went home 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.800 about thirty maybe that morning, down to cabin twenty six, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.440 and his mom said something to him like, you know, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.720 how how was it or how is it or how 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.240 are they? And he said they're all dead and she's like, yeah, nad, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.359 don't joke around like that, and he's going, no, mom, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.800 they're all dead. The sharps are all dead. And she 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:40.040 finally figured out that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so maybe 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.040 that's one reason he's a little a little messed up. Yeah. No, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.440 I don't blame him for his shifting story. I blame 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.960 the situation probably. Yeah, that's tough one. So they started 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.560 looking for Tina. Yeah, that major girl hunt was undertaken 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.480 for Tina Sharp and she was not found. In April 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.160 nine four, guy named Ronald Pedrini was looking for antique 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.600 bottles and such things in the woods around Campai teen, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.960 which is a place about twenty nine miles away from Kenny, 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.040 and found part of a human skull. So he called 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.160 the cops and then they took it in a possession 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.879 and they did a search of the immediate area and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.480 found nothing. Oh that's not what I heard. Yeah, well, no, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.320 that was in That was in April the About six 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.960 weeks later they got an honest phone call, but I 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.920 think I was on a thirty as somebody told them 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:32.800 to look more around Caine Campaig teen and they found more. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.359 They found bones. They found it most importantly, they found 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.800 a lower job bone. Yeah, and quote other evidence pieces, right, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.080 other evidence pieces. You have part of some blue jeans, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.719 h you know, and stuff. I'm I'm not sure if 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.120 they documented that stuff actually belonged to Tina or not. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.119 I don't know if you could at that point. Yeah, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.560 I know, but but the lower job bone was key 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:56.360 because they could identify her through dental records. Yeah. So 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.960 so it's hard to say what happened to Tina. Obviously 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.560 they took her for a reason. I don't think they 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.760 just killed her and hold her body away. But we'll 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.960 talk about that in a little bit. Do we have 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.800 to two weeks in a row? Really? Come on, you guys, 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:12.200 you're killing me here. Well more cheerful note, you guys 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:20.080 want to talk about autopsy autos? Okay, su Sharp. First, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.080 her autopsy reported considerable dried and smear blood on the 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.320 soles of her feet, which is interesting, which indicates that 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.199 she actually was on her feet, because she didn't have 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.040 wounds on her feet, but she was on her feet, 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.359 apparently walking through blood. At some point they found her 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.240 on the couch, laying down on the couch with a 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.800 blanket over here. Yeah yeah, but at some point she 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.480 had walked through the blood. Nobody really knows why. At 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.160 this point her wrists and ankles were bound by white 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.000 Did he take sorry? Did they find footprints in the blood, 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.320 like on the floor, I have not found any mention 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.639 of that. They probably they probably were bloody footprints. I 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.120 think think hard because Sheila came home and likely checked 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.200 the bat. Right, she's the one who discovered this scene. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.120 She didn't go in the house. She opened the door 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.480 and looked in and saw everything and screamed and ran. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.919 that's yeah. Yeah, But but no, I I've looked at 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.200 those pretty extensively. Unfortunately, I've looked at the crime scene 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:23.639 photos and there are blood smears all over, But I 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.120 didn't see footprints. So it's almost like there was blood 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.919 and you were standing in the pool of it and 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:35.520 then moved somewhere else. So you're not walking. If you 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.760 catch what I'm going for here, you were standing in 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.320 it and then you're not walking anymore. Yeah, but I 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.760 don't know. I didn't see footprints anywhere. No, I didn't 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.200 see any either, and they're not mentioned anywhere in any 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.359 of the police reports anyway. Back to her autopsy, so 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.440 she had been she was taken into the morgue. By 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.000 the way, are all still bound up and everything. So 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.160 there's a pretty in depth description in the optopsy report 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:58.520 of the way she was all at her wounds and 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.639 how she was bound up. They used electrical extension cords 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.240 to tie her up in addition to the tape. There 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.159 was one around her wrists and then and then the 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.399 second one was heavier. It was tied to her wrist 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.400 and then it went down to her ankles and tied 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.280 her ankles together. So she was she was kind of 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.119 hog tied, and she was all yeah, but were not 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.000 hog tied with her hands behind her hands were in 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.520 front of her. Hog Tight's wrong way, but it was 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:28.720 ankles and connected. She was well, yeah, And and of 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.600 course we've already talked about the gag which was quote 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.959 embedded deeply in the mouth unquote quoting to the autop scene. 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.399 There was evidence around her head and face of a 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.879 lot of blunt force trauma, which is of course the hammer. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.960 This was done with a hammer, which is found its 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.320 crime scene. There are lots of lacerations also stab wounds 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.160 in the chest and abdomen and one in the neck. 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.560 So the cause of death was listed for her blunt 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.919 force trauma and stabbing. So in other words, it's not 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.400 quite clear she died of brain injuries first or being 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.280 stabbed in the chest. And you know, so so both 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.679 you know, they just flipped the coin. Dana Wingate, on 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.480 the other hand, he'd been beaten about the head, but 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.280 he was not stabbed at all. He was strangled to death. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.119 His legs were also bound with his electrical cord, but 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.760 his wrists were bound with tape only, which indicates that 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.359 I guess they run out of extension cords. I think. So. Yeah, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.240