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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with your buck. What's going on man down in Jacksonville? Terverybody?

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Speaker 1: be better at it than everybody we play against. It's

430
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Speaker 1: a free it's a free point. It is a free point.

431
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Speaker 1: And I'll say this because I will use analytics to

432
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Speaker 1: my advantage as a high school coach. Like we are

433
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Speaker 1: a team you hate me because we never passed, but

434
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Speaker 1: because we've never passed, we call it runs. But we

435
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: go for it all the time on fourth down if

436
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: it's fourth and fourth less like, we're going for it.

437
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: But dj from a play calling mentality, what happens is

438
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 1: you get into those downs where it's mixed down third

439
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: and six, traditional thinking, ah, they're going to pass. But

440
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: if you run and get to three, then you do

441
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Speaker 1: it again. You're good. And because two point plays a

442
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 1: two and a half yard We go for two every time, like, hey,

443
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: no need for you to kick, like we're gonna go

444
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Speaker 1: all the time. It puts a lot of pressure on

445
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: you as a defensive coordinator. Man, this is unusual. We

446
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: don't play anybody who does that. And so I believe

447
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: the teams that devote a ton of time to your

448
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: two point plays, teams that are super aggressive on fourth down,

449
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 1: particularly fourth and three or left, you have an advantage

450
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: because you practice it, you're comfortable, and if your coach

451
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 1: is willing to ignore the outside noise because it's a

452
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Speaker 1: little different, I think you can have huge advantages in

453
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Speaker 1: the game. I think about third downs. How many times

454
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Speaker 1: you heard your defensive coordinators, hey, hey hey, play the sticks,

455
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Speaker 1: play the sticks? Well, what if they're not aiming for

456
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Speaker 1: the sticks. If they're aiming for two yards short of

457
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Speaker 1: the sticks so they can go for it on fourth down?

458
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Speaker 1: Then what you don't things like that? No, if it

459
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: puts you in a body, it makes you think differently,

460
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Speaker 1: It makes you call different things on offense and defense

461
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Speaker 1: depending on how you adhere to the analytics. I think

462
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Speaker 1: it could be a huge advantage. And I look, there's

463
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: been a lot made of it, and the outside noise

464
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: is always going to get at you, right, I think

465
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: sometimes I think in the playoff game where we saw

466
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Speaker 1: the intern afteris Coat in the Buffalo Bield and the

467
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 1: coach early went for two a few different times. I

468
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: didn't hate them going for it. I hadded a play call,

469
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: so being able to separate going for two versus what

470
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Speaker 1: you call. I just think we get into this thing

471
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Speaker 1: with two point players where we always feel like we

472
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Speaker 1: have to throw it and I'm like, man, it's two

473
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Speaker 1: and a half yards. Like sometimes they're running plays. There

474
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Speaker 1: are other things that we can utilize outside of a

475
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: we gotta throw it. We always gotta put it in

476
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Speaker 1: the air to convert the two point conversion. No, I'm

477
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Speaker 1: not mad you tooking me to the movies. I just

478
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Speaker 1: didn't like the movie you picked. Yeah, yeah, I'm not

479
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not mad. I'm not mad at that part of it. Um,

480
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think there certainly could be Like I

481
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 1: don't know what the football version of the shift is. Yeah,

482
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: but whoever is able to come up with the football

483
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: version of the shift, it's gonna make a lot of

484
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Speaker 1: money as a DC interviets or head coach because it's

485
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Speaker 1: stimies people. And really I would like the thing that

486
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: we have enough information on quarterbacks that we should be

487
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: able to build defenses and coverage that really takes away

488
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Speaker 1: what they do. For instance, you and I d J.

489
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: We talked about Lamar Jackson, and Lamar Jackson doesn't throw

490
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Speaker 1: the ball well outside the numbers. This isn't hating. This

491
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: is actually and factual. He hasn't thrown it well outside

492
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Speaker 1: the numbers. In college, he didn't throw he doesn't throw

493
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: it outside the numbers well in the pros. Well, why

494
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: do not play our defense where we jam the middle

495
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: of the field and make him throw it out, make

496
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Speaker 1: him throw it outside. Maybe we're more single high coverage,

497
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: we put more bodies in the middle of the field

498
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: and say, man like, if you can throw it outside

499
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: all day, we'll give that to you. But little things

500
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: like that where you're able to take the information and

501
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: the scouting report with the decord then and say here's

502
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 1: where he throws the ball. Let's defend where he throws

503
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: it and make him throw it elsewhere, because the numbers

504
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Speaker 1: show over a four or six eight game period, this

505
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: is where the ball is going. Yeah, I do think

506
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to just every offseason. You gotta believe

507
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: these coaches are trying to find that little advantage that

508
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: they can try something different. And that's why innovation always

509
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: kind of works its way up. It starts high school,

510
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: college and gets up to the NFL because they can

511
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: afford your your Johnny high school coach, you can afford

512
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: to throw this out there in Week three against Sarah

513
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: High School and know that you're gonna be okay, you

514
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you got a little bit

515
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: more runway leeway there to try to implement some of

516
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: these things. And I think that's what's exciting about it.

517
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you're gonna see it each and every year.

518
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: Uh you know, we're you'll be playing something. But mad

519
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: never seen that before, Oh dudude, Like we're that team

520
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: kick off that kicks every kid, like just just all

521
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: kinds of weird and random stuff. Now it's hard for

522
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Speaker 1: me sometimes because I'm like, man, I can't believe that

523
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I would be the guy that's to trick them the

524
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: trick coach, right, you the tricker coach. I got my

525
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: dad watching from before, like what are you doing? Like

526
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: kicking off that kicks? But I mean, I depended on

527
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: the the conversion rates. There's a lot of I mean,

528
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: it's a math problem, like there's there's a lot of

529
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Speaker 1: value to it, and so I don't know. I think

530
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: we'll see more guys to do it. One thing we

531
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: didn't talk about, and I think we should talk about

532
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: since it's football related. What do you think about the

533
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: college football Playoff expand into twelve teams? What do you do?

534
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: What do you think about it? If they do it?

535
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: I actually, um, I actually like it. I know some

536
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: people don't. They say it minimizes the importance of the

537
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: regular season. Here's why I like it. Here's why I

538
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Speaker 1: like it. I don't. I mean as much as I

539
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: like going to Chick fil A and eating Chick fil

540
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: A a lot, Like I don't want it for every

541
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Speaker 1: single meal. I feel like I've had Alabama Clemson for

542
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: every single meal for a decade. Like I'm gonna give

543
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Speaker 1: me somebody else. Oklahoma. Yeah, that's the same anybody. So

544
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: what happens? So what happens in recruiting? You're like, well,

545
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Speaker 1: if I'm a five star kid, big time player, I

546
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: got four options because those are the four teams in

547
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Speaker 1: the play almost every single year and so it takes

548
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: away from some of these other programs. They can't they're

549
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: so far behind. Like there is the haves and the

550
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: have nots, and it's just so few teams in the halves.

551
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: Now I think, hey, you're a kid. Um you know, Look,

552
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: we're out here in southern California. So whoever is that team?

553
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: If it's you know, Oregon, s c U, C, l A,

554
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: whoever it is. But all these West Coast kids that

555
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: have all gone to Clemson and Alabama over the last

556
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: few years because they want to play on big stages

557
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: in the biggest games, and none of the West Coast

558
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: teams could offer them that. Well, now you can say,

559
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: well I can get developed, I'm gonna be drafted, and

560
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: I can also play on a bigger stage because there's

561
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: more people coming to the party. Maybe some of those

562
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: kids diversify and don't all funnel to the same three

563
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: or four schools. Okay, So here's what I think has

564
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: to happen if I am a head coach now at

565
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Speaker 1: a school that's not one of the big four that

566
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: we've named. Right, So, now what I want my administration

567
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: and everyone to celebrate. I want you to celebrate the

568
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: college football playoffs like they celebrate the NT double, a

569
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Final four, like it is beyond being the national champion,

570
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: is getting to the playoffs. Because the playoff has to

571
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: be a big deal. We need to make that a

572
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: big deal so that it is celebrated and people know

573
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Speaker 1: that we are one of the elite. We're one of

574
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Speaker 1: the twelve best teams in the country, and we have

575
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: to make it a big deal. Big rings, big everything,

576
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: big banners or whatever. And some will say that's silly

577
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: if you're Alabama, whatever you like. I can't believe we're

578
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: coming into the stadium and they got this big old banner.

579
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: But you know, everything matters when it comes to recruiting. Also, DJ,

580
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: I think this is great from a scouting perspective, Right,

581
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: We've always talked about it, and I know you can

582
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: chime in. I'm a chime in on this because, look,

583
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: I want to see what Carolina looks like against those

584
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: heavy hitters, right, And I don't care if they sneak

585
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: in as an eleventh seed or whatever, but let's see

586
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: what they look like as the twelve seed playing the

587
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: fifth seed. Maybe they can knock off one of those teams.

588
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: When we talk about the group of five teams. Right,

589
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: everyone is like a yeah, but can you put them

590
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: in or whatever? Well, now I think it's the easier

591
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: gateway to put them in because if you put them

592
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: in and they knock off one where they've earned the

593
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: right now to play Alabama, So we can't say, man,

594
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be whatever. He if they come in,

595
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: whatever they come in, they win a game to get

596
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: to one of the teams that have to buy. How

597
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: can you knock that? So, for me, I've always wanted

598
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: what the lower levels have had, which is a full playoff,

599
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: earned the right to be the champion. I know it

600
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: may add more games, but to me, there's more intrigue

601
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: when you have more teams because you're gonna see different

602
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: matchups than we would have seen before. So Appalachian State

603
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: now has an opportunity to go. You see, f has

604
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go. Teams that we never really talked about. Cincinnati,

605
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to go. That's what that's what

606
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: everyone wants. Well, let's see it now on the field,

607
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: as opposed to debating and speculating, Uh, well, you know

608
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: we should put them in. Put them in, man, there's

609
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: no excuses. Put them in and let them play. I'm

610
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Speaker 1: curious to see how it impacts scheduling because my first

611
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: thought is I think it's gonna be awesome because now

612
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: if you're if you're let's stay with Alabama. If you're Alabama,

613
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: instead of playing which has kind of been there m

614
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Speaker 1: O a lot is they're gonna play a couple of

615
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: cupcakes and then they're gonna play a mediocre team from

616
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: a power five you know conference, so they're just okay,

617
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: like they'll play you know, Louisville, Miami whoever, like just

618
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: okay team and a power five conference because you can't

619
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: drop a game or else it could impact you get

620
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: into playoff. Well, now you you're automatically in if you

621
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: win your conference. So I'm gonna build my schedule to

622
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: get me ready for conference play. No one, if I

623
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: if I lose to Ohio State in a in a

624
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: game in September, it ain't gonna matter because I'm gonna

625
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: go win my conference and get in anyway. So I

626
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: think it could give us some better matchups that way. Um,

627
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: but I think on the scouting side of things, which

628
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: is great, you want more good on good, but maybe

629
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Speaker 1: it takes away some of those opportunities where you know,

630
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky has a big time player and maybe he

631
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: doesn't get that opportunity to step up against some of

632
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: these other teams because they're all playing each other in

633
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: non conference. Yeah, I I agree with you that. Like DJ,

634
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you now if I'm now

635
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: that's a twelve team playoff, I want to give my

636
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: team more bites at the apple to be able to

637
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: get in. So I want to not only say, hey,

638
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: we need to win the conference championship, but let's play

639
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: some heavy hitters where even if we lose, maybe if

640
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: they're debating on who should be the twelve team, maybe

641
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: because we legitimately played a heavy hitter, maybe we get

642
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: a bump because of strength of schedule, And let's see

643
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: what it is. And if you're talking about now being

644
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: one of those teams that wants to be in the

645
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: final four with the teams that we always talk about,

646
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: the only way you get better you gotta play the heavyweights.

647
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: So let's play the heavyweights early to see where we

648
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: are to get ready for the conference run and the playoffs,

649
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: because you know, look, I know we're gonna see clips

650
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: in Ohio State. Uh, those teams down the road anyway,

651
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: might as well get used to playing them so we

652
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: know what it looks like and what it feels like

653
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: when we do get in Germany. I think it will

654
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: have it if you get impact on the way you schedule. Yeah,

655
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: and think about it like if you're if you're U C.

656
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: L A. And you're sitting there going, Okay, I gotta

657
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, I've gotta sell tickets. But forever you've got

658
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, a coach and I'm not saying with Chip caliber,

659
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: just any any coach would would who would be like, Hey,

660
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: you can't do this to me, man, I've got to

661
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: get to this number of wins so that we can

662
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: get into a good bowl game. And I don't want to,

663
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: but whatever. And now it's like, look, you gotta go

664
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: win your conference. So I'm gonna schedule Oklahoma in Nebraska

665
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: to come out here to the Rose Ball. I'm gonna

666
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: fill up the stadium and we're gonna make a lot

667
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: of money and play good nonconference games because not just

668
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: go win your conference. Then that's what you gotta do

669
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: to get in the playoff. Yeah. I think it plays

670
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: I think it puts a bigger premium on win in

671
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: the conference, because I think now everything is about the

672
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: conference championship. In the conference championship game, how can we

673
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: build our team to win the conference? And I know

674
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna say, like, yeah, but we see the same

675
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: teams in the conference championship game. But now, like, let's

676
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: think about a team like Iowa State, how can they

677
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: get better? Can they pick up the phone and call

678
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: some teams in the Big Ten to play? Can they

679
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: get outside of their conference and go to the a

680
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: SEC and maybe play a big game on a bigger

681
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: stage and try and get some respect and a claim

682
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: to put them in a position to be in the playoffs.

683
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: I think it's different, man. I think it's no different

684
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: than the way college basketball has been forever when you

685
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: would see Michigan State, Carolina, Kentucky. We can it doesn't

686
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: matter if we don't get were trying to get to

687
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: the tournament. We're trying to build our team to win

688
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: the tournament. Because that's really what basketball has become. It's

689
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: become March madness, hey everything, And I've told you like

690
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: I've become that lazy family. Hey that chap me in February.

691
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: March momory. When we get to the action. Those things

692
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: that happen in December are just to hey, let's get

693
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: us right, let's see where we are their MESSI games.

694
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: I think I think this has a huge impact on

695
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: that and DJ. What it also does, it keeps some

696
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: of the players that were beginning to opt out. It

697
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: keeps more of those guys engaged. So from our perspective,

698
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: we know that we always give a little more way

699
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: to how guys playing those big games, this championship games,

700
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and they have the playoffs, Well, man, maybe we see

701
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: more of these players playing in these playoff games because

702
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: they're chasing national championship dreams. It gives us an opportunity

703
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: to maybe get better evaluations that kind of mirror what

704
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: they will see in the pros. Last point, they'll move

705
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: on to the Jacks here. Um, if my son is

706
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: a high profile five star running back and I'm gonna

707
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: go to one of these teams where I know he's

708
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna be in a twelve team playoff, and we're gonna

709
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: be giving away even more of our carries for free, Hey,

710
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: you better have a stable ebacks. I want my kid

711
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: getting twenty carries a game for eighteen games. No thanks,

712
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: But I think they have to come the regular season. Now,

713
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: in my mind, I would think so right, in my mind,

714
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: I think they need to do it. Kind of happened

715
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: this year by the fall. Hey man, let's have conference games, Like,

716
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: let's make it a big deal where you play the

717
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: majority of your teams in the conference. You need to

718
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: play a big marquee game out of the conference, and

719
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: let's let's get to it. I don't know what happens

720
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: with the rest of the bowl games and all of that,

721
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: but now it becomes the final twelve. The teams that

722
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: are in the twelve gets celebrated. If you're not in

723
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: one of those twels, I don't really care if you

724
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: do play in the bowl game. Like I don't want

725
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: to say, what's the point, But what's the point that

726
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: it's basically shrunk to twelve teams. That's the postseason. The

727
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: postseason is twelve teams. The rest of that who cares,

728
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: No one cares. I'm not watching that, Like I'm not

729
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: watching it. Like it's the spring ball all over again,

730
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: Like let's shirts, get your red shirts out there, get

731
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: him a spring game, and off we go. Yeah, I mean,

732
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: that's that's it. Like it's a it's about the final twelve.

733
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: And so that's how it approach it. All right, tell

734
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: me about what what's going on there in Jacksonville. Now

735
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: so many camp Uh, it looks really exciting for me

736
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: to come down and and do it. And I think

737
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: the first thing off the bed. We've heard so much.

738
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: We've had multiple conversations with Urban Meyer um talking about

739
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: culture and team and building and those things. For me,

740
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: it was great to get a chance to see it

741
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: play out in real time. I would say this DJ.

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: The practice itself is very collegiate in nature. There are

743
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: things that are taking place in the practice that quote

744
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: unquote NFL teams. Okay, so by rule when when you

745
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: were player and you walk out here, uh, you know,

746
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: when you go to the facility, you get into the field,

747
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: there's a sideline where you hit the first practice field.

748
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Once you hit the line, everyone is running. So that

749
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: is that that is how we get to go. They

750
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: started out and maybe this is the sports side. There's

751
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: what we call it because I think know if there's

752
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: an activation period. So the activation period is like, hey,

753
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: we're stepping over the hurdles, under the hurdles, we're doing

754
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: the ladder, we're doing the medballs, we're doing all this

755
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: stuff for like ten minutes like an active movement session

756
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: before we get to it. Then there's kind of like

757
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: the the the walk through period for about ten minutes

758
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: where we're walking through defense, offense or whatever. Then they

759
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: come together and stretch. Like that's different. That's really more

760
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: like a collegiate thing. But down here on the microphone

761
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: I called I just without for lack of a better term,

762
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: there's a narrator, right, so if you can imagine, if

763
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: you can imagine a voice from heaven coming period three

764
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: reps reps, and so what is doing is telling the players, hey,

765
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: this is all about reps. We can end though as

766
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: many reps as we can get. Let's do it a

767
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: period four focus walk through, walking through doing this. We're

768
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: doing that period seven pressure pressure period. So we got blitz.

769
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: We had all this stuff. So it's different. I haven't

770
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: been anywhere where um that has happened, but to me,

771
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: it's like the constant reminded that you would do with

772
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: young people. Hey, this is what this period is. We've

773
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: heard so many coaches talk about explaining the why. I

774
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: felt like that is an extension of we got to

775
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: explain to why this is why we're doing it. This

776
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: is what it's about. This is the theme of the period.

777
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: Let's get it out of it. So that part, to me,

778
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: he has a very commanding presence. It's very energetic, it's fast,

779
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: it's up tempo. He does bring them together a lot,

780
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: which might be a little different than the way you

781
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: see a normal NFL pride is normally the coach, the

782
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: head coach will address the team at the end, urban

783
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: addresses them throughout multiple parts of the practice um in

784
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: terms of stylistically, in terms of how they're playing, like

785
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: when this NFL ball like a little spread, a flett

786
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: of this is att of that, But the overall theme

787
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: has a little more of a collegiate young team field

788
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: than the old team. I don't know if you could

789
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: do those same things with the old team for su

790
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: same period, because the best would be like, man, what

791
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: are we doing? Who's on the mind? Like what what?

792
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: What is this? But what is different? A lot of

793
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: energy break hydrate, hydrate, but like for real, like yes,

794
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: real hydrate. We have a minute, one minute left, ten

795
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: seconds onto the next period like your transition stations, uh,

796
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, thirty seconds period transition. This is this is

797
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: why This is where my mind goes, because all I

798
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: can think of is, let's mix some creativity into this thing.

799
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: Let's get a little Janet Jackson going on here five

800
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: and I love I love the way your fingers were

801
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: moving with that. I love the different you've been, You've

802
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: been conditioned to do is everything. So all of that

803
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: is going. You got music playing, which is common, like

804
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: everyone does that after the Chip Kelly thing, but it's different,

805
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: so you have a mix of what I would call

806
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: the sports science with that. The other thing was there's

807
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: what they call like a heavy pump station at the

808
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: end the practice, so up under the thing, I'm giving

809
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: away all their their their trades because I hope I

810
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: don't get in trouble. But like after practice there's like

811
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: a little weight room, so they're going to get a

812
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: big pump, a big lift, big whatever after and then

813
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: they're also I'm sure it's something to do with like

814
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: the sports science and how they're going in. I know

815
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: it's driving them crazy. The one thing that was different

816
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: is when you would go see Ohio state practice or

817
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: Florida State Florida practice in the past, it was always

818
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: a competitive ones versus one. He's had to dial that back,

819
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: and I know that's that's probably different for him because

820
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: it's not it's not spring ball spring ball, we're competing,

821
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you're having a competitive period. You can't necessarily do that

822
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: because of Once training camp gets here, I bet you

823
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: we see a lot of that though. I've actually be

824
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of good on good. That's been his philosophy forever.

825
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: You know. Now, I will say very unique. I don't

826
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: know if you know Joe cling at all, um, but

827
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Joe Cling is down, is decordinated. He has some other

828
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: guys with him, Bob Sudden, it's kind of here hanging around.

829
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: This defense is going. It's going to be, for lack

830
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: of a better terms, it's gonna have some rex line elements,

831
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah do it. A lot of simulated pressure zone dog

832
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: guys coming from everywhere. Um, not quite the positionless ball,

833
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: but they're out of what i'll call hype. There's a

834
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of stand up players that can move around and

835
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: do a bunch of different things. I think you'll see

836
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot of deception, a lot of smoking mirrors, pressure packages. Um.

837
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: I can't talk about the Jaguars without talking about Tim Tebow.

838
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: So I give you a quick Tim Tebow. Uh, you

839
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. He's moving around okay and doing

840
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: some of those things or whatever, like the best part

841
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: of his game right now, and just being able to

842
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of catch it blocking. The big challenge for him

843
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: will be the physicality and the aggressiveness. Does he have

844
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: enough dog and them to be able to go and

845
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: hit the defensive end on those cross zone blocks and

846
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: wham blocks and those things, because they were doing it

847
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: right now with the bags and it still looks there's

848
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: a little tentative like it's gonna be interesting if he's

849
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to rev it up and like really

850
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: smash and crash when you need to it. It's an

851
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: unnatural thing for a quarterback to make that transition bass.

852
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the That's gonna be the thing. Can

853
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Speaker 1: I summarize what everything we've got from Bucky on this? Uh,

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00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: here's what I got Buck. Let me just summarize it

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00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: for you. Uh, practice over time for pump, tim tebow

856
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: sprinting to those ways, hammer curls, hammer curls, hammer curls,

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00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: sleeves up, sleeves up for hammer curls. That's that's That's

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Speaker 1: what I've got from you. He is yoked up, I

859
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: will say he is. He has undergoing a body transformation. Um.

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00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: He is definitely like putting it together and making it happen.

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00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: He is yoked up tight in for sure. Tim practice

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00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: is over, you need to go inside. They're gonna hate

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00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: me for then. Everybody know they have a narrator. Well,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I was like, I

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00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: had to ask, where is the voice coming from? Who

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Speaker 1: of boy, it's the chief of Urban's chief of staff

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Speaker 1: is the one that is. And now I think those

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Speaker 1: things or whatever. So it's it's the heads up to whatever.

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00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: M interesting. Oh you're like this because we were talking

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Speaker 1: about the Jackson building and as it relates to the

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00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: baseball thing. To bring it full circle, Um, when you

872
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: look at the Jaguars draft this year, all Power five

873
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: draft fees, those small schools, UH four or five star

874
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: recruits brand names. So we talked about prototypes very much

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00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: in the prototype family. Uh noticed today for a tryout,

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00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: laquant Trail Will was in as a trip and star kid,

877
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: big school this and that. So it's just one of

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00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: the things that that stood out. And when you hear

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00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Coach Meyer talk, it's always bigger, faster, stronger. They want

880
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: to be a bigger, fasterest team. To me, is like

881
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: recruiting um, big team, heavyweight team, teams that can kind

882
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: of win a slug fest. Uh, that's that's what they're

883
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: trying to build. Well, that's a good insight man. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's been great to catch up Buck. I'm glad you've

885
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: got a chance to get down there and get your

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00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: eyes on the jacks. It was a fun one today. Yeah,

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00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: it's always fun man. Anytime we can bring over the

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00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: cross over the baseball thing, that is always always a

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00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of fun. All right, Well, that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us, and I hope you guys have enjoyed hanging

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00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: out with us. Uh, we appreciate you hanging with us,

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00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time. Right here on, move

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Speaker 1: the sticks.