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Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in

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Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug.

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Speaker 2: Gottl Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: iHeart Radio app welcome in. How are you? I was,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking of one of our discussions yesterday, guys,

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Speaker 2: and I was, I was talking about Joy Taylor and

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Speaker 2: obviously these remarks, which it's it's fair to say they're ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: right that, like Angel Reese is is a big reason

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Speaker 2: for Caitlin Clark's emergence, Like yeah, no, this is not

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Speaker 2: this is not bird Magic, It's not it's not not

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Speaker 2: what she is. Nonetheless, I do think we can use

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Speaker 2: this pod for good, not for evil. And I was

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Speaker 2: I I get people all the time who want to

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Speaker 2: help out. They want to enter and they want to

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Speaker 2: work for us. They want to work for Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: they want to get into TV, they want to get

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Speaker 2: into radio. And I've loved all the places that I've worked.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, like even Stadium Sports. I was

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Speaker 2: e entrepreneurial spirit, like doing shows from bizarre locations, or

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Speaker 2: whatever like that stuff was fun. It's really fun. But

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Speaker 2: there is one thing that remains a constant, and it's

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Speaker 2: there's one room and it's no different than probably your

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Speaker 2: place of work. I definitely think with sports teams, right,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's like there's one position room that always

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Speaker 2: has the drama on the football team, right, the wide

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Speaker 2: receiver room. You ever notice that, like the lineman never

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Speaker 2: have drama, they just don't. Sometimes a little bit of

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Speaker 2: And now you know Caleb Williams stuff will get to

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Speaker 2: that later on the pod. But there's there's no more

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Speaker 2: dramatic room in the NFL than the wide receiver room.

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Speaker 2: There's always something going on there. Just that that that

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Speaker 2: position breeds eccentricity. And I was thinking that, Jay ste

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Speaker 2: you've done that. You've been in this business as long

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Speaker 2: as I have, if not longer. And uh, there is

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Speaker 2: one commonality at every place that I've worked, which is

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Speaker 2: stay out of the makeup room. And what happens with

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, especially women. I actually have a

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Speaker 2: great amount of sympathy and empathy for women in sports

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Speaker 2: because they walk into an environment where most guys don't

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Speaker 2: respect their opinion regardless of you know, it's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know, you could say, hey, well she never played anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well there's lots of these guys that never played anything either.

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Speaker 2: They just did not ever, you know, they didn't play.

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Speaker 2: So what separates you. Oh, you're a guy, so you're

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Speaker 2: is that the last place they were before they go

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Speaker 2: or before they go into meeting is the makeup room.

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Speaker 2: And the makeup room is the height of toxicity. It

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Speaker 2: is the cheer noble of media. It is. It's the

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Speaker 2: cheer noble of media. You come out of there and

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Speaker 2: you are glowing with negativity towards something because almost always

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Speaker 2: somebody in that room is sleeping with somebody they probably

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Speaker 2: remember one female co host who has not been named

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Speaker 2: on this podcast and will allow her to skate on

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Speaker 2: being named, but literally every time you walk by that

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Speaker 2: it's like it's almost an impossibility that every day of

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Speaker 2: come out of there almost glowing with negativity. So to

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Speaker 2: young people who want to get into this business, here's

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Speaker 2: my advice. It's advice that was given to me by

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Speaker 2: Dave Revsen of the Big ten Network. When you go in,

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Speaker 2: be nice, be cordial, keep your head down, say yes, ma'am, no, ma'am,

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Speaker 2: That way, any of that negativity, if it rubs off

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Speaker 2: negative that that negative energy, sexual tension, somebody has done

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Speaker 2: day at this time Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast,

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Speaker 2: we play for your portion of previous show. Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Thunder.

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Speaker 3: Now there's this rush to is okay see one of

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Speaker 3: the great teams of all time? And the answer is no,

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Speaker 3: they're not. They had a great regular season, but you

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Speaker 3: were pushed to seven games by Denver and pushed to

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Speaker 3: seven games by Indiana. Great teams don't get pushed to

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Speaker 3: seven games, not twice in a playoff series. Now, that

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Speaker 3: good teams. I think what's going to happen. This will

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Speaker 3: work in reverse. It might be two or three years

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Speaker 3: from now when we look back at Okasee and say,

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Speaker 3: you know what, they were a great team. Because we're

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Speaker 3: couple of years now, that's not fair to them. I

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Speaker 3: know Oklahoma City thunder fans get upset when we don't

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Speaker 3: crown them and then praise them. Well, we crown them,

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Speaker 3: we have praised them, But don't look for this, you know,

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Speaker 3: the fast pass to go to great teams of all time?

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Speaker 3: Oka see right now is a one hit wonder and

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Speaker 3: it's a big hit. But let's see what you do.

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Speaker 3: What do you add to your catalog?

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Speaker 2: if they're one of you know, Dan Byer's like that,

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Speaker 2: well they're the worst champion of all time. Like again,

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Speaker 5: Really.

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Speaker 4: I think they have a great blend of what we've

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Speaker 4: I think, like, look at their nine man next year.

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Speaker 6: I have never been into guys with an absolute go

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Speaker 6: That's a good restaurant. Lebron James at his age led

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Speaker 6: He elevates others, He's smart. Lebron always gets a really

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Speaker 2: like I've never heard anybody say that about anybody. If

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Speaker 9: Rebecca Lobo. The awkward exchange. This is not really, in

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Speaker 9: my opinion, completely on Rebecca Lobo. She makes a statement,

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Speaker 9: She's like, yeah, make it great again, whatever, a very

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Speaker 9: universal phrase. Pam Ward does not respond. The long pause

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Speaker 9: of silence is pam Ward refusing to acknowledge what she

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Speaker 9: just said. So Rebecca Lobo apologizes, But really it was

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Speaker 9: pam Ward who should have just been like, yep and

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Speaker 9: move on. I've heard the term make something great again

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Speaker 9: in a movie in twenty twelve, pre dating Trump by

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Speaker 9: several years. It's a very universal term. Pam Ward should

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Speaker 9: have just said, hey, yeah, you're absolutely right, and not

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Speaker 9: just waighted she yes, she. Pam Ward just let the

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Speaker 9: silence bleed out, and then Rebecca Lobo Ha'd be like, oh, well,

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Speaker 9: this is awkward. Now, I'm sorry about that. I meant,

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Speaker 9: you know, I could could have rephrased it. Pam Ward

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Speaker 9: should have just answered and kept on going because that

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Speaker 9: made it awkward.

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Speaker 5: Been a good teammate now, And I will correct one

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Speaker 5: thing you said because it's important her. She didn't say

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Speaker 5: make America great again? No, I know she was using America.

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Speaker 5: She used a part of it. And that's what that's

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Speaker 5: that's in guiding here, is that she said something that

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Speaker 5: is just a cliched phrase that we should be proud of.

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Speaker 9: Because Trump used a phrase, a pretty much a cliched

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Speaker 9: phrase to make it his campaign slogan.

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Speaker 7: It's universe.

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Speaker 9: Parts of that phrase are universally used by people in

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Speaker 9: language all the time. Also, if make America Great Again

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Speaker 9: is triggering to you, you've heard it ten thousand times,

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Speaker 9: it's probably you should just be tougher than that.

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Speaker 5: The This is something that Doug is not very enthusied

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Speaker 5: about this topic. Okay, face of the NBA. I try

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Speaker 5: to run these things by you, and you give me

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Speaker 5: very little.

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Speaker 2: Feedback because I don't like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's for talkers, it's.

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Speaker 2: For it's for uh it's so fake.

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Speaker 5: Talk space and people that do debate radio, debate TV.

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Speaker 5: But I will say this, it is a thing because

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Speaker 5: it rose to the level of Alex Caruso, recent champ,

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Speaker 5: two time champ, addressing it in a press conference about SGA.

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Speaker 10: As far as you know, like face of the league

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Speaker 10: and best player on best team, he's got that capability.

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Speaker 10: I mean clearly the year he's had MVP Western Conference Finals,

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Speaker 10: MVP Finals, MVP Champion, And I think the thing that

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Speaker 10: sets him apart is he'll probably be hungry for more.

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Speaker 10: You know, he probably won't be satisfied with just winning

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Speaker 10: this one time. He'll want to do it again. He'll

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Speaker 10: want to be better. He'll want to see how he

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Speaker 10: can tweak and maneuver his his game to better fit

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Speaker 10: and take advantage of the way people guard him.

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Speaker 5: And I if SGA is the face of the NBA,

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Speaker 5: then the NBA is in big trouble. There's a reason

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Speaker 5: why Tim Duncan wasn't the face of the NBA. He

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Speaker 5: had all the credentials, all the awards, all the championships,

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Speaker 5: SGA is not interesting and great player, seems like a

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Speaker 5: really good dude, seems like a grounded, married guy. But

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Speaker 5: he's not the face of the league. There's a reason

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Speaker 5: why Lebron James is the face of the NBA. Michael

487
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Speaker 5: Jordan was before that. There's a reason Caitlin Clark is

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Speaker 5: the face of the WNBA because they suck up all

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Speaker 5: the oxygen in the room when they are talked about

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Speaker 5: that you can't put, you can't measure that.

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Speaker 2: Let me help you. This is the Caitlin Clark discussion.

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Speaker 2: That's this the Kaitlin Clark discussion. Caitlin Clark's not the

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Speaker 2: best player in the WNBA, at least not yet. She

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Speaker 2: may become that. She's interesting, but she's not. And what

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Speaker 2: I think WNBA people they have a lot of issues.

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Speaker 2: But one of the issues that they have, Jason, is

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Speaker 2: that they don't understand that it has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with who's the best player. Asia Wilson has been the

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Speaker 2: best player of the past couple of years. Kevin Clark's

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Speaker 2: not there yet. It has to do with what people

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Speaker 2: gravitate towards. It's a lot like pop music, you know.

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Speaker 2: I actually had a great discussion with my son last night.

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Speaker 2: We were driving for like an hour and a half.

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Speaker 2: And he's sixteen now so he can drive. So he's

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Speaker 2: driving and he likes new school underground rap, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: did you always when you were a high school kid?

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Speaker 2: Would you have listened to this? And I was like,

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Speaker 2: let me play for you. So we volley between what

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Speaker 2: he listened to what I listened to, kind of like

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Speaker 2: a rap musical journey, right, and then we started talking about, hey,

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Speaker 2: I had other musical interests and here's why, and what

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Speaker 2: my dad listened to and what my mom listened to,

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Speaker 2: and what my friends were into. Like when we'rehigh school,

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Speaker 2: everybody listen to alternative. He's like, did you listen to

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Speaker 2: country that? I was like, No, nobody listened to the

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Speaker 2: country when I was a kid. Now it's very much

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Speaker 2: kind of mainstream, almost poppy, right. And then I said

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Speaker 2: I never I was never somebody who listened to kiss FM.

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Speaker 2: I just wasn't. I wasn't a pop music guy. And

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Speaker 2: he's like, I don't get popular music. I was like,

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Speaker 2: no one's ever said pop music is the best music.

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Speaker 2: It's just the music that the most people like to

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Speaker 2: listen to, right, And that's what we're talking about with

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Speaker 2: face of the NBA, which people can't really and and

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Speaker 2: by the way, it's why the NBA is in a

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Speaker 2: very weird place because Lebron James has reached his peak

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Speaker 2: of popularity and now is on the downside of his career.

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Speaker 2: It's reasonable, but also we've gotten to this point to

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Speaker 2: where he's been around so much a lot more people

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Speaker 2: get annoyed with a lot of little things that they

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Speaker 2: don't need to get annoyed with. But because he's been

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Speaker 2: doing it and he's been so popular for so long,

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Speaker 2: we're kind of done there, right Steph Curry, he still

534
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: has that gravitational pull when he plays, but it feels

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Speaker 2: like he's reached the peak of his powers as well.

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Speaker 2: Be born annoyed by by Steph. But we it's we yes,

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Speaker 2: we get it. He makes a lot of threes. But

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Speaker 2: the point is that as Lebron has sucked all that

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Speaker 2: oxygen and Steff has sucked all the oxygen out of

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Speaker 2: the rooms, now comes the point of replacing them, and

541
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Speaker 2: we're trying to like hand pick a successor and go

542
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Speaker 2: ooh ooh that guy. It just kind of happens organically.

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Speaker 2: It just you can't force it, and for whatever reason

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Speaker 2: we try and force it. I don't understand that.

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Speaker 5: So yesterday my my theory on Caleb Williams or I

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Speaker 5: made the metaphor he's the cheating spouse that spends the

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Speaker 5: rest of the relationship doing guilt guilt things like so

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Speaker 5: the rest of the relationship is you're the use the

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Speaker 5: spouse that wasn't cheated on, thinking is he doing this

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Speaker 5: out of the kindness of his heart because he loves me,

551
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Speaker 5: or is he doing it because he fucked around on me?

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Speaker 5: So that it's kind of like forever, distrusting and toxic.

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00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: That's what Caleb Williams has with Bear fans. He didn't

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Speaker 5: want to go there. It's been well documented there. It

555
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: was so well sourced that it's been written a book

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Speaker 5: Forever that will come out in the fall. So he

557
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Speaker 5: has to spend the rest of his relationship with the

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Speaker 5: person he cheated with trying to do nice things for them.

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Speaker 5: And so yesterday he said, you know, packers fans and

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Speaker 5: packers suck, trying to ingratiate himself to Bears fans. This

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Speaker 5: is what he said about his relationship with this current coach,

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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 9: I love him he's awesome.

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Speaker 2: It's been great, big around and we hang out.

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Speaker 11: In his office and we just you know, we have

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Speaker 11: lunch sometimes things like that. We just you know, build

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Speaker 11: this bond relationship to be able to you know, last

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Speaker 11: a while. And so I know, Bears fans, you know,

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Speaker 11: it's a year after year typically or every year on

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Speaker 11: here where the Bears where you know, coaches and in

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Speaker 11: quarterbacks specifically are our in and out and our goal

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Speaker 11: is to be.

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Speaker 2: Here for a while.

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Speaker 5: Our goals to be here for a while. We have

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Speaker 5: lunch together. Bears fans can't wait to be here for

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Speaker 5: a long time with my head coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think you put it the

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Speaker 2: right way, and he's constantly Yeah. I honestly, your analogy

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Speaker 2: was great. I'd love to poke holes in it, but

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Speaker 2: it's great. So you're annoyed by the fact that he

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Speaker 2: has to keep doing this, has to keep going the

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Speaker 2: apology tour.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Kay Williams is annoying the face of the league

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Speaker 5: conversation as it really is to Shay and then calling

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Speaker 5: me Maga for questioning the Rebecca Wibbo exchange.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's anything more annoying than that.

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Speaker 2: The name calling because of a belief in the opposite

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Speaker 2: of something that's been said or whatever. Just dilabeling people.

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Speaker 1: That why are we doing this because we can?

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is a special one for you, John Boat giants.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is gonna make because we can today because

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Speaker 5: I think for the first time in the history of

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Speaker 5: the world, a sitting president on the White House lawn

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Speaker 5: dropped an F bomb.

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Speaker 1: Now we have we basically have two countries that have

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Speaker 1: been fighting so long and so hard that they don't

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Speaker 1: know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?

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Speaker 2: So good? I don't know that's actually an accurate portrayal

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Speaker 2: of it. I think they actually do know what they're doing,

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Speaker 2: and they they have their own way of doing it.

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Speaker 2: And he's, look, dude, you're just coming aboard to understand

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Speaker 2: that they're gonna They're gonna say one thing and do

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Speaker 2: the other. And they've been doing it for a long time.

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Speaker 2: But that was really good. That was a this is

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Speaker 2: what the guy is really like. It was amazing. And

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Speaker 2: for that, it's because we can. That's it for the

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Speaker 2: end The Modes Podcast. I got the radio show everyday

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Speaker 2: three to five Eastern Tell Too Pacific, Fox Sports Tradio,

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