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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huttle on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the newest episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John Smoke

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Speaker 1: with you today's guest Fox Sports analyst Mark Schlareth, who

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Speaker 1: has the game this week on Fox for the Giants

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Speaker 1: and Rams, want to reminds you that the Giant Subtle

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Speaker 1: and your favorite podcast platforms. Mark, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: How are you, my Frank to the top to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great, John Man, it's great to be on.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Mark. Let's go to the defensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball from the Giants. I think they've

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Speaker 1: actually stopped the run fairly well on early downs. They

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Speaker 1: have pretty stout up the middle with Dexter Lawrence, Dalvin Thomas,

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Speaker 1: and Lennon Williams. I think Lorenzo Carter has been a

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Speaker 1: fairly good edge player against the run as well, but

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Speaker 1: their third down defense has killed him when they know

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Speaker 1: the other team's passing the other team knows they're passing,

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Speaker 1: they can seem to get off the field. How do

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Speaker 1: you see those plays? Is there a common thread that

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Speaker 1: that's kind of joining all those struggles on third down

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Speaker 1: defense together? Yeah? I well, I am, I'm with you

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Speaker 1: on UM. On the line of scrimmage, I think Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Thomlinson is a really good run defender. Um, They've they've

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Speaker 1: is a phenomenal football player and his ability to run

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Speaker 1: under guys and his ability from a recognition standpoint, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's a really good He's a really good player. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that happens to the

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Speaker 1: Giants a lot is you'll see them in third down situations,

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Speaker 1: red zone situations. And this is kind of a philosophical approach.

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Speaker 1: I think that they brought from New England. They want

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Speaker 1: to play a lot of man you know, they want

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Speaker 1: to be aggressive, they want to play a lot of

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Speaker 1: man coverage. And what I've seen is is communication issues

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Speaker 1: in the back end. Um. I've seen you know where

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Speaker 1: they have, you know, a system they want to run,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they get bunched up, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of formation and they get picked. They it's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys bust assignments. Guys UM have undisciplined eyes

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Speaker 1: and and that's what ends up, you know, in my mind,

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Speaker 1: happening to them in those situations. And so UM, from

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Speaker 1: a communications standpoint, they have to be better on their

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Speaker 1: back end. Homes have been Homes have been tricked several

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Speaker 1: times in UH in coverage, in in man demand stuff. UM.

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Speaker 1: And teams listen, when you get into a bunch of

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Speaker 1: and especially you know in third downs, and what are

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Speaker 1: team's gonna do. They're gonna motion, They're gonna short motion,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna stack receivers. They're gonna get into a bunch

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Speaker 1: And they've had a problem when it comes to sift

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Speaker 1: into traffic. They have got lost a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and and they've had busts and and those are the

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Speaker 1: other part too to that. When you're gonna play that

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Speaker 1: And I'm fine with that style, but your front four,

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Speaker 1: I've got to get to the quarterback. Yeah, And and

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Speaker 1: so if you're gonna play that style, you damn well

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Speaker 1: And even if you're bringing an extra you know, an

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Speaker 1: extra rusher, you're dogging, they can't. You can't allow. You

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Speaker 1: You're just running what they run and m and getting

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Speaker 1: what are the keys in order to keep them under control,

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Speaker 1: to not allow some of those schemes openings become open

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Speaker 1: everything out of eleven personnel, so three wild receivers, tight

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Speaker 1: to talk about guys who aren't afraid to mix it up,

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Speaker 1: They just don't care. Um. That's why Robert Woods and

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Speaker 1: And you don't see that very often in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: they're a single high that's what they want to base

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Speaker 1: rotate the linebackers around? We're kicking over like one at

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Speaker 1: a sudden you're smart again, really know You're just dominating

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Speaker 1: Donald as a former offensive lineman. I went back watched

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Speaker 1: he basically tosses three offensive linemen aside on a stunt.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, this guy is not human.

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Speaker 1: How do you stop that guy? And how do you

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Speaker 1: for him to get thick um not permanently, like not

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Speaker 1: permanently sick. I'm not an animal, but just six for

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Speaker 1: I mean you should be like, that's a that's a carnival.

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Speaker 1: That's like, that's the amusement park when it rolls into town.

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