1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Live from our Nations. This budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: do nothing. Space Force. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and Politics 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: colliding Floomberg Sound On, the insidings, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The present has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: nine one five point seven h D two. So there 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: was another hearing today, Vinman and Williams. You don't want 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: to miss what they had to say. This on the eve, 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: the eve of Gordon Silent testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: The intensity surrounding the impeachment inquiry public hearings Week two. 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: I was up in on the Capitol all day and 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: I'll give you the latest on that front. Meanwhile, Democratic 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: Debate Eve. I'm headed to Atlanta tomorrow after the sun 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Lent testimony. We've got a preview this debate. UH, lots 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: of exciting shakeups in the Democratic presidential debate as Pete 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Buddha Jedge now a front runner, What will it look 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: like tomorrow night when he takes the center stage? And 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: the latest on US and China trade fronts new headlined 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: out on the Bloomberg terminal, US China to tie tariff 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: relief to fail deal from May and an exclusive conversation 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: with Senator John Kennedy. Well, at least the portion I 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: can play on air. The Republican from Louisiana weighs in 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: on everything from tariffs to the impeachment and Hong Kong. 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: All star panel here to walk us through a very 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: another pissy day of news. Here inside of the nation's capital, 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: We've got Colin Reid, Republican strategist and managing director at 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: the Levinson Group and time ad store of senior vice 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: president at the Messina Group and former executive director. He's 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: a democratic strategist, also an ultra marathon or tie and 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: running an ultra marathon the weekend after Thanksgiving. Correct, wow, 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: you took the Turkey five k, the Turkey Trot and 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: just times have I tend? So? How many miles are 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: in an ultra marathon? So ultra marathon is technically anything 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: more than a marathon. UM so this one is a 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: fifty K, which is thirty two miles. Wow, that's all 41 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: I got. I want to do an ultra marathon, but 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm a runner. I run a lot, but never done 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: an ultra. But tie, you're putting thoughts in my head. 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: All right, let's start with the big story. I'm up 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill today covering this this hearing. Candidly, I 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: didn't really know what to expect. I don't think anybody 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: knew what to expect Colin uh and it turned out 48 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: to be quite a doozy. I mean, there was a 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of conversations here in the narrative that's emerging from 50 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: those who are testifying. UH. And there were two folks 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: who testified, Vinland, Vin Mansart vin Man and Williams. Jennifer 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Williams is a senior aide to Vice President Mike Pence, 53 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: now the President in the past forty eight hours has 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: taken to Twitter to criticize her, calling her a never trumper. 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: And then you've got Vinman, who's a career UH National 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Security Council UH and and lifelong UH A person in 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: the intelligence world. He works at the National Security Council, 58 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: and he's obviously as a military background. He gets up 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: there and he testifies that he thought the phone call, 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the July phone call between President Trump and Ukraine President Zelinski, 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: was inappropriate. Take a listen to to Vinman's testimony. It 62 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: was inappropriate. It was improper for the president to requested 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: to demand an investigation into a political opponent, especially a 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: foreign power, where there's a best dubious belief that this 65 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: would be a completely impartial investigation, Lusetta. Colonel Alexander Vinman, 66 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: again someone with deep military background, then goes on to 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: discuss the sense to have a heated exchange with the 68 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: top Republican on the committee, Devin Nounez. Uh. Well, just so, 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it. I'm gonna let it play. I 70 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: don't want to even describe it. Take a listen, Lieutenant 71 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Colonel Vimon, you testified in the deposition that you did 72 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: not know who the whistleblower was. I do not know 73 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: who the whistleblower is. That is, how is it possible 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: for you to name these people and then out the 75 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: whistleblower her the advice of my counsel, I've I've been 76 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: advised not to answer specific questions about members of the 77 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: intelligence community. I mean, so essentially dodges that question. Colin 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: read Republican strategist. But but my takeaway was, here are 79 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: these two a political folks who are testifying, and I 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: don't want to get to the issue of impeachment yet, 81 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: but both of them testifying that this call was inappropriate, 82 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: this call was improper. You can also argue, and Kevin, 83 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: this is where I think the Republicans have run amuck 84 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: of their messaging is you could argue everything they just 85 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: said and still think the president shouldn't get impeached. How 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: that's that is what this is about. And Frankly, that 87 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: to me would have been a more compelling argument, which 88 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: is what he did was not proper, but it's not 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: worthy of an impeachable cause. That's a far easier position 90 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: to defend than the call was perfect. And that's why 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: I think Republicans have struggled these first few weeks to 92 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: find their messaging. But look, you said you started this 93 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: off by saying there was big development today. I don't 94 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: think there was anything today or throughout the course of 95 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: this Frankly, that's gonna change opinions. It was going to 96 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: change anything but I think the developments where you've got 97 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: these two officials who are testifying candidly, UH have deep 98 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, clout within their for their various circles. I 99 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: didn't get the notion from either of them that they 100 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: have a career benefit from putting themselves through the Testament. 101 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: But where you stand on this impeaching issue at large 102 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: is still based primarily on where you sit, and I 103 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: don't think minds are being moved that much yet. However, 104 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: I will say the result of this media blackout and 105 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: this coverage and this just inability of anything else to 106 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: break through here, you know, that is starting to hurt 107 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: the president. And I learned this working for Governor Christian 108 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: New Jersey, same thing New York City media market. When 109 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: it's just NonStop, eventually the narrative sticks to you just 110 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: because everybody's talking about I hear you on that. There 111 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: there's an MPR poll out tie uh an MPR Marri's 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: poll that came out today. Sixty of Americans said that 113 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: they're not going to change their mind on based on 114 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: the impeachment hearings, that they've already made up their mountain. 115 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: And it's like or in favor of impeachment the rest 116 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: or not. I mean, it's divided, incredibly polarized, which fits 117 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: the ABC News poll that came out the day before that. 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: But most folks, uh, they're they're they're following this. But 119 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: but to Colin's point, I think you'd agree, no one's 120 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: really going to change your mind. And I think what 121 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: what Colin just said ties interesting because he's saying the 122 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: Republicans have said this was a perfect call. Well they 123 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: by by President Trump saying it was a perfect call. 124 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: It allows for the goal post for the die hard 125 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: supporters of the President's rally behind that, and it gives 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: a middle ground for people like Senator Mitt Romney for 127 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: other folks who are uncomfortable with it, but it keeps 128 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: them out of conviction of in a Senator Trinal, would 129 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: you agree? I think that Collins right like they because 130 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: we saw this in with the Clinton impeachment. Is Clinton 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: gave room to the Democratic members to say what he 132 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: did was wrong, what he did was inappropriate, um, but 133 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: it's not worthy of impeachment. Um. And I think that 134 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: President Trump has a natural inclination never to admit wrongdoing 135 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: and they just always sort of plow ahead. UM. And 136 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: I think that he is putting his Republican members and 137 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't care about them, maybe just cares about himself. Um, 138 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: he's putting them in a sort of an untenable situation 139 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: because you can't see all the facts that come out 140 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: and say it was a perfect call right now. And 141 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I think this is a tough in many ways, it's 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: similar to the Mueller Report, and that it's it's a 143 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: tough thing to follow all of the twists and turns 144 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: and all of these different characters that are testifying every 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: single day. I again, I mean, I've covered this every 146 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: single day. I was struck by today's testimony just because 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily expecting. You don't really go in with expectations, 148 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: but I wasn't necessarily expecting to hear from Jennifer Williams 149 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: what we heard and take a listen to what she 150 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: had to say. Here she is July three, I learned 151 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: that the Office of Management and Budget had placed a 152 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: hold on a trash of security assistance designated for Ukraine. 153 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: According to the information I received, OMB was reviewing whether 154 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: the funding was aligned with the administration's priorities. And then 155 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: she goes on to talk about withholding aid against the 156 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: Department's advice. Here she is Representatives of the State and 157 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Defense departments advocated that the hold should be lifted, and 158 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: OMB representatives reported that the White House Chief of Staff 159 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: had directed that the hold should remain in place. Call 160 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: and come in here. What do you when you hear that? 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: And I hear you about I mean, we don't. I 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. Maybe not impeachable from your perspective 163 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: from where you're sitting, but how does how does the 164 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: administration move on when you hear someone has given compelling 165 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: testimony today like Jennifer Williams did well. The outcome of 166 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: this has never really been in the doubt. Doubt in 167 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: the House, the Democratic Houses by all likelihood to impeach 168 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: President Trump and then barring any sort of unforeseen circumstances, 169 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: circumstances or new development. Uh, he won't be acquitted, will 170 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: will be acquitted or won't be convicted, I should say 171 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: in the Senate um. But the interesting thing to me 172 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: about this, Kevin, and you alluded to this in your opener, 173 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: is never in a presidential cycle this far along has 174 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: so much media attention, so much interest, so much focus 175 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: on the activities of Congress. We are a less than 176 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: a year away from presidential election, and that usually and 177 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: will continue to will at some point resume their place 178 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: a top the media hierarchy. There's a debate tomorrow night. 179 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: Iowa votes in about two months, and then the interesting 180 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: thing to me is going to be watching this play 181 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: out and the course uh of that Democratic presidential primary 182 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: were no fewer than six candidates are sitting senators, and 183 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna be boxed in because they're gonna have to 184 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,239 Speaker 1: be here with you on the hill, not out campaigning, 185 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to be careful about what they 186 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: say or don't say, or risk for going their their 187 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: status is an impartial juror, whereas candidates who are not 188 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: sitting senators, like Vice President Biden or mayor Bloomberg or 189 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: others can say whatever they want. You're like, you're like 190 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz right now, and unlike Aguilar, I'm gonna catch 191 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: the ball because you're setting us up for the next segment, 192 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: which is a preview of the Democratic presidential debate. Panel stays, 193 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: t I hold that thought. I want to hear it 194 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: coming up next down the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on 195 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: Apple it Tunes at Bloomberg dot com or by downloading 196 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us on 197 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: Radio dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. Have Kevin 198 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: s really, Chief watching and correspondent for Bloomberg TV and 199 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, And you're listening to Bloomberg ninety nine one. 200 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 201 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: one and one or five point seven f M h 202 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: D two. I'm Kevin Severally, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg 203 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: Television of Bloomberg Radio. I'm here with Tim Mattsdorff. He's 204 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: a Democratic strategist Colin Reid. He's an Eagles fan and 205 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: a Republican strategist. You want to clear the record call No, 206 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: I'll wait till later to show to to that. Oh wow, wow. 207 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: He's actually a New England Patriots fan. And it's it's annoying. 208 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: Um Ty, you had your we had, we got. I 209 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: want to let you finish your thoughts with regards to 210 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: to today's hearings U and Jennifer Williams testimony, the aid 211 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: for Vice President Mike Pence, who testified today that that call, 212 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: that July call with Trump and Zelinsky was improper. Oh, 213 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, um, you know. Now, the 214 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: White House was putting out statements from other people on 215 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: Pence staff basically saying they didn't hear anything improper, why 216 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: didn't she reporter in real time, etcetera. But the bottom 217 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: line is this no republic Blikan is saying, and even 218 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: the White House is not saying that Donald Trump did 219 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: not bring up Joe Biden with the President of Ukraine, 220 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: and so that is you would agree with that too, right. 221 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: I think this gets to my earlier point of why 222 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: it's probably calls perfect totally and and that's what I'm saying, 223 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Like they have ceded that at that point. So whether 224 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: you agree it's impeachable or not, like however, the American 225 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: people decide the House and asides like they have ceded that. 226 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: And I think that in and of itself is incredibly disturbing. 227 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: But what's interesting is we're not seeing this play out 228 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: a ton on the presidential campaign trail among the Democratic candidates. 229 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: They all agree, they all agree, they all agree. And 230 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: I think that tomorrow night we've got a debate, which 231 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, we can we can talk about. I don't 232 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: think that impeachment comes up much. I don't. I think 233 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: the candidates will make glancing statements about you know, clearly 234 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: this was wrong. The House should do its duty. We 235 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't do this. But like you said, everybody agrees, there's 236 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: five people up there who are going to be jurors 237 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: on it. I don't think the moderators seem much ground 238 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: to be gained. So my guess is it doesn't come 239 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: up a bunch in pel It's an a t L Atlanta, Atlanta, 240 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: Tyler Page Studios. It's not. It's Tyler Perry Studios. Tyler 241 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Pagers my colleague here at Bloomberg, but Tyler Perry Studios 242 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Joe Biden, Corey Booker, Buddha Jedge, Tulsey Gabber, 243 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders, Tom Steyer, Elizabeth Warren, 244 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Yang. Who are I think Buddha Jedge? Arguably, this 245 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: is his moment in the in the sun is not 246 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: an expression. This is his time in the spotlight. But 247 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: he's got pressure on him this time. Totally. It's a 248 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: double edge short like it is. It is his time 249 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: to shine because the spotlight will be on him, he's 250 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: leading in Iowa. But the spotlight is always bright, and 251 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: with bright lights comes hot heat. And I think that 252 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: Pete laughing here in the studio, that Mayor Pete is 253 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: going to get a little bit more scrutiny, probably a 254 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: few more elbows from people on the stage than he 255 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: has in the past. Yes, I agree, the lights. The 256 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: lights are bright when you start doing well. It's the 257 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: price of success, I mean prior to this. And it's hard. 258 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe there is a presidential debate tomorrow 259 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: because everyone's attention is focused elsewhere. That's a week pause. Yes, 260 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: everyone has said that today there's a debate tomorrow. What 261 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: there's a debate tomorrow? Everyone on Capitol Hill. I had, 262 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: I had lunch with a source of prominent democratic strategy 263 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: of source. I said, you're going to the but you're 264 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Oh no, I'm skipping that with that, you 265 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean that that that can't 266 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: be understand which could be that news for Buddha Jedge 267 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: or good news for him. Well, and the end of 268 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: the line is coming for some of these folks, Like 269 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna people who were gonna be voting in less 270 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: than two months. You want to make your moment. The 271 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: time is now because you might not have a chance, 272 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: and this is a way to go out with a bang. Well, 273 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like I would also be 274 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: so annoyed if I was these candidates, because literally they 275 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: spent millions of dollars harvesting online donors just to qualify 276 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: for this debate, and now nobody could couldn't care less 277 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: one candidate did all of them? Well, okay, yeah, I 278 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: thought you were talking about Tom Styar, Tom Stared, but like, look, 279 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: all of them were spending hundreds of thousands of dollars 280 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: to correct cross that online donor threshold to qualify for 281 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: these debates. And literally, like because of what's going on 282 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: up on Capitol Hill, the oxygen is gonna be stuck 283 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: out of it. Now. For for some that's good, Like 284 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: if you stumble, Like let's say one of the candidates stumbles, 285 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, if it's whether it's mayor Pete or Warren 286 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: or anybody, they stumble it, you know it'll be forgotten 287 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: when uh, you know, the next person testified. Well, these 288 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: debates used to be, and maybe they will again be, 289 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: such an inflection point in these in these campaigns, because 290 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: it's how you make your moments and how you get ahead, 291 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: and now you knock other people down. And Tay and 292 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: I were just talking the two thousand, fifteen and sixteen 293 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: Republican debates where forget about your politics. They were formal 294 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: entertaining than these Democratic debates, which have thus four been 295 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: so polite and understated. And I've been amazed, frankly watching 296 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: Senator Warren's rise, which I gave her credit for politically, 297 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: because she's run a great campaign, but as she's on it, 298 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: no one has challenged her in those debate stages. They've 299 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: all it's almost as if they're afraid to go after her. 300 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: And granted, she's a good debater, she went to college 301 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: and a debate scholarship. She's that's her natural setting. But 302 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: you got to slow the train down before it becomes 303 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: a runaway train. And you know, Warren's momentum installed a bit, 304 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: one would argue because of you know, questions that rose 305 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: from Medicare for All and then just the discussion moving 306 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: away from her at large. But she is one of 307 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: those five or six who is a juror in this campaign, 308 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: and as someone who's worked for a sitting senator who 309 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: needs to get back out in the campaign trail and 310 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: has Senate business to tend for, to tend to. It 311 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: can be tricky because you don't want to show complete 312 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: dereliction of your day job while you're running for the 313 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: next off. I still think Biden is really in a 314 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: strong position, much stronger. I mean, you look at the pole. 315 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: A New Morning Console poll has Biden with a twelve 316 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: point national lead. A twelve point national lead. I get 317 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: it in terms of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina 318 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: and momentum, but twelve points is twelve points. Well, well, 319 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: and let's not forget I think that actually there's a 320 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: lot of focus on South Carolina. Nevada I think is 321 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: actually gonna be more important because that is sort of 322 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: the first time that you get a very diverse electorate. Um. 323 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: But the more the more doing in Nevada, I don't 324 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: have that good good so the more interesting thing. Like again, 325 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about momentum, it's fun to do 326 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: national all this this is a hunt for delegates and 327 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: the most useful poles. This is an insider because this 328 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: makes me so depressed. It's about the voters tyto ahead. Yeah, well, 329 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: it's about how the voters decided to award delegates in 330 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: a very mathematic formula, but the class go ahead. The 331 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: more interesting thing that came out that CBS and Yugov 332 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: is doing is they do the poll the first four 333 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: states and superducing states, then award delegates based on who's performing. 334 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: And Biden is sort of far and away the leader 335 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: in all those I thinks, you know, Warren's kind of 336 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: a second, but you've got to remember this is all 337 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: about winning delegates, and unless you understand delegate math, you 338 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: can't say how this thing is gonna play out. My 339 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: four we're governor in Massachusetts. De Waal Patrick, he got 340 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: in last week. He's kind of been forgotten about now 341 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: because of the national discussion. I don't agree with much 342 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: of him political politically, but he's a very good campaigner, 343 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: and if he decides to plan his flag in New 344 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: Hampshire the next couple of months, he could make things 345 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: interesting because he has that reservoir of goodwill and support 346 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: there and he kind of speaks to that non Bernie, 347 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: non war and wing of the party without Biden's baggage 348 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: coming up. I'm gonna play for you a little bit 349 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: of my conversation with Senator John Kennedy, a Republican from Louisia, Louisiana, UH, 350 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: and we talked policy. We're gonna pivot the policy coming 351 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: up next to the latest on Hong Kong and uh 352 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: US China trade relations, and then what's on the panel's radar. 353 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at 354 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business App. 355 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot Com, I 356 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm Kevin SERELLI I'm like I said, 357 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna be covering the impeachment tomorrow morning and the 358 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: debate tomorrow night live from Atlanta. You don't want to 359 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: miss that. You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound 360 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one or five 361 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: point seven D two. We have to teil President g 362 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: in China that he's making up strike here. He's making 363 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: the people of China like the people of honor the 364 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: world we all yearn for free. That was Senator John Kennedy, 365 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: a Republican from Louisiana, speaking to me earlier today on 366 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television. I was asking him about a piece of 367 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: legislation that the Senate is literally just about to take 368 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: up as we are speaking. Senator Marco Rubio, the lead 369 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: sponsor on this bill, a Republican from Florida. He has 370 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: a bill that would show a support for the Hong 371 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Kong protesters, and the House has already passed similar legislation. 372 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: The President has not said one way or another whether 373 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: or not he will sign this legislation into law. And 374 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: Senator Kenny and as Senator Kennedy in his interview with 375 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: me earlier today for Bloomberg Television, he said that he 376 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: is urging the President to support this piece of legislation. 377 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: Then I was checking my Bloomberg terminal. And Vice President 378 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: Mike Pence said in a local Indianapolis radio interview today, 379 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: quote the President has made it clear it will be 380 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: very hard for us to do a deal with China 381 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: if there is any violence or if the matter Hong 382 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: Kong protests is not treated properly and humanely. But that's 383 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: the end of the quote. But he did not say 384 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: one way or another whether the President would actually sign 385 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: this bill, um this piece of legislation into law. And 386 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: President shi Jing Ping has said that it could if 387 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: this bill does go into take effect, that it that 388 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: it could be impactful of the US China Phase one 389 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: trade deals. So I'm telling you these we've we've covered 390 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: it for weeks now. These protests in Hong Kong have 391 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: really become an issue as it relates to the US 392 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: and China trade talks. I want to play another portion 393 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: of my interview with Senator Kennedy because I asked him 394 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: about five G technology and it's impact on rural communities. 395 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this exchange here is they're going 396 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: to do a public auction of these radio waves and 397 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: just let all American companies bid. It will be the 398 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to our five G effort, 399 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: and it's gonna mean about sixty billion dollars for taxpayers, 400 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: some of which we can use on work to help 401 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: rule folks get connect. Absolutely, and that's in your your 402 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: line with German Party. Absolutely absolutely. I mean, but this 403 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: one was close and if you want to see an 404 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: example of the swamp, this was a real quiet plan 405 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: that was promoted by obviously the foreign sidellite companies and 406 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: some powerful people in government, and they were just going 407 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: to give away the sixty billion dollar asset and and 408 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: I raised fresh hail, and some some of my friends 409 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: in the House did too, and thanks to the President 410 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: and Chairman Pye, we turned it around. That was said 411 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: Sator John Kennedy, a Republican from Louisiana. You can check 412 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: out my full unedited interview with Senator Kennedy as it 413 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: relates to all things impeachment on Bloomberg dot Com. Here 414 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: with me in studio Colin Reid, Republican strategist and time 415 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: at Score Democratic strategists. And I want to stick with 416 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: policy for a second because so much I think on 417 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: the issue as it relates to five G technology, it 418 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: really unites more lawmakers who represent more rural areas as 419 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: well as lawmakers who represent more urban areas, just because 420 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: the needs for five G technology are so similar in 421 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: that regard. And the issue that we just heard Colin 422 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: from Senator Kennedy was this issue of auctioning, and Chairman 423 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: Pie uh, you know, really can conceding. I think some 424 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: some some political ground there to the outspoken senator from 425 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: from Louisiana. And I'll just say this, and we sometimes 426 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: I think our audience gets it in the sense that 427 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot of these outspoken lawmakers like Kennedy, Graham, they 428 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: are very aligned with the president as it relates to impeachment. 429 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: They're very loud, they you know, they make their quotes, 430 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: they get quoted, and it allows them to have cloud 431 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: on some walkier issues that gives them direct access to 432 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: the President's here. It's a strategy. Yes, Senator Kennedy has 433 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: in a short time here certainly mastered the art of 434 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: the sound bite. And there's probably a lot of Republicans 435 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: in Louisiana who wish he had decided to run for 436 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: governor this year. He might have been able to eat 437 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: that one out um down in Louisiana. And I think 438 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: to the issue of and this plays out beyond just 439 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: the folks you mentioned, I mean, they're the issues of populism. Um. 440 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: We saw this play out a bit in twenty six 441 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: team was Senator some of Senator Sanders, a former supporters, 442 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: backing Donald Trump over over Hillary Clinton. And it's possible 443 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: that some of this same element plays out again in 444 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: two thousand he as the But there's currency in the 445 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: sell by. That's the point I'm trying to hammer home. 446 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: So there's currency in the sound by. A lot of 447 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: a lot of questions when I when I leave Washington 448 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: that I get asked by Democrats as well, why are 449 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: those Republicans senators standing by the president when they disagree 450 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: with them on X, Y and Z and vice versa. 451 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: But there's currency in that because Senator Kennedy has campaigned 452 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: with the president. Because Senator Kennedy is amplifying his message 453 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: as it relates to impeachment when it gets in the 454 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: weeds to five G or when it gets to tariffs, 455 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: for example, he has direct access to sixteen HNDRE Pennsylvania 456 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: Avenue totally. And I think that senators and and and 457 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: House members always sort of have dueling priorities like what 458 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: are the things they want to get done and then 459 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: what do they have to do to get those done? So, 460 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: for example, you know Chuck Schumer, who's master politician, does 461 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of national political things right he was chair 462 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: at the d SC, etcetera. What gave him the ability 463 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: to do that? Every Sunday he's home in New York 464 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: talking about local issues, so he's able to consolidate that 465 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: power so she doesn't have to worry about reelection, so 466 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: he can focus on national issues. Saying with these guys 467 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: like why do you fly on Air Force one with 468 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump? So you can talk about five G and 469 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: talk about five G and Baton Rouge like, why do 470 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: you say you know Donald Trump is X, Y and 471 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: Z so he reads in the clips calls you on 472 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: the phone. I mean like when you know, when Bacchus 473 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: used to talk with Obama, he would say, you know, 474 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Oh, by the way, you know, we 475 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: need to get this wastewater product done in Helena. And 476 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: so that is that is what it is about. Like 477 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: you've got to figure out what are the levers of power? 478 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: I need a pull to achieve my goals. It's fascinating, 479 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: all right, coming up, what's on the panel's radar. Download 480 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple, iTunes, at Bloomberg 481 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You 482 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: can also find us on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, 483 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: and Spotify. And Kevin's really special coverage of the Democratic 484 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: presidential debate live from Atlanta tomorrow night. You're listening to Bloomberg. 485 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound Dawn with Kevin on Bloomberg and 486 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: one oh five two. I'm Kevin Cirelli Chief Washington correspondent 487 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio or Radio time. Mat 488 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: Storps here, Democratic strategist Colin Reid's here, Republican strategist and 489 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: big Philly Eagles guy. Oh that's fake news, Kevin, and 490 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: you know it. And I wasn't actually going to bring 491 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: this up. I was not going to dance on your 492 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: team's grave after your loss on on Sunday. But now 493 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: I may be so inclined to do it. I will say, 494 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: other than the outcome, the thing I enjoyed most about 495 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: that game was Jim Nance finally recognizing what's been known 496 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: all along, which is the so called Philly Special was 497 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: a play you guys stole from the Patriots two years 498 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: or and then you guys put up a statue for 499 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: that is that is offensive, But that's okay because you 500 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: just took Philadelphia religion and what you stole from us 501 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: two years or la. I I'm actually speecialst right now, 502 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: and I'm being very cognizant of the fact that I 503 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: am on air, so I am not going to say 504 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: anything that will get me in trouble. And not only 505 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: said we beat you in the Super Bowl and Tom 506 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: Brady threw a hissy fit on his way off of 507 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: the field on Sunday, which just goes to show you 508 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: more about Tom bred. You did win a Super Bowl, 509 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: and we've won a Super Bowl since. I don't even 510 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: want to I don't even want to go there. I'm 511 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble. I can't believe you just went 512 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: after the Philly Philly who stole it? Oh my, I 513 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: gotta focus keV. Christine's on vacation. No one's here to 514 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: keep me in my lane. Uh tie, I'm gonna give 515 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: you the that is I I can't even that is rude. 516 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: What you just did. That is very rude, going after 517 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: the Philly phillip Uh tie? What's on your radar? I 518 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: I gotta keep moving, keep moving. What's on your radar? Well, 519 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk about real football, it is the 520 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: hund sixteenth meeting of the University of Montana versus Montana 521 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: State this weekend. So that is that's where the action is. 522 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: What is my real It's Penn State in Ohio's state. 523 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: But go ahead. We talked um. We talked earlier about 524 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 1: public sentiment around impeachment. Did the hearings movement probably not um. 525 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: One new factor is we're starting to see paid media 526 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: around this, paid television ads. Over the last seventy two hours, 527 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: we've seen about nine and a half million dollars going 528 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: half million on pro impeachment and about two million dollars 529 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: anti impeachment. So will this start to move the needle 530 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: in some of these battleground districts. I don't think it will. Well, 531 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: the question is doesn't move the temporary needle? Like a 532 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: year from now, people probably won't remember impeachment at all, 533 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: just being quite honest, But at least in this timeframe, 534 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: do you see that remember it? But they're not. It's 535 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: not gonna it's not gonna be a vote driver. It 536 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: won't be a vot driver. And remember we're talking about 537 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: probably five percent of the population, because the rest of 538 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: the population is sort of like in their corners, they've 539 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: got their mind made up. We're talking about five percent 540 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: of population here. I was struck by this sin ansel 541 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: and has Pete Boha judge in New Hampshire, ju Biden's 542 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: a fifteen percent. Go ahead, let me throw red challenge 543 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: flag on that Democrat. Wow, wows, he's throwing red a 544 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: red flag it might be he's his uniful was blue folks. 545 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: It might be read or it might be right, it 546 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: might be wrong. But it's based on two or fifty 547 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: two voters, So that means you've got a margin of 548 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: air somewhere in the eight percent. Probably with landline phones. Yeah, 549 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: probably with earlier in the and before we came on, 550 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: Andrew's a state pull into I've learned. I don't know 551 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: how we got off on this tangent, but I was 552 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: telling me that he is a big believer of landline phones. 553 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: And if I was saying, if I was president, I mean, 554 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: why do you need landline phones? Yeah? You know, between 555 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: landline phones and my roller boards, I'm just ready to 556 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: get rid of the roller boards, all right? What's I 557 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: was actually struck by this, but just to stay on second, 558 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: a FP has this story out about Buddha Jedge now 559 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: based upon his surge, and they go on like halfway 560 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: down the story and they say, well, budda judge does 561 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: not dwell on his sexual orientation. He has spoken candidly 562 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: about his about his decision to come out four years ago. 563 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: Do straight guys have that clause in these in the 564 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: reporting where you don't dwell on your sexual oriented how 565 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: do you dwell on your personal life? He's a politician. 566 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: That's annoying. Uh, Colin, what's under radar? I want to 567 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: build on two things that I just said because I 568 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: think they're both important. One, messages shouldn't be tested or 569 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: counted until the paid media starts flying, and now it's 570 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: beginning to and we'll actually know what sticks. But here's 571 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: my preview, keV. A year from now, uh, And I'll 572 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: call you at this because that's what I do. But 573 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: a year from now, the paid media will be focused 574 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: on issues other than impeachment, except for House Republicans using 575 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: it to go after potentially vulnerable House Democrats and districts. 576 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: Trump's won if this whole thing of blows over, because 577 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: they're the ones who, frankly, have put the most political 578 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: skin in the game by taking a tough vote and 579 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: actually getting this whole thing to to move along. So 580 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: that's what that's what's on your radar. Alright, Well, I 581 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: think I had a better radar, you know why, because 582 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: he didn't come in to to this house and criticize 583 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: Philadelphia religion. I'll take my phone charger back now. I 584 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: never have a phone charger fund facts. I've always and 585 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: I always say, whoever gets the first question every show 586 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: is likely the end of visual Who who lets me 587 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: borrow their phone charger? All right, you know what's on 588 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: my what's on my radar? I've got two things, Uh, 589 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: air Tuan President or Turkish President Erduan said that he 590 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: told Trump during the White House meeting last week that 591 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: Turkey would not halt its deployment of a Russian air 592 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: defense system, and he downplayed the differences between NATO allies 593 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: over the deal. I'm reading from my colleagues on the 594 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal, Uh er Duan. Uh said this in Ankara 595 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: earlier today. We agreed to seek solutions on the S 596 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: four hundred, but he went on to say that that 597 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: he's still going to do it. I mean, that's a 598 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: major major difference. Remember, folks, the President sat with top 599 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: Republican senators with this meeting with Turkish President air Duan, 600 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, Joanie Ernst, and others, and they're 601 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: seemingly was a lot of pressure to get some type 602 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: of deal. Erdauan says that there was no deal met. 603 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: There is another thing on my radar, and it's the 604 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: U s m c A. We've been following this with 605 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: regards to whether or not it's going to get over 606 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: the finish line by the end of the year. And 607 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: a f l c I O President Richard Trump he 608 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: said today, according to Eric Wawson's reporting on the Bloomberg Terminal, 609 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: that he's urging House Democrats to withhold support for the 610 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: U s m c A free trade agreement until the 611 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: Trump administration makes more changes to the enforcement provisions. Of course, 612 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: the a f l c I O is the head 613 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: of that's the largest US union confederation and just another 614 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: chess piece in this U s m c A debacle. 615 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: Justin Trudeau has decided to switch out Christian Christie Freeland 616 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: as Canada's top trade diplomat. We've got about a minute 617 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: left hide. But in terms of U s m c A, 618 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: where are Democrats now as we head into the end 619 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: of the calendar year. There's a lot of freshman Democrats 620 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: in suburban districts that really want this done. They really 621 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: want to take this home. And I know that there's 622 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: a segment, politically speaking, there's a segment of our party 623 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: that does not want to give Trump a win. I 624 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: fully understand that but there's an equal tension with these 625 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: freshman Democrats who want to take this time. I was 626 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: very struck by Richard Trumpka saying that today because he's 627 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: clearly playing the chess game. All right, I'm struck to 628 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: see how that plays out, all right, quickly? Who wins 629 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: the debate tomorrow night? Colin, Elizabeth Warren t Nobody because 630 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: nobody's watching it. Wow. Brutal, brutal analysis from Ty. Thank 631 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: you to our guest. Thank you to Senator John Kennedy. 632 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at 633 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 634 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot com, I 635 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. Colin read everybody going after my 636 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: beloved Philadelphia Eagles and Philadelphia Folklore do it anytime? Awful? Awful. 637 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin s Reley, Chief Washington corresponded for Bloomberg Television 638 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg Radio special coverage of the debate tomorrow and 639 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Gordon Snlon. You're listening to Bloomberg. Low count Pino count 640 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: Pino count Pino coun