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Speaker 1: Barry Churches here though, so gentleman, gentleman, let's get to it.
Speaker 1: It is a lot of stuff going on here. Um, Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Saturday. I gotta get ready for Saturday night football. Um.
Speaker 1: And I gotta start with DQ because I was. I
Speaker 1: went to the yesterday. Was McCarthy, then Dan Quinn, Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: and then John Fossil and a lot of folks. John Fossil,
Speaker 1: I felt like I should stay, you know, because a
Speaker 1: bunch of people bugged out the sport. But boy, he
Speaker 1: came up with a bunch of scenarios about what happens
Speaker 1: in the game. He's like, Okay, so vander Esh goes down.
Speaker 1: Who moves up in in certain spots? Then he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to move, you know, I need to move
Speaker 1: with Kuamu over here and do this. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of things about who's on these coverage units and
Speaker 1: how you have to get this guy up here? That
Speaker 1: guy there? Does he go over here? He's like, it depends,
Speaker 1: you know. Now I got to decide what kind of
Speaker 1: calls I make, and it just made It was a
Speaker 1: very good education about how tough it is to be
Speaker 1: a special teams coordinator as you deal with injuries of
Speaker 1: a game. Who do you replace? Does this person know
Speaker 1: what to do? Oh? Boy? Whole bunch of stuff? Man,
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff. Man. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I was starting, once I graduated
Speaker 1: from the special teams class over there, I used to
Speaker 1: always keep an eye on those guys because I was about,
Speaker 1: you know, second or third string when it came to
Speaker 1: special teams. Once I started on defense, and I would
Speaker 1: always look at one of those wing defenders went down
Speaker 1: or something like that. Then you would have to have
Speaker 1: a starter input in there. And I was one of
Speaker 1: the guys that had to go in there on special teams,
Speaker 1: and that makes your job a heck of a lot
Speaker 1: easier because you're going straight from punt blocking, you know,
Speaker 1: big defensive ends spritting down the field forty fifty yards.
Speaker 1: Then you got to reset and go straight into the defense.
Speaker 1: And not to me, it's one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: about you know, playing special teams and defense. If Danny
Speaker 1: was there, he could attest to it. When you do that,
Speaker 1: it takes a lot out of your game. I mean,
Speaker 1: it gets you extremely exhausted out there. The mental fatigue
Speaker 1: is real. So when you're juggling those guys around and
Speaker 1: some people take injuries, it takes a toll not only
Speaker 1: on special teams, but defense and offensive starters as well.
Speaker 1: So heck, like Armstrong goes down to the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy who's you know, on your
Speaker 1: on your punt block unit, in your field goal block.
Speaker 1: I mean he's gone. So that's that whole thing. I
Speaker 1: didn't think about it. Okay, So you know who goes
Speaker 1: here and he came back. But when he comes back,
Speaker 1: as he got it up to play specials or he's
Speaker 1: just playing, d Wilson goes out of the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just it was just very fascinating to hear
Speaker 1: John go through all the stuff that he has to
Speaker 1: deal with during I heard a little bit of before,
Speaker 1: but just as he was talking about what was going on,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a smart mancause just trying to figure
Speaker 1: all that stuff out there. So that is pretty cool there.
Speaker 1: Um dan Quinn the Bad Scientists, I asked him, I
Speaker 1: asked him, is Calvin Joseph going to start for you
Speaker 1: this week? Can you confirm that? And he was like,
Speaker 1: we're working a lot of guys in the group, so
Speaker 1: right now they Kensel got a whole bunch of folks.
Speaker 1: Folks got opportunities to play this week on the opposite
Speaker 1: side of Terrence Steel. So that was some bad film.
Speaker 1: That's a bad film. That's a bad to go back.
Speaker 1: Can look at some of the technical issues that he's
Speaker 1: having and I'm sure that during the week Al Harris
Speaker 1: is not coaching that. I don't know where the disconnect
Speaker 1: is with with Kelvin Joseph and what's what's happening with
Speaker 1: him getting beat on the double moving man. And as
Speaker 1: you know, as the former safety, you know one thing
Speaker 1: you can't do is get caught with your eyes in
Speaker 1: the backfield. You know you're uncover two. You cannot line
Speaker 1: up inside dog. These are just rules of the games
Speaker 1: that do not change. You know, feeball is feetball, bro.
Speaker 1: You gotta you can't cheat this game that way, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's not just happening to him. We saw it
Speaker 1: happened to Anthony Brown, and as much as we miss him,
Speaker 1: a lot of the fan base as soon as the
Speaker 1: guy goes down, all of a sudden, now he's value.
Speaker 1: He has value because he's not there anymore. But some
Speaker 1: of those same mistakes we've seen this secondary be plagued
Speaker 1: by it. You talked about this last year about Treyvon
Speaker 1: Diggs and how he's getting beat on the double move.
Speaker 1: Guys are just gambling because they numbers chasing. They're trying
Speaker 1: to be that guy that playing hero ball and not
Speaker 1: playing within the system. In deep playing deep fense, you
Speaker 1: play to the strength of your defense, So you got
Speaker 1: to realize where the weak parts are. Kelvin Joseph Man
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's not it's just the undisciplined play.
Speaker 1: And so when I hear Dan Quinn say this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a competition happening all week, I asked myself.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, okay, that should have been happening anyway.
Speaker 1: We should have been doing that anyway. But also, BC,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of this development for players.
Speaker 1: How do you develop these guys during the week, because
Speaker 1: that to me, you're sitting there in film study and
Speaker 1: I know you as a player. Man, you know, a coach,
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to hear your coach say
Speaker 1: three words, find me somebody that's the worst, that's the worst.
Speaker 1: Find me somebody they don't get beat three times on
Speaker 1: this same thing. And that, that to me is technique,
Speaker 1: that's coaching, that's developed. Hell yeah, it hurts when you
Speaker 1: that guy they're looking, Yeah, find me somebody that don't
Speaker 1: get beat like this. And so man, that's that's you know.
Speaker 1: So you got Kelvin, Joseph Nashan, right, McKinsey, Alexander Kendall,
Speaker 1: Sheffield and Trey von mullin. So they're all basically he's
Speaker 1: like giving everybody work, right, it's a competition, and that's
Speaker 1: why you always hear coaches say, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the best characteristics all this athletic says. I'm like, can
Speaker 1: you be coachable? Can you be a guy that can
Speaker 1: go out there and take the coaching, put it in
Speaker 1: your in your membrane, whatever it is, and apply it
Speaker 1: onto the field. Because I know our heirs and I
Speaker 1: know Joe wod Junior are coaching these guys all right.
Speaker 1: You don't go from being a suspect team in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty to having one of the better secondaries in the
Speaker 1: league in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two without
Speaker 1: good coaching behind it. So I know they're coaching these
Speaker 1: guys throughout the week. Is it that Calvin Joseph just
Speaker 1: isn't applying that coaching to the field, because when he
Speaker 1: got beat on that double move, you're off. He's off
Speaker 1: about ten yards, like you should be able to see
Speaker 1: what's going on, like you know you got something underneath. Help.
Speaker 1: Why are you jumping up on a curl route? To me,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense and it just goes to show
Speaker 1: that I could be wrong, But I feel like this
Speaker 1: guy's even and off as athleticism, like he's just been
Speaker 1: out athleting these guys throughout college and he thought, you know,
Speaker 1: the same thing that happened in the league. No, these
Speaker 1: guys are good in the league. They get paid as well.
Speaker 1: So you gotta take that coaching and combine it with
Speaker 1: your athleticism out there. Very That's that's why the bigger
Speaker 1: question for me when I'm sitting there watching, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: where's the development for these young guys? And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I think is lacking in football period,
Speaker 1: player development. You know, seeing guys make the same technical
Speaker 1: mistakes over and over again, to me is an insult
Speaker 1: to the game because that statement that you just made
Speaker 1: is a guy coachable. That's saying to me that this
Speaker 1: guy is from high school to college has been living
Speaker 1: off of what you just said. His athleticism. Oh, Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph can go out here and play you in man,
Speaker 1: because he can. He can smother you. And guess what,
Speaker 1: he has the speed to make up when he gets burned.
Speaker 1: Like you said, at this level, you can't get away
Speaker 1: with that. And so when you see defensive lineman, when
Speaker 1: you see linebackers, when you see receivers making those same
Speaker 1: mistakes over and over again, to me, I questioned the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, come on, dog, you gotta be getting coached
Speaker 1: up on these things, because man, when I played like
Speaker 1: things that changed to me these days is offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: Offensive linemen are not the way that they used to be. Now.
Speaker 1: Guys used to line block, beat you down the field.
Speaker 1: Now this is a new day. You go on the
Speaker 1: high school field, there's no more ten mans to five
Speaker 1: man slids anymore line block and they just don't do
Speaker 1: that anymore. So the whole offensive line development is thrown off.
Speaker 1: Defensive line development is thrown off. Guys are going to
Speaker 1: these ghol rules, the Manny Weathers, the foot doctor, the
Speaker 1: different guys that teach you know, teach this in the
Speaker 1: off season. I'm just saying that the guys that are
Speaker 1: specialists that are getting these guys right in the off season,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not seeing these guys be developed like
Speaker 1: this through the season. And Calvin Joseph to me, is
Speaker 1: the main culpra that's struggling right now. He's not the
Speaker 1: only one on that double move play that black discipline,
Speaker 1: because if we look at it, Dante follows on the outside.
Speaker 1: You do a spin move to go on the inside,
Speaker 1: thinking I don't know that's gonna spin off this guy
Speaker 1: and get to the quarterback that game, Lawrence the extra
Speaker 1: time to roll around and find that double move. D
Speaker 1: You gotta be disciplined in this defense. It'll expose you
Speaker 1: did that in Philly too. He did it in Philly
Speaker 1: as well. Hell like you guys taking the easiest route
Speaker 1: to the ball, play within the system. Keep that leverage
Speaker 1: out there, force him to come inside and maybe he
Speaker 1: overthrows it, or maybe some of your guys from the
Speaker 1: inside come and help you out. But when you take
Speaker 1: that easiest pass to the quarterback, he goes around, breaks,
Speaker 1: contain touchdowns happen. I mean, you gotta be disciplined in
Speaker 1: this type of defense. So I liked it, Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: He basically said everything you said without saying it about Kelvina.
Speaker 1: He did talk about the double move that he didn't
Speaker 1: like that, but he kind of went through enough that
Speaker 1: you could read. So so if we put HECCK up there,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, translate what DQ said. It's what heck
Speaker 1: to find me somebody with a little laser. This ain't
Speaker 1: he's opened this week. Guys, who's gonna get who's gonna get?
Speaker 1: So so they they have acknowledged, all right, number one,
Speaker 1: you've been allowed to fail. We're not going to keep
Speaker 1: allow you to keep failing. Um, they're gonna look for
Speaker 1: for some solutions out there. So so Calvin Joseph is
Speaker 1: a he's to have a good week of practice. But
Speaker 1: other guys, you know, so that's that's what they're gonna
Speaker 1: and know the only thing that make me makes me
Speaker 1: nervous about that is when you look at the other
Speaker 1: players that you have at the position. I think Nay
Speaker 1: shunt right, he's a he's a tall, rangy guy. So
Speaker 1: to me, he's more of a zone corner because he
Speaker 1: can play an area specifically. I mean it's a loan
Speaker 1: like like exactly, you know, got them he Honda's he
Speaker 1: gonna put them hands on you, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna slow you up. A guy that you have to
Speaker 1: help over the top more. Even the guys that they
Speaker 1: brought in, um that that that they targeted. I think
Speaker 1: the other guy McKenzie, he's he's a nickel guy. So
Speaker 1: how does he fit into that plan? Still there's still
Speaker 1: are big question marks because I think now when you
Speaker 1: talk about if you jeron curse. In his interview, he
Speaker 1: talked about how guys are teams are now looking at
Speaker 1: some of their failings. There's a chink in the armor
Speaker 1: and they know, oh it's on the other side. So
Speaker 1: that's either worst thing somebody like when your old teammates
Speaker 1: is like, right, they've pointed out. It's like if we
Speaker 1: can see it, just like we look at film, we
Speaker 1: see what these guys are doing. People are looking at
Speaker 1: us and saying, Okay, that's the weak spot right there,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna pin the tail on the donkey on
Speaker 1: the other side. But that was also going into that
Speaker 1: Jacksonville game, like, man, you've lost your you lost your nickel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you lost your other corner. That's in this league. That's major.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's tough to overcome. And they have
Speaker 1: overcome it. But you get and you know, almost won
Speaker 1: the game, you know, but you know they I thought
Speaker 1: defense did enough at the end and try and get done.
Speaker 1: But but just yeah, man, they're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 1: And it took Trevor Lawrence until the third quarter to
Speaker 1: figure out number one go get him. Um and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Aaron Rodgers, I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about it, that's what happened up there in Green Bay
Speaker 1: because you know that was when Anthony brad got hurt.
Speaker 1: Oh him. It took them a minute and so DQ
Speaker 1: you can only put so much duct tape or that
Speaker 1: flex all on that spot flex all all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the boat started, the ship be thinking and they've they've
Speaker 1: got fixed, you know, so you got that, then you're losing,
Speaker 1: you know, Hankins up front lose lve. Here's Armstrong go
Speaker 1: out in the game, here's Wilson going down. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going up. Still almost had they were in a
Speaker 1: position to win the game despite all that. But that's
Speaker 1: a lot. You think about the last three weeks, what
Speaker 1: they've dealt with, Um, it's tough. Then you hear the
Speaker 1: ESPN talking heads, you know, and they just whooping them
Speaker 1: up crazy like they're sorryest group around, but without going
Speaker 1: and looking at the context. No, And that's and that's
Speaker 1: what they get paid not to do. It's contextualize the
Speaker 1: nuances and those specific things that happened. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what came down to the attrition in the game.
Speaker 1: We talk about them looking tired, think about their roletion,
Speaker 1: how it was affected and how it has been affected
Speaker 1: with guys going out. Even though Wilson was able to
Speaker 1: come back, Armstrong was able to come back, how effective
Speaker 1: were they after that? You know, U LVEE he hasn't
Speaker 1: been always been a fan favorite. But you see sometimes, man,
Speaker 1: in that running game, they started to take hits. That's
Speaker 1: when I think third down becomes even less effective. When
Speaker 1: LV goes out, man, I do not look, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna the guy Anthony Barr. I think he's good at
Speaker 1: what he does, but I think he's sometimes playing out
Speaker 1: of position as well. I mean this, there's a lot
Speaker 1: about this. This that last game in Jacksonville. The man
Speaker 1: Clark he comes in. He's not a guy I think
Speaker 1: that's even ready to go fools for an entire game.
Speaker 1: He had to play the whole game. And that was
Speaker 1: kind of my thing on Bar. They spoke about it
Speaker 1: at trade. They only wanted to give him so much.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna give you basically basketball. He was
Speaker 1: six man here, we're gonna get your couple. You know
Speaker 1: that big bass guy, he's a full three bass guy.
Speaker 1: You don't want to put him in space. And that's
Speaker 1: what Jacksonville did. Had eleven personnel come out, force Anthony
Speaker 1: Barr to play in space, be that linebacker that has
Speaker 1: to cover tight ends and running backs. And that's not
Speaker 1: a specialty anymore. That's not it. It's it's tough, and
Speaker 1: it's and I don't want to I want to be
Speaker 1: fair about this. I don't think fans realize what drop
Speaker 1: offs are in the National Football League when you start
Speaker 1: going to backups or you put a guy like Peters
Speaker 1: and bar out there where guys that you want and hey,
Speaker 1: there's only so much gas. And to take that check
Speaker 1: injin lightning came on there because it dude, but out
Speaker 1: there too long? What about the cliche next man up,
Speaker 1: hold on, next man up? Man? Please? The reason why
Speaker 1: you check his pols, you know, don't apply to everything
Speaker 1: and everybody sat they're not the same dude everything, you know,
Speaker 1: And and even for the fourth you know, for the
Speaker 1: guys like Anthony Brown, people were complaining about, um, now
Speaker 1: you start to see those guys good football player. Yeah
Speaker 1: he wasn't some pro bowler, but not many people are.
Speaker 1: It's hard and despite everything that was happening, losing guys Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: you know, getting on the defense came with two stops. Hey,
Speaker 1: my opportunity that should have been won by the offense.
Speaker 1: And they've got they've got work to do this week,
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Speaker 1: fantasy team is and we're in dire straight tracks. Man,
Speaker 1: nobody caring out my fantasy team. Man, how you gonna
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Speaker 1: had dragged me about my fancy team, it was dark
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Speaker 1: dark times, I still had the fantasy trophy behind me.
Speaker 1: I hadn't given it to the winter. Oh I had
Speaker 1: one the year before and in the winter he won
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Speaker 1: I paid dearly for us take it. COVID was over,
Speaker 1: I dropped it off. Take it. At least she got
Speaker 1: a chance, man, I'm out take it so um, but
Speaker 1: Jay hurt the MVP. Hopefully people do not knock this
Speaker 1: against him. He's done everything you could ask him to
Speaker 1: do right now, but with a spring shoulder, they're saying
Speaker 1: he most likely will not playing that Gardner Minshew will
Speaker 1: be the quarterback here. I would hope Philadelphia didn't play
Speaker 1: him this week. Nah, it's a short week. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a short week. I hope they don't play. The line
Speaker 1: went up for the Cowboys, by the way the line
Speaker 1: went up, so the Cowboys are expected to win this
Speaker 1: football game. Gardner Minshew is the backup quarterback, so must win.
Speaker 1: Huh after last week? I mean you you okay in
Speaker 1: the locker room, what you're talking about, got so what
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Speaker 1: to And it can't just be a dub where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: we scraped by by the skin of our team. You
Speaker 1: gotta put it on these boys a little bit, especially
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football. Man, you first
Speaker 1: of all your defensive cata and you got not the
Speaker 1: cat of your guy that leads everything, the big Bazook
Speaker 1: of the big briefcase. He's already gone on record talking
Speaker 1: about the gay as just a system guy. So you
Speaker 1: already got shots fired in that regard. You gotta come
Speaker 1: out here and you gotta put it down on the Eagles.
Speaker 1: You can't let Gardener mints. You, I know he's surrounded
Speaker 1: back talent to players, but you cannot let the Gardener mens.
Speaker 1: You go out here and challenge this defense. You gotta
Speaker 1: put it down early, and you gotta put it down often.
Speaker 1: And we gotta get back to getting pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been two weeks now, what is it
Speaker 1: one second? Two weeks, I believe, So it's been unfortunate.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been unfortunate, and you gotta get pressure
Speaker 1: on them, especially what we've just talked about in that
Speaker 1: secondary to earlier segment, how they're how they're waning a
Speaker 1: little bit right now, wining. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: must win, especially when you talk about your confidence. You
Speaker 1: gotta get this dub against Philly, and I think the
Speaker 1: comment that he made on von Miller's podcast, it may
Speaker 1: be something to come back to bite him also because
Speaker 1: it's the brock Purty effect for me. You know, you
Speaker 1: think at what he's doing in San Francisco. They are
Speaker 1: having success because the system works for quarterbacks. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to do a whole lot. He just needs to
Speaker 1: do a little. Let your playmakers do what they do.
Speaker 1: They still have a great offensive line, they still have
Speaker 1: great skills positions. Oh and by the way, they have
Speaker 1: a damn good defense also, so you don't have to
Speaker 1: be much. This is one of those times where you
Speaker 1: could just be a bus driver and if Gardener, miss
Speaker 1: you could come in and be a bus driver. This
Speaker 1: this game still has the same ramifications on it. Hey,
Speaker 1: guess what. They didn't show us no mercy when we
Speaker 1: went up there with Cooper Rush, so they're not gonna
Speaker 1: get any quarter coming here with Gardner miss you. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear none of that. Yeah, no, no, no no, no, no.
Speaker 1: It's the same rules applied. I got Yeah, same thing apply.
Speaker 1: It ain't nothing different. No no, Now, I don't care
Speaker 1: nothing about the Vegas line. I don't care none about that.
Speaker 1: What did happen? There is an opportunity because I don't know. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I supples my shoulder and dog.
Speaker 1: You know that is if you've ever done it, that's
Speaker 1: a hard thing to have to play with and at
Speaker 1: least trying to figure out your way out and how
Speaker 1: to make tackles. I don't know how you play as
Speaker 1: a quarterback with your shoulder like that shoulder right right,
Speaker 1: and so and when I heard Mike McCarthy talk about
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers yesterday in the way that was wild, I mean,
Speaker 1: that was a great story about how you know, look,
Speaker 1: he was limited in his thrown ability, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about somebody that has a cannon for arm. And so
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, if this is going to a yetta, think
Speaker 1: about how hard he had to work to get to
Speaker 1: where he is right now as a thrown quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit for that. He's worked his
Speaker 1: butt off because essentially, nobody has ever been scared of
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts as a thrown quarterback. It's always been his legs.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just Jamal Hollyway. He's Jamal holloway Man.
Speaker 1: He is a running quarterback. He is a guy that
Speaker 1: you fear outside of the pocket. But he's worked on
Speaker 1: that aspect of his of his game. And so if
Speaker 1: he's compromised just a percentage, I think that changes who
Speaker 1: he is as a quarterback. And so for Philly. That's
Speaker 1: and hey, he finished it. I watched the tape. He
Speaker 1: finished the game after that, and then like he went out.
Speaker 1: That'll show you how tough this dude is. And maybe
Speaker 1: he does come in and late this week because Philly
Speaker 1: is fighting to have home field advantage. I don't care
Speaker 1: what nobody say. Winning the East is important, but they
Speaker 1: want to keep their number one seeding. They don't want
Speaker 1: to give that up. And for the Cowboys, the door,
Speaker 1: the window of opportunity just opened that much. A smidget,
Speaker 1: that's a smidget. I'm out of this dinner, out of
Speaker 1: this dinner bed, just by light that that much talk
Speaker 1: about fantasy. I'm like, it's a it's a quick week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a fast turnaround. And if I'm if I'm the Eagles,
Speaker 1: I arrest him to what end um next week We'll
Speaker 1: see where we're at. But I just think off a
Speaker 1: short week, I would not want to want him out
Speaker 1: there and see what you can do with minsh you
Speaker 1: and basically say, all right, let's run the football. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're a good running football team. You got a good
Speaker 1: offensive line, has been healthy mostly, let's run the football.
Speaker 1: Let's see if Number one is out there he's gonna
Speaker 1: be out there because it's a short week. Like I said,
Speaker 1: So you know AJ Brown Smith, somebody gonna find him.
Speaker 1: Let's see what y'all can do. You know, is this
Speaker 1: a week where you gotta travel digs like? Because I'm
Speaker 1: just like I want I want no no, like A J.
Speaker 1: Brown on Calvin Joe. I don't want any parts of that,
Speaker 1: any parts of that like the Slim Reaper. You know
Speaker 1: Demante Smith all right, he got a little bit of
Speaker 1: sides when he could do it. A J. Brown knows,
Speaker 1: I want no party. You gotta travel digs? Man? Am
Speaker 1: I crazy for that? Like? You got no? And when
Speaker 1: I look around the NFL, I look at what the
Speaker 1: Rams do with Ramsey. Ramsey's one of those one man
Speaker 1: He's so good at what I mean, people talk about
Speaker 1: him in this game. But Ramsey is a guy that
Speaker 1: allows the Rams to play man on one side zone
Speaker 1: and you know those those are just little things that
Speaker 1: you can do when you have a special talent. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Cowboys have been able to
Speaker 1: tap into that with Treyvonne. And if Trayvonne is what
Speaker 1: if he's uying for for that upper echelon top top
Speaker 1: dog in the game. He's got to be able to
Speaker 1: do that, being able like you, I've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about this, how tough it is for a guy to
Speaker 1: go from playing inside to being outside. Well, it's other
Speaker 1: guys in the league. Jalen Ramsey do it, do it
Speaker 1: all the time. He do it all the time. Special
Speaker 1: I would. I mean, I'm not arguing this, but I
Speaker 1: think we all believe that Trayvon D's is special. He's
Speaker 1: leading to the special. And that's why you're saying, Okay, look, man,
Speaker 1: we got to travel this guy with AJ and then
Speaker 1: put everybody else in position to do what they do.
Speaker 1: It's come to that, because man, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: right now, look Kelvin Joseph, time, consistency and proof. Can't trust,
Speaker 1: can't I right, you cringe at the thought. Even you're saying, man,
Speaker 1: devote Smith, that's all I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not a good look. If every time this man touched
Speaker 1: the field, now, is there facts every time that man
Speaker 1: touched the field, he's giving up a touchdown, He is
Speaker 1: giving up a touch like that's that's a fact. And
Speaker 1: I don't I just I mean, you've heard it time
Speaker 1: proof because I mean, the guy's consistently being beaten. I've
Speaker 1: talked to you know, my boy Josh Brent Beismo. He's
Speaker 1: in a scounting department here with the Cowboys, and he
Speaker 1: he's of the belief that, no, you gotta keep him
Speaker 1: in there, let him take his lumps, you know, for
Speaker 1: the future. We ain't planning for the future right now.
Speaker 1: We got an opportunity to do something big with this
Speaker 1: this team that they have right now. That's constructive. God,
Speaker 1: So ring is closest to the team. So that's what
Speaker 1: are you doing to me? Oh no, I'm taking lumps.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's like the defensive lind draft. So
Speaker 1: DQ spoke about looking at these combinations and that he
Speaker 1: wasn't just looking at this games, looking beyond. So so
Speaker 1: that's why the whole kind of hey man, Calvin dows,
Speaker 1: a few spot is up, who can take us? Because
Speaker 1: you're in the playoffs? Yes, so you're starting to try
Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, what do we do over there?
Speaker 1: Because what we ran out here it was an issue
Speaker 1: and a problem, and it was such an issue and
Speaker 1: problem even the owner had something to say about that
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Speaker 1: Jones what if I threw the fans said quote, we
Speaker 1: were a little bit stunned that we lost that ball game.
Speaker 1: We have several things we need to work on and
Speaker 1: improve m several seven. It's no doubt still not stopping
Speaker 1: the run man. That's been all year Kelvin Joseph's spot.
Speaker 1: I said before the game, I'm worried time I see that, Captain, Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm worried. And so I'm sitting in the press box
Speaker 1: and having right in front of me, I'm right on
Speaker 1: the sidelight. You just saw. It's like, oh, oh, well,
Speaker 1: so that's Those are things like if you can see it,
Speaker 1: like I said, they could see it also on film.
Speaker 1: But I think the other part about this that's lacking
Speaker 1: is that pass rush. You think about when we start
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, all the way through
Speaker 1: six games, we talked so heavy about this defense. We
Speaker 1: were talking about giving them a nickname. We were talking
Speaker 1: about how special they were, the company that they were in,
Speaker 1: the kind of numbers that they were getting, those kinds
Speaker 1: of what they were doing with getting pressure on the
Speaker 1: quarterback changed the way that you looked at this secondary
Speaker 1: made life so much easier for Brown and did or
Speaker 1: our safeties. All right, guys didn't have to cover as long,
Speaker 1: you know, as a safety dog. When you got that
Speaker 1: kind when you know that guy ain't got that kind
Speaker 1: of time, you can take those kind of chances. Bro,
Speaker 1: you ain't got long, Okay, you ain't long. But now
Speaker 1: when you go up against Jacksonville and you think that
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity versus Trevor Lawrence, who's gonna you
Speaker 1: look at them sixty six. He's a statue in the pocket.
Speaker 1: But he had quick releases. He was getting off the
Speaker 1: ball quick. Michael Parsons was talking about that. But in
Speaker 1: those double move opportunities and those three touchdowns that they
Speaker 1: routed off, those were special drives. And when Doug Peterson sees, Okay,
Speaker 1: y'all are five players down, I'm gonna start with some misdirection.
Speaker 1: Why I'm gonna start with misdirection. I'm gonna start doing
Speaker 1: that because I know I'm gonna tire y'all out, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna set you. I'm anaware you're out, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set you up for the kill. So guess
Speaker 1: what you're calling up against? Seri y Sirianni's gonna do
Speaker 1: the same thing because he has that same kind of speed.
Speaker 1: I am wondering, where is our pass rush guys like
Speaker 1: Tank Lawrence, where you've been Michael Parsons. Look, I talk
Speaker 1: about player of development, I'm looking at Michael and all
Speaker 1: of his moves. I'm not calling him a one trick pony.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, where's the spin, move bro? When you know,
Speaker 1: where's the dipping rip, where's the you know what? All
Speaker 1: the band that I'm looking for? Do you have a club?
Speaker 1: Do you have any of these other things? Because I
Speaker 1: know when Chucky comes in the building, you know, when
Speaker 1: Charles comes in the building, Charles are teaching all of that.
Speaker 1: But who else is teaching this man? Because dog, we
Speaker 1: have to develop. If he's our special player, we gotta
Speaker 1: give him more. He's just so raw athletically, and we're
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, get out there and do what you do, Michael,
Speaker 1: And you can't do that against the rest of the league.
Speaker 1: People are gonna figure you out if some kind of way.
Speaker 1: Teams are figured out how to scheme up eleven, run
Speaker 1: at him, get him tired, they run a screen right
Speaker 1: behind him. They're gonna do everything all season long to
Speaker 1: scheme him up. Mantil he figures it out, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with this. And he spoke about being
Speaker 1: worn down, playing a lot of end, taking a social
Speaker 1: for all those folks leaving it end. Okay, he's played
Speaker 1: a lot of end and the car wreck is getting
Speaker 1: to him versus being being being off the ball. I
Speaker 1: remember the sack numbers they had for Derek Thomas Scott
Speaker 1: rest assault Man, one of my favorite linebackers of all time.
Speaker 1: That in Kansas City the numbers for him standing up
Speaker 1: sack numbers much higher than when he had him um
Speaker 1: playing down. Remember Greg Ellis did not want to play
Speaker 1: for Parcels. Did not because Greg was you know, four
Speaker 1: three gout headed. I didn't want to stay, didn't want
Speaker 1: any parts of it. Made a Pro Bowl by standing up.
Speaker 1: It's different. And so MICA's spoken about, you know, just
Speaker 1: all right, it's taking a toll on the body. And
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter at the end, just watching Mica
Speaker 1: with his hands on his hips right there near the
Speaker 1: end of regulation, you could just use something. It's wearing
Speaker 1: him down. It's getting to him. And that's not an excuse.
Speaker 1: This is a second year player who's playing a little
Speaker 1: bit out of position because they wanted playing they of Russia.
Speaker 1: It's a challenge, man, and people are just like you
Speaker 1: talked about where's eleven. Yeah, they're given him that and
Speaker 1: he's that were that worried me more than anything of
Speaker 1: any comment that he made on Von Miller's show. That's
Speaker 1: the one comment that he made that worried me because
Speaker 1: if I'm an offensive lineman. Oh, you don't like in
Speaker 1: touch where he put his weight on. Oh, he admitted
Speaker 1: that he don't like to get touched. He nothing moving
Speaker 1: the Bronx tail. It's a great movie, man, It's Mafia movie. Man.
Speaker 1: You have watched a Bronx tail. But he asked the question,
Speaker 1: would you rather be feared of love? And the guy said,
Speaker 1: I'd rather be feared because fear lasts longer. People are
Speaker 1: not scared of Mica no more. And that's when people
Speaker 1: line up against Bossa. They scared. They scared a Bossa.
Speaker 1: They fear Bosa. They fear everything about him and what
Speaker 1: he's doing. You know what I'm saying. And who came
Speaker 1: up with the first really good game playing and neutralizing
Speaker 1: this year, Philly, Philly man. They slowed him down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there you go. By the way, Jerry Jones that
Speaker 1: he was, he thought Dak was outstanding against Jacksonville. I
Speaker 1: say the first half he was like first half. I
Speaker 1: thought Dak played some of the best football all year long.
Speaker 1: He was extremely efficient. You saw the dimes he was
Speaker 1: dropping out there towards that second half. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know the interceptions were there, but it just felt he
Speaker 1: was pressing a little bit. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: he would feel that way when you're up, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty seven to ten, But I felt like he was
Speaker 1: pressing a little bit out there. And I couldn't be
Speaker 1: completely wrong with this. I mean both interceptions he got
Speaker 1: hit in the back for the overthrow and then the
Speaker 1: one he placed it perfectly to Noah Brown who popped
Speaker 1: it up in the air. So I could be wrong
Speaker 1: with that, but that that second half, I don't know
Speaker 1: that connection between those receivers. He just didn't seem like
Speaker 1: the same guy that we saw in the first half.
Speaker 1: Jerry's quote outstanding. We can win with him playing like that.
Speaker 1: He wasn't playing against chopped liver out there. Sons of
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones had to say about this quarterback. There's two
Speaker 1: things about every quarterback that you look for, and that's
Speaker 1: accuracy and decision making. That's just it. The third intangient
Speaker 1: maybe leadership, you know, but accuracy and decision making. And
Speaker 1: I think we talk about Dak in his beginning of
Speaker 1: his career about him being a great decision maker. The
Speaker 1: accuracy hadn't always been that. He had to work on
Speaker 1: his game, just like Jalen Hurst has worked on his game.
Speaker 1: And that throw that he made against Houston on that
Speaker 1: out route to Noah Brown his first year in the league.
Speaker 1: He couldn't make that throw to save his life. But
Speaker 1: that just shows how much time he's put into it
Speaker 1: to better his game. Right now. It look, I can't
Speaker 1: talk about the haters. I won't address the haters, but
Speaker 1: I think what Jerry's if he wasn't wrong, because if
Speaker 1: you have a better effort from your defense and you're
Speaker 1: able to maintain that lead, you win that game. You
Speaker 1: walk out of there and you say, hey, look man,
Speaker 1: we dodged some bullets. We already know interceptions. You don't
Speaker 1: want him, but it's a part of the game. Balls
Speaker 1: get dep It's gonna happen, all right. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, Dak has to be better in
Speaker 1: the second half. He has to be aware in that situation.
Speaker 1: That's that's why they're talking so cerebral. He's so smart.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys you know, because he's like, look,
Speaker 1: what do you want us to throw this long path?
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no, I'm gonna turn around. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kill kill. I know that's what oh man, Because there
Speaker 1: are there are those times where you recognize that you
Speaker 1: need your quarterback to do that one thing, to make
Speaker 1: that one play, and he's just not seen in that lens.
Speaker 1: People are refusing to see him that way because he
Speaker 1: hadn't done it yet. And that's the only thing that's
Speaker 1: lacking in this game. Man, He's got to be that
Speaker 1: people don't even care about how he played in the
Speaker 1: first half. They're not even talking about the first ass true,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson needs to have this quote. It's not about
Speaker 1: the place you make, it's about the mistakes you don't make.
Speaker 1: And and unfortunately for Dak we look at those two
Speaker 1: two overtime lost a Green Bay and and uh Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: The interceptions that he's suffered we can debate about, you know,
Speaker 1: players in the wrong places bought all that, but the
Speaker 1: bottom line is all of those interceptions led to touchdowns
Speaker 1: by the other team that basically, you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: hit help to help the other team out. And I
Speaker 1: said before, they're not good enough to do that. And
Speaker 1: so the challenge against Philadelphia is, you know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of ways where you look at whether the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are not playing up to part Philadelphia's playing a
Speaker 1: little bit better and so we'll see what they can do.
Speaker 1: Gardner minshew, I expect him to start. I do expect
Speaker 1: them to start. And I wanted to ask the question though,
Speaker 1: as a defensive guys are safety now that Jaylor Hurst
Speaker 1: is out, that whole element of having that running quarterback
Speaker 1: is gone now, so your weekly preparation changes because now
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have to spy. You're not gonna have
Speaker 1: to take this guy and relegate him to just spy
Speaker 1: in the quarterback? How did mean for you as if
Speaker 1: you're doing that film study, are you saying to yourself
Speaker 1: I like this, Are you saying, oh, hell, you know,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be I hated it, really, because when
Speaker 1: you're gonna come to that film, that's whole. That's whole,
Speaker 1: You're your whole preparation, all right. This guy loves to
Speaker 1: go here, This guy loves to do this on third down.
Speaker 1: This is this is just how they're rolling with it.
Speaker 1: When you get a new guy out there, you don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of film on them, you know, you don't,
Speaker 1: You don't lo you don't know his tendencies, You don't
Speaker 1: know his strengths and weaknesses, and that can come back
Speaker 1: to bite you in the button. Look at the guy
Speaker 1: was his ain't purdy out there in San Francisco. They
Speaker 1: didn't have the tape on him. That guy went out
Speaker 1: there and lit things up. You know, that's the defense
Speaker 1: preparing for one guy and you see a completely other
Speaker 1: guy that you have no tape on. So you don't
Speaker 1: know what this guy can do, strengths and weaknesses, where
Speaker 1: he likes to go with the ball. Is he a
Speaker 1: gun slinger? Is this a guy that's just gonna take
Speaker 1: what the defense gives him. You go out there and
Speaker 1: kind of raw in that regard. So I hated not
Speaker 1: having the film because that's that's my game was predicated.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the fastest guy out there, wasn't a you know,
Speaker 1: the strongest, but I was a big film study guy,
Speaker 1: and I always in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 1: So when you got a guy that you don't have
Speaker 1: any film study on, you're kind of guessing. You're kind
Speaker 1: of guessing at least to the first two quarters. All right,
Speaker 1: when the third quarter come around, all right, this is
Speaker 1: what this guy loves to do. He loves to takes
Speaker 1: shots in this down and distance. But those first two quarters,
Speaker 1: those first scripted downs, you're kind of guessing, we don't
Speaker 1: have any film on the guy. Cowboys are not lost
Speaker 1: back to back games all year long. Only two teams
Speaker 1: in the league or can say that, that would be
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the Eagles. They're going to run the
Speaker 1: ball because we know this heavy dose know this. You
Speaker 1: know they're going to run the ball because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are They're deficient in that area right now. So, um,
Speaker 1: but they are favorite Vegas just got the Cowboys. You know,
Speaker 1: they build a lot of nice buildings Las Vegas. They
Speaker 1: do it for a reason. But now in the tailpipe
Speaker 1: right here, they know something. They know something here. So
Speaker 1: in the line went up, which tells you they know
Speaker 1: something here. Um, and just I just think that this
Speaker 1: this is it's got to be a pride factor that
Speaker 1: comes out of the Cowboys here. It has to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is We saw it after the Green
Speaker 1: Bay game. You know, we saw it after the Green
Speaker 1: Bay game with the Minnesota played a good football game.
Speaker 1: So let's see what they do here. But they know
Speaker 1: they've got things to work on they've acknowledged it. And
Speaker 1: the beauty is, you know, first time getting better than
Speaker 1: admit admit where the problem is. They've admit where the
Speaker 1: problem is. And we'll see, we'll talk about it tomorrow
Speaker 1: and we'll get more into t Y Hilton. I think
Speaker 1: he's gotta play this, so he's gotta play this week.
Speaker 1: So we'll dive more into that with heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: Barry Church, Danny McCray. The day off, he'll be off tomorrow's.
Speaker 1: He's out there working with the kids at and T City.
Speaker 1: I'm new, he scrugs. This is the play as line
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