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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday, Happy Wednesday Wednesday, And to those of you

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Speaker 1: who drank happy motherfucking hump Day, I hope you got

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Speaker 1: lit for me. There you go, because it's been one

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Speaker 1: hell of a week so far. Randall knows why.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it has been a week. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: I mean Monday we shot the main titles for vander

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Speaker 1: Pump Roules correction you and well hold up? Not really.

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Speaker 1: So Randall had asked me if it was a cool

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Speaker 1: idea if he did main titles. Now keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like correct, and then you came to me

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Speaker 1: I originally thought it was like they were going to

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Speaker 3: Opening credits, which we said, no, that.

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Speaker 1: Cannot happen. But come to find out, it was like

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Speaker 1: just the main shot, like the group shot where it's

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Speaker 1: like vander Pump rules.

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Speaker 2: Here twenty people.

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Speaker 1: Right, so you did it?

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, let's let's go through the process. I

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Speaker 2: else who we talked to thought, oh my god, it'd

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Speaker 2: So I got the courage up to accept the kind invitation. Correct,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what it really meant because I've never

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Speaker 1: No, it was like a set.

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Speaker 2: It was like a set totally. There were there were

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Speaker 2: We have we didn't sell people, but we have Mike Burns,

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Speaker 1: Movie Out of Death. Yes, and but he's looking like

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Speaker 1: All the people that are creating the main titles are geniuses,

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Speaker 1: Maybe my dad and not my grandfather. Definitely you could be.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it was really neat to be part of it.

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Speaker 2: I really never thought if they asked me, did you

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Speaker 2: the air for nine years. That is a huge accomplishment

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. There was a time that Randall

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Speaker 1: It, right, well, I can only be a girl in

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Speaker 1: Bravo. kN has officially been canceled for twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one, which is crazy, I.

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Speaker 1: New York for Bravo Con, I need to save that shit.

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Speaker 1: Bravo for keeping us all safe.

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Speaker 2: say is that obviously Bravo Con is such a big

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Speaker 2: and clearly we can't have that right now with COVID

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Speaker 2: So let's bring it out. Mike Burns, Mike, Mike, welcome,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, Hey, that was my story. Was a hard

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Speaker 2: Okay, So so Mike, so let's talk about a couple

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Speaker 5: Well, it started when you crashed my fourth grade birthday party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the truth is I did not intentionally not

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Speaker 2: That's understanding.

442
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Speaker 1: You don't like being told what to do.

443
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Speaker 2: That's why he's a director. That's why he's a director.

444
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 1: Oh so he holds all. Yeah, he Well, speaking of

445
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:10,720
Speaker 1: being a director, you made your directorial debut with the

446
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 1: film Out of Death that I was in Lucky You

447
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:15,479
Speaker 1: let's talk.

448
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 2: Let's let's pause there. So Lala was six months pregnant,

449
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: five five months pregnant when she left to Puerto Rico

450
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,479
Speaker 2: to do a movie. And now here's the thing. The

451
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Speaker 2: movie had it started on time and wrapped on time,

452
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,880
Speaker 2: not due to a COVID event. You would have been

453
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Speaker 2: in and out in just a couple of weeks, right,

454
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Speaker 2: But because it got shut down for COVID.

455
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Speaker 1: Was there for a month, for freaking months.

456
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Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I'm at home, I'm working in

457
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Speaker 2: the office, you know, getting ready for the next movie.

458
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm preparing, and Lala is calling me in isolation in

459
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Speaker 2: her hotel room. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's

460
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: not funny. It's serious at.

461
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: The time, right, but now looking back, everyone's healthy and safe.

462
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: We can laugh about it.

463
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Speaker 2: Yes, and by the way, were false positives, so it

464
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 2: wasn't even it wasn't even a real COVID event in

465
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Speaker 2: this particular situation. But Laala's calling me saying, I'm gonna

466
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Speaker 2: get out a fucking plane.

467
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm aborting this mission.

468
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 3: Okay.

469
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Speaker 1: So the film starts, well.

470
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Speaker 5: You know what happened was is that this movie was

471
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Speaker 5: supposed to go in April. Yes, and that's you were

472
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Speaker 5: like one month pregnant or something like that at that point. Yeah,

473
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 5: you weren't even pregnant, Juni.

474
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Speaker 2: You found out.

475
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Speaker 1: We found out we were pregnant July. So if it

476
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Speaker 1: was supposed to go in the April.

477
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Speaker 2: You weren't pregnant. That's right now, I wasn't, okay, So

478
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of push start dates. There were

479
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 2: a lot of issues COVID related events.

480
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Speaker 1: You know that they treat false positives the same as

481
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Speaker 1: a positive. They don't care if it comes back right.

482
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: So we get we get a false positive, we have

483
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Speaker 2: to shut the movie down, and we have to retest,

484
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 2: and we have to trace and do all these things.

485
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: And in the end, nobody had COVID in this in

486
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: this situation, but it's still pushed the movie back two weeks.

487
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 2: So now Lala gets on set. This is the part

488
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Speaker 2: I like to hear it.

489
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Speaker 1: So as I'm waiting, I'm becoming progressively more hormonially angry.

490
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Speaker 2: Tell pregnant.

491
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Speaker 1: Tell us from your perspective.

492
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Speaker 2: Tell us from your perspective, how well I was on

493
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Speaker 2: some days, on hers especially.

494
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Speaker 1: I don't want you to hold back.

495
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is going to be good, because I

496
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: haven't even heard this.

497
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Speaker 5: No, I mean we were I think we had. We

498
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Speaker 5: had a couple of you know, moments I'd say no, no,

499
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Speaker 5: give us.

500
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Speaker 2: Some specific I want to hear what that means as

501
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Speaker 2: a director, what is a specific moment?

502
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Speaker 5: Well, no, I mean i'd say, you know, we were

503
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Speaker 5: the first one I think was when we were when

504
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Speaker 5: I was trying to get a couple of rehearsals in

505
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Speaker 5: early on. We were trying to block out some stuff.

506
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 5: I was trying to do some blocking and had some

507
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Speaker 5: opinions about doing blocking.

508
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Speaker 2: Give us our opinions. What were they?

509
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Speaker 5: She said, I don't really know why. She said, I

510
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 5: don't know why we're doing blocking right now. I wish

511
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Speaker 5: you'd be doing that on set. I've never had to

512
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Speaker 5: do blocking in front of We.

513
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Speaker 1: Were in a ballroom rehearsal.

514
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Speaker 2: What do you mean.

515
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Speaker 1: I don't think we need to rehearse like that. Put

516
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Speaker 1: me on set, show me from point A to point B,

517
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: and I'll.

518
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 5: Tell you do I'll tell you what. That day, though,

519
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 5: we did get on set and do that scene because

520
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 5: we blocked it. I was like, you know, the guys

521
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 5: know what to do. Remember we're here, here, here, and

522
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Speaker 5: we moved fast.

523
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Speaker 2: So it did we did.

524
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Speaker 5: It did help them.

525
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Speaker 1: By the way, I never would have been like I

526
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Speaker 1: would have never had I not been so angry and hormonal,

527
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Speaker 1: I would have been like, fuck it, let's do a

528
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Speaker 1: million rehearsals.

529
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Speaker 5: Well, remember you were also in pain. So you were

530
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 5: dealing with the saiata that was it's hard to do

531
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Speaker 5: anything when you're in pain.

532
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Speaker 1: I love that Mic is being so friendly because if

533
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Speaker 1: I were in his place, I would say you were

534
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Speaker 1: a nightmare, and you were.

535
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Speaker 2: First of all, you've done a lot of movies. I

536
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 2: know a lot of the producers you've worked with and

537
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: directors that you've done since, you know, in the last

538
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: five years, and every single director and every single producer

539
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: gives you rave reviews. So I knew that in Mike

540
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Speaker 2: Mike's Smart.

541
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Speaker 5: I was and I was a fancast. I mean I

542
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 5: was already a fan of yours from you know, the

543
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 5: row too. I thought you did a great job. Was

544
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 5: so that was the first time actually seeing you do

545
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 5: a floral lead kind of leading to the thing, and

546
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 5: I thought you were great. So for me, it was

547
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 5: just like, let's just have fun with this, and I

548
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 5: know you're going to do really well. I just, you know,

549
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 5: we just.

550
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: Time because she would call me, You call me and say,

551
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: you know, like I just should be home right now.

552
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: I should be home. She should be home, you know,

553
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 2: nesting and getting ready. But the thing was, you know,

554
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: you're the kind of person in law when you commit

555
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: to something, you never back out. So I know, you

556
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: you know, you're somebody wants to finish and see it

557
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: through and you didn't want to let anybody down. It

558
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 2: was unfortunately the movie got pushed so many times that

559
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: it just ran into your practice.

560
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: Sciatic nerves did not add. But I'm so grateful that

561
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: it was Mike as the director because if it would

562
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: have been someone else, family, it was like family, And

563
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: I felt, really.

564
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Speaker 5: She's a double edged story because then you can kind

565
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 5: of you know, you yell at your brother.

566
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

567
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 5: It's yeah, exactly, it's a little bit of a double

568
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 5: edged story. But I will say that it was hard.

569
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 5: It was she had to do a lot of physical

570
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 5: stuff and should have like lay down on the grass

571
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 5: for you know, in a weird position for potent. She's

572
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 5: dead for like a half an hour while another guy's

573
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 5: doing a scene that she's not even really she's just

574
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 5: in the background. So it was a lot. There was

575
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: a lot of things there that were you know, a

576
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 5: little you know, tricky, and and you know, we you know,

577
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 5: we were just there was a lot of pressure and

578
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 5: I think that you know, you did, you did your

579
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 5: best to keep it together and and I think that,

580
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 5: you know, because you were pregnant, because of you having

581
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 5: the pain, I gave you a hall pass on that one.

582
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that.

583
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 5: And I think still and I still think you crushed it.

584
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 5: I think you did a great job and everybody loves

585
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 5: you in the movie.

586
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: I really like the movie. So now that so Mike

587
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: keeps saying that he wants me to watch it. I

588
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: haven't ever watched a movie that I have been a

589
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: part of. I watched the row.

590
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Speaker 5: We're sitting in the premiere of the movie.

591
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Speaker 1: And then it kind of it kind of ended there.

592
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't enjoy it makes Yeah,

593
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: it makes me very uncomfortable because I critique myself like

594
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: I could have done so much better, and then it's

595
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: not productive. It's not a productive thing.

596
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 5: You couldn't have done any better than you've done this way.

597
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: Okay, let me, let me, let me and it hit

598
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: number six on iTunes, which is great war but who's

599
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: going four?

600
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: Wow?

601
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: See I was number three and number two, But hold on, okay,

602
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: so let's just let's so let's talk about so now

603
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: Mike directly, that's right. So, now Mike directs Out of

604
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: Death and I direct Midnight in the Switchgrass. And here's

605
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: the funny thing. So both of us are I'm fifty,

606
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: he's almost fifty. We both decide to go and direct

607
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: our first features. I do mine and then get shut

608
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: down in the Pandemic and that it takes a long

609
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: time to remount it. You start yours after and when

610
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm in post and I'm actually shooting my next movie

611
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: that I'm directing. And but here's the irony of it all.

612
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: We both grew up with the love of film. We

613
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: both are passionate filmmakers. We both waited decades to make

614
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: the decision that we're ready to direct. What are the chances?

615
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: What are the chances? This is? This is the craziest thing.

616
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: Mike brought this up to me, and at first I

617
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: was a whatever, man, that's kind of weird, But then

618
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: I really think about it. What are the chances that

619
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: we both have a movie come out.

620
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Speaker 8: One that started almost almost a year, almost the year

621
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Speaker 8: before mine because it gets ship down down, and then

622
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 8: his he did nine months later, whatever, And then they

623
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Speaker 8: both come out with two different studios within seven days

624
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 8: of each other. I'll and we're in the top ten together,

625
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 8: and then we're competing for the spots.

626
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Speaker 1: Chances are very low.

627
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: It's one in a trillion, very low.

628
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: It's almost near and possible. And then here's the crazy part.

629
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Speaker 2: I remember when we're both at night Sunes. My movie

630
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: came out on Friday. He was already creeping up to

631
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: the top five and he was in at four at

632
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: this moment, and then I came in at like number eight,

633
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: and when we first launched, and then he starts dropping

634
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: down because he's already been out and open. He's starting

635
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: to go and.

636
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 5: Then I'm getting the daily the minute by minute update.

637
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 5: I'm coming up for you.

638
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, from eight, and I go to six and then

639
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: he goes to five and go, I'm close, but I

640
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: don't know if we're ever going to get there because

641
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: I have no idea. And then he hits six and

642
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: I go to five and I go screenshot right on

643
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Speaker 2: the ends Instagram. Best friends.

644
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: We made movies that get You're so course.

645
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: He waited until he got the five spot and I

646
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 5: was down at six.

647
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: That's your Randall Mills, and.

648
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 5: He goes, it's crazy when your best friend is number

649
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 5: six and your number five and the iTunes charts.

650
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: You know, what's crazy.

651
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: I gave you a shoutout.

652
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Oh a shout out.

653
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give me a shout out. But then I got

654
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: to three and I was really excited. But here's the thing.

655
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: I joke around with the competition, But the truth is,

656
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: we both started movies together. We both loved film, and

657
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: we both waited that diverged in our past to do.

658
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 5: You produced, it was acting, and you know, and you

659
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 5: were actually maybe considering directing when you went to film school.

660
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I never want anything to do with

661
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: directing until I was up until I until I was

662
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: maybe ten years ago, I started thinking about it. I

663
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Speaker 2: just never thought I would ever me too.

664
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Speaker 1: I have a question for both of you now that

665
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: you have both directed. Mike, what do you feel was

666
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: one thing that you thought directing would to be like

667
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: that kind of shocked you that it wasn't that way.

668
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 5: What was the unexpected aspect of directing?

669
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Yep?

670
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: I think you know, I think a lot of directing

671
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 5: that they don't teach you is you know how to

672
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 5: how to deal with people and how to how to

673
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 5: try to make sure that you're protecting your vision but

674
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: also respecting other people's artistic uh you know, freedom really

675
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: so they can really kind of do what they do.

676
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 5: I think I think when we were doing our when

677
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: we were doing our stuff, and you know, I went,

678
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: I came into it with this like really sharp vision

679
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 5: of what I wanted, which I think is good. But

680
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: then you've got to kind of throw it away and

681
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: let people do what they do. And then later on

682
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: in the post production process, you're like you watch stuff

683
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, okay, that kind of worked and

684
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: and that was really cool. So I think that yeah,

685
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 5: just being able to work with different personalities and different

686
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: and different people who didn't need different things, right. They

687
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 5: think every every actor is a little bit different. Some

688
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 5: actors really want to be told what to do and

689
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 5: where to be and how to do and and other

690
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 5: people are kind of the opposite. And there's just a

691
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: lot of like different ways that methods that people use

692
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 5: to be able to do their thing. And and I

693
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 5: you know, you don't know that until you go in

694
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: and start and start working.

695
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: With people teaching that and correct me if this wasn't

696
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: how it really was. But you know, you're kind of,

697
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, the head of the entire production. So it's

698
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: not even just the actors that you have to worry

699
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: about and their you know, creative mindset and like you said, freedom,

700
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: but you have other people on set that you're also

701
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: in charge of. Was that kind of a shock that

702
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: it was like, Wow, I'm really running this entire show?

703
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: It was crazy.

704
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 5: Actually have a video of myself that I did a

705
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 5: little video diary, and I'm like, I have this is

706
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: I'm sneaking away right now because I haven't had like

707
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: five minutes to be able to just without somebody running

708
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: up and sing a question. I said, I guarantee you

709
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: in the next five seconds, somebody calls my name and

710
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 5: I literally five seconds later Mike, Where's Mike?

711
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Where's Mike?

712
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: Right?

713
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 5: So that was new to me and having that, you know,

714
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 5: and having to I mean you you're used to that,

715
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 5: because I'm sure it's just NonStop.

716
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it was a completely

717
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: different experience for you.

718
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: Right from what you said, I think that part of

719
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: it wasn't as shocking.

720
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: The Okay, so for you, same question, what was like,

721
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: what was the unexpected for you that you maybe had

722
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: a vision in your head of what directing consisted of,

723
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: and how was it different?

724
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: I think for me. Uh was was just the intensity

725
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: of every minute, you know, Like as a producer, I

726
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: come on and I have to solve big problems, the

727
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: major problems, you know, like oh we're over schedule, where

728
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: we lost the location and actors sick, you know whatever,

729
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: the kind of big picture items, big ticket items, right

730
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: whereas a director you're solving every little little detail. And

731
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: so for me, I just wasn't used to the constant

732
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: every second. And here's the big takeaway. I went into

733
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: directing just with an open mind. Even though I've produced

734
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: over one hundred films and I've been on many sets,

735
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: I went in not expecting anything. I just said, I

736
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: don't know what this is going to be, Like I

737
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: might hate it, I might love it, but I don't know.

738
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: And as you know, Babe, as I told you every

739
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: day I called you, I was so excited about every

740
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: part of it. But I think for me, the part

741
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: that I that I wasn't ready for was as a producer.

742
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: After two hours, if I'm ready to go to the

743
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: hotel and go play pickleball, you can leave. If I

744
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: want to go, if I want to go back to

745
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: LA and see my kids or see you, law, I

746
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: get on the plane and I come, I say on Thursday,

747
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: I'll be home when you're three weeks, five weeks, six

748
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: weeks in, and you're like, I'm fucking tired, and I

749
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: want to go home to my house, and I want

750
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: to you know, I want to go to the hotel.

751
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Not enough.

752
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: So anyway, there was a day where I didn't feel

753
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: well well, I only had a few hours of sleep,

754
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: and I was super fatigued and I was dehydrated, and

755
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: I went on set and you don't have a choice.

756
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: You don't get to let people down when you're in there.

757
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: So I think that you can't say, like today I

758
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: need to sleep in a little.

759
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because every minute counts on a movie set, and

760
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: every dollar means something. And after being a producer for

761
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: so many years, I have such respect for that part

762
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: of it that I wouldn't do that. And I remember,

763
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: this is this is the best moment I had as

764
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: a I mean not the best one. This is the

765
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: moment where where the producer produced me for the first

766
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: time in my career. Because I do the producing and

767
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: I produce directors. One of my producers, I was supposed

768
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: to be there at eight o'clock in the morning and

769
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: I gotten up at six not feeling well, and he

770
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: knocks on my door. He comes in and he's like,

771
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: all right, you ready to go? And I was like,

772
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, they're sending somebody in to bring me

773
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: because they know that I told him I don't feel well.

774
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Can We pushed it a couple hours and he's like,

775
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: come on, I got you bagel, I got your orange juice,

776
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: I got you some vitamins, I got you emergency. We're going,

777
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: let's go. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, I

778
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: don't feel I don't feel great. He's like, no, no, it's great.

779
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna go. We're gonna set the shot. Then you

780
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: go on your trailer. You're gonna rest for an hour,

781
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: and then I'm bringing back on set. We're gonna keep going.

782
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, I'm getting produced. It's

783
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: like it's like what I've done right, and you know,

784
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: because you want so It's just like those moments were

785
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: so surreal for me, because that's what I did for

786
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: twenty plus years, you know, with other directors, and so

787
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: I think that was new to me and not having

788
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: that that exit where I could just say I'm tired

789
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: and I want to I've worked, you know, twenty two

790
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: days straight. I haven't had a day off, and I

791
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: want to just go sleep. There's no option for that.

792
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: And so I think for me that that was that

793
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: was something. But then again, the adrenaline and the excitement

794
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: and the high mind as you.

795
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Get on there's nothing like you forget your fatigued.

796
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no magic that when you walk onto

797
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 2: a set and you get to create, for me with

798
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: actors and talk about a scene and they challenge you.

799
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: You know, actors will say, well, why, why why are

800
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: you making this decision? I don't necessarily agree that my

801
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: character would do. And I like that part of it.

802
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: I enjoy being pushed and that and that's a real artist.

803
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: You know, actors who are who are incredible arts, They

804
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: are incredible artists, and they want to be challenged. They

805
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: want to be pushed, they want answers, and if they

806
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: don't believe what you're what you're telling them right, then

807
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: you've got to find a way to convince them that

808
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: that is the right choice for that character. And if not,

809
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: you got to be open to their choice. And does

810
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: it not? Does it does? Sometimes? What they say, you know,

811
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: when they give me ideas. I'm like, I didn't see that.

812
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: You know, I'm open to that. Let's try it that

813
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: way too. So I enjoy that collaborative process. I enjoy

814
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: really really creating, collaborating on an intimate level right on set,

815
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: in the moment, and when the magic works, Mike, I mean,

816
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: I think that there's no bigger high for me. You

817
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: know that that's it. That's where I found that level,

818
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: reminding me when I first started producing films. You know,

819
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: it's all brand new.

820
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: And yeah and all that.

821
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, I like, let's throw this back

822
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 5: to you now.

823
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: A quick break before we go to along.

824
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: I've never directed anything.

825
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: You direct me every day. Okay, all right, We're gonna

826
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: take quick break and then and then you can interview

827
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: the law. We'll be right back.

828
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: We are back. I really loved hearing your guys' little

829
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: story of how you came to be and about you

830
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: guys being.

831
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 5: The odds of us being friends for this long and

832
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: working together for this long. How many people do you

833
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 5: know that have been friends and working together six thirty something?

834
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: Three of my best friends I've known for.

835
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: Not thirty five years, thirty five So no, but I

836
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: in the same field, same field. We've been working together

837
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: for two decades.

838
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: No, it's amazing, it's amazing. It's very sweet. And you know,

839
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. I know both of you,

840
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: and neither of you are super easy to deal with.

841
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: So the fact that you I.

842
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: Am a cakewalk, I resent that.

843
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying yeah, no, I wouldn't be able to

844
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: say it cool.

845
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 5: So I'm going to throw you something at you because

846
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: I just want to know in terms of because I

847
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: mean you you do your character. I guess I don't

848
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: know if it's I'm not a big reality show person,

849
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 5: so I don't watch the shows and I don't watch

850
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 5: the show, but I know that Randy was a huge

851
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: fan of vander Pump forever, and I know that you

852
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: are amazing in it and everybody loves you. What's the

853
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: Is it a persona or is it you? Or what's

854
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 5: the deal there?

855
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I love that question because a lot of people do

856
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: think like you. This has to be scripted because no

857
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: one in their right frame of mind would act this way.

858
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: I think the difference between being on this show there's.

859
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 5: Like versus acting.

860
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: There's right acting. You know, you hand me a script

861
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: and I get to be very creative with it and spendah.

862
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Of course I go to a coach, but when I

863
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: step onto Vanner pump rules and I'm being myself. You know,

864
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: the only difficult part is you don't get to say

865
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: this isn't the right time or place, you know, because

866
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: that's what we do. We feel all of our feelings

867
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: and we express them. So there's no gray area you're

868
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: black or you're white. And that it's so crazy because

869
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: my mom always told me as a child, like, please

870
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: find the gray area in life. I was always very intense.

871
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: It was always one way or another and it couldn't

872
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: be in between. And who knew that that would make

873
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: a reality TV personality.

874
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 6: You know.

875
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: It's like if I am feeling it and thinking it,

876
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: then I say it, and sometimes it's you.

877
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: It's yeah, and apparently it works.

878
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: Listen when I want when I see you, because I

879
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: now sometimes around while you're filming, you know, nothing changes.

880
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are who you are. I know

881
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: you guys. Why the camera's rolling, I know you guys

882
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: when we're on vacation. It is who you guys are.

883
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Nothing is different. The only thing that that happens is

884
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: you guys are confronting and dealing with your inner friendships

885
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: right there in the world gets to watched.

886
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 5: But I mean, imagine it's harder doing what you do

887
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: than being on a screen, you know, acting, where you

888
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 5: get to just jump out and be anybody. I mean,

889
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 5: you have to be vulnerable, and I mean you're you're

890
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 5: on You're on the show now too, So I mean,

891
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 5: what does it feel like when you're.

892
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: Just, oh, well, for me, it's never going to be

893
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: it's for her. It's amazing when sometimes I sit there,

894
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: we joke about it while and I like, I'll be

895
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 2: sitting at a dinner table why they're filming, and they're

896
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: having like these conversations or these intense conversations, and I

897
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: feel like I'm sitting on my couch watching the show

898
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: because I'm never going to be comfortable with the camera

899
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: pointed at me. It's not real.

900
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: You're behind the scenes guy, You're never going to feel

901
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: comfortable about opening up.

902
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: It's not it's not my thing. I respect that, but

903
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: but but watching them, it's like they don't even know

904
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: the cameras are there. They are just themselves, whether they

905
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: are getting along or not getting along. And that's why

906
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: I say, like to do what they do and be

907
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: who they really are. They're the real selves. They're not

908
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: when the cameras start rolling you would think like, oh,

909
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: they're gonna put on a show. Now it's like I'm

910
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: sitting there watching they are exactly.

911
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Just organically happens. And the thing is with this group.

912
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: Is and they are friends. You get the other thing

913
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: I want to say, Mike, that that most people don't know,

914
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry to cut you off. The thing that

915
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: people don't know is this group they are really friends.

916
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: I've met Laala, you know, years and years ago, and

917
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: I've known every one of these people that are on

918
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: the show from the day I met you Loss. I mean,

919
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: they've been in your life. Yeah, whether they're whether the

920
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: cameras are rolling or they're vacationing with no cameras. They

921
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: are true friends. This group, you know.

922
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are times where we have drama and

923
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, when vander Palms love to catch this

924
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: right now, you know, like it just it never changes.

925
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: But it's almost like the ultimate therapy because you're constantly

926
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: spewing your feelings and at the end of the day,

927
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: you sometimes they we make each other better and other

928
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: times we come to the understanding where it's like we're

929
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: going to disagree on this, and is it going to

930
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: end a friendship or do we just like own that

931
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: to who this person is, This is who I am,

932
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: and we're gonna move on and just embrace the fact

933
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: that we disagree on this. You know, it's like I

934
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: feel like I have therapy, especially in our interviews.

935
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 5: Do you I mean, if you if you have a

936
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: problem watching yourself in films, do you watch yourself on

937
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 5: this day?

938
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: They have to, They have to think they have to

939
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: because then we go into a reunion where we have

940
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: to talk about all of our behavior and things like that.

941
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 2: So they therefore like it's part they have to watch

942
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: each episode. But are you it's.

943
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 5: Critical of yourself when you watch it, when you watch

944
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: yourself being yourself?

945
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: Or no, I think you're less critical.

946
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm way less critical who you are? Right. It's it's

947
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: like for me doing vander Pump, it's not an I

948
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's an art. You know, like when I

949
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: go and I film a movie, you know, I really

950
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: incubate that character and try to take it on as

951
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: my own. And if I feel like that's going to

952
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: be judged as it not being good enough. I take

953
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: it more personally, I guess because I also feel like

954
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: I let the roll down, whereas like if on TV,

955
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: if someone's judging me, it's like, fuck you, this is me,

956
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: like take it early, own care.

957
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's easier. Like if you're on

958
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: a reality show like you are, people are judging, they're what,

959
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: they're judging who you are as a person. You know

960
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: who you are.

961
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why that's easier for me to digest.

962
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: It's easier for me to digest them coming for me

963
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: as a human rather than them coming for like a

964
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: character what I'm putting on.

965
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: I don't think you could do the job. Like that's why,

966
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: like when people like I don't think you can be

967
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: in the position you're in and be so like by

968
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: a comment you know, shook, as you say, like, I

969
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: think it would be hard to do what you do.

970
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: And I think you guys have to build up a

971
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: certain kind of tolerance for people you know coming for

972
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: you on reality Whereas in a movie you work hard

973
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: and inhibit a role and interpret a role, and then

974
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: you put it out there and then people say, oh, well,

975
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: you didn't do a good job. That's that's hard because

976
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 2: it's like your artistic work.

977
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: Correct.

978
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: So as as a reality star, you're being real, You're

979
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: just being who you are. So I don't think you

980
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: get as shaken.

981
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Now, you know, it's not at all.

982
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 5: Well, I think you did a great job on the

983
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: on the movie. And if you haven't seen Out of Death,

984
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 5: go check it out. It's available on Amazon. Watch La

985
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 5: La because she's is really fun and amazing and there's

986
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 5: you know, there's.

987
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: A lot, a lot of stuff with that role.

988
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm proud of both of you guys. You guys both

989
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: did a great job. And Mike's getting ready to go

990
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: direct another movie in October.

991
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 5: I just signed my contract with Yes Off you go off,

992
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: You go off, you go Thank you, thank you for

993
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 5: the opportunity.

994
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so before we sign off, Mikey, thanks for.

995
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: Joining me, Thanks for having thanks for coming.

996
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: Thanks guys, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

997
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, Mike Burns's Instagram is Mike Burns.

998
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: There you go follow him and check out his latest work.

999
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have a few voicemails that I want

1000
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: to answer. I love voicemails.

1001
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 9: Hi, Lala and Randall, It's Gabby and Erica from New

1002
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 9: Mexico and we love your show, and we our question

1003
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 9: is for Randall, and our question is have you read

1004
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 9: Laala's entire book? You just wanted to know and if

1005
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 9: you sat down and read it, we love you guys.

1006
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: My answer is, by no, I read what Lala wanted

1007
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: to to. I think that was the safest move for me.

1008
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: When Lala was writing the book, I really really respected

1009
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: the fact that she's going to be a first time author.

1010
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: When she came to me and said, I'm going to

1011
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: write a book on myself, on my life, and you know,

1012
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: I was very supportive and I said, is it you know,

1013
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, just you know, I wanted to kind of

1014
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: let her have her moment. I didn't. I felt like

1015
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: if I read it why she was writing it and

1016
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: the drafts that she had, I might, you know, get

1017
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: a little shook. Yeah, I read. I read. She let me.

1018
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: We talked about me reading the one chapter there's one

1019
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: particular chapter and I don't, but there's one chapter I

1020
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: did read, and I really I just said, okay, you know,

1021
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: it's it's your voice, it's your it's your world. And

1022
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: I think one of the things about our relationship that

1023
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: we've always thrived on is we support one another and

1024
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: everything we do, and I definitely support her in this book.

1025
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Are there things in the book that I would have

1026
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: preferred she maybe left out? Sure? I mean, I definitely

1027
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: don't think toothbrushes are necessary in the book.

1028
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: So can I chime in on that real quick? Because

1029
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: that was a big headline I've spoken about a lot,

1030
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: especially in the show, and I'm going to say this

1031
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: without getting emotional. The reason I chose to put things

1032
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: like that in the book are because you know, I

1033
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: was really struggling with addiction, and there were people when

1034
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: I said that I came out as an alcoholic that

1035
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: really looked at me like why, I don't get it.

1036
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: And it was important for me to show the behavior

1037
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: that I would display and things that I would do

1038
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: when I was drinking. So even though it made for

1039
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: an entertaining headline, it made for an entertaining story in

1040
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: the book. It went way beyond that. Yeah, it was

1041
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: like this, these are the things that I'm mortified about

1042
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: that I would do when I would drink. Sorry, so

1043
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: it's okay, I love you.

1044
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a dark time, you know,

1045
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: it was a dark time, and you know, life's not

1046
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: always what it's supposed to be, you know, you know,

1047
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean people don't know all the details, but you

1048
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: you know, you struggle with addiction and then your father

1049
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: passed away and then you know dark. So I'm very

1050
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: proud of you at who you are today. And yeah,

1051
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think when I think, for me,

1052
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: the best thing was just to support whatever you put

1053
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: out because it was your words, your voice, and I

1054
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: know I know behind what all that, why you were

1055
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: trying to share that stuff. You know. Unfortunately, people and

1056
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: headlines want things to you know, ay.

1057
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: One, what's interesting to click on? How many people can

1058
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: we get to read what I've just written? So I respect,

1059
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: I respect the hustle and the game, right, but it

1060
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: is important for me to tell you and everyone else

1061
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: that that wasn't just so that it would make a

1062
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: funny headline. This was a real life sickness that I'm

1063
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: still battling every day. It will never be cured, and

1064
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: it's important for me to be a sober human being.

1065
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Because I pulled some stupid shit.

1066
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: There we go, Yeah, and you know what, that's that's life.

1067
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, so I think

1068
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't read the book, but I read

1069
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: things that Lallan wanted me to read, and that's.

1070
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: That's kind of where it was published. Because I wasn't anything.

1071
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: I like this next question.

1072
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 9: Hi, Lala and Randall.

1073
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 6: My name is Lauren. I live in the New York area.

1074
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 6: I am a huge fan. You guys are killing it.

1075
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask the question regarding relationships. I've been

1076
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 6: with my fiance now for ten years. We started dating

1077
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 6: freshman year of college and throughout the pandemic. One thing

1078
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 6: that we've really been working on is how to fight.

1079
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 6: All couples are going to fight that eventually, you know,

1080
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 6: you have to learn to fight the right way for you,

1081
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 6: for your partner, and how everybody communicates differently. So was

1082
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 6: wondering what you both would say your biggest tip for

1083
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 6: couples would be regarding communication and regarding what you've learned

1084
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: in terms of how what is the best way to

1085
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 6: fight like all couples do. So keep up the great world.

1086
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 6: So happy for you both for all the changes this

1087
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 6: year and wishing you all the best things.

1088
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: Who the second I like heard this boy smile, I

1089
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even think I know the answer,

1090
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: But that's like such a great question.

1091
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think that even you know, we've been

1092
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: together a long time now, I think, or not a

1093
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: long time, but we've been together a decent amount of time.

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00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: I think it's communication is constantly evolving. It's like that

1095
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: you also, you always have to be kind of evolving.

1096
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: And when when when the communication is breaking down between

1097
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, a couple, you have to kind of work

1098
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: on that. You have to say, Okay, what can I

1099
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: do to you know, be heard the right way? You know?

1100
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: And same with you. You know, you'll say to me, I

1101
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: need to be heard, and then I have to figure out,

1102
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: you know, you have to figure out a way to

1103
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: have that conversation with me, and vice versa. So I

1104
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: think that my my my only advice for people is

1105
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: you have to really have patience lots of patients and

1106
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: you have to you know, you have to be willing

1107
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 2: to put the work in, you know. And I think

1108
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: that I think the easy answer sometimes is you know,

1109
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: oh you know, it's just not working and fuck it, right,

1110
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: you know, right, that's what we do is human beings.

1111
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing as well for couples is

1112
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: to not shove things under the rug because then a

1113
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: blow up happens, and there's so much that's you know,

1114
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: been pushed aside that you don't even know the root

1115
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: of the problem anymore. And I still think Randall and

1116
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: I are figuring out how to argue with each other

1117
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: and how to hear each other correctly, because we are

1118
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: both the type of people to the second that there's

1119
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, we're feeling like the other one is attacking,

1120
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: the wall goes up and that person immediately becomes the opponent, right,

1121
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: And that's a difficult pattern to break. And I think

1122
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: because you and I are like any other couple in

1123
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: the world, where you hit walls sometimes, like relations, That's

1124
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1125
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 2: And my parents have been.

1126
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Together a lot of work. So the person you're with,

1127
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: you have to be willing to say, I'm going to

1128
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: fight through everything to make this work.

1129
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: Well, Like my parents have been together fifty years, and

1130
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: I take my hat off to both them and your

1131
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: parents were together for how many years? Twenty thirty, thirty?

1132
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: No, they were approaching their forty forty Yeah.

1133
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: Right, okay, when you're father best way, so a long time. So,

1134
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: and you know, one thing I take away from them

1135
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: always is you will hit walls in your relationship, whether

1136
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: you've been together one year, five years, ten years, forty years.

1137
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: But the thing is how you deal with it and

1138
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: how you try to communicate and change the communication. Like

1139
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: when you and I feel like we're not communicating, you know,

1140
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: or there are things, you know, bothering me or bothering you,

1141
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: we have to have that talk. And I think a

1142
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: lot of couples don't want to have that talk, and

1143
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: that talk isn't always comfortable.

1144
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: I would say that are the biggest thing that we've practiced.

1145
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: I would give this advice to anybody, is for you

1146
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: and your partner to come up with a safe word,

1147
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: because in the heat of the moment, you're not thinking

1148
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: and you're only feeling. So it's once you feel like, okay,

1149
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm in this state of mind where I just want

1150
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: to attack or I don't want to hear what my

1151
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: partner is saying, you drop the safe word. You both

1152
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: allow yourselves to quiet timeout. It's the timeout.

1153
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, we don't have it figured

1154
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: out and we're not experts, you know. But at the

1155
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: same time, I feel like at the end of the day,

1156
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: you just like I think that general consensus, because we're

1157
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: not experts on this topic by any means. I think

1158
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: you constantly have to evolve, and when you're hitting walls

1159
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: and things are not going the way you'd like them

1160
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: to go, because sometimes they're not going well for both

1161
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: of you, and sometimes they're not going well for one person.

1162
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes one person struggling more than the other,

1163
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: et cetera. So I just think you got to you

1164
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: got to figure out a way to talk to each

1165
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: other and be heard and in a way in a

1166
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: way that your partner doesn't feel attacked.

1167
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: It's so much easier said than done. I mean, perspective

1168
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: is a real bitch, because it's like the one thing

1169
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: that I sit here and I'm like, God, if we

1170
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: all just see the world so differently.

1171
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not listen, we we uh, you know,

1172
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: we we do the work and and and we're always

1173
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: doing the work. And some months it's super smooth sailing,

1174
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: some years super smooth sailing, and summer are more difficult.

1175
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you just got

1176
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: to keep talking.

1177
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they've been together ten years, like

1178
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: their rider die for each other.

1179
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, I think at the end

1180
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: of the day. You just gotta you gotta figure out

1181
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: a way to communicate.

1182
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: We love saying at the end of the day.

1183
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I'm going to end.

1184
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: This post.

1185
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Should be called the End of the Day podcast.

1186
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: That's my next podcast. That's the spin off of this podcast.

1187
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I love it.

1188
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: End of the Day. Anyway, that was a really good question.

1189
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: I like that mquestion just because it's nice to see

1190
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: people who have been together a day kid, who you.

1191
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Know, still are trying to figure it out, just like

1192
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: we all are.

1193
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: But my parents, my parents too, and I and I

1194
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: even remember having conversations with your dad. My parents, you know,

1195
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: are together now fifty years and yeah, they have days

1196
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: where they're just like, I go, how's how's my dad doing?

1197
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: Not talking? Well, it's been fifty fucking years. What are

1198
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 2: you talking about? He doesn't deserve it today I cut

1199
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: pasta and the pasta it's not all about the pasta.

1200
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: But but he didn't say it with al dente enough,

1201
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, is this for real? These guys were

1202
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: fifty fucking years together, but that's you know, that's the

1203
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: same ship. And I remember talking. I used to go

1204
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: to your dad for advice about you, and it's like, oh,

1205
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: these two women, you know, you know, Lisa and you.

1206
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: He's like, sometimes you just got just let it, just

1207
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: let it, let it go, just let him roll. And

1208
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: I was like, that's your advice.

1209
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 5: Ken.

1210
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it's like okay, and by.

1211
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: The way, me and my mom to just tire ourselves out.

1212
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: But that's but that's what he was. That's what Ken

1213
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: used to try to tell me. But it was so new,

1214
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: it was like three months in and I'd be like, Kent,

1215
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: that's not the fucking advice I was looking for. It's

1216
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: like you'll learn, you'll learn, you have Yeah, No, I

1217
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: just quit. I just quit the fight. I just just like, Okay,

1218
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: you win. It's it's too exhausting.

1219
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: I take it. Anyway, those were epic voicemails. I'm happy

1220
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: about it. Remember you guys can call in, leave us

1221
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: a voicemail. We'll answer your questions. Just dial one eight

1222
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: six six Laala Pod. This was fun.

1223
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Speaker 2: This was fun. Well, thank Mike Burns for being on here,

1224
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: and of course I thank you Lala Kent for being

1225
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 2: a great co.

1226
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: Host, and I thank you for being the with Randall

1227
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: to my give them Laala Thank you guys.

1228
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: For listening to fucking Ego fucking mania cool.

1229
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,480
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1230
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning into another episode of Give Them

1231
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Lala with Randall and we will catch you next week.

1232
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Lala, I love you so much. This

1233
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,759
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00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,560
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1235
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm just really happy for you and Randall for your

1236
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 4: new baby, Ocean. She's gorgeous. You're doing great as a

1237
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: new mommy, and can't wait to see you on the

1238
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: show here soon. Hope all is well, and keep doing

1239
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 4: what you're doing. You're killing it girl.

1240
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1241
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1242
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