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Speaker 1: First of all, we appreciate you coming on the show

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Speaker 1: and rocking with us. Remember a bunch of wars we

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Speaker 1: had with you doing our playing days. Man always been

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Speaker 1: a fan of yours and we just appreciate you bro

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Speaker 1: for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, thank you guys for having me here. Always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure since the beginning when the young boy from

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Speaker 2: Russia joined the league and see two starts and the

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Speaker 2: Clippers just throwing the ball to each other, dunking and

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Speaker 2: doing the knucklehasse.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing experience.

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Speaker 1: Yes, when you first got your lead, who's the first

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Speaker 1: person you feel like bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: This Shaun Stevenson was a practice oh DC. He was

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Speaker 2: like explosive, great defensively, he was like standing on his feet.

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Speaker 2: I was like I couldn't beat him when we have

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Speaker 2: the one on one really like you dribbled the ball

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Speaker 2: and he always in front of you, like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this is amazing speak and they're like the explosive, Like

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Speaker 2: anytime he got the poll, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Like it's like Vince Carter.

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Speaker 2: You can't get the chance for him to lend his

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Speaker 2: food closer to the rim.

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Speaker 3: You have to like be there otherwise he's going to

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Speaker 3: be posterized. He is a poster right away.

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Speaker 2: And and when playing wise, I think if we're talking

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Speaker 2: about like big players, who was like face of the

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Speaker 2: league that time in the beginning of my career Ellen Houston,

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Speaker 2: Vince Carter then like going a little bit to the middle,

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Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant was the face of the league, and he

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Speaker 2: was the avatar of Michael Jordans. I think he's the

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Speaker 2: closest one who like who got like Mike is like

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Speaker 2: so many similarities, so many like the way they played,

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Speaker 2: so many accolytes, the way they moved. Tracy McGrady as well,

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Speaker 2: he was like amazing when he played with the Houston

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Speaker 2: just because we played so many games against the Rockets

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs and they've been in an our division,

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Speaker 2: so we played a lot of games Kobe and t Mac,

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Speaker 2: so you always see them and you always hate to

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Speaker 2: play it against them.

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Speaker 4: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location me and the blackest one is

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Speaker 5: at home right now. But we got a very very

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Speaker 5: special guest man. This is some international flavor. One of

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Speaker 5: the one of ones. He was in our era. He

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Speaker 5: was a defensive nightmare. Nightmare. I still have nightmares about him.

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Speaker 5: One of my toughest matchups man all start, one of

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Speaker 5: the best threes in the game and one of the

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Speaker 5: premier pioneers of the international players. Saint Petersburg, Russia's finest

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Speaker 5: ak forty seven in the building, typing y'allah.

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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't want to

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Speaker 1: pronounce it wrong. Is Russian city when I was born?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's the only place I was born.

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Speaker 2: But I grew up in Saint Petersburg.

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Speaker 4: How old were you when you moved to Saint Petersburg.

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Speaker 2: I always lived in Saint Petersburg, and because my grandma

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Speaker 2: was living in Jevsk, my mom went to deliver me

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Speaker 2: and basically comes back. So I know a little bit

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Speaker 2: about my home city, but my whole life. I grew

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Speaker 2: up in Saint Petersburg. That's where I started my basketball career,

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Speaker 2: and uh, my parents still live there.

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Speaker 3: Not Tampa.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did you play hockey or any other sport before you

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Speaker 1: decided to play basketball or it was always basketball was

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Speaker 1: what she was doing.

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Speaker 2: My family was very like sport active and my dad,

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Speaker 2: he was a soccer coach, and my mom played basketball

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Speaker 2: a little bit. So since the first grade, it was

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Speaker 2: like little fight in the family. My dad was like

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Speaker 2: pushing me, oh, go go play soccer, and my mom like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, you can try basketball and soft force wins.

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Speaker 1: Who did you see coming up that made you want

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Speaker 1: to kind of pursue basketball a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back back in the days, we didn't have much

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Speaker 2: broadcasting with the basketball. The only thing we see is

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Speaker 2: like once a week we have best NBA games on

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Speaker 2: the TV. And like everybody was sitting like this, Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, Michael Jordan, Oh my god, Patrick Ewing, Dennis Rodman. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you look for those guys and you're dreaming about basketball,

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Speaker 2: but you don't really realize it's right here. You can

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Speaker 2: always like a dream. It is another planet. You don't

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Speaker 2: really relay yourself in connection with the NBA. So at

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Speaker 2: that time, Michael Jordan was number one, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we all grew up.

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Speaker 5: I want to be like Mike right exactly were you

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Speaker 5: always tall right away? Or did you hit a grossberg

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Speaker 5: doing when you were younger? Like how did that work

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Speaker 2: I was probably the third in the class size wise.

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Speaker 2: So in my first grade, my first coach came to

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Speaker 2: told to watch it, you know, try basketball, and I

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Speaker 2: was the only one who tried it.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I think the reason I liked it instead of soccer

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Speaker 2: don't score, like it's a zero zero scoring, like you

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Speaker 2: know something's wrong. And in the basketball you're always scoring

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Speaker 2: and so much fun. You have, like satisfaction basically every attack,

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Speaker 2: something's going on. And that's probably the main reason why

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Speaker 2: I fell in love with basketball as a game.

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Speaker 1: What was your thoughts when when the Russian super League

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Speaker 1: asked you at sixteen being the youngest player ever to

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Speaker 1: play in this professional or this top league in Russia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like about a week before sixteen years old,

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Speaker 2: so it was fifteen technically, but at that time, you know,

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Speaker 2: like when you're fifteen years old, the senior team asked me, okay,

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Speaker 2: we want you to join the roster for this game.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be participating, and you feel like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I'm like a high schooler gonna play against

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Speaker 2: the guys who was like thirty thirty five years old,

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Speaker 2: Like my mom was worried. She was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be They're gonna rip you apart. But it

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Speaker 2: was actually not a bad debut. I think I played

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Speaker 2: like five or six minutes. At the end of the game,

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Speaker 2: I scored like four points. It was a very tough ending,

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Speaker 2: so it wasn't like.

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Speaker 3: Up twenty and you're like, oh, you're a young guy,

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Speaker 2: So it was like very very close ending of the game.

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Speaker 2: And I was surprised because I thought, like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna go in and coach like, okay, Andre, go Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I have to go.

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Speaker 4: Do you in a fire?

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Speaker 1: So did they slowly like develop you playing in that

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Speaker 2: I would say opposite, if I've been like thrown in,

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Speaker 4: In right, right, you just learn.

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Speaker 2: You just learn game by game, playing tough situations, tough openings.

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Speaker 3: You just have to adopt.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I didn't have enough, like wait, I

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Speaker 3: But you just overcome it.

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Speaker 5: How was it for you being that you were so young,

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Speaker 5: and like you said, there's people this thirty years old

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Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and you being just a young teenager.

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Speaker 4: How was the difference in age for you being on

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Speaker 2: You can you can feel it you playing against older

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Speaker 2: man because like you can't play Paul stop like because

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Speaker 2: they just like get you out of it. So you

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Speaker 2: have to find find your own basically angle or your

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Speaker 2: learned a major thing that I went through my career.

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Speaker 2: You have to run and you have to run fast.

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Speaker 5: What you're doing, we know you did that, ran and

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Speaker 5: ran fast and damn hard.

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Speaker 2: So in the fourth quarter people like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: they can't just stop. You're like keep running.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So how old were you when y'all won the super

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Speaker 2: I think I was like seventeen or eighteen years old.

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Speaker 2: But I moved from Saint Petersburg to Moscow and I

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Speaker 2: start playing for the major team, So that team who

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Speaker 2: won like twenty five times, so I become a contenderska

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Speaker 2: right exactly, Yes, as a major team in Russia, probably

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Speaker 2: the record breaker and a record holder for many years.

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Speaker 2: And I joined the club from seventeen for three years.

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Speaker 1: So you got drafted when you was eighteen, but you

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Speaker 1: stayed two more years in Moscow.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And the reason for this because when I signed a

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Speaker 2: deal with a Moscow club, it was like a three

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Speaker 2: year deal and I was drafted basically my first year there,

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Speaker 2: so I had to stay like two more years just

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Speaker 2: because I had the contract.

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Speaker 4: Would it have been a big buyout?

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Speaker 2: I don't think at that time it was like a buyouts,

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Speaker 2: Like don't nobody really think about buyouts. But the part

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Speaker 2: of my deal, it was an apartment, which is my

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Speaker 2: parents basically received as a part of the package in

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Speaker 2: Saint Petersburg. So if I break my contract, they will

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Speaker 2: lose the apartment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean at this point I would.

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Speaker 2: Think like, ah, maybe if I come like two years before,

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Speaker 2: I can compensate for this apartment. But back there, you know,

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Speaker 2: like you never thought about like leaving an apartment.

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Speaker 3: You know, like you're getting paid for the.

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Speaker 2: For the job you do. You're young, you're playing in

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Speaker 2: the best team in Russia, so it's kind of win

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the process of even putting your name

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Speaker 1: in a draft, Like even though you're already on the

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Speaker 1: contract in Moscow, but tell us, what was the process

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Speaker 2: So early, back in the day, we didn't really know

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Speaker 2: what's the procedure, like how you get to the NBA,

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Speaker 2: Like who you contact? You know, I like, back in

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Speaker 2: the day, I received like a package from Clemson Tigers.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know who to contact, Like I have

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Speaker 2: no idea, Like I received the package. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: it's nice heldon Campbell the like on the page, it's

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Speaker 2: so good, but I can't I don't speak English. I

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Speaker 2: don't know who to call. Muy nice invitation, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: but you don't know what to.

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Speaker 4: Do with it, trying c Limsing was on the some that.

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Speaker 5: They knew there, Yeah, who was coaching?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So back and there, I didn't know what's the procedure.

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Speaker 2: But when I was like seventeen years old, Mark Fleisher,

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Speaker 2: who was my agent for all of my career, he

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Speaker 2: found me in Moscow. He was like I introduced him

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Speaker 2: to my dad. So we had like a little dinner

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Speaker 2: trying to communicate, and he started to represent me because

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything, like what agent is anyway. So

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Speaker 2: he was the first person who basically said, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: here's the procedure. We started partnership together. I will put

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Speaker 2: your name as fax to the NBA office to the draft,

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Speaker 2: and then there is a chance you're going to be drafted.

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Speaker 2: Because when I was young, like fifteen to seventeen years old,

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Speaker 2: we played a lot of junior World competitions. Like, so

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Speaker 2: I was at the stage where scout know who you are.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, because it's not it's not

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Speaker 2: like right now you have a like a social network,

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Speaker 4: You was familiar with them already.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Dream.

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Speaker 5: It's so you weren't even aware when you got drafted.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 4: I think it was like this.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember you. Oh my god, really.

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Speaker 3: I remember Casey Jacobson.

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Speaker 4: That's the only yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was on that team when Zo on

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 1: My mom, uh my mom didn't want me to go

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Speaker 4: I loved it. We stayed at the village that they

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Speaker 1: We ate McDonald's for two weeks, but we didn't know

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Speaker 4: Hats, them Russian fird hats. Brought back a bunch of

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Speaker 1: So I was wondering, what you on that team because

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Speaker 1: I remember playing y'all in the championship and we wanted

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we pay you guys. In the final and it

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I wanted yeah, I wanted to see that. That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you this.

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Speaker 4: How did all of that go for you?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: As as I said, I had the agent, he was

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, when you left, did you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't speak English at all. Everything I learned,

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Speaker 4: It sound, who was the first person you met.

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Speaker 2: I think a couple of bowl boys was like right,

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Speaker 2: But from the players, I think uh Doniel Marshall and

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Speaker 2: But then everybody like Greg roster, tag Malone, John Stockton

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Speaker 4: Was that overwhelming?

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Speaker 5: It all like because you being an eighteen year old

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Speaker 4: He was a young guy. Yeh, he's a young guy.

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Speaker 1: He was he was my age, So that was another

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was it was surreal, you know, like

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's a different reality. I'm delusiable right now,

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Speaker 2: Like something is going on. But when you start playing basketball,

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Speaker 2: when first time you step on the floor with Michael Jordan's.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I have to touch him.

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Speaker 5: Like that's what that's what's in your mind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're like and then you're like, OK, I got

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Speaker 2: a mark in my biography.

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Speaker 3: My memoirs is full. Now I'm ready.

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Speaker 4: Hey tell me this.

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Speaker 5: Were you already as a basketball and were you forty

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Speaker 5: I remember when I first saw I think you had

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Speaker 5: Like when did that come about for you?

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Speaker 2: Here's the story now, Like when I first came to

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Speaker 2: first summer league I played with number thirteen because it

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Speaker 3: Mom was playing with it.

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Speaker 2: I played the whole summer league and then when we

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Speaker 2: We got picked up. We picked up Jon Amichi.

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Speaker 3: He was a veteran in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a veteran in the league, and you know the priority,

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Speaker 3: A team And.

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Speaker 2: I was like, like, which number are supposed to pick?

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Speaker 2: And at that time, we had a Quincy Lewis and

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Speaker 3: So because he was young.

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Speaker 2: And I'm young, we're kind of hanging out and he

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Speaker 2: said like AK andre Ak that's your initials, and AK

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Speaker 2: forty seven that's like your first famous Russian product. You

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Speaker 2: Like what else I supposed to pick? Like, I have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Quincy Lewis shout out to Lewis Assists.

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Speaker 1: When we first saying that, I thought that was the best,

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Speaker 1: And then your jersey numbers then to see it like

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Speaker 3: It's the same way here.

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Speaker 3: And it's like a little fact. I'm like, oh leaping.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, that's part of the story.

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Speaker 1: Then that's crazy, that's definitely part of the story that

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Speaker 4: So tell us about just Utah.

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Speaker 1: Utah is one of the most beautiful places in the

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Speaker 4: It's a different city.

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Speaker 1: The fan base is one of the best fan bases

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Speaker 1: and how they they come and support. Just tell us

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Speaker 1: about you getting to Utah seeing how beautiful it is.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely real beautiful during the summertime and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Winner be cold down there, well.

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Speaker 3: That's cold as Minnesota or on New York.

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Speaker 2: As you said, the fan base is amazing and they

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Speaker 2: They always very supportive for the home team. What I

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Speaker 2: when when you lose the game, there's a lot of critics.

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Speaker 2: When you win the game, there's a lot of flight

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Speaker 2: but you work hard, you fight hard, They're like, don't worry,

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Speaker 2: there is another game coming. We on your side, and

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Speaker 2: it's a Mormon city, like whatever it is, like you

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Speaker 2: You can always go somewhere like in a shopping mall

444
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: and like an entertainment center you can let the kids

445
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: played because there's a lot of things to do.

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 5: How was it playing for coach Jerry Sloan? Like everybody

447
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: knows he's one of the like grinders. He was known

448
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 5: for his toughness, you know from Chicago, played for the Bulls,

449
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 5: but he was known for his disposition. And then you

450
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 5: you being a young guy, was there ever any times,

451
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 5: like especially early on when you first got there where

452
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 5: we know he did it at some point where coach

453
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 5: Loan is in practice yelling at you and you just

454
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 5: straight up acting like you ain't no English for a second,

455
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 5: Like did you ever find yourself trying to do that

456
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: when he was getting on you or anything like read every.

457
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: Day like three months like uh okay, I don't know

458
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: what you're talking about.

459
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear.

460
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: He was a hard, hard coach. Everything ZZ do at

461
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: that point was a system. You have to be a

462
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: part of the system. You have to be that that

463
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: will cog how you said, like cog like the piece

464
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: of the mechanism on those drills until you're like fell down.

465
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: You know exactly what you're supposed to do.

466
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: The Suddain point when you.

467
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: Play the game. I knew every minute when the substitution

468
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: is coming. And for me, like it was so crazy

469
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: because I was like, man, it's like we're playing different teams,

470
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: different a little different scenario of the game, Like how

471
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: come we have a substitution this.

472
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 3: Particular like you have to change it.

473
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 2: You have to like fix your system, and you know,

474
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: like for the different oponions my way or highway.

475
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 5: What was your thoughts like, because I know this is

476
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: my reason I hated playing against any Utah team. It

477
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 5: didn't matter who was playing I definitely hated it when

478
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 5: you was playing for but it didn't matter, Like when

479
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 5: he introduces in practice, did the wings have to run

480
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 5: as hard as y'all have to run and cross under

481
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 5: the basket and be clapping five while y'all like, how

482
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 5: was that for you? Had you ever done anything like

483
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 5: that before? Seen that done before?

484
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: How like?

485
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 5: How was that when he introduced that to y'all? Because

486
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 5: I hated that as an opponent, because I had that

487
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: made me have to run all the way hard and

488
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 5: cross someday and get to the other corner too, So

489
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 5: how is that for you?

490
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: Believe me, we all hate it.

491
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: We all hate it, but good or bad, it was

492
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: a thing that what gives us a lot of easy

493
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: points just because we create so much tension for the defense.

494
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: They have to you have to run back. Then you

495
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: have to like keep an eye on.

496
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: Two forwards with crossing, so you're losing the point.

497
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: Guard was basically have opportunity to beat his man. If

498
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: you lose your attention, you always have like forwards standing

499
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: right under the rim for the layout.

500
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 3: So it made sense.

501
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: But believe me, practicing this, oh my god, so many

502
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: practices when you're like here, it run through. Run through

503
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: my wife during the night, like okay, you have to stop,

504
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: like you screaming at night, like run through, I don't

505
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: want to hear it. It was like it was like

506
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: right and get it into my brain run through.

507
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: When did you feel that when you was in a

508
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: league that you got to a feel that'd be like

509
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: I can play here, I can play in the NBA.

510
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: Probably after first five six games, even when I started,

511
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: like and played Summer League, and I played well in

512
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: the Summer League, I think I was like in the

513
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: best five.

514
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: I don't know, like it was like a.

515
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: Little award they presented them like preseason camp, and you

516
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: feel like you fit okay, But I still had doubts,

517
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm a young kid who's like twenty

518
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: one years old, just starting his career at the highest

519
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: possible level in the world. Again, as I said, it

520
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: was surreal that you're in the NBA. It's like a

521
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: different planet. You feel like there's gods playing here and

522
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: you're a youngster coming from Russia from the kids basketball basically.

523
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: But after like five six games, I think I found

524
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: the right fit. And thanks to Jerry's loan because he

525
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: was kind of putting I think he was putting me

526
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: in the beginning in the right position like some games

527
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: he was he would give me like twenty twenty five

528
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: minutes in a good time, but not going to start

529
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: in five maybe as a second unit when you play

530
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: against second units, so you kind of adjust a little

531
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: bit more and then like time to time, he was

532
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: like putting me on like Glenn Robinson, like Ray Allen,

533
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Jamal Marshburn, Alan Houston. So I get a feeling for

534
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: like three four minutes. Okay, that's the level real. Yeah,

535
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: then you're playing against second unit, you kind of feels good.

536
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, to have veterans like Hall of famers like John

537
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: Stocked and then called the Malone how easy it was

538
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: you to play with them? Veteran players and what did

539
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: you learn from them? Kind of moving forward in.

540
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: Your they're amazing players.

541
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: And I always like when I have interviews and they

542
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: ask him, like people asking me to describe them. They

543
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: very opposite in what my perception as a leader supposed

544
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: to be. Karl Malone vocal, loud, a leader who always

545
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: been on every inch of the floor telling him like

546
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: we have to do this, Okay, don't give him a.

547
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: Hand, don't you know? Like let him lay down on

548
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: the floor.

549
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: He's not with us. Okay, we have to do this,

550
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: we have to do that, And John stalked him way opposite,

551
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: always quiet, always leading by example. I think at age

552
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: of forty he was leading in all drills that we

553
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: do in a practice. So he was the guy who

554
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: was like coming, doing his job as best as he can,

555
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: leading by example. But at the same time he was

556
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: like quiet, not top much. Okay, guys, let's look at me,

557
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Look at me.

558
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: What are we going to do?

559
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: Right?

560
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: And I think it's like you learn from the best.

561
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: You want to be this way as a leader, or

562
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: you want to be this way as a leader, So

563
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: you can pick your choice.

564
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: I tell me this when you're talking about them too.

565
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 5: And you were a second unit guy, when was the

566
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 5: first time you got caught by John Stockton screen and

567
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 5: a Carl Malone screen separately, because like both of them,

568
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 5: it's impossible to have seen John Stockton screens.

569
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: Hurt as bad. It's gonna Carl Malone screens. Dude.

570
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: He was strong as hell and said crazy hard screens.

571
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: So when did you get hit with those screens? And

572
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 5: they let you.

573
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: Know practices, you got it right away like, oh, oh,

574
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: I got you guys right now, you know how to

575
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: play against the screen, go lower.

576
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to get it.

577
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: When you first heard that you made after being in

578
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: the league two three years, you first heard that you're

579
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: an NBA All Star, what was that feeling like to

580
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: hear that you're a part of the All Star team.

581
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: I think it's the same kind of feeling of something

582
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: is wrong, like something like something.

583
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: Has changed around you.

584
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: Like the same time when I stepped into that practice

585
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: facility and know that you're in the NBA, you get

586
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: this feeling like something is wrong, something is going on now.

587
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Same way when I was named an All Star, even

588
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: though since the beginning of the season, I knew I

589
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: played well. I played tremendous. I've been named like a

590
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: couple of times Player of the Week. I had like

591
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: great games, like feeling stats we played not as bad

592
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: as people thought, And I had that feeling that you

593
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: can't be there because you know, like you can really tell,

594
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: like you have a stats, you have like your team

595
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: is playing okay, so you know you in those best

596
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: like twenty five players in the league. But at the

597
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: same time, again it's my third year. You just you know,

598
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: you're still a young kid. You're still like you adjust

599
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: into this like volume thing, volume tempo of your career.

600
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: I remember, like right now I was playing with I

601
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: think we're playing Senate Tonio, and right before the game,

602
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I was sitting after the warm up shooting, sitting on

603
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: a bench and somebody, I think like one of the

604
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: bowl boys or physical trainer it just came in and

605
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, okay, congratulations you like you've been picked

606
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: as an old star.

607
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: And since since then I couldn't.

608
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: Play like I think was the first game that I remember,

609
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, like I'm an old start,

610
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: like I have to do something like right now, and

611
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: like coach like ak, congratulations, but just cool, doll, like

612
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: you don't have to show anything like like just keep

613
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: playing like you played.

614
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: But it was so overwhelming, do you think I mean,

615
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 5: obviously all of that culminated like after you know, stocked

616
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: and retiring and Malone retiring. How was that for you

617
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: when you watch those two kind of icons of not

618
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: just the game, but for sure for that for that

619
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 5: franchise and what they meant to that city. Did you

620
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 5: kind of know that like okay, like it's pretty much

621
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 5: my time now that they getting up out of here,

622
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 5: and it's kind of like it's a lot of opportun

623
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: soon indeed being opened up right now. And it was

624
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 5: that like what you was building up to and waiting

625
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: for and getting ready and prepared for.

626
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: No.

627
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: N My feeling that time was like, it's gonna be

628
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: a tough season because we just losted two guys who

629
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: was the face of the franchise. And I didn't really

630
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: think that, you know, it's my time. I have to

631
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: like pick up the team. You still feel like you're

632
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: young kid, you know, like, yeah, I have to be

633
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: you have to like put a little bit more into

634
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: the plate. But I don't think I had the feeling that, oh,

635
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: it's my team, I'm the big man right now. Probably

636
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: I never been in this kind of set of mind.

637
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I've always been like more like a friendly team player.

638
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: I wanted, you know, like you wanted to be around

639
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: rather than you know, give me the ball and get

640
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: out of the way. I never be in this kind

641
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: of player, So I didn't really think that it's my time.

642
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: Because they left, I realized, yeah, there's more opportunities to be.

643
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: You know, like around the ball a little bit more.

644
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: But It's more responsibility for sure, because right now we

645
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: don't have two guys who can, you know, be responsible

646
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: for everything we do. You know, you becoming that man

647
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: that people kind of look at. But at the same time,

648
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: I was like twenty three, twenty four years old, and

649
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: you're like, eh, you know, you're still young. I think

650
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: right now because of the all of the social media,

651
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: because it's a bigger environment, kids who's coming to NBAD

652
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: grew up a little bit younger, you know, like they

653
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: mature a little bit younger. Like back in the days,

654
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't even remember youngsters who comes like at twenty

655
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: one twenty two years old, instantly become the best players

656
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: in the league. It was like kind of league of

657
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: older older people.

658
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: Older men.

659
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: Grown man.

660
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: When did you found love with defense and consider yourself

661
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: a defensive stopper.

662
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: I think I've always been and I wouldn't limit it

663
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: myself to the defense only just because when I start

664
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: playing basketball, I kind of equally try to play defense

665
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: and then give your best and offense. And I think

666
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: when I joined the NBA, and I think this is

667
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: the best thing I learned about American basketball. And actually

668
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: it's not only basketball, it's very typical for the different

669
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: occupation of different discipline as well. In US, when you

670
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: do something, you become a professional, very good in this

671
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: particular discipline, or I don't know, like direction, if you're

672
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: a shooter, your shooter. If you're like a ball handler,

673
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: you're a great ballhandler. You kind of specialize on this.

674
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: If you are I don't know, computer, computer problem, is

675
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: you so good at it. In Russia, people get used

676
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: know a lot of things, but not so good at

677
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: this particular thing. Right, so we know everything but really

678
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: nothing category. In US, you are very good in a

679
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: certain category, but when it comes to something else, you're like, uh,

680
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: you know what. I have no idea what it is.

681
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: So I think it's it's mentality and culture. And when

682
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: we learn as the kids, we really concentrate on fundamentals.

683
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: We concentrate on a team game. We concentrate offense and

684
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: defense both equally important. And I think I kind of

685
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: grew up with that feeling. That's why probably I couldn't

686
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: really become a first option for the Jazz, just because

687
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: I never really get used to be a first option.

688
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: I always get used to be that, you know, like

689
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: that important part of the team, but not really a

690
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: guy who, like, as I said, like give me the ball,

691
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: I won't do everything right now.

692
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

693
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: So you think when you became a de fact though leader,

694
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 5: even though you were really to be, do you think

695
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: you kind of from outside looking in, I feel like

696
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: you kind of took John Stockman's approach is like, look

697
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 5: at me.

698
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be the example.

699
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do what I was supposed to do, and

700
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: you can look at me as an example of what

701
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 5: you know the right way to go about it.

702
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: I would say yes.

703
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: And I think the second part of it is always

704
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: language barrier at some point, just because I mean, you

705
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: speak English, but you don't really speak English at the

706
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: level that you can organize everybody and say like, okay,

707
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: you know this is the bullshit, we're gonna do this,

708
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: so you know, you know what I'm saying and the

709
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: heat of the game. You have to be very fast

710
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: in those kind of situations. And it was easy for

711
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: me to do it with a national team when you

712
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 2: can like really you know, like talk to the guys

713
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: and kind of get them together, and with adjust it

714
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: was way harder for me just because it's not my

715
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: native language. And again, as I said, it's a little

716
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: bit different mentally, mentality or cultural thing. That's what what

717
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm feeling.

718
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: At least.

719
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Did you know that you that season you led the

720
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: league in blocks and you only played forty one games,

721
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: or did you take pride in blocking shots?

722
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I think.

723
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: I think I got like a ward at the end

724
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: of the season, But I didn't know. I played forty

725
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: one game.

726
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Really half your risks and you only play half the

727
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: games and you led the league still in blocks.

728
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: That's wild.

729
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: Well, what I can say, I always loved blocks. I

730
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: always love to come from the weak side when nobody

731
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: see you and send it. Not to the stands, send

732
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: it to your man so you can start the frustbreak.

733
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: Don't send it out even though it looks good.

734
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 4: Well, I just want to look.

735
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you you, I used to hate fucking

736
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 5: having the match up against you. I tell everybody whoever

737
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 5: asks you. And Tayshaun Prince was the two dudes I

738
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: had my hardest time game. The miles was easy work.

739
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 5: Y'all two though, with the length, with the you know

740
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and the crazy thing. You know, I

741
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 5: tried to play strong and y'all were more more slim,

742
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 5: but y'all made up for all of that. Y'all both

743
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: had the same intangibles as far as like even if

744
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 5: somebody did a move or got past you, y'all had

745
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 5: so much length and y'all were quick enough that you

746
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 5: could still recover from whatever happened with your length and

747
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 5: your quickness. So it was like, if I had a

748
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 5: good game against one of y'all motherfuckers, I was hyped.

749
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, no, I was bothering the night

750
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: y'all got I was hooping the night you ain't see

751
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: like that was Tayshawn.

752
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: That was ak on me.

753
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 5: Like if I got busy on y'all, I felt damn

754
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 5: good for the next week because y'all motherfuckers was hell

755
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 5: for me.

756
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: I never I always felt that way. Y'all too.

757
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 5: Was two matchups that I I used to bet have

758
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 5: a hard ass time figuring out.

759
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out because Uh, I felt the same way

760
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: like when when I was when first time I saw

761
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: him playing, UH he looked like nothing special, But then

762
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: when you start playing god like, it's like he's always

763
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: there's he got a long arms, he always liked defensively.

764
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: Then he started leading the fast break, You're like, oh,

765
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: something like you're underestimating this guy.

766
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, take him for granted. I think it's not

767
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 5: like this, and then he beat in bust those ass.

768
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: Tell us about the transition when we went on lockout.

769
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: The NBA went on the lockout, and you decided to

770
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: go back to Moscow and play for your phone, right,

771
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: tell us what made you make that decision and you

772
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: decided to stay instead of going back to the NBA.

773
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, when I was, uh, I think it was

774
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: the end of the season ten eleven, My contract was

775
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: over with the Utah, and I think that it's become

776
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: the major part of my decision. Just because my contract

777
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: is over and I'm not under the contract, I'm not

778
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: obliged to, you know, like to wait until the lockout result.

779
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: So I decided to well, you know, like nothing to lose.

780
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm signing with the Moscow team when the lockout is over.

781
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: I put it the close in my contract that anytime

782
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: the NBA you start the season, I can come back.

783
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: And we start the season with the Moscow team. And

784
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: our chemistry went so well, you know, like when you

785
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: caught the feeling in the locker room, when you were

786
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: like invincible. You feel like everything is falling your way.

787
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: You love your teammates, you know, like when you play

788
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: and you enjoy the game. Your co which is like

789
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: so friendly, so diplomatic, so like open, creative, gives you

790
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: a chance to play your game. You are charing with

791
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: you like you loved everything else good. In the middle

792
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: of the season, I think it was like December time,

793
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: like out was over. I came and spoke with the

794
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: president of the team, like you said, like, well, Andrea,

795
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: I understand it that you can go back to NBA.

796
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Your contract is over, but of course we'll love you

797
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: to stay. And I was thinking, like, I don't have

798
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: a contract. I have to, like in the middle of

799
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: the season, I have to like start either looking for

800
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: the teams. It'll start, you know, trying to get back

801
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: to the Utah. And at that time, I think Gordon

802
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: Hayward joined the team, so he kind of start you know,

803
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: like developing. I don't want to disrupt the process, you know,

804
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: like he was already in the team. So I was like,

805
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: there's nothing to lose for me to just finish the

806
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: season and then like come back to the NBA. I

807
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: had ten years of experience with a Jazz. I had

808
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: a great time, and I wanted to kind of see

809
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: it through. I wanted to see this team how it's

810
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: gonna play until the end of the season, and I decided,

811
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, we spoke with the president. We extend the

812
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: contract until the end of the season and finish the season,

813
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: which was an amazing experience, even though we lost in

814
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: the final of the euro League by the last shot.

815
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: Buzzer beat there.

816
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 3: We lost one.

817
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: Point and we're like, oh my god, but it was

818
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: a great experience.

819
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got MVP, got euro League First Team and

820
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 5: best defenders, so you know, he got everything except the Chip.

821
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: I lost by one in the Chip. That was only part.

822
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: After that season, you went MVP, the best defender. All that,

823
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: you decided to go back to the United States and

824
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: play for Minnesota Wolf. Why was Minnesota the team for

825
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: you to choose and did you have other options?

826
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: Minnesota was probably the most active at that time because

827
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: right after the season with the Moscow Club, we had

828
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: the Olympics, and we also played well at the Olympics.

829
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: We got the bronze medal and I was also named

830
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: like starting five of the top five of the of

831
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: the tournament. In that time, I was pursued very hard

832
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: by Minnesota. David Kahn was the general manager of the team.

833
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: He was trying to create a young core with Kevin Love,

834
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: you know, being a centerpiece of the organization. And he

835
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: was like, Andre, we need the experience, we need the experience,

836
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: especially international experience. We had some of the guys who's

837
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: from the Europe. We got Tekovic, the signed another Russian guy,

838
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: Alexi schwid Uh.

839
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: I got.

840
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: He looked like one of the dudes, all triple legs,

841
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 5: so one of the one of the internets.

842
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like an MMA fighter boy.

843
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

844
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: So David Khan was very active and pursuing me and Uh.

845
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: At some point I was thinking to coming back to

846
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: Utah or I need to like change something. And at

847
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: that time, Utah wasn't that active because they already have

848
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: a core, which is what was young and you know,

849
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: like they start growing up. And as I said, like

850
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: Gordon Hayward was like on the way to become an

851
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: Ald Style, on the way becoming face of the franchise.

852
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: And he was in my position. I was open to

853
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: come to you, but at the same time, you know,

854
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: like I don't want to compromise that mystry and how

855
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: you say the soil they're growing up. So I spoke

856
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: with my family. We said, like, okay, let's try something new.

857
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Let's try the new experience, a little bit more international

858
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: experience in NBA. And also what I love Rick Adelman

859
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: as a coach. He was He was probably the best

860
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: coach in NBA that I had the experience with as

861
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: a as a player, who allows you to play what

862
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: you wanted to play. He was like, gives you a

863
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: chance to be creative. He was giving you the chance

864
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: to be an open minded create something new on the floor.

865
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: I had a huge fund playing with him. I think

866
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: playing with another Russian kid in the team was helping too,

867
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: because I was feeling like I can really share my experience,

868
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: I can really help my close friend and the teammate

869
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: kind of enjoy America learned something transition And I feel

870
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: bad that I don't have anybody when I.

871
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: Wasn't to show me right.

872
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 5: That's all I say is that the only time, like

873
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 5: in your NBA journey where you had an actual, you know,

874
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 5: a fellow countryman that you were able to have on

875
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 5: your team and bond with like that.

876
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: It's not the only experience because when I was in Brooklyn.

877
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: I also have for like half year Russian kid in

878
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: my team, but it was only for the half year

879
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: and I wasn't playing that much, right, Okay, you couldn't

880
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: say much when you're not playing.

881
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to because you got the

882
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: chance to play with with d Will and he got

883
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: drafted to Utah and just to see his growth to

884
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: being one of the best point guards in the league

885
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: at the time.

886
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 4: Just tell us about your experience.

887
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Playing with de Will and the system and how you

888
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: just seen him get better and better every year.

889
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: We were very close with d Will with the family,

890
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: our wives always you know, like hanging out with each other.

891
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: Actually at that time, we have like a lot of

892
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: like players who was always like with each other, families, kids.

893
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: We always had a party together. We're always trying to

894
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: like celebrate Halloweens, Thanksgivings, Christmas, like everything was like kind

895
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: of together. And with the de Will, I remember the

896
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: funny story like his first year, we had like a

897
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: team appearance somewhere and me and de Will supposed to

898
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: go to like little area to like give away tickets

899
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: play with the kids. So we have a limo, so

900
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: we sit in a Limo, We're going somewhere, and de

901
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: Will was like, only ky, you're such a great player,

902
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, like you're like a number one option here

903
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah such stuff like you know, you know,

904
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: like when the young guys playing with it. He just

905
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: joined the league and having the veteran but I'm not.

906
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't a veteran back then, but twenty three, twenty

907
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: four years old, but I was a veteran. So he

908
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: was like, you're an all star and blah blah blah,

909
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: And I said, I remember, like right now, I said,

910
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: like d Will, believe me, a couple of years, you're

911
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: gonna be in my position doing the same thing, going somewhere.

912
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: Just play your game, just do like what you do

913
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: the best. And like in two years, literally he's an

914
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: All Star and we're going somewhere like.

915
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: Here we are.

916
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's uh, he was an amazing player first time,

917
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: probably after Ali and Ivers and I've seen somebody so

918
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: good with the handles. With that crossover, Oh my god,

919
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: he was a deadly crossover. But then crossover he got

920
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: a buddy, big dude with a big body doing the

921
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: crossovers all over.

922
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 4: Oh my god, yea, two of them.

923
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: Like four of them, I like crossing like four times,

924
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: like wow, like losing his balance.

925
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: So leaving Minnesota, you decide to go to Brooklyn. When

926
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: you was playing, it was they was in New Jersey

927
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: and they decided to go to Brooklyn. It was a

928
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 1: new fairly new organization. They kind of like started over.

929
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: But how was it to play with Brooklyn.

930
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: It was a very easy and tough decision at the

931
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: same time to come to Brooklyn, just because I was

932
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: feeling that.

933
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: My career in the NBA is going down, and.

934
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: You know, like you're feeling like it's it's it's way

935
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: harder to recovery after injuries. It's it's you get a

936
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: feeling that your body you can't run through anymore as

937
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: much as you run. So I was start thinking that

938
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: I need to, you know, take a shot for the

939
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: championship and find something some situation that probably you know,

940
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: like when you still can't do something, when you still

941
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: can be productive, you can be a valuable part of

942
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: the team. So I was thinking that which team you

943
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: can be part of? And uh, again, based on my

944
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: agent information back then, it was a very good option

945
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: with the San Antonio So the Minnesota supposed to trade

946
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: me for somebody I don't remember who, maybe Breistyao or

947
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: somebody else. There was again, it's like a rumors you

948
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: heard from your from your from your agents. There was

949
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: like a little interest, and I was like, yeah, sure,

950
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: you know, like san Antonio was Dynasty, and you know,

951
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: like who doesn't want to try Greg Popovich and play

952
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: for him? And he got he got a lot of

953
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: international players and the team, which is another great point.

954
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: So I said like, yeah, sure, why not. But then

955
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: it didn't happen because David Khan was changed by Splip Saunders.

956
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: So it was like a little different direction by the

957
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 2: team at that time. Minnesota didn't want to do really

958
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: anything to extend me or trade me. So at that

959
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: time I decided, you know what, I have to find

960
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: something for myself. I'm not gonna pick up my option.

961
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to find some right environment where you

962
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: can get a chance to win the title, but at

963
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: the same time be in a good chemistry, good atmosphere

964
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: in the team. And we got a project. Basically, the

965
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 2: Russian owner bought Brooklyn Nets. I know t will is there.

966
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: It was brook Loves, it was Jeorge Johnson, and the

967
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: team they picked up KG, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry, and

968
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 2: it was like basically no brainer for me. You know, like, well,

969
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: this is like a last crusade.

970
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: To get it together.

971
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all, but at the same time, you know,

972
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: like I wanted to try this. I wanted to try

973
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: this experience, try the experience of New York as a city,

974
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: because everybody was talking New York, New York, New York.

975
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: You know, you wanted to try the experience of New York.

976
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: You want to experience the team when you have all

977
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: veterans with a great experience with a little percentage shot

978
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: for the title. Yeah, it didn't work, honestly, but it

979
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: was a good try. I think during the season we

980
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: beat Miami a few times, but in the playoffs were

981
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: I think we look like for you, how.

982
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: Was it for you?

983
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 5: You know, like you said, you've been a teammate with

984
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 5: Dee Will and stuff like that, but how was it

985
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 5: to be on the team with the legendary Kevin Garnet

986
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 5: and how intense he is, and then Paul Pierce and

987
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 5: those that duo. How was it to be on the

988
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 5: same team and be in the locker room with those guys?

989
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: Hey, it's amazing, you know, like every day you learn something.

990
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: Every day you see how a passionate. Especially KG, he's

991
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: like he's like all over the place. He's like you,

992
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: always vocal, he always like involving the things we've always

993
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: been like first two guys, who's coming to the practice,

994
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: doing like treatments, doing like Jim.

995
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: Doing something in like seven thirty in the morning.

996
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm always like talking little things about basketball, cultural things.

997
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: But he's amazing. I think he's the guy I've never

998
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: seen such intensity. He was always talking, talking to himself,

999
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: to the defense, to the referees, to the opinions, I

1000
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: don't know, like to the coaches. It's crazy, like he

1001
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: always been in the mode. And when you have this

1002
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: kind of player in your team, it's so easy to

1003
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: play because he's drawn so much attention on himself. So

1004
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: you're just like, okay, you can deal with KG. Forget

1005
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: about me.

1006
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 4: During your day.

1007
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I heard a lot of guys play this, but you

1008
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: was real big on the world of warcraft.

1009
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 5: He knows you know, I don't know nothing about this.

1010
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: A K for shout out the Milik Roleslik Rose put

1011
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 5: me on that game. He had me David Robinson Tim

1012
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 5: Duncan all of them games.

1013
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 4: Talk about AK. I played it, but you go ahead, you.

1014
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: Know, you know, I think it's it's very cultural for

1015
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: the youngsters to play video games. You know, right now

1016
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: everybody playing like NB two, k uh playing like FIFA.

1017
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1018
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: NFL called duty.

1019
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: But back in now time, you know, I don't think

1020
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: it was a lot of like those kind of games online.

1021
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: So online we have like a few options. It was

1022
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: I think like World of four Acraft. I think it

1023
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: was like Diablo something else. I didn't play, but yeah, yeah,

1024
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: so when I was like twenty one years old, I

1025
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: picked it up.

1026
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: You know that you're always traveling, you need to.

1027
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 5: Feel the laptop game too, is on a computer, so

1028
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 5: that that kind of made it easier too.

1029
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: Right now you have like Netflix, you have like all

1030
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: kinds of things.

1031
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: I had a little little.

1032
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: DVD portable DVD.

1033
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: We're at twenty four. That was.

1034
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Jack Jack bow Man. Yeah, it definitely was. But I

1035
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: just rewatched that like a couple of weeks ago. Man,

1036
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm on season six now.

1037
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: It's just still that was like that was like a

1038
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 4: secret society though. AK.

1039
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 5: The people that played World of Warcraft within the NBA

1040
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 5: like when I found out that, like Tim Duncan and

1041
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 5: David Robinson, I was blown away by that. But when

1042
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 5: the league sucked, like because like you said, it was

1043
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 5: in the days before all of the games was getting online,

1044
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: and that was something that we could get online and

1045
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 5: go do quests together and you getting potions and conjuring

1046
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 5: and getting weapons and ridables. It was it was crazy. Man,

1047
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 5: shout out the World of Warcraft Man.

1048
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 4: World of war Craft Man. They made a movie. Did

1049
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: you see the movie?

1050
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I seen the movie.

1051
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: I haven't played though for maybe a few years, but

1052
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: I still have my character.

1053
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 3: My character is somewhere.

1054
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm call of Duty mad and everything else. Now

1055
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 5: I ain't playing World of Warcraft in eons and eons.

1056
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Tell us about twenty twelve, playing for your country, getting

1057
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity to medal in basketball, bring home a bronze medal,

1058
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: and tell us about what you thought about this year's Olympics.

1059
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: I want to start with generally experience playing with the

1060
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 2: national team, because twenty twelve it was like a best

1061
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: year for us at the Olympics, and you know, obviously

1062
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 2: we got the bronze medal, but the whole experience playing

1063
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 2: for the national team. It's amazing experience. And we as

1064
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: a nation. As a kid, you know, we grew up

1065
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: with the idea that the best possible basketball, not club basketball,

1066
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: but the basketball itself is Olympic games. You know, like

1067
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: when you're playing for your country against other countries and

1068
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: in the basketball field, you're basically showing that you are

1069
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: the best basketball player in the world.

1070
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: So that's how you do it.

1071
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: I think it's like a carved It's carved in my veins.

1072
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: So anytime we played European competitions, World Cups or Olympics,

1073
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 2: you always wanted to be there. You have your guys

1074
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: you grew up with, you know, like you have everybody

1075
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: on your side. You playing not for the money because

1076
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: obviously there's no money involved. You playing for yourself or

1077
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: your friends, for your parents. It's amazing experience and I

1078
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: always like recommend layers from a different countries if you

1079
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: have a chance, please experience it. It's way different. You

1080
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: have to get the essence of it. I'm so grateful that,

1081
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: you know, in the duration of my career as a

1082
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: basketball player, NBA basketball player, I had the chance, you know,

1083
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 2: like I've been involved a lot with the national teams

1084
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: with the national team competitions and with the best achievements

1085
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: that we won. In two thousand and seven European medal

1086
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: we won the euro and twenty twelve we got the

1087
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: bronze medal. But the biggest achievement for myself in two

1088
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, I've been awarded by my country to

1089
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: be a flag bearer for the opening Service, which is

1090
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 2: amazing experience. I think lebron was so I think it's

1091
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: the highest possible honor you can get from your country

1092
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: from your sport when you represent it not basketball, but

1093
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: you're representing your country in the sport. And this is

1094
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: the biggest memory of mine. And as I said, mark

1095
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: into my biography, it's always going to be with me,

1096
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: same as Dutch and Michael Jordan.

1097
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 5: Right, how does it feel for you, like, you know,

1098
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: you you had to be one of the guys like

1099
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 5: especially for this, you know, the current generation of guys

1100
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: that's come up, they had to have seening you when

1101
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 5: they young, Like you know what I'm saying, be a

1102
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 5: guy from Russia to make it to the NBA, to

1103
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 5: go you know, across the world, to go to the

1104
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 5: NBA and become a superstar and really make a name

1105
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 5: for yourself. So now when you see the younger guys

1106
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 5: coming through, do you take a pride in knowing that

1107
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 5: you were one of those pillars that gave them that

1108
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 5: ability to dream? And like, you know how it is

1109
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 5: until they see somebody from their own country go do

1110
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: what you were doing, and then they get the belief

1111
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 5: that they could do it. So do you take that

1112
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 5: pride with you, like now being the president of the

1113
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 5: Russian Basketball Federation so they really get to see you

1114
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 5: up close and personal.

1115
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: I am very proud.

1116
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: I am very proud to be that person to kind

1117
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: of be a pioneer and not the pioneer as a

1118
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: just who joined the NBA and play a couple of

1119
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: games and you know, like but showing that any kid

1120
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: growing up and playing basketball can be an old star,

1121
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: can play for many years an NBA can be an

1122
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: integral part of the franchise. That's possible because as I said,

1123
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: like when I grew up, we did have a little

1124
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: examples of the Russian players who like joined the league,

1125
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: played like I don't know, like five six games and

1126
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: like get out that played the preseason camp, being picked

1127
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: up for a short period of time.

1128
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: But you don't really.

1129
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: Feel that it's possible, and I wanted to get a

1130
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: feeling that, you know, like kids who grew up watching me,

1131
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: they understand nothing is impossible. You can be there. You

1132
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: don't have to be like strong, very athletic to be there.

1133
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: I was skinny kid, like running through. You can concentrate

1134
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: on something and you know, like be a valuable part

1135
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: of any NBA franchise. You just have to, you know,

1136
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: like find that right feit. You have to find the

1137
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: right coach, right teammate, or maybe the right position to

1138
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: fit in, maybe a right organization. You know, like who

1139
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 2: believed in you, who start believing you? Because so many

1140
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: examples was like when man, he's nothing really, nothing special

1141
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: really about this player, but then you get a right

1142
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: feet bumps, he's playing major minutes and he's becoming important

1143
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: part of the team.

1144
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you played for three teams doing your NBA career.

1145
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: You had a bunch of teammates every year. If you

1146
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: had to pick four teammates that you had in your

1147
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: NBA career to make an ultimate five with you, who

1148
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: would be the other four teammates.

1149
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: Game wise that I liked to play with, just just

1150
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: just because this is a different.

1151
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: This is a difference, right, Yeah, Like, just whoever you

1152
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: think you can put together out of all the teammates

1153
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: you ever had, you can put together and just have

1154
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: an unstoppable team that can't be beat.

1155
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 4: Who would the four other teammates that you would make

1156
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 4: this ultimate team with?

1157
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would pick Kobe for sure. I've

1158
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: been his teammates once in the All Star Games. Yeah,

1159
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: I'll take d Will because majority of my career went

1160
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: with him. Even though John Stockton and Mark Jackson would

1161
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: be right there. I wanted to play with Mark Jackson.

1162
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was looking at me particular, particular

1163
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: led me like anytime I was open is there because

1164
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: John was looking for carl He was amazing, but he

1165
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: was looking for Carl. Mark Jackson was looking for me. Yeah,

1166
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: but probably d Will just because we played a little

1167
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: bit longer and he was in his prime time back there.

1168
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: I would take Carlos Boozer because he was with me

1169
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: as well. And I will beat Memo because we got

1170
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: those four guys right there, like Memo, me, Boozer, and

1171
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: Darren we had a great relationship outside the court.

1172
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 3: We've always been together.

1173
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: So from the let me ask you if you could

1174
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: switch Kobe out. Who else will it be? Out of

1175
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: your teammates? You will put it in that two spot

1176
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: that you didn't have. Maybe Joe Johnson.

1177
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: Maybe Joe was good.

1178
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: But again like I played with Joe only like season

1179
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: and it was not like not enough time to really

1180
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: but but he was. He was amazing like him Paul Pierce. Uh, yeah,

1181
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: E was Kyle Korver. I would put Kyle Korver there

1182
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: like he was. He was a menace, like the guy

1183
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: the shot like, oh my god, I'm a practice. It

1184
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: was like impossible to play against him.

1185
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you d will Kyle klover boozer.

1186
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: And yeah there was our team team straight up.

1187
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: Unlucky because san Antonio has a dynasty.

1188
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got another one for you. You gotta start one,

1189
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: you gotta bench one, you gotta trade one. So start

1190
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: start trade Michael, Michael, Kobe, Lebron, who start?

1191
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay, now let's will I will go with my idea.

1192
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan will start, Lebron will be bench, and Kobe

1193
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: will cut.

1194
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: Even though I.

1195
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: Love Kobe and he's the number one, just because as

1196
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: I said, Kobe is the similar player as as MJ.

1197
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: So I have to take Jesus, I have basketball, Jesus,

1198
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: I take like you know what I found out the formula,

1199
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, like there's a lot of like talking about

1200
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: the criteria. Who's the best player, who's the best five players,

1201
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: best ten players? I find out the criteria for the

1202
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: like a combination of the best players in NBA history,

1203
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: And I wanted to share it with you and correct

1204
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. If you disagree with me, you're ready.

1205
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: So I have like ten players, which is starting five

1206
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: and like guys who's gonna be five guys who's gonna

1207
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: be second unit and two guys who's going to be

1208
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: on the bench or like wild card.

1209
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: They right there.

1210
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: So first ten players, they all have three or more titles.

1211
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: That's that's the one criteria. So point guard position would

1212
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: be Magic Johnson and fifty and a half and forty

1213
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: nine and a half Steph Carry and again like type

1214
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: of the game you need, you need a killer, Steph

1215
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: is there, you need more organizer, Magic is there. So

1216
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: they are very close. Then number two position Michael Jordan,

1217
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant. Same way, Michael is the starter, Kobe is

1218
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: right there. You go into three position. Lebron has starting

1219
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: Larry Bird is right there.

1220
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: Right after me.

1221
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: Okay.

1222
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 2: Number four team Dunc and Bill Russell. You can put

1223
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: them how you.

1224
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 4: Want it, Okay.

1225
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: They both team players. They want so much. They're very unselfish.

1226
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: You can rotate them whatever you like. Number five Jabbar

1227
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: Shock and two guys on the bench, Wilted and Hakim

1228
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: just because they don't have enough titles, but they so

1229
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: those twelve are my best that I see. If you

1230
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: see somebody, if you disagree, please let me know.

1231
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 5: I would change Larry Bird for Kevin Durant two titles.

1232
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: But he's right there.

1233
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Okay, I forgot about the title.

1234
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: He is right there. Believe me, he's like he's right there.

1235
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 2: And but he's not finished his career. We don't know

1236
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: many human passage.

1237
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the one spot for me where I would change,

1238
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 5: But I can't really argue nothing else.

1239
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 4: Tell me this, like right now, the NBA, probably.

1240
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 5: More than ever, is more like, you know, more blended

1241
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 5: as far as international players, like, how do you when

1242
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 5: you look at the landscape, what is your thoughts on

1243
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 5: the international scope of the league. Did they how far

1244
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 5: it's coming and how fast is steadily coming in and

1245
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 5: coming quicker now, Like you're seeing a lot of guys

1246
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 5: from overseas, you know, becoming stars getting to the league.

1247
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: Like the last four.

1248
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 5: MVPs, I've been international players, you know what I'm saying.

1249
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 5: So it's like talk about the state of international hoopers

1250
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 5: in the league so far right now, and you can

1251
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 5: be prideful about that you have something to do with that.

1252
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 5: One of the guys there was an international guy that

1253
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 5: brought the flav in was a star in the er.

1254
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, pioneer baby.

1255
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1256
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: I think it's inevitable. It's inevitable that league will grow

1257
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: international wise, just because we got so much exposure to

1258
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 2: the world through the social media, through the TV broadcasting

1259
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: around the world. More kids around the world see examples

1260
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: that it's possible that you know, like you can be

1261
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: a part of it. So many promotions that NBA is

1262
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: doing around the world, like go and visit in different countries.

1263
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: I love that right now NBA taking seriously international events,

1264
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: because not taking it seriously is becoming a problem because

1265
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 2: you've seen like a lot of example, like when it's

1266
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: not serious, international teams already start beating it, winning the

1267
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 2: World Cups, Olympics in two thousand and four. So it's

1268
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: a lot of exposure and a lot of international teams

1269
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: start getting leaders, leaders who's playing in NBA integral parts

1270
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: of franchises, Dallas as a Luca box as Yannies your kitchen,

1271
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: them were Shay in Oklahoma and beat and beat Okay.

1272
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: He's a US national team. But but yeah, say more

1273
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: and more players from all over the world. Victor Vebanyama

1274
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 2: is going to be a beast for the next ten years.

1275
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: You have to record me. He would be the guy

1276
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: who will beat my five by five.

1277
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 3: Soon enough.

1278
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 5: You talk about that list you haken with the five

1279
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 5: by five, y'are the only players that's done that multiple times?

1280
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 4: Man, know what that is?

1281
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 5: That's like at least five statistical points across five category

1282
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 5: like five points, fiery bounds, five assists, five steals, five blocks,

1283
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 5: Like that's insane.

1284
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all around.

1285
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: I think I think right now it would be nice

1286
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: because all of the draft leagues, fantasy leagues, Yeah, all

1287
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,839
Speaker 2: of the like betting getting involved so that the numbers

1288
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 2: are important, uh and be two k. It's important into

1289
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: the game. Like when you're playing, you need to get

1290
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 2: a steels, blocks and like leading away.

1291
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: Running through it.

1292
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 5: Am yeah, running through, running through, that's something you probably

1293
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 5: will never forget for as long as you live.

1294
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 4: Running tell us running through.

1295
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 5: You, I won't forget it. And I just had to

1296
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 5: guard it every now and again.

1297
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: I hate I hated chasing you running through and you

1298
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: ran through every single time, whether the ball was in

1299
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: front of you or behind you, you ran through.

1300
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: So but yeah, so back back in the days, back

1301
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: in the days, there wasn't that much attention to it.

1302
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: So you just like you just playing and as again,

1303
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: like as we as we talked, my type of the

1304
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 2: game was like playing defense, offense everywhere and selfish running

1305
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: for the jumping for the ball. So I think that

1306
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 2: way you kind of get those stats. Kind of you

1307
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: don't think about it much. And I bet you, like

1308
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 2: if you're going to take a look and like research

1309
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Speaker 2: the stats. I don't know, maybe somebody watching this podcast,

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 2: will you know, like take this work into the hands

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: and research it. I bet you that I have probably

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01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: fifteen games when I was like one block way, two

1313
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 2: steals away, or like two seas away.

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Speaker 3: From this kind of numbers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Lebron, I think he got like hundreds

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01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: of games when he like one assist away from triple

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: double one like rebound away from triple double. Because the

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Speaker 2: way he played, he always like, you don't run the

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01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: ball around those categories.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me ask you this.

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: Like when you first got in the league in two thousand,

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01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: the league was played a certain way. It was more

1323
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: inside out where you go through the big man and

1324
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: then you shoot. But now seeing the game has kind

1325
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: of changed, it's changed into a they say a euro

1326
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: style type game. You know what I'm saying. You see

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: the game that's evolved a little bit where you shoot

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01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: more jumpers. Guys like us that played the three when

1329
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: we came in, we can play center and power forward

1330
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: in this new league. Now, just tell us about how

1331
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: you see the game evolved two more of a euro

1332
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: style or I don't want say eurostyle, but a worldly style.

1333
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 4: Then it was when you first got.

1334
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 5: In, y'all to would be cheatings in this league, y'all

1335
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 5: be a five men in this league. U like y'all

1336
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 5: be cheating in this NBA doing everything, but go ahead.

1337
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree it's an international style, but I definitely

1338
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: agree that game changed. When I came in, it was

1339
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: a game of the big man. You have the like

1340
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: it was a generation of Patrick Ewing, Kim Shaq, David Robinson, y'all.

1341
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: It was a force.

1342
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: So the old game was like built to bring the

1343
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: ball down to the post, let the big men create

1344
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: situations and then like pass off or like doing something

1345
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 2: with the ball. Then like in two thousands, it's become

1346
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: a league of two three. So like forwards, you got

1347
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: like team Man mash Burn, Alan Houston, Ray Allen, so

1348
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: a lot of great players who can play with the ball.

1349
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: Vince Carter so I think Michael Jordan played the integral

1350
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 2: part and kind of show everybody, you know, that's the

1351
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: way you're supposed to guys play. And it's become a

1352
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: forwards game. Kevin Durant Lebron they came in in two thousand,

1353
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: like four and two thousand. Kevin Durant came I think

1354
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: before that, like three, right, yeah, correct me if I'm wrong.

1355
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: So it's become a league of the forwards. And it

1356
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: was like so hard for me to play because every

1357
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: night I would have somebody on my position who's playing

1358
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 2: incredibly well. So you're like, oh, Pasia Asia is shooting

1359
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: the hell out of this three point shot. Then next

1360
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 2: the next game, I have Derek to that have Ray

1361
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: Allen Kobe Team Mex. You're like, oh my god, I

1362
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: have to run thousands of screens and chase these guys.

1363
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: But then I think Steph Curry broke the game. He

1364
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: just broke the game because he become the guy. Is

1365
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: like if it's become a video game. He was like

1366
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: crossing the half court and like shooting the shot, and

1367
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: in the European game, you would be.

1368
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 3: Benched right away.

1369
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: You're like, no, no, no, you don't do this, Keith,

1370
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: you have to like you have to use your clock.

1371
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: But then like he started making those shots and everybody like,

1372
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the way. It's like it's

1373
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: like in Star Wars or Mondalorian, like this is the way,

1374
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: Like this is the way, and everybody start doing it

1375
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 2: and right now it's crazy and that even the big

1376
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: guy start doing it. So right now the game becomes

1377
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 2: tall guys coming to the three point shot.

1378
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 3: And shooting that three point shots. Everybody is shooting it

1379
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 3: ron and gun. Mike Antonio would be happy right now.

1380
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 4: Definitely, yes he would, Yes, he would. He is part

1381
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 4: of this. He is part of this old fact.

1382
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, you're right, he's.

1383
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 5: In scene, is part of while we're seeing what's happening.

1384
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, tell me this before we get you up

1385
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 4: out of here. Man.

1386
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 5: I always like to ask this question. I want to

1387
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 5: hear this is this is a European Russian edition right here.

1388
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 4: I want to know. I heard you talk about earlier.

1389
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 5: You know, when you was with CSK you ain't want

1390
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 5: to get out the contract because they was paying for

1391
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 5: mom dukes and pops them apartment and stuff. I don't

1392
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 5: want to hear about you buying mom and popping them

1393
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 5: up crib. I want to know something to ak forty seven,

1394
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 5: when you got the bag, when you got a nice

1395
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 5: little bag and you got you know, Mom's them taking

1396
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 5: care of I got cook This is what you did

1397
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 5: for yourself. Did you probably look back now at the

1398
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 5: older age like that was kind of crazy, I should

1399
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 5: have did that, but like something that you felt that was,

1400
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 5: you know, you treated yourself, you had fun with it.

1401
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 5: I want to know what it is. I want to

1402
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 5: know the big purchase. Was it the Porsche? Was it

1403
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 5: something else flying? What did you do? Did you made

1404
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 5: a big, splashy purchase that you might look back at

1405
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 5: now say that was kind of crazy, but at the

1406
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 5: time it was fun.

1407
01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I was married back then. You've

1408
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: been cool down like you. I would say, like, hey,

1409
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 2: just chill out a little bit. But i'd say, like

1410
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 2: a couple of summers, we've been renting it both during

1411
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: the summertime, and it was very expensive, like both when

1412
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 2: you like cruise for a week, Yeah, like a yacht

1413
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: cruising for a week. You're taking your friends and you're

1414
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 2: having fun. But I wouldn't say it was like a

1415
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: bad spending. It is a bad spending in a in

1416
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 2: a sense of it's a waste of money, but experience

1417
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: from that and our memories, we still remember those memories

1418
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: from back in the days. Actually, El Harrington was on

1419
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: one of the trip.

1420
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 5: That's that's our boy. Yeah, that's my boy. Yeah, surprise

1421
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 5: that don't surprise me one bit though. They made the

1422
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 5: trip here here do it. Yeah, that's what's up, ak man.

1423
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,520
Speaker 5: We really appreciate you, man. We loved playing against.

1424
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: You and love your journey and the way you carried

1425
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: yourself doing the league.

1426
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 4: Man.

1427
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on the show, rocking with us

1428
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: and thank you all the way from Russia.

1429
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it was mandatory for us to do this. Man,

1430
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 5: you know, you one of the ones in the game

1431
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 5: and plus you part our era. But like we glad

1432
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 5: we got a chance to have you on here, to

1433
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 5: give you your flowers, to let you know how tough

1434
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 5: you was, how dope you was, and to remind anybody

1435
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 5: that half forgotten.

1436
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys from Russia with love.

1437
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 5: Yes, sir yes, sir ak forty seven everybody all right,

1438
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,160
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1439
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,480
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1440
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:41,960
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