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Speaker 2: His way up for Angela Yee And to clarify this

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Speaker 2: interview has been in the books for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: The honor of us Shine is here. Who knew that

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Speaker 2: all this was going to happen?

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Speaker 3: Oh what big Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: I have on my flat wish, you know, shout out

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Speaker 2: to we are Flatbush because I'm from Flatbush?

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Speaker 3: Is that your brand?

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Speaker 1: I'm just listening. Those are my guys, Yeah, Flatbush.

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Speaker 3: I'm supposed to go live with them when I come

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Speaker 3: back for the show, because I'll come back like a

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Speaker 3: few weeks before the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay good.

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Speaker 2: I met them online. They're amazing, and then they actually

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Speaker 2: came through to give me.

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Speaker 3: I actually grew up with them. I went to school

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Speaker 3: with them. You did, one of the guys, Popy.

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Speaker 1: I think which school did you went to?

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Speaker 3: Well? I went. I got kicked out all the school.

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Speaker 1: Because I went to PS two thirty five.

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Speaker 3: I went to PS ninety two. I went to Grady.

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Speaker 3: I went to La Fiat.

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Speaker 3: I went to mid She said.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to Midwood so bad. When I

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Speaker 2: was younger, my mom went to Erasmus. My dad went

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Speaker 2: to Brooklyn Man, So yeah, I grew up right there,

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Speaker 3: So I grew up Church Avenue. That was like the

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Speaker 3: And then we branched out and so we moved to Wingate,

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Speaker 3: What is Little Haiti? Now? Newkirk and Flatbush?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 2: How flat Bushsness Prospect, Leffards Gardens.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've just changed.

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Speaker 2: When I was growing up, I always wanted to live

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Speaker 3: The huge houses. Well, you would have to walk from

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Speaker 1: I went to poly Prep. So I went to private

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Speaker 3: Went I went to Epiphany.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was this many schools. How

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Speaker 3: Well? No, no, no, this is like through primary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, I watched your Honorable Shane documentary on Hulu.

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Speaker 1: He was a wild child back then.

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Speaker 3: I definitely was an urban child, single parent, household at risk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to say that seeing your mom

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Speaker 2: we don't know that full story until we see the documentary.

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Speaker 2: We don't think about everything that you went through. But

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Speaker 2: that time, who wanted you to have this amazing life.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you went through everything that you did,

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Speaker 3: Women's Day to you and to the most important woman

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Speaker 3: in my life because my daughter is the most important

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Speaker 3: You know, people have been approaching me to do the

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Speaker 2: for you to be working with Dampu again because he

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Speaker 3: The honorable shine, because I've always been honorable before I

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Speaker 3: The sacrifices that I made for integrity, the sacrifices that

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Speaker 1: You didn't make any payouts to people.

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Speaker 3: I did that for me because I don't believe in

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Speaker 3: exactly what they did. Respect the Marcus Clark as I said,

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Speaker 3: Ascape Disney color uh creative, Yes, color creative. They did

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Speaker 3: But I felt we spent too much time on Club

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Speaker 2: I was wondering if there was going to be like

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Speaker 3: Think they covered they covered.

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Speaker 1: They covered it.

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Speaker 3: You wanted more?

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Speaker 3: Well, I am coming out with a book, a spiritual

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Speaker 3: but I'm at a place of enlightenment where I'm not religious,

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Speaker 3: its kindness, compassion, honesty, integrity, tolerance, the things that should

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Speaker 3: Whereas the documentary, while it's acclaimed and everyone loves it,

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Speaker 3: I'm sharing with you. I would have, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 3: This is way before President Trump was elected, this is

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Speaker 3: Because you know that that's the interesting thing you you no, No,

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Speaker 3: I'd say, yes, you know, they had everything to do

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Speaker 3: or dismissed that obviously having proximity to them certainly had benefits.

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Speaker 3: But I'm talking in terms of not as a family member,

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Speaker 3: The person that ended up overthrowing me or trying to

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Speaker 3: We tried to recall that gentleman. Uh. He withstood the

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Speaker 3: I relinquished the position. This was in September January. He

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Speaker 3: I won that convention. My father never gave me a dime. Yes,

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Speaker 3: of course, you know he told whoever, would you know,

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, this is complex.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole there's a whole political book. Back to

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Speaker 2: King's Theater, which is so interesting because I think about

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Speaker 3: Know, Kingstead. It was just just a monument. It was inoperable.

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Speaker 2: So it has to feel amazing to be able to

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Speaker 3: Nation, respect the live nation. They had approached me early

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Speaker 3: But then when the King's Theater situation evolved, I said,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's and I didn't even when they kept

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's good being there.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're doing it there. And you have

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Speaker 2: like you said, Junior Mafia, I saw you what it is,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I said, but caes is my.

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Speaker 1: My brother is coming BK.

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Speaker 4: Ruby said well, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say

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Speaker 3: we're all good.

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Speaker 1: Only man can do stuff like Yeah, when when they

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Speaker 3: Whens came to Rikers Island, I took care of him.

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Speaker 1: He is a good guy. Yeah, and you know they

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Speaker 2: Think about being young teenagers on the same label and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we you know, once once that situation happened

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Speaker 2: What was it like going in and being so high

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Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it's the gift in the cursed, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Sure there were people that felt sorry for me. There

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Speaker 3: I prayed seven times a day, wrap out to filling,

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Speaker 3: for six months sun up to sundown, six months straight. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I did a lot in order to not just survive.

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Speaker 3: I put out a number one rap.

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Speaker 3: No, that's my second the second album, the second album

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Speaker 1: Why you put it out while you were number one gees?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was number one. I was on Usher's album

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Speaker 3: that sold over thirty million records and got a Grammy.

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Speaker 2: And people went hard for you to put that album

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Speaker 3: You know, we're having that discussion now as we talk

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Speaker 3: it's an attitude. It's a conviction. Uh, but you can

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Speaker 3: You know, but I would never say the things that

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Speaker 3: But I'm not so I'm not impressed with what he's saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't like him because he's talking that dope boy talk.

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Speaker 3: I'm impressed with his personality and the way he puts

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Speaker 3: Like he caught my attention, and I'm hard. I don't

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Speaker 3: my day to day. I'm more listening to you know,

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Speaker 3: Octane don Tolliver, you know, and then you know Protege

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Speaker 3: bring the boy wiz Kid, Like I'm.

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Speaker 1: I'm all over money.

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Speaker 2: He'll be at my coffee shop next week doing a

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Speaker 1: Just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brent Fryars. You know Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's more my Brys and Tiller.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so he broke through from to you just

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Speaker 3: what from Hey, I'm telling you all I have to

437
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: do is be shine. The content is irrelevant, but the

438
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: content for me, it's irrelevant. As far as skill and

439
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: as far as quality of product. It's significant for me

440
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: because I can't be dishonest. My art has always I'm

441
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: an artist. I've never been one of those people that

442
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 3: just made stuff up and just made you know, records

443
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: and went pop. I've always been an artist and so

444
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: I'll continue to do that.

445
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: So it feels like it's going to be global. Maybe

446
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: talks about ownership and things like that, I don't know.

447
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to because you you were already in

448
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: the studio with Doctor Dre. Have you gone in the

449
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: studio with Rizza already?

450
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: Or is that I have the music. I have the music,

451
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: and what happens is you don't get to go in

452
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: the studio to record with everyone because of scheduling conflicts.

453
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 3: But I've sat with most of the people come up

454
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: with the music. Uh, and then sometimes I'll go record and.

455
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: Then we'll example some of what you've recorded so far.

456
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: So like we know we have Timberland Swiss s beats.

457
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: Oh well I can't. It was just the conversation. But

458
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: it's the conversation that I'm having now. It's a retrospective

459
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: in the sense of their their questions that people might

460
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: have that I need to answer. It's prospective as to

461
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 3: how I see the world and and and what I

462
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: would like to see in the world in the future.

463
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: It's present, you know, commenting on you know, what is

464
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: happening around me having a conversation. But I would I

465
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: would liken it to more Bob Marley, you know, type

466
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: of electricity and energy where he was the roughest, toughest

467
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: talking about the world. He talked about his world, the

468
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: world and how he saw the world. And I'm saying

469
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: from a parliamentarian's perspective, a personal policymaker, to someone who

470
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: came from the gutter, who came from poverty, talking to

471
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: my young self, talking to the young people that are

472
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: looking at me having a conversation with this, There's so

473
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: much to say like you said, with the documentary, you

474
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: wanted to hear more. So there's different conversations to have

475
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: about my life retrospectively, introspectively and prospectively.

476
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: Now listen, another thing that went viral recently, Sean, because

477
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: I know this's got to be in the book.

478
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: So you went on with Cam and Mace.

479
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: One of the first questions Camera I asked you and

480
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: Mace was about Brandy. Brandy did not appreciate the conversation

481
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: that you guys had about her. As a matter of fact,

482
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: I might have her quote of what she posted because

483
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: she normally does not respond to anything. And ray J

484
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: I think probably made the issue a little worse with

485
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: his comments. But Brandy said in the late nineties, I

486
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: had a platon friendship with Rapper Shine. In an unfortunate

487
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: turn of events, that friendship is now being mischaracterized as

488
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: we dated unequivocally we did not. I'm not sure why

489
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: an untrue narrative about a scope of what was a

490
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: friendship more than twenty years ago is being reshaped during

491
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: his current media interviews. And so she had an issue

492
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: with you and Mace discussing her. Now, I felt like

493
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't tasteless. It wasn't like you guys degraded her

494
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: in any way. It was more like I didn't know

495
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: that you were dealing with her, and we don't know

496
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: if that relationship was intimate or if it was like

497
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: a I don't know what it was, but she didn't

498
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: appreciate it. So now and then ray J had some

499
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: things to say that were very wild.

500
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: But as far as Brandy, this is the same Brandy

501
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: that went on Oprah and said that she was married

502
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: when she wasn't and had to go back on Oprah

503
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: and apologize for lying because she felt that she had

504
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: to protect her image and then want to be a

505
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: mother out of wedlock. So Brandy has proven that she

506
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: would say whatever in order to protect whatever she thinks

507
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: should be her public PERSONA. I have never done that.

508
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: I never lie. I have no need to lie. And

509
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: the context in which I spoke about her was actually

510
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: giving her flowers and praising her. But nothing that I

511
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: said about my relationship interaction with her is untrue. It's

512
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: a trillion it's a trillion percent true. And in fact,

513
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: in the documentary I don't call her name, Clark Kent

514
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: calls her name and says, yeah, everybody knew Sean was

515
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: messing with Brandy. That's a known fact. Any person you

516
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: speak to from back then knew that. You know, there

517
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: was an interaction there simultaneous to the interaction with Mace.

518
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: That's just a fact. And I didn't bring it up

519
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: to say, ooh, you know I was seeing Brandy at

520
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: the same time Mace was seeing Brandy. You know, yeah,

521
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm a top shot for that. No. I brought it

522
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: up in the context of I shouldn't have done that

523
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: because I was just coming to the label and you know,

524
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: he was the superstar of the label. But initially I

525
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: really didn't know because their relationship was private, and she

526
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: didn't say anything. You know, when she invited me to

527
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: come see her in Los Angeles and I got on

528
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: a plane, she didn't say, oh, by the way, you

529
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: should know that. You know, but yes, because what I

530
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: was doing is I was, and something that I have

531
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: never done since because I learned my lesson and now

532
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: I'm one of the most private people on planet Earth.

533
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: I never talk about my personal life, my love life,

534
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: and I never post pictures of anyone that's just not

535
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: me in real life. I don't talk about, you know,

536
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: my intimate life to anyone because of that.

537
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: But I was because of that situation, of.

538
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: Course, yeah, because that that damaged the situation that it was.

539
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: You know, I can understand why you wouldn't want to

540
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: continue with someone because then it's like, yo, what are

541
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: you doing? And especially someone in her position. So yeah,

542
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: I was so excited. I was so excited that I

543
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: was interacting with her. I was telling, you know, a

544
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: mutual friend of Mace, and I not knowing that he

545
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: would go back and tell Mace until she came to

546
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: me and she's like, first.

547
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: Of all, so you were basically so would you say

548
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: you were the side piece?

549
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: You're getting me into further conundrum, quagmire of these labels.

550
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: All I will say is everything that I have said

551
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: is a trillion per se true. There's no cat with me.

552
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: There's no need for me to cap It's all true.

553
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: And the intent was not to be disrespectful.

554
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: And I'm feelings me saying that that you're my crush

555
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: and you're a dream come true? How could that be tasteless? Like?

556
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: How in what world and what planet? Now? Now you

557
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: being exposed for seeing two label mates at the same time.

558
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: I could understand maybe why she would want to revise

559
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: that truth, but it is the truth. And again I

560
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: never got into the details as to, you know, every

561
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: single moment and what was done and what was not.

562
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: I never even went there.

563
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting because it is in the documentary, like we

564
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: said two years ago. But I feel like, yeah, for

565
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: some reason, this turned into.

566
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: Because Mace, because Mace confirms it, and Mace is like, yeah,

567
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: you know. And and again if anyone knows Mace, and

568
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: even in the interview that I did with Mace, we

569
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily agree on everything. You know, Like his position

570
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: on Puff is a little bit more extreme than mind

571
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: because he feels like, you know what, you shouldn't even

572
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: be around him, you shouldn't even have reconnected with him

573
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: after what he did. And he's you know, he went

574
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: into a thing of, you know, blaming everyone for the

575
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: monster that Puff became because they never said anything. It's

576
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: a lot. So if I was capping, he would have

577
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: been like, nah, nah, pro I don't remember it like that.

578
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: I was. I was the only one special. He wasn't.

579
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't, I don't know. No, but

580
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: he said he I wanted to be special, and he

581
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: let me be specially.

582
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: I think maybe the Shaq and Kobe line. And that's

583
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: awesome in the documentary because you guys, but that was

584
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: just the fact.

585
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: And that, but but it was actually but that's another again.

586
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: You know, maybe her her idea of interacting with with

587
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: men is just different, right, So yeah, I guess her

588
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: and Kobe were platonic friends. Hermon wan Ye were platonic friends.

589
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: Her and Mace were platonic friends. No problem. You know.

590
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is, don't have me out here as

591
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: if I'm I'm lying, I'm making things up.

592
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous, Okay, I understood, And the intent was not

593
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: malicious though I didn't. I didn't get that from it,

594
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: not at all when I watched it. And all I'm

595
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: saying is, and it was in the documentary, like I said, and.

596
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: Said by Clark Kent. Yeah, I kept her identity private.

597
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: Clark Kent is the one that said it because he

598
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: said it's like a known fact. Rest in peace, Clark Kent.

599
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: Why would Clark Kent lie? Why would may slide? Again,

600
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: we can't say that about her if we're going to

601
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: be putting people's credibility into question, which is what I

602
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: feel her statement. Did. She's the only one that we

603
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: know that has lied about something very significant to the public.

604
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: I've never been accused of that. I've never done that.

605
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: You also did respond to ray J.

606
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was just having a little fun. Uh,

607
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: you know, I just just have this happened. I didn't.

608
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get into any details.

609
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: I just was having a little fun and I said

610
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: the truth. I did not hit first.

611
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw his post?

612
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Because I saw it and I have love for raising,

613
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: but I was like, Raisy, Yeah, but I think.

614
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: We all, we all, we all accept that he's having

615
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: some mental issues right now or some type of some

616
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: type of emotional whatever he's going through.

617
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you're like moving on.

618
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: Lay second Kings Big Brooklyn new album coming out November.

619
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Okay. So the album is coming out in November, and

620
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: what's the title, Honorable the Honorable? Okay, all right, And I.

621
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: Have another album coming out next.

622
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: Year, Memory coming out, and the Memoir come.

623
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: Out next year early next year, spring next year. Yeah,

624
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: then the the Rap Prime Minister still come out and

625
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: fall again.

626
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: You know, we got to give it up to Manny Haley.

627
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: I want to say that too, but being a person

628
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: that was there with you throughout this whole entire ordeal.

629
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: People talk about this music industry game and how wicked

630
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: it can be, and how people are fair weather when

631
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: it comes to your on top they're with you, then

632
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: something happens and everybody forgets about you.

633
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: But he literally put his house up to.

634
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: Get you out on bell when nobody was trying to

635
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: do that from the label. You couldn't even get anyone

636
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: to pick up the phone.

637
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And we're friends to this day, to this day,

638
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: and when I.

639
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: Go to California, always get together to this day.

640
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: One thing that I also loved learning about you was

641
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: how determined you were to get signed, like you were

642
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: going and showing up to five sixty State Street and

643
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: standing outside getting your CD thrown out by Jay Z.

644
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: Because he didn't physically throw the cet just roll the

645
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: window up. He just rolled the four point six, roll

646
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: the wind up and drove off. But yeah, I think

647
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: you know what. One of the reasons I wanted to

648
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: do the documentary as well is for inspirational purposes. I

649
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: do feel that people can look at my life and

650
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: they can draw from my life. Never give up never given, endure,

651
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: prey and your time will come, and I'm the poster

652
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: child for your time or will come, and that we

653
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: are invincible. I don't feel that I'm special, even though

654
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Mace thinks that I wanted to be special and let

655
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: me be special. I think we're all special. I think

656
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: we all have what I have. We just have to

657
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: dig deep inside and find it. And so that's a

658
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: part of the gift of entertainment, the gift of storytelling,

659
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 3: whether it be documentaries or movies or albums or this

660
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: platform right these instruments can be used to lift people up.

661
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: So if someone is listening right now that's having a

662
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: difficult time and they feel stuck, they feel overwhelmed, they

663
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: feel like why me, I've been there, and I pray

664
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: and I keep powering through. And when people ask me

665
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: what was the most difficult thing I ever did, it

666
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: was going from being poor in a single parent household,

667
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: having nothing but hope and a dream, to becoming shine.

668
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: Once I did that, there's nothing else that I couldn't do.

669
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 3: Chasing the Street team down, going to five sixty State Street.

670
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. It's in the documentary when I was

671
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: delivering packages and it was raining, and if you don't

672
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: deliver the packages when it rains, you get fired. And

673
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: like I was there at Barrack Street, right downstairs from

674
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: Deaf Jam, and I wanted to give up, and I

675
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: kept going, having the hope of tomorrow in mind that

676
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to be delivering packages

677
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: much longer. And you know, that's one of the reasons

678
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 3: I'm so grateful. And this is such a celebratory time

679
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: for me. That's why I may second it is so important.

680
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: That's why I'm returning to the stage. I'm not returning

681
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: to the stage to be famous or to be a

682
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: rapper per se, or to be a celebrity. I've moved

683
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: on from such existence. As I said, I'm in enlightenment.

684
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: So now I create music. I create experiences for human connection.

685
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: Like I love the people that love me. That love

686
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: has gotten me through knowing even in politics and believes

687
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: in politics and beliefs. I went through hell because of

688
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: being a deportee, being someone who's convicted once in their

689
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: entire life, that one thing at nineteen. They wouldn't let

690
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: me live it down until now finally, I'm like a

691
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: hero in my country because of the resilience because of

692
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: not turning my back after I lost and when I

693
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: started traveling the States again, even though I did it before,

694
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: I always mentioned belize, like right now, inviting you to come.

695
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: To believe and I want to go. Isn't that where

696
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: Ja Prince has.

697
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: His few islands.

698
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has thousands of acres.

699
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: Yes, he's doing the most out there.

700
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: But what do you think is tough for the rap

701
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: game or the politics game?

702
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: Uh? I would say it's it's a bit tougher for

703
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: me politically, But both are tough because both are dealing

704
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 3: with people and people's subjective opinion. So I think maybe

705
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: the question you're more targeting is the infrastructure, meaning the

706
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: business of politics and the business of music. And I

707
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: would say the business of politics is a bit more

708
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: challenging because we're in the business of music. At least

709
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: in hip hop music, people knew what lines not to

710
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: cross and politics and believe they were out the window

711
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: with no parachute, and uh, you know, they would really

712
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: test test your patients.

713
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: And be the most judgmental.

714
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: Well, I'm talking about the politicians, the fellow politicians judging everybody, well,

715
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: not just judging, butting fraud.

716
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Yes, and the are the ones doing right.

717
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: And doing things that will trigger you. But then I

718
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: don't want to be the politician to change uh the

719
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: climate and resort to things that are unlawful. Uh, you

720
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: know so, But it was tough because the way that

721
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: they did me, they did me dirty.

722
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: Do you sometimes think that things happened for your own protection?

723
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: Because and I know that sometimes a hard thing to consider,

724
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: but seeing how things have turned out now, right, and

725
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: you know, seeing where did he's at and the things

726
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: he's gone through when people saying why didn't the people around.

727
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: Him, you know, do X, Y and Z.

728
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: But and thank god you weren't around for any of

729
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: those things. But sometimes things happen and we can't explain it.

730
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: But in the grand scheme of things, it could have

731
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: been protecting protecting you from something worse.

732
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: That is a that is a possibility.

733
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

734
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: I think the decisions that we make create the life

735
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: that we receive. So I'm not sure. I don't necessarily

736
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: think God babies us. I think God wants us to

737
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 3: be creators and he allows us to make the choices.

738
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: So I had an unlicensed weapon, and so there are

739
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 3: consequences to that. I would never encourage any young person

740
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: listening to me now to have an unlicensed weapon. But

741
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: I was defending myself.

742
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: They kept saying, if you would just do the gun,

743
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is that possible, because when your prints

744
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: have been all over it and witness.

745
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, I accept that I was defending myself.

746
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: The reason I went to prison was because of puff

747
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily care to talk about it.

748
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: It's not about I know you've talked it exactly, but

749
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm just.

750
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: Making the point that he made a decision. He made

751
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 3: like we're all making choices.

752
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like God.

753
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: It's not like God is sitting up there like, oh,

754
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to let Shine go to jail so that

755
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: he's not a part of the free call. I wouldn't

756
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: have been a part of the free call, no matter what,

757
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: right I'm yeah, well no, I mean, listen, I'm not

758
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: here to judge. I'm just saying that wasn't me. I

759
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, Yeah, no, it wouldn't have been me.

760
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: But so I didn't need to go ten years to

761
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: be to be away from because if I was here

762
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: for ten years, I'd be a billionaire. That's how I

763
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 3: look at it. I look at the positives I would

764
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: I would have probably you know, been the other rapper

765
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: to win an oscar because my dream was to follow

766
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: the Tupac prototype of being an actor and a a rapper.

767
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: So so yeah, I don't look at it, but you know,

768
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: God knows best. So I just thank God for mercy

769
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: because I think we make choices and then we have

770
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 3: to figure out our life. We make choices. People make choices,

771
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: and then you have to make lemonade out of lemons

772
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: and you have to make the best of it.

773
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: When did forgiveness happen for you? Like, was there a

774
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: particular time when you were finally like, and I know

775
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: it's for you. It's like you said, it's not that

776
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: you forget, but forgiveness is necessary, so you're not holding on.

777
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: When I was in Israel, when I was in Jerusalem,

778
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: that's when I chose forgiveness. And it was a up

779
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: and down thing thereafter because after my interaction with him

780
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: in Paris. You know, remember there's a thing in the

781
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: in the lawsuit where Cassie talks about being in Paris

782
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: and him spending you know, a half a million dollars

783
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: because he has just put hands on her or whatever,

784
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: and so that's what he would do to make things

785
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: right and to cover up all that he was doing.

786
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 3: I didn't see him put hands on her. I didn't

787
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: see that the after results, but he definitely went. I

788
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: saw him one Saturday, went and spent like a half

789
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: a million dollars shopping and I was like, man, you

790
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: could have gave that to me for that ten years

791
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: that I did at least right anyway. But so I

792
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: think what happened when he and I. So there was forgiveness,

793
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: but then there was a period of expectation. It's like,

794
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: you sent me to prison, you're a billionaire or maybe

795
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: that time he wasn't at a billion, but he had

796
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: a couple hundred million, right, fine, So that led to,

797
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: you know what, just keep living my life but not

798
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: holding on to that, moving on as much as possible.

799
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: But when I really became liberated is when I didn't

800
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: even think about what he had.

801
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 4: And what he owed me as far as him owing

802
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 4: me his.

803
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: Life, because I feel I saved his life. Once I

804
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: got to that space, that is when I was able to,

805
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, interact with him because I didn't expect anything

806
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: from him and I knew better, and I know who

807
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: he is, and it's like, well, you know what, if

808
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: he begged me to perform at the BET Awards, that

809
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: was him, that wasn't me. I was actually offended when

810
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: he asked me. I was like, I'm not a rapper.

811
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be the Prime Minister. Believe what are

812
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: you doing to me? I already have to struggle with

813
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: these people that call me a deportee, called me a criminal,

814
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: and think that I'm just a rapper and I don't

815
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: know about policy and education and healthcare and economic development,

816
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: Like why would you even ask me that? But the

817
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: only reason I did it was because I said, well listen,

818
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: if I'll do it, it's because of Belize. I'm going

819
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: to you know, I need that big flag on the

820
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: stage and everything has to be Belize, and you know,

821
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: we need to talk about how you're going to work

822
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: to help believe. And that was how I looked at

823
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: that relationship. Yeah. So so he's the one that kept

824
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: asking me to.

825
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: Do things because it makes him look better too.

826
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: Whatever it was, But I just thought about believes. So

827
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: when people said, well, why were you on the stage

828
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: with him? Believe right? It was it was an opportunity.

829
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: And and also I won't I won't deny it wasn't

830
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: in a sense of a full circle moment. Whereas now

831
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: he's needing me, he keeps asking me to help him.

832
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: Maybe he knew what was in the pipeline as far

833
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: as the case and the charges and the accusations. Maybe

834
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: he knew something and he was I don't want to

835
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: go that far. I wasn't even thinking that. I was

836
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: just thinking, here it is. And if you look at

837
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: how that my performance ends, it really ends, you know,

838
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: us face to face, you know, me saluting him, him

839
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: saluting me. And that was a moment, and that that's

840
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: what the documentary is so beautiful, because I'm the victor,

841
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: I triumph. I got nothing from him, and I made

842
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: myself and I was able to thrive despite that. And

843
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: now I'm in a position where he needs me to

844
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: celebrate his legacy. Because there are many bad boy artists,

845
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: you know, but I was one of them. I could

846
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: they could have excluded me.

847
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: You know, Belize is so important to you.

848
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and so if somebody's never been to Belize and

849
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: they're listening right now and they're like, you know what

850
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: I'm listening to? I want to go to Belize, what

851
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: would you where would you tell them to go? Where

852
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: would you tell them to stay? Just because I know

853
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: people are thinking about planning travel and.

854
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so San Pedro. San Pedro is one of my

855
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: favorite places. Placentia is another one of my favorite places.

856
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: Hopkins another one of my favorite places as far as

857
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: where I would recommend to go visit that have the

858
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: resorts that I stay if you're into the because in

859
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: my older age, as I've evolved and matured, I like

860
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: the river. I'm I'm a beach person. First, it's beach,

861
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: that salt water, that Caribbean sea, that Belizean sea. But

862
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: as I've gotten older, I appreciate, uh the river jungle vibe.

863
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: It makes me feel like I'm in the Garden of Eden. Yeah.

864
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: So there's this one place in in Cayo, So Cayo

865
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: is where I would go. That's in the west and

866
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: uh in San Ignacio, uh called Kana. It feels like

867
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: the Garden of Eden and yeah, and they have the

868
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: plunge pools and they could take you to the river. Yeah.

869
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: But so those are my places, San Pedro, Placentia, Hopkins,

870
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: uh Kana. Yeah, and make sure that you visit the

871
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: Maya temples.

872
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, right there.

873
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very very very spiritual, very very spiritual, very

874
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: powerful and pactful. The food is so delicious and and

875
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: so all those places I name are in different parts

876
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: of Belize. So San Pedro is in the north, in

877
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: Amberger's Key, Placentia is in the south, in stan Creek,

878
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 3: Hopkins is in stan Creek. Uh. San Ignacio is in

879
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: the Cayo District. That's in the west. So that is

880
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: what is so divine about Belize. The multi dimensionalism is

881
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: just enthralling. You get a different experience everywhere. Nothing is

882
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: the same. What you're going to experience in San Pedro

883
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: is different than what you're experience right now.

884
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: Like, okay, let's go to Belize, girl.

885
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the food is delicious, but different tasts everywhere. You know,

886
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: we have the Garyfund of food, we have the Creole food,

887
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: we have the Spanish food, we have everything.

888
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: It's just and as you're thinking about your new projects.

889
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: We want to do resorts. That's why I'm not naming

890
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: any resorts right now, because you know, I want I

891
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: want you to stay. I want you to stay at

892
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: my resort. But I named one that that yeah, because

893
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: I'm not going out there. I'm not going to Cayo yet.

894
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: I want to start with San Pedro and Placentia and

895
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: maybe maybe Hopkins dan Griga is nice too.

896
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Like we're taking notes.

897
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: Yes, if ever, if ever a time to visit, A

898
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: good time to visit. These are the two good times

899
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: I would tell people to visit, besides New Year's September,

900
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: which is the most important month in the Belizian calendar

901
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: because it is the month of our independence, September twenty first,

902
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: and it is the month of the Battle Saint George's Key,

903
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: which is when we the enslaved Africans joined forces with

904
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: the British Enslavers and they defeated the Spanish, and that

905
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: is how we got on the pathway to become independent.

906
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: And that's September tenth. And right before that is Carnival out. Yes,

907
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: a carnival is emerging. We're not Trinidad yet, we're not Barbados,

908
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: but it's definitely emerging. It's a great experience, wonderful, beautiful people,

909
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: beautiful women. Yeah, so that would be a good time

910
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: to visit. A lot of concerts, a great opportunity to

911
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 3: experience the culture, and you know, you could go around

912
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: the country. You can go to San Pedro and the

913
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: city's fifteen minutes away by plane. Placentia would be a

914
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 3: little further. It's a forty five minute flight from the city.

915
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, the next time to visit would be November eighteenth,

916
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: nineteenth because that is Garifuna Settlement Day. My ancestors are

917
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: Garyfuna on my mother's side, Garyfuna. They're African people, you know,

918
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: that mixed with Arawak in Saint Vincent and they were

919
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: expelled and then they went to Honduras and Guatemala and Belize.

920
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 3: But their Garyfuna Settlement Day is amazing because what they

921
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: do is they re enact when the boat came to Belize,

922
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: and so we talk about culture. And then what's so

923
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: beautiful about and that is in dan Grega, that is

924
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 3: in stand Quick as well, but a place called dan Griga.

925
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 3: What is so beautiful about dan Griga is they still

926
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: speak Garyfuna. So that is a you travel into time

927
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: so to still hear original African lang which mixed with

928
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 3: the Irawuak and they mix some Spanish with it because

929
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: obviously they settle in the Spanish, but it's African. They

930
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: still wear the African Garbo. Outside of that November that's

931
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: in November, November eighteenth, nineteenth. It's nineteenth is the day,

932
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: but then the celebration starts on the eighteenth because they

933
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: celebrate all day and they stay up all night until

934
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: the boat comes in.

935
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: So it feels like we're going to believe. Yeah to beliez, you.

936
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: Just let me know. I'm sure. I work very closely

937
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 3: with the Ministry of Tourism. I know they would love

938
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 3: to have someone like you down there, and so you

939
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: just got to tell us when you want to come.

940
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: All right, girls, yeah.

941
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: You should actually do lip service, lip service and belize.

942
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: All right, imagine to talk about somethings on on the.

943
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: Beach drinking some cabinet. I don't know what you and

944
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: the ladies be drinking.

945
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that camp champagne. What's the what's the drink?

946
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: What do people drinking? Belize? Like, what's the rum? Rum?

947
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm down with that, yeah, rum punt. Well listen, Sean,

948
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. May second King's Theater, Brooklyn. We outside,

949
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: flat wish we are flat, wish we're outside. And this

950
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: is you headlining too, a headlining tour which is something

951
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: you haven't had a chance to.

952
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 3: Do before, unfortunately, but thank god we can correct that now.

953
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: All right, we're outside. Well, thank you so much. I

954
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: appreciate you. The honorable coming out when.

955
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 3: The honorable album is coming out in November.

956
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: November, okay, which is an important month in Belize too,

957
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: so ed your birthday, Well, thank you so much for

958
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: coming through.

959
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

960
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: You gotta come back and we gotta This was fun

961
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: for me and I love talking about politics. But I'm

962
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: excited to travel to Belize. So all right, and congratulations

963
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: on everything. Honestly, like watching your journey, that is just

964
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: remarkable to see where you are today after everything that

965
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: you've been through. But we appreciate your being so open

966
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: about everything and transparent than you.

967
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: You're special.

968
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: Thank you, Belief.

969
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: Don't let anybody tell you not.

970
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: Yep.