1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of My Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: your host A Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show we are 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: doing another listener question episode. But first I have an announcement. 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: So I am actually undergoing a big move to a 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: new place physically in the world, which means I have 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: to take a few weeks off so I can get 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: all my stuff and a big old bundle and a 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: big old backpack and start trekking my way all the 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: way across the country. Uh. So that means I will 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: need a few weeks off to do everything. But do 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: not worry, I will be back. I am still going 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: to do the podcast, and in fact, I will be 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: back for a new season. I don't now that I'm 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: recording this, I don't remember what season we are. I 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: think it's season three. I think it's season three. So 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: season three is coming up. It is gonna premiere on 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: September eight. But before you panic thinking or what the heck, 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: how what am I gonna do with that creature feature 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: between now and September eight, Well, don't you worry. I'm 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: going to have during this time. Uh, some listener question 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: episodes just like this one. I'm also going to have 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: some old episodes that I am going to dig up 24 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: from the way back is the pod closet, These old tapes, 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: old dusty old tapes, you know, wipe the dust off 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: of them, gonna re upload them, do some do some 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: little fix ups, little edits here and there with little 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: little intros and yes, so just some of my favorite 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: episodes that I've done over the years that I'm going 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: to revitalize, do a little spit shine on so you 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: can listen to them. So I will still be putting 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: out episodes every week until we're back. But yeah, I 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: I really appreciate everybody for listening to the podcast all 34 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: this time. Now I'm so excited for season three. I've 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: got got big plans, big plans, just big elephant sized plans. 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: It's not like an actual elephant. I'm not going to 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: have an elephant on the show. I really looked into 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: that option though, I gave it serious thought, but unfortunately, 39 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: it's hard to get a mic stand to the level 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: of an elephant and get getting all the levels right. 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: It's really hard. If you do any audio editing, you 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: know how hard it is. To do a podcast with 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: an elephant's very difficult. But other than that, I I 44 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: have some some good plans, some fun, fun new segments 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: I think we can do on the show. So I'm 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: very excited and I cannot wait to come back for 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: season three. And in the meantime, please enjoy the listener 48 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: question at a sods and my old episodes because they 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: are some of my favorites. I think you'll really like them. 50 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: So let's get right into the listener questions, you guys. 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: So this week for listener questions, I thought I would 52 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: focus on a theme, and that theme it's pets. We 53 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: love our pets, but not just the kiddies and the doggies. 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: We love all pets. And here's the first question. It 55 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: is from James on Twitter, who wrote to me, what's 56 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: up with the cutest animal? Hermit Crabs? So? I had 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: a hermit crab as a pet when I was a kid, 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: and I gotta say, not the best pet. I loved it, 59 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: I really did love it. But it's favorite thing to 60 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: do was crawl inside my armpit, pinched my skin and 61 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: not let go until I literally had to use tweezers 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: too delicately, Priy, its claws open so it would release me, 63 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: which you know, I don't think was fun for either 64 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: me or the hermit crab, to be honest, but I didn't. 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Maybe it was trying to see if my arm pit 66 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: could be its new home. Was hoping. Maybe I don't know. Also, 67 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: if you have a hermit crab as a pet, it 68 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: actually requires a lot of care to keep it healthy 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: and alive. You need to provide new, bigger shells for 70 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: it as it grows. It needs moisture, it needs food, 71 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: it needs space. Uh. If you're ever looking into getting 72 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: a pet, even one as simple as a hermit crab, 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: definitely do a lot of research beforehand so you know 74 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: you have the right environment and the right resources for it. 75 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Because they are delicate creatures. Despite their hard looking exterior, 76 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: they're actually quite soft on the inside, as you will 77 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: find as we discuss so. Hermit crabs are a family 78 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: of very interesting crustaceans that famously do not grow their 79 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: own shells. Instead of investing in armor, they grow themselves. 80 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Like most of their decapod cousins, like crabs and lobsters, 81 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: hermit crabs don't armor their abdomens and instead rely on 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the protection of abandoned shells from ed molluscs, So why 83 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: invest your own resources into something you can scavenge. This 84 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: is the strategy of the hermit crab. Its claws and 85 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: fore limbs have a hard exoskeleton, but it's abdomen is 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: soft and curls inwards to one side. Kind of looks 87 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: like a little macaroni noodle attached to this hermit crab. 88 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: It can be quite surprising to see the actual body 89 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: of a hermit crab if you've never seen that. So 90 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: this curled shape allows it to anchor itself into an 91 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: abandoned spiraling shell. Hermit crabs are both land dwelling and 92 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: marine dwelling. Uh there are some hermit crabs that have 93 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: specially adapted for the land and some who mostly spend 94 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: their time in the ocean. So land dwelling hermit crabs 95 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: can breathe as long as their gills are kept moist, 96 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: whereas primarily marine dwelling hermit crabs. They can breed for 97 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: a limited amount of time if their gills are moist, 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: but mostly they do the water. So as hermit crabs grow, 99 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: they must find new, bigger shells. So normally, if you 100 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: have another decapod another crustacean. They have that hard exoskeleton 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: that they will grow out of. So what they do 102 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: is they crack that old exo skeleton, they shed it, 103 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: they hide while they grow their new exoskeleton. Hermit crabs 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: instead of doing that, they exit their old shell that 105 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: they scavenge from some other mollusk, and then they find 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: a new shell that some dead mollusk left behind and 107 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: they use that as their new upgraded home as they grow. 108 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Often uh they use the shells of sea snails, but 109 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: other shells will do as well. Some hermit crab species 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: will even use chunks of dead wood or immobile structures 111 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: such as abandoned coral Hermit crabs will often compete with 112 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: other hermit crabs over idea eel shells, but sometimes there 113 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: is a fair amount of cooperation that is truly incredible 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: to see. So if a hermit crab finds a shell 115 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: that is a bit too large, it will actually hold 116 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: onto that shell and return to its original cramped shell, 117 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and then it waits for a hermit crab to approach 118 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: the large shell if it fits this newcomer. That means 119 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: that the first hermit crab can have the larger crabs 120 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: old home, which is probably going to be the perfect 121 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: size for this hermit crab. I imagine you go to 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: the store and you're buying a pair of jeans and 123 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: you find a pair of jeans that's just one size 124 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: too big for you, but you hold onto them. And 125 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: someone comes up to you who's a little bigger than you, 126 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: and they've got some old jeans that they've grown out 127 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: of that would probably fit you perfectly, And you're like, hey, 128 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: what about these genes that are a little bit too 129 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: big for me? And so you swap jeans. Now you 130 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: have a pair of jeans that fits perfectly, but also 131 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: you live in of jeans and you never leave the 132 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: jeans until you get bigger, which now that I'm talking 133 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: about has kind of been my lifestyle lately. But anyways, 134 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: So what this results in is a congo line of 135 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: hermit crabs who are exchanging shells with each other. So 136 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: it's this chain of hermit crabs trading homes one size up. 137 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: So it's like, all right, I've got a shell, it's 138 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: too small for me. I found a shell it's too 139 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: big for me. You're big enough for this new shell. 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: You take off your old chill, I take that I 141 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: don't need my old smaller shell. And then a smaller 142 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: hermit crab is going to see that and say like, 143 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: oh well, I can take this even smaller shell and 144 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: shed my shell. And then a smaller hermit crab was like, 145 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: oh okay, but now I can get this shell. So 146 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: lines of hermit crabs trading houses. The next h G 147 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: TV reality show swapping hermit shell houses coming to a 148 00:08:53,320 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: TV in some kind of ocean near you. Here is 149 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: another email about Pet's fellow Katie. First of all, I 150 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: love your show so much. I'm excited for the week's topic. 151 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. I've always loved animals and science classes so 152 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: much that a lot of my time I've spent researching 153 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: random animals of my own actually have a question for 154 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: you or the pod. I have a cockatial named Cora, 155 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: and she is just full of radiant personality, like hissing 156 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: at me for looking in her direction and adoring my mom. 157 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I was wondering if she may actually experience spite and 158 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: keep track of people's actions parents similar to Corvid's thriving 159 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: group living and can communicate a lot to each other 160 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: and seem to experience a wide array of emotions, so 161 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: I think she may be experiencing more than the simple 162 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: observed risk aversions. Thank you so much for your amazing 163 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: and hilarious content on Creature Future. You really make my 164 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: week all the time. All thank you so much. And 165 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: this is from Anthony, and Anthony sent me a bird 166 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: hacks uh who who. He reassured me that that Cora 167 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: is a vet certified to be a beefy lady. She 168 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: is larger relative to other cockatils and with muscle in 169 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,479 Speaker 1: a tiny bit of stomach pudge, but she's healthy and beautiful. 170 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for this picture of the cute chunk of 171 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: feathers that is Cora. Amazing, beautiful, glorious, radiant. So you 172 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: are correct. Cockatiels and other parrots are highly social and 173 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: extremely intelligent. In fact, this means that, as you probably 174 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: know Anthony, having one as a pet is a massive commitment. 175 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: They require constant social attention and affection and experience very 176 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: complex social emotions. So in terms of your question, is 177 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: it experiencing spite does it have these sort of more 178 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: sophisticated emotions, I would say that's very likely. Studies have 179 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: demonstrated that cockatiels have a deep under standing of complex 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: cognitive concepts such as object permanence. Object permanence is something 181 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: that humans have to learn as young babies. They we 182 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: go through a period of time where we have to 183 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: learn about object permanence as we grow into toddlerhood. So 184 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: the fact that cockatiels have this sense of object permanence 185 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: is very promising for their intelligence. Cockatils do hiss, as 186 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned, and typically hissing is to express annoyance, although 187 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: there is an exception. Male cockatiels will sometimes hiss as 188 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: part of their courtship rituals. So if it looks at 189 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: you and hisses, has definitely given you some attitude. So 190 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: cockatils in the wild demonstrate complex social behaviors. They are 191 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: endemic to Australia, meaning that's the only place that they 192 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: are found in the wild. They're one of the smaller 193 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: members of the cockatoo family. They have a yellow face 194 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: and a crest and rosy red cheeks and a gray 195 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: body plumage. They are highly social. They live at least 196 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: in pairs, if not in large flocks. Sometimes up to 197 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: a hundred cockatiels can flock together. They use their crests 198 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: as a way to signal their emotions. Perked up crests, 199 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: that little little the crest is that little feathery whoop 200 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: on top of their head, if you know what I'm 201 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: talking about, the little, the little lootle bopper right on 202 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: top of their head. It's adorable. Perked Up crests can 203 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: indicate excitement, while flattened crests can indicate anger or defensiveness. 204 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: But there are less obvious angles of the crest, such 205 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: as nearly flat but kind of sticking out in the back, 206 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: which males sometimes do to appear attractive to females, like 207 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: they're doing slick back hair or something. Sometimes they have 208 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: the crest at like a forty five degree angle when 209 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: they're relaxed. It can be hard as a human to 210 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: always read a cockatiel's crest expressions, but if you can 211 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: get a handle of it, you will be able to 212 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: better understand your cockateal. If you're thinking about adopting a cockatiel, 213 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: I would really research them because they can live to 214 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: be over twenty five years old, and they need a 215 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: lot of space to exercise outside the cage and huge 216 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: amounts of lug and attention. I think in some ways, 217 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: intelligent birds like a cockateal can be a bigger commitment 218 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: than a dog, and certainly other parrot species can be 219 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: a much much bigger commitment because they live such a 220 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: long time and they're like I've said this before, but 221 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: it's like a two year old's brain for some of 222 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: these birds, like cockatoos and parrots and macause, it's like 223 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: putting a two year old's brain in a dinosaur's body 224 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: with a very powerful beak that can break through nuts. 225 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: So you've got to really think about if you want 226 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: to deal with that responsibility. Cockatels are a little easier 227 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: to take care of than something like a cockatoo, but 228 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: there's still a huge commitment. Like I said, they can 229 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: live to be over twenty five years old, and they 230 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: need so much social attention. You need to have that 231 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: time to be able to give them that love and attention. Uh. 232 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Budgies or parakeets as they're called, are less intensive. They 233 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: still need socialization. They're going to be the happiest if 234 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: you have them in a group or in pairs, but 235 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: they don't live as long, they don't need as much space. 236 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: They live to be about five to eight years old. 237 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: So if you really love birds, but you don't think 238 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: you have the time commitment for a cockatial I would 239 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: advise getting something like a like a finch or or um. 240 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, but if you really want that social interaction 241 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: with a bird, but you you're maybe kind of a 242 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: little concerned about having the commitment of something like a cockateal. 243 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: Parakeets are highly social, but they aren't quite as they 244 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: don't live as long as they don't need as much 245 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: as a cockatil does. But they still need attention and 246 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: they really do like to be in pairs. They really 247 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: enjoy each other's company. Large cockatoos, such as the sulfur 248 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: crusted cocka two, can be a huge responsibility. It is 249 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: like having a screaming dinosaur with a toddler brain, and 250 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: they can live to be over sixty years old. So 251 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: if you're interested in owning a bird, really do a 252 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: lot of research and think about whether your lifestyle will 253 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: work with the needs of these little flying literal dinosaurs. Um. 254 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you have the resources, time, and emotional 255 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: capacity to take care of a cockatil, they can be 256 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: extremely affectionate, very rewarding, and form a very intense bond 257 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: with you. It is absolutely right or die with birds. 258 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: I am a huge lover with birds, but I know 259 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: my limitations. I don't think I could ever own a 260 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: bird more complicated than a finch um with my current lifestyle, 261 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: even though I have a dog and she requires a 262 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: lot of attention. But that's part of it. God, this 263 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: would be such a jealous household if I had to 264 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: manage the emotional needs of my dog and of a bird. 265 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: Oh the drama. Well, I'm avoiding that time to talk 266 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: about cats. It's cats times. Sometimes I feel like I 267 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: don't talk about cats enough. I love cats. I'm a 268 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: currently a dog owner. I want to get a cat 269 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: because my dog seems to accept the presence of cats, 270 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: and she actually likes cats a lot more than she 271 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: likes other dogs. So big cat lover grew up with cats. 272 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: So I'm delighted to answer this email about cats. Hi, Katie, 273 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: I've been meaning to write for ages to tell you 274 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: how much I enjoy your podcast. Thank you, it was 275 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: especially helpful during the pandemic. I'm so glad. I'm really 276 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: happy to hear that. Here are a few photos of 277 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: my current kitties, Pangaia and Physic wonderful names. Pangaea, my 278 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: eight year old female is the smaller dilute tortoiseshell one, 279 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: and Physics seven year old male is a larger, buff 280 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: colored cat. I've seen these cats. I can confirm to 281 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: you the listener, they are adorable. So I have a 282 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: couple of cat related questions. When Pangia plays, she often 283 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: likes turning her head so she's looking at me up 284 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: side down. Any idea why that's a good angle. She 285 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: also makes little noises during the day, not me owing 286 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: except when she wants my attention, but little grunts and 287 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: other small noises, kind of like she's muttering to herself. 288 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: I have a friend who has a cat who makes 289 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: similar noises, but until these two, I hadn't run into 290 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: cats who made noises like that. Do you know if 291 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: there might be any meaning behind it? Thanks again for 292 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: your podcast, Erica. Thank you so much, Erica, not only 293 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: for your kind words, but your beautiful pictures of your 294 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: wonderful little kitty cats and for your cool question. I 295 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: love kitties. I, like I said, I had cats growing up. 296 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm probably riddled with toxoplasmosis. Uh, that's probably why I 297 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: love cats so much. But anyways, as someone who loved 298 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: both dogs and cats, I really enjoy noting the difference 299 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: between these two animals. Dogs co evolved with us in 300 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: a way that makes it almost intuitive for us to 301 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: communicate a dog's body expressions, I think are pretty easily 302 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: read by a human. Uh. And dogs have gotten undergone 303 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: these immense changes from when they're wolves. But cats, they 304 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: basically figured, I'm already perfect. I don't need to change 305 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: for you humans, Like I'm gonna stay as cat as 306 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: I can be. So once we started having a grarian 307 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: society's cats noticed all the rodent problems we had with 308 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: our grain. Like I noticed you got a mouse problem. 309 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: I can take care of them, maybe for a little 310 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: dish of milk, you know, just asking for a little 311 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: a little bit off the top of your milk, and 312 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: I can take care of your mouse problem, no problem. 313 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's how we formed this mutually beneficial 314 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: relationship with these cute little murder beasts. So uh. They 315 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: were good for our grain supplies, probably good at preventing 316 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: the spread of disease by killing rats and mice. And 317 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: we had this, we formed a business partnership. So that's 318 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: why house cat behavior is not all that different from 319 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the behaviors of wild felines, they really didn't have to 320 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: evolve much to be accepted into human society. They're kind 321 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: of lifestyle worked with ours, whereas with wolves, wolves are 322 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: much more aggressive. They're they're kind of lifestyle as wolves 323 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: in the wild didn't really jell as well with humans. 324 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: So wolves had to go undergo a domestication in order 325 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: to fit into our lifestyle. And so that's why a 326 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: dog is. Their behavior and their appearance is much more 327 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: different from a wolf than say a domesticated cat or 328 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: a I guess a house cat, compared to say, like 329 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: a wildcat. You may see some species of wildcat. You 330 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: look at a cat, it's like, well, their coat color 331 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: is kind of different, but they're basic attitudes and and 332 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: uh behaviors are are pretty similar. Now that's not to 333 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: say wildcats are just like housecats that you can pick 334 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: up in love and they'll be perfectly fine. No, but 335 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: they are. Their behavior can be remarkably s miller and 336 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: uh that's why some of their quirks are just so 337 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: strange to us and so hard to understand what they're doing. 338 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: You may be baffled when a cat rolls over on 339 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: its back it exposes it's belly. You think, oh, you 340 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: want a belly rub. You try to rub the belly. Nope, 341 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: it was a trap. Now you've got an angry cat 342 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: scratching your eyes out. Uh. When dogs roll over onto 343 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: their backs, we think, okay, it's a belly rub, and 344 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: they often are asking for a belly rubs. But in 345 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: cat language, it's like cats are speaking Greek and we're speaking, uh, 346 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: some other language than Greek. It's so hard to understand them. 347 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: When cats roll over onto their back, uh, it may 348 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: be a signal that hey, I trust you. Uh. It 349 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: rarely means they actually want belly rubs. Some cats might. 350 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: You know, cats have very different personalities. Some of them 351 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: will be real oddballs. Like I had two cats growing up. 352 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: One was, you're very classic like grumpy cat. She was, 353 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: she had an attitude, she had pride. She was gray, paceful, 354 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: a great hunter, and she would flame mice in front 355 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: of my eyes, and she would accept pets if I 356 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: did them in a very respectful way. My other cat 357 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: couldn't kill a fly. He was a goof as he 358 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: was scared of his own shadow. And he uh would 359 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: want to like sit on my chest with his face 360 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: in my face every morning. So just very different behaviors 361 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: from different cats, um, but generally speaking, a cat rolling 362 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: on its back means it's comfortable with you, and it's 363 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: showing you it's belly because it's saying like, hey, you know, 364 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not afraid you're going to attack my belly 365 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna like get me in these sensitive areas, 366 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: so it's comfortable. In terms of cats turning their heads 367 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: upside down, sometimes a friendly cat will turn their head 368 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: upside down and like rub it on the ground because 369 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: they are leaving a pheromone marking on the things that 370 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: they feel at home with. But your cat is just 371 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: sitting there with its head like turned upside down and 372 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: it's not rubbing anything, and it's just looking at you. 373 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: I don't really know what that means. My best guess 374 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: is your cat is curious about what you're doing, and 375 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: she's trying to get another angle on you, just trying 376 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: to get a different view of different perspective to maybe 377 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: better figure out like what's going on with you. Especially 378 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: if she's playful, she may be trying to get sort 379 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: of a new perspective of what you're doing, playing around, 380 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: having a good time, getting a getting a good view 381 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: as for muttering around the house. So this is another 382 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: thing where it's really remarkable to me. Different cats often 383 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: make different vocalizations. I had a cat who would chirp 384 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: at birds, whereas the other one really wouldn't as much. 385 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: But cats do chatter at birds. Uh. The reason they 386 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: do this is something of a mystery. There's a number 387 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: of theories. It could be excitement, it could be frustration 388 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: and not being able to chase the bird. It could 389 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: be a form of mimicry. There's a there's a cat, 390 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: a wildcat called the margart cat, which is it looks 391 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: kind of like an awful lot if you know what 392 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: that looks like. It's sort of got rounded ears, a 393 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: spotted pelt. It's one of the it's a smaller wildcat 394 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: but weighs up to about eight pounds or four kilograms, 395 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: and it lives in Central America, Brazil, Paraguay and sort 396 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: of tropical UH forests. And it mimics the sound of 397 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: a crying baby monkey. So they actually love to eat 398 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: uh monkeys, small mammals, and so they will mimic this 399 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: cry of a pied tamar and baby So pied tamar 400 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: is very little monkey, very cute um, but for the 401 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: margar it's a wonderful meal. So they will pretend to 402 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: be the sound like this little crying monkey, and then 403 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: that seems to cause other monkeys to go out to 404 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: investigate and oops, it was a trap. It's actually pretty 405 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: insidious when you think about it. The cat is pretending 406 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: to be a crying baby, and then when the monkeys 407 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: go and investigate because they want to help, they get eaten. 408 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: Quite devilish. But in terms of house cats, we don't 409 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: know if they chirp to try to attract birds. That's 410 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: not not anything proven, but we do see in the 411 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: wild that there there is an example of a wildcat 412 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: that does use its vocalization is a form of mimicry, 413 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: so that is that is potentially possible. Another theory is 414 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: that cats have an instinctive activation of the throat and 415 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: mouth muscles when they see prey because that's what they 416 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: use to like bite the prey. So they're making this 417 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: a little like chirping squeaking sound because they want to 418 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: bite it, which I don't know if that's true, but 419 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: whatever the case is, it's very cute. Uh. In terms 420 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: of your cat just kind of muttering, not in the 421 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: presence of birds, just kind of stomping around the house 422 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: and muttering to itself. Uh, there's a variety of meetings 423 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: for cat grunts. Some cats are just more vocal than 424 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: other cats. They'll just make noises when they move, and 425 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: it's hard to know exactly what that is. You kind 426 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: of have to use context for what their little grunts mean. 427 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: If the cat is content and happy, they're probably just 428 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: making happy little noises just you know, cats like to 429 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: Cats like to make noises when they're happy. Sometimes they 430 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: do a little meal, sometimes they prayer. Sometimes they can 431 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: just like little make little grunts. So it could be 432 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: a sign there just chilling, having a good time, just 433 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: almost like whistling to itself or something. Uh. If the 434 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: cat is uncomfortable, she may be voicing annoyance or displeasure. 435 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: So in order to understand the cat lingo, you've kind 436 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: of got to take in the cat's body language. In general, 437 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: vibe you gotta vibe check your cat all the time. 438 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: Vibe checking a cat is a complex procedure, uh, multifaceted operation. 439 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Best of luck to you vibe checking your cats. But 440 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: from what I can tell from these photos, these are 441 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: happy kitties and they're probably baby making, happy little grunts. 442 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: So thank you guys so much for tuning into my 443 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: Pets Listener Questions episode. If you have a question about 444 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: your pet or about an animal, about a strange creature 445 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: that's been stalking you in the night, send me your 446 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: questions at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. You 447 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: can find me on Instagram at Creature Feature Pod. You 448 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: can also find me on Twitter at Creature feet Pod. 449 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: That's not et that is something very different. And if 450 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: you're enjoying the show and you leave a rating and review, 451 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: I read all the reviews and I appreciate them. I 452 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: really do. And of course, as always, thanks for the 453 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: Space classics where they're super awesome. Song excel Lumina. And 454 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: again we will be back for season three. Yeah, I 455 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: think it's season three on September eight, with all new episodes, 456 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: all new animals, all new terrifying stories about about creatures. Yeah. 457 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: So I can't wait to see see you guys again. 458 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: And I mean that because I've got all sorts of 459 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: spies all over the world. That you see a bird outside, 460 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: that's probably me spying on you with my spy birds. 461 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: You can't wait to see you guys again for season 462 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: three and uh but again. In the meantime, we've got 463 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: oldies but goodies that I'm refurbishing, fit shining for you 464 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: to listen to. Uh so stay tuned for those. Creature 465 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: features a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 466 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: like the one you just heard, visit the I Heart 467 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or Hey, guess what where have 468 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: you listened to your favorite shows? 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