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Speaker 1: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Heather MacDonald, Manhattan Institute, fellow author of When Race,

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Speaker 1: Trump's Merit and the War on Cops, particularly apro pos

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Speaker 1: in the light of today's discussion here. Heather, always great

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Beck, It's great to be with

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Speaker 2: you guys.

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Speaker 1: So you must be watching this debate play out over

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Speaker 1: specifically the DC crime rate, but more broadly. Obviously, this

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Speaker 1: brings in a lot of arguments that you've heard from

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Speaker 1: the other side in the past and counter arguments that

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Speaker 1: you've been making. Are you surprised that it seems that

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Speaker 1: so many national level democrats have fallen into the trap

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Speaker 1: of defending the indefensible, which is the DC crime rate.

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Speaker 2: What's your perspective on this, Well, I think this is

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest moments of the Trump presidency. His

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Speaker 2: August eleventh Liberation Day speech just sent chills down my spine,

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Speaker 2: and I mean in a good way. Words like we

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Speaker 2: are we are not going to let it happen anymore.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to take it. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: lose our cities. We're taking our capital back. He has

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Speaker 2: finally broken fully with the dominant ideology in America, which

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Speaker 2: is to normalize the unacceptable, to define deviancy down and

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying, we are no longer going to make

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Speaker 2: excuses for crime. This is something we can control. The

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Speaker 2: Democrats have spent decades trying to write this off, to say, well,

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Speaker 2: it's just kind of a normal aspect of cities. A

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Speaker 2: lot of this, almost entirety of the criminal justice discourse

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Speaker 2: of course played the race card here, so no, I'm

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Speaker 2: not surprised. It has just brought out their innate tendencies

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Speaker 2: to normalize crime in an extraordinarily vivid way, and they

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Speaker 2: are going to lose the debate. There's just no question.

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Speaker 2: You cannot, as you say, they are defending the indefensible there.

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Speaker 2: Their argument is a set of non sequitars. They say, well,

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Speaker 2: crime isn't bad in DC because it went down somewhat

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Speaker 2: last year. So what the fact is? Are you defending

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Speaker 2: of years regularly. You cannot defend that. And yet that's

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Speaker 2: what the Democrats are doing, Heather.

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Speaker 3: I actually thought about you on Sunday when I read

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Speaker 3: the New York Times editorial which basically said, hey, Heather

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Speaker 3: McDonald was right about everything, without saying Heather McDonald was

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Speaker 3: right about everything. I don't know if you officially read

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Speaker 3: that editorial, but let me just read to you from

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Speaker 3: the New York Times Sunday, and I want to just

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Speaker 3: get your thoughts on the cultural winds shifting that would

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Speaker 3: allow this to occur. During this is the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: During the twenty twenty protests, many progressives embrace calls to

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Speaker 3: quote defund the police, including prominent Democrats Kamala Harris, AOC

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Speaker 3: Eric Garcetti, then mayor of Los Angeles, and the protesters

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Speaker 3: had an effect. Officers were disheartened by public criticisms, quit

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Speaker 3: their jobs, police departments had staffing shortages. Overall crime surged,

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Speaker 3: and Democrats have to recognize that they were responsible for

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Speaker 3: it and their arguments created this. Did you ever think

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Speaker 3: the New York Times would say this when it came

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Speaker 4: Certainly five years ago, well.

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Speaker 2: The editorial board would appear to be a little tiny

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Speaker 2: island of sanity in the paper large because their news

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Speaker 2: coverage is continuing, yeah to harp on the theme that

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Speaker 2: Trump is a fascist by daring to talk about crime

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Speaker 2: this is all just a race based ploy to try

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Speaker 2: absolute split in sensibility there. But it is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: I'll take every win I can get. It is a

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Speaker 2: good thing that the editorial board has put out a

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Speaker 2: the police are not the problem in high crime communities.

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Speaker 2: Criminals are. And when you demoralize the police, when you

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Speaker 2: The national guard. There is there now just a crime. Further,

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Speaker 2: It is using its command presence, and when the cops

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Heather McDonald with us here from the Manhattan Institute.

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Speaker 1: War on Cops is her excellent book. Heather, you are

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Speaker 1: and or likely that this thirty percent crime drop which

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Speaker 1: that thirty percent crime drop may be the result of

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Speaker 2: I haven't looked into that personally. It is in line

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Speaker 2: that would be a real red flag. But I can say,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's constant pressure and ironically in the police

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Speaker 2: top brass should be monitoring their numbers on a daily,

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Speaker 2: if not hourly basis. So those precinct commanders are in

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Speaker 2: they don't have one hundred percent integrity, they're the more

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Speaker 2: which is it well because crime dropped twenty seven percent

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Speaker 2: The fact is you can concede that crime has dropped

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Speaker 2: still say so what, I don't care. Is it acceptable

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Speaker 2: that every single day in Washington, D C. There were

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Speaker 2: ten violent crimes fourteen cards. That's three juvenile shot a day.

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Speaker 2: Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable that our homicide rate

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Speaker 2: that is acceptable, and that is what is so thrilling

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Speaker 2: about Trump's instincts. It's not even the details of the plan,

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Speaker 2: it's that he has instincts that are correct, which is

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Speaker 2: that any level of crime is not compatible with a

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Speaker 2: they are not punished. In twenty twenty three, there were

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Speaker 2: The most they're serving time is until they're twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Most of them will be out long before that. Trump

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Speaker 2: is absolutely right. DC has a soft on crime approach

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Speaker 2: that must change, just as every progressive prosecutor. It's all

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Speaker 2: disparate impact on black criminals. All law enforcement will simply

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Speaker 2: because the black crime rate is so high in DC,

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Speaker 2: Blacks commit about ninety six percent of all homicides, even

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Speaker 2: though they're only forty three percent of the population, Whites

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Speaker 2: commit just under over one percent of the homicides. Still

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Speaker 2: they're thirty nine percent. You do not that should not

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Speaker 2: affect how you enforce the law. You enforce the law

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Speaker 2: to protect the law abiding, not to protect the criminals.

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Speaker 3: Not only that, Heather, and the people who are the

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Speaker 3: victims overwhelmingly would be black too. So when you say, oh,

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Speaker 3: But last question for you here, and I love all

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Speaker 3: handling violent crime better than any others? And do they

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Speaker 3: have policies that should be replicated nationwide. We're fortunate because

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Speaker 2: Until recently, I would have said New York City because

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Speaker 2: William Bratton followed up by William sit with we are

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Speaker 1: No, No, was safe for Kelly. I was trying to

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Speaker 2: Right, Kelly said, we are going to bring this down.

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Speaker 2: They brought They brought crime and homicides down eighty percent

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Speaker 2: to public disorder. That's why also the Trump initiative against

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Speaker 2: that simply should not be tolerated in the city. You

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Speaker 2: Jessica Tish, so that's good. But it's a constant battle,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we need we need politicians to have

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Speaker 2: the basic expectation that crime is not normal. And again,

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Speaker 2: it just cannot be stated enough, Bucking Clay. Trump's Liberation

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Speaker 2: Day speech could be epic changing if people get rid

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Speaker 2: of the idea that they should just accept squalor disorder

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Speaker 2: and violence as the normal part and also mass looting,

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Speaker 2: mass shoplifting as simply normal parts of American cities.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Fucking glaive.

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Speaker 1: This is something that I should talk to you about

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay end Buck. Definitely want

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Speaker 1: to be civil rights marchers of the left. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what this is. They think anytime they can

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Speaker 1: stand against Trump and also anytime they can stand against police.

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Speaker 1: So unless it's January sixth related, then they want swat team.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing anyone who was involved with January sixth.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats across the board they wanted to send in

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Speaker 1: swat teams, you know, flash bangs, grab them. That old

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Speaker 1: lady she walked into the open doors and she was

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Speaker 1: in there for three minutes. Let's throw flash bangs into

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Speaker 1: her house and ruin the rest of her life and

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Speaker 1: try to lock her up for years and put her

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Speaker 1: in solitary confinement. No concerns from the Democrats about police

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Speaker 1: state tactics there. But if you're part of a of

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Speaker 1: a you know, farh mob that murders somebody on the

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Speaker 1: streets of DC, oh, we don't want we don't want

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Speaker 1: to hurt your you know, your future prospects in life. Like,

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Speaker 1: let's go, let's go easy on these individuals. What's going

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Speaker 1: on here? It's it's nonsense.

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Speaker 4: I just I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: First of all, we talk about this a lot, and

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Speaker 3: I do think it's important. Politics oftentimes there's two different tracks.

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Speaker 3: One is is it good politically? Another is is it

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Speaker 3: good for the country. Right, I think this is a

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Speaker 3: great ex sample of Trump nailing it on two fronts.

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Speaker 3: It is good politically to be against violent crime. It

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Speaker 3: has been good politically, whether you're a Democrat, Republican or

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Speaker 3: an independent to historically have been opposed to violent crime.

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Speaker 3: So it is a political benefit.

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Speaker 8: Also, fewer victims of violent crime is a good thing.

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Speaker 8: There are so many things we can sit around and

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Speaker 8: have nuanced debate about. Should I'll give you an example,

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Speaker 8: how should food stamps deal with sugary sodas and potato chips?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 1: Okay, we canna have a real debate about that. There's

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Speaker 1: some arguments on both sides of that. I actually think

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Speaker 1: that the cutting this sugar thing is probably the better.

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Speaker 1: I think you and I are probably going to be

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Speaker 1: somewhat aligned on that. But there are reasonable arguments out

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Speaker 1: there about what you should be able to buy with

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Speaker 1: your snap funds, right like that, Whether or not you

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Speaker 1: should have fewer murders is not a debatable thing to me. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm in favor of people being alive for as long

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Speaker 1: as they possibly can. Seems like something that should be

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Speaker 1: beyond politics. Well, the mayor of Los Angeles, Yeah, very

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Speaker 1: explicitly laid out that this is essentially a function the

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Speaker 1: desire not to enforce the law. More, here is a

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Speaker 1: prominent democrat, a black woman who's the mayor of Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles saying that cracking down on crime in DC is well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'll let her say it here she

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Speaker 1: is this is cut too play it.

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Speaker 6: And I'm concerned about the way he is rolling that

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Speaker 6: out in Washington, d C. Which is essentially calling essentially

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Speaker 6: going after young black and brown youth in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 6: Imposing a curfew, saying that if they violate the curfew,

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Speaker 6: the parents could be charged five hundred dollars, saying that

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Speaker 6: the kids could be detained and arrested. We've tried those

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Speaker 6: policies before.

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Speaker 1: They do not work.

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Speaker 6: And it's my understanding that crime was going down in Washington,

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Speaker 6: d C. So what is the purpose of this?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's the irrelevancy we keep hearing, Oh, crime

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Speaker 1: is going down. Put that aside. We all know it's

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Speaker 1: too dangerous. She said, work all time highs. It's worth

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Speaker 1: mentioning too, So FYI, it's essentially going after black and

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Speaker 1: brown youth, is the quote that she puts out there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So now we get to why Democrats take this very

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Speaker 1: you know, very emotional position. As you put it out.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them are middle aged and retiree aged,

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Speaker 1: you know, white democrats, yes, but they view this, they

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Speaker 1: view enforcement of the law as inherently racist.

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Speaker 4: Well, what does that say?

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Speaker 1: About their perspective, like she's the one saying this, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think just at a very baseline level, that

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Speaker 3: actually leads to a conversation we should be having. Why

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Speaker 3: are rates of violent crime so much higher for black

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Speaker 3: and brown people such that they end up being arrested

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Speaker 3: for rates of violent crime outside of the percentage of

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Speaker 3: their overall population. That's a real conversation that an adult

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Speaker 3: country would have, and we would try to figure out

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Speaker 3: adult solutions.

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Speaker 4: I would also.

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Speaker 3: Point out that a very easy and I mentioned it

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Speaker 3: with Heather MacDonald, but a very easy counterpoint to this

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Speaker 3: is why should non criminal black and brown citizens be

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Speaker 3: held hostage effectively in their neighborhoods by criminal black and

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Speaker 3: brown people. Well, you're actually they're the victims of the

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Speaker 3: violence that you're not willing to end.

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Speaker 1: And there's a tremendous sensitivity on the left about for example,

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Speaker 1: in New York City, Asian is such a large Asia

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Speaker 1: is a here's a statement for everybody, a very large place.

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Speaker 1: So when you say Asian, and in the context of

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Speaker 1: if you watch any like UK, you know shows, you

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Speaker 1: know scripted drown throwers say all these are Asian males.

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Speaker 1: When they say Asian. They mean South Asian overwhelmingly, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when they're talking about South Asians in Britain,

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Speaker 1: they're talking of people from India, from Pakistan, So to

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Speaker 1: say Asian is such a broad thing. I bring this up, though, Clay,

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Speaker 1: because the left would like you to believe that poverty

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Speaker 1: and lack of opportunity is what leads to crime. Problem

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Speaker 1: is in New York City. They have very good data

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Speaker 1: on this, and the subgroup within Asia of Pakistani and

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Speaker 1: Bangladeshi individuals, for example, have higher poverty rates, higher poverty

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Speaker 1: rates than black or Latino New York City residents, and

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Speaker 1: exponentially lower crime rates. This is just the data, So

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Speaker 1: it's not about just power. It's not just a poverty thing.

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Speaker 1: And now to get into family formation, Now we get

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Speaker 1: into cultural influences. Now we get into dads being home

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Speaker 1: or not. If you control you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't have this data. If you control for households

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Speaker 1: where there's a dad in the home, get I bet

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Speaker 1: the crime disparity between all these different groups evaporates.

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Speaker 3: I think that we could cure nine eighty percent of

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Speaker 3: our social ills in this country if dads were at home.

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Speaker 3: This is my soapbox issue if you want to go

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Speaker 3: to where it comes from at its most baseline level.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the things that I think Thomas

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Speaker 3: Soul has done such a good job of arguing about

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Speaker 3: because they've tried to say, hey, racism is what causes

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Speaker 3: this crime discrepancy, this poverty issue, everything else. You go

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Speaker 3: back and you look before the Civil Rights movement, a

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Speaker 3: most I think it's like seventy five percent, eighty percent

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Speaker 3: of young black kids in America grew up with a

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Speaker 3: dad at home.

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Speaker 4: Think about that.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen fifties America, black men were at home with their

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Speaker 3: families raising their kids. Now I believe it's twenty five

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Speaker 3: percent of how black households have a dad at home.

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Speaker 3: And if you go and overlay that data, as Buck

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Speaker 3: just said, and you look at crime rates, I think

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Speaker 3: you would see overwhelmingly dad not home crime happens. Dad

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Speaker 3: home crime comes down because these young men, they're acting out.

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Speaker 3: They have no role models, they don't have a culture

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Speaker 3: of male growth. Sometimes granddads try to do it, uncles

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Speaker 3: try to do it, but that void in the household

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Speaker 3: of the dad. And I'm not taking shots at single

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Speaker 3: moms because I know a lot of y'all out there

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Speaker 3: are trying to do both jobs. Young girls do better

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Speaker 3: in homes without dads than young boys do, and that

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Speaker 3: is where I think a huge percentage of this violence

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Speaker 3: comes from. That's the reality, and that's a conversation that

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Speaker 3: a grown, healthy country would have instead of what you

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Speaker 3: got there Karen Bass saying, I'm concerned that if we

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Speaker 3: enforce the law too many people who are black and

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Speaker 3: brown are going to be arrested. So it's racist to

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Speaker 3: enforce the law. What about all the black and brown

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Speaker 3: people who are going to be victimized when you don't

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Speaker 3: enforce the law. So they have rights? I think they do.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think they should be protected. We should

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Speaker 3: protect them who don't break the law. Yesterday, that incredible day,

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Speaker 4: And politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis

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Speaker 3: Find them on the free iHeartRadio or wherever you get

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Speaker 3: your podcasts. When we come back, we will take some

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Speaker 3: Hour eight hundred and two two two eight A two.

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Speaker 3: You can react to a variety of different topics that

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Speaker 4: The rates of violent fraude.

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Speaker 3: And we'll give you a little bit of an update

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Speaker 3: we can have some more fun with that. I really

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Speaker 3: do like Buck's idea earlier on Scarborough. I got a

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Speaker 3: Kaepernick story and Superman story for you too, not connected

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Speaker 3: those two.

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Speaker 4: What else you got for us, Buck, It's going to

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Speaker 4: be a great third hour.

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Speaker 1: Just stick around with us and you'll see some people

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