1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back into the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Everybody Third Hour Man flying By on this Friday. Speaking 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: of flying By, questing Floodby for the Tower, we have 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Joseph Flatley joining us later on to talk about being 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: a top Gun instructor. It'll be a lot of fun. 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Top Gun Maverick, you should definitely 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: go check it out. Clay and I have seen it, 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: big fans of it. And we also have our body, 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Ryan or Dusky's a very astute political consultant and observer 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: on how the midterms are looking right now, also the 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: issue of immigration and how that is affecting perceptions of 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: well the voters. Legal immigration, specifically massive convoy of would 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: be illegal migrants already making its way, perhaps the largest 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: convoy yet seen. Over fifteen thousand is the estimate right now, 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: and it's growing as it makes its way closer to 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: our border. This all happening while there still is a 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Title forty two in place. There are many loopholes that 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: Title forty two does not cover, but that's something we'll 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: get into more of a deep dive on sometime next week, 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: and we'll be talking to Ryan about as I said, 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: the politics of all this in a few moments. But 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: in the meantime, you know, one of the more interesting 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: phenomena that's playing out, Clay, as the Democrats are having 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: a you know, it's good for them that the news 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: came down on a Friday. You know, this is almost like, 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, you fire people on a friday, You drop 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: the bad inflation numbers on a Friday, so that the 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: American people will have the weekend to process what this 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: is going to mean for them any wage increases by 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: the way overall or being completely up by inflation. So 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: people are feeling they're feeling less secure financially than they 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: haven't in a long time, and rightly so because they are, 33 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: because this is really hurting people who are living. If 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: you're living paycheck to paycheck, this stuff really matters. I mean, what, 35 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, the average average tank of gas is what 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: about fifteen gallons something like that. That's sound about right. 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to an average fifteen to twenty gallons. 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we don't have gas tanks on 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: electric scooters, Clay, But this is this is something that 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: I think people are really seeing and it's affecting them 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: and I just the the truth is that they can't 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: have it both ways. The Democrats can't be the big 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: heroes of the climate change movement in the Green New 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Deal and act like they'd own at some level want 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: this to be happening. Not the people being upset about 46 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: inflation part, but the high price of gas, the transition 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: that could come from this day. Occasionally we'll say this 48 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: out loud, not as bombastic and foolish as say John 49 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: carry announcing that the biggest problem that he could see 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: with Ukraine and Russia was that we couldn't get putin 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: to cooperate on climate. You know, that was that was 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: quite a moment for John Kerry. A few a couple 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: of months back. A few months back, here's c NBC's 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: Jim Kramer, who is straight up he's not a right 55 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: wing radio host, right, I mean, he's a finance guy, 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of a centrist. I think on his politics he's 57 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: a market guy. Right here, he is slamming Biden's anti 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: energy agenda play seventeen. Well, they hate fossil fuels, and 59 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: a lot of the numbers that I think Brian's really good, 60 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: but a lot of the numbers he talked about or not. 61 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not producing as much as we get 62 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: under presidents from them. The idea that it's European, that 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: it's the Europeans that are causing the natural casts to 64 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: go up a lot, isn't true. We just were unprepared 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: for this particular moment and don't have enough pipelines. Look, 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: they hate fossil fuels. They don't want they don't want 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: to go to the Permian and be seen with Scott 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: Sheffield from the Pioneer. They just don't want to do it. 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: They think it's a really bad thing for there for 70 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: the election. It's not, but it would help the you know, 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: they're a little backward. If they made a deal with 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: the so called devil to be able to move the 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: forward curve to say, guys, you got to start producing 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: much much more oil wood drop, they'd work with their 75 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: finders to try to figure out how to get more production. 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Like I said, they hate fossil fuels and they're lying 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: to everybody about it. It's not a good combo, and 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: increasingly Biden is just flailing at windmills don Quixote style, 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: trying to come up with reasons why he's not responsible 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: for everything going wrong. And the problem for him is 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: that it's really hard to move public opinion. And so 82 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: what many people won't recognize is now that Biden has 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: dropped in the Real Clear Politics average of all the 84 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: polls under forty percent, it is almost impossible for Biden. 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: And if you look at the trend lines, it's just 86 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: continuing down. People make up their minds, and people have 87 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: made up their minds that Joe Biden is incompetent and 88 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: that he doesn't have answers to make the life of 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: the average American better. And by the way, these are white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. 90 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: All of this tracking in congruency as the numbers are 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: coming down. And what Biden ran on was what it 92 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: was this promise. One I'm not Donald Trump, and two 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: he said that he would be responsible. Remember they made 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: a big deal about the adults are back in charge. Well, 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: Biden's speaking right now. And when you're flailing around and 96 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: blaming Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine for the increase in oil prices, 97 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: and when you were blaming all these external factors that 98 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: you can't control, and as you just said, as we 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: finished off the second hour of the program, you're left 100 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: with a series of bad options. In terms of politically, 101 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 1: the best of the bad options by far is let's 102 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: increase American overall oil and gas production. That's the best 103 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: by far. The problem with that is the Democrat Party 104 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: is now held hostage by the Green New Deal, and 105 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: if you increase aggressively the amount of oil and gas 106 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: that you're producing in the United States, politically you get 107 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: destroyed there. So what do you do instead? And this 108 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: is where d Santos was kind of making fun of this. 109 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: You go to Venezuela, you go to Saudi Arabia. You're 110 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: not going to Russia right now, but probably at some 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: point in the future you'll go back to Russia, and 112 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: you go to and you maybe have to go to Iran. 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: Right all of these countries are producing oil and gas. 114 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: And what Ron de Sander's pointing out it, hey, these 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: are not different planets. If you're opposed to the production 116 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: of oil and gas and you're in favor of the 117 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Green New Deal, it's not like Venezuela doing it is 118 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: somehow different than the United States doing it. The only 119 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: big changes Instead of our money staying at home with 120 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: American producing oil and gas companies, we're shipping at overseas 121 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: to these petro dictatorships, where they are then gaining more 122 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: political power because they have more money to distribute inside 123 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: of their country and increase their political standing. That's where 124 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: we are right now. And ultimately this all ties in 125 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: eight point six percent inflation. You got the January sixth 126 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: distraction that they're trying. The Democrats have no story buck. Ultimately, 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: what story do they have to sell to the American 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: people about why Americans should vote for them In November 129 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: they will have been in charge. They have been eighteen months, 130 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: five more months. They're gonna have been in charge nearly 131 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: two years. And every single thing Joe Biden touched is worse, 132 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: all of it. The Bidas touch is the opposite of 133 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: the Midas touch. Everything Biden touches turns to crap. There 134 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: ain't a single positive story they've got right now, Clay, 135 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: I remember, if you look back, there's nothing is surprising here. Yeah. 136 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: Part of this that I think is hard for people 137 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: to wrap their minds around is we said he'd be 138 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: a trojan horse for the progressive left. He is a 139 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: Trump said you're gonna have six seven eight dollars a 140 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: gallon gas? We do We been warning of it, and 141 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: I went back and said at last October even talking 142 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: about the recession that would be coming under Biden, and 143 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: I think that's now imminent. But even you could even 144 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: stretch it further to this is a guy who had 145 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: run for president what three times previously, and Democrats we 146 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: could take it out of the realm of oh, you know, 147 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: you and I we have our views of the world 148 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and of politics, and we're openly advocating for certain idea 149 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: alogies and conservatism and all the rest of it. Democrats 150 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: knew this guy was a joke. I mean, he was 151 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: a candidate. I remember in two thousand and eight when 152 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: he ran on the Democrats side, early on before he 153 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: became Obama's vice president. I got invited by somebody and 154 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: I was still working the government at the time, so 155 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything active politically. And it was like 156 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: the third tier candidates. It was the guy who was 157 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: the guy with the high voice from Ohio and kind 158 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: of the the the Kinich, Yes, thank you, Kusinich. It 159 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: was like Kusinich and Biden and one or two other 160 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: people who I couldn't and it was some kind of 161 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: an open form. You could ask them to questions. But 162 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: he was alongside Kucinich. I mean, this is not a 163 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: guy who Democrats were taking seriously as a presidential candidate. 164 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: He was a laughing stock. He was a joke. And 165 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: yet you look at it, he ends up in this 166 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: last last election being the president and Kamala, who even 167 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: in this last election couldn't get any Democrats to vote 168 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: for her, is the vice president. I mean, none of 169 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: this is surprising. Is the part of this that I 170 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: think is so interesting. But and because of that, it's 171 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: the same thing with COVID, Right, you and I pushed 172 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: for things that were just rational. We pushed ideas that 173 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: were rational during COVID, Like why are we doing this? 174 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: This doesn't make any sense. And a lot of people now, 175 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: even though they should be able to see that they 176 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: were wrong, their brains cannot process the wrongness because it 177 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: was so obvious that it's humiliating. I think for a 178 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: fair number Democrats, some of them are crazy and they 179 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: think Biden's doing a great job. Find not that many, though, 180 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: independence have clearly fled this guy and want nothing to 181 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: do with them. And I think even a lot of 182 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Democrats are dealing with a cognitive dissonance of, well, he's 183 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: better than Trump. But is he though? But is he 184 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: better than like? You want to explain that one a 185 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: little further. Yeah, And remember the biggest news that Biden 186 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: made when he ran for president in two thousand and 187 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: eight was when he called Barack Obama the first black 188 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: guy who was clean and articulate. I mean that. The 189 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: funny thing to me about Biden is he's always been 190 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: bad at public speaking. This was before the dementia set in, 191 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: and he's always said things that are inappropriate and end 192 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: up with his foot in his mouth. And now Democrats 193 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: are trying to argue, well, one of the challenges that 194 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Biden has is he can't get out and speak as 195 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: much to the general public because he's seventy nine and 196 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: COVID's continuing to circulate and all this stuff. What the 197 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: reason why Joe Biden can't do a good job of 198 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: being president is because Joe Biden wasn't a particularly good 199 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: candidate ever before running for president. He won in spite 200 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: of himself in twenty twenty. Right, twenty twenty was a 201 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: referendum on Trump. And that's why I would say, as 202 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: we look forward and think about January sixth, then what 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: Democrats are trying to do. And I would say this 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: to the Donald Trump campaign because he's going to run 205 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Twenty twenty four is not about 206 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Trump to the extent that they are able to make 207 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: it about Trump. That gives Democrats a chance to win 208 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: because Trump is the great Satan, Biden is so incompetent, 209 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: and the Democrat funded government in the House and the 210 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Senate has been so incompetent that as long as you 211 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: make Biden the referendum point, that is the way to win. 212 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: And I wonder on some level who's going to announce first, 213 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: because I don't think Democrats want Biden to run, But 214 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: as soon as Trump runs, I think Democrats may be 215 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: afraid that Biden's the only guy they have who could 216 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: potentially beat Trump, and so they really may try to 217 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: drag him weekend in Bernie's two style across the finish 218 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: line at eighty two years old. You know, you and 219 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: I are calling shots years in the future in the 220 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: upper deck here. So I don't want to get too 221 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: far ahead of ourselves. But if Democrats really believe that 222 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: it is going to be Trump one, it's going to 223 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: be Joe Biden as their candidate because they think he's 224 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: the only one who can win. They think that it 225 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: will be a replay and that they'll be able to 226 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: figure it out and he'll win again. I don't believe 227 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: this thing about Hillary stepping in, and I don't see 228 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: that if Trump is a nominee, if it's not Trump 229 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: as the Republican nominee, then you start thinking about some 230 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: other scenario. Is because other Republican contenders. One in particular 231 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are thinking of these days, 232 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: who happens to be from a state that's pretty warm 233 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: and known for oranges that Biden can't Biden. Can't you 234 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: line up against somebody who brings all that you know, 235 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: Biden's age becomes even such a bigger issue against you know, 236 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: a younger opponent, etc. I just don't think that they 237 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: that's not a matchup they'd want to have. Here's a 238 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: possibility that I think could play out. We know we 239 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: talk a lot about the midterms. Soon after the midterms, 240 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: Trump and Biden are going to have to make decisions. 241 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: I think the Democrats could clear the deck for Joe Biden. 242 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: Nobody's going to challenge him. He's our guy. We're going 243 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: to try to drag him across the finish line at 244 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: eighty two years old. And then I really think that 245 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: Trump's gonna end up in a Donnie Brook against Ron 246 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: De Santis. And so Democrats might be picking Joe Biden 247 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: projecting that he's going to go head to head against 248 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And then what if De Santis ends up 249 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: the nominee. Then you've got two year old Joe Biden 250 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: going up against forty three year old Rond the Santis. 251 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean literally forty years of age difference between the 252 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: two of them. I think you've got to be careful 253 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: there what you're planning for. I just think Democrats are 254 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: in an awful spot because whoever Republicans end up nominating 255 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: is going to win the election in twenty twenty four. 256 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: I would put a lot of money on that. Folks. 257 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Here's some news that no man in America wants to hear. 258 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: The average American man is fifty percent less testosterone the 259 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: average American male in nineteen seventy two. That's right, in 260 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: fifty years time, testosterone levels are down fifty percent. 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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show 287 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: powering through the Friday edition of the program, taking a 288 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of you into your weekends, and we got some 289 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: news for you. Joe Biden, aka the worst president of 290 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: any of our lives, addressed inflation, aka the highest level 291 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: of inflation of many of our lives, going all the 292 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: way back to December of nineteen eighty one. It has 293 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: not been this bad in this country. Eight point six percent. Biden, 294 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: he took responsibility and said he's got a play in right. 295 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, actually, he said, this is all Vladimir Putin's fault. Listen. 296 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: I understand inflation is a real challenge to American families. 297 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: Today's inflation report confirm what America has already know. Prudence 298 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: price hycis city in America. Hard gas prices at the pump, 299 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: Energy and food prices account for half of the monthly 300 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: price increases since made inflation Outside of energy and food, 301 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: what the economists called core inflation moderated the last two months. 302 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Not enough, but it moderate has come down, and we 303 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: needed to come down much more quickly. My administration can 304 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: to continue to everything. We can go lower the prices 305 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: to the American people, and the Congress has to act 306 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and they have men of lay. All right, but this 307 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: clown continuing. First of all, that's not true. I mean 308 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: so even in that limited thirty second clip that we played, 309 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm reading from Jackie Heinrich, who's on top of this, 310 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Biden wrongly stated that core inflation over the last two 311 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: months has quote moderated, has gone down. Actually, core CPI 312 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: went from point three percent in March to point six 313 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: percent in April, then stayed at point six percent in May. 314 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: So it's up since March, it's equal in May. He 315 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: can't even talk to you for thirty seconds without lying 316 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: about his inflation fears. And what's he gonna say. I'm 317 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: bad at this. I'm not very smart. I was bottom 318 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: of my law school class. I mean, really, you start 319 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: to run into some impossible, impossible propaganda corners here. I 320 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: don't really know what Biden could say other than everything 321 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: that we have done since I took office. Has been 322 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: a bad idea, or wrong or counterproductive, or a combination 323 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: of all of the above, and to try to get 324 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: away with blaming it on Putin, all anyone has to 325 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: do is take a look at when inflation starts to 326 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: take up. It begins the moment that Biden takes office 327 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: and just keeps going up and up, long before anybody 328 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: was even thinking about Russia invading Ukraine. 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So, Ryan's got a subject, 372 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: Ryan Grodwski with us now. Ryan, thanks so much, Thank 373 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: you for having me so, Ryan, I want to ask 374 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: you about this because this was a headline just about 375 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: a day or so ago in the Daily Mail. Seventy 376 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: three percent of Trump voters think Democrats are trying to 377 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: replace white people with immigrants and people of color who 378 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: share their political views. Shock new poll shows, well, what 379 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: does the polling actually show about views on illegal immigration 380 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: and how this is affecting the midterms and all of that. Right, So, 381 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: this poll was taken about the quote unquote great replacement theory, 382 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: which has been become very very popular, especially since the 383 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: buffalostioning popular among talking heads on cable news, and it 384 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: has found overwhelmingly Americans don't believe in a forty nine 385 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: percent don't believe. At thirty two percent do believe in it, 386 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: including seventy three percent of Trump voters and sixty one 387 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: percent of Republicans, and also sort of independence also the beliefs. 388 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: The thing about this pole, about the whole great Replacement idea, 389 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: is that immigrants do overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. In the 390 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election, Donald Trump won the popular vote, the 391 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: popular vote not just like for a popular vote among 392 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: people who were born in America, but he lost immigrants 393 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: by forty point as Didmit Romney, as did John McCain, 394 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: as did George W. Bush. Immigrants vote overwhelmingly more than 395 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: two to one for Democrats, and they have and they 396 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: are continuing to even with the Hispanic shift. Those the 397 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: shift of among Hispanics were of Hispanics born in this country. 398 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: So that though the idea that it is a Democrat 399 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: plan to change the demographics of this country, that is true. 400 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: How it started in the nineteen sixties under Lyndon Johnson, 401 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: when our immigrations were changed, but it is not true today. 402 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: Under Donald Trump's presidency, he brought in more legal immigrants 403 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: who voted for Democrats then we did under Bill Clinton's. 404 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: George W. Bush brought in more than Bill Clintons. Many 405 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: years of Donald Trust's presidency brought in more than Barack Obama's. 406 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: It's not a Democrat thing that is doing this. This 407 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: is a party establishment thing that has sought to bring 408 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: in huge numbers of people. It is the greatest demographic 409 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: change in the history of any country outside of a 410 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: war or maybe you know Lebanon bringing in two million 411 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Palestinian refugees. Those are the only two times you saw 412 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: a massive demographic change the way that this country has 413 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: since the nineteen seventies. And there's been many social studies, 414 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: including the book Bowling Alone. They found that when demographic 415 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: changes are so strong and so swift, it causes a 416 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: depletion and trust in both institutions and trust among individual people, 417 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: not just among people who look differently than you, but 418 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: people who look the same than you. It is massively high. 419 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: And if you look at Gallop polling, for example, just 420 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: one polling, Americans for forty years have said overwhelming either 421 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: the plurality or majority that they want less legal immigration, 422 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: not none, but just less than the one point one 423 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: one point two million we've been taking in basically since 424 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: the eighties. And even Cato Cato believes in open borders 425 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: all the time. They want no borders. Essentially, they're a 426 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: libertarian organization. They found that forty four percent of Americans, 427 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: this was taken last year. Forty four percent of Americans 428 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: want a ninety percent reduction in legal immigration and sixty 429 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: five percent fifty percent cut in legal immigration, which would 430 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: still be half a million people a year. It's not 431 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: like we're not taking any in. And this is a 432 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: made the main driver outside of inflation for Republican voters. 433 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: This is the issue that made Donald Trump president of 434 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: the United States. Ran There's so much that we've talked 435 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: about during the course of the show today, and you've 436 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: been on with us a couple of times before, because 437 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: you have, in addition to all the data that you 438 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: just shared, there an incredible knowledge of the redistricting universe 439 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: that now is complete. And I saw in the Cook 440 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Political Report, I think they said that fifty three how 441 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: seats could be up for grabs if you look at 442 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: the numbers how many seats do you think are truly 443 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: going to be competitive now that we have all four 444 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five, I believe congressional districts officially squared away. Right. Well, 445 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: I was on your show a while ago when Republicans 446 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: were having they're heads handed to them when it came 447 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: to redistricting. In the last month and a half, Republicans 448 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: saw a series of victories when it came to redistricting. 449 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: They didn't have to give a second Democrat seats in Louisiana, 450 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: they didn't have to change the maps in Alabama, they 451 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: cleaned their clocks in Florida, the courts overruled them in 452 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: New York. So Republicans had a series of very, very 453 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: very good victories when it came to redistricting in a 454 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: way that they hadn't previously earlier in the year. I 455 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: would say probably any Republicans could win anywhere between two 456 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty to two hundred and fifty seats. I 457 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: mean it depending on how as things againting stars inflation goes, 458 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: and if we head into a recession before election day, 459 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: which some experts saying we could be. I mean they 460 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: could go up to two hundred and fifty five or 461 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty seats. It could be that kind 462 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: of a wave year where they sit on the biggest 463 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: majority they've had in the nineteen twenties. Okay, sorry, just 464 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: so for people out there who aren't following the numbers closely, 465 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about a thirty to forty ish seat gain. 466 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: What would you put the range at right now? As 467 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: we sit five months out of potential available Republican seat pickups. 468 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: Right right now, Republicans are looking at easily two hundred 469 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: and fourteen seats. Democrats are looking at one hundred and 470 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: eighty eight. They could I would say a good number 471 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: of probably two hundred and forty five. They they'll sit 472 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: on the two hundred and forty five seat majority, give 473 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: or take a few, but it's still fairly early. Other 474 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: seats could win. I think the most they could possibly 475 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: get it. Let's say everything goes right as two hundred 476 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: and sixty, So the pickup would be ryan the pick 477 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: range right, the pokup would be about about forty. Yeah, 478 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: about forty that's what we're saying today. That's what we 479 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: wanted to hear the number from you too. That's what 480 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: we were hoping for. Ryan, Where can people go because 481 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: you're doing some great work on substack. Now, how do 482 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: they subscribe? You can go on National the National Populace substack. 483 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: It's nappop dot substack dot com. 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As you will know, 507 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: we said, you know, we should get somebody who actually 508 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: know something, knows a whole heck of a lot about flying. 509 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: Joining us now is Joe Flatley. He was a real 510 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: life Top Gun fighter pilot instructor. He's a third generation 511 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: naval aviator, retired Navy FA eighteen Strike and Fighter pilot 512 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: and F five adversary pilot. Joe, thanks for calling into 513 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: Clay and back. We appreciate it. Oh yeah, I'm glad 514 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: to be here. Thanks. So what was you actually were 515 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: the guy or among the guys I should say, training 516 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: folks in Top Gun. What was some of the best 517 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: stuff that you saw in the movie. I mean in 518 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: terms of the flying, the way they depicted the program. 519 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: We just want to know what did you think. Yeah, well, 520 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: it was a good movie. It was a great, great 521 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: sequel to the first one, which came out when when 522 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: I was just going through advanced jet training, so just 523 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: about to finish up pilot training and getting ready to 524 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: go off to fly F eighteen. So yeah, it was 525 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: the first movie. It was great, and this was a 526 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: great sequel, and and the flying scenes and this I 527 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: thought were much better. Yes, it was kind of hard 528 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: to tell actually how much CGI was going on there. 529 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: Obviously some of the flying scenes, well not obviously probably 530 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: to the labor person, but you know, the airplanes, the 531 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: proximity they had in the movie, they are planes to 532 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: each other, they were fighting. Probably not that realistic, but 533 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: for cinemagraphic reasons, that's that's the way you have to 534 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: present it. But still very very well done. I thought 535 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell what the CGI was in there, 536 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: except maybe in a couple of instances. So if there 537 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: was something, I'm sure there was. Joe. When nineteen eighty six, 538 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: when the original Top Gun came on on, I believe 539 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: the overall naval recruiting for went up like five hundred 540 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: percent for people who have forgotten what an unbelievable hit 541 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: that movie was back in nineteen eighty six. As a 542 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: guy who was training as a top gun pilot back 543 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, what was it like for that 544 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: movie to come out? And did everybody think you were 545 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: lying when you were out at the bars and you 546 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: would say, Hey, you know, I'm actually a top gun 547 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: fighter pilot, because I imagine that became a pretty popular 548 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: line for guys to be dropping all over the place. Yeah, 549 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: I think you know, it gave us all sund be 550 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: full of ourselves about and we weren't already but um, 551 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was the timing was good for a 552 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: guy like me. And then then and like you said, 553 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: recruiting boom and um and that lasted a while and 554 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: it's funny. After that, I got to go to the 555 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: premiere out in San Diego and it was it was 556 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: all Navy, some civilians. We're out there, but basically they 557 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: ran the premiere for the Navy people that put it on. 558 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: And one of the discussions afterwards was was that this 559 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: was probably gonna be another boost for for naval aviation, 560 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: with the comment being that that you know there's war 561 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: that we're we're now pretty much out of UM the 562 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: beginning or all through actually fairly good recruiting for special ops, 563 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: whether or you know, whichever service it was UM and 564 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: that I don't know that naval aviation has suffered UM, 565 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: but but I think they're right for another recruiting boom 566 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: now with this movie, which being a joke, Late Lee. 567 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: He was a top gun fighter pilot instructor. He retired 568 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: after fourteen years active duty plus six years reserved duty 569 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: as a naval aviator. Tell everybody about about your your 570 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: dad Jim Flatley. He was a Navy test pilot, Vietnam 571 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: era fighter pilot with three hundred and fifty combat missions. Yeah, 572 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: well we a third generation so my yeah, like you 573 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: just said, my dad before me, uh, fighter pilot, blue 574 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: fans mostly Vietnam, but prior to Vietnam, he was a 575 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: test pilot there Patuxent River where a Navy did all 576 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: test work. And his distinction is Yeah, famous moment was 577 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: taking the C one thirty, which is a big four 578 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: engined cargo airplane. You can see it on YouTube if 579 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: you just google see one thirty carrier landing. But that 580 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: was his project, just a young guy right out of 581 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: test pilot school, and they and they sent him out 582 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: to the ship and the C one thirty never been 583 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: done before. Everybody thought he was crazy for doing it, 584 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: got it done, and uh and the three hundred and 585 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: fifty combat missions. Being the skipper of a squadron that 586 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: didn't lose a single airplane during Vietnam, his tour is skipper. Anyway, 587 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: He's not known for that. He's known for the SEQ 588 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: one thirty things. So it's we get to laugh out 589 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: of that. Your grandfather also was a World War two 590 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: flying ace in the South Pacific going up against the 591 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: Japanese zero fighters. How many, first of all, how many 592 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: third generation fighter pilots are there? I mean, because the 593 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: math on it doesn't work out where there could be 594 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: very many in the first place. And one of the 595 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: things that I found so fascinating was there's a scene 596 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but in 597 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick where the jet evolution is discussed in 598 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: terms of the technology and how much different it was 599 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: between I think the F fourteen and the F eighteen. 600 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: For people who are up in these planes, I'm curious 601 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: how many of these different aircraft you have flown in? 602 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: Have you flown in what you're father would have flown in, 603 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: and what your father would have flown in, and h 604 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: and kind of discuss, if you would, how much evolution 605 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: there's been in the fighter jets. Oh, the evolution has 606 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: been tremendous. I mean, if you just start working backwards 607 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: from the F thirty five, which is which is an 608 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: unbelievable technology. I haven't I haven't been in it, I 609 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: haven't been in a simulator. I can't even begin to 610 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: discuss what exactly it is. And most of that's probably 611 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: classified anyway, but I will go tell you that. Back 612 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven, just as I finished up my 613 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: F eighteen train getting ready to go off to my 614 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: fleet squad, and went to the McDonald douglas plant there 615 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis and got some some specialized training high 616 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: speed an anti radiation missile harm that we would use 617 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: to target great our sights. And McDonald douglas put that 618 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,239 Speaker 1: on for us. And part of that they took us 619 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: on a tour of their facility there, and this is 620 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: talking to Technology eighty seven. They sat us in the 621 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: mock up of a cockpit. It was just one big 622 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: piece of glass, and they said Yeah, this is the 623 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: future cockpit. It's all gonna be touchscrew and we're going touchscreen. 624 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: What's that? And that I believe is pretty much the 625 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: F thirty five cocktent now, so that it has evolved 626 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: quite a bit. But going back to my granddad's day 627 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: in the F four Wildcat and you have six Hellcat 628 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: and as other people flew the cours airs, very capable 629 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: fighters for the time, but absolutely nothing compared to what 630 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: we have now. I mean they were shooting. They were 631 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: shooting bullets basically where we're shooting missiles now that are 632 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: that are targeting beyond visual range, so completely different technology. Joe, 633 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: what can you tell us about the selection process into 634 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: top Gun? I mean, since you were a top gun instructor, 635 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: obviously you had a number of people coming through in 636 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: those classes. How does want I mean for some of them, 637 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: we probably have some people listening right now. By the way, 638 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: we have a huge military audience, both active and former 639 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: military current former military, so we might have somebody who's 640 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen sixteen listening goes you know, I want 641 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: to go into a top gun program? How is that worse? Well, 642 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: just to clarify, was a top gun trained adversary pilot. Um, 643 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: they run, they run course, and I don't know what 644 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: the latest is on timing wise, but back in my 645 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: day it was a ten week course and then I 646 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: went through the first five weeks as an adversary pilot. 647 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: Then I was qualified to go out and teach as 648 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: an adversary on the adversary. So adversary being we're the 649 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: bad guys, we go out and simulate enemy forces, whether 650 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: Russian or or whatever, tactics and and we were right 651 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: now like Merlin in the original movie, right, isn't that there? 652 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: There you go? Perfect? Yeah, that was exactly. It's flying 653 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: the F five, which which was which the bad guys 654 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: are flying in the first movie, so which is still 655 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: being flown as an adversary today. But so that's what 656 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: I did. But yeah, to get there, and obviously it's 657 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: the cream of the cross, the top gun instructors themselves 658 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: or next level. You know, probably a terrible comparison, but 659 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: it would be like you know, a doctor specialist versus 660 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: positions assistant the family practice in a terrible comparison, but 661 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: the top gun instructor versus an instructor like myself. But 662 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: to get there, you know, it's a selection. You've got 663 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: to do well. You got to be basically recommended for 664 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: that job, and then you got to get through it. 665 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: And that's a pretty harduous, harduous program those guys go 666 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: through just to teach the classes that they teach from 667 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: the top gun program. Joe Flatley, everybody, mister Flatley, thank 668 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: you very much, sir for calling into Clay and Buck. 669 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Hey, thanks for having meat that your beer. 670 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Third Generation Fighter Pilot. That's pretty badass. 671 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: Buck's badass as it gets. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy 672 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: to think about, right, Your grandfather fought against the Japanese 673 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: and the Pacific and then all the way up through 674 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: the movies today and everything else. I mean, that's my 675 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: grandfather was in the Navy, but he was on the 676 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: USS Batan, so he was at Late Gulf. Didn't talk 677 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: talk about it very much until later on, and then 678 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: you talked about it occasionally. Anyway, we hope you all 679 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: enjoyed the show today. I appreciate you hanging with us. 680 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: Play any fun weekend plans. You got about five seconds 681 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: the time going up to Knoxville, Tennessee to watch the 682 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: University of Tennessee play against Notre Dame in the College 683 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: World Series. Superregional should be fun. Sleet Travis and Buck 684 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: Sexton on the front lines of truth