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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back in the studio here, Buck, what's going on? Man? Now?

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Speaker 1: Too much? DJ? Just finished the notebook. I've been looking

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Speaker 1: at all the stuff. Did you been posting of le

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Speaker 1: mock drafts, top fifties, all kinds of crazy stuff. We

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Speaker 1: certainly have some stuff to talk about because a lot

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Speaker 1: of movement. Yeah, We've got a ton of stuff talking about.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up on today's episode. I want to

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Speaker 1: hit on uh going through these combine numbers. What stood

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Speaker 1: out in some interesting nuggets that pulled out of there.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have that Minka Fitzpatrick versus Derwin James debate.

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Speaker 1: We discussed tease a little bit on the last episode.

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Speaker 1: Go through a little bit of my Top fifty updates.

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Speaker 1: We've got an interview coming up with Ryan Flaherty, h Buck.

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Speaker 1: For those that don't know, I've never heard of Ryan Flaherty.

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Speaker 1: Once you tell him who he is, all standing trainer.

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Speaker 1: He is the director of Sports Performance at Nike. He

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Speaker 1: deals with a ton of high profile athletes. Serena Williams

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Speaker 1: Lebron James uh was Christian Ronaldo. Then he also talked

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Speaker 1: about all of the quarterbacks that he's had. How many

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks did he have in in the NFL that he's

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Speaker 1: had the top two quarterbacks each I believe each of

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Speaker 1: the last eight years, each of the last eight years,

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Speaker 1: and was twenty four to thirty two stars or something,

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Speaker 1: some crazy amount of quarterbacks that he's dealt with that

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Speaker 1: he's touched so great inside, he can't help himself because

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Speaker 1: you can't help because you had a soccer take. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you didn't pronounce his name correctly. But he doesn't

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Speaker 1: watch Sully soccer like he in the back buck I

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Speaker 1: would look back there. He jumped out of his ship. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting on one of you guys to mispronounced

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Speaker 1: something ever since the whole the bacle Jodakai debacle. It's

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Speaker 1: Christiano Ronaldo. I can't stand undo. Christiano can't stand a

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Speaker 1: little harsh. I'm not a fan of more of a

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Speaker 1: his stair back there, all right, Hey, Michael Bennett traded

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Speaker 1: rich get richer. I think it's a great deal for

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles when you look at what they're trying

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Speaker 1: We've talked about their formerly. Their recipe is they want

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Speaker 1: thinking here is that you you start with a championship window.

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Speaker 1: not the goal. I appreciate that. The danger this is

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Speaker 1: to me. I think it's fascinating because it really reveals

428
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Speaker 1: who you really really are in your heart. Are your

429
00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 1: team got are you really concerned about the championships or

430
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 1: is it all about the individual glory? And I know

431
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 1: this is really an interesting time at the combine because

432
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,680
Speaker 1: it is a job interview, and so when job interviews,

433
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 1: you what's supposed to put your best foot forward? You're

434
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 1: trying to sell yourself. You have all these guys that

435
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: are asked, who's the best receiving in draft? Everyone always says,

436
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 1: oh me, I'm the bestest, I'm the best stet all

437
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: these other things. And so that question is really a

438
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: good one because it's not problem. You can go wherever

439
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: you want to go with that, and so how you

440
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 1: really feel is going to be how you answer that

441
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: question another question. Look, it's fun. I enjoyed talking with

442
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 1: the general managers. Will be uh putting out some more

443
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 1: of that content we got from talking with all those

444
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: guys as we marched towards the draft art. We're gonna

445
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 1: get the mink of Fitzpatrick and Derwin James in just

446
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Speaker 1: a minute. But I combed through these combine numbers is

447
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do about get this

448
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 1: big print out, got all the testing numbers for everybody,

449
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 1: and I just kind of go through it. I highlighted

450
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. I just want to run through

451
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: a couple of them with you, some interesting things. I'll

452
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 1: start the offensive line here. James Daniels buck seven to

453
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: nine three comb for him, which is ridiculous for an

454
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He was six oh three three so six

455
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,959
Speaker 1: three and three eight three six pounds um and did

456
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: not run the forty. Uh he's gonna do that at

457
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 1: his pro day. But man, I thought his field workout

458
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: was outstanding. And then when I saw those numbers and

459
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 1: the other short shuttles four four oh so. To put

460
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: it in perspective, James Daniels three cone was was faster

461
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: than Bradley Chubb's defensive end from NC State. That's not

462
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: normal for a center, There's really not. But when you

463
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: looked at the position of drills when I watched him,

464
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: when he did some of the pin and fold drills,

465
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: you can see him move and get to the second level,

466
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: and it matched up with the guy that I saw

467
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: on tape. His athleticism is real. I think he's an

468
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: easy pick if you're stuck in the twenties and you

469
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 1: don't really know high I think. I think he's one

470
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 1: of those guys. Okay, you know what, I don't really

471
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Speaker 1: I'm not in love with anybody. Let's take him. He's

472
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna be solid. He'd be with us for ten years.

473
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Speaker 1: He's a fairway pick. Just get it right down. The

474
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: talk about doubles. There you go, there, you go. Colton

475
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: Miller is one. There's always guys I feel like, okay,

476
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: I need to go back and revisit a little bit.

477
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: He was six eight and five or six ft eight

478
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: and five eights, so six o eight five there ended

479
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 1: up running. Uh. Look, he had a four nine five,

480
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous. Um as ten was a one six seven,

481
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: which is outstanding. His shuttles. I talked about seven to

482
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: nine for James Daniels. His was a seven three four

483
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: in the three cone, which is excellent for a tackle. There.

484
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: There's people there's big grades on him throughout the league.

485
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: Some other people are down on him. I do not

486
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: have him my top fifty. I think I'm definitely in

487
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Speaker 1: the minor already there. I saw him struggle against Texas

488
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 1: A and M saw him struggle against Oregon. I don't

489
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for the other past rush

490
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: as he faced in the back twelve this year. But man,

491
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: you talk, Look, it is what it is. When you're

492
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: that big and that athletic, you're gonna go. So when

493
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: I talk to people, um, the consensus that I got

494
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: a second third round somewhere there. However, what happens is

495
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: when you have guys like Orlando Brown and some of

496
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: the other notable names that don't necessarily test will it

497
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: opens up the door for other guys to sneak in.

498
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: We always want a really good player, but we liked

499
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: a good player to also have athletic traits that make

500
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: us feel good. Colden Miller has the kind of traits

501
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: that you feel good and if an offensive line coach

502
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: is like, hey, I'm a developer, I'm a teacher, maybe

503
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: he could have a high seal. Go through. Just a

504
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: couple more names here. Royce Freeman, I don't know. I

505
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: think you had a litt affinity for Royce Freeman buck

506
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: uh four or five four, which is playing fast enough

507
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: at the running back position six nine oh three cone

508
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: four one six short shuttle. That's outstanding change of direction

509
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: quickness there for a back to twenty nine pounds. I

510
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: think he kind of slid under the radar there. Thirty

511
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: four inch vertical, nine ten broad. Overall, I thought it

512
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: was a really good day for Royce Freeman. This is

513
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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say about Royce Freeman. Having watched him

514
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Speaker 1: in high school, I believe Royce Freeman hasn't been fully

515
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: He hasn't been utilized to his fullest. I think he

516
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: is a big back that not only can run and

517
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: do all his other things, he catch the ball off

518
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: the backfield. I think he could be one of those

519
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: guys that we talked about in the third round that

520
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: emerges and be like, man, how can we getting We

521
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: never talked right, talk on talk on him. I think

522
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Speaker 1: I think he is the one that we need to

523
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: monitor going forward because he had all those skills. He

524
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Speaker 1: was a big time recruit coming out of high school.

525
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Speaker 1: And then you talk about the athleticism and some of

526
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Speaker 1: the stuff that he brings. I think I think he's

527
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Speaker 1: under the right And we talked about the running back class,

528
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: no question. All right, let's get one wide receiver here,

529
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Speaker 1: Dylan Cantrell from Texas Tech, who was six o two seven,

530
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: which is almost six ft three, two hundred and twenty

531
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Speaker 1: six pounds. A big dude. Ran a four or five nine,

532
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: which is plenty fast enough for a guy that size,

533
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: thirty eight and a half ver ten ten broad, a

534
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Speaker 1: four oh three re short shuttle, which is outstanding. A

535
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: six five six three cone. That's a heck of a workout, man,

536
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: great workout. He doesn't drop the ball either. When you

537
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: study him, he doesn't. He was expected to be a freak,

538
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: and I think he lives up to it. Um can't

539
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: trail is funny because it kind of reminds me of

540
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: this guy. And maybe you were in Baltimore. He eventually

541
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: got there. I don't know if remember Alex Banister. Yeah, yeah,

542
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: from Nevada. He wasn't there when I was there, but

543
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: he was from eastern Kentucky for US, Okay, he was

544
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: like six ft five right in Seattle. We drafted him.

545
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: He ended up being a multiple time Pro bowler as

546
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Speaker 1: a special teamer because he was big, he was physical

547
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: enough to see tames. Because seems good can't trail to

548
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: me looking at his numbers in his workout. Maybe he

549
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: gets on the field as a wide receiver. But these

550
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: are the ideal kind of guys that man in your

551
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: your special teams. He looks like a core special teamer,

552
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: just on that big enough to do a bunch of

553
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: different things. All right, I have a bunch of other

554
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: guys high Live. I'm just gonna go through a couple

555
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: more here, Harold Landry from Boston College, somebody we've talked

556
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: a bunch about. Buck. He was tall. Here. He was

557
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: listed in the spring when they went through there at

558
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: six o one seven and under six ft two, which

559
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: is not good. He was six o two three, so

560
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: six two and a half. I guess he had a

561
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: heck of a year. Grew darn near an inch um

562
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: six O two three. He was two fifty two which

563
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: is a good way, ran four six four which is great,

564
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: one five nine ten which is outstanding. Uh thirty six

565
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: verse nine eleven broad and then the short shuttles talked

566
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Speaker 1: about a little bit this on air. Seven or below

567
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: is ideal for edge rushers when you look at the

568
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: last ten years and the big time guys are all

569
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: there clear. Mack I think was seven oh waight, but

570
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: hovering right around seven he was. He was six point

571
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Speaker 1: eight eight in the three cone, which was outstanding. And

572
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Speaker 1: I mentioned Bradley Chubb. I think was seven. Uh Chubb

573
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Speaker 1: was seven three three. I believe he was seven three seven?

574
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: Was was Bradley Chubb? So man, the testing nowards when

575
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: you look at that and you look at the production

576
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Speaker 1: from the year before, and he was injured a little

577
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Speaker 1: bit this year, so it's interesting. I'm big. I'm a

578
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Speaker 1: huge Harold Landry fan. I've putting big. I posted big

579
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: rays on him. I said, he reminded me of von

580
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: Miller when I looked at von Miller and him in

581
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: terms of his ability to bend in bursts. I am

582
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: willing to go all in on Harold Andry and say

583
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: that he is the most slept on pass rusher in

584
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: this draft. I know that Bradley Chubb is a monster.

585
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: I noticed some other guys who have potential, Marcus Davenport,

586
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: are and Key and some others. But if I'm willing

587
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: to put like a red star on someone making it,

588
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: Harold Landry to me, is going to make and he's

589
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: gonna making his space. I think he's gonna be one

590
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: of the sac leaders that we talked about in the

591
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: next five years. There you go, Uh look he's somebody again.

592
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: I'll go back and watch a little bit more of

593
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 1: I think I have him in the thirties. Maybe I'm

594
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: too low when it's all said and done. Uh Tony

595
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: Brown from Alabama who's taped almost non existent but five

596
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Speaker 1: eleven seven so almost six hundred ninety nine pounds ran

597
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: four three five, which is silly um and then shuttle

598
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: y six seven eight and four one one, which are

599
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: really good numbers. So I was standing in track and field. Guy,

600
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Speaker 1: five star recruit coming in. You gotta figure out a

601
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: what kept held him back at Alabama? A very very

602
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: talented athlete and prosper Last one Justin Reid from Stanford,

603
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: who I'm not super high on on the tape, but Bucky,

604
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: he's got five picks. He ran four four flatty jump,

605
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: thirty six and a half, broad ten, eight, shuttle six six,

606
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: five and four one five, which you're outstanding when you

607
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: look at traits and you look at production. He's gonna go.

608
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: He's going to go. He's a smart guy. He comes here.

609
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: He has legacy because his brother played in the league,

610
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: was a first round pick. He is someone that, um

611
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: what we say, like it, I love it. He's gonna go.

612
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it here real quick. Minca, Fitzpatrick,

613
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Speaker 1: Derwin James. We touched on it last episode. Is there

614
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: any chance at all that Derwin James could end up

615
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: leap frog a Minca? I don't know. I don't think so.

616
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: But here's what I will say. Having had both of

617
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: these guys on a team at the same time, which

618
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: for those don't know, explain that. So uh In high

619
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: school when Minca and Derwin James. We're coming through the circuit.

620
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Speaker 1: Both of these guys were on the Nike Opening Regional

621
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: tour culminated in the Opening is held on Nike's campus. Uh.

622
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: We have a seven or seven competition. Both of these

623
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: guys were on my team one year. I had Minka

624
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: for two years, Um had Derwin for one. I will

625
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: say that both of these guys are versatile. Both of

626
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: these guys are hybrids. They're hybrids in different ways. Menca

627
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick is a hybrid corner safety uh Nickel. Derwin James

628
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: to me is a safety slash hybrid linebacker pass Russia,

629
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: which is kind of weird to see a big guy

630
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: that can do that. Um. Personality wise, Minka was always

631
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: more quiet, very serebrout, very smart. Derwin James he's alpha.

632
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: He's an alpha all day high football like you. But

633
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: his presence is felt. If you put the two of

634
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: them in a room, you feel Derwin james presence a

635
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: little more than Minca. Not a knock on them, but

636
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: it's very similar to the presence that Jamal Adams brings

637
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: to the field. That's how Derwin James is. So I

638
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, it depends on

639
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. Both of these guys are very

640
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: very good players. Mink and Fitzpatrick has better tape than

641
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Derwin gen more production, more ball production. Darwin James doesn't

642
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: have the production. But there is something where sometimes you

643
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: just are like, man, the traits, what he brings to

644
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: the field, and then the extra peak. I say that

645
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: you came to me in the summer, when you're up

646
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: in the opening and you had a chance to look

647
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: at It's like whoa. It's easy to fall in love

648
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: because you're like, I can bind that, I can buy

649
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: that product because he is all ball all the time.

650
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: So both guys go. I think Minka goes first, but

651
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Derwin James by the end of the process maybe a

652
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: top jam prospect. Well this is uh, this leads me

653
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: into my top fifty update here because I had a

654
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: couple of changes here. Um, I'll get to the guys

655
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: I added to the list in just a second. But

656
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I had Bradley Chubb as number four four, I moved

657
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: him up to number three, So I've got se Kwon

658
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: Barkley one, Quentin Nelson to that has been the way

659
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: I've had it previously. You know, you're not as high

660
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: on Nelson. We've been there. I'm going back and forth.

661
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go back and look

662
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: at him for a third time and just make sure.

663
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Am I just being kind of And this is what

664
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: people And by the way, this drives me nuts when

665
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: people say, how are you gonna change your opinions based

666
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: off of a comma? I like, no, I said, I've

667
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: watched to get through is the number of guys we

668
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: have to get through to be able to talk about him.

669
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: Get through two games, and we always talk about get

670
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: him in the right neighborhood. Eventually we'll get him in

671
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: the right house. So now it's like, okay, well I

672
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: saw that. Now let me go back and watch the

673
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: tape and watch more and see if I can sort

674
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: this guy out and stack him. And the other thing

675
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: is when you're when you're going through and throwing grades

676
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: on guys and throwing grades on guys, maybe you watch

677
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: like I go by position, which some people don't do that,

678
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: but I go by position. But still I might watch

679
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the top guy would be the first

680
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: guy I watch. I watched nine, ten, eleven, twelve other players.

681
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: Then I get to guy I watched him, so I

682
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: put grades on him. But then at the end, when

683
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: you get towards the bottom, you have to go back,

684
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Let's go watch him. Back to it always let's watch

685
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: this guy and immediately watch that guy who's better. So

686
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: it's always tweaking. It depends on how the process starts.

687
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll bounce around, I'll look at the list, I'll

688
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: look at like a tough do you listen. I'll just

689
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: kind of go by player, and then you're trying to

690
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: stack him my player. You're trying to get it. But

691
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: it also depends on when you watch him. Did I

692
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: watch him early in the morning. Did I watch him

693
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: at night when I was a little tired. Did I

694
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: nod off a little bit? Like did I miss a

695
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: player too? M I ding him too hard on? And

696
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: I am I too hard on him now that I've

697
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: seen some other guys, like I feel like he's always

698
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: on the ground, But then I look at like he

699
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: ain't on the ground a lot compared to this other guys,

700
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: and so that's it's always a work in progress, and

701
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: so that's what it is. Ultimately, we always say I

702
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: just want to be right On draft day, I wanted

703
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: all this as a journey to get to the final destination.

704
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: All that matters is that you get to the right

705
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: spot at the end of the journey, at the end

706
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: of the journey. And not only that. Here's the trick

707
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: on our side now because we're not with the team.

708
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: You know, when we're with the teams, easier, it's a

709
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: thousand times easier with it. When you're with the team,

710
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: you're trying to get the player right. You're trying to

711
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: make sure that a coach here's where he's going to

712
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: be in two to three years. When you're on outside,

713
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: the challenges to avoid trying to be right on draft night, See,

714
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: I told you he was gonna be the first guy taken.

715
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: That's not what it is. You want to be able

716
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: to hope that your report is evergreen, that in three years,

717
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: if I click on interfo, I comment, I pulled up

718
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: a report. What I said it is coming to fruition,

719
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: right or wrong or whatever. That's what you want. You

720
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: don't want to say like, hey, I told you he

721
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: was gonna be he's number four. No, I wanted to

722
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: stand the test of time and be able to own

723
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: it when I when I have to look back on

724
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: in a couple of years. And that goes back to

725
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: scouting with your eyes and not your ears. Uh. Denzel Award,

726
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: I had hm as a top corner because I have

727
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: mankolicted as a safety, but I moved I had him

728
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: at number eight. Buck, that joker is so explosive. I

729
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: moved him up to number four. Last year. I loved

730
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I love Lattimore. I think I ended up Latimore having

731
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: him like four or five on my list, And in hindsight,

732
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: grade wise, if I had just stacked himup by grade,

733
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I should have had him at one or two. So

734
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not doing that. This year. I got

735
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: a huge grade on Denzel Award. I've seen it with

736
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: my own eyes. I put him up there at number four.

737
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a pro bowler. Here's what,

738
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: Here's what. Here's what I've always learned. I've learned from

739
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: really really good scouts. If you're gonna go go big,

740
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: because no one will remember you when you just play

741
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: a safe. So if you are convicted on the player,

742
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: go all the way in. We're hopeful. If you're good,

743
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: you're bad on your prospects. So the guys that you

744
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: feel strongly about you have to go all in, and

745
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: so if you have a conviction about Denzel Wore have

746
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: been a terrific player. I think the grade has to

747
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: reflect that, because the worst thing is to get and

748
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: someone is reading the report and the report is glowing,

749
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: and then you get to the grade. Weren't weren't worm

750
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: go all the way in and he read a lot

751
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: better than that. What happens there? The rest of my

752
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: top ten here real quick tremain Edmunds at five, the

753
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: town linebacker from Virginia Tech. He's a freak, Minka at six.

754
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: Then I got the quarterbacks, Sam Donald seven, Josh Roseen eight,

755
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Derwin James, who we discussed nine, Vita Via ten um.

756
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: That's the top ten there, and then just the eleven

757
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: and twelve real Kuan Smith and Marcus Davenports. There only Moore.

758
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: I get to Baker at thirteen and Josh Allen at fourteen. Okay,

759
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: the only question I would have on that is a

760
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Sam I'm donald number one quarterback, but Sam Donald is

761
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: not in the top five in terms of prospects. I

762
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: think that's reflective on you seeing that he's a bit

763
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: of a bit of a developmental guy. Might need sometime,

764
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: but He's just not the finished product right now. The

765
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: other thing, Josh Allen at four teen, how much did

766
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: the combat the combine past? See the arrows and see

767
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: the arrows not to the players? Nothing? What did it?

768
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: What I do? No movement? So I mean that nothing.

769
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: He threw the heck out of it, and I knew

770
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: he would throw the heck out of it. Baker Mayfield

771
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: threw the heck out of it too, he had it

772
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: that Nothing that either one of those guys did really

773
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: surprise me. I think both of them have a chance

774
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: to be really, really good. I just I think there's

775
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: a little separation personally just from the tape of the

776
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: top two versus the next two. Absolutely, Now how close

777
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: your grades between Mayfield and Alan very close, very close,

778
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: and in fact, like if you looked at Alan's grade,

779
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: let's just get way in the weeds, but it has

780
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: that D on the end. So the more developmental developmental,

781
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: So Baker get on the field a little bit faster.

782
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: Alan actually has a little bit hig or grade, but

783
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: he has a D next to him development. So that's

784
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: how that's how you sort through all that stuff. That's

785
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: cool because so if we were doing this because just

786
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: so people understand, when we are talking about a top

787
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: fifty you're here is referred to a vertical board, meaning

788
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: we're just taking the players, ranking them. If we were

789
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: at the park and just picking players in a pickup game.

790
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: This is how they're stacked. So right now you have

791
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Bayfield at thirteen, Josh Allen that fourteen, which means they're

792
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: touching their cars, are touching the pump. The show there

793
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: right there. Um the new names real quick. Will Hernandez,

794
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: who I had not done before the first list came out.

795
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: He jumps in there. I think at is loving at him.

796
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: He's player. Jesse Bates another one who I've done, uh

797
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: recently from Wake Forest. I've talked a bunch about him

798
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: on here. Former baseball players, center field and natural ball

799
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: skills love his game. Young kids who is a sophomore,

800
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: Richard sophomore. Uh. He comes in at number thirty. I've

801
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: got d J. Moore another one who I've done since then,

802
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: who I think is a really really interesting wide receiver products.

803
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: This is another topic for another day, but I wanted

804
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: to just get your quick thought on this. I was

805
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: going through and looking at receiver reports and grades from

806
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: previous years, and I was. I was actually talking to

807
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: somebody from a team and going over the guys, guys

808
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: you've got right in free agency as well as a draft.

809
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: So we started throwing out all these names and I said,

810
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, it just struck me. Said, what's that? I said,

811
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: the one trade. And we've we've talked about how polished

812
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: route runners is the way to go versus the more

813
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: wrong guys. But I said, the one trade. All these

814
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: guys that hit on at the wide receiver position. I

815
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: don't think people pay attention to toughness. Oh it's it's underrated,

816
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: underrated aspect of that position. He was like, kept going

817
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: through all these listen names my tough, tough, tough, tough,

818
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: and DJ more to me is a tough dude. Underrating

819
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: when you think about the guys to cook up tough, physical, tough.

820
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: They weren't afraid of contact. They did the dirty work.

821
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: They were working inside. The numbers may not be the fastest,

822
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: both were polished, the route runners, and so they found

823
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: a way to have success. They also would put in roles.

824
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: They kind of excinuated their strengths as players. But toughness

825
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: is a good thing, and we really go back to

826
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: our herder parts and how we were brought up in

827
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: the business. You were brought up in Baltimore. Speed always instincts.

828
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: You always talked about that in Seattle, but really in Carolina,

829
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: we talked about you gotta have tough guys. We wanted smart, fast,

830
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: physical Guess what we were about. I wanted I wanted

831
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: guys that had high i q s. Guys who were

832
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: college graduates, Guys who were fast, and they had to

833
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: be physical. They had to love contact, you know. So

834
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: that's why you see guys like Steve Smith play for us.

835
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: The last three guys here, I know, we gotta get

836
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: to an interview. We're gonna roll here with with Ryan

837
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: Flaherty uh Rashad Penny uh running back of Stanego State,

838
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: comes in towards the bottom. Austin Corbett uh tackle. I

839
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: think is gonna kick inside from Nevada. I think he'll

840
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: be a second round pick. Nathan Shepherd, small school Fort

841
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: Hayes State was dominant at the Senior Bowl before getting hurt.

842
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: Had a phenomenal combine. Kind of reaffirmed what you saw,

843
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: which was him dominating at a low level of competition.

844
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I think he's probably in that the league wise. When

845
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: you talk to folks, some have him middle, second, some

846
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: have him third. I have in the top fifty right now.

847
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: I just kind of want to get his name on

848
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: the radar and put him in no. I mean those

849
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: last three guys that you talked about on the streets.

850
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation about him polarizing a little

851
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: bit in terms of her shot Penny. Some people I

852
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: think he can be outstanding. Some people like I don't

853
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: really see it. I need to go back with Corbett

854
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: when we think about all these offensive linement. If you're

855
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: not in love with anybody at the top, you're trying

856
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: to find developmental guys who have kind of the trays

857
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: to play well enough to maybe I can put a

858
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: little a little sticker on this guy and we can

859
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: find him in the second third round. He's in the

860
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: kid who and the Nathan Shepherd really good at the

861
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: senior that's what you wanted to look like. I know

862
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: that really big physical um shows up, continues to check

863
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: the box, and I heard he interviews very very well.

864
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: So it it is on the rise for him, no question.

865
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: All right, this is our this is our chat we

866
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: had with Ryan Flaherty mentioned it a little bit earlier.

867
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: He has trained all the top quarterbacks, the two top

868
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: poor quarterbacks in each of the last eight draft classes.

869
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: This year, he's worked with some of the best as well.

870
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: So this is our chat we had with Ryan Flaherty

871
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: at the combine. All Right, Buck, I'm excited for our

872
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: next guest here. We have a big time dude, and

873
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the credentials here in a second,

874
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: because maybe the most impressive credentials we look on the

875
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: whole of anybody we've ever had on show, Ryan Flair.

876
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: He has been on with us before Senior Director Performance

877
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: at Nike. Ryan, First of all, thanks for thanks for

878
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: joining me, Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it

879
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: being here. All Right, I'm gonna run through this list

880
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: because it's it's in president. Ryan's been on before. Helped

881
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: us when we're talking about quarterbacks because he's trained a

882
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, and I say a lot of

883
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: these guys. Here's the numbers, Uh, just just eighteen of

884
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: the thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Ryan's got

885
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: his hands on and helped train those guys. You look

886
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: at the last eight drafts, Buck, top two quarterbacks each

887
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: draft he's had him, so he has worked with all

888
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: the best players in the nation, especially at this quarterback position.

889
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna pick his brain a little bit here. Ryan.

890
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to know, just curious how

891
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: you got into this this field. Yeah, and I just

892
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: fell into it actually, UM. I kind of in between

893
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: going back to school and trying to figure out what

894
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: I want to do after my playing career ended. I

895
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: u a trainer that I was working with when I

896
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: was young, UM track and field coach, and said, hey,

897
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: you want to come, you know, work with me and

898
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: train some guys. So I started doing that a little bit,

899
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: just before I was gonna go back to either business

900
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: school or UM, you know, get a real job kind

901
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: of a thing. UH. And one thing led to another

902
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: heat and I ended up working with UH somehow, getting

903
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: hired on at USA Track and Field, and UM started

904
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: doing research for them sports science for them while I

905
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: was getting my masters in. UM started learning about speed

906
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: and how math and you know science kind of plays

907
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: a role into performance, and I just fell in love

908
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: with it. And so one thing led to another. I

909
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: started working with you know, high school kids and college guys,

910
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: and then UM, Yeah, it's funny because the NFL is

911
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: a very word of mouth, you know place, and so

912
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I think quickly, you know, guys start hearing or seeing

913
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: guys performally well, and they're like, oh, well where are

914
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: you at? So uh, they start they follow each other,

915
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, here we are ten years later. So yeah,

916
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: pretty crazy, um man, DJ read off the names and

917
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: the numbers of quarterbacks that you've had the opportunity to

918
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: touch and get around. Talk a little bit about what

919
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: is it that you're able to do when it comes

920
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: to their movement skills, their athleticism to help them become

921
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: better athletes, which allows him to become better quarterbacks. Yeah,

922
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: and it's no you know, I have a lot of

923
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: good relationship with a lot of the strange coach in

924
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: the NFL um and in college, and I think it's

925
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: no knock on anybody in any level. I think it's

926
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: just a matter of the amount of time we get

927
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: with them. You know, in college they're really really relegated

928
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: to short windows of time to work with the guys.

929
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: They've got a ton of ton of kids that they're

930
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: all working with and trying to make the best of

931
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: the situation. To where I can spend three hours with

932
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: somebody a day and really really dive in deep. So

933
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: for us, when I'm looking at a quarterback, one of

934
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: the biggest things we're looking at is is there's two.

935
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: So first and foremost it's all about injury prevention. I'm

936
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how can I help this guy

937
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: stay healthy throughout his career. Um. Everyone kind of points

938
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: to the work I've done with Russell Wilson over the years,

939
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: where you know, the guy's taken some pretty big hits.

940
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: He's a real mobile guy, takes a lot of it's

941
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: but basically way he takes care of his body, he's

942
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: you know it really hasn't missed a practice in five years, UM.

943
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: And it's all on how in the preparation and the

944
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: way he treats his body. So first and foremost we're

945
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: looking at imbalance. So first of all, you look at

946
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: in injury. Risk of injury is injury history. So you

947
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: look back at the guy's you know, career and going

948
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: out in high school and college at these injuries, and

949
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: this can kind of lead it to X, Y and Z. UM.

950
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two is asymmetry. So the imbalance

951
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: between somebody's left and right arm, left and right leg,

952
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: how much power they create because you run from left

953
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: leg to right leg, you can change direction from left

954
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: to right UM, and it all happens in what's called

955
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: the centric phase of the movement. So we look at

956
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of different stuff on force plates. UM, we

957
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: take a ton of measurements, a bunch of muscle testing,

958
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: and I can get give a guy a really clear

959
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: picture as to what is imbalances are left and right leg,

960
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: right and left arm, And we try to make those imbalances,

961
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, as symmetrical as possible as you humanly can UM.

962
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: And and with that, I know we can lower the

963
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: risk of injury. So we really take a full, full

964
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: blown injury prevention approach with every guy, UM first and foremost,

965
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: and then it's and then we start working in to

966
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: BUYO mechanics and you know how they throw and you know,

967
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: like the biggest muscle you know for upper body torso

968
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: rotation is uh what's called the contralto internal obliques. I'm

969
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: getting ready, firt UM. But like so, we do a

970
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: lot pliometric core exercises to really train UM their core

971
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 1: to help support the movement they do on the field.

972
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: So all we're trying to do in the weight room

973
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: with with what the work I do is just support

974
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: the movement they have on the field, make that better.

975
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: A lot of college kids come to me really locked

976
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: down in their hips, like lack of uh, you know,

977
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: range of motion there through their pelvis, so not a

978
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: lot of rotation through their upper body and association between

979
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: their pelvis and upper bodies. So we do a lot

980
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: of core exercises, a lot of flexibility work, um. And

981
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: and the way we approach it is unlike you know,

982
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: in the years past, my first started doing this is

983
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: all about the combine. The combine was everything, um. But

984
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: the way we approach it now is it's very very

985
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: much about like we're training these guys for the for

986
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: their rookie year, so as this is a step in

987
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: the process, but how how can we approach this offseason

988
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: for them is the first only time in their career

989
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: they'll be able to just focus on themselves. So we

990
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: take a really like, you know, wide holistic approach to saying, Okay,

991
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: how do we help this kid you know, develop in

992
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: order for him to have a really good, strong rookie

993
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: year and set himself up for a strong career. And

994
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: the combine is a step in that process. It's not

995
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: that we don't take it serious, but it's just it's it's,

996
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, a day in the in the kind of

997
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: timeline of their initial rookie year. I want to jump

998
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: into some of these guys you're working with this year,

999
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: and let's let's start with Sam Donald when he showed up.

1000
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I know you talked about being able to unlock the

1001
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: hips and guys can be a little bit tight. There

1002
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: Where was he when he showed up and how how

1003
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: has that process been getting him loosened up? Yeah, so,

1004
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and it's again no knock on

1005
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: anything they've done in the past. It's just, you know,

1006
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: at the college level, they're they're trying to develop these

1007
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: kids as quick as they can and a lot of

1008
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: the exercise they do tend to kind of uh lock

1009
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: the pelvis down, and so as a quarterback especially, that's

1010
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: the last thing you want. You want as much dissociation

1011
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: between the pelvis and the and the upper torso because

1012
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: every degree of separation is kind of one mile an

1013
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: hour on the ball, and and the velocity you know,

1014
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: at this level is huge. So um, we're really looking

1015
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: to work on that. He he came in. You know,

1016
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: he he really worked hard on his hips. They I

1017
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: talked to the staff there and they they kind of

1018
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: passed along all the stuff they've been doing with him. Um.

1019
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: But I feel like because of the amount of time

1020
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: we got with him, we really focused on that um

1021
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and and he's gotten a lot better. I was really,

1022
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: you know, bummed that he's not gonna throw, but he'll

1023
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: throw his pro day and you guys will see kind of, um,

1024
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, the progression he's had and how his body

1025
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: is moving. And a lot of people came back from

1026
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: st and and his coaches watched him and we're like, man,

1027
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: he's he's really moving well. And I think I'm really

1028
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: excited for everybody kind of see how how the progression

1029
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: he's at and kind of how much more flexible he

1030
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: is and how much you know, harder he s throwing

1031
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: the ball. Now, how long have you had him? How

1032
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: long have you had these guys, like, uh, normally, how

1033
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: long does your program if we're trying to work to

1034
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: cycle up to the COMBA, how many weeks do you

1035
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: need to begin to show some improvements or changes in

1036
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: the way that they performed. Yeah, you know, it's it's

1037
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting because when you start to get into into

1038
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: like the really details of you know, the force play

1039
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: work we do and locking in on all, right, here's

1040
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: this kid's major weakness and in balance and really hard

1041
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: like focusing on that for two to three weeks, you

1042
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: can see changes pretty quick. I mean we we've seen

1043
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: about two weeks some some market improvements, so it doesn't

1044
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: take too long. I think it's just a matter of

1045
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: what what a lot of these kids learned. And Deshaun

1046
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Watson is a perfect example. Um, you know, last year,

1047
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: based on all the testing we did, we knew he

1048
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: was at a really high risk for injury. Um yeah,

1049
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: and we knew that, he knew that, everybody knew that,

1050
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: and he knew what he needed to continue to do

1051
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: over the course of his rookie year. What ends up

1052
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: happening is they start to get a little success, you know,

1053
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: goes from training to a way more heavy weighted football

1054
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: and film work and all that stuff, and kind of

1055
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, lost the side of I still need to

1056
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: work on this every day, and I think that's the

1057
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: biggest thing. So I've had them since January and a

1058
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff we're gonna do this is something

1059
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: these guys have to stay on, you know, twice a

1060
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: week in order for the improvements to stick. I think

1061
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: people always think, oh, well, you know, I'm gonna do

1062
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: this eight weeks of training and or ten weeks of

1063
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: training and everything will be good from then on out.

1064
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: It's it's every day. If you don't keep up some

1065
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: of the exercises with the way your body is built,

1066
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: the bounces we have, if you don't keep them up

1067
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: consistently over the entire year, they it will revert right

1068
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: back to uh square one, which is you know, for

1069
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys locked down hips or underdeveloped

1070
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: vmos or week loop meats and all the stuff that

1071
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: that are that goes into injury evention will will kind

1072
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: of revert back to the old way and they're right

1073
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: back to high risk. So it's something these guys have

1074
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: to stay on the entire year. But to answer a question, sorry,

1075
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: I've been interested. They've been here since January one, and

1076
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: I'll stay with him until April one. No, that's great.

1077
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: On Sam, one of the things you helped us with

1078
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: when when Mariota were coming out was coming out as

1079
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: well with jamis is you get this eight weeks around

1080
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: these guys only get a chance to train their body.

1081
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: You get to learn about these guys and what makes

1082
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: him tick personality wise. Sam Donald a little bit. People

1083
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: think he's introverted, he's quiet, he's to himself. I have

1084
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: been around him a couple of times. I've seen him

1085
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: come out of his show a little bit. Tell us

1086
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: about the Sam Donald. Give us maybe a story about

1087
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: Sam Donald that the people out there don't don't understand

1088
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: what he's all about. Sam's awesome, man. I it's funny

1089
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: because look again, like I said, I've I've been doing

1090
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: this now ten years and being around all these top guys,

1091
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting. You start to see for me, I always

1092
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: keeping notes on everybody, and you kind of look at

1093
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: these similarities between all of them. Right, they all have

1094
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: certain aspects about them that that make them really special

1095
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: and make them elite. Um, Sam, I have to pinch

1096
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: my I was telling someone the other day, I like,

1097
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself all the time that Sam's twenty.

1098
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: Like it, it blows my mind when I was twenty

1099
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: years old. I don't really need to tell this on

1100
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: on air and now what I was doing at twenty

1101
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: years old, but it was not what he's doing, you know,

1102
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: and the maturity that he has at twenty, Um, how

1103
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: stock he is, how how how kind of even kill

1104
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: and and it's real, like I I've I've pushed I

1105
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: pushed his buttons more than I think I've ever pushed. Well,

1106
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: Mark him and Marks Mariot are the two I've always

1107
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: tried to break just to get a feel like what's

1108
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: really here because I know they're gonna face adversity, like

1109
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: how do they react to that? And he just stays steady.

1110
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: It's always like it's no big deal, Like whatever happens here,

1111
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna move on. It's like I can analyst, it's

1112
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: no big deal. He's he You'll just what you know

1113
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: you're getting with Sam is just a very very steady

1114
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: leader who and a kid who knows who he is.

1115
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I talked to these guys about

1116
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: this all the time. But you either you're in your

1117
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: playing career either going to experience the pain of discipline

1118
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: or the pain of regret, one of the two. You

1119
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You're gonna get through your career

1120
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: and you're gonna look back. Dang, I really wish I

1121
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: was more disciplined or you're gonna look back and be like,

1122
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: you know, you have no regret because you were so whatever.

1123
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: So I think I think for him, he's never gonna,

1124
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, experience the pain of regret because he he

1125
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: just he knows how to be discipline, he knows what,

1126
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: he knows what he's working for, and you know, always

1127
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: look back to kind of like the parent structure too.

1128
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: He's he's has He has a really really good parents

1129
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: who are super supportive, not pushing in and pushing anyway

1130
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: or you know, over the top with with how they

1131
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: pairing him. They just let Sam be him, but they're

1132
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: very supportive of him, and I think it shows in

1133
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: who he is and how he performs. But yeah, he's

1134
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: even killed, You're never gonna see him up and down.

1135
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you have a kid like Josh Allen,

1136
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: who is a remarkable athlete. We rave about him in

1137
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: the Scout of community about his athleticism, the unbelievable combination

1138
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: of talent state he has. What did you see from

1139
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: him when he first walked in your doors. I've never

1140
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: seen an arm like this in my life. Like I've

1141
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: been around a lot of quarterbacks. His arm is beyond

1142
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: elite it will be what every arm is measured against.

1143
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: Uh at his prote he'll probably throw the ball ninet yards,

1144
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: no joke. The other day we're on the com I'm

1145
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: not kidding, He'll throw it niney yards. Just wait, I

1146
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: promise you, I'll bet a car on it. He would.

1147
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: He will throw the ball in ninety yards. His his

1148
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: physical skills, the way his the way his body kind

1149
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: of releases, you know, energy into the ball, unlike I

1150
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: have anything I've ever seen in my life. Um, and

1151
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: that's against all of the top arms, even Jamacus. People

1152
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: always talk about Marcus his arm and what he did

1153
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: as Brody. This arm. It's like people just stand there

1154
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: and watch his deep ball, like that's that can't be real.

1155
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: And I go around, ja Marcus, were you around tomorrow? No? No,

1156
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: but I've seen him throw him Yeah, yeah, so I

1157
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: I've seen his arm, and you know, it's it's it's

1158
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: an amazing arm. I was around a guy like Logan

1159
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Thomas Beck, who you know is now a side end

1160
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: in the league. But Logan had an incredible arm. Nobody

1161
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: touches Josh Allen's arm so physically it's it's like it's

1162
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: second to none. I think that's gonna make a lot

1163
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: of people around the league fall in love with him.

1164
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: But the best part is he's he's an awesome kid.

1165
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, I I you know, like you said earlier,

1166
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I've had the top two quarterbacks in the draft the

1167
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: past few years, and you can kind of see, you know,

1168
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: everybody every year they're the They're they're the alpha, they're

1169
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: the big you know, the big man of campus. They're

1170
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: coming into this program. They're always like there's always this

1171
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: point of contention when I'm talking to them initially before

1172
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: they come to train with me, like, wait, so you're

1173
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: gonna have that guy too. With these two kids, it

1174
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, awesome, I can't wait to work with him.

1175
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: They love being around each other. They push each other

1176
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: every single day. There's that competitive nature, but like it's

1177
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a respectful, you know competition where they they

1178
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: understand that one team is gonna fall in love with

1179
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: each of them and they're just there to push each other. Um,

1180
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: which I I love that at out these guys. Um So,

1181
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Josh is physically gonna blow you away, um, but also

1182
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: mentally he's really smart and I think, you know, the

1183
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: offense he comes from is very similar with what the

1184
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: kid I had a couple of years of, Carson Wentz.

1185
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: They came from the same same head coach, same system. Uh,

1186
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna be further along on the board. And I

1187
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: think people are realized. Um, and I think to you know, look,

1188
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: not to knock anything Josh has been through in his

1189
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: in his career, but a lot of these other kids

1190
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: have a lot more talent around him at the college level.

1191
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that to be too mean to

1192
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: the to the teams that he comes from. But I've

1193
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: I watched three games of his this year where balls

1194
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: are falling off guys face masks and and he was

1195
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: doing it so hard they could not catch the ball.

1196
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: I've I've caught form and I'm like, now I'm good,

1197
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm retired. I don't need this crap anymore in

1198
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: my hands. I need to stave of my hands. But

1199
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's unlike anything I've ever seen physically.

1200
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: So it's just two very different kids, uh, from from

1201
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: the way that they're going to lead the team. And

1202
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: and you know, but Sam, to compare Sam to Josh,

1203
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: his his accuracy is is like up there with the

1204
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is of of the league. So I think

1205
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: it just kind of depends on on what you're looking

1206
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: for and what's the right fit for you. But both

1207
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: these kids, I think are gonna be stars in the league,

1208
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for him. So Cam, you you've been

1209
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: around Cam, how would how would Josh? Even just as

1210
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: and as maybe as an athlete? We talked about the

1211
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: arm strength Josh runs around makes some place to look.

1212
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Just three guys look at it, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton

1213
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: and then Josh Allen. Just if you're kind of comparing

1214
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: those three guys athletics, great comparison. Actually, yeah, very similar.

1215
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: So I think I think Josh is a little faster

1216
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: than Carson um not probably probably similar to to to Cam.

1217
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be very similar measurable measurables. Josh

1218
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: is very explosive, jumped through the roof. He'll be in

1219
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: the mid thirties first vert um his forties should be

1220
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: round four six range, which I think will be really

1221
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: good for him. Um. So, I think that's a great comparison.

1222
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I think those guys are very very similar. I think

1223
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: Josh is a little bigger than Carson. He's you know,

1224
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: he's a solid to forty five, um, and he's both

1225
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: these kids are so young that their bodies still have

1226
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: so much more development to go. You know, Carson was

1227
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: twenty four, right, so I think his you know, just

1228
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: from a hormone level, all of that stuff, just being

1229
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: shorty level, his body was a little further along, whereas

1230
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: I think Josh and Sam, they they in the eight

1231
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: weeks I've had him have developed so much to the

1232
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, man, in a year from now,

1233
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be you know, I'm gonna love to

1234
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: see where these kids are at that point. So they

1235
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: still have a long way to go, and they're both

1236
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, physically going to be at the top in

1237
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: the league when they would get in there. You know,

1238
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: UM got so much to be excited about with both

1239
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: of these guys. Uh, Sam Donald elected the way to

1240
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: his pro day. What do you expect us to see

1241
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: when he finally is unveiled the new and Sam? You know,

1242
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: It's funny. I when I first started doing this, I

1243
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: used to like, I really took it serious. I still

1244
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: take it really serious. But I think at the end

1245
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: of the day, and I think NFL personnel knows and

1246
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: you guys know this too. It's it's it's not as

1247
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: big of a deal as I think we make it,

1248
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: especially you know, and and and I think with Sam

1249
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: is he's he's going through a progression right now where

1250
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: he's going through a lot of changes physically. We're working

1251
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: on a lot of stuff to help, you know, work

1252
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: through some issues he had, like just you know, hit, mobility,

1253
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, fixing, delivery, all the all

1254
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: the things that he's going through and working on. I

1255
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: think teams are gonna be very, very very pleased with

1256
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: what they see at the pro day. Um. Like I said,

1257
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: his accuracy will well, you'll walk away going like I

1258
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: this kid throws the spots just about as good as

1259
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: anybody coming into the league I've ever seen. Um, you know,

1260
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: he's his antiation anticipation on his throws is is elite.

1261
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: So I think I think they're gonna see a much

1262
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: more refined, mechanically efficient quarterback who's releases quicker, shorter, uh

1263
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: uses his lower body a lot more than he used to.

1264
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: Um And and it is going to impress a lot

1265
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: of people. I think it's it's the progression we're going

1266
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: through right now. To make his rookie year what it

1267
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: needs to be. I think teams, the team that takes

1268
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: him is gonna be really pleased. Last question for me,

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Speaker 1: they will let you run. UH. We're always fascinated with

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, and we look at study the great quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And you've had a chance eighteen of the thirty two starters,

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Speaker 1: you've had your hands on. If you're gonna say, look,

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Speaker 1: they're all different, all different shapes and sizes, arm strength,

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Speaker 1: athletic ability, but maybe the one or two core traits

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Speaker 1: that all these guys have, what would they be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. I would say first and foremost

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Speaker 1: is um like they're just their ability to retain information,

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Speaker 1: um is is next level the UH to be able

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Speaker 1: to throw something at them and have them just apply

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Speaker 1: that right away. Their coach ability even and I can

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Speaker 1: tell that when I'm coaching them, you know by mechanically

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Speaker 1: when they throw or when they run. If they can

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Speaker 1: just take something I talked about and implement it right away,

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Speaker 1: it shows me this kid is really coachable. But not

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Speaker 1: just that can apply take the information and and and

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Speaker 1: put it to use. I think that's number one. I

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Speaker 1: think number two is they they want to be great.

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Speaker 1: I think when you show up every single day and

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Speaker 1: you want to be the best to ever play, UM,

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Speaker 1: it just it requires more of you than um than

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Speaker 1: just being good enough making it to the league. And

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Speaker 1: I think a couple of quarterbacks I've had, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't sit here and tell you that they have that. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think they learned that. You know, Jared Goff is

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Speaker 1: a really good example. I love Jared to death, but

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Speaker 1: I think his first year was what he needed in

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Speaker 1: order for him to understand, Okay, this is what it

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Speaker 1: takes for me to be elite. UM. And And with

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Speaker 1: these two kids, though they have it now, UM, when

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Speaker 1: I bring out other guys like Philip Rivers came out

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Speaker 1: and worked with them. UM. Marcus Mariot is out there

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Speaker 1: working working with them right now, training with alongside them.

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Speaker 1: I mean even Marcus like, damn, I gotta like pick

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Speaker 1: up my game. These two kids are are coming after me.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what I think, UM, I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited about is these two guys really want it, UM.

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Speaker 1: And they they're hard workers and you there's zero issues

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Speaker 1: with them in terms of you know, GMS, our owners

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Speaker 1: fall asleep. And I go and I I hope they're

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Speaker 1: doing the right thing today, like they're there, They've got it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man, I appreciate my pleasure. Man,

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Speaker 1: thank you, guys appreciate alright, black Well, it was what

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Speaker 1: a fun conversation with him. Huh, great conversation. You love

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Speaker 1: to pick the brains of guys who've been around the

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Speaker 1: best in the business in all aspects, and he has

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Speaker 1: certainly done it. He has a formula, a recipe to

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Speaker 1: maximize their talents. More importantly, he kind of has the

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Speaker 1: keys to the car. He knows exactly what it takes

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Speaker 1: to get guys motivated as a scout and evaluate it.

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Speaker 1: I would love to have excess to those guys because

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Speaker 1: they can tell you how I guys tick, no question.

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Speaker 1: All right, that was what what a beefy episode. We're

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Speaker 1: throwing out some beefy episodes, Sully, these last couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Is that time of season? I feel the excitement in

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Speaker 1: our voice, our time. Hey again, I do this every episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't ever want to take grant all the people

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Speaker 1: that leave us those nice ratings and reviews on Apple podcast.

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Speaker 1: That helps us. We are climbing each and every week

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Speaker 1: as we marched towards the draft. We appreciate you guys listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll promise to keep bringing you some good stuff. We've

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Speaker 1: got those three sixties coming Lamar Jackson not that far away.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna drop that here in a few weeks, so

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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that thing. That thing's coming.

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Speaker 1: We'll be doing the same thing on several of the

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Speaker 1: top quarterbacks and players in this draft class will be

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Speaker 1: on the lookout. Thank you again for listening, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to

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Speaker 1: nfl dot com Slash Podcasts.