1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It seems like just yesterday 2 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: we got the news that a beautiful young girl, twenty 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: two year old Gabrielle Gabby Potito's body was found out 4 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: in a dispersed camping area far away from home. But 5 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: where was her boyfriend? The fiance that she traveled across 6 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: the country with vlogging, video blogging the whole way about 7 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: the van life. If you haven't looked at those vlogs, 8 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: they're incredible, She's really talented. Wow. He goes home and 9 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: her van was all of her stuff using her credit cards, 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: but no Gabby. In the last days, a stunning development 11 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: in the case of Gabby Petito, missing, then discovered murdered. 12 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: Her family has now sued the family of so called fiance, 13 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, saying they aided and abedded him while hiding 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: the evidence from Gabby's parents as they desperately tried to 15 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: find their daughter. I mean, when I got pick up 16 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: the twins at school, when they start being five ten 17 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes late, I get out of the car and 18 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I go looking for them. Children have disappeared on school 19 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: playgrounds in school areas. Can you imagine what Gabby Petito's 20 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: parents went through as they called, and they called, and 21 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: they text them, they emailed Laundry's parents and then they 22 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: find out the worst Laundry's home. Gabby's van is parted 23 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: in the driveway, but no Gabby. How do you think 24 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: they felt when they find out the Laundries take Brian 25 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Laundry on a camping trip. They go camping and they 26 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: what sit around the camp fire and have somemores, But 27 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: no Gabby. Nobody said, hey, where's Gabby? Can you imagine 28 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: that feeling in their gut, in their mind and their 29 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: heart when her cell phone goes straight to voicemail every 30 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: single time and they know, but yet they don't know. 31 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about it. I mean it. 32 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: See Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 33 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious Sex. Sim 34 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: One eleven. You know I used to tell that to 35 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: juries all the years I tried feel any cases, you 36 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: can't turn away. You cannot turn away from the truth. 37 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: It is our due to look at the trade and 38 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: determine what is just. Joining me an all star panel 39 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: to make sits of what we know right now. But 40 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: first I want you to listen to our cut one 41 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: from ABC seven. Two heartbroken families now taking the battle 42 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: to court. More than six months after the murder of 43 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: Gabby Potito, her parents, Joseph Potito and Nicole Schmidt, are 44 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: now suing Brian Laundry's family the civil laws, who filed 45 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: in Florida on Thursday, alleges Brian's parents, Christopher and ROBERTA. Laundry, 46 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: knew their son had murdered Gabby on or around August 47 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: twenty eighth of last year. Potito and her fiance left 48 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: New York early July in a van to travel the country. 49 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: After several weeks of visiting national parks, Brian returned to 50 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: Florida in the van without Gabby. When he refused to 51 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: cooperate with authorities, suspicion turned to him, and then he 52 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: went missing. His remains were found weeks later. Think about it. 53 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: We believe Gabby was killed August twenty eight, her body 54 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: was not found until September nineteen. Think about all that 55 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: time the family was left hanging blow it in the wind, 56 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: wondering where is their beautiful girl? With me and All 57 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Star Panel to make sense of what we know right 58 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: now and bringing you the very latest on this lawsuit 59 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: of what if anything, we will learn in court. First 60 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: of all, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags. Wendy Patrick. 61 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: She's a star of Today with doctor Wendy kcb Q 62 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: when you can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. 63 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: Renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. Karen Stark, you 64 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: can find her at Karen Stark dot com. That's Karen 65 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: with a C. Cheryl McCollum, Founder and Director of the 66 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, forenstick specialist and you can find 67 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: her at cold Case Crimes dot org. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 68 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 69 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: and star of a brand new another brand new hit series, 70 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: This is Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart. But 71 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: first to senior correspondent Special Guests joining us Fox News, 72 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: Laura Ingle, Laura, does it never end with the laundries? 73 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: Does it never end? I mean, don't you think that 74 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: at some point they would have held out an olive 75 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: branch for Pete's sake and said, listen, we're gonna fight. 76 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna fly to your place this weekend. I know 77 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: you hate us right now, but let us tell you 78 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: our side of what happened, what we knew, when we 79 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: knew it, what we thought we knew, what we didn't know. 80 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: To set your heart at rest? Can they not do that? 81 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: And if not, why not? Laura Ingle? You know what 82 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: it's been months later, High Nancy. You know, we knew 83 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: that this was coming. We knew that the family members 84 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: of Gabby Petito, the parents the two sets, were going 85 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: to be filing a lawsuit, and last week it was 86 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: finally put down in black and white. It is a 87 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: civil lawsuit filed against Chris and Roberto Laundry. And while 88 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: there is not a ton of evidence listed in the 89 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: civil lawsuit about what they knew and when they knew it, 90 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: in terms of just the detail, they do lay out 91 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: the dates that it is believed that Honor about August 92 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, Brian Laundry advised his parents that he had 93 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: murdered Gabrielle Petito, and on that same date, Chris Laundry 94 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: and Roberto Laundry spoke with their attorney, Steve Bertolino, and 95 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: sent him a retainer. Just a few days later, September second, 96 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: And when you go through this laws that you're right Nancy, 97 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you think about you remind it of the dates, of 98 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: the timing, of the pacing of when the couple last 99 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: scene out west, when Brian Laundry returned to Florida in 100 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Gabby's van without her, and then that radio silence that 101 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: broke everyone's heart as everyone stood outside of the Laundry's 102 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: home saying, where is Gabby? Do you know something? Well? 103 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: This lawsuit, though you know, stays in black and white, 104 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: the civil lawsuit asking for damages that they knew and 105 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: that they did not share that information. And we remember 106 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: I was at the press conference for Gabby Petito's parents 107 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: when Rick Stafford came out and read a statement saying, 108 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: we beg you to tell us as a parent, how 109 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: could you let us go through this pain and not 110 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: help us? And you know, I think that the other 111 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: thing that we kind of surmise from this lawsuit is 112 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: that this family, if they knew, and it appears that 113 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: they did roll the dice and said we're not going 114 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: to say anything. Because I was in Wyoming when Gabby 115 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: was found. I went to that campground where her body 116 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: I remember that was, and so it was it was 117 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: beautiful and it was the trees had just turned, but 118 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: it turned really cold and icy and snowy very very 119 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: soon after. So you've gotta think, did everybody on the 120 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Laundry side think that if they just stayed quiet long enough, 121 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: maybe she would not? Wait a minute, you just gave 122 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: me an idea, Laura Angle. First of all, talking to you, 123 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: it's like drinking from a fire hydrate. It's just so 124 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: much information at once. I could even write the notes fastiff. 125 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I know everybody on the panel has a ton of 126 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: questions for you too, But the idea you just gave me, 127 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: I want to know where we're getting the date August 128 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: twenty eight, that that's the day we believe Ryan Laundry 129 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: told his parents I murdered Gabby and I can guaran 130 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: damn tee, you technical legal term. That's not what he said. 131 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: He didn't say. I beat her. I bludgeoned her head, 132 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: then I strangled her until she died. No, no, no, 133 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: he probably made up some biss about oh she said this, 134 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: and then she hit me and I hit her back, 135 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: and oh she fell and hit her head on a 136 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: rock and died. It's gonna be some total cockamy crap 137 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: like that. Okay, but you told me August twenty eight, 138 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming we're what it's on page three of 139 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: the page of three. I was about to say, I'm 140 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: assuming you're divining that from the document, but you gave 141 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: me an idea time stories with Nancy Grace. Wendy Patrick, 142 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: California Prosecutor. How often have we seen people been like 143 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini right now, who is been charged with a 144 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: false claim that she had been kidnapped, and all the 145 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: money about a quarter of a million dollars to search 146 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: for her when she was shacked up at her old 147 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: boyfriend's place the whole time. Really, think about it, if 148 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: the laundries knew, if they could be proven, the laundries 149 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: knew Gabby was dead and they let law enforcement and 150 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: all of the personnel involved, the US Marshals, the FBI, 151 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: the local law enforcement at Northport, the law enforcement at 152 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: the Granteeause, everybody's searching. How much did that cost? And 153 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: the whole time they knew she was dead and they 154 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: knew where could they be prosecuted? Yes? No, in a nutshell, 155 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, I think yes, And I think that what 156 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: you're going to find out with the civil lawsuit might 157 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: yield the type of evidence that criminal authorities might use 158 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: to build their own case if they knew something at 159 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: a time when they could have prevented further harm, when 160 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: they could have prevented further expense, when they could have 161 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: spared law enforcement the time and resources. Think about the 162 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: resources that were expended looking for Gabby if they knew 163 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: she was dead. Now, on the other side of that, 164 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: you could argue, well, what exactly did they know? And 165 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: I think you queue that up nicely. What did Brian 166 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: actually say? The lawsuit mentioned text messages back and forth. 167 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: That's going to be an important piece of evidence. You're 168 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: right about that, what if anything they could face criminally. Okay, 169 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: Cheryl mcclem here, you're trying to jump in and and go, 170 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. The thing that just drives me in 171 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: saying the additional element of waiting the thirteen days, right, 172 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: and then the additional eight days before she's actually found, Nancy, 173 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: the amount of evidence that could have been lost may 174 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: have been lost. She's out in the elements. There's going 175 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: to be animal activity, There's going to be whether why 176 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: do you say animal activity? You and Joe Scott Morton 177 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: both do that. Wait a minute, let's say what it 178 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: really is okay, and it tastes like dirt, but adamal activity, 179 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: all right, that reminds me on a hike. I just 180 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: took the twins on and we were bird spotting and 181 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: looking for animals. What you're talking about is Gabby's body 182 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: lying out in the elements, the tetons and animals ripping 183 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: her body apart and chewing on her and gnawing on her. 184 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. That is what the Gabby 185 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Potito family has to live with twenty four seven every 186 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: day of the year. I mean, that's what we're talking about, 187 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: all right, So let's just say what it is. Cheryl McCollum. 188 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and there is nothing more repugnant and vile. Hell, 189 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. The gate for letting her family 190 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: live through that, and now they got to live the 191 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: rest of their lives. They got to know. That's what 192 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: happened to their girls. That's right after her. She was 193 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: brutally murdered by the very person that was supposed to 194 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: be taken care of her and the most again repugnant 195 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: and vow and straight devil when ROBERTA. Laundry blocked Gabby's 196 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: Mama's phone number and then blocked her on social media. Ooh, 197 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: I forgot about that, Laura Ingle, that the Laundry's actually 198 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: blocked Gabby's family from trying to contact them. Is that true? 199 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: It is? It is true. It is. That is what 200 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: we have read about the reports. We've talked to them, 201 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: and it goes back to that desperation of that time 202 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: frame that we're talking about, of begging them, and to 203 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: think of that and go back in your mind of 204 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: the news coverage, the bike riding, the mowing of the lawn, 205 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: taking trips to the store, camping trip, all of that, 206 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: and when you think about what's in this civil lawsuit 207 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: about how he it is believed that he confessed to 208 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: his parents, and you're right, Nancy. Look, we don't know 209 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: exactly what was said. We don't know if he detailed 210 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: it a mom and dad, it was an accident. I 211 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I'm scared him coming home. 212 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: We don't know what was said. But what we may 213 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: learn eventually is if this does go to a trial 214 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: and we do get some depositions and we do see 215 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: the phone records that have not been made public yet, 216 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: if we do learn exactly exact times of when Brian 217 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: was talking to his parents. The attorney for the Laundry says, look, 218 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I never talked to Brian Laundry. I never spoke to him. 219 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: But what if Brian Laundry was talking to his dad 220 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: and Bertolina was talking to the mom. And let's just say, 221 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: for argument's sake, that everybody was on speaker phone, you 222 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there's going to be more 223 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: information that will be coming forward. I think there's something hard, 224 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Laura Engle, I think there's something hard. If the documents 225 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: say odd twenty eight, they've got hard evidence of that? 226 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: Is it? R type? Is a text? Is an email? 227 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: And hey, happen again, Laura Ingle? Drink from the fire hydrant. 228 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Karen start, did you hear Laura Ingle? And this is 229 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: a hypothetical. We're talking about what he told his parents, 230 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: and I said, I can guarantee you he didn't say, hey, 231 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I murdered Gabby and left her body out there to 232 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: be torn apart by animals. He probably says some bs 233 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: story about she hit me, then I pushed her, or 234 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: she hit her head on a rock or a tree, 235 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: she died just like that. Of course, that's a libel 236 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Laura Ingle says, well, what if he 237 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: says something like mom, Dad, I'm upset, Gabby died and 238 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm so upset. I don't know what to do. He's 239 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: not so upset. He didn't stuff his piehole the way 240 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: whole way home, thousands of miles on Gabby's credit card. 241 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: Do you think he felt bad when he drove through 242 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Burger King and had it his way? Or is that McDonald's, Yeah, 243 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: it's burger King. What about that he wasn't so upset 244 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: he couldn't eat, He left a trail a mile wide 245 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: on her credit card and her debit card, Nancy. He 246 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: also on August thirtieth, remember, he sent a text message 247 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: from Gabby's cell phone to the Gabby's move and saying 248 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: no service in Yosemite, in an effort to make her 249 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: mother believe that she was still alive. You're so right, Laura, 250 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: anal he's not upset. He's upset like a snake after him. 251 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: You got the grandfather. Go ahead, Karen, start champain. He 252 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: didn't just he sent text pretending that he was her. 253 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: He was so upset that he was able to go 254 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: home and be with mommy and daddy. And Nancy. When 255 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: you think about this, when you think about how hard 256 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: it is to lose a child. For parents, it's something 257 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: that you never get over. It's not the way it's 258 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be. And then on top of that, it's 259 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: hard enough to imagine your child dead, let alone being 260 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: eaten by animals, being abandoned. And there is no doubt 261 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: in my mind that he said she provoked him. Oh, 262 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind at all, No doubt, guys. 263 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: In the last hours a bobshell. In the Gabby Potito case, 264 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: Gabby's family has filed a lawsuit against fiance Brian Laundry's family, 265 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: claiming they aid it an abet. Laundry they knew Gabby 266 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: had been killed, and not only refused to tell Gabby's parents, 267 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: but actually blocked them so they couldn't make any inquiries 268 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: as to where was their girl. Take a listen to 269 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: our cut three our friends from Fox thirteen. Parents of 270 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: the young woman who lived such a colorful life are 271 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: trying to avenge her death by putting in black and 272 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: white the horrible details of why they went through the 273 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: allegations contained within this the four corners of this complaint. 274 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: They're sillacious, in arguing that the Laundries quote knew they 275 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: could alleviate, at least in part, such mental suffering and anguish. 276 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: The Potitos said they believed that on August twenty eighth, Laundry, 277 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: while still in Wyoming, advised his parents he had murdered Gabby. But, 278 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: as the lawsuit points out, for several weeks, the Laundries 279 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: not only refused to talk to the Potitos, they put 280 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: out statements saying they hope she could be found alive 281 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: if they did what is alleged in the four corners 282 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: this complaint. The Laundry family acted with indecency. They acted 283 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: not as humans. This girl was part of their family. 284 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: The Laundries were accused for weeks by protesters of not 285 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: being forthcoming. Guys. I'm looking at the lawsuit that has 286 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: been filed right now. Just got Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 287 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: State University and start of bodybacks as Joseph Scott, Morgan 288 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: jumping Joe Scott. Hey, you know, Nancy. One of the 289 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: things that comes to me, I'm kind of listening back 290 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: towards Laundry's remains well, listening back listing go ahead, yeah sorry, 291 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: uh yeah, so going back to Brian laundry. You know, 292 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm thinking about is there's so 293 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: much deception. I think that goes along with where his 294 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, his his location throughout this whole thing. The car. 295 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: You remember, we reflect back to how did he wind 296 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: up out there? Where did he go? You remember how 297 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: much time we spent speculating about where he may have gone. 298 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: And you know I'm speculating, Jessica Morgan, I call it 299 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: analyzing the events that we need. Well, yeah, people were 300 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: saying Mexico, all these other things, and there is a 301 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: there's a thread that runs through this of deception and 302 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: it's not surprising relative to you know, when we look 303 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: at what happened to Gabby and his his murder of her, 304 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: and then moving forward what happened to him coming back 305 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: to his parents, I'm thinking, you know, what is it 306 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: that they haven't told us about him and his activities? 307 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, when I looked over the and the report 308 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: that we got back was absolutely voluminous. I mean it 309 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: just goes on and on and own relative to his body. 310 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that in my memory I've seen one 311 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: quite uh this inclusive of everything. You know, they report 312 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: that he was last seen on the thirteenth. They didn't 313 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: fill out this missing person's report until like the seventeenth 314 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: of September, and he was so far gone by the 315 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: time the authorities got out there they could not actually 316 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: pin down. This is the forensic anthropologists cannot actually pin 317 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: down a specific time of death. They did, and they 318 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: were able to recover that. But Nancy, to give you 319 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: an idea, the best she could do in one of 320 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: her calculations was now, get this anywhere from forty seven 321 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: days to two to six hundred and seventy two days 322 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: as an estimation of post mortem intervals. That's how far 323 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: gone he was. And I still have a major question 324 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: again about this gunshot wound. He sustained. He is right 325 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: hand dominant. This is a left handed entrance wound that 326 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: we have that has been validated by not just the 327 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: forensic anthropologist but also the forensic pathologist. And where in 328 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: the hell did this revolver come from? Who belong who 329 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: did it belong to? What's you know, what's the genesis 330 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: of it? And I don't think that that's been thoroughly 331 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: addressed as well. Well. I think you're absolutely correct. What 332 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: about a cherylmnnall him. I agree one hundred percent, and 333 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I have the same feeling about this notebook in his 334 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: alleged confession, I don't think it's a confession. When they 335 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: crack wording is, it's probably going to be drawings of 336 00:21:51,359 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: unicorns and yeah, drawings and writing his name. That's very different. 337 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: Like as a parent, if your child is riding a 338 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: bike and fall, you might feel responsible that they got 339 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: hurt because you couldn't protect him in that moment, but 340 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: you didn't cause it. You're not going to confess that 341 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: you're the reason they've got a skinned up knee. Excuse me, 342 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: what does that have to do with this? Because you 343 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: can take responsibility, but that's not a confession. If Jackie 344 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: cusses out a guest, you may apologize and take responsibility 345 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: for it, but you're not confessing. Did you cuss anybody out? 346 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: That was Jackie? That word bothers me. I have seen 347 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: no confession. I agree, I agree, I understand what you're saying, 348 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: and I want to go back to the lawsuit that 349 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: has just been filed. Did you see to Laura Ingles, 350 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: special guest joining us Fox and you use correspondent Senior 351 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: correspondent Laura Aunt, specifically in paragraph thirty one. In civil 352 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: lawsuits various courses of action, sometimes it can take several 353 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: sentences to explain, and typically each paragraph it can be 354 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: one sentence, it can be five sentences. Is numbered. This 355 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: is number thirty one. Do you see that? Do you 356 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: see what that says about Christopher and ROBERTA Laundry's behavior? Explain? 357 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: You know, they say, And to go back a page, 358 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: and that is the number thirty one. Pious, it's utterly horrible. 359 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: But let me let me see this up because if 360 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: you go back one page in item twenty five, they write, 361 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: on September fourteenth, with full knowledge that Gabrielle Petito had 362 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: been murdered by their son. The Laundry lawyer put out 363 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: a statement saying, it is our understanding that a search 364 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: has been organized from miss Petito in or near Grand 365 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Titan National Park in Wyoming on behalf of the Laundry family. 366 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: It is our hope that the search for Miss Petito 367 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: is successful and that Miss Petito is reunited with her family. 368 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: That September fourteenth, And as you go down to fast 369 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: forwarding to knowing what how, and they write in the 370 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: lawsuit Christopher Laundry and ROBERTA. Laundry exhibited extreme and outrageous conduct, 371 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: which constitutes behavior under the circumstances, which goes beyond all 372 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: possible bounds of decency, and is regarded as shocking, atrocious, 373 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: and utterly intolerable in a civilized community. Who could blame him? Well, 374 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: who could blame him? I mean, you know, you think 375 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: about the timeline, and you know, if all of this 376 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: is true, and if they knew those details and then 377 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: they put out a statement. Sure, we hope that she 378 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: sound and they knew where she was. It just makes 379 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: her stomach turn. But Nancy, we can prove they knew 380 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: it on September tenth, when her daddy went to their 381 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: house and knocked on the door and they wouldn't even 382 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: come to the door. He had to put out in 383 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: front of God and country on social media, I'm going 384 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: to the police if you don't tell me something. So 385 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: then he goes to the police on September the eleventh. 386 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: They knew it, They knew it, and they acted be 387 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: able to wind up you. I'm not sure. Okay, put 388 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: this in your pipe and smoke at Scher on the column. 389 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: You're ready. On that day August twenty eight, That's the 390 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: day Christopher and Roberto Laundry speak with attorney Steve Bertolino. Suddenly, 391 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: that's the day they go, whoa, whoa, what we need 392 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: a criminal lawyer. And then they follow up about two 393 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: days later with a retainer. Now, as I always say, 394 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: there is no coincidence in criminal law. So, Wendy Patrick, 395 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: what about it? California prosecutors, that's the day they decide 396 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: they need a high power criminal defense attorney. Who ps 397 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: great criminal defense attorneys are usually not seen or herd 398 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: outside the courtroom. They don't want to be stars in 399 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: their own right on TV or this or that. Have 400 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: you ever noticed that, Wendy Patrick? That's true. And it's 401 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: also true that in this case, the fact that they 402 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: spoke on August twenty eighth is going to be so 403 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: important for the timeline because guess what Two days later, 404 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: on August thirtieth, is when Laundry apparently sent an additional 405 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: text for Potito's phone to Schmidt saying there was no 406 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: service in Yosemite Park in an effort leaving her to 407 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: believe Gabby was still alive. So that's after the twenty 408 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: eighth when the lawyer is hired. And so when you 409 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: look at what would fuel this lawsuit, that's a huge point. 410 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Well what really just it's just think about it, Laura, Ingle, 411 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: think about it. So he gets home, they know Gabby's dead, 412 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: and they go for a camp out. The family goes 413 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: on a little trip and camps out. They sit around 414 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: the campfire, they grill out, they eat. Other people at 415 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: the camp remembers De Soto camp Grounds. See them now 416 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: what I was I was talking about this this morning, 417 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: about the you know about Brian being seen walking walking around. 418 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: We know that the sister was there. Now did they 419 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: go camping to try and kind of come together as 420 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: the family and say what are we gonna do? But 421 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it. From the pictures and from 422 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: the stories that we've heard from people who saw them there, 423 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: it looked like they were genuinely lamp and I bring 424 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: this up only when I'm projecting, But Laura, I remember 425 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: when my fiancee was murdered. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. 426 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: I lost down to eighty nine pounds. The smell of 427 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: food made me sick just to smell it. I remember 428 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: the first thing I finally ate or consumed it was 429 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: a glass of orange juice. It's the first thing that 430 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: did not make me literally nauseous after case murder. So 431 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: how and the h E double l is this family 432 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: knowing that Gabby is it and being torn apart by 433 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: animals out in the rain, lying there on the dirt. 434 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 1: How could they go to a campout? How could they 435 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: do that? There's no explanation, there's none, But none of 436 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: us on this panel, nobody listening, could even imagine doing 437 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: what they did. Right, if they knew, and it looks 438 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: like they did, how could you? You're absolutely right, And 439 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: it is a point that I believe that Petito Schmidtz 440 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: will hope will come out in court. They want to 441 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: get to a courtroom because there's more. There's more information 442 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: that obviously wasn't released by the FBI, that wasn't released 443 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: in the investigation. People want to know more and if 444 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: they can and if they can push the civil lawsuit 445 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: and get into that next level. This is a first volley. 446 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, I called the FBI today and 447 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: I was outside of the field office in Tampa in 448 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: January when they said, you know, we're bringing the family together, 449 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: We're sharing all the information with them that we possibly 450 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: can give them right now. And everyone's like, Okay, the 451 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: case is closed. US Attorney's office, Grant Teton Attorney's Office 452 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: closed their case because the debit card that was brought 453 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: he dead. They've got to close the case. But you 454 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: know what's interesting when I talked to the FBI today, 455 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: I said, is this case closed? And they said, not officially? 456 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: What does that mean? And what does what does that 457 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: allow them to do? It? Is it because is it 458 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: truly because there's paperwork left to be filed, which is 459 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: what they told me. Or do they have the same 460 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: question said Joe Scott Morgan and Cheryl McCollum have about 461 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: the injury the gunshot wound to Laundry's head, We think 462 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: to the left side when he is right handed, and 463 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: the origin of the handgun he used or allegedly used 464 00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: to kill himself, the deception in hiding. Add to that, 465 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: the layer of the parents going straight out to the body. 466 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: They hadn't been out in that area Carlton Reserve forty 467 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: five minutes. You remember that, Cheryl McCollum, and they go 468 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: remember eight to the body and then comes up and 469 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: shows them. I think it was the dry pack or 470 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: something found near Brian Laundry's body, and they're like, hmm, 471 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: there is no emotion. I can remember again projecting. I 472 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: remember testifying in court at Keith's murder trial, and I 473 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: remember coming down off the witness stand. It was tall 474 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: up equal. My head was equal to the judge's head. 475 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: And you go down some steps and then turn and 476 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: go down some more steps, and I was walking out 477 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: and I walked my council table and looked over and 478 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: saw Keith bloody Denham shirt for the first time since 479 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: I saw him drive away that morning before he was killed. 480 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Think about it, when the cops showed the laundry, those 481 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: the laundries, those items, saw video, they just stood there. 482 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: There's really no reaction at all. Mamma was holding the bag. 483 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: Mama had the dry bag in her hands, standing there 484 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: on that pathway. And again that's the bag that held 485 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: this notebook that allegedly has this confession in it. I've 486 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: said all along the suggestion that they planted evidence was 487 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: far fetched. But now I know the level of deception 488 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: that has been alleged by the Potito family against them. 489 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: What are they capable of concealing? Cheryl McCollum Nancy they 490 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: allowed their son to use a dead girl's debit card 491 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: to get his sorry ass home to help formulating some 492 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: plan of how to save his behind from what he 493 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: had done. And I've said from the beginning on your show, 494 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: they knew it. They knew it all along. I've said, 495 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: even the sister knew it. There is no way that 496 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: she went to that camp site for the day and 497 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: didn't ask how's Gabby, where's Gabby? What's going on with Gabby? 498 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: Everybody had to have known. This is odd for him 499 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: to have come home the second time. Remember he flew 500 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: home before on August seventeenth, So now he's back again. 501 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: That's weird. You're on the trip of a lifetime and 502 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: you won't quit coming home to your mama. That's weird. 503 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: So there's no way she knew it, didn't know it. 504 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: There's no way she didn't have them calling her phone too, 505 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: because her mama said they tried to get her. Then, 506 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: there ain't no way she missed it. On social media 507 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: and the local news. You know that whole story, Laura 508 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: Ingele about him coming home. It's not a story. He 509 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: did fly hump in the middle of the trip and 510 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: leave Gabby alone and I've always the moment I heard that, 511 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: I went, WHOA, wait, wait what? And I believe I 512 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: was spaken to one of Gabby's family members. I said, 513 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: is that true? And they would not confirm it or 514 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: deny it, and their answers they were told by police 515 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: not to discuss it, which means is true or something alike. 516 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: It is true. I think he went home to he 517 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: went home to he flew home. And what's so weird 518 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: about it is that they were tied on not tied 519 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: on money, but they were watching their pennies, right, They 520 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: were really conscious of their money and so but they 521 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: took the time. He took the time to fly home 522 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: to clear out a storage unit. That was the story 523 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: that he was going to clear out a storage unit, 524 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: and then returned back in that way to Utah, I believe, 525 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: Versusalt Lake City. So we're just not clear on what 526 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: that was about. That's still unknown and hopefully will be 527 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: known if this can get into a courtroom. Hey, it's 528 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: really happening there. Jump in. You're going to send five 529 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: hundred dollars on an airline take it to shut down 530 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars store room. Come on, now, I know 531 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: that has always been way off time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys. 532 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, a bombshell development 533 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: in the Gabby Petito case. The fiance so call fiance 534 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, who is now known to have killed Gabby Petito, 535 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: murdered her blood into her, strangle to her and left 536 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: her body to decompose in the elements. Her family is 537 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: now suing his family, claiming they knew for a long 538 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: time that Gabby was dead and refused to tell the 539 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: parents anything. In fact, the warning law enforcement and the 540 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: family as we all take a listen to our cut 541 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: for our friends at Fox thirteen. Police in Northport said 542 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: they'd not gotten cooperation as to whether they knew anything 543 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: about where Gabby was, but the Laundries did tell police 544 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: Brian had not returned from the reserve where he was 545 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: eventually found dead. But the new lawsuit alleges the Laundries 546 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: had been making arrangements for Brian to leave the country. 547 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: Their family attorney denied the allegations, saying the lawsuit does 548 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: not change the fact that the Laundries had no obligation 549 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: to speak to law enforcement or any third party, including 550 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: the Potito family. This fundamental legal principle renders the Potito's 551 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: claim to be baseless under the law. Do we have 552 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: a legal system where people are punished civilly for not 553 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: cooperating with criminal investigations. The lawsuit does not say how 554 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: the Potitos learned of the facts they allege, but they 555 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: did have several meetings with investigators, including at the Tampa 556 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: FBI office. After the investigation was closed. The Potito family 557 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: attorneys said there were multiple conversations between Brian, his parents, 558 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: and their lawyer before he left Wyoming August thirtieth. So 559 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: jos got morgan if we weren't half wrong, right, because 560 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: they were trying to get him out of the country 561 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: exactly what we had thought was going on. Yeah, push, push, push, 562 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, I had all kinds of ideas, you know, 563 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: back then, thinking about how could they facilitate Remember when 564 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: they were at that camping area. You know, I think 565 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 1: a couple of us had thought that maybe by water, 566 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, how are you going to get him out 567 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: of the reach of the US authorities, to get him 568 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: spirited awesomewhere. We were thinking about, you know, him leaving 569 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,479 Speaker 1: with gobs of cash so that he could fall off 570 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: of the radar. Relative to using any kind of credit cards, 571 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: which of course he had stolen gabbies and utilized it. 572 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: Uh and just you know, go abroad with with US 573 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: currency and try to make that happen. But how do 574 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: you make that happen? I think that that's one of 575 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: the big problems here when you have somebody that is 576 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: not sophisticated in a way that the criminals work. You know, 577 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: they don't know, you know, how how are we going 578 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: to get him away from all of this trouble? And 579 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and at the end 580 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: of the day they knew where his body was. I'm 581 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: very curious as to what that final conversation was like 582 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: with him, you know, did did he actually did he 583 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: actually tell them? You know, Mom, Dad, I think I'm 584 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: just going to go out here and end it, and 585 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you specifically where it was. Think 586 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: about what Max said and what you said within forty 587 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: five minutes, Nancy, in this vast area and it is vast, yeah, 588 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: and where, by the way, let me remind everybody we've 589 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: forgotten about this group of people. They've put all of 590 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: the searchers at risk out here. Aliga snakes dehydration for 591 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: days for days, and they put these people out there 592 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: at risk and they walk right to the body and 593 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: all of this evidence, and Nancy, I gotta say one 594 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: more thing, the most striking piece of evidence to me, 595 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: and it's just the old death investigator in me. Out 596 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: of everything, you know, we had skeletal remains, we had 597 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: this weapon that we talked about, But one of the 598 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: things that just made me want to bite the head 599 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: off a tenpenny nail is that out there at that 600 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: scene they found adjacent to his body red ball cap. 601 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: You know what that red ball cap said, It said 602 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: moab Roasters. I wonder where he bought that. Out of 603 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: all the hats he could have chosen, that's the one 604 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: that he picked up as he was walking out that 605 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: door for the final time, and he went out there 606 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: and he took that hat. And I think that hat 607 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: left out there was a great, big old screw you 608 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: to everybody. That's what I think. That's where he was 609 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: caught meeting Gabby out on the freet as we all know, 610 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, to Laura Ingle, senior correspondent Fox and he's 611 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: joining us, Laura, I believe that in point number fourteen, 612 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: paragraph number fourteen, the date is pinpointed the murder being 613 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: August twenty seventh. I wonder if that's because that's the 614 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: last day that her mother and Nicole Schmidt spoke with her. 615 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: What do you think? I do believe it's that. And 616 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 1: it also coincides with their sightings. And remember the Moab 617 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: incident happens that's been so widely watched with the police 618 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: BODYKAM footage. But then they make their way and they're 619 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: in Jackson. I went to this place. It's the Mary 620 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: Piglets and it's restaurants that it was a last known 621 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: public sighting and we don't know what happened, and we've 622 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: been trying to get our hands on any security footage 623 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: of this restaurant. But there was some kind of a fight, 624 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: some kind of an altercation between Brian and Gabby, an 625 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: argument they were last seeing so and I stood there. 626 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,439 Speaker 1: So you're standing at the restaurant and you look down 627 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: the long road, and down that long road is where 628 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: the camp ground was. So they were at this restaurant. 629 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: They have an argument, They get in the car, the van, 630 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: they go down to the campground, they turn in, they 631 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: set up camp. Then you know, the other bloggers fought 632 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: the van, which helped us locate where they were. But 633 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: it's that last those of the last moment. There was 634 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: something going on on that date on August twenty seventh 635 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: during the day and then it was later that night 636 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: that that's when they believe. And there's forensics involved here 637 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: too in terms of her body, where she was found, 638 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: how she was found, that it all ties together that 639 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: August twenty seventh is the date that she died. I 640 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: want you to listen to our cut eleven and this 641 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: is JBB you know at WFLA News Channel eight. Listen 642 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: to this point number twenty five. On September fourteen, twenty 643 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: twenty one, with full knowledge that Gabrielle Potito had been 644 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: murdered by their son, Christopher Laundry, and Burden, Laundry, through 645 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: their lawyer, issued the following statement, quote unquote, it is 646 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: our understanding that a search has been organized for miss 647 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: Potito in or near Grand Titi National Park in Wyoming, 648 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: on behalf of the Laundry family. It is our hope 649 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: that the search for miss Potito is successful and that 650 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: Miss Potito is reunited with her family. Point number twenty 651 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: nine and point number thirty as Laura Ingalls told us 652 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: full knowing their son had murdered Gabby. They give a 653 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: public statement. Wow. I hope they find her. I just 654 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: can't wait till this goes to a jury. Wait, wait, 655 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: as just as some falls fancy Grace Crime's story, signing off, 656 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,