WEBVTT - Tech News: Virtual Real Estate Values Plummet in the Metaverse

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And how the tech are you. It's time for the

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<v Speaker 1>tech news for Thursday, August four, twenty twenty two. And

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<v Speaker 1>first I thought I should follow up with the story

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<v Speaker 1>that I talked about a little bit on Tuesday, namely

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<v Speaker 1>that Apple has recently filed an emergency motion with a

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<v Speaker 1>court in East Texas arguing that it's human rights have

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<v Speaker 1>been violated in Columbia. And if you didn't hear that story,

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<v Speaker 1>you're pricing what the heck. So let's give a quick

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<v Speaker 1>overview of what is going on. So, Apple's products that

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<v Speaker 1>use five G make use of patented technology, and Ericsson

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<v Speaker 1>is the company that owns those patents. Apple doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to pay the licensing fees for the as patents from Ericson,

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<v Speaker 1>so it stopped. Ericson has reached out to several countries

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<v Speaker 1>asking the court systems of those countries to ban the

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<v Speaker 1>sale of any five G Apple products because those products

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<v Speaker 1>are infringing upon Ericson's patents. And it worked in Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>So Apple filed an emergency motion about that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a Texas judge said, look, just because you don't like

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening doesn't make this an emergency. You've got a

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<v Speaker 1>court date coming up, We're you're supposed to hash this

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<v Speaker 1>out with ericson. Just wait until the court date and

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<v Speaker 1>don't pull these shenanigans again. It's not an emergency if

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<v Speaker 1>you just want to have an earlier court hearing. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Apple filed another emergency motion, this time alleging that it's

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<v Speaker 1>human rights have been violated under the Universal Declaration of

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<v Speaker 1>Human Rights. Anyway, the bit I didn't talk about on

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday was has been I hadn't even heard about yet,

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<v Speaker 1>is that this really is a bigger picture thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just this one thing that that is absurd just

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<v Speaker 1>on the face of it. We have to look at

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<v Speaker 1>how absurd everything is. And according to Apple, Ericsson is

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<v Speaker 1>demanding a higher licensing fee for these five G technologies

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<v Speaker 1>than they should, that the price tag is exorbitant, it's predatory,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Apple doesn't want to deal with that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was why Apple was going to take this whole

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<v Speaker 1>matter to court to hash it out, to determine if

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<v Speaker 1>those licensing fees were too high see Apple argues that

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<v Speaker 1>the five G patents that Ericson holds should be grouped

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<v Speaker 1>under fair, reasonably and non discriminatory or FRAND terms f

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<v Speaker 1>r A and d FRAND as a concept that's usually

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<v Speaker 1>brought up in anti competitive disputes. The argument is that

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<v Speaker 1>some patents are so important for general tech applications that

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<v Speaker 1>the holder of the patent should be compelled to license

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<v Speaker 1>them fairly to other parties, and refusing to do so

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<v Speaker 1>is akin to holding a monopoly over that technology. So

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is saying Ericsson is asking for way too much money,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why they originally asked to settle that dispute

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<v Speaker 1>in court. But then so so they go and do that,

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<v Speaker 1>right they get They get a court date which is

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<v Speaker 1>for several months from now, It's like at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this year. But in the meantime, while that court

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<v Speaker 1>date is off in the distance, Ericson then stepped up

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure by getting Apple's stuff banned from sale in Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>Ericson kind of did a blanket approach, and Columbia said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it actually happened in Columbia. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>happened anywhere else. So In other words, what Apple is

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<v Speaker 1>saying is that Ericsson has overstepped, rather than waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the court case to actually find out if in fact

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<v Speaker 1>the licensing fees are egregiously high or if they are fair. Further,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is implying that Ericson knew that the court was

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<v Speaker 1>going to find that the fees are too high and

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<v Speaker 1>then decided to throw this Hill Mary pass to get

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<v Speaker 1>countries to ban the sale of Apple five G products. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that this was a sign that Ericson was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to out muscle Apple, like to say, hey, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't pay our licensing fees, you're not selling anything at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's gonna hurt your bottom line way more than

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<v Speaker 1>paying us what we're asking for. So Apple filed the

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<v Speaker 1>emergency motion in an attempt to get that original court

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<v Speaker 1>date moved up so that this could be resolved faster.

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<v Speaker 1>And the courts resent that because the courts say, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an emergency. That's not what emergency emotions are for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not an emergency. Yes, you know there's this ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>dispute between these parties, but that doesn't meet the standard

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<v Speaker 1>necessary for it to be an emergency. So the courts

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<v Speaker 1>have so far declined to acquiesce to Apple's requests, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that extra context was needed because my

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<v Speaker 1>report on Tuesday, I feel like that was really harsh

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<v Speaker 1>against Apple specifically. Honestly, I don't feel like there are

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<v Speaker 1>really any good guys in this one. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>Ericsson's movements were not great. I feel like Apple's movements

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<v Speaker 1>were also not great. So I'm not willing to say

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<v Speaker 1>one party is definitively the bully and the other ones

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<v Speaker 1>definitively the victim, but rather to say like, no one

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<v Speaker 1>here has behaved particularly well, except perhaps for the judge

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<v Speaker 1>who keeps telling folks to stop putting up nonsense in

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<v Speaker 1>their courtroom. Now it looks like we're in another big

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<v Speaker 1>real estate bubble burst situation, which probably is something you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't expect me to talk about on a Tech Stuff episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this case we should actually call it a

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<v Speaker 1>fake estate situation instead of real estate situation. Also, I

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<v Speaker 1>should add I totally stole fake estate from a sub

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<v Speaker 1>creddit at some point that's not mine. I wish it were.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I had thought of fake estate instead of

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<v Speaker 1>estate now. Anyway, the the virtual real estate I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about is stuff that's related to the metaverse. So last year,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically around November, when Facebook changed its name to Meta Metaverse,

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<v Speaker 1>hype was really on the rise. It was skyrocketing, and

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<v Speaker 1>we saw a lot of ridiculous land rush like behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it ranging around stuff like n f T s,

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<v Speaker 1>which really had peaked earlier, but still we're a big

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<v Speaker 1>topic of conversation, and also to things like cryptocurrency. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we saw people purchasing virtual plots of land on

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<v Speaker 1>something that doesn't actually exist yet. By that's something, I

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<v Speaker 1>really mean a fully realized metaverse. The virtual blocks of

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<v Speaker 1>land can exist on actual platforms, meaning there may be

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<v Speaker 1>servers out there that host the virtual landscape that people

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<v Speaker 1>are purchasing. I'm not suggesting that the the virtual plots

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<v Speaker 1>don't exist at all, that it's just an idea and

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, on a server somewhere, but you can't

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<v Speaker 1>really use them for anything other than kind of acting

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<v Speaker 1>like a placeholder, at least not as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>metaverse is concerned, because there is no metaverse yet. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the Information the Journal of the Information, prices for

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<v Speaker 1>virtual lots have dropped by eighty percent over just six months. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>There are several different ways we can look at this.

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<v Speaker 1>One would be to engage in schaden freuda. If you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be someone who does not care about virtual

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<v Speaker 1>land grabs, you didn't participate, you have no stake in that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you saw people going bonkers over it, maybe you're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling kind of pleased with yourself and a little happy

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<v Speaker 1>at their you know, misfortune as they see the investment

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<v Speaker 1>they make dropped by. Another reaction is to feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little sympathy for people who are swept up in the

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<v Speaker 1>excitement of the metaverse through no fault of their own. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was so much hype. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't lacked the use of critical thinking, so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue that was some what their fault. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you are in a hype cycle, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see reality. And some folks just got carried away,

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<v Speaker 1>and my heart does go out to those And then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course there's a range of other reactions you could have.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally find myself going back and forth between being

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<v Speaker 1>snarky schadenfreuderman and being kind of feeling a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>compassion for the people who were hit by this. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen a lot of related markets take a few

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<v Speaker 1>hits this year, right, n f T s were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the canary in the coal mine, because even before

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<v Speaker 1>we got to the whole meta stuff, people were already

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<v Speaker 1>starting to lash back against n f T s. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like n f T S came too hard, too quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>at too many different people, and the reaction was rejection,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in places like the video game community. That was

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of a litmus test for how certain

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<v Speaker 1>population would reject the n f T value proposition. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there was a really enthusiastic investor community around n

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<v Speaker 1>f t s, but a lot of the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world just said, Yo, this is kind of stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, to be clear, I am not saying n

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<v Speaker 1>f T s are inherently stupid. I think there can

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<v Speaker 1>be legit uses for n f T s. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>will say I think n f T speculation is stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that treating it like a commodity is stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think ultimately that's the right way to use

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<v Speaker 1>n f t s, but that was the way that

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<v Speaker 1>that got the spotlight, and we saw such ridiculous examples

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and to this day it's still happening. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just happening on a smaller community. Right, we also saw

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency values tank and then virtual real estate prices tank.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've seen this play out in grand scale with Meta. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at Meta and you look at how

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<v Speaker 1>Meta has to communicate it's approach to developing a metaverse,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of, again an early example of the difficulties

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<v Speaker 1>that are across the entire landscape. You know, Zuckerberg actually

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get ahead of that fairly early on. He

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<v Speaker 1>cautioned investors that the creation of a fleshed out metaverse

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<v Speaker 1>was going to take many years and a ton of investment,

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<v Speaker 1>billions upon billions of dollars of investment. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>shareholders get antsy when they just start to see how

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<v Speaker 1>big the costs and losses are out of the reality

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<v Speaker 1>labs division at Meta. Now does that mean does all

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<v Speaker 1>this mean that virtual real estate is dead in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not going to hear about ever? Again? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think what we're seeing is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what someone might call a market correction, or

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen the hype peak and now we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the downside slope of the hype cycle. But eventually, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna see things level out and then climb

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<v Speaker 1>at a more sustainable rate. It seems pretty clear that

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to get something that we might call

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<v Speaker 1>a metaverse. We might get several some things that we

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<v Speaker 1>call metaversees, and that real estate is going to matter

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<v Speaker 1>when those somethings emerge, right, because if people are actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to these metaverses to interact with one another, having

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<v Speaker 1>a a position, a stance within that virtual space will

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<v Speaker 1>be really important because otherwise you will miss out on

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of interaction you could have there. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a business, then yeah, I guess it does make

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<v Speaker 1>sense to think about this. I just don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>made sense to pour enormous amounts of money in an

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<v Speaker 1>unproven and and not ready market so quickly. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>I figured it will take a little bit longer before

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<v Speaker 1>things start to look stable enough to support a robust

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<v Speaker 1>virtual real estate market, but we will get there, I'll so.

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<v Speaker 1>As for me, I'm just gonna live in a real

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<v Speaker 1>world hut somewhere, just the real world, not the virtual world,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will remain blissfully ignorant of all the virtual

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<v Speaker 1>mansions and sky palaces and underwater villain layers and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>else folks might make in the metaverse. Y'all have fun. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not for me, alright. One thing that is for

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<v Speaker 1>me are several more news stories. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to those, let's take a quick break. All fifty states

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<v Speaker 1>attorneys general here in the US, so the attorneys general

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<v Speaker 1>for each of our fifty states. It's a confusing thing

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<v Speaker 1>to even have to say. They have all united to

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<v Speaker 1>fight a common enemy robo calls, specifically, in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>robo calls coming from foreign numbers. So a few years

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<v Speaker 1>ago we saw a real movement to curtail robo calls

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<v Speaker 1>and spam calls within the United States. The government would

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<v Speaker 1>require carriers to incorporate tools designed to detect and prevent

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<v Speaker 1>these kinds of calls, to create databases to help UH

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<v Speaker 1>cut back on robot calls and spam calls. And those

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<v Speaker 1>requirements first applied to the major carriers because they held

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of the responsibility. They also had the most

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<v Speaker 1>capability to respond quickly, and then the smaller carriers were

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<v Speaker 1>given a bit more time to comply. They were still

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<v Speaker 1>expected to comply, they just didn't have to do so

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<v Speaker 1>at the same speed as the major telecommunications companies, and

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<v Speaker 1>now this new push is to task what are called

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<v Speaker 1>gateway carriers. These are telecommunications companies that field calls from

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<v Speaker 1>outside the country, so foreign calls that are coming into

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, and they are tasked with the the

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility of determining whether or not the calls are legal.

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<v Speaker 1>If the calls are not legal, then they should be blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Stein, the Attorney General for North Carolina and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the leaders of this effort, said that the team

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<v Speaker 1>plans to hold phone companies responsible for allowing a legal

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<v Speaker 1>traffic to pass over US phone signals. And you might

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how all this is going to be managed, And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I am in favor of having

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<v Speaker 1>fewer fishing and spam calls hit my phone, So I

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<v Speaker 1>hope whatever plan is put into place works. SpaceX says

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<v Speaker 1>that it's next generation of Startling satellites, which the company

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<v Speaker 1>uses to provide Internet service to satellite customers, will be

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<v Speaker 1>quote invisible to the naked eye when at their standard

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<v Speaker 1>operational altitude end quote. This move is in response to

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<v Speaker 1>the global astronomy community, which has grown concerned that huge

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<v Speaker 1>networks of small satellites will block views of the Cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>and interfere with terrestrial observations of the universe. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is Startling getting ahead of any regulations that

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<v Speaker 1>would otherwise force the company to change how it does business.

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<v Speaker 1>As to how Starlink has achieved this all, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any details. If I had to guess, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that this next generation of Startling satellites are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little bit smaller and may be placed

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<v Speaker 1>in a slightly higher orbit than earlier satellites, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how they are quote unquote invisible to the naked eye.

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<v Speaker 1>According to UK supply chain management company Fleet Assist, electric

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles on average are twenty two percent less expensive to

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<v Speaker 1>service compared to similar internal combustion engine vehicles. The firm

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<v Speaker 1>says that some factors that likely contribute to this lower

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<v Speaker 1>cost of maintenance are things like electric vehicles have fewer

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<v Speaker 1>moving components, so there's less stuff that wears down through

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<v Speaker 1>normal use. On average, it takes thirty three percent less

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<v Speaker 1>time to repair or maintain e vs than I sees

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<v Speaker 1>for comparable jobs, so that means labor costs are also

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<v Speaker 1>down and e V parts are frequently less expensive than

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<v Speaker 1>I see parts. Again because the design tends to be

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<v Speaker 1>simpler with fewer moving parts. However, Fleet Assist warrens that

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<v Speaker 1>we might not see this go on forever, right, We

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<v Speaker 1>might not see that EVY expenses are lower than I

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<v Speaker 1>see expenses at the garage, because there's a thought that

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<v Speaker 1>garages are going to increase their prices in order to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain profitability. Like the garage is not going to say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>cost less for us to do the work, so I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we'll just make less money. They might say it

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<v Speaker 1>costs less for us to do the works, less charge more,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can make more money. So while EVIS would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be easier to work on compared to I

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<v Speaker 1>c ES, the advantage from a cost to consumer perspective

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<v Speaker 1>might dwindle over time. Streaming digitally has asked an interesting question,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to HBO max original movies that just plane disappeared?

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<v Speaker 1>The piece mentions several Warner Brothers films that were on

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<v Speaker 1>HBO Max but aren't there anymore. And HBO is part

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<v Speaker 1>of Warner Media, which now in turn is owned by

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<v Speaker 1>Discover and just in the interest of full disclosure, once

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<v Speaker 1>upon a time, Discover was my corporate overlord. This was

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<v Speaker 1>several years ago, however, and all of this has led

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<v Speaker 1>to speculation that Discover is planning on making some big

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<v Speaker 1>changes to its streaming strategy, which we should hear more

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<v Speaker 1>about today. The company is going to hold its earnings

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<v Speaker 1>call for Q two two. Analysts expect that we should

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<v Speaker 1>hear at least something about a new unified streaming service.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Discovery Plus will lump in HBO Max underneath it

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll appear as a tab. There's also an expectation

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to see a massive change in production

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<v Speaker 1>that anything that would overlap between HBO and Discover that

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<v Speaker 1>is like you know, reality television and stuff that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be smoothed out so that Discover becomes kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the reality TV side and HBO becomes the more fictional side.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could be that some reality series that are

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<v Speaker 1>under HBO go bye bye. Also, it sounds like we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to move away from producing expensive content just for

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<v Speaker 1>streaming platforms. One big example of that is the film

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<v Speaker 1>bat Girl. It was supposed to be released to HBO Max,

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<v Speaker 1>It was in post production. It has now been shelved

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<v Speaker 1>probably forever at least indefinitely, and the reason for that

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<v Speaker 1>is David Zaslov, the CEO of Discover, doesn't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the reward of streaming this content is worth the expense

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<v Speaker 1>of producing it. This is expensive stuff, and if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make expensive stuff, you should darn well be releasing

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<v Speaker 1>it to theaters and getting money there. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a case where Zaslov said, Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>worth pouring more money into bat Girl to fix it

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<v Speaker 1>because it had been testing poorly reportedly. Uh, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>not worry about it. Let's cut it as a loss.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a general feel that Zaslov is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be holding some layoffs later on down the road and

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of whittled down the organization. Uh. I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot speculation on that. I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>curious to see what happens. There's a lot of HBO

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<v Speaker 1>content I actually really like, and I'm kind of worried

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<v Speaker 1>about whether or not such stuff will continue to be produced.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of it ends up being produced for the

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<v Speaker 1>cable channel as well as the streaming service, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to see. Zaslovs a cable guy. That's where he

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<v Speaker 1>comes from, and that's where he's done the bulk of

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<v Speaker 1>his leadership so maybe I don't know. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to predict. I do worry about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>smaller UH departments and companies that Warner Media owns, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not those are long for this world. I

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<v Speaker 1>suspect we might see some of those gets sold off

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<v Speaker 1>in the months to come. Well, I've got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>more stories that I want to talk about, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to those, let's take another quick break. Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>mega company Tencent wants to increase its steak in game

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<v Speaker 1>developer UBI Soft or you be soft, whichever pronunciation you prefer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll probably go back and forth between the two, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a mercurial imp. Now. I did a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes about ubi soft last year. I kind of detailed

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the company as well as how it

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<v Speaker 1>recently had to go through our reckoning due to allegations

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<v Speaker 1>of a corporate culture where harassment and worse had been

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<v Speaker 1>tolerated for years, really really ugly stuff. The company has

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<v Speaker 1>kept a fairly low profile since then, with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of layoffs and and firings of people who were associated

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<v Speaker 1>with that scandal. Anyway, they are now looking at ten

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<v Speaker 1>Cent coming in and buying up more of the company. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Tencent already owns about five percent of ubi Soft and

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly wants to increase its steak in ownership so that

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes the largest single shareholder in the company. Ten

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<v Speaker 1>Cent also has a stake in a lot of different companies,

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<v Speaker 1>and particularly in video games, and reportedly one reason for

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<v Speaker 1>this move to increase its hold on Ubisoft is that

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<v Speaker 1>ten Cent wants to focus more of its resources on

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<v Speaker 1>global markets, and one potential reason for that is that

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<v Speaker 1>within China there's been a bit of a crackdown on

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<v Speaker 1>the video game industry, with the Chinese government taking the

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<v Speaker 1>stance that games can potentially be harmful and thus should

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<v Speaker 1>be regulated. So that might explain why ten Cent is

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to take this this extra steak. No telling yet

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<v Speaker 1>if this is going to happen. The family that Ownscent

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<v Speaker 1>of Ubisoft would have to agree to sell it, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have to see if that happens, but maybe Tincent

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<v Speaker 1>will make an offer that they can't refuse. We'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to see. Finally, one of the scary realities of the

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<v Speaker 1>oncoming quantum computing era is that the encryption methods we

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<v Speaker 1>rely upon today will at some point become useless now,

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<v Speaker 1>for this to happen, you first have to design to

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<v Speaker 1>write algorithm for a sufficiently powerful quantum system. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you were able to do that using quantum computing, you

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<v Speaker 1>could break standard encryption so quickly that it would be trivial.

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<v Speaker 1>So another way to think about this is that at

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<v Speaker 1>some point these systems will be powerful enough and have

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<v Speaker 1>the correct algorithm necessary to create the equivalent of a

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<v Speaker 1>skeleton key that can unlock every luck in existence, and

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<v Speaker 1>there will be no more secrets or something. So knowing this,

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<v Speaker 1>computer scientists for years now have been working on developing

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<v Speaker 1>new encryption systems that, in theory, would foil quantum systems.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like the next generation of encryption. To

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<v Speaker 1>keep systems safe even in an era of quantum computing,

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<v Speaker 1>this means it requires a totally different approach than the

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<v Speaker 1>way a lot of encryption works right now. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of those approaches, called psych s i k E, which

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is short for super singular isogeny key encapsulation,

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<v Speaker 1>was looking pretty promising. The U s Department of Commerce

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<v Speaker 1>has a National Institute of Standards and Technology. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>that's the entity in the United States that UH that

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<v Speaker 1>credits standards in tech. They held a competition, and the

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<v Speaker 1>competition had the goal of creating the next generation encryption

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<v Speaker 1>schemes capable of holding off quantum superiority and PSYCH and

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<v Speaker 1>made it through several stages of the competition. It was

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<v Speaker 1>doing really well, and then some researchers, using a perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary standard computer with a single processing core, found a

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<v Speaker 1>weakness in psych's algorithm design. Now I am not going

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<v Speaker 1>to pretend that I understand what happened and as sure

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<v Speaker 1>as heck, and not going to try and describe it

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<v Speaker 1>because I would just muck it all up. But I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that using a mathematical approach, the researchers were

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<v Speaker 1>able to predict and then retrieve encryption keys from the algorithm.

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<v Speaker 1>So this would be like getting hold of any key

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of this system and being able to make

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<v Speaker 1>an instant copy of it. Uh, at least for that

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<v Speaker 1>particular encryption method, So it is not secure. The PSYCH

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<v Speaker 1>creators said they were surprised by the researchers approach. This

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<v Speaker 1>was something they hadn't anticipated, so they were kind of

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<v Speaker 1>surprised to learn about the weakness of their design. They

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't looked at it from that perspective. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>of this kind of like if you were to build

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<v Speaker 1>something that has really strong strength against compression, really strong strength,

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<v Speaker 1>real well spoken there, Jonathan, anyway that you could compress

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<v Speaker 1>it and this thing would hold up really well. But

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<v Speaker 1>someone ends up coming after your your structure using a

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<v Speaker 1>shearing motion, and it turns out your structure is not

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<v Speaker 1>secure against shearing. Yeah, it was really strong against compression,

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<v Speaker 1>but not strong against this other kind of attack, and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing crumbles. That's kind of what we saw here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of this as actually a great story. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the illustrates the making robust solutions is hard

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and that we need to put them to

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<v Speaker 1>the test or else we find ourselves dependent upon a

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<v Speaker 1>flawed system that's sooner or later someone's going to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to exploit. So it's better that we find

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<v Speaker 1>out something isn't going to work early on, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>not figure that out, implement it, and then find out

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<v Speaker 1>the hard way later, especially when you think that if

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<v Speaker 1>someone is really clever and they exploit a system, they

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<v Speaker 1>might not let anyone know about that until things have

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<v Speaker 1>really reached a catastrophic point. So this was a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It does, however, illustrate the challenges we face moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>in the quantum era. And that's it for today's episode.

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