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Speaker 1: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 2: He's my ad hands in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: What is up Dolphins?
Speaker 2: And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host,
Speaker 2: Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, we welcome in the
Speaker 2: great Simon Clancy from the three Yards per Carry podcast
Speaker 2: for breaking down the safety class in this year's draft.
Speaker 2: But there is so much good Dolphins content sprinkled throughout
Speaker 2: the Dolphins first round prospects, the position flexibility, what might
Speaker 2: they do if brock Bowers is available to it? We
Speaker 2: talked about everything on this episode. You don't want to
Speaker 2: miss it. From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist
Speaker 2: Health Training Complex. This is.
Speaker 1: The Draft Time Podcast. Maybe Daffy.
Speaker 2: My guess today the great Simon Clancy joining me today
Speaker 2: to break down the back end of the defense in
Speaker 2: this year's class. You guys know him from his popular
Speaker 2: Dolphins podcast, Three Yards per Carry. Simon Clancy. Simon, it
Speaker 2: has been a minute and you're about five hours ahead.
Speaker 1: Of me as well. How's the future and how are
Speaker 1: you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: The future looks good. I mean it's the sun shining,
Speaker 3: which is pretty rare for this country at the moment.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm good. Draft. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean we've actually had usually it's like an oven
Speaker 2: down here this time of year, but it hasn't got
Speaker 2: here yet. So the weather has been fantastic. The golf
Speaker 2: has been great. Enjoying the outdoors of my kids as well.
Speaker 2: You mentioned being, you know, in a different country, Simon's
Speaker 2: from the UK. I'm always curious to ask these questions.
Speaker 2: We had a German, the German Dolphins Fan Club co
Speaker 2: founder on the podcast when we had the game over
Speaker 2: in Frankfurt, and I asked him, what's a game day
Speaker 2: like for a Dolphins fan in Germany. I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: gotten that question just a million times. What's the draft like?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: For a guy that does a full draft guy that
Speaker 2: this is kind of your bread and butter? Is it
Speaker 2: tough to watch an event that's basically happening in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night three days in a row.
Speaker 3: Because I am completely I mean this is I've been
Speaker 3: in an NFL fan for forty odd years now, and
Speaker 3: so my entire life system is you know, games, college games,
Speaker 3: NFL games in the middle of the night, and so
Speaker 3: really it's not you know, I'm by nature somebody that
Speaker 3: doesn't go to bed early anyway, so I am always
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night watching games. So
Speaker 3: the draft really is just another thing that starts really
Speaker 3: late and finish is really early. The boy that you
Speaker 3: just kind of get used to it. And growing up,
Speaker 3: you know, the NFL wasn't huge over here at all
Speaker 3: and really sort of started mid eighties, and I would
Speaker 3: have to you know, I got my early fixes listening
Speaker 3: to Armed Forces Radio, so military radio, and would tune
Speaker 3: in on a Saturday night to listen to college football
Speaker 3: and all my friends are out with girls and get
Speaker 3: drunk and that sort of stuff. And then as I
Speaker 3: geeking out to Gordy Lockbaum of Holy Cross and you know,
Speaker 3: Andy Kelly of Tennessee and players like that in the eighties,
Speaker 3: and then and listening to Dolphins games and whatever games
Speaker 3: they had on Armed Forces on a Sunday. But the
Speaker 3: Draft was amazing because I became fascinated by it. But
Speaker 3: there was no coverage. It was not live on television here,
Speaker 3: and all you would get was the staff sergeant at
Speaker 3: Armed Forces Radio would read out who the top twenty
Speaker 3: eight picks were at the time, and then obviously the
Speaker 3: expansion of the league, and you could absolutely guarantee that
Speaker 3: every year when it got to the Dolphins pick, the
Speaker 3: reception would start to go all crackically. So if Dolphins
Speaker 3: are picking at fifteen, you could guarantee that a forty,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the receptions start to go a
Speaker 3: little bit funny. Middle of fifteen, as the name was
Speaker 3: being announced, you could hear like an opera singer from
Speaker 3: sort of Austria in the background, and then it would
Speaker 3: completely disappear and then come back in at seventeen, absolutely
Speaker 3: crystal clear, and there would be no way of finding out.
Speaker 3: There would literally be no way of finding out until
Speaker 3: you know, you've got USA Today or the International Herald
Speaker 3: Tribune here on a Monday to find out who the
Speaker 3: Dolphins would pick. So that was the early draft experience.
Speaker 3: So now to be able to live it through the
Speaker 3: magic of television is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I when I was younger, I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: they always go to commercial ordering the Dolphins pick. But
Speaker 2: now I'm realizing every fan base has the exact same argument,
Speaker 2: and they say the same thing. So the more you
Speaker 2: find out about the league, the more you realize all
Speaker 2: three to two fan bases are kind of the same
Speaker 2: for the most part.
Speaker 1: So it's just football fans. Man.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and pivot now to talk about the
Speaker 2: safety class because it's a fun one. This year, the
Speaker 2: guy that is at the top of some boards went
Speaker 2: to my alma mater, So we'll talk about that here
Speaker 2: in a minute. But I did tell you offline before
Speaker 2: we get into the draft prospects, I wanted to discuss this,
Speaker 2: and I think it's one of your greatest areas of
Speaker 2: expertise with the x's and o's, because we have our
Speaker 2: ideas about what an Anthony Weaver front might look like
Speaker 2: based upon evidence how he deployed that Ravens front last
Speaker 2: year to great success as well. But the coverage aspect
Speaker 2: is sort of, I guess, a projection, but we do
Speaker 2: have some context clues. With the additions of Kendall Fuller
Speaker 2: and Jordan Poyer, the linebacker spot got so much more
Speaker 2: flexible in coverage base with Jordan Brooks coming in. I'm
Speaker 2: curious what you think the back end could look like
Speaker 2: projecting what it could look like as a Dolphins pivot
Speaker 2: from Fangio to Anthony Weaver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fascinating not really knowing and only really studying
Speaker 3: kind of what Mike McDonald used last year and how
Speaker 3: that was that was used, and you look at some
Speaker 3: of the pieces that they had on the back end
Speaker 3: and how the kind of the you can match, you know,
Speaker 3: even the linebackers you look at, you know, Brooks and
Speaker 3: David Long ending up being the Roe Consmith and the
Speaker 3: Patrick Queen. But you look at the statistics, the Ravens
Speaker 3: played awful lot too high, a lot of Cover two
Speaker 3: of Cover six. They played some zone on the inside,
Speaker 3: some man on the outside. But when I dug into
Speaker 3: the weeds, Mike McDonald was in zone seventy three percent
Speaker 3: at the time last year. So it'll be fascinating to see.
Speaker 3: And obviously what they had is that they just had
Speaker 3: this to me until he got injured. Was probably the
Speaker 3: best defensive player in the league in Carl Hamilton, who's
Speaker 3: this six four, two hundred and twenty pound alien. He
Speaker 3: runs a four or five who they lined up in
Speaker 3: six or seven different positions and you kind of think,
Speaker 3: who's going to play the Carl Hamilton position, and then
Speaker 3: you wonder, you know, is anybody going to recreate that
Speaker 3: because he's such a unique player. But it's interesting to
Speaker 3: kind of to weigh up and to try and marry up.
Speaker 3: You know, Javon Holland does Jovon Holland and have the
Speaker 3: capacity to play a Carl Hamilton's style of position? You know,
Speaker 3: you go back and look what he did at Oregon.
Speaker 3: He is a safety in the Dolphins defense, but for
Speaker 3: you know, he sat out a year and then he
Speaker 3: played a year and a half as a slot corner.
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't play free safety for two and
Speaker 3: a half years before he came into the NFL because
Speaker 3: he sat out the year and then he played in
Speaker 3: the slot. I think he only played I think in
Speaker 3: his final season at Oregon. I think he plaid eight
Speaker 3: snaps at safety and everything else was slot. So, you know,
Speaker 3: can he go and do what Kyl Hamilton did? You know,
Speaker 3: we'll get on some of the players that are going
Speaker 3: to be in this draft and a couple of them
Speaker 3: that I think maybe could be their sort of Swiss
Speaker 3: army knives. But I don't think you're ever going to
Speaker 3: quite match up to what Hamilton does. But it will
Speaker 3: be interesting you look back last year. Geno Stone obviously
Speaker 3: seven picks last year, very consistent as that kind of
Speaker 3: deep third guy, the post safety, Marcus Williams, who really
Speaker 3: was that guy in New Orleans as the post safety,
Speaker 3: then really sort of cheating down and becoming that kind
Speaker 3: of box safety, the alley runner, the guy that the
Speaker 3: robber kind of thing who just did so much of
Speaker 3: the dirty work before he got injured and then allowed
Speaker 3: Hamilton to do what he did, whether that was lining
Speaker 3: up at safety, in the slot, outside corner linebacker, blitzer,
Speaker 3: interior defensive lineman. He was lined up edge Russia. So
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated to see what he'll do. And I do
Speaker 3: think when you look at our personnel in terms of,
Speaker 3: you know, Jordan Poyer for Marcus Williams, you know Javon
Speaker 3: could be the Geno Stone. Javon could also have elements
Speaker 3: of the car Hamilton. We can obviously man match outside
Speaker 3: with with Ramsey, and it was interesting to hear Anthony
Speaker 3: we were talking about how he's going to move Jayden
Speaker 3: all over the formation, which is what he wants to do,
Speaker 3: so you'll see him sometimes in the slot. Obviously, Kendall
Speaker 3: is good in both zone and man, So I really
Speaker 3: don't know the answer to it, but I think there
Speaker 3: are lots of pieces to allow us to be incredibly flexible.
Speaker 3: And what you want is you want a guy that
Speaker 3: can do all sorts of themes on the back end
Speaker 3: in terms of confusing coverages and all those sorts of things,
Speaker 3: because we do have the weaponry to be able to
Speaker 3: do it. So it's going to be fascinating to see
Speaker 3: how it lines up. And I suspect they'll probably play
Speaker 3: pretty much like the Ravens did. And I'm sure that
Speaker 3: you know, head coach like Mike McDaniel, who's always looking
Speaker 3: to push the needle. We'll be asking questions about whether
Speaker 3: or not you know and of Carle Hamilton type of
Speaker 3: player work with the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: And that was your preview for training camp recaps here
Speaker 2: on the Drive Time podcast, because that's what I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be looking at.
Speaker 1: Every single day of camp this summer.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how it all plays out,
Speaker 2: because you just talked about like there's so many different
Speaker 2: routes we could see this thing take, you know, how
Speaker 2: it could how it could go, And like you mentioned
Speaker 2: Javon Hall, and I think about he made a play
Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve Championship game. I think it was
Speaker 2: his last year at Organ, and I know you'll know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, where he's like playing the slot
Speaker 2: to the front side three and then like he peels
Speaker 2: off and gets to the backside too. It just like
Speaker 2: jumps this route and picks it off and makes us
Speaker 2: crazy play where he never should have been in the
Speaker 2: first place. That's why I think like he could possibly
Speaker 2: filter into that role. And then like Jalen Rams like
Speaker 2: you talk about, I mean, my goodness, he can do
Speaker 2: whatever you ask him to do. And then by the way,
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton'll making it to the fourteenth or fifteenth thick
Speaker 2: whatever it was, that was criminal.
Speaker 3: Like to be able to play single high like he
Speaker 3: did and go from from the from the field side
Speaker 3: to the boundary side with such speed, with such freedom
Speaker 3: of movement at six foot four, two hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: pounds was crazy. And to allow him to get to
Speaker 3: the Ravens was one of the big, you know, mistake,
Speaker 3: a huge mistake. He's such a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more on that, and
Speaker 2: he was a big part of what the Ravens ran
Speaker 2: on that back end because of that flexibility, because of
Speaker 2: his range, and it helps him the sky so much too.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because every time we play the Bills,
Speaker 2: I usually asked too, like well, how tough are hide
Speaker 2: employer to go aguess, and is like they never change,
Speaker 2: They're always interchangeable.
Speaker 1: So it's always you don't know how the coverage is
Speaker 1: going to tilt.
Speaker 2: And so with that in mind, Oyer being here Holland
Speaker 2: with the Ravens kind of influence in Anthony Weaver. Tell
Speaker 2: the fans about what a big nickel package is, what
Speaker 2: it does, what it accomplishes, because we saw the Ravens
Speaker 2: run that all the time last year. Almost their base, right,
Speaker 2: are three safety of package on defense. I remember Minka
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick being down here was a big part of the
Speaker 2: big nickel package they ran. Just talk to us about
Speaker 2: that a little bit and how how it helps the
Speaker 2: defense run that is almost like it's base opposed to
Speaker 2: try totional two safety coverage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's the Yeah, it's the the NFL's
Speaker 3: kind of hottest defensive formation really in terms of the
Speaker 3: biggest trend. And it's what you know, this is what
Speaker 3: the modern game is is going towards and you know,
Speaker 3: we talk about offensive linemen coming into the league in
Speaker 3: terms of you know, being struggling as run blockers, struggling
Speaker 3: to do all these things. But you tend to find
Speaker 3: much better pass protectors now coming out of college, mainly
Speaker 3: because you know, college football is essentially just past, past, past,
Speaker 3: past past, and it's taken on all the concepts of
Speaker 3: high school football, and the NFL is cyclical and has
Speaker 3: now taken on all the kind of the college concepts.
Speaker 3: And you know, so all all you're doing is kind
Speaker 3: of crafting exotic kind of zone blit schemes to use
Speaker 3: a whole variety of kind of personnel packages to neutralize,
Speaker 3: you know, an opponent's number one weapon, and astute play callers,
Speaker 3: defensive play callers just aren't afraid to sort of deploy,
Speaker 3: i don't know, unorthodox kind of tactics to get their
Speaker 3: teams in the in the best position to win. And
Speaker 3: I think you look at a team and ironically, you know,
Speaker 3: a Vic Fangio coach team, but you look at the
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles from a couple of years ago with Chauncey
Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson, who you know, came over from Florida, was
Speaker 3: at New Orleans and then went to the Eagles and
Speaker 3: was able to just do a multiple array of things
Speaker 3: in terms of being a slot corner but also a
Speaker 3: big nickel who can walk down into the box, play
Speaker 3: the run with power and with tenacity and drive and
Speaker 3: make tackles, but can also carry you know, number one
Speaker 3: receivers forty to fifty yards down the field, you know,
Speaker 3: in trail, in perfect hip to hip coverage. And that's
Speaker 3: what every team is looking for.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Base defense is no longer you know, for met out
Speaker 3: front of three men in the middle and foremen on
Speaker 3: the back. That's just not how you know, every team
Speaker 3: is in nickel and dime almost all of the time.
Speaker 3: So to be able to have that kind of chess piece,
Speaker 3: that Swiss army knife, who can come in, who can
Speaker 3: man match from the slot, who can play you know,
Speaker 3: robber at that kind And when we talk about robber
Speaker 3: in terms of that sort of I suppose the invisible
Speaker 3: line that separates where the linebackers might drop to to
Speaker 3: the point where the safety has come into to to
Speaker 3: sort of toll. And we'll get onto somebody like cold
Speaker 3: Bishop of Utah in a minute. He'll be a perfect
Speaker 3: robber in them in the NFL. But but somebody like that.
Speaker 3: But but someone that can play you know, a bit
Speaker 3: of linebacker in terms of just being able to match
Speaker 3: up with running backs out of the backfield with tight
Speaker 3: ends down the field. But also you're not scared to
Speaker 3: you know, you're not scared to have a guy who
Speaker 3: can run forty fifty yards with a with a slot
Speaker 3: receiver like a Tank Dell or a you know, a
Speaker 3: number one receiver like a Tyreek Hill and you feel
Speaker 3: comfortable with that with somebody like Chauncey Cardner Johnson to
Speaker 3: be able to do that, and that's you know, that's
Speaker 3: what he's so good. That's what Cayl Hamilton will do.
Speaker 3: That's what the league is coming to. And you know,
Speaker 3: you look at some of the draft eligible guys in
Speaker 3: this in this draft class, you're not just predicting whether
Speaker 3: can a guy be you know, can he be an
Speaker 3: outside corner purely, can he be a nickel corner purely?
Speaker 3: But can he also be a big safety that or
Speaker 3: you know, a nickel safety who can come down and
Speaker 3: do all those things that just help a defense folks
Speaker 3: and win from multiple alignments.
Speaker 2: That takes me to my I guess my first question
Speaker 2: perfectly because is there a guy in this class Because
Speaker 2: I look at for instance, Iowa was Cooper j Jean
Speaker 2: is a guy that he's so athletic and the ball
Speaker 2: skills and the instincts and the tape is so good.
Speaker 2: And I've seen people talk about that. Maybe even your
Speaker 2: co host Chris Kaufman has mentioned that a few times.
Speaker 2: I think he's talked about that. I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but is he a guy that you think could be
Speaker 2: a guy that gets drafted high because of the ability
Speaker 2: to not just play premier cornerback, but to be a
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, a Javon Hall, and a geel and Ramsey
Speaker 2: guy that moves all over the formation on defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to me, Cooper and I would call
Speaker 3: him to Gene. But maybe that's a European thing.
Speaker 1: But I can be wrong. That's my best.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just the I'm close to France, so maybe
Speaker 3: that's what it is. I mean to me, he's one
Speaker 3: of the more unique players in this entire class. I mean,
Speaker 3: he is that kind of modern day weapon that we
Speaker 3: talked about. He is started at cornerback. He started what
Speaker 3: the what coach Forens calls the cash position, which is
Speaker 3: this sort of free safety linebacker hybrid. He started played
Speaker 3: at safety. He's practiced heavily at both strong and free
Speaker 3: safety for the Hawkyves. And just an incredible athlete. I mean,
Speaker 3: this guy was a state champion twice in football. He
Speaker 3: was a state champion at basketball, averaging twenty five points
Speaker 3: a game. He scored more points in Iowa high school
Speaker 3: basketball history than and I can't remember the guy's name.
Speaker 3: He plays in the NBA for the Sacramento Kings. But
Speaker 3: you know this is you know, this is a guy
Speaker 3: who is incredible athlete. He's a he won a state
Speaker 3: championship in the one hundred meters. He won a state
Speaker 3: championship in the long jump. He was a quarterback in
Speaker 3: high school and he was recruited by South Dakota State
Speaker 3: to go and play quarterbacks. So he is incredibly athletic,
Speaker 3: and teams will have to ask whether or not he
Speaker 3: is best suited as a zone corner or whether or
Speaker 3: not he takes on that Gardner Johnson sort of role
Speaker 3: as a safety who can cover tight ends and slots
Speaker 3: down the field. He's got some stiffness in his hips,
Speaker 3: you know when you see him trying to man match
Speaker 3: and then turn, which I think will probably take him
Speaker 3: out of sort of the ideal, you know, teams that
Speaker 3: will run press coverage the whole time, but as an
Speaker 3: incredib Swiss army knife that can be used in a
Speaker 3: variety of ways. I think he'd be perfect for the
Speaker 3: Dolphins in terms of, you know, what he can do
Speaker 3: in terms of playing zone or off man at corner,
Speaker 3: using those great instincts and ball skills and flashing that
Speaker 3: great understanding for route combinations and spacing in zone. He's
Speaker 3: incredibly instinctive. He can work sideline to sideline, he can
Speaker 3: work from the middle of the field to the sideline,
Speaker 3: he can step down into the box. I think he's
Speaker 3: probably the best tackling, takedown cornerback in this draft. And
Speaker 3: the ball production you can't argue with. There's seven picks
Speaker 3: including three pick six's, twenty past breakups over the last
Speaker 3: two seasons, and you know, if you're looking for a
Speaker 3: guy that can carry receivers down the field, who can
Speaker 3: step into the box and make tackles, who can line
Speaker 3: up on the outside as a corner in zone or
Speaker 3: in off man, I think he is absolutely that. I
Speaker 3: think he's a top twenty twenty one pick, and I
Speaker 3: think he's a Pro Bowl plus kind of guy, and
Speaker 3: he's obviously got outstanding juice in the return game.
Speaker 2: So if he's the pick at twenty one, and I
Speaker 2: see Dolphins Twitter because I've been seeing the tweets about it,
Speaker 2: if we take a cornerback, I'm going to be this
Speaker 2: level of mad. Right if you see his name across
Speaker 2: the board at twenty one, just remember this. I'm going
Speaker 2: to pull this segment back up and play it for
Speaker 2: you guys again, because it's not just taking a player
Speaker 2: for one position when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: So that's a great If.
Speaker 3: You think he's a cornerback, then you're doing this wrong
Speaker 3: in terms of it's just a cornerback, then you're doing this.
Speaker 2: So we are talking about safeties because and that's why
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to him, because I think that
Speaker 2: he really kind of checks both those boxes at least
Speaker 2: in some ways. But if we are considering him for
Speaker 2: that role, I would assume that he would be your
Speaker 2: top safety, even though he's not a safety. I would
Speaker 2: assume that he's kind of your top guy on the board.
Speaker 2: There is there anybody else at the safety group that
Speaker 2: you think is worthy of the first round.
Speaker 1: And if not, where did that first guy come off?
Speaker 1: And who is it?
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have another first round safety in
Speaker 3: the class. I've got to say. And what I love
Speaker 3: about Degene is that you can play him in multiple positions.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think Miami would use him as
Speaker 3: APU of safety. I think he would. What he would
Speaker 3: allow you to do is just he will allow you
Speaker 3: to move puzzle pieces around. It mean that Jordan Poyer
Speaker 3: just isn't a strong safety, you know, Ali Runner. It
Speaker 3: will mean that Jalen can you know, I would imagine
Speaker 3: Jays and Ramsey will do other things than just play corner.
Speaker 3: He will play out the slot, he might play, he
Speaker 3: might rotate him to play some safety. And I think
Speaker 3: that's what You're just looking to manipulate on the back
Speaker 3: end and confuse on the back end. And you know,
Speaker 3: I talked to when the Ravens came over to London.
Speaker 3: I talked to Josh Allen after the game about what
Speaker 3: it's like to play Carl Hamilton and Josh Allen says
Speaker 3: that every time you play the Ravens, Carl Hamilton is
Speaker 3: the first person you look for. You you have to
Speaker 3: look and see what he's doing where he is, and
Speaker 3: that will help him set his mind as to what
Speaker 3: else is happening on the back end, but also the
Speaker 3: front end, because is he lined up as an edge rusher,
Speaker 3: is he lined up at linebacker? Is he coming? You know,
Speaker 3: is he blitzing off the corner? Okay, he's playing pure
Speaker 3: corner and how outside? Oh look, he's back in the
Speaker 3: deep third of the field. So you know that's that's
Speaker 3: the kind of guy that you want. And those are
Speaker 3: the kind of alignments I think that that teams are
Speaker 3: looking for.
Speaker 2: Sorry, trav No, I was just going to jump in
Speaker 2: the next way if you keep continue that thought, if
Speaker 2: you can, no.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like Tyler Nubin. I think Nubn's a
Speaker 3: you know, incredibly interesting experience Safety's played fifty five games
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, very very good cover safety, solid run defender.
Speaker 3: I did have some concern and it sent me back
Speaker 3: to the tape about his testing scores, which weren't great.
Speaker 3: But again, you can't argue with the ball production. Twelve picks,
Speaker 3: twenty one past breakups, pair of force fumbles over the
Speaker 3: last three seasons. We talked about cold Bishop Coal, Bishop
Speaker 3: of Utah, who you know, I think was flying under
Speaker 3: the radar a little bit, went to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 3: and was a bit of a sleeper, and he rocked
Speaker 3: up there in mobile and he dominated in one v
Speaker 3: ones and then he went to the combine and tested
Speaker 3: absolutely out of the building. And I think as a robber,
Speaker 3: as a guy that can work with the field in
Speaker 3: front of him, I think he's an outstanding prospect. And
Speaker 3: I think there were questions that I had there, questions
Speaker 3: that were scouts that I spoke to before the Senior
Speaker 3: Bold had was how would he match up in one
Speaker 3: on one coverage? And he eraised people in mobile, He
Speaker 3: showed fluid transitions, he was able to break on the
Speaker 3: ball sometimes like he was running the routes for the receivers.
Speaker 3: And then a guy that came to the Dolphins local
Speaker 3: pro day, who I'm sure local fans will will obviously
Speaker 3: know really well. It is cam Kinchins, who to me
Speaker 3: is one of the more difficult assessments in this class
Speaker 3: because his tape absolutely drips with quality, and he's got
Speaker 3: great in tangibles, you know, and as a as a
Speaker 3: high post free safety, he absolutely looks the part. But
Speaker 3: then he ran poorly at the combine and it leaves
Speaker 3: you with significant question marks about whether or not that
Speaker 3: best position is one that he can play. But I
Speaker 3: think he plays faster. He has great ball production, and
Speaker 3: that's been consistent over his time at the U. I
Speaker 3: think some teams and some people like myself and others,
Speaker 3: you kind of get a little bit hung up on
Speaker 3: that athletic scoring, and rightly so. But I think the
Speaker 3: Kinchins can play, and you could see him as a
Speaker 3: high post safety with the Dolphins freeing up a Javon
Speaker 3: Holland to go and be a Carl Hamilton. Kinchins isn't
Speaker 3: that guy. He is definitely a you know, he's from
Speaker 3: a post safety, but he will he would allow people
Speaker 3: to do different things on that. On that back end,
Speaker 3: there's a guy I really like travel. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've seen him, Dadrian Taylor Demson of Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: He is one of the more intrigued, sort of ballhawk
Speaker 3: safeties and probably a guy that some people have not
Speaker 3: even heard of. It. To me, he's kind of the
Speaker 3: best defensive back you don't know, not you, but people
Speaker 3: don't dripping with athleticism on the back end, he never
Speaker 3: played a down of defensively got to Texas Tech. He's
Speaker 3: five to ten, he's two hundred pounds. He's not an
Speaker 3: amazing tackler, but he has outstanding eyes. He has run
Speaker 3: a four forty one and that shows up on tape.
Speaker 3: He forces qbs into bad decisions because he's got great instincts.
Speaker 3: He breaks on the ball. He's very, very very aggressive,
Speaker 3: and to me, you know, he's a great blitzer as well,
Speaker 3: so he can line up all over the place. Six
Speaker 3: hundred plus snaps in the slot in his last season,
Speaker 3: very good in man coverage, and a guy with his
Speaker 3: skill set, his ball skills and his versatility shouldn't have
Speaker 3: too long to wait to hear his name on day two.
Speaker 3: And then just one other guy I really like his
Speaker 3: and you've probably seen him as well, is the Bob
Speaker 3: Sanders clone. That's Malik Mustafer of Wake Forest, who just
Speaker 3: comes down into the box and just you know, he
Speaker 3: is all gas, no breaks as of safety. He just
Speaker 3: comes down as smacks people in the mouth. Consistently versatile,
Speaker 3: he flashes from too high, from single high or in
Speaker 3: the slot, and he's a fantastic blitzer. He's the sort
Speaker 3: of guy that you know, if I was a scout,
Speaker 3: I'd absolutely banging the table for So there's some really
Speaker 3: interesting pieces and obviously the Dolphins defensive coaches and Chris
Speaker 3: and Mike Well will know exactly the sorts of things
Speaker 3: that they're going to be running on the back end
Speaker 3: and the people that they're looking for, and it's asked
Speaker 3: our little job to try and sort of fit where
Speaker 3: we think the pieces of the puzzle might go. And
Speaker 3: you know, if Anthony Weaver does think Javon can play
Speaker 3: a bit more of a car Hamilton, then maybe you're
Speaker 3: looking at Cam Kinchens. But if Jon's going to play
Speaker 3: you know, deeper down the you know, deeper down the field,
Speaker 3: and maybe you're looking at Javon from Georgia, you know,
Speaker 3: somebody that can man match from the slot and can
Speaker 3: can you know, attack the box and hit people in
Speaker 3: the mouth there. So it's fascinating to see what's going
Speaker 3: to happen and how it's going to play out.
Speaker 2: I love you described like that because I just had
Speaker 2: a podcast with Dane Brugler from the Athletic and you're
Speaker 2: talking about the tackle class. I had another guest on
Speaker 2: for the interior offensive line and like kind of what
Speaker 2: I was what I came away from those podcasts realizing
Speaker 2: was like, the Dolphins have done such a good job
Speaker 2: of building versatility on the offensive line in a way
Speaker 2: that allows them to be flexible come draft day. Like
Speaker 2: you have the idea of signing players to make your
Speaker 2: roster ready to play a game tomorrow so that you
Speaker 2: don't have to take a certain position group, but you
Speaker 2: also have done it to where like if it's a
Speaker 2: tackle or guard, cool, we can do either one because
Speaker 2: we have this flexibility. And it kind of seems like
Speaker 2: that's how it is in the back end here because
Speaker 2: you mentioned Cam Kitchens, you mentioned Cole Bishop, different games, right,
Speaker 2: Jayden Hicks from WSU for instance, the guy that plays
Speaker 2: down in the box. I just freaking love to watch
Speaker 2: him play. The logo doesn't hurt, but I love his
Speaker 2: game as well. It just seems like they kind of
Speaker 2: have this position now where that third safety can almost
Speaker 2: be anything because you kind of have a little bit
Speaker 2: of every thing already with Holland and Poyers that feel accurate
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's right. And just
Speaker 3: to touch on your point there about what the Dolphins
Speaker 3: have done in free agency, I think it's it's really
Speaker 3: interesting that you don't we go into this draft as
Speaker 3: a team. I have no idea, but I really don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think obviously twenty one won't be a quarterback,
Speaker 3: it won't be a running back. It could easily be
Speaker 3: a receiver, could easily be Brian Thomas if he's on
Speaker 3: the board. It could be Xavier Worthy, it could be
Speaker 3: I mean, I love Jalen Polka of Washington. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: as a Wazoo fan, but a phenomenal player, Xavier la Guet.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great player. Block Bowers, you know,
Speaker 3: and nobody's had a more weird draft season than Block
Speaker 3: Bowers in terms of, you know, what's been going on there.
Speaker 3: If Bowers falls into it, if Bowers gets to the
Speaker 3: sort of Cincinnati, you know, and it gets past the
Speaker 3: Bengals or even actually into that realm of Seattle or Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe you look to move up offensive line.
Speaker 3: We've obviously filled a number of holes, but there are
Speaker 3: players there that could help. And you see a Tyler
Speaker 3: guy in coming in on the thirty visit, you see
Speaker 3: Jackson Powers Johnson coming in on a thirty visit. You
Speaker 3: see Butcher Barry going to Oklahoma to the to the
Speaker 3: Tyler Geiden Pro Day, you see somebod Lakamarus MIM's who
Speaker 3: you know, Chris Greer loves a Georgia kid, and that
Speaker 3: is a guy that was absolutely built in a laboratory.
Speaker 3: We've got the guys coming off injury with Bradley and
Speaker 3: Jalen and you know, so you look at a Layatu Latu,
Speaker 3: who I absolutely love, but Jared Verse, you know, those
Speaker 3: guys absolutely fit the bill. Their interior defensive line. We've
Speaker 3: we've absolutely filled it with a number of really interesting
Speaker 3: rotational players. But you know, would you turn your nose
Speaker 3: up at a Johnny Newton or a Byron Murphy or
Speaker 3: you know one of those guys linebackers. Probably not, but
Speaker 3: you know, and then we're talking about safeties and corners,
Speaker 3: and you know, would you be surprised if they pulled
Speaker 3: the trigger on Cooper to Gene and you just can't
Speaker 3: You just can't tell. But one of the things I
Speaker 3: love that what they've done in free agency is that.
Speaker 3: And you look at a team at Baltimore, if somebody
Speaker 3: goes down, somebody gets hurt, you know, we it happened
Speaker 3: in the game where we played them where we we
Speaker 3: got blown out at the back end of the season.
Speaker 3: But you know, Marlon Humphrey goes down and up here
Speaker 3: comes after Malet, and you know, Brandon Stevens comes down,
Speaker 3: and you know it's guys that you almost don't hear about,
Speaker 3: you don't really know about, but you know here that
Speaker 3: here's a Bravey and Roy, here's a Brent Urban coming in.
Speaker 3: Here's a Charlie Kohlart, here's a you know. And that's
Speaker 3: what a really good team like Baltimore does is fill
Speaker 3: just with really solid rotational players where the drop off
Speaker 3: is a massive and I think that's what the Dolphins
Speaker 3: have done a really good job of in this offseason,
Speaker 3: is just filling it with kind of not no names
Speaker 3: because that's rude, but you know, with guys who probably
Speaker 3: aren't as high profile as some of the free agents
Speaker 3: in the class, but who you know will just come
Speaker 3: in and do a do a great job. And I
Speaker 3: think on the defensive line, certainly, you'll see all sorts
Speaker 3: of people being rotated in and out, whereas actually we're
Speaker 3: just used to seeing Christian and Zach and Rake on
Speaker 3: the inside and those days are gone now and we
Speaker 3: might see seven eight guys, you know, getting snaps on
Speaker 3: that interior the defensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really worthy of praise because you know,
Speaker 2: you essentially traded out the two big money guys that
Speaker 2: you just you didn't bring back, and you that money
Speaker 2: to essentially round out the rest of the roster and
Speaker 2: put yourself in a position where for a team that
Speaker 2: has taken on so much attrition the last couple of
Speaker 2: years to be deeper and to have more options when
Speaker 2: you do get into the You're gonna get injuries. It's
Speaker 2: gonna happen across the roster. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2: And then to kind of put the full circle bow
Speaker 2: on it too, like you mentioned that the Raven strategy
Speaker 2: of drafting like ravens every year, Like this guy's a
Speaker 2: Baltimore even looks like a Raven when he goes into
Speaker 2: the draft, Like because of what Miami has done, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they can let the board fall to
Speaker 2: them and all those position groups you talked about, Simon,
Speaker 2: it's going to produce You would think one, two, maybe
Speaker 2: even three guys that shouldn't have been there that fall
Speaker 2: to that spot and you can just scoop him up
Speaker 2: and now You've got a great looking football player at
Speaker 2: the twenty first pick.
Speaker 1: So great, great stuff. Man.
Speaker 2: He's a features writer for Great Iron Magazine. He's a
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Speaker 2: You can find him on social at SI Clancy Simon.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time today, man, we got way smarter today.
Speaker 2: And tell the folks where they can find your draft
Speaker 2: guide please. Uh.
Speaker 3: It is coming out probably in the next forty eight
Speaker 3: hours for recording this on Tuesday afternoon. Is one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty thousand words. It has been my life the
Speaker 3: last nine months. I have three players to write up
Speaker 3: the notes of my film Watching Tonight. So if you
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Speaker 3: I'm going to disseminate it, but you can purchase it
Speaker 3: from there and I'll put the information up. But it is, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's been a labor of love. Sometimes it's been
Speaker 3: a labor of hate, but yeah, it'll be there.
Speaker 2: Those series are always fun to do it at the beginning,
Speaker 2: the need the loll and then you get to the
Speaker 2: end and it kind of takes off and you get
Speaker 2: back excited about it again, so check it out. Simon Clancy,
Speaker 2: you appreciate it. Time to man, that was really good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Torav, nice to see you, and away,
Speaker 1: he goes.
Speaker 2: I was planning on putting cornerbacks and safeties together, but
Speaker 2: John and Simon were so good by themselves with Chris
Speaker 2: Career's press conference, I thought let's just go ahead and
Speaker 2: run them separately.
Speaker 1: Here we have enough content for you guys.
Speaker 2: So there's Simon a great way to put out a
Speaker 2: back to back podcast here with the Chris Career and
Speaker 2: John Ledyard Cornerback Preview. That's the previous podcast that came
Speaker 2: out on Tuesday. This, of course your Wednesday edition of
Speaker 2: the Draft Time podcast. On Friday, we're doing the offensive line.
Speaker 2: Dan Brugler from The Athletic, Dante Colinelli from Dolphins Talk
Speaker 2: and a few other websites as well, joins me to
Speaker 2: break down that entire group. Then we'll do tight ends
Speaker 2: and linebackers on Monday, and then Kyle Krabs is my
Speaker 2: guest on a Tuesday and Wednesday podcast, and then it's
Speaker 2: the Draft. The Draft is right there after that, so
Speaker 2: plenty of good stuff coming your way here. You'll get
Speaker 2: a lot smarter, about this year's class, about this Dolphins team,
Speaker 2: the offseason, all of that and more here on the
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