WEBVTT - Drive Time: Safeties 2024 Dolphins Draft Preview with Simon Clancy 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:06.040 To on remove DLin deep speedways peas do. From the 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:10.400 Baptist Health Studio. This inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.680 This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.440 He's my ad hands in the playoffs. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:25.079 What is up Dolphins? 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.320 And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.760 Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, we welcome in the 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.040 great Simon Clancy from the three Yards per Carry podcast 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.320 for breaking down the safety class in this year's draft. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.800 But there is so much good Dolphins content sprinkled throughout 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.319 the Dolphins first round prospects, the position flexibility, what might 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.960 they do if brock Bowers is available to it? We 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.320 talked about everything on this episode. You don't want to 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.800 miss it. From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.320 Health Training Complex. This is. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.200 The Draft Time Podcast. Maybe Daffy. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.480 My guess today the great Simon Clancy joining me today 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.720 to break down the back end of the defense in 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.040 this year's class. You guys know him from his popular 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.360 Dolphins podcast, Three Yards per Carry. Simon Clancy. Simon, it 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.360 has been a minute and you're about five hours ahead. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:12.480 Of me as well. How's the future and how are 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:13.000 you doing? Man? 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.800 The future looks good. I mean it's the sun shining, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.919 which is pretty rare for this country at the moment. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:19.680 So yeah, I'm good. Draft. How are you? 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.200 I'm doing fantastic. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.520 I mean we've actually had usually it's like an oven 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.440 down here this time of year, but it hasn't got 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.560 here yet. So the weather has been fantastic. The golf 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.319 has been great. Enjoying the outdoors of my kids as well. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.680 You mentioned being, you know, in a different country, Simon's 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.640 from the UK. I'm always curious to ask these questions. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.039 We had a German, the German Dolphins Fan Club co 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.200 founder on the podcast when we had the game over 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.360 in Frankfurt, and I asked him, what's a game day 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.200 like for a Dolphins fan in Germany. I'm sure you've 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.800 gotten that question just a million times. What's the draft like? 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:50.000 Man? 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.920 For a guy that does a full draft guy that 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.000 this is kind of your bread and butter? Is it 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.680 tough to watch an event that's basically happening in the 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.240 middle of the night three days in a row. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.680 Because I am completely I mean this is I've been 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.080 in an NFL fan for forty odd years now, and 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:11.480 so my entire life system is you know, games, college games, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.080 NFL games in the middle of the night, and so 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.320 really it's not you know, I'm by nature somebody that 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.680 doesn't go to bed early anyway, so I am always 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.240 up in the middle of the night watching games. So 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.120 the draft really is just another thing that starts really 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.960 late and finish is really early. The boy that you 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:27.880 just kind of get used to it. And growing up, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.480 you know, the NFL wasn't huge over here at all 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.080 and really sort of started mid eighties, and I would 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.400 have to you know, I got my early fixes listening 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.120 to Armed Forces Radio, so military radio, and would tune 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.280 in on a Saturday night to listen to college football 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.360 and all my friends are out with girls and get 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.840 drunk and that sort of stuff. And then as I 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.920 geeking out to Gordy Lockbaum of Holy Cross and you know, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.880 Andy Kelly of Tennessee and players like that in the eighties, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.600 and then and listening to Dolphins games and whatever games 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.760 they had on Armed Forces on a Sunday. But the 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.960 Draft was amazing because I became fascinated by it. But 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.280 there was no coverage. It was not live on television here, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.920 and all you would get was the staff sergeant at 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.320 Armed Forces Radio would read out who the top twenty 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.000 eight picks were at the time, and then obviously the 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.800 expansion of the league, and you could absolutely guarantee that 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.920 every year when it got to the Dolphins pick, the 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.040 reception would start to go all crackically. So if Dolphins 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.040 are picking at fifteen, you could guarantee that a forty, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.639 all of a sudden, the receptions start to go a 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.200 little bit funny. Middle of fifteen, as the name was 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.160 being announced, you could hear like an opera singer from 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:31.960 sort of Austria in the background, and then it would 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.680 completely disappear and then come back in at seventeen, absolutely 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.840 crystal clear, and there would be no way of finding out. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.520 There would literally be no way of finding out until 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.040 you know, you've got USA Today or the International Herald 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.160 Tribune here on a Monday to find out who the 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.360 Dolphins would pick. So that was the early draft experience. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.360 So now to be able to live it through the 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:50.960 magic of television is a beautiful thing. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.200 It's funny because I when I was younger, I thought, oh, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.480 they always go to commercial ordering the Dolphins pick. But 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.840 now I'm realizing every fan base has the exact same argument, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.960 and they say the same thing. So the more you 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.520 find out about the league, the more you realize all 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.440 three to two fan bases are kind of the same 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:06.280 for the most part. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.360 So it's just football fans. Man. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.040 Let's go ahead and pivot now to talk about the 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.600 safety class because it's a fun one. This year, the 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.360 guy that is at the top of some boards went 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.840 to my alma mater, So we'll talk about that here 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.680 in a minute. But I did tell you offline before 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.919 we get into the draft prospects, I wanted to discuss this, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.520 and I think it's one of your greatest areas of 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.840 expertise with the x's and o's, because we have our 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.200 ideas about what an Anthony Weaver front might look like 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.160 based upon evidence how he deployed that Ravens front last 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.440 year to great success as well. But the coverage aspect 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.320 is sort of, I guess, a projection, but we do 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.719 have some context clues. With the additions of Kendall Fuller 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.800 and Jordan Poyer, the linebacker spot got so much more 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.080 flexible in coverage base with Jordan Brooks coming in. I'm 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.200 curious what you think the back end could look like 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.320 projecting what it could look like as a Dolphins pivot 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.960 from Fangio to Anthony Weaver. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.320 Yeah, it's fascinating not really knowing and only really studying 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.280 kind of what Mike McDonald used last year and how 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.720 that was that was used, and you look at some 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.520 of the pieces that they had on the back end 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.839 and how the kind of the you can match, you know, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.920 even the linebackers you look at, you know, Brooks and 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.000 David Long ending up being the Roe Consmith and the 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.840 Patrick Queen. But you look at the statistics, the Ravens 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.760 played awful lot too high, a lot of Cover two 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.800 of Cover six. They played some zone on the inside, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.760 some man on the outside. But when I dug into 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.159 the weeds, Mike McDonald was in zone seventy three percent 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.560 at the time last year. So it'll be fascinating to see. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.200 And obviously what they had is that they just had 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.479 this to me until he got injured. Was probably the 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.080 best defensive player in the league in Carl Hamilton, who's 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.960 this six four, two hundred and twenty pound alien. He 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.080 runs a four or five who they lined up in 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.040 six or seven different positions and you kind of think, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.520 who's going to play the Carl Hamilton position, and then 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.200 you wonder, you know, is anybody going to recreate that 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.520 because he's such a unique player. But it's interesting to 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.240 kind of to weigh up and to try and marry up. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.760 You know, Javon Holland does Jovon Holland and have the 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.560 capacity to play a Carl Hamilton's style of position? You know, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.040 you go back and look what he did at Oregon. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.520 He is a safety in the Dolphins defense, but for 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.400 you know, he sat out a year and then he 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.000 played a year and a half as a slot corner. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.160 I mean, he didn't play free safety for two and 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.880 a half years before he came into the NFL because 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.520 he sat out the year and then he played in 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.640 the slot. I think he only played I think in 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.560 his final season at Oregon. I think he plaid eight 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.839 snaps at safety and everything else was slot. So, you know, 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.680 can he go and do what Kyl Hamilton did? You know, 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.800 we'll get on some of the players that are going 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.720 to be in this draft and a couple of them 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.440 that I think maybe could be their sort of Swiss 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.080 army knives. But I don't think you're ever going to 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.600 quite match up to what Hamilton does. But it will 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.880 be interesting you look back last year. Geno Stone obviously 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.400 seven picks last year, very consistent as that kind of 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.560 deep third guy, the post safety, Marcus Williams, who really 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.040 was that guy in New Orleans as the post safety, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.880 then really sort of cheating down and becoming that kind 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.520 of box safety, the alley runner, the guy that the 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.440 robber kind of thing who just did so much of 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.279 the dirty work before he got injured and then allowed 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.120 Hamilton to do what he did, whether that was lining 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.840 up at safety, in the slot, outside corner linebacker, blitzer, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.320 interior defensive lineman. He was lined up edge Russia. So 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.120 I'm fascinated to see what he'll do. And I do 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.040 think when you look at our personnel in terms of, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.280 you know, Jordan Poyer for Marcus Williams, you know Javon 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.239 could be the Geno Stone. Javon could also have elements 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.600 of the car Hamilton. We can obviously man match outside 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.960 with with Ramsey, and it was interesting to hear Anthony 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.880 we were talking about how he's going to move Jayden 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.000 all over the formation, which is what he wants to do, 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.280 so you'll see him sometimes in the slot. Obviously, Kendall 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:38.119 is good in both zone and man, So I really 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.800 don't know the answer to it, but I think there 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.200 are lots of pieces to allow us to be incredibly flexible. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.760 And what you want is you want a guy that 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.560 can do all sorts of themes on the back end 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.280 in terms of confusing coverages and all those sorts of things, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.360 because we do have the weaponry to be able to 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.400 do it. So it's going to be fascinating to see 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.679 how it lines up. And I suspect they'll probably play 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.480 pretty much like the Ravens did. And I'm sure that 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.120 you know, head coach like Mike McDaniel, who's always looking 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.280 to push the needle. We'll be asking questions about whether 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.400 or not you know and of Carle Hamilton type of 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:08.560 player work with the Dolphins. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.240 And that was your preview for training camp recaps here 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.040 on the Drive Time podcast, because that's what I'm gonna 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:14.480 be looking at. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:15.880 Every single day of camp this summer. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.440 I can't wait to see how it all plays out, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.400 because you just talked about like there's so many different 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.800 routes we could see this thing take, you know, how 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.280 it could how it could go, And like you mentioned 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.240 Javon Hall, and I think about he made a play 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.840 in the PAC twelve Championship game. I think it was 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.440 his last year at Organ, and I know you'll know 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.840 what I'm talking about, where he's like playing the slot 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.200 to the front side three and then like he peels 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.040 off and gets to the backside too. It just like 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.920 jumps this route and picks it off and makes us 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.480 crazy play where he never should have been in the 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.880 first place. That's why I think like he could possibly 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.160 filter into that role. And then like Jalen Rams like 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.599 you talk about, I mean, my goodness, he can do 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.240 whatever you ask him to do. And then by the way, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.400 Kyle Hamilton'll making it to the fourteenth or fifteenth thick 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:50.760 whatever it was, that was criminal. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.440 Like to be able to play single high like he 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.800 did and go from from the from the field side 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.520 to the boundary side with such speed, with such freedom 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.680 of movement at six foot four, two hundred and twenty 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.800 pounds was crazy. And to allow him to get to 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.959 the Ravens was one of the big, you know, mistake, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.280 a huge mistake. He's such a good player. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.240 Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more on that, and 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:15.920 he was a big part of what the Ravens ran 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.480 on that back end because of that flexibility, because of 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.600 his range, and it helps him the sky so much too. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.079 And it's funny because every time we play the Bills, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.720 I usually asked too, like well, how tough are hide 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.520 employer to go aguess, and is like they never change, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:29.920 They're always interchangeable. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.760 So it's always you don't know how the coverage is 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:32.200 going to tilt. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.720 And so with that in mind, Oyer being here Holland 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.240 with the Ravens kind of influence in Anthony Weaver. Tell 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.000 the fans about what a big nickel package is, what 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:45.000 it does, what it accomplishes, because we saw the Ravens 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.800 run that all the time last year. Almost their base, right, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.200 are three safety of package on defense. I remember Minka 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.760 Fitzpatrick being down here was a big part of the 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.920 big nickel package they ran. Just talk to us about 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.679 that a little bit and how how it helps the 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.679 defense run that is almost like it's base opposed to 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.280 try totional two safety coverage. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.600 Yeah, I mean it's the Yeah, it's the the NFL's 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.280 kind of hottest defensive formation really in terms of the 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.120 biggest trend. And it's what you know, this is what 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.719 the modern game is is going towards and you know, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.800 we talk about offensive linemen coming into the league in 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.000 terms of you know, being struggling as run blockers, struggling 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.800 to do all these things. But you tend to find 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.079 much better pass protectors now coming out of college, mainly 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.320 because you know, college football is essentially just past, past, past, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.120 past past, and it's taken on all the concepts of 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.360 high school football, and the NFL is cyclical and has 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.360 now taken on all the kind of the college concepts. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.880 And you know, so all all you're doing is kind 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.240 of crafting exotic kind of zone blit schemes to use 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.959 a whole variety of kind of personnel packages to neutralize, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.760 you know, an opponent's number one weapon, and astute play callers, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.960 defensive play callers just aren't afraid to sort of deploy, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.240 i don't know, unorthodox kind of tactics to get their 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.320 teams in the in the best position to win. And 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.680 I think you look at a team and ironically, you know, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.079 a Vic Fangio coach team, but you look at the 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.440 Philadelphia Eagles from a couple of years ago with Chauncey 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.199 Gardner Johnson, who you know, came over from Florida, was 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:17.600 at New Orleans and then went to the Eagles and 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.000 was able to just do a multiple array of things 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.199 in terms of being a slot corner but also a 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.720 big nickel who can walk down into the box, play 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.200 the run with power and with tenacity and drive and 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.199 make tackles, but can also carry you know, number one 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.760 receivers forty to fifty yards down the field, you know, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.760 in trail, in perfect hip to hip coverage. And that's 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:38.959 what every team is looking for. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:39.360 You know. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.480 Base defense is no longer you know, for met out 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.160 front of three men in the middle and foremen on 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.760 the back. That's just not how you know, every team 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.920 is in nickel and dime almost all of the time. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.640 So to be able to have that kind of chess piece, 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.559 that Swiss army knife, who can come in, who can 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.000 man match from the slot, who can play you know, 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.200 robber at that kind And when we talk about robber 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.720 in terms of that sort of I suppose the invisible 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.400 line that separates where the linebackers might drop to to 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.960 the point where the safety has come into to to 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.520 sort of toll. And we'll get onto somebody like cold 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.280 Bishop of Utah in a minute. He'll be a perfect 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.040 robber in them in the NFL. But but somebody like that. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.760 But but someone that can play you know, a bit 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.080 of linebacker in terms of just being able to match 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.040 up with running backs out of the backfield with tight 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.440 ends down the field. But also you're not scared to 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:25.800 you know, you're not scared to have a guy who 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.920 can run forty fifty yards with a with a slot 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.160 receiver like a Tank Dell or a you know, a 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.800 number one receiver like a Tyreek Hill and you feel 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.160 comfortable with that with somebody like Chauncey Cardner Johnson to 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.120 be able to do that, and that's you know, that's 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.200 what he's so good. That's what Cayl Hamilton will do. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.080 That's what the league is coming to. And you know, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.800 you look at some of the draft eligible guys in 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.960 this in this draft class, you're not just predicting whether 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.439 can a guy be you know, can he be an 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.839 outside corner purely, can he be a nickel corner purely? 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.760 But can he also be a big safety that or 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.560 you know, a nickel safety who can come down and 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.000 do all those things that just help a defense folks 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.520 and win from multiple alignments. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.160 That takes me to my I guess my first question 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.840 perfectly because is there a guy in this class Because 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.920 I look at for instance, Iowa was Cooper j Jean 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.680 is a guy that he's so athletic and the ball 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.640 skills and the instincts and the tape is so good. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.720 And I've seen people talk about that. Maybe even your 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.520 co host Chris Kaufman has mentioned that a few times. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.560 I think he's talked about that. I could be wrong, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.440 but is he a guy that you think could be 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.520 a guy that gets drafted high because of the ability 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.079 to not just play premier cornerback, but to be a 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.440 Kyle Hamilton, a Javon Hall, and a geel and Ramsey 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.360 guy that moves all over the formation on defense. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.560 Yeah, I mean to me, Cooper and I would call 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.360 him to Gene. But maybe that's a European thing. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:40.920 But I can be wrong. That's my best. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.400 Maybe it's just the I'm close to France, so maybe 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.600 that's what it is. I mean to me, he's one 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.960 of the more unique players in this entire class. I mean, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.480 he is that kind of modern day weapon that we 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.840 talked about. He is started at cornerback. He started what 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.560 the what coach Forens calls the cash position, which is 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.240 this sort of free safety linebacker hybrid. He started played 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.680 at safety. He's practiced heavily at both strong and free 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.920 safety for the Hawkyves. And just an incredible athlete. I mean, 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.440 this guy was a state champion twice in football. He 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.720 was a state champion at basketball, averaging twenty five points 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.400 a game. He scored more points in Iowa high school 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.960 basketball history than and I can't remember the guy's name. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.080 He plays in the NBA for the Sacramento Kings. But 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.240 you know this is you know, this is a guy 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.160 who is incredible athlete. He's a he won a state 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.440 championship in the one hundred meters. He won a state 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.640 championship in the long jump. He was a quarterback in 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.359 high school and he was recruited by South Dakota State 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.560 to go and play quarterbacks. So he is incredibly athletic, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.400 and teams will have to ask whether or not he 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.360 is best suited as a zone corner or whether or 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.560 not he takes on that Gardner Johnson sort of role 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.560 as a safety who can cover tight ends and slots 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.400 down the field. He's got some stiffness in his hips, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.080 you know when you see him trying to man match 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.240 and then turn, which I think will probably take him 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.200 out of sort of the ideal, you know, teams that 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.600 will run press coverage the whole time, but as an 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.880 incredib Swiss army knife that can be used in a 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.000 variety of ways. I think he'd be perfect for the 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.040 Dolphins in terms of, you know, what he can do 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.080 in terms of playing zone or off man at corner, 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.600 using those great instincts and ball skills and flashing that 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:18.320 great understanding for route combinations and spacing in zone. He's 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.480 incredibly instinctive. He can work sideline to sideline, he can 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.400 work from the middle of the field to the sideline, 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.120 he can step down into the box. I think he's 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:30.040 probably the best tackling, takedown cornerback in this draft. And 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.640 the ball production you can't argue with. There's seven picks 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.920 including three pick six's, twenty past breakups over the last 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.200 two seasons, and you know, if you're looking for a 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.320 guy that can carry receivers down the field, who can 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.680 step into the box and make tackles, who can line 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.440 up on the outside as a corner in zone or 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.160 in off man, I think he is absolutely that. I 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.320 think he's a top twenty twenty one pick, and I 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.640 think he's a Pro Bowl plus kind of guy, and 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.200 he's obviously got outstanding juice in the return game. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.000 So if he's the pick at twenty one, and I 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.240 see Dolphins Twitter because I've been seeing the tweets about it, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.000 if we take a cornerback, I'm going to be this 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.240 level of mad. Right if you see his name across 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.560 the board at twenty one, just remember this. I'm going 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.600 to pull this segment back up and play it for 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.680 you guys again, because it's not just taking a player 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.080 for one position when it comes to that. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.720 So that's a great If. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.520 You think he's a cornerback, then you're doing this wrong 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.080 in terms of it's just a cornerback, then you're doing this. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.320 So we are talking about safeties because and that's why 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:24.600 I wanted to get to him, because I think that 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.600 he really kind of checks both those boxes at least 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.560 in some ways. But if we are considering him for 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.400 that role, I would assume that he would be your 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.920 top safety, even though he's not a safety. I would 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.680 assume that he's kind of your top guy on the board. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.760 There is there anybody else at the safety group that 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.280 you think is worthy of the first round. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:41.760 And if not, where did that first guy come off? 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:42.280 And who is it? 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.760 I don't I don't have another first round safety in 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.360 the class. I've got to say. And what I love 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.400 about Degene is that you can play him in multiple positions. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.280 You know, I don't think Miami would use him as 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.320 APU of safety. I think he would. What he would 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.400 allow you to do is just he will allow you 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.960 to move puzzle pieces around. It mean that Jordan Poyer 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.600 just isn't a strong safety, you know, Ali Runner. It 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.000 will mean that Jalen can you know, I would imagine 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.440 Jays and Ramsey will do other things than just play corner. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.960