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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. The Saints haven't named their starting quarterback yet,

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Speaker 1: but Jamis Winston looked great last night against Jacksonville. Boy,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. We'll go that's preseason. Don't overreact, and then

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Speaker 1: it's a preseason game, and then we overreact. Jamis Winston

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Speaker 1: he looked great last night. Taysom Hill looked inconsistent. The Saints.

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Speaker 1: They've found the successor to Drew Brees. Slow down. It

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Speaker 1: was Jacksonville against the Saints. Here's the problem. We don't

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Speaker 1: slow down. There's no stop sign here, and if there is,

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Speaker 1: we glide through the stop son Jamis Winston can look good.

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Speaker 1: He has looked good. He can look bad. He's looked bad.

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Speaker 1: I like Jamis Winston with Sean Payton. He does have

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Speaker 1: a great arm. He has questionable throws. He's going to

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Speaker 1: have questionable throws. They plagued him in Tampa. He played

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Speaker 1: for Bruce Arians and they wanted to have an off

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Speaker 1: no biscuit. Okay, you're kind of asking for turnovers there.

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Speaker 1: Make something happen. Well, fans in New Orleans. I guess

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Speaker 1: you have reason to be excited, maybe relieved. How about that,

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Speaker 1: because there's still a lot of unknown in the post

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees era, because how do you replace one of

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Speaker 1: the more productive quarterbacks in NFL history. Jamis is only

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Speaker 1: twenty seven, so he has a chance to be more

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Speaker 1: than just a bridge quarterback. He does have talent, and

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Speaker 1: maybe New Orleans is the place that he can put

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Speaker 1: it all together. I'm not all in on Jamis. I

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Speaker 1: did tell you that I thought he was going to

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Speaker 1: near all in on Taysom Hill. I am as a

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Speaker 1: football player, but not as a quarterback because he is inconsistent.

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Speaker 1: And I do like him being in there as a

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, because I do think he serves a

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Speaker 1: purpose here. Plus factor this in I believe he's the

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Speaker 1: fourth highest paid player on that team. He's going to play.

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Speaker 1: He's just not you're starting quarterback in my opinion. But

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Speaker 1: let the overreacting begin or continue. Jamis Winston will keep

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Speaker 1: both teams in the game. But if you have Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton and he can simplify the offense, there and try.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to tell somebody to not be as aggressive

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Speaker 1: where you go, Okay, he can do it. That's not

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Speaker 1: a ringing endorsement. Okay, he can do it. Man. He

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Speaker 1: threw thirty touchdowns, yeah, and he threw thirty interceptions. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I have to say this. I mean his completion percentage,

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Speaker 1: But he giveth and he taketh away. And that's really

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Speaker 1: And this has to drive Sean Payton crazy because he

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, you follow that Trey Lance in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: I say to Taysom Hill you may have to throw

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Speaker 1: thirty five to forty times in the game. He's not

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Speaker 1: consistent enough. And normally in college where everybody is completing

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Speaker 1: a great athlete playing quarterback. Jameis Winston has a chance

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Speaker 1: QB whisperer. That's my biggest concern with Trevor Lawrence. You know,

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Speaker 1: You can't. You can't do any damage if you're on

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Speaker 1: you have to make sure you keep somebody else in.

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Speaker 1: If not, he's going to be running for his life.

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Speaker 1: And he's a big target and you saw last night

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is not going to keep up with these

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Speaker 1: why when you look at Mahomes, If Mahomes went to Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: really important with the development here. Don't build up bad habits,

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he's going to be consistent this year.

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Speaker 1: Com Senior Writer, ESPN Insider National College Football Reporter Heather

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Speaker 1: Dnich is a senior writer for ESPN covering college football,

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Speaker 1: and coverage of the twenty twenty one college football season

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Speaker 1: kicks off this Saturday. It'll be Hawaii at UCLA. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Explain what this alliance is. So

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Speaker 1: it's kind of tricky to explain, but the best way

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Speaker 1: there were no explicit conversations saying we're not going to

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Speaker 1: poach each other's teams. But this is a response to

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Speaker 1: to hear the phrase like minded institutions. Right. There are

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to understand that at what point you

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Speaker 1: So what happens. And one of the other questions too is, look,

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Speaker 1: doesn't the Big Ten just reach out to USC, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: of pick what like the SEC is doing. That's a

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Speaker 1: fair question, Kevin bourn Is, and we got to remember

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Speaker 1: And to your point, it wouldn't surprise me if Kevin,

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Speaker 1: a big reason why the PAC twelve is, at least

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Speaker 1: according to sources, driving the push for this alliance is

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Speaker 1: buckets of money. No, they didn't offer him a contract.

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Speaker 1: And if it's Shield, I think it's facing a similar

429
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: fat But he's one hundred and fifty catches away from

430
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Jerry right, one hundred and fifteen away from Jerry Rice's

431
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: number if he wants to catch like forty passes over

432
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: the next three years. Because you know Larry, you know

433
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: he's not getting that much separation. And ultimately you come

434
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: to the end of your career like it's he's taken

435
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: a spot away from another young player that shouldn't be

436
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: developing out there playing. That's the reality to it. But

437
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: when do you know it's time, Like you said, you

438
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: don't create separation. I don't know if Larry has created

439
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: separation for quite some time now, but he was still

440
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: a very valuable asset to that offense. But as a

441
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver, when do you know, well, it's a combination

442
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: of things. You know, is someone going to allow you

443
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: to play, that you can make a contribution to the game,

444
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: and that's what he's been able to do the last

445
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: several years. Um, they're in Arizona. When do you know

446
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult because he's not going to find

447
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: a job that's like playing in the NFL. So you're

448
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: you're you're like a boxer. Do I take another fight

449
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: and find out during the fight that you know something

450
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I should have retired on the last fight. So it's

451
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: a tough, tough situation. UM. I believe you should play.

452
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: As long as you as a team is going to

453
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: pay you to play, you should do it because there

454
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: is no coming back and there's no job that would

455
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: replace being an NFL player. Our gloves performance enhancing. UM

456
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, given technology, we have

457
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: to embrace technology. So UM yeah, the gloves they do help.

458
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: The wide receivers and the defensive backs, linebackers, running backs,

459
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: tight ends, they all benefit from them. UM. So you

460
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: know it's it's not just the wide receivers. It then

461
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: it's just the technology. The cleats are better, the helmets

462
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: are better, the shoulder paths are better, the material the

463
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: jersey are made in. It's better. The graty rate is

464
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: a little bit better, So it's all better. I mean, well,

465
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: what are we talking about. Um, you didn't wear them

466
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Yeah, because we didn't wear gloves at

467
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State unless it was a certain temperature. So you

468
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: just got when you got into the league, you you

469
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: weren't wearing them because you didn't wear them at Ohio State.

470
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean I just started off. No, I didn't think

471
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: I needed them. And then when the season is extended

472
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: in college, you're playing you know, Big Blue in late

473
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: November NFL, I mean you got, you got five or

474
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: six more games potential, and it's cold on the East Coast,

475
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: and that win, and guys delivering the ball in the

476
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: NFL throw the ball harder. The NFL ball has a

477
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: larger circumference, and when it gets cold, the point of

478
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: it get it's a little bit harder, so it's harder

479
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: to catch than any football out there. So the gloves

480
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: become necessary when we're playing in the NFL. So with

481
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: the extended season, and if you're on the East Coast,

482
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: what do you think we're going to look at with

483
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: wide receiving numbers? As we move on with this, Chris

484
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: when we're looking at the Hall of Fame that it

485
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: used to be if you got to a thousand catches,

486
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: like you're a Hall of Famer. Now we're looking at

487
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: a thousand catches and going, I don't know, like this

488
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: this past happy league. Now, even even the quarterbacking numbers here,

489
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: like what's that going to do? And what's it going

490
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 1: to do to running back numbers? Can we say if

491
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: you get to ten thousand yards as it used to be,

492
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: that you're a Hall of Famer. I'm just curious about

493
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: these numbers with the way the NFL is going, well,

494
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: I think you have to adjust the numbers. And it

495
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: is only one game. So if you look at a

496
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: guy plays Leigh Fitzgerald, if he used to start his

497
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: career today and he was to play seventeen seasons, I

498
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: played sixteen seasons, So it really just gives him, you know,

499
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: seventeen more games than me over a career, which is

500
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: really not that much, you know, if you're out there playing,

501
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: So the numbers have to be adjusted, just like any

502
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: other sport. You know. I think that you know, to me,

503
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: we've always looked at you know, eleven fifty twelve hundred

504
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: yards as far as the receiver, UM. Now you know,

505
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: I believe it's probably gonna be around thirteen hundred yards. UM.

506
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: You should be expecting the top receivers, and I think

507
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: that Bill the top guys will catch between one five

508
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: in one sixty UM, as far as you know, because

509
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: they're targeted so much. So I think one forty five

510
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: maybe a little under one sixty, that that would be

511
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the number when someone's having a record breaking it. Who

512
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: was the defensive back that just figured you out? It

513
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: frustrated you the most? Well, I don't, UM, I don't

514
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: think you get to the Hall of Fame with someone

515
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: figuring you out. UM. So you know, to me, I

516
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: was in an era where there was some great grade

517
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, defensive backs. It was at the end of

518
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: the error where Michael Hayes and you know, arguably he's

519
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: one of the people that invented the bumping run. So

520
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: then you get into the runne lot, you get into

521
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: the Rod Woodson, Dion Sanders, Darryl green A, Knias Williams

522
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: like all these guys I played against multiple times. So

523
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: what I've all the best way to try to describe

524
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: it is when you're playing against a player like that,

525
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to have a stalemate. You're like you're trying

526
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: to draw even in that matchup to give your team

527
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: still an advantage because he's not dominant like he is

528
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: in the other games. Like, you can't go into these

529
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: matchups thinking I'm getting ready to dominate a Knis. I'm

530
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: getting ready dominate Darryl Green. No, you want to have

531
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: a stalemate with them, but if they slip up, you're

532
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna be able to make some plays against them. And

533
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: that's what's happened. They've made some plays against me. I've

534
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: made some plays against them. But I think that grouping

535
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: of people. If there was a skill set that I

536
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: would take of any of the dbs that I faced,

537
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: I would say Don because he's a lot taller than

538
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: people think. He's a technician more than people think. His

539
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: arms are longer than people think, and bump, bump and

540
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: run is the toughest coverage, and he has that catchup speed.

541
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Daryl Green has it, but Daryl doesn't have the size

542
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: of d M And Daryl is more apt to let

543
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: you off the line of scrimmage compared to Don. He's

544
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: going to fight you at the line and not give

545
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: you an easy release. So the skill set, the body type,

546
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: the sizzle. I gotta go with DM. Did you ever

547
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: talk trash while the ball is in the air? No? No,

548
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: that's that's that's impossible to do. Like the game is very,

549
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: very hard, the motor and skills to be able to

550
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: catch your football and try to keep defenders and everything

551
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: off of you. No, that's one of the few times

552
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I know you might be a little surprised on the

553
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: time that you have to amount. Yes, Like even a

554
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: person like you, if you were a wide receiver, you

555
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to talk and run routes and everything.

556
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: I would try though, I would. I would, you know,

557
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: on that that slant route that I'm famous for, I would.

558
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: I would do that. Now if the ball's up in

559
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: the air and you're going deep and you're like, oh,

560
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get burned, like I would, I come on,

561
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: I think that it's just too it's too difficult to

562
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: track a ball. Too many things can go wrong. Um,

563
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: and you got your full focus on that football when

564
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: it's in the air. Do you have a most of

565
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: the time, do you have a play that still bothers

566
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: you at night? No, you don't think, Oh god, I

567
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: dropped that ball. No, I think that the Atlantic game

568
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: of the ninety eight team. I'd like like to be

569
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: able to make another play in the game to give

570
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: us an advantage, to give us a chance to go

571
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. But no, no, if there was

572
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: something that's gonna get me to the super Bowl, I

573
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, that you know Tom Brady went ten.

574
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: I would like one, one, two. Would you rather catch

575
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: a ball from Rogers, Mahomes or Brady Rogers, My homes

576
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: are Brady. Um, I'm probably gonna say Patrick Mahomes because

577
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm about velocity. The more velocity you have on the ball,

578
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: the more RPMs, the less reaction time the defense has,

579
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: and the more the more aggressive you can be on

580
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: the defense. So it's not because I think he's better.

581
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Aaron throws a very good ball too. It's between those

582
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: two and just because they just have more RPMs than

583
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: than Tom Brady. If you said one pass, if you're

584
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: gonna play a game, you're gonna play a season, you're

585
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna play anything else. Tom Brady's gonna win out on

586
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: that because he's proved it. I mean, there's only been

587
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: fifty five super Bowl he's been in ten like, yeah,

588
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: I remember Jerry Rice said Steve Young as a left hander,

589
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: like he you know, he threw it. It's a different

590
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: ball coming from a left hander. Do you do you

591
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: buy into that? No, it is the minister. Yeah, it's

592
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: still different than a picture. I'm gonna I was talking

593
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: to Damn Marino and I'm gonna go down and talk

594
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins probably before their first regular season game,

595
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: and that will be one of the things that I

596
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: will talk to them about. Because probably seventy percent or

597
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: more of society is right hand, so most coaches even

598
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: think right hand. Most coaches are right hen, most coordinators

599
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: are right hen, most quarterbacks are right hen. So when

600
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: you watch football, it's very, very hard to see them

601
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: operate on the left side the field. People say, well, man,

602
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: with all this the matics and analytics and everything, but

603
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: you can't overcome who you are. And almost everyone is

604
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: right handed, and the right handed quarterback when they throw

605
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: the football, the ball comes off going from right to

606
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: left because it comes off their hand this way. A

607
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: left hander when they throw it, it comes off this way,

608
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: so it's spinning the opposite way. So, for instance, if

609
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: I have a left hand quarterback, into it. And I'm

610
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: on the right side and I'm a receiver and I'm

611
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: running anything that's breaking to the sideline, I have to

612
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: be careful on my break because the ball will tail

613
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: back into the field of play. All right. If I'm

614
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: running a deep rout a deep post and I stick

615
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: the post, he throws it to me, it's coming from

616
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: a lefty, it's gonna spend away from me, so I'm

617
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to maybe hit another gear compared to if

618
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm the receiver on the left and he throws it

619
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: to the ball is probably going to come back over

620
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: my head more up the field. So those are the

621
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: little things that we charter and we make mental notes

622
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: so that they know that, oh, okay, if I'm running

623
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: an outbreaking route on the left side and he's a lefty,

624
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: the ball's gone a break away from it's you can't

625
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: overcome the spin and how the ball is going to

626
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: be arrived. So the more information, it's like New England,

627
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: the more information that they can give to the player,

628
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: it allows the player to be able to just and

629
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: be successful. And those are some of the things I've

630
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: been teaching receivers for years. Talking to Chris Carter, He's

631
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: got a new podcast in association with Blue Wire and

632
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: win Bet and launches Thursday Wide Receiver One, and he

633
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: talks to Mike Evans, Calvin Johnson, Julian Edelman among the

634
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: luminaries there. Maybe having Lebron on and talk about him

635
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: when he was in high school as a wide receiver, Well,

636
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: the contact, I think, you know, the high of the

637
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: people surrounding Lebron. He made All State his sophomore e

638
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: already broke his wrist and that kind of ended his

639
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: football asspirations. But as you have seen through the years,

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Speaker 1: especially when he was with the Calves, Oh, he's a

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Speaker 1: big Buckeye fan. He shows up at the Horseshoe. He

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Speaker 1: has amazing gifts that he sends the team, you know,

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Speaker 1: with his gear and everything throughout the last several years.

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Speaker 1: So we're glad to have him aboard. Could he have

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Speaker 1: been Moss, Could he have been TiO? Could he have

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Speaker 1: been Calvin Johnson? I think what he's done in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't Lebron's a tough guy in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a tough guy in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like if it was that easy, you

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Speaker 1: saying Boat would be playing somewhere, But all of a sudden, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys come about the surface and they hit

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Speaker 1: you and they say things to you. And most track

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Speaker 1: athletes they don't have that type of temperament. And I

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Speaker 1: would say NBA toughness is a different type of toughness

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Speaker 1: in grid than what you need to play in the

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now, I am going to tell you this,

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Speaker 1: guys have been successful the last twenty five years. They're

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Speaker 1: the basketball rejects. They're the guys that are small forwards

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Speaker 1: and they average about ten, twelve, fifteen points you know,

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Speaker 1: in college, and they're not good enough to play in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Antonio Gates, Gonzalez, these dudes, Jimmy Graham, I

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Speaker 1: call them basketball rejects because NBA didn't want them and

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Speaker 1: they come into the league and they dominate because it

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Speaker 1: becomes basketball on turf. So that is great to see

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Speaker 1: that how the scouting department is finding these guys that

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Speaker 1: you know, do have some basketball backgrounds. It's great to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you, Chris, and Chris had a great

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Speaker 1: basketball background as well. Probably could have played basketball Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: couldn't you? I could have definitely played basketball Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but you know, my football career was already launched.

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Speaker 1: I had to when I signed with Ohiose State. I

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Speaker 1: was supposed to play both, but then I got MVP

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Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl and I got a little banged up,

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Speaker 1: and then I really wanted to concentrate on my academics

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Speaker 1: and the weight coach he challenged me to be the

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Speaker 1: first All American wide receiver in one hundred and ten

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Speaker 1: year history I think it was at the time, and

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Speaker 1: he was like, you need to be with me at

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Speaker 1: six am twice during winter at quarter and you'll be

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Speaker 1: the first All American. You'll get that Buckeye Tree and

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Speaker 1: I made a commitment joint and we got it done.

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Speaker 1: How would you have done one on one with Moss

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Speaker 1: and basketball? I think Moss is a little bit better

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Speaker 1: than me. He's a little longer than me. He's a

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Speaker 1: little more athletic than me. I think that him and

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Speaker 1: I could play on the same team. I can play

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Speaker 1: the point. I'm not like you. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: play the shooting guard, and then I can play some

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Speaker 1: hell of a defense. I think we would be a

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Speaker 1: hell of a backcourt combination, and we have taken down

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Speaker 1: many of foods on the basketball court on the same squad.

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Speaker 1: Straight cast Homie, Yes, he always picks me. Great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you, Chris, good luck with the podcast and

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. All right, thank you, Dan,