WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 091722 The Robbery and Death of PnB Rock (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.920 And now. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:10.119 My mic back, you're like that, you can strike waters 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.840 and head borders behind him. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.760 And then if you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.000 am your host Ramses John. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.599 He is Ramses John, I am q Ward and you 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.279 are once again tuned in to Civic Cycle. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.360 Listended, be sure to stick around because we still got 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.480 a lot more so coming your way. I'm not even 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.240 sure how we're going to really approach this, but we're 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.319 going to talk about P and b Rock. If you're 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.239 listening to this, there's a good chance you're listening on 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:43.320 a hip hop station. This show exists for some real, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:49.040 specific reasons. But I didn't want this moment to pass 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.760 without us dealing with some real, some real you know, 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:54.360 in this show. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.160 So also before we move on, and you and I 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.000 can both look into this to make sure that we're 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.080 addressing this properly. It's a small thing, but it could 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.120 be a major thing to someone else. I said the 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.679 word dreads when I was living in Atlanta locks, and 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.680 one of my colleagues that had locks corrected me. Now 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.520 we can read up on the proper way to say 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.120 that and the reasons why. But we said that in 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:26.319 the first Lord Valerian had dreads. I want to correct 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.160 us and say that he had silver locks, and we 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.959 will educate the audience on why that's the case on 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:32.880 a future episode. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.479 Sure locks, Yes, indeed, right now we're going to discuss 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:44.440 how to become a better ally. This one comes from 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.720 Major Threads, so shout out to Major Threads for sponsoring 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:54.639 this installment. And the article comes via World Economic Forum. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.880 This is entitled four ways to be an ally in 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:04.200 the Fight against Racism. So what we're doing is addressing 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.520 systemic racism, So take notes if you want, or of 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.040 course rewind the show or check out sibing cipher dot 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.200 com and download it. But number one is understand that 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:20.399 systemic racism goes beyond police brutality. It's much bigger. They're 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.079 much bigger things in place, long standing ideals, so farth 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.560 that need to be addressed. Number two, speak up against 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.440 racism in the workplace and support black colleagues. This one 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:37.480 is very important because racism oftentimes festers or as loudest 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.639 when black people aren't around, and that's the most opportune 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.160 time to address it. And if you are a non 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.040 black person, you end up in those spaces and you 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.320 can hear that you need to address it. Help us 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:51.600 out target racism and education, promote what is known as 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.160 critical race theory, but really is American history. I saw 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.440 roots in the fourth grade. I'm fine, so did everybody 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.760 else in my class. Number four Petitions and political engagement. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.800 Stay involved in the political process and just vote with 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:10.080 your conscious. Visit weforum dot org to view examples of 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:16.079 how to implement and learn more. All right, so, now, 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.880 pnb Rock, what do. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:31.000 You know about this Philadelphia rapper? I think current Los 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:37.640 Angeles resident someone that the hip hop community not only 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.800 knows very well, but as you can tell from the outcry, 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.160 was fond of not just fans, but even his comrades, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.800 his colleagues, the people that he shared the space with 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.520 all seemed to collectively speak highly of his character and 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:59.520 of his person. Him and his lady at Orosco's Chicken 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:05.160 and Waffle, I think in East LA in a neighborhood 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:13.080 that you know is maybe not right for celebrity or tourism. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.400 His lady sharing their location on social media. Some people 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:21.080 think that has something to do with it. Maybe him 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.440 just being followed to the location by someone who had 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.039 an issue with him. And what I've read was an 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:31.080 attempt at robbery. I saw a very traumatic video about it, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.679 and I was not given any preparation, Like the person 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.480 that sent it didn't say, hey, before you watch this, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:37.280 it's this. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:38.920 I didn't see it, So I just. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:44.720 Touched a link and literally saw him lying in a 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:45.600 pool of blood. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.640 Oh no, I didn't see that, dying but not dead yet. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.000 So it was it was worse. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.520 I'm not watching a steal person where that he's no 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.040 longer animated, and I'm looking at the aftermath like no, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:03.560 watching him still like try to move. And again I 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.479 was not giving any heads up. I didn't even know 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.760 who it was when I saw the video, and then 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.000 came the stories hours later of people even at that 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.640 point still trying to figure out if it was who 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.799 they thought, or who if it was who some people 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.040 were reporting. Again, I read what was called a failed 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:26.080 robbery attempt that could have just been a cold blooded murder. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.880 Of course, have no idea the reasons why, but they 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.280 could be seen as very very obvious. When you put 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:45.360 people in an environment and you create conditions where there 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.960 are those that have it all or what appears to 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:54.159 be everything, and you put them in an environment where 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.600 there are those who have nothing. You create a predator 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.640 prey environment, and a lot of people, a lot of 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.800 sources will and I see a lot of our people 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.320 speaking up angrily about the black on black crime aspect 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.839 of this story, which I think it has very little 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:18.800 to do with. It is a have versus have not scenario, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.919 It is a proximity scenario. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:22.640 It is a. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.560 If you listen to the show, Ramses and I are 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.880 very very proud of where we're from. By nature of 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.760 being from two of the coolest cities on earth, you know, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:43.120 pardon our bias, but our people, and maybe it's by 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.880 nature of surviving the circumstances we're born into. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:47.520 We're typically really. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.880 Proud about where we're from, not just confident in Detroit, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.600 but Newark and Brooklyn and New Orleans and Ship the 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.440 South Side of Chicago. Like I can name cities all 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.520 over the world where the circumstances are the same. We 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.039 are the have nots, and mass becoming an adult out 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.560 of that environment where you're born to die, some may 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.280 say and stills a certain pride in us right, very 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.400 very proud of where we're from. But I know when 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.440 I go back to seven Mile Road, you're from there. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:24.600 You do not still live there, sir. You are of it, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.440 or you were in it, but not of it. Right, 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.560 there were some decisions you made that led you to 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.640 be the father of two who gets to sit across 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.239 from Ramses and talk about these very very sometimes difficult, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.200 but very necessary things. And when I go back to 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.520 that space, I have to have a respect for it. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.560 There are predators in that space. And when I show 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.800 up with my glasses on and my well tailored clothing, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.880 with any resemblance of opulence, with any resemblance of success, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.200 I am now the prey, even though I grew up 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.600 in that very neighborhood. There is a respect required for 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.560 going back into that space that sometimes we don't pay 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.440 because we feel like we're entitled to be there. You know, 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.000 I'm from here, just like you from here, And I 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.960 put my pants on one leg at a time, just 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.800 like you. Sure you do. But that thing on your 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.600 neck cost seventy thousand dollars, sir, and I ain't got it, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.040 and the rent is due in two weeks, and my 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:33.080 kids hungry too. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:43.520 I'm glad you said that because you mentioned that you know, 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.280 I'm from California, comptent to be exacted. I was in 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:53.760 California when he was shot. FU. I was just I 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.840 was there, shout out to Big Boy. I was hanging 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.800 out with the Big Boy. If you're a fan of radio, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:02.360 he's a mentor and oga mine and as the Boy 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.800 as we're sitting down talking approximately at the time, we 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.960 were just hanging out at Chick fil A. This happened 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.000 not in the same part of town. I don't want 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.640 to give that impression, but I'm you know, there in 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:20.920 that place. And remember we live and broadcast from Arizona 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:27.600 from Phoenix, so I was out of town anyway. Yeah, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.880 being from California, there's a particular association that I have 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:40.520 with one person who lost his life who was from 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:46.439 the hip hop community. That just hurt me differently, and 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:51.600 that was Nipsey Hustle around. A lot of people will agree, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:58.360 but you know, I you know Compton is I'm not 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.160 going to act like I grew up in Compton. I 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.240 was gangbanging and this and that and the other. I'm 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.200 from there, just like you was saying, I'm from there, 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.640 so I know people from there. I know what the 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.559 environment is like. I was there in the eighties. You 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:10.960 know what I'm saying, so I was there when it 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.040 was the worst, and then of course my family stayed there, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.240 so that's where I have to go visit, you know 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:22.280 what I'm saying, that sort of stuff. Nipsey Hustle was 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:29.119 the sort of person where, like, I get it, I understand. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.120 I know why you talk like that, I know why 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.000 you move like that. You have to. You gotta swim 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:40.760 in the stream, you know. And for those who know 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:48.080 the story, Nipsey was killed by a black man. You know, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:49.959 we're talking about pm b Rock today, you know what 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.760 I mean. He was robbed. Pmb Rock was robbed at 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.680 the Roscoes for his necklace and I believe his watch 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:05.720 something like that. And this isn't one of those moments 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:13.560 where talking about black on black crime is There's never 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.480 a moment when talking about black on black crime is 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.800 meaningful in matters, because black on black crime isn't a 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.120 real thing. It is in the sense that a black 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.520 person can commit a crime and another black person be 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.640 the victim of it, But in terms of it being 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.720 some sort of you know, epidemic sort of thing, it's not. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.280 That's not true, you know, any more than white on 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.040 white crime is the thing you know, crime is crime, 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:40.920 and the people closest to the ones they get it. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.960 You know what I'm saying. If you're a criminal, or 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.040 you know, if you're living a crime infested area, you know, 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.240 if you get an argument with someone, chances are they 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.240 related to you or they know you for a long time. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.840 You know, you don't just get in fights with strangers 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.120 off the streets. Usually getting strike fights with people you know. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.480 Those people tend to be closely associated with your tribe. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.959 And so this is the way that works. So black 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.800 on black crime as a term is something that was 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:14.719 created and it's meant. The intention is to put the 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:21.880 blame for black people's problems in the lap of black people, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.240 which in principle sounds like, yeah, that's fair, But the 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:33.199 truth is the effect is that it serves as sort 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.440 of a scapegoat or a lightning rod. The term black 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:40.960 on black crime is a lightning rod. So that I 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.880 hate to keep picking on conservatives, but really that's where 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.880 it comes from. The conservative facet of this country doesn't 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:55.520 need to really address the systemic issues created by a 0:12:55.520 --> 0:13:00.719 lot of their policies. And I'm not going to let 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.800 the Democrats or the liberals off the hook. Here either 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.680 a lot of times the liberals too, you know, and 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.440 I'm not saying everyone was intentional. Some people just didn't 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.120 know better, you know. But this is the this is 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.240 the truth of the matter. It's cyclical, right, there's there's 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.080 a there's moments in history where these things were flipped. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:19.400 The roles were reversed. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.040 Sure, you know, the Republican and Democratic Party and the 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.480 way that they approached politics and government. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.560 The roles have reversed a bit. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.800 They have not always been, uh, in the positions that 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.439 they're in now, but there have always been conservatives that 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:43.839 they probably think not always existed. It's always been systemically 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.240 oppressing very good. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:52.560 So really the the conversation, because you might be listening like, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:53.760 oh my god, here they go again. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.880 But yes, by the way, yes here they go again 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.600 and again, like so next week we on that. Yeah, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.760 just a you if you just tooed it by me 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.360 thaking you were flipping through, Yes, here they go again 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.400 and next time, just so we're clear. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:15.720 Sake, So watch this rather than okay, here's another example 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.760 of a black man killing a black man. They're they're 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.400 eating each other, they're fighting each other, blah blah blah. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:29.280 Rather than having that attitude, that approach, that ignorance, that 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.720 that willful ignorance, that that deliberate blindness to the reality 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:38.080 we choose and many educated people, many people who have 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:46.000 a much more broad view of what's really happening, tend 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.880 to look at society. Q made it an excellent point 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.320 when we first started talking about this versus half nots. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.720 A lot of crime that you find in poor neighborhoods 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.200 is the result of economic inequality. And if you address 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:09.080 the economic inequality, the need for crime drops, and therefore 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.120 crime drops. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.240 Now rams Is, being one of the most intelligent people 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.760 that I know, won't say this because he feels it 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.280 not necessary, but I will. That does not mean that 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.240 some evil people won't exist, that some criminals won't exist, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.359 But there are crimes that happen as a result of circumstance, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.880 uncontrollable circumstance. I am starving, I have nothing and need 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.880 to do my children, and those people over there have 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.320 a lot I need to go get. 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.680 Some of that. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.960 That does not make it right. Right, And we're talking 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.480 about correlation and causality in the black on black thing 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.560 and the things that we try to tie to the 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.600 reasons why things happen. The real reasons why in a 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.560 lot of cases are reasons that people don't want to 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.360 admit because then they have to point the blame at 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.600 themselves for not just creating, but continuing to perpetuate and 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:04.080 benefit the same circumstances and benefit from. Right, So, for 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.640 what we are. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:14.280 Trying to address, it's necessary to frame this the right way. Now. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.640 Q and I are members of the hip hop culture. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.160 We're both DJs, we both come from hip hop radio. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.440 This is the lifestyle we live, the way that we dress, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:27.960 the way that we talk, the way that we move, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:34.000 and so something like this is going to feel heavy 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.800 in our world. Perhaps it feels heavy in your world 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:43.440 as well. Nipsey Hustle in particular, because I'm from California 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.480 and I know, I'm gonna just say it, man, I 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.960 grew up. It was gang bangers everywhere. That's what it is. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.760 You know, their strength, there's protection, there's you know what 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.080 I'm saying. And then an environment where there's not a 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.000 lot and people are fighting over scraps, and you introduce 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.040 use a way that people can make money and you know, 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.800 provide for themselves. And this is the CIA that introduced 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:14.480 a crack into the southern California in the black neighborhoods. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.040 Into black neighborhoods all over the country. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.240 By the way, well, ultimately, yes, but it started in 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:25.680 that part of the country. And you know, now there's 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.880 more to fight over, and the people that you're fighting 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.880 to get stuff from they look like you, they move 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.240 like you, they walk like you. And then so it's 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.480 very easy to hate yourself because you're looking for yourself 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.760 to find the people that are from And then you know, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.920 even when there's less money involved, now that you've been 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.520 conditioned to hate these people because they've done something new. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.680 They've robbed you, they've hurt your friend, they've killed your friend, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.880 your family, your cousin died, this sort of thing. Now 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.400 you're locked in perpetual warfare in an environment that there's 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.480 not a lot to go around. There's not a lot 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:06.000 of mobility, of course, and it's like a trap. It's 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.960 so funny because that word trap has never been too 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:16.119 far removed from hip hop. And excuse me. This is 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.280 why when you look at someone when you when you're 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.240 like me and you look at someone like Nipsey Hustle, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.800 where it's like I can see you, I can see 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.200 myself very fortunate in that I was able to move 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.520 out of there when I was young enough to not 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:34.160 have to play that game. I had big brothers Raka 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.600 Sean Buddy Raka from Dilated people, that's my brother, big 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.840 brothers that you know, you know, made sure that I 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:49.560 didn't have to, you know, swim in that stream. And 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.600 then of course I moved to Arizona and was able 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.560 to you know, you know, the story goes how it 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.399 went here. I am talking to you now, but I 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:04.080 know Nipsey. I know that person to see that he 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:08.399 made it and he was giving back, and he knew 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.679 what he was into. He knew what was happening. He 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.960 could see it, and he was like, I'm gonna fix this. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.520 This is wrong. And if no one else is coming here, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.360 if this environment has been forgotten, there's people just down 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.439 the street in Beverly Hills, there's people over there in 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.760 Mulholland drive these mansion millionaires, people driving ferraris everywhere, and 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:30.920 we're killing each other over pennies, over nothing. We're locked 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.320 in perpetual warfare, you know. And this is why when 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.000 people look at Chicago like it's just a black issue. No, 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.439 there's there's social con and the reason why, oh god, sorry, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:42.800 my brain is all over the place. But the reason 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:49.560 why so many people feel like blaming Chicago is a 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.600 lightning rod too. You know, people like black people got 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.000 problems in Chicago. Fix those problems before you start trying 0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.239 to come at the police. Well, listen, if it is 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.119 easy to fix these sorts of problems, if it was 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.240 something that you could do in a timely manner, then 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.720 I don't think we would have as many issues, are 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.840 as much in the way of pushback. But what we 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.679 do need to do is change the framework of the 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.360 society and then give it time to implement these These 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.080 these conditions took a long time to come about, take 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.040 a long time to dissipate. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:27.600 But ramsay is that's the problem. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.480 No one will give it time, nobody will give it 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.879 a shot. Too many people benefit from the system the 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.280 way that it's currently set up for there to be 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.400 large scale reform and change. Right that those who are 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.200 in power. 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.680 Benefit the most, So they put things in place to 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.560 keep themselves in power and keep those who have not 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.520 under their thumbs. That system has been in place forever. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.960 They have no actual agenda or desire to change it. 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.600 And what we've started to notice when it comes to 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.600 our power politicians is it does not matter which side 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.480 of the aisle they sit on. They benefit from it. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.439 That's the part that's so hurtful. And you know it 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.919 is no actual push from anybody in that space to 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.280 change it because they all benefit from it. 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:22.959 I'm going to say this for those people that supported 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.960 this show from the first episode. I know you still listen, 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.600 and I know how you feel, and I'm thinking of 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.240 you in this moment when I say this next thing. Okay, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:38.359 but I have to say it because it's true. The 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.960 same way I'm looking at this instance with p and 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.600 b Rock losing his life, and I have to look 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:52.119 at that as a societal issue that manifests itself in 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:56.040 that way. But also I will not divorce from it. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:22:00.439 The fact that there is an individual who lost the 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.080 line by far and away across the line. He took 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:09.119 a life or some stuff, right, that is a violation. 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.720 I have to say it. I condemn it, of course, 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.280 and I'm not just going to blame society. That person 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.160 is very wrong, more wrong than anyone. That's the ultimate crime. 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.600 He can't come back, can't raise his daughters, it's end 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:26.639 of him, right. I also have to say that I 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:32.600 recognize on this show that we deal with systems, and 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:37.840 more often than not we have to talk about policing 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:45.800 in this country. But police get to be individuals too 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.159 who are also a part of a system. And so 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.040 I'm going to say this because it is fair for 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:53.399 me to be able to say this. And I'm so 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.280 sorry if you are upset with me, because I know 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.200 a lot of people are very upset with police, all 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:58.919 of police, and they just want to you know, that 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:00.359 sort of thing. But I'm going to say say this. 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:08.760 Officer Kevin Gilliland, I thank you for being a kind man. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:14.680 He knows what I'm talking about. Officer Daniel, I thank 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:22.200 you for being a kind man. Officer Suzanne, I thank 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.159 you for being a kind woman. I thank you for 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.359 talking to me knowing who I am and the positions 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.800 that I hold. I thank you for growing me up. 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.840 I thank you for allowing me to grow you up too, 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.720 and for understanding and sharing my pain and the pain 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.359 of my people with you. And just like I have 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.840 these conversations, I hope that you have these conversations with 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:53.000 your audience, with your fellow officers and so forth, in 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.440 this moment, I will send you my love and hope 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:00.879 that we will continue to build something profound and we 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:07.040 all will be better for these conversations. And let the 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:11.159 back last come and I had to say it, so 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:18.640 moving on, It's time for the Way Black History Facts. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.040 The Way Black History Fact this week is I'm brought 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:28.479 to you by Hip Hop Looking Magazine and we are 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:36.440 going to read from indiawire dot com. Why has Hollywood 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:41.160 still not given pioneering Black filmmaker Oscar Michelle is due? 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.240 All right, let's read Michelle was one of the great 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.840 trailblazers in film history, but the industry has yet to 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.320 fully appreciate his legacy. Time to change that. Black filmmakers 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:55.080 have struggled the representation as long as the movies have existed. 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.240 As Hollywood took shape in the early half of the 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:01.119 twentieth century, black directors were already looking for ways to 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.800 push back on prevailing stereotypes. From the uplift films of 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.600 the nineteen tens produced by initiatives at the Tuskegee and 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:13.040 Hampton Institutes, to the naturalistic shorts made by William Hoster 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.400 in Chicago and the work of the London Motion Picture Company, 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.840 the first black owned film production enterprise in the United States. 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.800 There was no shortage of examples. The most prolific and 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.639 tireless voice during this period was Oscar Michelle, who blazed 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.840 trails in Black American cinema, beginning with his nineteen nineteen 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.480 feature debut The Homesteader, the first feature film written and 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.320 directed by an African American. It's been ninety years since 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.160 he became the first black filmmaker to produce a sound 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:46.080