WEBVTT - The Things That Helped People In Western North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about things falling apart and how people work to put

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<v Speaker 2>them back together again, because it's the Humpty Dumpty of podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>except Humpty Dumpty couldn't be put back together in the

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<v Speaker 2>end because there was a bunch of state actors who

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<v Speaker 2>were trying and really that's not how you usually get

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<v Speaker 2>things done. I'm your guest host today, Martyr Kiljoy, and

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<v Speaker 2>with me as my regular host today is James Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>James Hi, Margaret, thank you for having me on a

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<v Speaker 3>podcast that I worke for.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to have you on your podcast. So this

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<v Speaker 2>episode is about what I learned about prepping by going

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<v Speaker 2>down to western North Carolina in the immediate wake of

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<v Speaker 2>the flooding caused by two storms, one of which was

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<v Speaker 2>Hurricane Helene. And there's a few things I like an

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<v Speaker 2>awful lot. One of them is prepping. Another one of

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<v Speaker 2>them is Asheville, North Carolina, where I lived longer than

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<v Speaker 2>I have lived anywhere else in my adult life, which

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<v Speaker 2>isn't actually saying that much because I lived there for

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<v Speaker 2>about six.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, but it's a decent amount of time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>A place. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Before that, I was fully vagabondie. This is a story

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<v Speaker 2>about prepping in Nashville, North Carolina, and so I thought

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<v Speaker 2>i'd bring on another it could happen here prepper James.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's me someone who has been to Ashville, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>But oh yeah, still lives in San Diego.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice, nice pace to go outside normally.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but have you ever heard that song though, like

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<v Speaker 2>I've been everywhere man song, I've been everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm allowed to sing things on this podcast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've started liking that song. Is like, yeah, I've been everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>That man starts listening where he's been, and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been. I ain't been shit. I have never

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<v Speaker 2>been anywhere in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I've not made it. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It is one of the nice things about my job

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<v Speaker 4>that people I get to go places and meet people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as I assume listeners are aware, about two weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Hurricane Helene dumped an enormous quantity of water onto the

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<v Speaker 2>mountains of western North Carolina, which would have been bad

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what, but another unnamed storm had already been

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<v Speaker 2>dropping unconscious able unconscious not good amounts of water on

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<v Speaker 2>the area for a day or so. The two storms

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<v Speaker 2>together caused the worst natural disaster and recorded history for

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<v Speaker 2>the region. The only thing that came close was the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixteen flood, which was again like a regular storm,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I think a coastal tropical storm hitting at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. So the way to have everything fail

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<v Speaker 2>is to have two storms at once. In case anyone's

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<v Speaker 2>curious how to have bad things happen, doe two storms. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I drove down in a vanful of supplies because my

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<v Speaker 2>friends were the err and they needed the supplies more

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<v Speaker 2>than my basement did, and because I had enough cash

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<v Speaker 2>on hand to hit up a bunch of stores to

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<v Speaker 2>get more stuff to bring to them too. I also

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<v Speaker 2>drove down there as a journalist, figuring i'd talk to

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<v Speaker 2>people about mutual aid and about preparedness. This week on

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<v Speaker 2>my own podcast, Cool People Did Cool Stuff, I talk

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<v Speaker 2>about my experiences there, what I saw, with an emphasis

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<v Speaker 2>on the mutual aid side, on the enormous amount of

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<v Speaker 2>grassroots informal disaster response. But this is it could happen here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to talk about preparedness. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what worked and what didn't, what lessons we

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<v Speaker 2>can draw anywhere we are listening to this from what

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<v Speaker 2>people experienced there in Ashville, North Carolina, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>what lessons I was able to pick up on. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about like stuff and specific things

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<v Speaker 2>in a second GAD. But first, when I talk about preparedness,

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<v Speaker 2>which I do a lot, I talk about how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>interested in both the individual and community as two different

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<v Speaker 2>types of preparedness. And I had some hypotheses that these

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<v Speaker 2>were deeply related and reliant on each other in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>and that you do one better by doing the other better.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that I've seen those hypotheses tested, I was right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's my answer. It's in fact to approve in hypotheses. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I don't want to run more tests,

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<v Speaker 2>but we probably will. Yeah, because we ain't doing shit

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<v Speaker 2>to stop being always no no, We're mostly doing things

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<v Speaker 2>to make it worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Hm hm cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, we need both individual and community preparedness, and we

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<v Speaker 2>should stop seeing them as opposing forces. There might be

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<v Speaker 2>no single false dichotomy that has more wrecked our imaginations

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<v Speaker 2>than the idea that the individual and the community are

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<v Speaker 2>two opposing forces that they must be balanced against one

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<v Speaker 2>another instead of interwoven, Instead of allowing what's best about

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<v Speaker 2>both things to reinforce the other. I would argue the

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<v Speaker 2>twentieth century did us dirty? The Cold War?

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<v Speaker 3>Did us dirty? In the US?

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up presented with the idea that the USSR

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<v Speaker 2>represented community in that side, and that meant being a

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<v Speaker 2>cog in the machine, devoid of individuality in thrall to

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<v Speaker 2>an authoritarian state. If I cared about the individual and

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<v Speaker 2>individual freedom and liberty, I had to accept capitalism and

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<v Speaker 2>competition and to see myself in a war against everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be a cargon machine, and I

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<v Speaker 2>also don't want to be in a war against everyone else.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is the This is the sort of false

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<v Speaker 4>dichoto media were presented with. Right. It's like, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 4>an anecdote here. When I was writing my dissertation, I

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<v Speaker 4>would describe my politics as left libertarian, and I would

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<v Speaker 4>describe the politics of the many different types of anarchists

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<v Speaker 4>and anarcosyndicalis in Spain similarly, because it accurately describes their perspective. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was forbidden from doing so, the probably fair

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<v Speaker 4>enough objection that Americans could not comprehend the idea of

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<v Speaker 4>libertarianism without individualism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is annoying because, oh is it Rothbard? Someone

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<v Speaker 2>consciously stole that word from us. You used to not

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<v Speaker 2>have to say left libertarian because if you said libertarian,

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<v Speaker 2>you meant left libertarian.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this was the pre dates Rothbard. It is something

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<v Speaker 4>I've written about on my Patreon. But yeah, libertarian began

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<v Speaker 4>to be used by French anarchists to avoid censorship and

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<v Speaker 4>persecution of anarchists for being anarchists. Yeah, and then it

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<v Speaker 4>came to America, where, like many things in America, it

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<v Speaker 4>was stolen from its original original creators and custodians and

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<v Speaker 4>fucking ruined by chuds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is a shame.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, there is in fact an option where you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to pick one or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What is good for me as an individual is to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to express the full range of my possibilities, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm more able to do that in a supportive

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<v Speaker 2>community than like alone in the woods somewhere, cut off

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<v Speaker 2>from everyone else, chasing rabbits with a hatchet and dying

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<v Speaker 2>of easily preventable infections, like it's the.

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<v Speaker 3>American dream, Margaret, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>I used to joke that I was going to start

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<v Speaker 2>a YouTube channel called how to Survive Alone in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods of the hatchet eating squirrels that you kill with

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<v Speaker 2>the aforementioned hatchet.

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<v Speaker 3>But unfortunately you died of tetanus before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. The existence of society makes me more free.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me more capable of doing what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do. I really like I don't remember which old

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<v Speaker 2>theorists came up with it, but I really like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of understanding freedom as a relationship between people, not

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<v Speaker 2>a like static state. It is something that we offer

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<v Speaker 2>each other and that we work to maximize with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other side of things, what's good for communities

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<v Speaker 2>is not to be rigidly top down controlled, but instead

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<v Speaker 2>to allow people free expression, develop new ideas, try new things,

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<v Speaker 2>to have communities grow organically. We are not actually factory cogs.

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<v Speaker 2>We do better as a garden. And that's been my

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<v Speaker 2>working theory. With preparedness, it's been similar. On one side,

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<v Speaker 2>are these deals, these goods and services, the ads that

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<v Speaker 2>interrupt things?

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<v Speaker 3>Magnificent?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you. I live to do this. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the ads, and we're back on one side. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>preppers as being kind of a primarily an individualistic bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of folks obsessed with what I've called the bunker mentality,

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<v Speaker 2>the hole up and guns and shoot anyone who comes

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<v Speaker 2>to close mentality that I've got mind fuck you mentality

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever seen on like older prepper Reddit and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, where people like kind of get sad when

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<v Speaker 2>they realize they're all planning to shoot each other, all

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<v Speaker 2>their friends after the apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah that like, anyone who's able to has more than

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<v Speaker 4>two weeks of food stored, it's inherently going to kill

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<v Speaker 4>anyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's more than two. Yeah. It's great when they

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<v Speaker 3>all come around to educasionally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're like, wait, but I like this community

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<v Speaker 2>I've built.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're also the only friends because they've alienated everyone

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<v Speaker 4>else with their weird obsessions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fall out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a good mentality to have. I would

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<v Speaker 2>argue it's behind a lot of what's happening on the

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<v Speaker 2>border right now. Actually, I think that the Right waying

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<v Speaker 2>actually does believe in climate change and is not willing

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<v Speaker 2>to just say it publicly because it doesn't play to

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<v Speaker 2>their base. But they they're like, we've got ours, fuck you,

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<v Speaker 2>and want to close down the borders as best as

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<v Speaker 2>they can in the global North.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we'll move the borders as far from your

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<v Speaker 4>eyesight as possible. That's what I saw in Panama. I was, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>listeners will know I was in the daddy and gap.

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<v Speaker 4>But like Panama without funding you and me, Margaret Home,

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<v Speaker 4>we pay our taxes, We pay for families to be

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<v Speaker 4>split out. Hell yeah, deportations to happen, fences to be

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<v Speaker 4>built in Panama because that makes it further from our

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<v Speaker 4>site and from our mind. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what liberty means. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Liberty is the ability to interfere in other countries' families.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, domestic politics in other countries by fire hose of money.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's funny because it's the same like justification.

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<v Speaker 2>Every now and then you meet the people who genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>think Russia is like allowed to invade Ukraine because border

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<v Speaker 2>security because Ukraine's too close to it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, amazing, what it? Yeah, Ukraine bad, therefore fuck it?

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<v Speaker 3>Why not?

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's yeah, yeah, like the Monroe doctrine, but for Russia,

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<v Speaker 4>like this is my hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't fuck with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they burn down your neighbor's house because you're just like, Nah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're living too close to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't like it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, senior yard sign. They've got one of those in

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<v Speaker 4>this house signs. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah, which they've

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<v Speaker 4>all taken down now because it's no human beings legal

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<v Speaker 4>and they.

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<v Speaker 3>No longer believe that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would argue this is a fundamentally right wing

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<v Speaker 2>individualistic mentality, whether it's coming from ostensibly leftis tankies or

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<v Speaker 2>ostensibly center left Democrats, or they admit their right wing

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<v Speaker 2>individualistic preppers. Yeah, And this was dominant in prepping circles

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<v Speaker 2>before Round twenty twenty, when an awful lot more people

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<v Speaker 2>with different ideas came into the space. But the older

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<v Speaker 2>school preppers focused on individual preparedness or family level household

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<v Speaker 2>level preparedness, and they have an awful lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>good ideas around some of these things, around storing food

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<v Speaker 2>and water, around maintaining communications, around all sorts of things

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<v Speaker 2>to help the individual or family during crisis to be prepared.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other end of things, there are mutual aid

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<v Speaker 2>groups and other community organizations that do community preparedness. They

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<v Speaker 2>build organizational communication and logistical networks, and they're fantastic and

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<v Speaker 2>their overall what's been left out of preparedness conversations. But

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<v Speaker 2>until more recently, I haven't seen as many of those places.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who are doing those things also concern themselves

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<v Speaker 2>with individual preparedness, you know. Yeah, I've been operating under

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<v Speaker 2>the assumption for years that the two can work really

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<v Speaker 2>well in tandem with each other. If you are self sufficient,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a better place to help others. That was

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<v Speaker 2>my hypothesis. This is really just the Margaret was Right

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<v Speaker 2>episode of it could happen the victory lap Yeah, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a victory wrap around bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's people who did do these things getting to

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<v Speaker 2>have not thrived but did not died. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to say this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a tricky subject getting credit for being right and

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<v Speaker 4>putting in the work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a lot of people were and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people had done that, and it showed really well

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<v Speaker 2>in the disaster response in Ashville, because when I went

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<v Speaker 2>down to Ashville, one of the things that I asked

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<v Speaker 2>most of the people I talked to is what they prepared,

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<v Speaker 2>what they wish they'd prepared, and what lessons they were taking.

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<v Speaker 3>Away from all of this about preparedness.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of my friends is old Punk, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the first old he's like my age whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be a few years older than me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Margaret crushed by moment of reflection live

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<v Speaker 3>on Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm jealous because I don't have enough gray hair.

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<v Speaker 3>They keep falling out of my head.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of my friends who does have very nice

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<v Speaker 2>gray hair, Old Punk, is one of the first people

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<v Speaker 2>who was out on the street cooking food to give away.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that he was able to do that

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<v Speaker 2>because he knew he was fine by and large during

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<v Speaker 2>this particular crisis. Every crisis is going to be real

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<v Speaker 2>different if your house wasn't in the actual floodplain, and

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<v Speaker 2>since it was in the mountains, that was not most houses.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead it was like most roads and some houses. You know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the big problems you were dealing with was lack of food,

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<v Speaker 2>lack of water, lack of cell service. And he had

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of water and food stored. And at one point

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<v Speaker 2>someone had even kind of come up to him been like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you no, You're fine, aren't you?

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<v Speaker 3>And he was like, yeah, no, I'm fine. So just

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<v Speaker 3>being like getting off prepared vibes, I guess yeah. No.

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<v Speaker 3>I was real proud.

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<v Speaker 2>Like once I was doing this community defense thing and

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<v Speaker 2>we were like, oh, we need a flashlight. Does anyone

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<v Speaker 2>hey Margaret, you have a flashlight, right, And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with any.

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<v Speaker 4>Want Yeah, being the flashlight person, Yeah, it's a huge

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<v Speaker 4>win in the moment you get to deploy that flashlight

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<v Speaker 4>you've been toting around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, And that's actually part of my like core argument

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<v Speaker 2>that I make in the other podcasts I recorded today

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna come out some sign around now, is that

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<v Speaker 2>like people want to help people. Oh yeah, like the

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<v Speaker 2>average pickup truck guy. We even kind of see. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a pickup truck girl, but like we see the

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<v Speaker 2>average pickup truck guy is the like, ah, good out

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<v Speaker 2>of my way, limberal, guns, dogs, whatever, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I like pickup trucks and guns and dogs and

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<v Speaker 3>as I don't really like.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the main things you want to make

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<v Speaker 2>a man with a pickup truck happy. Get your car

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in a ditch.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>There are whole Facebook groups where people love to pull

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<v Speaker 4>other people out of stupid situations they've got themselves into

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<v Speaker 4>off road.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is fun for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like because then the fact that you've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>this thing had a purpose. I carry a flashlight and

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<v Speaker 2>a knife every single moment in my life, So when

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<v Speaker 2>someone needs a flashlight or a knife, I'm like, oh, yeah,

0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I am fucking the the reincarnation of the Goddess.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, no one is better than me. Yeah, you're the

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<v Speaker 3>all powerful light carrier.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, exactly when all other lights go out for me,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the moment I get to deploy. Like obviously this

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<v Speaker 4>has been an audio podcast, but I have a leavenman

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<v Speaker 4>that I like to carry around. Yeah, like where someone

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<v Speaker 4>needs pliers or wire cutting, you have that capability.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're just like Chad. You're a superhero. You're a mutant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Like yeah, I say, yeah, this friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine had plenty of water and food stored, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can usually go a couple of days without communication if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have any immediate crisis, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that what most people did or needed

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<v Speaker 2>to do was first they needed to make sure to

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<v Speaker 2>meet their own needs, you know, like the whole affix

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<v Speaker 2>your own oxygen mask before helping your seat mate. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was the people who were the most resilient, the

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<v Speaker 2>most prepared, who were out driving around in their trucks

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, cars whatever, giving away food, or were

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<v Speaker 2>working to coordinate meetings most immediately. And the other part

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<v Speaker 2>of it was that people who had community preparedness skills

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<v Speaker 2>were also among the first people getting stuff done on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground because mutual aid it's organic, and it's chaotic

0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's spontaneous, right, but it is organized. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a developed skill about how to organically organize. The more

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<v Speaker 2>people who are experienced with chaotic, decentralized organizing, the better

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<v Speaker 2>a community was able to weather the immediate aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>the storm because people knew how to set up distribution

0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.960
<v Speaker 2>hubs and connect people and so basically like a solid

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<v Speaker 2>church or an anarchist group, and your rural town was

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<v Speaker 2>in a much better spot. Yeah, that makes sense, And

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of the main places in the country

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<v Speaker 2>where you're going to find entire anarchist groups in random

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<v Speaker 2>rural small towns. Having been one of those people in

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<v Speaker 2>one of those small towns, I keep saying I lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Ashville, I lived in Sandy Mush. Where Sandy Mush is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't bother saying it because no one knows where

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<v Speaker 2>it is. No hell of a name though I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost British and its weirdness.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like too.

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<v Speaker 2>Fem for baseball caps back then, and all my landmates

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<v Speaker 2>were the camera baseball caps from the local store that

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<v Speaker 2>says Sandy.

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<v Speaker 3>Mush, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really sad that I didn't get one, especially

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<v Speaker 2>now because now I have one and I'm wearing it

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<v Speaker 2>out that has the name of the town I live in.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't wear it anywhere because it doses me.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah yeah, see that's the fool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you had a Sandy Mush one, you'd be Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>someone send Margaret at baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>Cap yeah from Sandy Mush, Yeah with Camma.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I probably won't wear it otherwise I'll be real

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<v Speaker 2>because I still got to be fem and somehow that

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<v Speaker 2>is how things work in my subculture. So you need

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<v Speaker 2>individual preparedness so that you're free enough to help people,

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<v Speaker 2>and you need community preparedness so you know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you also have all of these people with

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<v Speaker 2>really specialized skills and tools, and these are the kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of things that I can't say that every prepper needs

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<v Speaker 2>to go out and do. But like ATVs have been

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<v Speaker 2>crucial to disaster relief efforts, that doesn't mean that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>should run out and buy an ATV to keep around

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of flooding. This note for me because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't quite live on enough land to justify an

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<v Speaker 2>ATV and I really want one. But yeah, it's get

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<v Speaker 2>one of those little ones. Yeah, there's little children once.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm just a drive around a circle. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like mostly live in the woods, and so there's like

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<v Speaker 2>just not a lot of ATVs. Are great when you

0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.000
<v Speaker 2>got like twelve acres with horses on them, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you're going out. You can get a sheep dog

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<v Speaker 4>on the back. Very practical for that kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>rifle case, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That said A dirt bike friend of mine, who was

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<v Speaker 2>a quite prepared person, immediately went out and spent days

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<v Speaker 2>going into hard to reach areas to connect with people

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<v Speaker 2>and bring them supplies. Yeah, so maybe I can just.

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<v Speaker 3>Fight a dirt bike.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, dirt bike, said, E bike, E dirt bike.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you can run off solar power, don't need gas,

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<v Speaker 4>store it sideways.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're gonna talk about electronics versus gas later in

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<v Speaker 2>the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a whole part got it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yea?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, okay, good.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, what we really need for the apocalypse is

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<v Speaker 2>whatever comes next in the ads. That is what will

0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.040
<v Speaker 2>save you in the apocalypse. If it's a podcast, yeap

0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.120
<v Speaker 2>that is the podcast that will give you the secret

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<v Speaker 2>to surviving the apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 5>Yea.

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<v Speaker 4>Hopefully it's the Reagan gold coins, which will become the

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<v Speaker 4>currency as soon as the state collapses.

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I bet it's gambling and if you go gamble, you're

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<v Speaker 2>guaranteed to win.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I think we legally cannot say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well then, yeah, yeah, I wonder if we can

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<v Speaker 2>get away with saying don't gamble it's a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, I think we actually can't say that. Okay, great,

0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.439
<v Speaker 4>don't gamble it's a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Er Back, the overall lesson was that some stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>and was useful for everyone to have. We're going to

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.919
<v Speaker 2>talk about some of that stuff. Well, other certain specialized

0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.119
<v Speaker 2>tools and skill sets only made sense for some people

0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.680
<v Speaker 2>to have. Not everyone needs to know how to repair

0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a chainsaw or even own a chainsaw, but it sure

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 2>proved to be a handy skill in this particular crisis

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 2>is easily an image of the climate crisis future. I

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 2>think you and Robert got into that in the episode

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you did about this.

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we spoke a little bit about how like this

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 4>is a vision it was coming for a lot of us.

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm basically doing a like me too. I couldn't

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.639
<v Speaker 2>be on the call because I was busy. That's what

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 2>this episode is. No, we, Robert and I have not

0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 2>been there. My house flooded when I was younger, but yeah,

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.359
<v Speaker 2>we were not there this time. Asheville is not okay.

0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.480
<v Speaker 2>It is a somewhat remote part of the country in

0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.440
<v Speaker 2>terms of its raw geography. Yeah, you're not getting into

0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that city without taking steep, curving freeways or flying into

0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>a regional airport. But culturally, and because of the level

0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.160
<v Speaker 2>of infrastructure the United States provides, it is not an

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.679
<v Speaker 2>isolated city. It is a very much a modern and

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.880
<v Speaker 2>hip city with about I think one hundred thousand people

0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:47.879
<v Speaker 2>had I think about eighty thousand when I left a

0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, but it's been growing, Yeah, partly

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>because lots of Silicon Valley folks moved there to work remote,

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>much to the sorrow of locals like everywhere else as

0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 2>people moved, I know, And then I'm also like, I

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 2>work remote and lived. I actually can't tell the stones here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have lived here since I didn't work or remote.

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fair enough. I'll take my stern throwing opportunity.

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Asheville is a very climate stable area. All of Appalachia is,

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and it's nowhere near the coast. There's not a lot

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 2>of earthquakes. There are far fewer forest fires than there

0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>are out west. There were some forest fires that were

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:23.640
<v Speaker 2>there one of the years that I lived there, but

0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, they didn't. It didn't impact my life the

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:30.080
<v Speaker 2>way it impacts my friends' lives that live out west. Yeah,

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 2>there are industrial accidents and there's occasional flooding, but no

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.760
<v Speaker 2>one had any reason to expect anything like this, except

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.960
<v Speaker 2>that all of us have every reason to expect something

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 2>like this. Areas hit more regularly by climate disasters have

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.560
<v Speaker 2>protocols in place for those sorts of things. People in

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 2>California pay attention to the fires during that fire season.

0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.439
<v Speaker 2>People on the Gulf Coast track the hurricanes. And not

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:59.320
<v Speaker 2>that these disasters aren't disastrous, but they're expected. They're part

0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.600
<v Speaker 2>of living where you live Ashville. What happened there could

0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>be any of us at any time, So what was

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.399
<v Speaker 2>useful for them for prepping seems like it might be

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 2>really useful for all of us. And most of that,

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 2>most of what was useful is the basics. People I

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.960
<v Speaker 2>talked to were either real happy that they stored water

0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 2>or real sad that they hadn't stored water. With the

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.439
<v Speaker 2>storm coming, people filled up their bath tubs. One friend

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<v Speaker 2>cut the down spouts on his house to direct them

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<v Speaker 2>into trash cans, and now a week later, they still

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<v Speaker 2>have water.

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<v Speaker 3>To flush the toilet. Yeah.

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.359
<v Speaker 2>And you know, if you're like super ahead of it,

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.440
<v Speaker 2>you've got your little rain collectors all the time, right,

0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, worst case scenario caught your down spout and

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 2>throw a trash can there, yep, or anything else that's

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 2>food safe. Yeah, well in this case is mostly water flushing.

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's funny just as you mentioned this, Like I

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 4>was in the village I stayed in last week, didn't

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.159
<v Speaker 4>have rang water electricity, and that's exactly what they did.

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.119
<v Speaker 4>They had a person I stayed I've had like a

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<v Speaker 4>normal toilet, but they don't have plumber in water, so

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.360
<v Speaker 4>they just collect rainwater and use that every time they

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 4>want to flush it.

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every time I've lived off grid and don't have a

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.920
<v Speaker 2>busy access running water instead of bucket flushing, I'm shit

0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.360
<v Speaker 2>in a bucket with sawdust.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, they I think, like there's a hole underneath.

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm interesting, but you have to flush it to get

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 4>it in. I think this was like a status upgrade

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 4>to have the physical toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that actually makes a lot of sense.

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the first water distribution centers that came online

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.199
<v Speaker 2>after the storm in Ashville didn't have water containers, and

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.679
<v Speaker 2>this is actually still the case as of recording, so

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 2>people had to bring their own. One friend only had

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>those big clear water drugs, the kind that you put

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.199
<v Speaker 2>into like a water cooler and like get refilled at

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the grocery store, you know. Yeah, and these don't have

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 2>good caps and you can't really bicycle with them while

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 2>they're full.

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 4>I've bicycled with one when it was full. But yeah, okay,

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 4>it's not a fun, not a fun. This is where

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 4>you need a long tail cargo bike, the ultimate prep

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<v Speaker 4>a vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, I would argue, Jerry cans, that's my pitch

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>instead of yeah, Yeah, you can also get Jerry Kant's

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 2>or like the like big opaque water jugs for storing water.

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, or even bags, what are bags the like

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.680
<v Speaker 2>MSR drone bags. Okay, if you says before, there's a

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty rarebust, I've only seen little ones that it makes

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 2>sense of those big ones too. Yeah, big ones expedition stuff.

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I would argue that if you're thinking about getting the stuff,

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 2>opaque water containers with good lids are more useful than

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the blue clear ones. But if you have access to

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the blue clear ones and that's what you got, go

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 2>get them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yea.

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 2>And many people lacked any containers at all, so the

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 2>water distribution site.

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<v Speaker 3>Was not as directly useful as it could have otherwise been.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 3>That's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>One friend during the storm pulled out all the recycling

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 2>and filled every jug with water and put it in

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>the fridge, which did two things. One it gave you

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 2>slightly orange tasting water to drink for a while, and

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.679
<v Speaker 2>two it added thermal mass to keep the fridge cool longer.

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:02.640
<v Speaker 2>And of course, you know story, more water always good.

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>For the most part, most water people at access to

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 2>had a boil advisory on it before it went out completely.

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're a water filter expert. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you about this.

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 4>I was about to fucking dive into that shit. I

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 4>so I was ready to go. Okay, hold on, all right.

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, floodwater itself is generally an awe, or at least

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>it is in this case too toxic to use a

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 2>simple filter or boil at home. Things like pesticides are

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 2>incredibly hard to get out of water. Yeah, and lightweight

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.159
<v Speaker 2>backpacking type filters, which overall are what I recommend for

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 2>most things like sawyers and life straws. They don't really

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>cut it, as from what I understand. From what I understand,

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 2>the two methods that can work are the like fairly

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 2>slow and like intense charcoal filters, activated charcoal filters, and

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 2>then in home style reverse osmosis filters, which normally I

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 2>don't like, but for this it seems like they might.

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you have enough power for an hour filter. Yeah,

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:01.639
<v Speaker 3>it's a nice touch. Also, if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Get one, then your home appliance did if you'd have

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.119
<v Speaker 4>in a hard water area, which is a lot of

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 4>the West, won't get fucked up by the classification so much.

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh that makes sense. I use a water softener AM

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I well, similar approach, but I like reverse as mosoa

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.199
<v Speaker 2>seems like it has some advantages. Maybe I never liked

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 2>reverse as mosos because when I first was looking into it,

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I lived off grid and reverse osmosis creates a lot

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>of wastewater. Yeah, and I was just like, all of

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>this water was hard to come by.

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Fuck that.

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 4>There are some filters that have an activated charkhole element

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 4>that specifically the pesticide runoff and like industrial guitaminates are

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 4>something I have been really worried about in a couple

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 4>of places I've been for work. You know. Actually I

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 4>was somewhat concerned about that in a recent trip, the

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 4>one in the one in Panama. But it's not so

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 4>much pesticides. There's human waste and decaying human remains, which

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 4>is pretty rough. But in the end my that was

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 4>a big concern for we went there. The MSI Guardian

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 4>I think has an activated charkhole, and so does the

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 4>camelback in line filter.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh interest kind of a small one.

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that And what's really cool about that is a

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 4>lot of them you can't replace because the activated charcoal

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 4>is you can't backflush it in the same way that

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 4>you can backflush a filter right, Camelback will sell you

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 4>just the actual activated charcole element you can then replace.

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I've got a few of them in a cupboard behind.

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:25.400
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, but that would be what to look for

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 4>if you're but yeah, don't be just boiling it or

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 4>just filtering it. And those are for like something like

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 4>a soawyer. They're great for rainwater, but if you're filtering

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 4>water you weren't a fast flowing clear not a turbid

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 4>or a stagnant water source or an industrially bluted water source.

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 4>A fast flowing clear mountain stream great, but like turbid,

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 4>stagnant water with industrial pollutants not so good.

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. And so if you're listening to as

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>an ashwell or elsewhere, I'm like, I'm trying to think

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 2>of what I'm like. I'll probably I have some activated

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>charcoal stuff, but I don't like it as much because

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't like I don't like disposable things.

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, but I yeah, thinks that you can

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 3>reuse are always better.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but for certain threat models, especially if you don't

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>have the power for reversus messus.

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's not that expensive. Yeah.

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 4>The MSR ones actually the that's what the US military

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 4>issues to some of it's like, I guess more special people.

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes they pop up on the surplus market pretty cheap okay,

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 4>and they have a bomber warranty. You can trash it

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 4>and they'll replace it.

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh hell yeah, I like that.

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>A lot of outdoors gear is like pretty like they'll

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>stand by their product.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 4>I would keep wanting trying to pitch his story. Itgaly,

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, Like I have an MSR quilt. This is

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 4>not like an MSR sponsored episode, but I've used that

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 4>shit on. It's a very small, very light but like

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 4>an ultralight quill. I've used I think literally on almost

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 4>every continent in the world. Well, and just through like

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 4>it's down and through like my body's greasiness, my inherent

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 4>oiliness gradually down, even if you take really good care of.

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 3>It, right, the downs, Yeah, packed in in there. Yeah.

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 4>I had it for probably six years. I was like,

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 4>fuck it, this isn't working anymore. Let me see if

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 4>they'll do me a discount of a new one, put

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 4>in a warranty claim, send it back to them. Okay,

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 4>here's a new one, Just just send me one.

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>That's cool. Yeah, yeah, no, I like that more outdoor stuff.

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I like people who stand by the shit they do.

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they also fixed stuff, which is cool, Like

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 4>I like that, and they will ship you the part

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.479
<v Speaker 4>to fix it well, which is I feel less wasteful

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 4>when that happens.

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>So with food, this one's real simple. People were either

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>glad they stockpiled food or they were sad that they

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>had in stockpiled food.

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's an easy one.

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 2>One friend immediately took about half a stash of freeze

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>dried foods to distribute out to friends and strangers.

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Most people I talked to did not have any real

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>amount of backup power available to them. On any given street,

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I would pass only a few houses with generators running,

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.719
<v Speaker 2>which also, of course, takes gas or propane. Propane has

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>the advantage of storing and indefinitely, it has the disadvantage

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 2>of being substantially more expensive per like kill a lot

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 2>hour or whatever of power.

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 4>M h yeah, probably more bulky too to store, right,

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 4>like per energy unit totally.

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>When I was off grid, I used a dual fuel

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>gener I actually I took it down and I no

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>longer have the generator and gave it to some folks.

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 2>But I had a gas propane generator, and I ran

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.959
<v Speaker 2>it off of propane because it also is like cleaner

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>on the engines. You have to do less maintenance. Yeah,

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>but you know, if I needed it all the time,

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 2>it was a backup to my solar. If I had

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 2>to run it all the time, I would have used

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 2>gas because it Yeah. Anyway, I talked with one homeowner

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>with solar on his roof about how he hadn't sprung

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>for the house battery because after all, power in the

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>area never really went out.

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 3>For more than a day at a time, right.

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I personally delivered two solar generators, which just means

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>like big ol' lithium batteries with inputs and outputs built in,

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>And those would be my personal primary recommendation for people

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 2>who want to run lights and charge phones and things.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Like that drain power outages for a while.

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, while gas or propane generators more useful for keeping

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>heavy duty appliances going like fridges.

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I also passed out a couple different like portable or

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>luggable solar panel setups that can charge phones or other devices.

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And there were some mutual aid folks going around and

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>helping people with their solar setups, but overall, I didn't

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 2>see as much of it as I expected. I expected

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to show up and they'll just be like outside the

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>mutual aid stations, a big old foldable solar panel with

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a yeah power brick. I think fewer people had that

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>than I. Wow, So what are you doing to go buy?

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Because money is hard to come by, that's the reason.

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can't make them yourself, save a little bit,

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 4>uh that way, but be careful with big blocks of

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 4>cells and shit.

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like I'm always trying to price out the

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 2>difference between like I build my own solar setups. Yeah,

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>but I also like just get these solar generators. Sometimes,

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>until you're looking at like big systems, the price difference

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>is not as dramatic as you want, you know.

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Because, yeah, because you're putting in a lot of time and.

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Or even like an inverter costs a fair amount of money,

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and so if you're building a big system, the inverter

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>is like worth the expense, right, But if it's a

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 2>little system, the little thing that has a built an

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>inverter may be cheaper, right.

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 2>And like the charge controller, charge.

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Controller, Yeah, I was recently building one out for leaving

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.959
<v Speaker 4>out for migrants. Yeah, or having in the bed of

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 4>my truck, so when I run into people and need

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 4>to charge their phones, they can just do that without

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 4>my truck being gone.

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I ended up shoving a bunch of twelve fort

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 4>batteries and that ammocan and hooking it up to a

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 4>bunch of USB boards on the outside of the amacan

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 4>and then just bringing them home at charging them make

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 4>other than doing a charge controller, And.

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not worth it. No, that makes sense.

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, like my van's off grid setup is, I

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>have the equipment to run it off my alternator or

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>solar panels on the roof. I just have a fuck

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 2>ton of batteries in my van, so I just plug

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>it in every couple of weeks and it's fine, you know.

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you end up doing I've tried.

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 4>A bunch of a different solar panel so I use

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 4>them when i'm this company called Pale Blue that I

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 4>used a decent amount. I left it with someone on

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 4>a word trip because they needed it more than me. Yeah,

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 4>that's also a useful, but like if you're really trying

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 4>to run anything big, you need a lot more soelar panel,

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 4>then you're probably gonna you know, carry around on your backpack.

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what I think people don't quite recognize is that,

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>like I used to have a pretty large array of

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 2>twelve hundred watts, and you know, I had to go

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>run hundreds of feet of cable to put that in

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 2>a field and build like a whole structure to hold

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>it and get it to the right angle and things

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, and even then in the winter, I

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>ran the generator. And this is to keep my laptop

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and a little tiny super efficient fridge going right and

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>some other stuff right. But like, solar is not space efficient.

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not going to do what you think it does

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>because it's not gonna do what it's advertised to do.

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>But it'll keep your cell phone alive, yeah, which is important.

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Or if you use a satellite communicator or something, then

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>you can keep that charged.

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>With gas, one friend usually keeps her half full of gas,

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but forgot that week because you've been driving so much

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and started the crisis with only an eighth of a

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 2>tank and was extra stuck. You need to have a

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 2>gas can if you want to drive out of the

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>city and get as much gas as possible.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Of course, you.

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Can store gas in a good container for a while,

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>but it goes bad after three to six months. You

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>store gas that way, So you should set an alarm

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>for yourself. This is kind of telling myself. I have

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.320
<v Speaker 2>like gas cans where I was like, oh, I should

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>store some gas, and then I'm like, oh wait, how

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 2>long has that one been there?

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Crap? Now what am I dealing with it? Yeah?

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>You have to take it to real specialized places to

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>deal with it. Yeah, it's hard to get rid of

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>it once you. Yeah, let it go bad. And so

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>an empty gas can actually would have done people in

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Ashville a lot of good. A full gas can even better, right,

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.439
<v Speaker 2>But honestly, full tank of gas in your car better

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.879
<v Speaker 2>in a full gas can, empty gas can allow people

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>to leave and go get gas because they were not.

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Civilization didn't end. Civilization ended a ninety minute radius, you know. Yeah,

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>so you can set an alarm for yourself. If you're

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>going to keep full gas, you put it in your

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 2>gas tank and then you go refill it again, and

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>then you get annoyed about doing this, and then you

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>stop doing it, and then an apocalypse happens, and then

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 2>you're really annoyed that you forgot.

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 3>Don't ask me how I know.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 4>Just if you have the money to not let your

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 4>vehicle get below half full, you'll probably be fine.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 3>You can get a long way in a tank.

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's about when you have the money is an

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>important party. But at the end of the day, it

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>does not cost you more money to keep your gas

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>tank at half full.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 4>Right, No, it doesn't because you're and unless you're driving

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 4>a long way to get the gas, but like you're

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 4>still driving the same amount, you're just stopping off a

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 4>little more.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, empty gas can ended up crucial, and people who

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>stored them were glad, and a lot of them were

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>donated immediately. Volunteers collected gas cans and drove the three

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>hour round trip to fill them up with gas several

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>times a day. You should learn the range of your vehicle.

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Newer cars will tell you automatically, but if not, it's

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>not super hard to figure out your gas mileage. You

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>have to like look at your mileage when you fill

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>it up and do some division and shit and find

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>out the size of your fuel tank and your gas mileage,

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>and you'll know whether or not you have enough gas

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to reach an area, especially if you're doing disaster relief.

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>You never want to do disaster relief if you can't

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 2>get out of the situation yourself, because then you're a

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking asshole, because then you are just actually another person

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.959
<v Speaker 2>who needs relief. Communications, as this show covered last week,

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>were one of the hardest hit areas of preparedness in

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>this crisis. There were Ham radio operators doing stuff, but

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of my activist and anarchist friends with Bao fangs,

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 2>which are these cheap Ham radios, struggled to get them

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to work well during the storm due to the mountains,

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>water in the air, lack of repeaters, and frankly that

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Ham radios are really goddamn complicated and not everyone has

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>fully up on exactly how it works at that moment,

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>right Yeah, and this has put a fire under them

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to get better at it, but especially in the mountains,

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 2>repeaters need to be a part of a radio communications plan.

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>People with satellite phones were some of the only people

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 2>in communication at the beginning. I was curious about and

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>did not find any information about whether or not the

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>new iPhone satellite texting.

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to ask about that.

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I didn't find anyone who used it.

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I found it to be less reliable than what

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 4>I have is Garment in Reach. I pay for it, yeah,

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 4>and it works real well. Used it in the dairy

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 4>and gap. I've used it again, okay, every continent part

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 4>from Antarctica.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>So you would say that the iPhone doesn't replace the

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Garment in Reach in terms.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Of well, the iphonely works in North America, so for

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.920
<v Speaker 4>me my model then absolutely not, Like it didn't work

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 4>in Panama, Central America, I guess. So yeah, for me,

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:38.240
<v Speaker 4>the in Reach has been faster. It's also another device

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 4>that's not your cell phone. Yeah, and like sometimes you

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 4>know the device that you're playing Angry Birds on and

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 4>then you run out of battery or whatever. You know, Like, yeah,

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 4>it's useful to have a device which is only for emergencies,

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 4>which lasts for two weeks if you charged it up.

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I leave mine off and so yeah.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, I mean, if you're getting one for that purpose,

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.720
<v Speaker 4>I would say that, like the bigger in Reach is better.

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 4>This in Reach Mini and Mini two again. I used

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 4>a Mini for about eight years I think, eventually destroyed

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 4>it and got it warranty place with a Mini too.

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 4>The bigger one allows you to type on the device

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 4>the Mini too. Sending any kind of message without a

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:17.959
<v Speaker 4>cell phone to do the input.

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 3>Is a real bastard.

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 4>But this, yeah, it's just like remember when used to

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 4>do predictive texts and you do like one was ABC two.

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's like that.

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, I have the in Reach too, and I've

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>only proof of concept that I'm often driving around replaces

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 2>where I could break that down the.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Middle of nowhere.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Actually I broke down yesterday about three miles from where

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I lose cell service in the mountains that I live in.

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that could have been rough. I know.

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I also broke down in an auto mechanic shop. I

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 2>got real lucky with what was otherwise a real bad situation.

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 4>If you're getting it in Reach Mini, this is my soapbox.

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 4>Don't trust the crappy little carabineer. It comes with by

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 4>a small locking DMM makes it only locking carabiner. It's

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 4>an important thing to lose it because you didn't want

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 4>to spend ten bucks on a carabino.

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Would be a bad day. Hey you mentioned this. I'll

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>end up doing this because I trust you, because your

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>users more than mine. Mine just is like clip to

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>my hiking bag. But it hasn't.

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, inherently and ling and unlocking Caribin. You want to

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 4>be using a locker for something that's like an essential safety, No,

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 4>that makes sense. Threadlock the little yeah it uses. I

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 4>think it talks or alan threadlock that bad boy in. Okay,

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 4>you're good to go.

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I know that starlink doesn't work very well during storms.

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>There's this method of internet called starlink that's owned by

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 2>someone who I don't like and wouldn't like me because

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm a transperson. But starlink is not incredibly reliable during storms.

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I know that because I live remote and you starlink.

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm on talking on starlink right now. It does not

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 2>work great during storms. But after the storm passed and

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>when cell service was still out, a restaurant with starlink

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 2>was where many people first were able to reach their

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>loved ones. It's cool and so that is a thing

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to know. It is a fairly reliable service.

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Frankly, same deal in the darien Acually, that's how migrants

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 4>are first able to contact their loved ones and let

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 4>them know that they're safe. Yeah, it's an indigenous village

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 4>where someone has a starlink.

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Unless you personally piss off a particular billionaire, in which

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 2>case he will personally turn it off for you.

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Great.

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Everyone I talked to had a regular like AMFM weather

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah radio at home, which is great. Yeah,

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 2>people should have radios in their homes. Radio is the

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 2>main mechanism that the city used to broadcast information about

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>various threats, like evacuations of regents threatened by the destruction

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 2>of dams or the contamination in the water. However, how

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 2>you charge them is you know, I fortunately had some

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 2>d batteries in my van to give to someone because

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, that's soul school.

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, some of my stuff I brought like in

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>case someone I knew needed and some stuff I just

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.240
<v Speaker 2>like brought to give away. Yeah, and my like stash

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of batteries was just like came with me in case

0:40:58.600 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 2>anyone needed, you know.

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can get wind up weather radios. I have one.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, totally. That's actually I dislike most all in

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 2>one gadgets for survival, but the wind up radio with

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 2>the little shitty solar panel is one of the ones

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, No, that's they're thirty to fifty bucks

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and they work. Yeah, and you don't need much power

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 2>to listen to a radio, you know.

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:19.919
<v Speaker 4>No, they are a whole pot set of road where

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 4>wind up weather radios or how people get their information.

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense for travel. Most people still got

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.359
<v Speaker 2>around by vehicle, just with limited gas, though I saw

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 2>more than the usual number of people walking or biking,

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 2>pulling trailers or wagons. As a general rule, consider floodwaters

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to be impassable and do not attempt to drive through them. Interestingly,

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>electric cars do better in floods than gas engines because

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 2>if water gets into the air intake of a gas engine,

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the engine will stall. And usually it's people with giant

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>pickup trucks who overestimate the capabilities of their.

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Vehicles who go out and do this. Yeah.

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 2>When I got my truck and I was like, I'm

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a prepper, I'm going to get those like or the

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, front cage things or whatever grown. Yeah, and

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>then I looked into it and I read about it,

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and they just murder people.

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as someone who rides a bicycle a lot, those

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 3>things do not.

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Like it's already bad that pickup trucks are so gigantic,

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>but the if you add one of those things to

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the front of your car, front of your truck. You're

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>just gonna and you have to think about it. Are

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:26.720
<v Speaker 2>you more likely to need to push broken down cars

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>during the end of the world or accidentally hit a

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>pedestrian with your vehicle that is taller than a child. Yeah,

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and I would guess for most people, including me, I

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>am more likely to accidentally hit a pedestrian. So I

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 2>ran that through my cost benefit analysis, and I do

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>not have one of those things on my truck.

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I could imagine a world is like low, low low

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 2>on my list of priorities. Like one day I'm going

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 2>to get one and I'm going to keep it in

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:55.959
<v Speaker 2>my garage, and then it's like, yeah, and the world

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>has ended, and I'm gonna put it on my truck

0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>in case I need to push cars out of the way.

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 2>With the three hundred and fifty miles, I can drive

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 2>my truck before it's useless. Yeah yeah, using all that

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>gassy stored Yeah, yeah, exactly. That totally lasts a long time. Anyway.

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>One of the problems electric vehicles with flooding that I

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 2>think we're starting to see. I think these videos were

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>form Ashville, but I'm not certain is that electric vehicles

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 2>if they're underwater for long enough, especially with salt water.

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:23.320
<v Speaker 2>This is less of a North Carolina and more of

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a coastal thing. Yeah, the saltwater can cause fires if

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>it hits the battery long enough. Don't drive through floodwater,

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and floods in the mountains are particularly fast moving as

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 2>compared to like coastal area floods where the water might

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 2>be still and staying around.

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, fast moving floodwater goes away faster

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and on its own.

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, with gravity, don't cycle through it. I've cycled

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 4>through a couple of rivers once in Iceland. It just

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 4>picked up the bike from underneath me, and it like

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 4>not an optimal situation actually, to be swimming down a

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 4>river chasing off your bicycle in Iceland.

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want to do that. Yeah, avoid famously

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>warm place Iceland.

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, h only one hundred kilometers from the nearest place

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 4>I could rewarm myself. It's a great day.

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Roads were washed away in many places, while many many

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>more were blocked by down trees. Improper chainsaw use is

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:19.919
<v Speaker 2>one of the leading causes of injuries and disasters. Oh,

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I bet Proper use of chainsaws has been absolutely essential,

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 2>although there were reports of people who self rescued with handsaws. Yeah,

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know, yeah, you got time and people, and

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 2>you got a handsaw, and there's a tree in your way,

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>you can get through it. Yeah, don't be like the

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>guy maybe Margaret's sort didn't. There's some like homesteader on.

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, that's dot com who I've started war with. Yeah,

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 2>because he's he's lying, he's not like, I'm sorry this guy.

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 2>They don't braid their hair. Both of them have long

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>hair and they don't braid it. I do not believe

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 2>that they work outside regularly if they don't braid their hair. Yeah,

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>your hair will get caught and shit and it'll just tangle.

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 2>It is not worth it. The reason rural people long

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 2>hair wear their hair and.

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Braids, Yeah, it's it keeps it out the way. Yeah.

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would say that if you have a soul,

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 4>keep it, you know, keep it in a reasonable condition.

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 4>The old sort has been kicking around your shed and

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 4>it's rusty and blunt. Yeah, likewise, the old chainsaw, So

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 4>don't be dragging that out. Yeah, you haven't used it

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 4>for a while, that said.

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 2>One of the things I was expecting, but wasn't true

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 2>because I brought down a generator that I didn't know

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:24.879
<v Speaker 2>if worked right, And I was like, what a jerk move,

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Because if I was going down to like there's like

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 2>ten people and I'm like, don't worry, I'm here to

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:30.720
<v Speaker 2>rescue you. I've got a generator I don't know if works.

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 2>That's not so great. Yeah, right, there's one hundred thousand

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 2>people who live in Asheville. There was the Asheville Tool

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Library and the Western North Carolina Repair Cafe hold up

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 2>outside the Anarchist Bookstore fixing generators and chainsaws.

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh awesome, yeah, hero shit, and it was great.

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Of all the various generators people brought, I was like,

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:52.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this one works, and they added

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>gas and it worked, and so I was like I

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:56.799
<v Speaker 2>brought the best shitty generator, you know.

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but no, Sometimes things can be handy, and knowing

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.359
<v Speaker 4>how to fix things is always.

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Useful, and there are people around with more specialized skills.

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to learn to do everything. For example,

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 2>chainsawing is a specialized skill. I own a bunch of

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>devices that are scary and dangerous, and some of them

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>are guns, and one of them is a table saw,

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and the chainsaw is the most likely to hurt me. Yeah,

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.920
<v Speaker 2>for sure, And I've been to a chainsaw class. I'm

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>very glad. Cutting a downed tree is an entirely different

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 2>skill than cutting a live tree or a standing tree

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 2>because of the way that tension works. And I cannot

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 2>teach you this over. Well, you might already know it,

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 2>but don't listen to a podcast learn how to do it.

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Go to a class.

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, pay someone to teach you, and get the right

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 4>protective stuff. Yeah, absolutely, proper detective trousers and things.

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Also, never cut up trees woven with power lines without

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 2>ascertaining that the power line is dead. As for how

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 2>to ascertain it, I asked someone who was on a

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 2>chainsaw crew how to ascertain it, and he didn't know.

0:46:58.480 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So they just avoid those ones.

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, mains power is not a joke. Yeah.

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 2>People have been reaching the more isolated communities out there

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.680
<v Speaker 2>by hiking, by ATV, by dirt bike, by helicopter, and

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 2>most famously, by a string of pack mules.

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of ways.

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.439
<v Speaker 2>That people have been getting help to people. This doesn't

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 2>mean you need to go out and buy a helicopter

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 2>just get a bule. You don't even need to google

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 2>how much a helicopter is, Margaret, I wonder how much

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 2>a helicopter is anyway. And then there was one tool

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and tool set that a lot of my friends have

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that as of yet, has had more or less no

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>use in responding to this crisis, and that is guns.

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it might be This is interesting for a

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>few reasons. One is that North Carolina is a pretty

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 2>gun friendly state. It's also a pretty culture war ass state. Yeah,

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>where I live in West Virginia, people don't I mean, yeah,

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.720
<v Speaker 2>you see the punisher skull every now and then or whatever,

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 2>but like overall, people are like, I don't know, We're

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.439
<v Speaker 2>all just trying to live, you know. Yeah, in western

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina you have intense tensions between strong pockets of

0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>blue and red right and a lot of people on

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 2>both sides that are armed. I have a North Carolina

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:14.399
<v Speaker 2>concealed carry permit myself. I'm not anti gun, but it

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.760
<v Speaker 2>was not what was wanted or needed. Yeah, if food

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 2>stays scarce long enough down there, I would expect some

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>people might be doing some out of season survival hunting.

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:26.359
<v Speaker 2>But I haven't even heard rumors of that.

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Yet.

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there have been occasional rumors of robberies and the

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 2>occasional rumors of Nazi activity in the areas, and I believe.

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Both have happened.

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's been nothing widespread, and so far there

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.399
<v Speaker 2>hasn't even been a need for community defense organizations. By

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and large, the culture war is on pause, and I'm grateful.

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I like getting along with people.

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, it's much more fun they're shooting at them. Yeah.

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like talk about shared interests like guns.

0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I've had some sitive discussion to people who

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 4>don't pause. Yeah, probably aligned with me because we both

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 4>enjoy old guns.

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 2>And this is not to say the firearms are not

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 2>a useful skill set for different threat models within the apocalypse,

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 2>but it hasn't proved particularly useful so far in this

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 2>particular crisis.

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 3>And I think.

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Overall, I would put this at an overrated skill and

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:20.399
<v Speaker 2>an overrated tool.

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and definitely an overage way to spend a shit

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.839
<v Speaker 3>ton of money. Oh my god. Yeah, No.

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 2>One magazine of bullets is a movie that you could

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 2>go see at the theater.

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like a dinner.

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 4>And I'm saying this, Yeah, I'm looking at like, what's

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 4>that one, two, three, four, like maybe twelve ammunition cans

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:45.200
<v Speaker 4>full of ammunition. Mainly I buy that I like to

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.320
<v Speaker 4>go shoot clay pigeons and then targets and stuff, and

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 4>I buy and it's cheap.

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>But also, if you have a gun, you should know

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 2>how to use it, otherwise you're dangerous.

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Like, don't be buying a gun and then

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:57.759
<v Speaker 4>loading it and storing it and not knowing how to

0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 4>use it.

0:49:58.160 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Then your liability.

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I also have a bunch of lentils, and like,

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 4>just in terms of preparedness by the lentils.

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 2>First, totally more useful, way more useful in this circumstance.

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And this circumstance is more likely than most. And one thing,

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.839
<v Speaker 2>almost everyone I talked to was happy about. No one

0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:21.720
<v Speaker 2>was sad about. Just this came up. Everyone was happy

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that they had extra to share. A random woman who

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>showed up to get water at the Anarchist bookstore saw

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 2>what was happening and turned and told me, like, oh,

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I have a chainsaw. I don't really you should I

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>bring it here? And the answer is yes. And everyone

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 2>is happy when we give things to each other. That's

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the thesis of the other podcast episode I did this

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>week is that when you give stuff to someone, it's

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:44.959
<v Speaker 2>good for both of you.

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 3>You just literally are both happier.

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, without it doubt And like I remember when my

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 4>house faded. I think I was seventeen eighteen something like that.

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 4>My little sister and I were at home, and I

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 4>remember at first being like, oh no, back in the

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 4>daily you know, we had a TV that was read

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 4>to flat. It's probably six inches thick still, you know,

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 4>but we thought it was shit. And then being like,

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 4>oh no, this TV that was so cool, it's being destroyed.

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 4>And then immediately being like, my neighbors were in their

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 4>eighties and fuck the TV. Yeah, Like, and we got

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 4>our neighbors and there was one house in our village

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 4>that was on the hill. Everyone in our village went

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.959
<v Speaker 4>to the house on the hill. We had a great time. Yeah,

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Like we hung out and everyone was so much happier

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 4>not having to go through that shit alone. Yeah, and

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 4>they would have been sitting in the house watching all

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 4>their stuff wash you we Yeah, we stayed there for a

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 4>couple of days and then we went home and it

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:32.800
<v Speaker 4>was fine.

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Well that's what I got.

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was going to be thirty minutes and

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 2>then I forgot I was going to talk about gear

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:42.919
<v Speaker 2>with my friend James where we both separately off Mike

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:43.799
<v Speaker 2>often do this.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:44.799
<v Speaker 3>For hours of the time.

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so go out and get yourself three days

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 2>to three weeks worth of food and water, slowly build

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 2>it up. Go out and talk to your neighbors. Figureut

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 2>who they are and is it going to be okay?

0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.239
<v Speaker 2>The main reason's going to be okay is we all

0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>die eventually anyway, But like.

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 3>That's gonna be okay. Yeah, We're gonna take care of

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:05.839
<v Speaker 3>each other as best we can. Yeah, that's what we do.

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Anything you want to plug, I guess this is your podcast.

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean participant in mutual aid anyway, because then

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 4>you have the structures to help yourself and know other.

0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 3>People when you need them.

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Like if things went shit here tomorrow, I could

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 4>communicate with my board of friends because we use ham radios,

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:26.280
<v Speaker 4>and we could help one another because we already engage

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 4>in the helping of people, and we organize horizontally because

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 4>it is better and that way, it doesn't matter if

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 4>the person who is quote unquote in charge isn't here.

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 3>Because no one's in charge. Yep, totally, So do anarchism.

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>If you want to support Asheville and the relief efforts

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 2>there and the surrounding areas financially, there's a million different

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>small organizations that could absolutely ease your help. But the

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 2>two that I think we've been shouting out a lot

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 2>on the show, and I can personally vouch for it

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>very strongly is Appalachian Medical Solidarity and Mutual Aid Disaster Relief.

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<v Speaker 2>And both of those are volunteer organizations. Every day, all

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<v Speaker 2>the little money, all the money you send, is going

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<v Speaker 2>to buy people's stuff. And if you are within a

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<v Speaker 2>day's drive of western North Carolina, there might be a

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<v Speaker 2>hub collecting things. Don't bring them your old sweaters, bring

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<v Speaker 2>them stuff that people want. You could ask them and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll tell you, yeah, and that's what I got. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I got to plug. I will talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>all some other times on It could Happen Here.

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