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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast

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Speaker 2: about things falling apart and how people work to put

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Speaker 2: them back together again, because it's the Humpty Dumpty of podcasts,

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Speaker 2: except Humpty Dumpty couldn't be put back together in the

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Speaker 2: end because there was a bunch of state actors who

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Speaker 2: were trying and really that's not how you usually get

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Speaker 2: things done. I'm your guest host today, Martyr Kiljoy, and

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Speaker 2: with me as my regular host today is James Hi.

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Speaker 3: James Hi, Margaret, thank you for having me on a

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Speaker 3: podcast that I worke for.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you on your podcast. So this

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Speaker 2: episode is about what I learned about prepping by going

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Speaker 2: down to western North Carolina in the immediate wake of

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Speaker 2: the flooding caused by two storms, one of which was

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Speaker 2: Hurricane Helene. And there's a few things I like an

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Speaker 2: awful lot. One of them is prepping. Another one of

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Speaker 2: them is Asheville, North Carolina, where I lived longer than

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Speaker 2: I have lived anywhere else in my adult life, which

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Speaker 2: isn't actually saying that much because I lived there for

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Speaker 2: about six.

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Speaker 3: Years, but it's a decent amount of time, you know,

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Speaker 3: A place. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Before that, I was fully vagabondie. This is a story

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Speaker 2: about prepping in Nashville, North Carolina, and so I thought

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Speaker 2: i'd bring on another it could happen here prepper James.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's me someone who has been to Ashville, North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: But oh yeah, still lives in San Diego.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nice, nice pace to go outside normally.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but have you ever heard that song though, like

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Speaker 2: I've been everywhere man song, I've been everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm allowed to sing things on this podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've started liking that song. Is like, yeah, I've been everywhere.

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Speaker 2: That man starts listening where he's been, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: I haven't been. I ain't been shit. I have never

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Speaker 3: I've not made it. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It is one of the nice things about my job

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Speaker 4: that people I get to go places and meet people.

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Speaker 2: So, as I assume listeners are aware, about two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Hurricane Helene dumped an enormous quantity of water onto the

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Speaker 2: mountains of western North Carolina, which would have been bad

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Speaker 2: no matter what, but another unnamed storm had already been

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Speaker 2: dropping unconscious able unconscious not good amounts of water on

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Speaker 2: the area for a day or so. The two storms

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Speaker 2: together caused the worst natural disaster and recorded history for

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Speaker 2: the region. The only thing that came close was the

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixteen flood, which was again like a regular storm,

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Speaker 2: and then I think a coastal tropical storm hitting at

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Speaker 2: the same time. So the way to have everything fail

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Speaker 2: curious how to have bad things happen, doe two storms. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I drove down in a vanful of supplies because my

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Speaker 2: than my basement did, and because I had enough cash

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Speaker 2: on hand to hit up a bunch of stores to

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Speaker 2: drove down there as a journalist, figuring i'd talk to

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Speaker 2: people about mutual aid and about preparedness. This week on

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Speaker 2: my own podcast, Cool People Did Cool Stuff, I talk

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Speaker 2: about my experiences there, what I saw, with an emphasis

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Speaker 2: on the mutual aid side, on the enormous amount of

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Speaker 2: grassroots informal disaster response. But this is it could happen here,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to talk about preparedness. I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about what worked and what didn't, what lessons we

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Speaker 2: can draw anywhere we are listening to this from what

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Speaker 2: what lessons I was able to pick up on. And

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about like stuff and specific things

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Speaker 2: in a second GAD. But first, when I talk about preparedness,

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Speaker 2: which I do a lot, I talk about how I'm

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Speaker 2: interested in both the individual and community as two different

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Speaker 2: types of preparedness. And I had some hypotheses that these

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Speaker 2: were deeply related and reliant on each other in fact,

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Speaker 2: But now that I've seen those hypotheses tested, I was right.

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Speaker 2: That's that's my answer. It's in fact to approve in hypotheses. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't want to run more tests,

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Speaker 2: to stop being always no no, We're mostly doing things

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Speaker 2: Basically, we need both individual and community preparedness, and we

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Speaker 2: no single false dichotomy that has more wrecked our imaginations

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Speaker 2: both things to reinforce the other. I would argue the

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Speaker 2: twentieth century did us dirty? The Cold War?

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Speaker 3: Did us dirty? In the US?

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Speaker 2: I grew up presented with the idea that the USSR

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Speaker 2: represented community in that side, and that meant being a

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Speaker 2: cog in the machine, devoid of individuality in thrall to

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Speaker 2: an authoritarian state. If I cared about the individual and

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Speaker 2: individual freedom and liberty, I had to accept capitalism and

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Speaker 2: competition and to see myself in a war against everyone else.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be a cargon machine, and I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the This is the sort of false

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Speaker 4: dichoto media were presented with. Right. It's like, I'll tell

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Speaker 4: an anecdote here. When I was writing my dissertation, I

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Speaker 4: would describe my politics as left libertarian, and I would

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Speaker 4: and anarcosyndicalis in Spain similarly, because it accurately describes their perspective. Right,

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Speaker 4: and I was forbidden from doing so, the probably fair

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Speaker 4: enough objection that Americans could not comprehend the idea of

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Speaker 4: libertarianism without individualism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is annoying because, oh is it Rothbard? Someone

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was the pre dates Rothbard. It is something

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Speaker 4: I've written about on my Patreon. But yeah, libertarian began

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Speaker 4: to be used by French anarchists to avoid censorship and

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Speaker 4: persecution of anarchists for being anarchists. Yeah, and then it

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Speaker 4: came to America, where, like many things in America, it

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Speaker 4: fucking ruined by chuds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a shame.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there is in fact an option where you

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What is good for me as an individual is to

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Speaker 2: And I'm more able to do that in a supportive

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Speaker 2: from everyone else, chasing rabbits with a hatchet and dying

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Speaker 2: of easily preventable infections, like it's the.

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Speaker 3: American dream, Margaret, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: I used to joke that I was going to start

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Speaker 2: a YouTube channel called how to Survive Alone in the

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Speaker 2: woods of the hatchet eating squirrels that you kill with

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately you died of tetanus before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The existence of society makes me more free.

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Speaker 2: It makes me more capable of doing what I want

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Speaker 2: to do. I really like I don't remember which old

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Speaker 2: theorists came up with it, but I really like the

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Speaker 2: idea of understanding freedom as a relationship between people, not

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Speaker 2: a like static state. It is something that we offer

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Speaker 2: each other and that we work to maximize with each other.

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Speaker 2: On the other side of things, what's good for communities

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Speaker 2: is not to be rigidly top down controlled, but instead

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Speaker 2: to allow people free expression, develop new ideas, try new things,

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Speaker 2: to have communities grow organically. We are not actually factory cogs.

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Speaker 2: We do better as a garden. And that's been my

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Speaker 2: working theory. With preparedness, it's been similar. On one side,

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Speaker 2: are these deals, these goods and services, the ads that

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Speaker 3: Magnificent?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I live to do this. Here's

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Speaker 2: the ads, and we're back on one side. I saw

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Speaker 2: preppers as being kind of a primarily an individualistic bunch

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Speaker 2: of folks obsessed with what I've called the bunker mentality,

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Speaker 2: the hole up and guns and shoot anyone who comes

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Speaker 2: to close mentality that I've got mind fuck you mentality

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Speaker 2: you've ever seen on like older prepper Reddit and stuff

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Speaker 2: their friends after the apocalypse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that like, anyone who's able to has more than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more than two. Yeah. It's great when they

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Speaker 3: all come around to educasionally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like, wait, but I like this community

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're also the only friends because they've alienated everyone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fall out.

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Speaker 2: This is not a good mentality to have. I would

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll move the borders as far from your

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Speaker 4: eyesight as possible. That's what I saw in Panama. I was, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But like Panama without funding you and me, Margaret Home,

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Speaker 4: we pay our taxes, We pay for families to be

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Speaker 4: split out. Hell yeah, deportations to happen, fences to be

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Speaker 4: built in Panama because that makes it further from our

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Speaker 3: That's what liberty means. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Liberty is the ability to interfere in other countries' families.

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Speaker 4: Yep, domestic politics in other countries by fire hose of money.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because it's the same like justification.

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Speaker 2: Every now and then you meet the people who genuinely

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Speaker 2: think Russia is like allowed to invade Ukraine because border

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Speaker 3: You're like, amazing, what it? Yeah, Ukraine bad, therefore fuck it?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 4: Like it's yeah, yeah, like the Monroe doctrine, but for Russia,

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Speaker 4: like this is my hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: Don't fuck with me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they burn down your neighbor's house because you're just like, Nah,

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Speaker 2: you're living too close to me.

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Speaker 3: Don't like it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, senior yard sign. They've got one of those in

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Speaker 4: this house signs. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah, which they've

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Speaker 4: all taken down now because it's no human beings legal

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Speaker 3: No longer believe that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would argue this is a fundamentally right wing

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Speaker 2: ostensibly center left Democrats, or they admit their right wing

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Speaker 2: individualistic preppers. Yeah, And this was dominant in prepping circles

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Speaker 2: He told me that what most people did or needed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, dirt bike, said, E bike, E dirt bike.

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Speaker 4: Then you can run off solar power, don't need gas,

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna talk about electronics versus gas later in

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Speaker 3: I got a whole part got it?

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Speaker 2: But first, what we really need for the apocalypse is

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Speaker 2: whatever comes next in the ads. That is what will

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Speaker 2: save you in the apocalypse. If it's a podcast, yeap

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Speaker 2: that is the podcast that will give you the secret

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Speaker 4: Hopefully it's the Reagan gold coins, which will become the

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Speaker 2: I bet it's gambling and if you go gamble, you're

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Speaker 3: That's how I think we legally cannot say that.

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Speaker 2: Er Back, the overall lesson was that some stuff is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm basically doing a like me too. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: we were not there this time. Asheville is not okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have lived here since I didn't work or remote.

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00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. I'll take my stern throwing opportunity.

443
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: Asheville is a very climate stable area. All of Appalachia is,

444
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: and it's nowhere near the coast. There's not a lot

445
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: of earthquakes. There are far fewer forest fires than there

446
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: are out west. There were some forest fires that were

447
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: there one of the years that I lived there, but

448
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't. It didn't impact my life the

449
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: way it impacts my friends' lives that live out west. Yeah,

450
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: there are industrial accidents and there's occasional flooding, but no

451
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: one had any reason to expect anything like this, except

452
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: that all of us have every reason to expect something

453
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: like this. Areas hit more regularly by climate disasters have

454
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: protocols in place for those sorts of things. People in

455
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: California pay attention to the fires during that fire season.

456
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 2: People on the Gulf Coast track the hurricanes. And not

457
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: that these disasters aren't disastrous, but they're expected. They're part

458
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: of living where you live Ashville. What happened there could

459
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: be any of us at any time, So what was

460
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 2: useful for them for prepping seems like it might be

461
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: really useful for all of us. And most of that,

462
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: most of what was useful is the basics. People I

463
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: talked to were either real happy that they stored water

464
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: or real sad that they hadn't stored water. With the

465
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: storm coming, people filled up their bath tubs. One friend

466
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: cut the down spouts on his house to direct them

467
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 2: into trash cans, and now a week later, they still

468
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: have water.

469
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 3: To flush the toilet. Yeah.

470
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're like super ahead of it,

471
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: you've got your little rain collectors all the time, right,

472
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: but yeah, worst case scenario caught your down spout and

473
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: throw a trash can there, yep, or anything else that's

474
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: food safe. Yeah, well in this case is mostly water flushing.

475
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

476
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: But it's funny just as you mentioned this, Like I

477
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 4: was in the village I stayed in last week, didn't

478
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 4: have rang water electricity, and that's exactly what they did.

479
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 4: They had a person I stayed I've had like a

480
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 4: normal toilet, but they don't have plumber in water, so

481
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 4: they just collect rainwater and use that every time they

482
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: want to flush it.

483
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I've lived off grid and don't have a

484
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: busy access running water instead of bucket flushing, I'm shit

485
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: in a bucket with sawdust.

486
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, they I think, like there's a hole underneath.

487
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 4: I'm interesting, but you have to flush it to get

488
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: it in. I think this was like a status upgrade

489
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 4: to have the physical toilet.

490
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that actually makes a lot of sense.

491
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

492
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: Some of the first water distribution centers that came online

493
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: after the storm in Ashville didn't have water containers, and

494
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: this is actually still the case as of recording, so

495
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: people had to bring their own. One friend only had

496
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: those big clear water drugs, the kind that you put

497
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 2: into like a water cooler and like get refilled at

498
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: the grocery store, you know. Yeah, and these don't have

499
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: good caps and you can't really bicycle with them while

500
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: they're full.

501
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: I've bicycled with one when it was full. But yeah, okay,

502
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: it's not a fun, not a fun. This is where

503
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: you need a long tail cargo bike, the ultimate prep

504
00:23:59,560 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: a vehicle.

505
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I would argue, Jerry cans, that's my pitch

506
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: instead of yeah, Yeah, you can also get Jerry Kant's

507
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: or like the like big opaque water jugs for storing water.

508
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, or even bags, what are bags the like

509
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: MSR drone bags. Okay, if you says before, there's a

510
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: pretty rarebust, I've only seen little ones that it makes

511
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: sense of those big ones too. Yeah, big ones expedition stuff.

512
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: I would argue that if you're thinking about getting the stuff,

513
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: opaque water containers with good lids are more useful than

514
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: the blue clear ones. But if you have access to

515
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: the blue clear ones and that's what you got, go

516
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: get them.

517
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 5: Yea.

518
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: And many people lacked any containers at all, so the

519
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: water distribution site.

520
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: Was not as directly useful as it could have otherwise been.

521
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: That's tough.

522
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: One friend during the storm pulled out all the recycling

523
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: and filled every jug with water and put it in

524
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: the fridge, which did two things. One it gave you

525
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: slightly orange tasting water to drink for a while, and

526
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: two it added thermal mass to keep the fridge cool longer.

527
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: And of course, you know story, more water always good.

528
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

529
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: For the most part, most water people at access to

530
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: had a boil advisory on it before it went out completely.

531
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: Oh you're a water filter expert. I want to talk

532
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: to you about this.

533
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: I was about to fucking dive into that shit. I

534
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 4: so I was ready to go. Okay, hold on, all right.

535
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, floodwater itself is generally an awe, or at least

536
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: it is in this case too toxic to use a

537
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: simple filter or boil at home. Things like pesticides are

538
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: incredibly hard to get out of water. Yeah, and lightweight

539
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: backpacking type filters, which overall are what I recommend for

540
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: most things like sawyers and life straws. They don't really

541
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: cut it, as from what I understand. From what I understand,

542
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: the two methods that can work are the like fairly

543
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: slow and like intense charcoal filters, activated charcoal filters, and

544
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: then in home style reverse osmosis filters, which normally I

545
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: don't like, but for this it seems like they might.

546
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have enough power for an hour filter. Yeah,

547
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: it's a nice touch. Also, if you.

548
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: Get one, then your home appliance did if you'd have

549
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 4: in a hard water area, which is a lot of

550
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: the West, won't get fucked up by the classification so much.

551
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense. I use a water softener AM

552
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: I well, similar approach, but I like reverse as mosoa

553
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: seems like it has some advantages. Maybe I never liked

554
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 2: reverse as mosos because when I first was looking into it,

555
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: I lived off grid and reverse osmosis creates a lot

556
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: of wastewater. Yeah, and I was just like, all of

557
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: this water was hard to come by.

558
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: Fuck that.

559
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 4: There are some filters that have an activated charkhole element

560
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: that specifically the pesticide runoff and like industrial guitaminates are

561
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 4: something I have been really worried about in a couple

562
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 4: of places I've been for work. You know. Actually I

563
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: was somewhat concerned about that in a recent trip, the

564
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: one in the one in Panama. But it's not so

565
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: much pesticides. There's human waste and decaying human remains, which

566
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 4: is pretty rough. But in the end my that was

567
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: a big concern for we went there. The MSI Guardian

568
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 4: I think has an activated charkhole, and so does the

569
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: camelback in line filter.

570
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: Oh interest kind of a small one.

571
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah that And what's really cool about that is a

572
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: lot of them you can't replace because the activated charcoal

573
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: is you can't backflush it in the same way that

574
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: you can backflush a filter right, Camelback will sell you

575
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: just the actual activated charcole element you can then replace.

576
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: I've got a few of them in a cupboard behind.

577
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but that would be what to look for

578
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: if you're but yeah, don't be just boiling it or

579
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: just filtering it. And those are for like something like

580
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 4: a soawyer. They're great for rainwater, but if you're filtering

581
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: water you weren't a fast flowing clear not a turbid

582
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: or a stagnant water source or an industrially bluted water source.

583
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: A fast flowing clear mountain stream great, but like turbid,

584
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: stagnant water with industrial pollutants not so good.

585
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: That makes sense. And so if you're listening to as

586
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: an ashwell or elsewhere, I'm like, I'm trying to think

587
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: of what I'm like. I'll probably I have some activated

588
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: charcoal stuff, but I don't like it as much because

589
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't like I don't like disposable things.

590
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but I yeah, thinks that you can

591
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: reuse are always better.

592
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for certain threat models, especially if you don't

593
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: have the power for reversus messus.

594
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not that expensive. Yeah.

595
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 4: The MSR ones actually the that's what the US military

596
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: issues to some of it's like, I guess more special people.

597
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes they pop up on the surplus market pretty cheap okay,

598
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 4: and they have a bomber warranty. You can trash it

599
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: and they'll replace it.

600
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, I like that.

601
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: A lot of outdoors gear is like pretty like they'll

602
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: stand by their product.

603
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

604
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: I would keep wanting trying to pitch his story. Itgaly,

605
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: but yeah, Like I have an MSR quilt. This is

606
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: not like an MSR sponsored episode, but I've used that

607
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: shit on. It's a very small, very light but like

608
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: an ultralight quill. I've used I think literally on almost

609
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: every continent in the world. Well, and just through like

610
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: it's down and through like my body's greasiness, my inherent

611
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: oiliness gradually down, even if you take really good care of.

612
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: It, right, the downs, Yeah, packed in in there. Yeah.

613
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: I had it for probably six years. I was like,

614
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: fuck it, this isn't working anymore. Let me see if

615
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: they'll do me a discount of a new one, put

616
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: in a warranty claim, send it back to them. Okay,

617
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: here's a new one, Just just send me one.

618
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, no, I like that more outdoor stuff.

619
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: I like people who stand by the shit they do.

620
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they also fixed stuff, which is cool, Like

621
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: I like that, and they will ship you the part

622
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 4: to fix it well, which is I feel less wasteful

623
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: when that happens.

624
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

625
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: So with food, this one's real simple. People were either

626
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: glad they stockpiled food or they were sad that they

627
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: had in stockpiled food.

628
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an easy one.

629
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: One friend immediately took about half a stash of freeze

630
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: dried foods to distribute out to friends and strangers.

631
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: Awesome.

632
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: Most people I talked to did not have any real

633
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: amount of backup power available to them. On any given street,

634
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: I would pass only a few houses with generators running,

635
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 2: which also, of course, takes gas or propane. Propane has

636
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: the advantage of storing and indefinitely, it has the disadvantage

637
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: of being substantially more expensive per like kill a lot

638
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: hour or whatever of power.

639
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: M h yeah, probably more bulky too to store, right,

640
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: like per energy unit totally.

641
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: When I was off grid, I used a dual fuel

642
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: gener I actually I took it down and I no

643
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: longer have the generator and gave it to some folks.

644
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: But I had a gas propane generator, and I ran

645
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 2: it off of propane because it also is like cleaner

646
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: on the engines. You have to do less maintenance. Yeah,

647
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: but you know, if I needed it all the time,

648
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: it was a backup to my solar. If I had

649
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: to run it all the time, I would have used

650
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: gas because it Yeah. Anyway, I talked with one homeowner

651
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: with solar on his roof about how he hadn't sprung

652
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: for the house battery because after all, power in the

653
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: area never really went out.

654
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: For more than a day at a time, right.

655
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally delivered two solar generators, which just means

656
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: like big ol' lithium batteries with inputs and outputs built in,

657
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: And those would be my personal primary recommendation for people

658
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: who want to run lights and charge phones and things.

659
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: Like that drain power outages for a while.

660
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, while gas or propane generators more useful for keeping

661
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: heavy duty appliances going like fridges.

662
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

663
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: I also passed out a couple different like portable or

664
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: luggable solar panel setups that can charge phones or other devices.

665
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: And there were some mutual aid folks going around and

666
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: helping people with their solar setups, but overall, I didn't

667
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: see as much of it as I expected. I expected

668
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: to show up and they'll just be like outside the

669
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: mutual aid stations, a big old foldable solar panel with

670
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: a yeah power brick. I think fewer people had that

671
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: than I. Wow, So what are you doing to go buy?

672
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: Oh?

673
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: Right?

674
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: Because money is hard to come by, that's the reason.

675
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't make them yourself, save a little bit,

676
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: uh that way, but be careful with big blocks of

677
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: cells and shit.

678
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I'm always trying to price out the

679
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: difference between like I build my own solar setups. Yeah,

680
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: but I also like just get these solar generators. Sometimes,

681
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: until you're looking at like big systems, the price difference

682
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: is not as dramatic as you want, you know.

683
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: Because, yeah, because you're putting in a lot of time and.

684
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Or even like an inverter costs a fair amount of money,

685
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: and so if you're building a big system, the inverter

686
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: is like worth the expense, right, But if it's a

687
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: little system, the little thing that has a built an

688
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: inverter may be cheaper, right.

689
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

690
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: And like the charge controller, charge.

691
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: Controller, Yeah, I was recently building one out for leaving

692
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 4: out for migrants. Yeah, or having in the bed of

693
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 4: my truck, so when I run into people and need

694
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: to charge their phones, they can just do that without

695
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: my truck being gone.

696
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

697
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I ended up shoving a bunch of twelve fort

698
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: batteries and that ammocan and hooking it up to a

699
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: bunch of USB boards on the outside of the amacan

700
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: and then just bringing them home at charging them make

701
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: other than doing a charge controller, And.

702
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not worth it. No, that makes sense.

703
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: And honestly, like my van's off grid setup is, I

704
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: have the equipment to run it off my alternator or

705
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: solar panels on the roof. I just have a fuck

706
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: ton of batteries in my van, so I just plug

707
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: it in every couple of weeks and it's fine, you know.

708
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you end up doing I've tried.

709
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: A bunch of a different solar panel so I use

710
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: them when i'm this company called Pale Blue that I

711
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: used a decent amount. I left it with someone on

712
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 4: a word trip because they needed it more than me. Yeah,

713
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: that's also a useful, but like if you're really trying

714
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: to run anything big, you need a lot more soelar panel,

715
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: then you're probably gonna you know, carry around on your backpack.

716
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: That's what I think people don't quite recognize is that,

717
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: like I used to have a pretty large array of

718
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: twelve hundred watts, and you know, I had to go

719
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: run hundreds of feet of cable to put that in

720
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: a field and build like a whole structure to hold

721
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: it and get it to the right angle and things

722
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, and even then in the winter, I

723
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: ran the generator. And this is to keep my laptop

724
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: and a little tiny super efficient fridge going right and

725
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: some other stuff right. But like, solar is not space efficient.

726
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: It's not going to do what you think it does

727
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: because it's not gonna do what it's advertised to do.

728
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: But it'll keep your cell phone alive, yeah, which is important.

729
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: Or if you use a satellite communicator or something, then

730
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: you can keep that charged.

731
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

732
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: With gas, one friend usually keeps her half full of gas,

733
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: but forgot that week because you've been driving so much

734
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: and started the crisis with only an eighth of a

735
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: tank and was extra stuck. You need to have a

736
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: gas can if you want to drive out of the

737
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: city and get as much gas as possible.

738
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: Of course, you.

739
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: Can store gas in a good container for a while,

740
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: but it goes bad after three to six months. You

741
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: store gas that way, So you should set an alarm

742
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: for yourself. This is kind of telling myself. I have

743
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: like gas cans where I was like, oh, I should

744
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: store some gas, and then I'm like, oh wait, how

745
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: long has that one been there?

746
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Crap? Now what am I dealing with it? Yeah?

747
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: You have to take it to real specialized places to

748
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: deal with it. Yeah, it's hard to get rid of

749
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: it once you. Yeah, let it go bad. And so

750
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: an empty gas can actually would have done people in

751
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: Ashville a lot of good. A full gas can even better, right,

752
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: But honestly, full tank of gas in your car better

753
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: in a full gas can, empty gas can allow people

754
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: to leave and go get gas because they were not.

755
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Civilization didn't end. Civilization ended a ninety minute radius, you know. Yeah,

756
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: so you can set an alarm for yourself. If you're

757
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: going to keep full gas, you put it in your

758
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: gas tank and then you go refill it again, and

759
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: then you get annoyed about doing this, and then you

760
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: stop doing it, and then an apocalypse happens, and then

761
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: you're really annoyed that you forgot.

762
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 3: Don't ask me how I know.

763
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: Just if you have the money to not let your

764
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: vehicle get below half full, you'll probably be fine.

765
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: You can get a long way in a tank.

766
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's about when you have the money is an

767
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: important party. But at the end of the day, it

768
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: does not cost you more money to keep your gas

769
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: tank at half full.

770
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: Right, No, it doesn't because you're and unless you're driving

771
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: a long way to get the gas, but like you're

772
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: still driving the same amount, you're just stopping off a

773
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: little more.

774
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, empty gas can ended up crucial, and people who

775
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: stored them were glad, and a lot of them were

776
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: donated immediately. Volunteers collected gas cans and drove the three

777
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: hour round trip to fill them up with gas several

778
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: times a day. You should learn the range of your vehicle.

779
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: Newer cars will tell you automatically, but if not, it's

780
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: not super hard to figure out your gas mileage. You

781
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: have to like look at your mileage when you fill

782
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: it up and do some division and shit and find

783
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: out the size of your fuel tank and your gas mileage,

784
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: and you'll know whether or not you have enough gas

785
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: to reach an area, especially if you're doing disaster relief.

786
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: You never want to do disaster relief if you can't

787
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: get out of the situation yourself, because then you're a

788
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: fucking asshole, because then you are just actually another person

789
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 2: who needs relief. Communications, as this show covered last week,

790
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: were one of the hardest hit areas of preparedness in

791
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: this crisis. There were Ham radio operators doing stuff, but

792
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: a lot of my activist and anarchist friends with Bao fangs,

793
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: which are these cheap Ham radios, struggled to get them

794
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: to work well during the storm due to the mountains,

795
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: water in the air, lack of repeaters, and frankly that

796
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: Ham radios are really goddamn complicated and not everyone has

797
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: fully up on exactly how it works at that moment,

798
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: right Yeah, and this has put a fire under them

799
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: to get better at it, but especially in the mountains,

800
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: repeaters need to be a part of a radio communications plan.

801
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: People with satellite phones were some of the only people

802
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: in communication at the beginning. I was curious about and

803
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: did not find any information about whether or not the

804
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: new iPhone satellite texting.

805
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about that.

806
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: I didn't find anyone who used it.

807
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: Okay, I found it to be less reliable than what

808
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 4: I have is Garment in Reach. I pay for it, yeah,

809
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 4: and it works real well. Used it in the dairy

810
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: and gap. I've used it again, okay, every continent part

811
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: from Antarctica.

812
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: So you would say that the iPhone doesn't replace the

813
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: Garment in Reach in terms.

814
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 4: Of well, the iphonely works in North America, so for

815
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: me my model then absolutely not, Like it didn't work

816
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: in Panama, Central America, I guess. So yeah, for me,

817
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 4: the in Reach has been faster. It's also another device

818
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: that's not your cell phone. Yeah, and like sometimes you

819
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: know the device that you're playing Angry Birds on and

820
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 4: then you run out of battery or whatever. You know, Like, yeah,

821
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: it's useful to have a device which is only for emergencies,

822
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: which lasts for two weeks if you charged it up.

823
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I leave mine off and so yeah.

824
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, if you're getting one for that purpose,

825
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 4: I would say that, like the bigger in Reach is better.

826
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 4: This in Reach Mini and Mini two again. I used

827
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 4: a Mini for about eight years I think, eventually destroyed

828
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: it and got it warranty place with a Mini too.

829
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: The bigger one allows you to type on the device

830
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: the Mini too. Sending any kind of message without a

831
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 4: cell phone to do the input.

832
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: Is a real bastard.

833
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: But this, yeah, it's just like remember when used to

834
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 4: do predictive texts and you do like one was ABC two.

835
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah it's like that.

836
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I have the in Reach too, and I've

837
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: only proof of concept that I'm often driving around replaces

838
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: where I could break that down the.

839
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: Middle of nowhere.

840
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Actually I broke down yesterday about three miles from where

841
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: I lose cell service in the mountains that I live in.

842
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: Oh, that could have been rough. I know.

843
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: I also broke down in an auto mechanic shop. I

844
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: got real lucky with what was otherwise a real bad situation.

845
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: If you're getting it in Reach Mini, this is my soapbox.

846
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 4: Don't trust the crappy little carabineer. It comes with by

847
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 4: a small locking DMM makes it only locking carabiner. It's

848
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 4: an important thing to lose it because you didn't want

849
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 4: to spend ten bucks on a carabino.

850
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: Would be a bad day. Hey you mentioned this. I'll

851
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: end up doing this because I trust you, because your

852
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: users more than mine. Mine just is like clip to

853
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: my hiking bag. But it hasn't.

854
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, inherently and ling and unlocking Caribin. You want to

855
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: be using a locker for something that's like an essential safety, No,

856
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: that makes sense. Threadlock the little yeah it uses. I

857
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: think it talks or alan threadlock that bad boy in. Okay,

858
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 4: you're good to go.

859
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: I know that starlink doesn't work very well during storms.

860
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: There's this method of internet called starlink that's owned by

861
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: someone who I don't like and wouldn't like me because

862
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm a transperson. But starlink is not incredibly reliable during storms.

863
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: I know that because I live remote and you starlink.

864
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm on talking on starlink right now. It does not

865
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: work great during storms. But after the storm passed and

866
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: when cell service was still out, a restaurant with starlink

867
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: was where many people first were able to reach their

868
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: loved ones. It's cool and so that is a thing

869
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: to know. It is a fairly reliable service.

870
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: Frankly, same deal in the darien Acually, that's how migrants

871
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: are first able to contact their loved ones and let

872
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: them know that they're safe. Yeah, it's an indigenous village

873
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 4: where someone has a starlink.

874
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: Unless you personally piss off a particular billionaire, in which

875
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: case he will personally turn it off for you.

876
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Great.

877
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: Everyone I talked to had a regular like AMFM weather

878
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: blah blah blah radio at home, which is great. Yeah,

879
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: people should have radios in their homes. Radio is the

880
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: main mechanism that the city used to broadcast information about

881
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: various threats, like evacuations of regents threatened by the destruction

882
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: of dams or the contamination in the water. However, how

883
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: you charge them is you know, I fortunately had some

884
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: d batteries in my van to give to someone because

885
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: oh wow, that's soul school.

886
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

887
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: No, yeah, some of my stuff I brought like in

888
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: case someone I knew needed and some stuff I just

889
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 2: like brought to give away. Yeah, and my like stash

890
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: of batteries was just like came with me in case

891
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: anyone needed, you know.

892
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get wind up weather radios. I have one.

893
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. That's actually I dislike most all in

894
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: one gadgets for survival, but the wind up radio with

895
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: the little shitty solar panel is one of the ones

896
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: that I'm like, No, that's they're thirty to fifty bucks

897
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: and they work. Yeah, and you don't need much power

898
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: to listen to a radio, you know.

899
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 4: No, they are a whole pot set of road where

900
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: wind up weather radios or how people get their information.

901
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense for travel. Most people still got

902
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: around by vehicle, just with limited gas, though I saw

903
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: more than the usual number of people walking or biking,

904
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: pulling trailers or wagons. As a general rule, consider floodwaters

905
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: to be impassable and do not attempt to drive through them. Interestingly,

906
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: electric cars do better in floods than gas engines because

907
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: if water gets into the air intake of a gas engine,

908
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: the engine will stall. And usually it's people with giant

909
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: pickup trucks who overestimate the capabilities of their.

910
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: Vehicles who go out and do this. Yeah.

911
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: When I got my truck and I was like, I'm

912
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: a prepper, I'm going to get those like or the

913
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, front cage things or whatever grown. Yeah, and

914
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: then I looked into it and I read about it,

915
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: and they just murder people.

916
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, as someone who rides a bicycle a lot, those

917
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: things do not.

918
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Like it's already bad that pickup trucks are so gigantic,

919
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: but the if you add one of those things to

920
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: the front of your car, front of your truck. You're

921
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: just gonna and you have to think about it. Are

922
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: you more likely to need to push broken down cars

923
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: during the end of the world or accidentally hit a

924
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: pedestrian with your vehicle that is taller than a child. Yeah,

925
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: and I would guess for most people, including me, I

926
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: am more likely to accidentally hit a pedestrian. So I

927
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: ran that through my cost benefit analysis, and I do

928
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: not have one of those things on my truck.

929
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

930
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: I could imagine a world is like low, low low

931
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: on my list of priorities. Like one day I'm going

932
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: to get one and I'm going to keep it in

933
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 2: my garage, and then it's like, yeah, and the world

934
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: has ended, and I'm gonna put it on my truck

935
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: in case I need to push cars out of the way.

936
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

937
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: With the three hundred and fifty miles, I can drive

938
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: my truck before it's useless. Yeah yeah, using all that

939
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: gassy stored Yeah, yeah, exactly. That totally lasts a long time. Anyway.

940
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: One of the problems electric vehicles with flooding that I

941
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: think we're starting to see. I think these videos were

942
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: form Ashville, but I'm not certain is that electric vehicles

943
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: if they're underwater for long enough, especially with salt water.

944
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: This is less of a North Carolina and more of

945
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: a coastal thing. Yeah, the saltwater can cause fires if

946
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: it hits the battery long enough. Don't drive through floodwater,

947
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: and floods in the mountains are particularly fast moving as

948
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: compared to like coastal area floods where the water might

949
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: be still and staying around.

950
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

951
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: On the other hand, fast moving floodwater goes away faster

952
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: and on its own.

953
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

954
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, with gravity, don't cycle through it. I've cycled

955
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: through a couple of rivers once in Iceland. It just

956
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: picked up the bike from underneath me, and it like

957
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: not an optimal situation actually, to be swimming down a

958
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 4: river chasing off your bicycle in Iceland.

959
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do that. Yeah, avoid famously

960
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: warm place Iceland.

961
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, h only one hundred kilometers from the nearest place

962
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: I could rewarm myself. It's a great day.

963
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: Roads were washed away in many places, while many many

964
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: more were blocked by down trees. Improper chainsaw use is

965
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: one of the leading causes of injuries and disasters. Oh,

966
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: I bet Proper use of chainsaws has been absolutely essential,

967
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: although there were reports of people who self rescued with handsaws. Yeah,

968
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: and you know, yeah, you got time and people, and

969
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: you got a handsaw, and there's a tree in your way,

970
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: you can get through it. Yeah, don't be like the

971
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: guy maybe Margaret's sort didn't. There's some like homesteader on.

972
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's dot com who I've started war with. Yeah,

973
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: because he's he's lying, he's not like, I'm sorry this guy.

974
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: They don't braid their hair. Both of them have long

975
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: hair and they don't braid it. I do not believe

976
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: that they work outside regularly if they don't braid their hair. Yeah,

977
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: your hair will get caught and shit and it'll just tangle.

978
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: It is not worth it. The reason rural people long

979
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: hair wear their hair and.

980
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: Braids, Yeah, it's it keeps it out the way. Yeah.

981
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that if you have a soul,

982
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: keep it, you know, keep it in a reasonable condition.

983
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: The old sort has been kicking around your shed and

984
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: it's rusty and blunt. Yeah, likewise, the old chainsaw, So

985
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: don't be dragging that out. Yeah, you haven't used it

986
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: for a while, that said.

987
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: One of the things I was expecting, but wasn't true

988
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: because I brought down a generator that I didn't know

989
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 2: if worked right, And I was like, what a jerk move,

990
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: Because if I was going down to like there's like

991
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: ten people and I'm like, don't worry, I'm here to

992
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: rescue you. I've got a generator I don't know if works.

993
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: That's not so great. Yeah, right, there's one hundred thousand

994
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: people who live in Asheville. There was the Asheville Tool

995
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: Library and the Western North Carolina Repair Cafe hold up

996
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: outside the Anarchist Bookstore fixing generators and chainsaws.

997
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: Oh awesome, yeah, hero shit, and it was great.

998
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Of all the various generators people brought, I was like,

999
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if this one works, and they added

1000
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: gas and it worked, and so I was like I

1001
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: brought the best shitty generator, you know.

1002
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, Sometimes things can be handy, and knowing

1003
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 4: how to fix things is always.

1004
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Useful, and there are people around with more specialized skills.

1005
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: You don't have to learn to do everything. For example,

1006
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: chainsawing is a specialized skill. I own a bunch of

1007
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: devices that are scary and dangerous, and some of them

1008
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: are guns, and one of them is a table saw,

1009
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: and the chainsaw is the most likely to hurt me. Yeah,

1010
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: for sure, And I've been to a chainsaw class. I'm

1011
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: very glad. Cutting a downed tree is an entirely different

1012
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: skill than cutting a live tree or a standing tree

1013
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: because of the way that tension works. And I cannot

1014
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: teach you this over. Well, you might already know it,

1015
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: but don't listen to a podcast learn how to do it.

1016
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: Go to a class.

1017
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, pay someone to teach you, and get the right

1018
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: protective stuff. Yeah, absolutely, proper detective trousers and things.

1019
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1020
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: Also, never cut up trees woven with power lines without

1021
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: ascertaining that the power line is dead. As for how

1022
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: to ascertain it, I asked someone who was on a

1023
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: chainsaw crew how to ascertain it, and he didn't know.

1024
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: So they just avoid those ones.

1025
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, mains power is not a joke. Yeah.

1026
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: People have been reaching the more isolated communities out there

1027
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: by hiking, by ATV, by dirt bike, by helicopter, and

1028
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: most famously, by a string of pack mules.

1029
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: There are a lot of ways.

1030
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: That people have been getting help to people. This doesn't

1031
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: mean you need to go out and buy a helicopter

1032
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: just get a bule. You don't even need to google

1033
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: how much a helicopter is, Margaret, I wonder how much

1034
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: a helicopter is anyway. And then there was one tool

1035
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: and tool set that a lot of my friends have

1036
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: that as of yet, has had more or less no

1037
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: use in responding to this crisis, and that is guns.

1038
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: I think it might be This is interesting for a

1039
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: few reasons. One is that North Carolina is a pretty

1040
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 2: gun friendly state. It's also a pretty culture war ass state. Yeah,

1041
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: where I live in West Virginia, people don't I mean, yeah,

1042
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 2: you see the punisher skull every now and then or whatever,

1043
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: but like overall, people are like, I don't know, We're

1044
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 2: all just trying to live, you know. Yeah, in western

1045
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: North Carolina you have intense tensions between strong pockets of

1046
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: blue and red right and a lot of people on

1047
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: both sides that are armed. I have a North Carolina

1048
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: concealed carry permit myself. I'm not anti gun, but it

1049
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: was not what was wanted or needed. Yeah, if food

1050
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: stays scarce long enough down there, I would expect some

1051
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: people might be doing some out of season survival hunting.

1052
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: But I haven't even heard rumors of that.

1053
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: Yet.

1054
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there have been occasional rumors of robberies and the

1055
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: occasional rumors of Nazi activity in the areas, and I believe.

1056
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: Both have happened.

1057
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's been nothing widespread, and so far there

1058
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: hasn't even been a need for community defense organizations. By

1059
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: and large, the culture war is on pause, and I'm grateful.

1060
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: I like getting along with people.

1061
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's much more fun they're shooting at them. Yeah.

1062
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like talk about shared interests like guns.

1063
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've had some sitive discussion to people who

1064
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: don't pause. Yeah, probably aligned with me because we both

1065
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: enjoy old guns.

1066
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: And this is not to say the firearms are not

1067
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: a useful skill set for different threat models within the apocalypse,

1068
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: but it hasn't proved particularly useful so far in this

1069
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: particular crisis.

1070
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: And I think.

1071
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: Overall, I would put this at an overrated skill and

1072
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: an overrated tool.

1073
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely an overage way to spend a shit

1074
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: ton of money. Oh my god. Yeah, No.

1075
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: One magazine of bullets is a movie that you could

1076
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: go see at the theater.

1077
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like a dinner.

1078
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 4: And I'm saying this, Yeah, I'm looking at like, what's

1079
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: that one, two, three, four, like maybe twelve ammunition cans

1080
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: full of ammunition. Mainly I buy that I like to

1081
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 4: go shoot clay pigeons and then targets and stuff, and

1082
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: I buy and it's cheap.

1083
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: But also, if you have a gun, you should know

1084
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: how to use it, otherwise you're dangerous.

1085
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like, don't be buying a gun and then

1086
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: loading it and storing it and not knowing how to

1087
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: use it.

1088
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: Then your liability.

1089
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I also have a bunch of lentils, and like,

1090
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: just in terms of preparedness by the lentils.

1091
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: First, totally more useful, way more useful in this circumstance.

1092
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: And this circumstance is more likely than most. And one thing,

1093
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: almost everyone I talked to was happy about. No one

1094
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 2: was sad about. Just this came up. Everyone was happy

1095
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: that they had extra to share. A random woman who

1096
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: showed up to get water at the Anarchist bookstore saw

1097
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: what was happening and turned and told me, like, oh,

1098
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: I have a chainsaw. I don't really you should I

1099
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: bring it here? And the answer is yes. And everyone

1100
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: is happy when we give things to each other. That's

1101
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: the thesis of the other podcast episode I did this

1102
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: week is that when you give stuff to someone, it's

1103
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 2: good for both of you.

1104
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: You just literally are both happier.

1105
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, without it doubt And like I remember when my

1106
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 4: house faded. I think I was seventeen eighteen something like that.

1107
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: My little sister and I were at home, and I

1108
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: remember at first being like, oh no, back in the

1109
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: daily you know, we had a TV that was read

1110
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 4: to flat. It's probably six inches thick still, you know,

1111
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 4: but we thought it was shit. And then being like,

1112
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 4: oh no, this TV that was so cool, it's being destroyed.

1113
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: And then immediately being like, my neighbors were in their

1114
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 4: eighties and fuck the TV. Yeah, Like, and we got

1115
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: our neighbors and there was one house in our village

1116
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: that was on the hill. Everyone in our village went

1117
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 4: to the house on the hill. We had a great time. Yeah,

1118
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: Like we hung out and everyone was so much happier

1119
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: not having to go through that shit alone. Yeah, and

1120
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: they would have been sitting in the house watching all

1121
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: their stuff wash you we Yeah, we stayed there for a

1122
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: couple of days and then we went home and it

1123
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 4: was fine.

1124
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: Well that's what I got.

1125
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be thirty minutes and

1126
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: then I forgot I was going to talk about gear

1127
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 2: with my friend James where we both separately off Mike

1128
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: often do this.

1129
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: For hours of the time.

1130
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so go out and get yourself three days

1131
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: to three weeks worth of food and water, slowly build

1132
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: it up. Go out and talk to your neighbors. Figureut

1133
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: who they are and is it going to be okay?

1134
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: The main reason's going to be okay is we all

1135
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: die eventually anyway, But like.

1136
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: That's gonna be okay. Yeah, We're gonna take care of

1137
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 3: each other as best we can. Yeah, that's what we do.

1138
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: Anything you want to plug, I guess this is your podcast.

1139
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean participant in mutual aid anyway, because then

1140
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: you have the structures to help yourself and know other.

1141
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: People when you need them.

1142
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: Yes, Like if things went shit here tomorrow, I could

1143
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: communicate with my board of friends because we use ham radios,

1144
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 4: and we could help one another because we already engage

1145
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: in the helping of people, and we organize horizontally because

1146
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: it is better and that way, it doesn't matter if

1147
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: the person who is quote unquote in charge isn't here.

1148
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: Because no one's in charge. Yep, totally, So do anarchism.

1149
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: If you want to support Asheville and the relief efforts

1150
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: there and the surrounding areas financially, there's a million different

1151
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: small organizations that could absolutely ease your help. But the

1152
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: two that I think we've been shouting out a lot

1153
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: on the show, and I can personally vouch for it

1154
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: very strongly is Appalachian Medical Solidarity and Mutual Aid Disaster Relief.

1155
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: And both of those are volunteer organizations. Every day, all

1156
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: the little money, all the money you send, is going

1157
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: to buy people's stuff. And if you are within a

1158
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: day's drive of western North Carolina, there might be a

1159
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: hub collecting things. Don't bring them your old sweaters, bring

1160
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: them stuff that people want. You could ask them and

1161
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: they'll tell you, yeah, and that's what I got. That's

1162
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: what I got to plug. I will talk to you

1163
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: all some other times on It could Happen Here.

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