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And we'll 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:25.160 speak more on that with Metal, But first, as we 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.840 talk records being broken, I am extremely excited about this 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.039 week in sports because of a record that's about to 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.320 be broken in which I have watched. Of the two 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:44.199 thousand and six hundred and some odd threes that has 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:49.560 been made, I've probably seen about two thousand of them 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.120 actually be made, and it's incredible us. You know, we're 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.560 talking Steph Curry about to break Ray Alan's record. I 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.120 think currently today he is fifteen threes away. And it's 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.960 a beautiful theme. Man. I remember coming into the NBA 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.320 and number one Steph Curry was not Steph Curry as 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.720 we know today. You gotta remember this is ten years ago. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.960 We're talking Steph Curry coming off injuries. We're talking Steph 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.760 Curry that I'm in here doing a workout just in 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.400 the off season, and Steph Curry shows back up in 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.120 Oakland and the owner of the team is watching, our 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.120 general managers, watching coach, watching five other people in the 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:36.040 front office are watching him do an individual workout. Individual workout. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.760 Season has not started yet. We're just ramping up, starting 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.480 to get into the floor of things and starting to 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.120 prepare for training camp, and they're watching his workout like 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.359 a hawk. And then we go into training camp and 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.280 you know, his workout was great. I watched him shoot 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.600 that day. It was incredible. But then we rolled into 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.080 training camp and there's kind of questions about whether Steph 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.560 Curry will get paid or not. It's he worth the 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.760 extension with his ankles hold up the whole nine yards. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.600 He went on that same preseason to sign a four 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:12.440 four year, forty four million dollar deal, which ended up 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:20.440 being one of the biggest discounts in NBA history because 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.799 after he signed that four year, forty four million dollar deal, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.200 that very year, he got set up to All Star 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.200 and if I'm not mistaken, the following year, I think 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.120 he made it. But that's when Steph Curry started to 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:39.880 take off and became the Steph Curry as we know. Obviously, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.080 those are the first two years of my career. My 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.760 third year, we won the NBA Finals, which is he 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:50.840 signed an extension. It is the second year of a 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.000 forty four million dollar extension. He's making eleven million dollars 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.360 a year. He's not even the highest payer person on 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.800 our team. I don't even think he was the second. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.920 I don't even think he was the fourth highest played 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.920 player on our team. He goes on to win m 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.600 VP that year, we win the championship, and he's making 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.640 eleven million dollars a year, and the rest of that 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.000 is history. But what I do want to talk about 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.960 is Steph Curry breaking that record. And obviously the record says, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.480 the record says that he's the best shooter we've ever 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.240 seen body amount of threes, and he'll be number one, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.839 But what the eye test tells us, it's totally different 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.960 than what the record tells us, because the reality is 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.720 records can be broken, and you know, it's just how 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.360 the cookie crumbles. For instance, Steph Curry's three point record 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:41.799 will be broken, and from the time he's done playing, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.600 it will probably only take someone five or six more 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:50.560 years to break that record, if that reason being. Trey 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:55.000 Young comes into the NBA attempting probably six or seven 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.200 three pointers a game. Uh, Donovan Mitchell comes into the 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.960 NBA attempting probably six or seven three pointers a game. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.600 Steph Curry came into the NBA attempting to three pointers 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.679 a game. Because it's just a totally different ball game. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.480 Two or three three pointers. Again, it's a totally different 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:16.640 ball game and part in large part due to Steph 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.120 Curry and Clay Thompson and the way those guys shot 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.680 the basketball. I can even think back to the beginning 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.360 of the championship run where everybody from Charles Barkley too, 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.000 you know, all the people in the media, Santa jump 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.000 shooting team can't win a championship. They'll never win their 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.320 jump shooting team. They won't win a championship. Those guys 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.360 shoot too many threes. Mark Jackson made a comment of 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.880 Steph Curry ruined the game of basketball with the way 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.640 he plays, and at the time it was totally blown 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.080 out of proportion. It was, and it was blown out 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.000 of proportion obviously because Mark Jackson had just been here 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.360 as our coach, and everybody's taking it as a slight. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.440 The reality is Mark Jackson, who is one of the 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.800 best basketball minds I've ever been around, was spot on 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:08.400 with his comment, and what he meant by that comment was, nowadays, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.960 you have guys shooting threes that shouldn't attempt the three, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.800 to say their life, and the types of threes that shooting. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.280 You got guys coming off the dribble shooting threes. That's 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.920 not good shooters at all. And you have kids trying 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.200 to shoot the NBA three, throwing it from their shoulder 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.719 and throwing it from their hip to shoot an NBA three, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.440 And it's all because of Steph Curry. So when Mark 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.400 Jackson made that comment, Steph Curry ruined the game of basketball. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.880 That's what he was getting at, and he couldn't be 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.479 more He couldn't be more accurate with his statement before 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.560 anybody else realized it's because it totally changed changed the 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.679 way the game is played, just by the way Steph 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.080 Curry and Clay Thompson has been playing the game all 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.719 this time. And I think when I look back on 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.160 it's actually the ten years now that I've been here, 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.919 most people, especially in the analytical department, didn't think Steph 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.000 Curry shot enough three. To this day, they still don't 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.240 think Steph Curry shoots enough threes. And so that just 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.280 goes to show you where the game is going and 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:22.040 why his record will be broken probably within five to 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.800 six years of him finishing playing the game. However, forget 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.440 the record being broken, the fact that he is breaking 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.800 this record and he's doing it in almost half the 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.760 amount of games that Ray Allen Uh did it. It 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.520 really just speaks to who Steph Curry is, the type 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.240 of talent that he is, the shooter that he is. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.120 It's one of the most incredible things. And I've had 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.920 the pleasure of being able to watch most of these threes, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.680 and I think the most incredible thing about it is 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.920 some of them are off pin downs, a bunch of 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.240 them come off pen downs, a bunch of of them 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.320 calm off spot ups, but the majority of them probably 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.720 comes off the dribble. And I think that's what's so 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.360 special about it is you're talking a guy not not 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.440 you're You're not talking a guy who's spotting up and 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.360 shooting and just catching and shooting. By the way, no 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.600 disrespect to the guys that do catch, spot up and 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.480 catching shoot, because for those grades that does do that, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.920 come on. I'll take the lessons. But the way Steph 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:34.520 Curry shoots the basketball, and the variety of shots that 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.880 he's taken, in the type of shots that he's taking, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.160 the variety of defenses that he's facing. Steph Curry doesn't 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.839 go into a game and not face a double team, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.480 no matter who we're playing against. At some point throughout 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.640 the game, he's going to face a double team, and 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.160 the fact that he's still able to make the amount 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.560 of threes that he's made is impressive. But what's even 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.880 more impressive is that he's able to get up as 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.080 many good attempts as he's able to get up. And 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.400 I think that is a testament to his ball handling, 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.480 but I think it's even more so a testament to 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.440 his understanding the knowledge of the game, and how he 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.640 continues to move and find open spots. You know, he 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.240 see a situation, he see the setup of a play, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.800 and he sprints from one corner all the way through 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.440 all the way to the top of the floor, but 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.680 taking the longest route possible. Number One, the discipline that 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.280 it takes to guard that not many people that have 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:38.920 that type of discipline. Number Two, the effort and conditioning 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:44.839 level and stamina that that takes. It's absolutely insane. And 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.679 number three, the mindset that you have to have in 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.600 order to be okay shooting the bar. That many times 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.120 when you shoot the bar, that many times, you're gonna 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.520 have some bad missus. You're gonna have some bad games. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.040 And one thing I've never seen with Steph Curry is 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:05.240 his confidence confidence waiver. I've seen Steph Curry missed his 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.200 first six three pointers and heat checked the seventh one 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.080 from thirty three feet out, like as if he just 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.680 knocked down four or five in a row and he's 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.920 heat checking. It's the most incredible thing. And I think 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.440 that is the biggest testament to the shooter, to the 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.320 record that he's breaking, is the confidence that he has 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:31.320 and never waivers. And I am honored to be his teammate. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.120 I am honored to be alone in this journey with him. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.320 I am thankful and appreciative that I've been able to 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.600 witness such greatness. Not not every day do you have 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:50.600 the opportunity two be around greatness or witness greatness. Some 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.080 people don't win, don't actually witness greatness in their life. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.839 And when I say witness greatness, I mean especially to 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.640 be around someone who's the best ever at something. You know, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:08.120 you're talking the likes of Jeff Bezos Uh, Elon musk Uh. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.840 You know, all of these guys who are the best 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.560 ever at what they do. That's Steph curt He's the 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.840 best to ever shoot a basketball. And I think the 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.920 most interesting thing about it is we can all debate 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.080 whether Elon Musk is a better CEO than Jeff Bezo 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.880 or the Elon must create a better company than Jeff 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:37.640 Bezos or the Mark Zuckerberg create a better company than 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.520 Jack Dorsey. Like, you can debate that and you're gonna 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.920 get several different answers from different people. When you debate 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.680 who's the greatest shooter ever, you get one consistent answer, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.600 and that's Steph Curry. And I think that is the 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.040 most incredible thing because when you're talking the greatest ever 0:11:55.080 --> 0:12:01.000 at something, it's it's not really fact based. Like we 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.640 can say, you know, Ray Allen has the most threes, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.680 but some people would argue that Reggie Miller was a 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.400 better shooter than Ray Allen, you know, and yeah, and 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.920 so that would be a situation on where you say, well, 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.400 it's not fact based just by Ray having more threes 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.559 than Reggie. Now, granted, Ray Allen, it's great, and I 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.559 don't think anyone's really arguing that, but just as an example, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.079 but with Steph Curry, Ray Allen won't even argue that 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.199 Reggie Miller won't even argue that. All of those guys 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.640 say Steph Curry is the best, And I think it 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.480 is absolutely incredible. I mean, you're talking to a guy 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.320 who when he shoots the ball from half court you 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.800 think it's going in. It actually goes in quite quite 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.840 quite often, but it's unheard of. And like I said, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.760 I am blessed and honored to have the opportunity to 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.400 go to work every day with someone like that who's 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.400 that great at something. And man, I am looking forward 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:07.839 to possibly tomorrow Steph Curry breaking this record. I was talking. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.320 I was having a conversation with our general manager, Bob 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.320 Myers earlier today, and he said, so, what are you 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.240 expecting tomorrow? Like, are you expecting number thirty to shoot? 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.040 I said, well, I'm honestly, I'm honestly I'm expecting him 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.160 to shoot thirty three tomorrow. He's like, really you think? 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.040 So did he say that? I said, he didn't say 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.960 a word. And he's like, oh, so, so he's not 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.400 thinking about it. I said, is he not thinking about it? 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.640 I don't. I can't say he's not thinking about it. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:40.040 I think that's tough not to think about. But what 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.280 I can tell you is he he would never come 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.160 out and say, oh, I'm shooting thirty threes tomorrow. But 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.800 I told Bob. I said, Bob, I'll know right away 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.040 from the very first possession what type of time here 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.640 if he trying, if he's legitimately trying to break that 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.040 record tomorrow, or is he just gonna gradually keep getting 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.320 there And just played again Aim and do and he 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.560 was like, but we can't lose the game. I said, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.000 we won't lose the game, Bob, We'll be just fine. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.160 He won't do that, but I am expecting him to 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.079 shoot thirty threes tomorrow. So if Steph Curry come out 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.600 to shoot thirty threes tomorrow or even you've heard it 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.440 here first on the Draymond Green Show, because that is 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:26.200 my take, that's what I'm guessing. And I think Steph 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:31.000 Curry will be bombing threes against Portland tomorrow and don't 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.040 count them out because there's an outside chance that he 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.440 could break that record tomorrow. So I'm looking forward to that. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.160 I think it's absolutely incredible that he's going to be 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.400 breaking this record, But I also don't think no better 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:49.320 person to do it, because the way he's changed the 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.320 game of basketball, and not just at this level, but 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.920 at every level of basketball. I think it's a beautiful 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.600 thing and him breaking this record. It's just like a 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.600 stamp of like, you know, I did change the game 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.120 with basketball, but just it just stamps at all we 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:11.520 all already believe he's the greatest shooter ever. That's the stamp, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.600 and I am thrilled and happy to see it. I'd 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.120 also be remissed if I didn't talk about Kenneth Walker 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:22.640 being Kenneth Walker to third, being snubbed as a Heisman candidate, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:28.040 not attending the Heisman ceremony, I think it's absolutely ridiculous. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.320 You're talking about a guy who's dominated from start to 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.680 finish of the season, a team that's had a great 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.920 years in the New York as in a New Year's 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.720 six Bowl. And by the way, don't tell me, oh this, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.320 this guy had this or this team was winning. C 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.200 J Stroud, no complaints. C J Stroud deserves to be there. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.480 You also have Bryce Young, no complaints. Bryce Young deserves 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.200 to be there. Aidan Hutchinson, I'm not a scum guy. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.280 So as a defender, I have the utmost respect acting 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.240 love for them putting a defensive guy up there, because 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.400 that never happens. And and as defenders, you you rarely 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.600 get any recognition, and so I do have an appreciation 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.320 for him being a defensive end and being in the 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.160 Heisman and and the and the race for the Heisman. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.080 But then we also have and I'm drawing a blank 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.280 on his name right now, we also have the quarterback 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:31.040 from Pittsburgh, Kenny Pickett. We have Kenny Pickett, who's the 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.520 quarterback of pitt Pittsburgh who's actually playing in the same 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.000 bowl game as US. They're playing against US Michigan State. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:45.840 And so if if your excuse Kenneth Walker not being 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.880 in the Heisman race and not being one of the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.400 finalists for the Heisman, if your excuses, oh, we didn't 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.800 make the playoff, shame on you because c J. Strouss 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.880 in the same position and Kenny pickettson the same position. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:05.160 And it's actually ridiculous. You you you have two quarterbacks already. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:11.320 You you you add a third quarterback. But it also 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.240 just it just goes to show the flaws in the system. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.840 But college college as a whole is flawed. The business 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.040 of college is flawed. And I know everybody's like, oh, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.960 they're allowed, they're allowing guys to be paid now, blah 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.440 blah blah. That's garbage. All the money you You're now 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.720 seeing all these coaches get paid, and yet the n 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.960 c a A still aren't paying players. So college is 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.879 flawed as a whole. The host, the n c A 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:44.359 is flawed, the Heisman voting, and the Heisman candidates is 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:50.439 obviously flawed. The player. The college football playoffs system is 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:56.159 ridiculously flawed because it's not winning get in, you know 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.480 you have. The Georgia Alabama game ends up meaning asolutely 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:06.360 nothing because Georgia loses, and since they were undefeated coming 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.720 into the game, that doesn't drop them out of the playoff. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.760 The only way it matters is Alabama would have lost. Well, 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.800 guess what we all knew. Alabama wasn't losing that game, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.560 and so it's not a win and get in. It's 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.760 not you controlling your own destiny. If Georgia had a 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:26.760 fallen out, I think Notre Dame's five or yeah, Notre 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:31.560 Dame's five in Ohio State six. Notre Dame lost their 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.040 game early in the season. I think they lost their 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.200 game a week one or two and they're still sitting 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.879 there at five. And so the whole system is flawed. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.840 College as a whole is flawed. It's ridiculous. It's outdated. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.359 There are several things that need to change, and Kenneth 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.160 Walker not making the Heisman, It's just goes to show like, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.120 who's who's deciding this stuff? Because Kenneth Walker, we beat 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.960 Ohio State and Kenneth Walker's the Heisman winner. We lose 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.119 so high stating Kenneth Walker is not even a Heisman finalist, 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.040 and so I just think it's ridiculous. I think it's 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.800 absolutely flawed, it's pathetic, and a lot of changes need 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.919 to be made to college as a whole, especially with 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.800 the changes that that are being made in these professionals leagues, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.440 with the G League and the new rules. If college 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.400 wants to survive, there's a lot of things that needs 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.399 to be changed. And the latest is their Heisman voting. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.760 Because there's no way that Kenneth Walker, the third should 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:37.280 not be a Heisman finalist. It's absolutely ridiculous, it's pathetic. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.679 But I'm over it, and I think it's time to 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.040 move to what I think it's going to be the 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.280 absolute best part of this segment because I am thrilled 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.120 about it. I couldn't be more honored to have a 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.359 guest who I have the utmost respect for. And although 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:01.880 his appreciation in basketball as a whole isn't where I 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.760 know it should be. And that's coming from me as 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.760 a peer who played against this guy. Know what he 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.840 did to the game, know what and know how hard 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.320 he made it for other teams on the offensive end 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.159 and the and more and even more so on the 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.520 defensive end. I couldn't be more thrilled and honored to 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:28.240 be welcoming Metal World Peace to the show. I am 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.919 honored today UH to have a guest who I have 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.880 the utmost respect for, UM, A guy who I had 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.880 the opportunity to play against UH, thank god for only 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.080 two years. UM being one of the strongest guys, if 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.360 not the strongest guy that I ever played against, one 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.920 of the better, the best defender that I've ever played against, 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.280 one of the toughest guys to come through the league, 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.720 guy who I had the honor of growing up watching 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.560 play UH and had tremendous respect for Helen from Queen's 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:06.240 Bridge by way of St. John's onto the league cause Havoc. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.399 One of the toughest guys. As I said, a Metal 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.960 World Peace man, thank you madam for coming on to 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.159 the show. It's an honor to have your own brother here. Man, 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.679 it's an honor to be here. I've remember seeing you 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.159 when the finals and UM in Cleveland and had a 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.240 chance to sit down and just like watch you speaking 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.440 after the championship. I remember that I wanted to kind 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.760 of soak that in just as a fan. And I'm 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.719 just so impressive what you bring to the table. Man, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.000 it's incredible. Thank you, thank you know. Uh so I 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.959 mean in kicking this off man, obviously, uh you know, 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.840 I've I've said publicly I'm the greatest defender ever. And 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.680 you know when I said that, it caused it caused 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:49.160 a lot of commotion and more so amongst other defenders. Um, 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.919 you know, I enjoyed the commotion that caused because obviously 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.280 in order to be a great defender, you have to 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.159 have that intensity, you have to have that mindset. And 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.480 so once that once it came out like that, I'm like, hell, yeah, 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.080 I wanted it to come off like that. But as 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.520 a guy, um, who I respect as a defender and 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:12.680 everyone you played with respect as a defender. What what 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.119 was the key for you and defending the garden the 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.879 way that you did. I mean, the thing was like 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.000 when I grew when I was growing up. I want't 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.240 to score, you know, so the only way I could 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.160 win was on defense. And I used to hate losing. 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.880 So I learned how to make the game ugly since 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.280 I was a kid. Like even when we when we 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.440 lost to the Pistons in the in the game six, 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.399 get the score was deefinitely one of sixty seven. You know, 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.800 every film that I've ever lost, like, the score is 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:39.439 always low. Even when you lost in the Lakers in 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.720 game seven, Um, the score was eighty nine to seventy, like, 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.240 you know, like I always like to make it ugly. Deflections, 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.480 you know, I always knew like deflections, uh elite. I 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.000 always like, I always like to leave my team and 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.480 deflections and different things. But um, the the other thing 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.120 was just being competitive. And since a kid, I've been 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.600 you know, I want everywhere, you know, in New York City, 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.680 everywhere played. But one of the things I did was 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.240 a lot of people up, and I always thought like 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:04.879 that was the best. I always thought I was the 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.919 best player on the floor, even without scoring, you know. 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.560 And with that being said, you know, I just wanted 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.520 to try to shut my opponent down, just to be 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.040 the best player on the floor, even though you might 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.520 have you know, a really good offensive game. But I 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.800 just wanted to shown for sure, and I think I 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:25.000 think for us, Um, the most respect you can get, 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.960 uh as a player is from your peers. You know, 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.360 when your peers respect you, that goes way beyond what 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:36.160 this newscaster may say, what this analysts may say. When 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.159 your peers respect you. And one and one of the 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.919 guys that we know that we all respect obviously is Kobe. 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:44.000 And he always said that you were as tough as 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.160 challenge and part of the reason why was because you're 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.120 always switching your stands up. Can you walk me through that? Yeah, yeah, 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.240 I mean it's a lot of people that I learned 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.840 a lot from. Um. But you know, with that being said, 0:23:55.359 --> 0:24:00.920 defense is always a constant adjustment. And with that being said, UM, 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.520 you never wanna you know, you know, your job has 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.159 never done on defense. So what I always like to 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.280 do is the angles. Would always like to keep it's 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.840 my center of gravity, like um, kind of in front 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.520 you know of europe mid section and then also you 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.000 know in between, you know, your legs. And I was 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:18.800 always just moving with the angles, you know, UM, And 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.960 I just I was I was on two sixty sixty 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.080 five when I played, so I couldn't really stay in 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.320 front of these sewall guys, you know what I'm saying. 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.720 So I always had to use the angles, you know, 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.840 to my advantage. That's crazy that the fact that you 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.000 were to sixty two sixty five moving the way that 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.560 you did. I think the one thing that when I 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.760 first came into the league, I was at three. For 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.080 those that don't know, I wasn't playing the four really 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.560 and I never played the five. When I first came 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.560 into the league's at that time, it was like Zebo 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:51.200 and Mark gasol Um, Tim Duncan and Thiago Splitter, Paul 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.399 Kassol Andrew bund him like you had Dwight Howard. You 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.480 had real big playing the four with seven foot guys 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.600 playing the playing the fourth spot. And one thing that 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.960 I noticed when I when you when you guarded me 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.760 a couple of times at the three, you were just 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.479 rooting into the ground like couldn't be moved one. Like 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.320 I said, one of the strongest guys when I when 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.360 I came out, it was only you and stack Jack 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.119 that was like that, Like nobody else was moving like that. 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.560 And to think that at one point you two guys 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:24.280 were on the same team and you guys had a 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:28.680 could have possibly won a championship, and then things happened. Um, 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:33.760 do you have any regrets in leaving Indiana when you left, 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:37.720 because I personally think that team could have won a championship. Yeah, big, 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.040 big regrets. You know, I was young and dumb. I 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.720 always tell people, don't request trades. I always tell people 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.119 it's not it's not always greener on the other side. 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.199 You know, as a basketball players, you know, we it 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.199 goes in phases, and we all are entitled players at times. 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.479 And I was a very like entitled player. So when 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.840 I don't get my way, I request trade. I wish 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:57.840 I would have soared through, you know. I wish I 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.520 would have had, you know, the ability and the and 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.080 and the strength to understand that you know, things get better, 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.120 you know if you just you know, have a little patience. 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.199 But at the three year old, I wasn't looking at 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:14.160 it like that, and we I definitely regretted. I tried 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.320 to get back to Indiana. Actually, um, right before I 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.480 got to the Lakers, I was trying to get back 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.159 to Indiana. Um, but you know, so much happened. They 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:27.040 did any want to back. That's that's interesting and obviously, 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.639 uh that that leads what what sparked that was the 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.800 Malice at the Palace. I actually had the opportunity of 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.520 playing with Jermaine O'Neil my second year in the league, 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.439 one of my old g s, and he told us 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.359 a story. We're obviously we're all asking about the Malice 0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:47.600 at the Palace. As a kid growing up in Sagging All, Michigan, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.119 I remember that like it was yesterday. I'm watching the 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.840 guy I knew guys on the Florida type of stuff, 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.040 so I'm like, you know what's going on. But I 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.240 was talking to Jermaine and he said, Man, one thing 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.639 I loved about our team was we was really a 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:06.160 bunch of crazy motherfucker's. Like that's how Jermaine. Jermaine explained 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.200 it to me, Like we were a bunch of crazy 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.199 mother fucker's. He said. We had stack Jack and we 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.920 had run. He said, after after the brawl, we walked 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.760 into the locker room and Ron come in and say, yo, 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.640 y'all think we're gonna get suspended? He said, y'all, y'all 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:26.320 think we're gonna do you remember that? True? I remember that, 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.520 you know, I'm just saying like if somebody you know, 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.400 you're getting the fight, it's like over because you know, 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.760 especially if you didn't start the fight. You know, I 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.679 did everything in my power. I remember that day, um 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.040 trying to do everything in my power to not get 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.400 in any trouble because even three years into the league, 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:43.879 I was getting ejection and suspensions, and I'm like, I 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:45.520 just want to have a good season. I just want 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.720 to like, you know, continue this legacy. And so I 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.959 didn't expect to get in that brawl that day. I 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.639 expected to come out of the clean, you know, And 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.159 when I get to the locker room, I'm just like, 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.800 is this really happening? Like I just couldnt believe it. 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.040 You know, I go to the scorer's table, I lay down, 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:07.080 you know, I've been just throwing his headbands. I'm like 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.160 just sitting there and I'm just what's gonna And then boom, 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.920 this guy throws a cup of bear and I just 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:17.000 snapped right and just like what just happened with him? 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:22.359 Like what five ten minutes? Like maybe eight minutes. That's interesting. 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:27.480 It's funny because I had I had a situation, um Man, 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.520 about five five six years ago now back in East 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.560 Alansta and I was telling some friends of mine. I said, Yo, 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:39.200 I've been in a lot of situations, and whatever happened 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.480 in the situation, I probably caused it a little bit 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.040 with my attitude. I said, but this was the one 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.440 time I actually held it together. This time like I 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:51.840 held it together. I didn't do anything. I retreated, went 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.720 back the next day saying, guy, come at me again, 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:56.840 like I did everything in my power, and that's the 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.800 one day that it actually goes wrong is the day 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:03.080 that I try to hold it together. It's funny to 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:07.760 hear that, but so that that transpires, you you get 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.960 suspended for the rest of the season, and then everything 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.640 happens with Jamaine gets his suspension, stat gets his suspension. 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.880 We never get to see the true potential of that 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.719 team realized. You you move on a couple of stops 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.360 and then and then you end up with the Lakers, 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.880 and I think that's where, if you tell me, but 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.600 I feel like that's where your career really took a turn, 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.760 where you were respected also all of those things. But 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.280 then you get to the Lakers playing with Kobe explained 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.160 that journey to me and how everything changed for you, 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:45.040 especially perception wise of Ryan Art test Metal World Peace. 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:46.920 Once you went to the Lakers. Well, you know, it 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:48.880 actually started out with Sacramento. So when I got the 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.640 sack after Indiana and I was gonna retire actually like that, Yeah, 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.360 I put in my papers. So then I get the 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.920 Sacramento I go to Coach Otleman, I'm like, yo, Coach 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:00.440 Pounds right now, I'm really not intu and playing. I 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:01.800 was like, I don't want to make a big deal 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.080 out of this, but if you can somehow, you know, 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.480 keep me on the bench and you know I'll be there, 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.280 but I'm trying to ease my way out of this thing, right. 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.280 So he was like, he said, Ron, and I'll try 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.640 to go way out right. So he was like, he said, run, 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:15.760 We're gonna go as far as you take us. And 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:17.040 you plan to go into it, we gonna go as 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.720 far as you take. That's what Coach Adaman tells me. 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.479 So were in the last place in the West. So 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.560 so I go home that night and I started think 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.800 about it, put in perspective. I come back next day 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:27.720 and I said, you know what, We're going to the playoffs, 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.440 and like media laughed or whatever. We go to the 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.880 playoffs almost be the Spurs and the playoffs and then um, 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.880 but that right there, really you know, got got the 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.560 love back. And then just being around coach Adam and 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.520 he's like a father thing, So being around coach Adam 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.280 and you know, I was able to just like kind 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.080 of get the love and kind of respect the game more. 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.479 And then I wanted to play for him again. In Houston. Um, 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:48.960 you know, I kind of played pretty well there and 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.560 my game was coming back because I had a couple 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.520 of years where I wasn't even I got suspended. In 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.920 the next year, I got suspended again by the team. 0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.200 Nobody want to realize that I spend it again for 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.280 three months. Really yeah, but I was suspended for the 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.640 first few months of the season and the next year 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.240 so wow. Then I didn't play no more for the Pacers. 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.880 Then I went to a Sacramento So that's like two 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.120 years of like, you know, I was in shape right 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.720 before the bro you know, I was like so you know, 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:20.000 it was when I got to Houston. Then I was 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.240 like prime and I was average five and the playoffs 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.360 against the Lake and I was I was back to myself. 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.880 Then I go to the Lakes the next year in 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.600 my prime, I was twenty nine. But I'm playing with 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.000 the greatest and I'm playing with pal right. So with 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.200 that being said, my average going from drop to like 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.360 six and that was like that was all she wrote, 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.280 you know. But the thing but I really love about 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.680 that moment was I was able to take away the 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:49.040 entitled runout tests and sacrifice for the team and I 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.040 just did everything I had to do. I was spotted up, 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.520 you know, plenty of time just not touching the ball, 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.120 but I tried to do everything the right way and 0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.160 I was that was the most proud of I was 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.280 in my career because you I accepted, you know, something 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.200 I'm not used to when I started everywhere I went, 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.440 you know, I was like, don't you guy all this stuff? 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:08.920 And then I had to accept the role and I 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:10.840 was like, okay, now I'm in trying. I realized right 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:15.120 then and there, that's that's beautiful. It's it's important too. 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.360 I think people don't realize in order to have a 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.360 championship team, like guys are going to have to sacrifice 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.240 because the reality is if you don't have guys that 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:28.040 has to sacrifice something on the championship team, you don't 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.600 have good enough players and you won't win anyway, I 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.760 think we we you know, we had a similar thing 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:37.200 with with Andrea Gudala, who's obviously back, thank god. Um, 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:41.080 but where he's in the problem of his career and 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.040 it's Steve Kerr asked him to come off the bench. 0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:47.560 A lot like yourself. Um, he goes on. He you know, 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.000 he goes on to win the finals, m VP and 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.280 that finals, but a lot like yourself. You you you 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.760 take a back seat and then the person who has 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.480 to hit the big shot in game seven is you. 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.520 And if you don't take on that role, those moments 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.360 never happened. Lakers never win a championship. So it's it's 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:07.720 interesting to see the maturity absolutely, man, that was one 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.960 of my proudest moments, Like the maturity side. I got 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.240 a chance to actually see, you know, what it is 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:13.719 to be a role play. I've never been a role 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.600 play in my life, but I got a chance to 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.240 experience it. And now when I coached to this day, 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.400 I kind of understand, like, you know, a go to guy, 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.480 a role play. I coached girls also, and just having 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.200 that perspective on it, you know, on the game, I 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.960 understand like if you're really good, but hey, we need 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.320 you to sacrifice and you know what you're gonna it's 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.680 gonna be better for you in the long run. Um, 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.640 And I had a chance to win a title, you know, 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.560 which is like really really big if you can do it. 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.120 So I'm just I'm just so grateful for the Lakers. 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.000 It's as as definitely life changing. And it also, like 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.440 like I spoke on the peers before, it also changes 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.240 the way your peers look at you when when you 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:55.040 when you win that those NBA Finals, Yeah, different for sure. 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.080 But speaking of speaking of Game seven, you've been had 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.880 that moment, you had a huge moment. I'm a fan 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:05.480 growing up, so as growing up I always would cheer 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.239 for the Lakers because I loved Kobe and Shot. Then 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.280 obviously they split up and I'm like, man, I still 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.520 love Cobe. I love that dog. And then you go 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:17.279 hid at that moment in Game seven, and one of 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.640 the one of the one of the biggest moments I 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:24.440 personally think, uh from that moment was afterwards you you 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.080 you said you wanted to shout all your therapists and 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.839 that was a big moment because number one, we had 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:35.400 never heard um a guy come out and speak on 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:40.480 his therapists. Let alone, one of the toughest, uh no disrespect, 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.680 one of the most insane guys we've seen in our league. 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.360 And you come out and speak, speak on your therapist. 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.920 What gave you the confidence or made you want to 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.800 speak on that? That's actually you made a confidence because 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.520 at that time your most vulnerable states. One would take 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.440 that for weakness and things like that. And I just 0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.600 felt like the strength was in, you know, improving yourself. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.799 The strength was in being vulnerable, and and that's what's 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.760 gonna help other people, you know that's going through things 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.200 and don't really know quite how to get through it. 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.399 You know, when you're trying to improve yourself, that's big. 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.560 And I just wanted to give credit where credit was due. 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.919 That day in game seven, you know, we're playing against 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.759 the Celtics. Me and Paul got a long history, and 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.359 my whole thing was staying in the game, don't get 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.920 a tech, do not getting give again. Right. So the 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.320 night before that, I called my therapist. He lives in 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.759 Houston and um and and meanwhile I've been in I've 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.200 been ejected from my full playoff series against the Spurs 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.880 against the Laking with the Rockets against the Celtics, Indiana 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.680 against the the Pistons a game to go to the finals. 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:48.320 I get a flagrant, they hit, they they game is tied. 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.879 They go up for free throws, score and win by four. 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.239 Go to the finals and win. Right, So this is 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.640 like I'm like, how can I gain control over this? 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.440 So I call her up and I say, hey, I 0:35:58.480 --> 0:35:59.959 need you to come in the morning. I just don't 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.000 feel right. And she comes that morning. I go to 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:04.879 shoot around, I come back home. We have a quick 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:08.560 session and we just talked about it, like be ready 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.480 for anything and enjoy the game and stay in a moment. 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.759 And then we went to the championship, you know, which 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.080 is like crazy to me. I never thought I'd be 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.600 in a situation on the title after like my career, 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:22.799 and now I got this championship. I was just like, 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.600 you know what, let me just thinking my side my psychologist, 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.000 I said, psychiatrist. I didn't even know the difference. I said, 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.680 let me think myatrest. And she called me up and 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.160 she was like, hey, hey, Ron, I'm not a psychiatrist, 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:38.360 I'm a psychologist. I said, okay, cool, Sorry, what what 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.239 for for for those of us that that don't know 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.160 the difference, can you explain that. Yeah, the difference between 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:50.120 psychology and psychiatry. Psychiatrist or psychiatry, they normally provide, you know, 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:55.040 medication right on. My psychologist is more therapy talking over 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:57.799 and talking through something I was doing at that point 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.399 in time. I was doing psychology, which therapy UM, which 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.560 you later went to like sports therapy because for me, 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.879 the game was everything to me, um And how can 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:09.759 you you know, be effective on the court, I mean, 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.719 I focus, So that's like sports therapy, you know, And 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.520 I think sports therapy for a professional athletes like huge. 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.640 And like I said, it wasn't no no one spoke 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.080 about it before you did that. And I think you 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.080 kind of you you you pull the lid off some 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.200 things when you did that. Do you did you see 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:32.000 a change in the in the way the league started 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:34.960 attacking mental health after you did that, or do you 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:36.719 think it still took a while for the league to 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:38.680 kind of catch up? You know, I think it took 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.040 a while for them to catch up, you know, in 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.200 terms of making it public that we don't help our players, 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.000 and in terms of the players like I'm actually gonna 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.279 help myself and and I'm gonna help others, you know, 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.279 by just saying I'm doing therapy. Just by saying you're 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.600 doing therapy or whatever, I'm not saying forcing on yourself. 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.560 I'm saying if you're doing it, and you know, it's 0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.520 really expensive right to get therapy. Um. And also it's 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.760 a stigma chat. So it's just so many different things, 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.560 and there's so many cool things about people coming down 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.360 and saying, you know, yeah, I see a therapist. This 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.880 is okay. You know you're actually helping someone indirectly, and 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:12.719 maybe they never have to see a therapist because, like 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.240 I said, that's a hundred feet dollars, hundred dollars everybody, 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.560 I got a hundred dollars hour, you know to see 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:23.000 a therapist. No, No, that's that's interesting. It's also very 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:28.960 interesting that um, it's it's so expensive. And yet I 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.320 think for most people, like we all go through trauma 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.160 right in life, Like no matter who you are, you 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.040 go through some shorter trauma. Most of the times are 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:41.439 being unrealized or or undealt with trauma and you kind 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.120 of just learn how to compartmentalize it and continue to 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.600 carry on. A friend of mine has this his this 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.040 art piece, and I'm gonna butcher the saying a little bit, 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.800 but it's right along the same lines, and it says 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:58.160 something about, uh, why is a funeral so expensive? A 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.840 broke man ain't got no business line, And it's along 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:06.839 the same lines of therapy. It's like it's so expensive. Um. Yeah, 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:08.880 we go through all of this, all the all the 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.320 things that we go through in life. And the reality 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.399 is you go through those things, and you go through 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:19.799 those traumas. A lot of people, especially in the urban community, 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.000 we deal with these traumas and you don't have the 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.640 financial resources to get that therapy. On top of the 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.560 stigma that comes along with the therapy, you don't have 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.640 to financial resources. And now it's really a thing that 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:36.120 you never see. You never had an opportunity to to 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.879 speak with the therapist to correct those falster to learn 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.680 from those things, to learn how to deal with those things. 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.680 And then you're just stuck living that life right right, right, 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:47.520 you st living that life and you've probably seeing it. 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.719 We've seen it, you know, with the people we have 0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.000 living in our neighborhoods. Right just can't get out of 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.320 that rut, you know, and you you know you're walking 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.880 out your house, mean, you know, you know, once you 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.400 wake up in the morning. Something's bothered you, right, Like, 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.360 how can we you know, change that and give you 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.840 a different perspective on life where you can go on 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.840 with your life, you know. Uh, you know, when you 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.880 get educated, whether you're taking a trade, whether you want 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.200 to build a family, you know, different things like that 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.400 versus having you know, this blockage you know, which is 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.759 kind of mental health issues and mental health and you know, uh, illnesses, 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.600 whatever the case may be that's blocking you from you know, 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:24.759 moving on with your life and your career, you know, 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.239 and different things like that in your family. So I think, 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.040 you know, I just think it's very important that I 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.640 came out, um, you know, and and and definitely and 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.280 put some and gave some exposure and release the stigma. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.400 And speaking of the financial side of it. Uh in 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:43.680 the two thousand and eleven two thousand and twelve season, Uh, 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:47.640 you did something special. Uh, being in the position that 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.520 you were in financially, you did something special. Could you 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.200 let everybody know what it is that you did and 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.399 why did you feel the need to do that? Yeah, 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.160 it's I won the championship bringing I wrappled it off, 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.800 you know, and I wanted to. I could have probably 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.560 raised more money, but we raised a total of six 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.560 hundred and seventy one thousand with the ring that I 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.680 gave all the money away to mental health institutions uh, 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.959 one in Arkansas, one in Cleveland too, in New York, 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.040 l A, Indiana, Nashville, and I just wanted to bring 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.920 awayness to it and let people know, like, you know, 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.279 release the stigma. Uh, you know, improve yourself and you 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.279 know you have just you have support, like we understand 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.040 what you go through. You're not out there alone. Now 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:34.560 that's it's a beautiful thing. And I want to say 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.840 thank you for having the bravery that you had to 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.000 come out and speak on that. Now. I think we 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:45.440 have three mental health professionals now on staff. They're in 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:47.960 at least one of them and at least once or 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.760 twice a week. Uh. And I think it's a beautiful 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.759 thing because you you hear so many people uh in 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:59.440 our league go through it and so many people suppress it. 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:03.520 But I don't think people really realize, um, the mental 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.760 strain that it takes to go through an NBA season. 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:12.120 Like I always tell people, you a guy is saying, oh, yeah, 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.880 I'll do this to you in the leagual I'll do that. 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.280 I'm better than you. And I tell people you can't 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.640 even deal with the stress of just a game day, 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.719 like just knowing waking up at nine am, knowing I 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.400 have to get to shoot around. Then after shoot around, 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.520 I have film. Then after film, I'm doing some treatment. 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.759 I'm doing this all the things that lead up to 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.040 going into a game, the stress alone of just a 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.640 game that you couldn't deal with, so happen, the coach 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:40.400 of but not happening to coach up, gotta play engine 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.479 and not playing engine, and you gotta put in that work. 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.560 And you know when you tie, you you're gonna keep 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:46.759 pushing it. You're working out it sometime, you know. Yeah, 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.319 it is a lot that goes into it that makes 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:52.560 a complete player. It's true. People don't really understand. No, definitely, 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.120 So like I said, I just want to thank you 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.640 for that. Um but and and switching gears a little bit. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:03.520 Going back to your playing career, which, like I said, 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.000 I have the utmost respect for, especially as a defender. 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:11.280 Where do you rank yourself, um as far as wing 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.080 defenders go, Like, I know some great ones obviously I 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:18.640 mentioned stack Jack who YouTube strong as hell, Tony Island, 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:22.560 where where do you rank yourself among those wing defenders. Well, um, 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.239 it's like, so when I was doing my prime, I 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.600 definitely thought I was the best. Um you know, Um, 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.520 I mean I wanted defensive Player of the Year and 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.480 I probably would have won more, I guess. You know. Um, 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.600 you know, I can't argue about the woman I got suspended. 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.440 I don't know what would have happened that year. The 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:36.919 next year I got left in the end. I don't 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:38.759 know what had happened that year. But you know, with 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.400 that being said, Uh, it's something I'm really happy about. 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.160 I really love talking about it. You know what I'm 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:47.080 saying something only a few people could talk about. But 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.719 as I look back at it and I was doing 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.680 my research, especially when you came out to your comments, 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.440 I actually looked at um a lot of different wing defenders, 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:55.560 and I think Dennis Robin is probably the best wing 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.839 defenders that we've seen. You gotta go watch his take, 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.080 and I was like, I was looking at it and 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.400 I'm only familiar with him from the power forward position, 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.799 but the way he started Jordan and pipping, I was 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.719 just like, oh wow, this guy's might be a better 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.560 way defended than me. I've never thought he was a 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:13.400 better one differend than than me. You know. Um, but 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.480 I gotta I mean, Reggie Miller thought I was probably 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.240 the best. Um besides myself saying that I was the best. 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.880 You know, a lot of media probably never gave me 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.520 the credit because you know, I just want to keep 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:24.799 my name out of them out then I want to 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.400 give credit with credits, dude. Like for example, it's crazy 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.040 like once once. I mean, it's just so many times 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.840 people left me off. I'm like, come on, I'm not 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.480 even gonna argue with that. But with that being said, 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:38.319 you know, I didn't hold people to zero a couple 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:40.359 of times in their crime, you know, which is really 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.960 difficult to do. You know. Um, I got a lot 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.960 of d MPs, people not showing up, not showing up 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.319 to play. So I mean, I gotta put that all in. Uh, 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.640 you know, I gotta put that in, my baby. But 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.399 what that means that I would say, top seven maybe 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:57.840 something like that, top in the top seven. There's a 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.239 lot of people out there that's really good. Um. And 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.560 with you, when you came out with your comments and 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:04.759 it was interesting, it happened quick, right, so it was 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.239 a shot up when you came out of I mean, 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.919 you are so versatile. You should put yourself up there 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.120 because if I did what you did, I for sure 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.520 with us having number one, I mean you can played 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.400 the five, you played the three. You got championships to 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.920 back it up. You know what I'm saying. Many people 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.239 could say they're good, but you got championships and you 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:29.360 It's not like he was averaging thirty, right, and you 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.839 did have thirty five in game seven and agains the calf, 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:36.680 so you know you can, right, I don't I remember 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.680 that game like this was this doctor score two? Um? 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:43.439 You know, I mean you should definitely put yourself up there. 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.320 Obviously you got robbed me and you got um, you 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:50.120 got Bill Russell. It's it's difficult to say you number one, 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.320 but you got championships. So you know, I think what 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:54.959 it's all said and done it we should do something 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.160 on ourselves because so much, so many times the offensive 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.520 player is getting get the pub and as a defensive player, 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.439 I want to I want some pub. I just feel 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:05.919 about that, you know what I mean, Like I want 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.759 some puls Like so if I feel we should do 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:11.799 something on that, we should be talking about that, like 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.200 who are the best win differenders who are the best 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.000 defenders and really do something on it to bring light. 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.440 Like I spent all months in my career before I 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.080 was before. When I would practice the floor, I would 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.120 pick up a ball. The first forty five minutes was 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:26.600 running by myself, nobody in the gym. That's what I was. 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:28.960 I was a gym sliding doing my defensive slides, like 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.960 putting in that work. I wasn't just a good defender. 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.319 I actually had the train for it. And with that 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.920 being said, I take pride in that you know what 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.360 I'm saying, and I was happy when you came out that. 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:43.319 I was like, yes, like somebody's talking about defense. Findal least. 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:44.920 I was like, I think I tweeted that I only 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.239 be so, but I was like, really appreciative, are you 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:51.360 coming so? Yeah? Absolutely no, I UM. A part of 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.800 the reason I did say that was I think people 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.520 think I talked a lot, which I had my times 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.279 where I talked. But I'm very calculated and so when 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.279 I when I say something, I've already played out how 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.040 the response is going to be. Who's gonna say what? 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.640 Obviously you don't know exactly what someone's gonna say, but 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.080 like it's gonna cause us uproar, Like I'm already aware 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.839 of that. And when I said it, do I really 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.360 think I'm the best defender to ever play the game basketball? 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.640 Of course, not like we all get in situations that 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:25.120 may not be good for us as far as your weakness. 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:30.359 Like I definitely feel like I think, I definitely feel 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:35.399 like I'm the best defender in my era. But I mean, 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.800 like a guy who I have a ton of respect 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.080 for is Kauai Leonard, right, Like I think Kauai is 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.720 an incredible defender, but Kauai also doesn't guard the post, 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.360 you know, like Kauai is on the he's on the 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:49.919 premieres chasing guys around. You move the ball in front 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.440 of him, He's going the other way. Utmost respect for 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:56.120 Kauai Leonard, Rudy Gobert is a good defender, but like 0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:58.480 for me, Rudy Gobert, he protects the rim, you know, 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.920 Like he's not guard in the wing on you know, 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.279 he's not switching on to a point guard. He's not 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.439 switching onto a wing Uh if a point guard is, 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.799 it's getting off. His coach doesn't come to him and say, hey, 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.200 you take Dame Lillard, you know, or hey, you take 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.279 Chris Paul. You're starting the game on Chris Paul. And 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:17.960 so you know, those are are definitely some guys that 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.880 I respect. But you know, I respect Avery Bradley, who's 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.759 a ball you know, like never got the credit he 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:28.840 deserved a ball hawk and pssible to screen, Like for 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:33.319 myself as a screener, he's impossible to screen, and like, 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.600 I respect that. And so I think it's something that 0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:38.600 you know, when I speak up on defense, and I 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:42.080 continue to speak about it because I, like you said, 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:44.920 we deserve credit too, Like, all right, so you may 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:46.799 you may not be scoring the ball as much as 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.560 Steph Curry, right, but we all have an impact on 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:52.879 the game. And I always speak on people don't talk 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.680 about defense because you actually have to understand the game 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:59.359 of basketball to speak on defense, you know what I'm saying, 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.759 Like I can look at a guy and say, oh, man, 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.879 he was guarding such and such one, he was on him, 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.360 he ripped him, or um, you know, he was pressuring 0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.920 the ball. But I can also put that guy on 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.719 the back action and watch him miss every tag that 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:17.080 he's supposed to get on that big rolling down the lane, 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.600 and then you can run and say, oh, he's a 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:21.560 great defender because he's on the ball. No he's not, 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.160 because I can put him in a position that he 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.120 mess up y'all the entire defense. And so when I 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.120 said that, um, I was more so standing from the 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:34.680 standpoint a to spark a conversation. Let's get talking about 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.400 these great defenders, because now when I say I'm the 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.640 best defender, now we're talking about matters. Now we're talking 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.800 about around our test. Now we're talking about Scottie Pippen defense. 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.040 Now we're talking about Dennis Rodman. And let's let's make 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.920 sure these flowers are being given to who they should 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.640 be given to and not just someone who scored a basketball. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:54.880 And so that's how I always take it on the 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:57.560 defensive end, and I speak on it because I don't 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:01.040 think enough is said about it. And you, as you 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.280 and I both know, if you don't have a defense, 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.080 you can score as many points as you want. We 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.640 watched it with the Warriors for years, where they'd be 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:10.920 right up there at the top of the scoring in 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:14.759 the league and and would be bottom five in the 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.680 West because they didn't have a defense. And so I 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:20.640 always try to speak on that number one to start 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:24.640 the conversation. But it's also to pay respect and get 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.400 and get these names. Pumping to these guys who I 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:30.000 respect on the defensive end, that should be spoke about 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.879 yourself being one of them. I agree. And the team 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.000 defense is also important, you know, those those concepts and 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:38.799 you know, tagging and doing everything the right way, you know, 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.239 not coming out the corner when the coach told you 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:43.359 for the hundreds of time, you know, don't help out 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.640 the corner, and and filling and sinking on time. And 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.680 I mean it's beautiful, you know, I really, I truly 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.200 enjoy it, you know, And uh, it's something that I 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.760 try to, you know, teach to this day. I respect 0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.719 for sure. No, I appreciate it, man, and I don't 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:00.560 I don't want to take up too much your time. 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.440 Appreciate you coming on. But before I let you go, 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.879 I wanted to ask you about X versus X, which 0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.080 is a sport platform that you're involved in. Can you 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:14.000 explain that that to us and what what it can 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.160 bring to the game for players? Yeah, for sure. You know. 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.560 So when I retired, I didn't really want to retire. 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.200 I don't wanted to play so I said, I'm gonna 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.759 build an app for myself so I could travel with 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.000 the world and play basketball because I always wanted to 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.120 travel to the world, pay basketball something. What I was 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.520 gonna do is rather than give people my number and 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:34.560 say hey, let's meet at this gym or whatever, you know, 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:36.680 just signed to this app. He played basketball. I never 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.359 have to see you yet. And you know what I'm saying. 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:42.399 So as I was building this app, you know, trying 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:43.920 to world play basketball is like, oh wow, it's a 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.719 bigger opportunity here. There's also an opportunity for to help 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.480 people get exposure that you know will not have the 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.759 opportunity to get exposure because when you take a basketball 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.279 ten to two, it's like our basketball. I was, we're 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.440 gonna go to work, We're gonna you know, summtime, we're 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.680 gonna play ball, We're gonna lift. But not everybody had 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.759 those with some people gotta work, not five. So how 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:05.360 can you give someone working at Target to Starbucks an 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:08.840 opportunity to still play, you know, and to still get exposure. 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.520 So that's what experts X is. You know, it gainst 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:16.080 basketball players an opportunity to connect other basketball players. You know, 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:18.759 play basketball on any time and build you know, a 0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.279 local community and a local audience, you know, and and 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:23.799 show that you can play the game, you know, on 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.400 many different levels. And we got a lot of great stories. 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:28.680 Some people are gonna see a couple of our players 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.600 in the g League, you know, and it's very empowering. 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:34.399 So it keeps me around the game. You know, I'm 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.759 coaching a lot, you know, I'm running some games. I'm 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.759 coaching some games, practicing with some of the players you know, 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.160 we probably have. We're in beta right now, so we 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.000 got about ten thousand people in beta, and when we 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.880 come out of the beta, will probably be one of 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.000 the biggest basketball organizations in the world. You know. With 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.560 that being said, it's just like, keeps me around the game. 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.960 I love the game of basketball, and I'm so grateful 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:58.600 that I'm able to find something to do that keeps 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.439 me around the game. So I'm not really excited about it. 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:07.480 That's beautiful and um when as a basketball head uh 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:11.879 and huge basketball fan, when when can we expect uh 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.520 for this to be readily available to myself and everyone 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.279 else that's not a part of the beta? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:19.919 So right now we're in a we're in the live 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.160 beta because you can't go into a basketball company and 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:25.840 you have you know, your CTO test the game, like 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.920 you gotta get that information from basketball players. So it's 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.400 live right now. We're in a live beta, which is 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.640 risk because people will take your ideas. But this is 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:35.080 the type of company that you have to be in 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.879 a live beta and you you can download the app, 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:41.800 upload basketball content, uh, you know, create your own games, 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.640 and we're gonna try to you know. Uh. Really, what 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:49.280 we're doing is empowering, so digitizing competition and turning athletes 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.439 into digital assets, using all the new innovation that's out 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.440 there for an athlete to not only get exposure, but 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.560 to also monetize, you know, your own brand and your 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:02.160 own skills. So that's so what we're doing. Really excited 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:05.439 about it. And a lot of nice little nice tech 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:09.040 people involved, you know, from Elie Times invested in our company, 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:12.920 you know to see you Busmobile also involved, and we're 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:15.840 trying to actually create a platform that's very very empowering, 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:17.960 you know, just in case you know, you're not a 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.840 part of the politics. You can't get into a college 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:21.680 you want to get into, you can't get into that 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:24.080 team in the NBA. You want to get into you know, 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:25.799 so you come to actual sex and we kind of 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.120 help you, you kind of work through that. But I'm 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:32.520 just really grateful for it. That's beautiful man. Congratulations uh, 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.120 and and good luck with the platform. I'm looking forward 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.439 to testing it out. Now. One more question a lot. 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.360 I know I said i'd let you go. I'd be 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:44.040 remissed if I didn't ask this question. Um, as as 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.680 a fan of yours and also as a as a 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:50.280 fan of Ben Wallace, who's also like a big brother 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.960 to me. Uh. A little while back up, a photo 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.440 came out of you guys, of you and Ben, and 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:59.640 I thought it was a huge moment because I can relate, 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.520 and the reason I can relate is not quite the 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:07.279 same situation. Obviously there was a broad area. UM, but 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.960 I had something that happened public as well, publicly as well, 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.239 uh with myself and Kadi, And you know, you go 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.920 through these public moments and number one, UM, you may 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:21.719 want to talk to someone, you may want to have 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:25.919 a relationship someone, and the pressure that you're getting from 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:31.160 the public about this moment doesn't really allow We're not 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.319 to take place right and so um, whereas you and 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:38.080 been I don't know how long y'all had gone without speaking, 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.520 But then this picture comes out and it sparks this 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:44.120 whole conversation. I thought that was a huge moment because 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:48.200 for us as, especially for us as as young African 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:52.160 American men, and you know, it goes back to Queensbridge, 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:55.440 like it goes back to Saginaw, Michigan. It goes back 0:55:55.480 --> 0:56:00.960 to red Dirt Row, Alabama, for and Wallace, where we 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:04.240 grow up. We beef with the guy around the corner 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.160 or the guy around the way, and we never settled 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.280 that beef. And the only way it ever really gets 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:13.560 settled as by killing, by fighting, guys fighting over and 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:15.439 over again, and all of a sudden some guys goes 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.720 to prison or something, and that's how the beef settled. 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.359 But you never really see the beef settled. You never 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.560 see a photo coming out where two guys are standing 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:26.200 there and you're like, man, that's beautiful to see, or 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:31.760 a conversation um with myself and Kevin where everybody can see, 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:33.920 like man, those two guys are in the in the 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.160 room talking it out, Like man, I think that's a 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:41.439 great a great picture for our young especially for our 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:45.160 young black men to see. Yeah, definitely. You know that 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.520 that picture happened by action. I actually spoke to Ben 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.600 through direct messaging. Uh. I was trying to actually do 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:52.880 a podcast with him right before he became a Hall 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.880 of Famer. But uh, you know, but with that being said, 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:57.879 I thought it was big. I never had a problem 0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:00.160 with Ben. You know, Ben I found in He he 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.920 got sad, he pushed me. That's basketball, that happens, man. Um. 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:05.759 The only issue me in Ben had he was like 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.880 the best two defenders in the league for absolutely years. 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.279 That was like, and if you're Ben Wallace, you want 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.279 that award if you meet you know, I want that 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:16.280 a war too, And he got falls and I got one. 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:20.080 So I have a huge issue with that. But right 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.840 that's like the only issue other than that. I mean, 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.520 I love Ben like he's an amazing defender. Um, you 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.400 know he's writing about Adet. It's like, you know what, 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:31.000 I'm like, what's they'd not love about Ben? He's he's 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:35.040 never been in like trouble, He's a he's a great teammate. Um. 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.720 You know, it's nothing that I loved Ben person. But 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.000 he got four Defensive Play of the Year wards and 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:45.240 I got one, which which I understand. As someone who 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.760 also has one, I understand how hard it is to 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:52.200 get that a war So I get the frustration. It's 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:53.880 happened to me a couple of times, like I feel 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.600 like Kawai Leonard got one of my awards sitting on 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.120 his man to at home. I feel like Rudy Gobert 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.120 got one of my war are sitting on his mental 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:06.440 at home. So I definitely understand. Hey, but no matter again, man, 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.640 I just want to say thank you for coming onto 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.360 this podcast, for sharing your life. Um. You know, I 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:15.960 think you're a beautiful You're a beautiful person, You're an 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:21.400 incredible basketball player, and most importantly, you're a leader. And 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:25.000 the way you've led, uh for for for guys like 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:28.959 myself coming behind you raising awareness that that you raise, 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:31.640 putting your money where your mouth is and not only 0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:35.840 starting out awareness because I think so many times, UM, 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:39.920 people will start to raise awareness on something and then 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.080 they don't know how to carry the message through. Like 0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:45.040 once you've raised awareness, now it's time to put the 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:47.880 action to the awareness and carry the message through. And 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.840 you've done that. Um, Like I said, from my I 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:53.880 say this for myself, uh and for other guys. That's 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:55.800 in the lead today. Thank you for leading away the 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:59.360 way you have. We are truly appreciative for of you 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.120 and you you really set a path and this NBA 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:06.480 for guys to attack the things that they need to attack, 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:08.800 and we appreciate you. Now. Thanks a lot, man, I 0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:11.400 really appreciate being on you was Honna and you know, 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:12.960 just from and I just want to say, like, I'm 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:14.760 really proud of what you guys been doing over there, 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:17.280 just from a basketball perspective. You know, I don't know 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:18.720 a lot of you guys off the court. I watched 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:22.160 the games and very very impressive, very mature, and I 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:25.480 mean y'all changed the way the game UH should be playing. 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:28.240 You're changing with people thinking about the game, you know, 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.400 and so you know, kudos and you guys over there, 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:33.080 I don't know how it happened, and you guys are 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.560 just like incredible way. He's still back, so you know, 0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:37.400 much much much luck to you guys and success to 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:40.120 you your families and anything. Thank you, Thank you, brother, 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.400 and again good luck with X versus acts. I'm looking 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:45.680 forward to you on the platform. Appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, sir. 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:55.440 Once again, thanks to matter for coming onto the show. 0:59:55.800 --> 1:00:00.640 Uh and sharing all of the stories and the gems 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:05.000 uh speaking on his bravery and speaking out about mental 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:07.800 health long before it was even a thing. Obviously we're 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.600 all aware of it now, but long before it was 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.800 a thing. You're talking a guy in the biggest moment 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.520 of his life, on the biggest stage, speaking on his 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.240 therapists and the and the work that he was doing. 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.080 And so I was extremely grateful of his interview and 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:27.400 and just his transparency and sharing those stories because I 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:29.880 think it's it's needed. We all need to hear it 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:35.200 and understand um the dynamic around athletes as a whole, 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:38.840 and and how much of a strain it is on 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.840 your life. And no, granted, and I don't take it 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.320 for granted all it's a very special job to have 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.320 you you're doing what you're what you love for a living. 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.440 But just like anything else, it does have his challenges 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.960 and that that's gonna be a rap for this week's 1:00:56.960 --> 1:01:01.160 episode of The Draymond Green Show. At extremely excited about 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:03.360 next week as well. A guy who met her and 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:06.480 I actually spoke about and I mentioned being one of 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:09.800 the two guys, the strongest guys that I have faced 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:14.080 my first couple of years in the league. Extremely excited 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.560 to be welcoming one half of All the Smoke to 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:20.720 the show, Stack Jack Stephen Jackson. We're going to have 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.960 the honor of hearing some of his stories, uh here, 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:27.760 talking about his path, hearing about All the Smoke, all 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:30.520 of that next week. Tune into the Draymond Green Show 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:32.280 This week. It's a rap. Thank y'all.