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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Second hour of Clay and Buck gets

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Speaker 1: going right now, and you have a special guest joining us,

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Speaker 1: the one and only and Coulter. She is, of course,

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Speaker 1: the author of thirteen New York Times bestsellers and has

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Speaker 1: a substack and a syndicated column, So subscribe to a

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Speaker 1: substack for video content and her column. There, Miss Coulter,

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Speaker 1: I hear from a little, a little voice in the

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Speaker 1: background that it is your birthday, So happy birthday, first

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Speaker 1: and foremost of you. Thank you. Yes, that's because I

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Speaker 1: tell everyone weeks in advance, so we're pleased to be

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Speaker 1: part of your of your celebration today. So and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you. You know, we have these stories

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Speaker 1: going on every day now. It seemed at least Fox

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Speaker 1: is covering it. To Clay and I talk about it.

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Speaker 1: The border is so bad and so dystopian when it

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Speaker 1: comes to lawlessness, constant illegal crossings, and it's all really well,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say all, but it's primarily through asylum requests, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's not even Oh, if only we would catch

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Speaker 1: these people, they're turning themselves in in huge numbers and

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Speaker 1: saying I want asylum. None of them are going to

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Speaker 1: get asylum, but they're pretending like that this is the

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Speaker 1: whole scam. Then they get let into the country, they stay,

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Speaker 1: they don't get no one gets deported. Basically under Biden,

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Speaker 1: I thought there should be a bigger issue in the midterms.

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Speaker 1: Why don't people care more about this? Do they care

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Speaker 1: more about this? What do you think? Oh, it's a

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Speaker 1: huge vote getter. It's a problem though, getting Republican politicians

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Speaker 1: to talk about immigration, because, as you've heard me banging

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Speaker 1: on about for years, the donors want the cheap labor,

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Speaker 1: they want open borders the same way the left does,

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Speaker 1: and they got politicians years. I mean, that's what was

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Speaker 1: so great about Trump's two thousand and sixteen campaign. Once

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Speaker 1: the campaign was over and he won the election, everything

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Speaker 1: he was ever going to accomplish had been accomplished. And

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Speaker 1: that was just showing politicians. I don't care if the

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Speaker 1: Republican or Democrat the country ordinary voters, not the ones

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Speaker 1: who have billion dollars lobbyists in washings and are desperate

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Speaker 1: for there to be a wall on the border, for

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Speaker 1: illegal aliens to be deported, for there to be fewer

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Speaker 1: legal immigrants coming in. I mean, year after year after year,

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Speaker 1: Americans are pulled on this, do you want more immigration?

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Speaker 1: The same less immigration? They keep saying less, and the

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Speaker 1: politicians keep giving us more. So yeah, of course it's

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Speaker 1: a huge issue. The other reason doesn't really come up

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Speaker 1: much in the mid Germs was that the man who's

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Speaker 1: accomplished everything he was going to accomplish as of election

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Speaker 1: night two thousand sixteen, demanded that all these Republican candidates

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Speaker 1: um makes make the stolen two thousand and twenty election

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Speaker 1: there their number one issue. Now, I mean, clearly the

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Speaker 1: mid terms were crushed by Donald Trump. And oh, speaking

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Speaker 1: of which, I wanted my bet with m clay Traffts

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Speaker 1: please remind them of that. Well, what was the bet?

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Speaker 1: I forget? Which was this a new phone? Who's this?

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even sure what is the what

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Speaker 1: the herschel bet? Is this the he was herschel Walker? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was herschel Walker. I owe you, I owe you

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Speaker 1: a steak. I told Buck as we finished the first hour,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think I lost a big bet,

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Speaker 1: and but maybe she won't remember, and can I can

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Speaker 1: I ask you? You know, I put out a pole.

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Speaker 1: I was just curious. I put out a poll on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and it got like sixty thousand votes, which it's

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Speaker 1: not scientific, but a lot of people weighed in. Um,

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Speaker 1: and it was about responsibility for what happened specifically in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and I put herschel Walker, Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, or

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Speaker 1: just write in basically there a lot of people wrote

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Speaker 1: in with different responsible for the loss? What's the question? Responsible? Yeah? Responsive? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: responsive for the loss in Georgia. What how much does

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Speaker 1: leadership really matter? I mean, we had Kevin McCarthy on

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Speaker 1: McConnell probably than anyone else in American Like more than

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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy Pelosi or you name it is that

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Speaker 1: the problem? Does it make a big difference? How do

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Speaker 1: you see all that? Well? Coincidentally I wrote about in

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Speaker 1: my column this week. It went up yesterday morning. Um No,

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Speaker 1: there's no question Trump is one responsible for herschel Walker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like it was Herschel's lifelong dreams

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Speaker 1: was Trump who put out a statement. Um, oh, Herschel

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Speaker 1: He'll take that. He'll be unstoppable, just as he was

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Speaker 1: on the football field for my US football league. Run

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Speaker 1: Herschel run um And why why did he think? Why

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Speaker 1: did Trump think that Herschel Walker would be a fans

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Speaker 1: has to candidate everyone knowing he has you know, a

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Speaker 1: string of illegitimate children throughout this stuff. Well, he's a

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Speaker 1: fine guy. I did everything I could, by the way,

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Speaker 1: to lose that, bet Clay Travis, I was. I was

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Speaker 1: promoting Herschel. Obviously he's better than any Democrat. But why

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Speaker 1: was on Celebrity Apprentice and played for Trump's defunct football league.

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Speaker 1: That's how Trump picks candidates. Incoming bombs on this one,

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, sir, No, Look, I mean I worked hard,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have to. I will take you out to dinner.

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Speaker 1: Buck will probably be involved too, because I definitely lost.

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Speaker 1: I worked as hard as I could for Herschel to win,

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Speaker 1: same thing as you did. Anne. I wanted him to

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Speaker 1: win desperately. I was pretty crushed. I'm not gonna lie

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Speaker 1: that we lost Georgia, that we lost Nevada, that we

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Speaker 1: lost Arizona, that many of those candidates did. I think

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Speaker 1: the fact that erman one is maybe the biggest indictment

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Speaker 1: and also a further endorsement of the fact that if

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Speaker 1: just show up and vote party line. Because a lot

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Speaker 1: of Republicans split their ticket, you know. Uh, Brian Kemp

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Speaker 1: who was a well funded candidate, every other Republican one

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Speaker 1: they lost because they switched their vote. So Buck made

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Speaker 1: a good point. Uh, And I gave you credit for

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Speaker 1: this affagree with everything you just say, Okay, okay, you

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Speaker 1: would disagree with everything, all right, But but I made

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Speaker 1: a good point. Disagree all right, you had disagreed with

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Speaker 1: everything I just said. Tell you why you disagree with

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Speaker 1: I mean, clearly it was the candidate your own facts

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Speaker 1: say that, yeah Kemp one, um um sorry. Governor of Georgia,

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Speaker 1: whatever you say his name. Who are the two Republicans

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Speaker 1: Trump hates more than any other in the entire nation.

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Speaker 1: He spent money primarying the Republican governor of Georgia, and

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Speaker 1: the Republican governor of Georgia won that primary by fifty points. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the voters are trying to tell us we are done

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Speaker 1: with Trump saying. Yes, I'm saying, is Republican voters one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent Trump again? Because he was, he was encouraged.

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Speaker 1: It was one of it was Massiano, the guy running

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Speaker 1: say the stolen election. Master Rihanna was at that capital

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Speaker 1: on January sixth. He wanted to try women for murder

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Speaker 1: for having abortions. You're gonna run candidates like that. No

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Speaker 1: Oz could have won that. Master Riano dragged him. Then, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we agree on some of that. I guess what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is it's Republicans in many of these states

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Speaker 1: splitting their tickets that actually cost Republican candidates, right because

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Speaker 1: it's Trump. It's okay. So, but your your analysis is

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Speaker 1: that Trump is causing that to happen. So what I

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Speaker 1: they're not getting I think their tickets for governors or

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Speaker 1: attorney general, secretary of state. But if you're going to

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Speaker 1: keep pushing the ideas of this narcissistic moron infants, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're that. Republicans are going to keep saying, please, just

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Speaker 1: send us a normal Republican, please please. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I was shocked at how well, despite my bet with you,

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Speaker 1: I was rooting like mad for Herschel Walker um And.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Republican voters, you know, God bless them,

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Speaker 1: they kept Trump away this time. Um And and Kemp,

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Speaker 1: throwing bombs here. Buck had a thesis. I think he

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Speaker 1: OJ was found not guilty. We I did give her

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Speaker 1: credit because we sent her the cliff. Yes, that's right. Um,

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Speaker 1: So how do we break the woke virus in the

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Speaker 1: other than the double murder. It's a pretty cool cat.

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Speaker 1: He is pretty entertaining on Twitter, and that woke up.

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Speaker 1: That woken's the way it is now. Um, you know

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Speaker 1: exist yet, but oh it's white racism. And and that's

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Speaker 1: didn't work anymore, pulling this racism. Yes, and I've been

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Speaker 1: it gonna be? Maybe this Brittany Griner drave today. But

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Speaker 1: if you want to stop losing, because it really did suck,

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Speaker 1: this should have been a red wave your this should

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Speaker 1: have been a red tsunami. Way, you have to start

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Speaker 1: telling the truth to your listeners that Trump is a big,

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Speaker 1: fat loser. He lost fourty seats in the House for

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Speaker 1: his own election in twenty twenty when there was a

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Speaker 1: red wave across the country. Well, and I still have

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Speaker 1: So we just had On and Culture to have a discussion. Well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't get the nod. But Buck, you just you

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Speaker 1: just pretty eloquently laid out Trump's accomplishments. I think conservatives

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Speaker 1: have for a very very long time wanted someone Reagan

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Speaker 1: esque type who was the counterpuncher. Trump was the Rockefeller

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Speaker 1: wing of the Republicans. Gave us forty years in the wilderness,

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Speaker 1: and Trump was completely unafraid of opposition, of the media,

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Speaker 1: of anything and everything that was thrown at him. So

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Speaker 1: if Anne is comfortable aligning herself with the Lincoln Project,

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Speaker 1: the National Review, that can say something because you're eloquent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're eloquent on this issue, and we appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: you know, weighing in on what everything you've said. I

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Speaker 1: just to be clear, there are people that became so

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Speaker 1: anti Trump that they abandoned the right. Anne is not

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Speaker 1: one of those people. She's just anti Trump. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: she doesn't go on CNN and do the whole Oh,

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Speaker 1: everybody should go vote for Raphael Warnock or whatever. We've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of never Trump. Ye. Just now, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying you're necessarily saying that, but I'm saying there

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Speaker 1: are some people on the right who haven't sold out

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Speaker 1: their principles. They just don't think Trump is the future.

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Speaker 1: But um, I think look on the counterpuncher point, your

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Speaker 1: Trump had that in a way that we've we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen anybody on the Republican side really in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Trump is fearless and that is what attracts you and

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Speaker 1: me and many people to him. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: Trump is infallible or that he deserves to not have

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Speaker 1: to win the twenty twenty four And I think Buck,

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Speaker 1: you made a good point. Trump wouldn't have been Trump

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Speaker 1: if he didn't go through the eighteen or nineteen contenders

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Speaker 1: to the actual title fight. Tom Brady doesn't get to

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Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time, he still has to

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Speaker 1: what do you got for us? Hey, guys, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm tired of hearing about these people. Immediately they're

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Speaker 1: gonna blame Trump, and I blame the Republican establishments, especially

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Speaker 1: Mitch mcconnal. There's no leadership in the Senate and you're

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Speaker 1: talking about blaming him for twenty Sorry to cut you off, David,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about blaming them for twenty twenty two results. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean these guys should have been there's no leadership

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. They should have been there in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: They should have had all these guys they're pushing. They

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Speaker 1: were laid on everything. The financing was going in the

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Speaker 1: wrong play. He's pulling financing on these things. And if

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Speaker 1: he would have won, he would have given himself credit

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Speaker 1: to leadership. The redistricting killed us. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: fought hard enough. The establishment, the governors in these states

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Speaker 1: that killed us. We had so many house races that

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Speaker 1: were close that we lost and we still got seeds.

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Speaker 1: So we did all right. But that come at Trump.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing Mitch McConnell opposed. You know, legan

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Speaker 1: back in the Tea Party there established me. You know

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Tonans. It's just they

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Speaker 1: want to go they want to blame everything on Trump.

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Speaker 1: What about O Day, They're they're back candidate Colorado, I

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Speaker 1: got slaughtered. Look, so you're you're with I. Try, By

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Speaker 1: the way, I was trying to get this into end,

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Speaker 1: with radio is if you try to talk over or

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Speaker 1: you know, it just turns into cross talking. We want

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Speaker 1: to respect our audience's ability to hear everything that's being

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Speaker 1: said all the time. But I was gonna say, what

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Speaker 1: about Mitch McConnell, because a lot of people are upset

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Speaker 1: about Mitch McConnell. But that's a topic. Will return to

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Speaker 1: one more before we go to break. By the way,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred two two two eight two, we're lines wide open.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you across the country on

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Speaker 1: this Eddie in Virginia. What do you got, Eddie? How

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Speaker 1: are you doing? We're great? Uh? You know, I I

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Speaker 1: like Trump and I liked the policies, and I voted

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Speaker 1: Frame and UH, but I got admit with uh and UH.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he uh should run again because everything's

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Speaker 1: gonna be brought back to the stolen election and everything back,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's getting tired of it. I'm getting tired of it.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of my friends are getting tired.

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Speaker 1: Who would you who would you vote for? Because you're

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Speaker 1: speaking I think for a certain segment of the population

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Speaker 1: as well. Do you have a favorite candidate in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four? Right now, you're a Trump guy, but you're wavering.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming you would like buck an eye vote for

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Speaker 1: Trump if he's the nominee in twenty four. But before

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Speaker 1: we get there, there's a primary race. Who is your

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Speaker 1: guy or girl? Do you have somebody that you would

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Speaker 1: prefer to support? I like the scientists, A probably a

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Speaker 1: cruise if he went in on it. Let's look. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for calling it, Eddie, And like we said, we

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Speaker 1: lines are lit, phones are blowing up, email boxes are

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Speaker 1: filling up. Tell us what you think about this, because

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Speaker 1: And we are joined now by media giant. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to be referred to that one day radio industry veteran

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Speaker 1: Jeff Smalleyan. He has done an amazing job as the

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Speaker 1: CEO of MS Communications. He's got a brand new book,

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Speaker 1: Never Ride a Roller Coaster, Upside Down, the ups downs

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Speaker 1: and reinvention of an Entrepreneur. And I love this, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for coming on with us. You say

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Speaker 1: there's a fine line between a genius and an idiot.

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Speaker 1: Some people would say we walk that line, sometimes straying

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Speaker 1: in both directions on this radio program every day. What

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Speaker 1: have you found in business about that fine line? Well,

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Speaker 1: I've said you know that there is a fine line,

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Speaker 1: and I've been on many side, many times, both sides.

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Speaker 1: In the book, I have a chapter Idiot to Genius,

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Speaker 1: first all sports radio station. And all of our guys

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Speaker 1: said it was the single stupidest idea of all time.

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Speaker 1: Jim Lampley called it the Vietnam War of mmas and

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Speaker 1: it was kind of a disaster. And since it was

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Speaker 1: my baby, I got needled about it. They called it

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Speaker 1: Smollion's folly. And then one day it turned around. We

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Speaker 1: put down iMOS on the air, we had Roussou and Francessa,

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Speaker 1: and the next day it was a national success. And

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Speaker 1: I went from idiot to genius. And then after that

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Speaker 1: we bought the Seattle Mariners, and I was kind of

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Speaker 1: the boy wonder out there and I was signing autographs

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Speaker 1: marketing and the new look of the team. And I

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Speaker 1: was a genius. And then when it didn't work, I

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Speaker 1: became an idiot. And I always said, there's nothing worse

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Speaker 1: than being an idiot in front of forty thousand people

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Speaker 1: every night. So that's what's ahead, Go ahead, jo Jeff

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Speaker 1: no I just said, that's what I've learned about life.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's a roller coaster. Sometimes you win, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you lose. You just kept to, you know, grit your

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Speaker 1: teeth and smile through all of it. If someone's coming

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Speaker 1: up to you and they say, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I want to either start a business or take a

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurial shift or elevation. If someone's like, I want to

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Speaker 1: do this, ya, how do you advise them? Because I

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Speaker 1: know we've got a lot of people listening who maybe

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Speaker 1: already have a business or thinking about starting a business,

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Speaker 1: and they might sit back and say, oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: should I really do this? What do you say when

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Speaker 1: people come up to you with somebody who would have

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Speaker 1: tried things and had big successes but also taken big risks. Well,

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Speaker 1: And that's why I wrote the book. I think, listen.

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Speaker 1: I think if you believe in something and you love it,

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Speaker 1: and you're willing to put it all on the line

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Speaker 1: and have that kind of passion, I think you can

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Speaker 1: be successful. You aren't always successful, but I think you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you want to do something you care

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Speaker 1: passionately enough about it, you gotta do it. You started

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Speaker 1: sports talk radio, and people out there listening know that

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Speaker 1: I came from the sports talker radio universe. You also

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Speaker 1: owned the Seattle Mariners. At one point, I'm curious, Buck

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Speaker 1: and I were just talking. This De Santis versus Trump

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Speaker 1: battle reminds me of Alabama versus Auburn. It reminds me

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Speaker 1: of Ohio State versus Michigan conversations that can take place

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Speaker 1: depending on those marketplaces every single day. Yankees Red Sox

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Speaker 1: is another good one where that rivalry is so passionate

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Speaker 1: it fuels the conversation all the time. What did you

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Speaker 1: dream about it, But what was it like owning a

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Speaker 1: pro sports franchise? Well, I'm one of my favorite lines

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Speaker 1: with somebody once said every man in America wants owned

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Speaker 1: City Royals, but if you had a good paper route,

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Speaker 1: it was just the economics were widely different in those days.

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Speaker 1: situational music, movie clips and contests and games you see

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Speaker 1: everywhere now, but it was absolutely revolutionary. Then we're speaking

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Speaker 1: to Jeff Smally and he's the founder and CEO of

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Speaker 1: MS Communications. His book is Never Ride a Roller Coaster

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Speaker 1: upside Down. Good advice by the way, the ups downs

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Speaker 1: and reinvention of an entrepreneur. Jeff, what are you? What

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Speaker 1: are the trends that you see right now in media?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking to you right now on radio

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Speaker 1: stations across America. But we also have websiteclanbock dot com.

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Speaker 1: We've got podcast going, We've got streaming video. You know,

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Speaker 1: Clay built a sports digital sports business at OutKick. We

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Speaker 1: both do hits on TV at Fox. And you know,

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Speaker 1: what do you see as the trajector right now? I mean,

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Speaker 1: streaming is a big part of the conversation. Subscription service

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Speaker 1: is a big part of the conversation, where do you

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Speaker 1: see it all going? Well, it's all fragmented so much,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the biggest challenge of streaming

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Speaker 1: Spotify went into podcasting, you know, so they didn't have

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Speaker 1: if you if you follow the streaming services and video.

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Speaker 1: There's a big question as to whether the regional sports

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Speaker 1: We have, you know, three hundred forty million people and

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Speaker 1: everybody's got you know, fragmented places they go and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to know how it'll shake out, only that it's

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Speaker 1: totally different and you have to sort of be flexible

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Speaker 1: enough to adapt. I think you guys have done a

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Speaker 1: brilliant job, you know, putting your content in a lot

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Speaker 1: of different places. It may work in some places, it

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Speaker 1: a lot of different things. We get the question a

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Speaker 1: lot Jeff, and I appreciate you coming on in the

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Speaker 1: book sounds really fascinating. If you were talking to a

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Speaker 1: important thing they should be learning in order to train

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Speaker 1: themselves going forward. Well, again, I think there's two things.

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Speaker 1: I think number one, the most important thing is your

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Speaker 1: word when you work with somebody, If you if they

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Speaker 1: that helps you an awful lot in any enterprise. I

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Speaker 1: don't care whether it's you know, starting a job, or

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Speaker 1: being married, or having kids or having friends. I also

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Speaker 1: think again, you have to have the passion I tell

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Speaker 1: people starting out, when you get a new job, volunteer

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Speaker 1: for more stuff. People can count on you. And the

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Speaker 1: out and do things, the more you move up you

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Speaker 1: know the food chain. No doubt, the book is fabulous.

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Speaker 1: We need to have you on maybe somewhere down the line. Again,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate all the support you've shown for this show,

687
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Speaker 1: and we would encourage everybody out there to go make

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Speaker 1: sure that they check it out the book again, Never

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Speaker 1: ride a rollercoaster upside down, the ups downs and reinvention

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Speaker 1: of an entrepreneur on the way out. I'll let you

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Speaker 1: say this, you obviously have an incredible, uplifting sort of

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Speaker 1: mindset about you. How much of your success do you

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Speaker 1: think is internal based on the energy that you put

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Speaker 1: out into the world for everybody out there in terms

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Speaker 1: of their own lives. Well, I think it's internal because

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Speaker 1: I think you have to have a sparkle though I've said,

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Speaker 1: somebody said, what's it take to be an entrepreneur? I said, Look,

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Speaker 1: we're all the entrepreneurs of our own lives. You know that,

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Speaker 1: we really are. I think part of its internal. Part

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Speaker 1: of it is I've been fortunate to work with people

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Speaker 1: my whole career who I just love and who make

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Speaker 1: me look smarter than I am every day, and that

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Speaker 1: helps a lot, no doubt. Jeff Smallon is the author.

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Speaker 1: We encourage you to go check out his book. Thank

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Speaker 1: There are some areas, Clay where I can assert a

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Speaker 1: degree of uncredential but absolute expertise. I have the equivalent

739
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Speaker 1: in my mind, at least of a PhD. In action movies.

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Speaker 1: I grew up. I had VHS tapes that I watched

741
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Speaker 1: until they were falling. Apart of all the Schwarzenegger movies,

742
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Speaker 1: all the all the the Stallone movies, I was more

743
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Speaker 1: of a Schwarzeneger guy. I'm gonna be honest, um, but

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Speaker 1: you know, Young Guns with him, I find Emilio Estevez

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Speaker 1: one of the finest movies of the eighties. His finest

746
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Speaker 1: a very underrated western for what it is, also really

747
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Speaker 1: good both of those. Yes, Young Guns was an excellent franchise.

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Speaker 1: I think there was there a third one I remember now,

749
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Speaker 1: but remember if there was a third. But also all

750
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Speaker 1: the all the various martial arts action movies. You know

751
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Speaker 1: Van Dam. I celebrated Van Dam's whole catalog, and he's

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Speaker 1: a very interesting character, as we see later on in life.

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Speaker 1: I bring all of this up because Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Lawrence has come out to say that she was the first,

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Speaker 1: and you know, like, isn't she from Is she from Nashville?

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Speaker 1: What's with all these novel I believe, Oh Louisville. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I thought she's a Kentuckian. Yeah, so he's a talk

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Speaker 1: so close close by, So you know, you have to

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Speaker 1: take you and your folks here in that region, have

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Speaker 1: to take responsibility, all responsibility for sec state. She manigans.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Yeah, you know, because she's lovely,

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Speaker 1: but her politics not so good. She spoke out in

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Speaker 1: an interview in Variety and she said that she will

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Speaker 1: nobody ever put this is the quote, nobody ever put

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Speaker 1: a woman in the lead of an action movie because

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't work, because we were told girls and boys

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Speaker 1: can both identify with the male lead, but boys cannot

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Speaker 1: identify with a female lead. I'm sorry, but Ripley from

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Speaker 1: Alien and Aliens would like to have a word among

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Speaker 1: other female action. I'm sorry Linda Hamilton and Terminating one.

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Speaker 1: In Terminator two. You know, if you're gonna mouth off

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Speaker 1: and try to get social justice points or whatever wokeness points,

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Speaker 1: don't don't make it so easy for us, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Come on, it's also disappointing. I would

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Speaker 1: say only in the context of if you are a

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Speaker 1: movie buff, to say nothing of a movie star, you

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Speaker 1: would think you would have seen Aliens in Terminator because

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Speaker 1: they're two of the most iconic films of that of

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Speaker 1: the set. I think Aliens is one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the ten best action movies of that of that period. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think Aliens Aliens come out like eighty one. Oh

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Speaker 1: and no Alien came out I think idiot. I think

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Speaker 1: Aliens was later like eighty five or eighty six. But

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Speaker 1: the team can check for us. But yeah, Sigourny Weaver

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Speaker 1: was phenomenal nineteen I was thinking even maybe late seventies.

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Speaker 1: But both of those are nineteen eighties or late seventies

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Speaker 1: iconic films right um, And to not be familiar with

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Speaker 1: those is embarrassing for Jennifer Lawrence, who seems totally normal

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Speaker 1: and also simultaneously, Oh, Alien didn't come out until nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six, Okay, so that was like later than I thought.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a I'm not a Quentin Tarantino fan.

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Speaker 1: For example, like I don't like most of the Yes

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Speaker 1: until Kill Bill, I think is actually his most watchable

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Speaker 1: movie for what it is, and h and Kill Bill.

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Speaker 1: Uma Thurman is excellent. That Laura Croft Laura as in

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Speaker 1: Missus Travis Laura Croft, the tomb Raider movies. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so many, it's just but this thing even she's

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Speaker 1: made clay, She's made tens of millions of dollars and

799
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Speaker 1: you know, she's won she won the Genetics Lottery. She's

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Speaker 1: quite lovely and you know, physically, and she's got a

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Speaker 1: whine and complaint and make it seem like women have

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Speaker 1: it so hard in films. Really, that's where we're going.

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Speaker 1: Now give me a break, let me clarify this, because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get blown up. Alien came out in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine. Aliens came out in nineteen eighty six, which

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Speaker 1: I believe was the sequel, right, so so Ripley nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine the original Alien, and I think also Aliens

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Speaker 1: one of the best sequels of all time up there

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Speaker 1: with Terminator two, the Godfather to Aliens is an enhancement

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Speaker 1: to the franchise. Unfortunately it went substantially downhill from there.

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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to think about all the different women

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Speaker 1: action leads. They've actually been so many of them. It's

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Speaker 1: a willful ignorance. And also, I would say this, I

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Speaker 1: don't know who did the interview and who did the story,

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Speaker 1: but this is also an example of just totally if

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Speaker 1: you're writing about movies. When she said that as the interviewer,

817
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Speaker 1: there should have been some pushback, and there should have

818
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Speaker 1: been like, well, you know, Sigourney Weaver, pretty big deal,

819
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Speaker 1: and and you're kind of stepping on Linda Hamilton and

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Speaker 1: what she did an Terminator. Those are big female led

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Speaker 1: action movies. I mean, for some some folks may even

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Speaker 1: remember from the Conan the Barbarian era Red Sonja, which

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Speaker 1: I think was a B movie, but she's swinging a

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Speaker 1: sword around and stuff. Hey, I was a big he

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Speaker 1: man guy. They did bring out Shira to try to

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Speaker 1: appeal to all and they made a movie about it too.

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Speaker 1: I think wasn't there was it the Bionic Man or

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Speaker 1: the Bionic Woman? Or was there both. I think they

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Speaker 1: did both. I think they did both too. So this

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Speaker 1: this is dat. It's ridiculous. But ever, you Clay, it's

831
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Speaker 1: not enough to be rich and famous. You have to

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Speaker 1: also be beloved for your political stances these days, which

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Speaker 1: is just a shame. Do your kids, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the boys do they like the Hunger Games? Is that

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Speaker 1: a thing still? The people read we haven't watched any

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Speaker 1: of the Hunger Games. I think those are to be

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Speaker 1: fair like kind of r rated, aren't they. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're pretty I think so. I'm having The Hunger Games

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm pretty hungry. I'm gonna get a sandwich.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad move. And it's pretty good movie.

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Speaker 1: By the way, The Hunger Games. That disappointing because I

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Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lawrence in that film.