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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, this episode one eight of a Hambor Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brad Roland, coming to you on a

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon like a warm blanket and our usual time slot,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by Scott Coleman. Scott, Hello, are

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Speaker 1: you hey, Brad?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. We have almost officially hit the start

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Speaker 2: of free agency in Major League Baseball. Maybe by the

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Speaker 2: time people listen to the show, we will have officially

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Speaker 2: begun free agency. But here we are, and hopefully we

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Speaker 2: have a very busy and impactful offseason ahead for the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're recording this, it's like, you know, four

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Speaker 1: or five pm Easter Time on Sunday, we are pretty

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Speaker 1: much exactly twenty four hours from the start a free agency,

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Speaker 1: which is five pm Eastern Time on Monday the fourth.

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Speaker 1: We should also set it off the show as we

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Speaker 1: always do that. We are part of the Fault Territory

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Speaker 1: network of podcasts. Please go ahead and check us out

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of a big time although we're not

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Speaker 1: quite all the way in that. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: look ahead on this podcast. But first, there were a

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Speaker 1: couple of transactions in the last couple of days, one

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Speaker 1: of which I did an emergency podcast on with our

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Speaker 1: colleague Stephen Tolbert, and that was the train of for Hyesilayer.

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Speaker 1: So I've already offered my opinion, but I have to

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Speaker 1: just see you up here, Scott. Do you have a

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Speaker 1: blazing hot take on more haesel Laier situation or was

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Speaker 1: this kind of what we said with Stephen and I?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you and Steven did a nice job

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Speaker 2: outlining the deal a couple of days ago, and you know,

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Speaker 2: as it became more and more apparent to me and

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Speaker 2: I think most fans that it was going to be

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Speaker 2: really difficult to carry solaire Ozona and Ronald Acunya junior

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Speaker 2: next year, coming off his second knee surgery in three years,

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Speaker 2: pretty much.

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Speaker 1: And it's a.

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Speaker 2: Shame that Jorge could not play a more serviceable outfield

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Speaker 2: because the guy can still really hit man.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: The idea of having solaire in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: Braves lineup next year with a healthy Acunya and Riley

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Speaker 2: and Olsen and Ozuna and Harris the guy can still

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Speaker 2: really hit, unfortunately, as we all kind of were surprised

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Speaker 2: by when they said, yeah, he's gonna play outfield every night. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jorge Hilaire is a DH and it's just you couldn't

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Speaker 2: make the puzzle pieces fit with Ozuna especially. It was

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Speaker 2: tough to It was tough to piece everything together with

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Speaker 2: Jorge in Atlanta. Still, and hey, the Braves saved a

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Speaker 2: few dollars in the process, not even a few dollars,

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Speaker 2: quite a few dollars. And we'll see if they have

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Speaker 2: Griffin Canning and their long term plans, but I think

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Speaker 2: there might be something there, And now the Braves have

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Speaker 2: some real more flexibility with the DH and the outfield

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Speaker 2: now as the off season really gets going over the

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Speaker 2: next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: We did that show in the afternoon pretty quickly, trying

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Speaker 1: to react as fast as possible. So we didn't know

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Speaker 1: at the time. We still don't know, but we thought

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Speaker 1: there might have been a chance that the Braves might

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Speaker 1: just kind of announce that they were going to move

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Speaker 1: on from Griffin canning at some point and they didn't

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Speaker 1: do that. They still could, but we'll see. And the

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Speaker 1: one thing I did want to say about the deal

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Speaker 1: that we didn't get to mention quite in specific turn,

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Speaker 1: because I think you're right about all of that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of fan reaction, but you know,

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Speaker 1: a reasonable fan reaction that was like, look, this lineup

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Speaker 1: is way better with Horayce Hilaire in it, and I

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Speaker 1: know you said the same. I don't think Steven and

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Speaker 1: Loaugh were disagree with that at all. Like I think

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Speaker 1: it's honestly pretty I don't know if it's likely, but

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Speaker 1: certainly possible that whoever plays starting left field on opening

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Speaker 1: day for the Braves in April is not going to

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Speaker 1: be a better hitter than Horayce Hilaire. So if you

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Speaker 1: just list the players in order, which people love to

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Speaker 1: do with their lineups. People love to just list the lineup,

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Speaker 1: it might look worse, but you have to take it

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Speaker 1: into account, Like his defense was at the point where

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Speaker 1: we don't like to look. Hitting is more important for

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent of vision players in my opinion, honestly,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's out on the deal, but certainly understandable of nothing else.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to love it. It was I saw

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I saw that was in response,

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Speaker 1: But it was like, well, this is just a cheap

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Speaker 1: move by the Braves. It's like, not really, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's going to be the case. And we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about this again later on in this show actually, as

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Speaker 1: we talk about for agency. But I think my operating assumption, Scott,

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Speaker 1: and I'll ask you this, it feels to me that

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Speaker 1: the Braves are opening up flexibility, not trying to save money.

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Speaker 1: And Alex said very plainly on his exit interview, and yes,

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Speaker 1: I understand he's he could potentially be misleading people with

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Speaker 1: even try to equivocate. He was essentially saying payroll is

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Speaker 1: going to go up next. He didn't say flat, he

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Speaker 1: didn't say it might go up. He was like, payroll

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Speaker 1: maybe it won't. That will come to pass, but for

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Speaker 1: now I have to kind of take that out as war,

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Speaker 1: which means, yes, you saved money on so layer, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just to save money. This is not the pirates,

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Speaker 1: like you're trying to use that money else, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's this weird notion that the Braves

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Speaker 2: are cheap where the Braves don't spend, and I mean

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Speaker 2: pretty consistently they have been in the top five, top

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Speaker 2: this was more about figuring out a way to piece

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Speaker 2: some legitimate uncertainty with Akunya. It wasn't about salary dumping.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't about it wasn't a one for one talent

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Speaker 2: proposition with Griffin Canning because obviously Jorge Slayer is a

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Speaker 2: better baseball player than Griffin Canning is. But again, I

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Speaker 2: would encourage folks if you didn't listen to that episode

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Speaker 2: about the DH and the outfield a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I think you and I and Steve and just kind

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Speaker 2: of talked through it quite honestly, and just kind of

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Speaker 2: came to different conclusions about what they should do. But

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Speaker 2: now I think the big question is does Alex feel

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Speaker 2: like internally they have a good enough outfield with Jared

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Speaker 2: he's ready to go, and of course Michael Harris or

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Speaker 2: is he going to go out and add an impact

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Speaker 2: kind of the first domino that needed to follow by

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Speaker 2: trading sol Air, and now it's really to see what

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Speaker 1: Is thinking with the outfield. Yeah, and we won't put

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Speaker 1: that in full on this show, but you're right, there's

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Speaker 1: a decision to be made there. And even if they

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Speaker 1: in some way, Like they could try to turn around

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Speaker 1: do that if they think that they could be positive

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Speaker 1: trade value there. You could maybe be bought from Jared Keelnick.

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Speaker 1: There's things they can do if they want to do that.

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Speaker 1: But there is some uncertainty and there there was always

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Speaker 1: going to be and now it's just kind of different

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Speaker 1: uncertainty after they've moved on from Oresler and that deal

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Speaker 1: again I talked about with Steven. You and I and

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Speaker 1: Steven talked about the situation. So those are still in

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Speaker 1: the archive. If you're a new listener, police go head

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the show and also listened to the back catalog,

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Speaker 1: as they are very relevant discussions at this point in time. Scott,

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Speaker 1: I also want to get into the headline grabbing moves

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Speaker 1: from Saturday. We normally would honestly spring into action with

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Speaker 1: the Mergency podcast, but it was Saturday afternoon, and these

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Speaker 1: two players are also on the team, and they were

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Speaker 1: already going to be on the team, so it's not

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Speaker 1: like a huge splash, but it is very newsy and

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Speaker 1: interesting that the Braves essentially came to two different agreements

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Speaker 1: here with Aaron Bummer and then also with Real Lopez.

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Speaker 1: Bummer is polarizing, We'll say. When Alex said that they

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Speaker 1: were planning on picking up his option, you and I

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Speaker 1: kind of immediately came to his defense on that decision,

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Speaker 1: because Bumber was quite good in our opinion and by

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Speaker 1: the stats last year, and Brace fans don't love Aaron

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Speaker 1: Bumber for whatever reason. But even putting that to the

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Speaker 1: He gets a deal that's two years and thirteen million

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Speaker 1: which we'll come back to, but it's three and a

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Speaker 1: half million in twenty twenty six. Previously he had club

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Speaker 1: options for a little bit over seven million this year

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Speaker 1: and a little bit over seven million again next year.

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Speaker 1: Both those are club options, so they're not guaranteed at all.

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Speaker 1: So the basically what happens here is that Bummer took

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Speaker 1: of the transaction, because it was probably the one that

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Speaker 1: of the least amount of change. But Aaron Mummer two

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Speaker 1: years guaranteed. We like Aaron Bummer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we like Aaron Bummer. The front office

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Speaker 2: likes Aaron Bummer clearly by guaranteeing him thirteen million dollars.

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Speaker 2: The only person I'm not sure who loves Aaron Bummer

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Speaker 2: and his opinion really matters is Brian Snitker. Yep, because

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Speaker 2: snitt never went to Aaron Bummer in high leverage this

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Speaker 2: past season, and that was a little weird. Now, I

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Speaker 2: get it. Bummer had a couple of blow ups early

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Speaker 2: in the year, but guess what, No reliever is perfect.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to have eight Mariano Riveraz or prime

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Speaker 2: Craig Kimbrel in your bullpen. And on the whole, Bummer

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Speaker 2: was one of the best left handed relievers in all

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Speaker 2: of baseball. And that's just not you know, my opinion

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Speaker 2: or your opinion. I mean, statistically speaking, Bummer was one

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Speaker 2: of the better lefty relievers in the game last year,

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Speaker 2: and he's had a track record of being successful in

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Speaker 2: the past with the Chicago White Sox. So really, it

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Speaker 2: was pretty clear that the Braves are going to pick

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Speaker 2: up Bummer's option. Alexanthopoulos said as much in his end

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Speaker 2: think it just kind of reinforces that the club obviously

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Speaker 2: likes Bummer. And really the most interesting thing on this

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Speaker 2: and on the Renaldo Lopez deal, is how they have

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Speaker 2: seemingly pushed some of the money back where they are

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Speaker 2: trimming payroll in twenty twenty five. By just the three

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Speaker 2: and a half million this year for Bummer and then

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Speaker 1: Monday's a really a big day in baseball. It may

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Speaker 2: maybe it's not a guarantee that there's no drama on

431
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Speaker 2: Monday when these deadlines hit, but I think it'll be

432
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Speaker 2: a relatively procedural day for the team.

433
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Speaker 1: And Alex does like to work quickly. I mean, we

434
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Speaker 1: joke about this last these three moves already, but even

435
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Speaker 1: in previous years, like he has done stuff where he'll

436
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Speaker 1: make two moves on a Monday in November and then

437
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Speaker 1: he'll do nothing for two months. Like this is he's

438
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Speaker 1: He's definitely an early in the off season kind of guy.

439
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Speaker 1: So they could make a splash. But when you're signing

440
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Speaker 1: external free agents, most guys don't want to wait. I'm sorry,

441
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Speaker 1: they do want to wait. They don't want to go

442
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Speaker 1: early because they want to make sure there's a market

443
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Speaker 1: all these things. But hey, could the nick on Monday?

444
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Speaker 1: Sure they could, but I think it probably will be probably,

445
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Speaker 1: not definitely, probably will be picking up those those options,

446
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Speaker 1: tendering Max and then figuring it out from there. There

447
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Speaker 1: was actually, before we get to the external guys, we

448
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Speaker 1: have to do it, Scott, there was a rumbling from

449
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Speaker 1: Mark Bowman. Yeah, Mark wrote the following Mark bowmanson Mark

450
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Speaker 1: himark quote. There was also an assumption that Charlie Morton

451
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Speaker 1: would retire. But the hurler who will return, sorry, who

452
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Speaker 1: will turn forty one on November twelfth, quote, is leaning

453
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Speaker 1: toward pitching at least one more season end quote. Okay, Scott,

454
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you talk about this because I've my

455
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Speaker 1: feelings are well known here, but uh, this is kind

456
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Speaker 1: of surprising now doesn't mean that he's definitely going to pitch.

457
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Speaker 1: And Mark's been the only one I think that's been

458
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Speaker 1: banging this drum. But he's seemingly got a source. So

459
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Speaker 1: we'll see what's going on there. But Charlie pitching again,

460
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Speaker 1: could be pitching in Atlanta again, Let's just say.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because I mean, not just

462
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Speaker 2: one time, but Mark Bowman has mentioned this numerous times

463
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Speaker 2: over the last ten days or so. Clearly, bo He's

464
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Speaker 2: been doing it for twenty twenty five years now, he

465
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Speaker 2: has his sources. He's not just pulling this out of

466
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Speaker 2: thin air. Charlie Morton, it's an interesting case. If it's

467
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Speaker 2: anywhere close to twenty million dollars, forget it, he's he's

468
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Speaker 2: just not worth that at forty one years old.

469
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Speaker 1: Even I would not pitch always twenty million dollars next season,

470
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Speaker 1: even I famous defender Charlie Morton. And I think that

471
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Speaker 1: Alex probably will agree with us on that. I would guess.

472
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Speaker 2: But but but if and this is what Bowman also suggested,

473
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Speaker 2: if Charlie is open to pitching for somewhere in the

474
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Speaker 2: neighborhood of ten to fifteen million dollars, next year. It's

475
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Speaker 2: at least interesting the last three years they pulled Charlie's numbers.

476
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Speaker 2: The last three seasons combined Charlie's ERA, FIP and next

477
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Speaker 2: FIP all are about four And clearly he's not a

478
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Speaker 2: front line or an ace anymore. But a four ERA

479
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: for a pitcher who is made thirty starts the last

480
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Speaker 2: three seasons, those don't grow on trees. And of course

481
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Speaker 2: it's a one year deal. You're not committing yourself to

482
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Speaker 2: seven years to a pitcher where you worry that in

483
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Speaker 2: year two if his shoulder blows out, you're screwed for

484
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Speaker 2: five seasons. So it's interesting. I still think Charlie's going

485
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Speaker 2: to retire at the end of the day, just based

486
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Speaker 2: on his comments at the end of the season. But

487
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Speaker 2: according to Mark Bowman, it feels like the door is open.

488
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Speaker 2: And if Charlie's back for ten million twelve million next season,

489
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Speaker 2: I maybe won't be like super thrilled, but it'd be fine.

490
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Speaker 2: And it brings depth to the back end of the rotation.

491
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Speaker 2: It provides some insurance in case Strider needs more time,

492
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Speaker 2: in case Sale gets hurt. There's a lot of questions

493
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Speaker 2: with the s hrotation next year, but it is interesting

494
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Speaker 2: that that Bowman seems to think that Charlie could be

495
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Speaker 2: back for yet another season next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought up last three years. And look, it's

497
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Speaker 1: fair to note the age, of course, like he's it's

498
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Speaker 1: very possible Charlie could just be bad next year. That's

499
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Speaker 1: that's just it's sports, just saying that out loud. At

500
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Speaker 1: his age, it could happen in any moment. I do

501
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: think that his demise has been overstated by some because

502
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Speaker 1: he was not bad this year. He was no matter

503
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Speaker 1: how bad people thought he was, he actually wasn't. He'd

504
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, he just wasn't. He was a

505
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: perfectly fine fourth fifth starter this year for the Braves,

506
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Speaker 1: and over the last three years, I believe I will

507
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: give this up now. He was tied for twenty fourth

508
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Speaker 1: in the National League in fangrafts war him one pitchers.

509
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Speaker 1: That's really good over three year period for your fourth starter,

510
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: fifth starter, Like he's useful. But yeah, and also we

511
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: all know this, but Alex loves the one year deal,

512
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: loves it. Loves one year deal, the lack of commitments

513
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Speaker 1: to that, the flexibility of it. And yeah, I could

514
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: already tell we already we fight this battle every winter

515
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 1: with some fans. But you just have to have more

516
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Speaker 1: than five starters. And I've already seen people listing the

517
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Speaker 1: starters like why would they keep Granted Griffin kN And

518
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Speaker 1: obviously Grifin Canning is not as good as Charlie Morton,

519
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Speaker 1: but it's similar, like what do they have? What you use?

520
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: Do they have? I'm like, guys, we saw this year,

521
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Speaker 1: we see every year. There's always a time during the

522
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Speaker 1: season where we're like, man, the Braves need to know

523
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: a pitcher because everyone has that problem during the season.

524
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: So stacking depth. Alex is big on that. And yeah,

525
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: if it's one year and ten million, I know what

526
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: the reaction will be. It'll be very negative. I understand that,

527
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Speaker 1: but it would for me. I know, I'm the Morton guy,

528
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Speaker 1: but it'd be perfectly reasonable to do that for one year.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, you

530
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Speaker 2: play one hundred and sixty two baseball games, nine innings

531
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Speaker 2: a game. What's that math? Like fourteen hundred and something

532
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Speaker 2: throw in extra innings. You have to cover fifteen hundred

533
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: innings of regular season baseball every single year, and without fail,

534
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Speaker 2: you feel good about your pitching depth and then by

535
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Speaker 2: June you're calling on the third arm in Gwinnett to

536
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 2: make a couple of starts. You know, you're alan Winan types,

537
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Speaker 2: and there is a way to prevent those starts from

538
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: happening where just puts the Braves at such a large disadvantage.

539
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: You know, for ten million dollars, that is a reasonable

540
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: amount to pay Charlie Morton in the year twenty twenty five. Again, man,

541
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Speaker 2: no one's gonna come on and say Charlie's gonna win

542
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: Cy Young, or he's going to strike out two hundred

543
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: and fifty batters next year, or have an era in

544
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: the low twos. But you're not going to have five

545
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: rock solid aces in your rotation in a season. And again,

546
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: for the many questions that are in this rotation, the

547
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: idea of having some stability with Charlie or a similar

548
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: veteran on a one year deal is something I think

549
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: the Braves are going to do whether or not Morton retires.

550
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: Every single year, I feel like we argue for another

551
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: veteran arm to be at it, and they do it

552
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: usually or sometimes one more thing on this and Appross

553
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: will move on. The Braves got a god send from

554
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: Special Swallenbach this last year that no one could have projected,

555
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: even if you were as high on him as humanly possible,

556
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: you could not have projected that as a rookie this

557
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: year and they still had the following guys make starts

558
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, Bryce Elder Grant Holmes made seven starts.

559
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: Ray Kerr made two starts for the Braves this year.

560
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: Darius Fonce made two starts for the Braves this year.

561
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: Alan Wyans made two starts with the Braves this year.

562
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Hirston Waldrip made two starts. Smith shav made it made

563
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: a playoff start for the Braves this year. Like guys,

564
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: it's very evident every year. I believe the final tally

565
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: was thirteen guys made starts for the Braves this year.

566
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Speaker 2: Wow, yep it Even the best rotations get injured. It's

567
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: you can never have too much starting pitching. And guess

568
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: what once the season gets started. Unless you strike gold

569
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: with the Schwellenbach in the minor leagues, you're basically have

570
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: your hands tied until the end of July at the

571
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: trade deadline to get starting pitching help. You know, again,

572
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: there is some interesting internal options with a j Smith Shavor,

573
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Speaker 2: I think.

574
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Speaker 1: And Waldrip, and there's all kinds of I mean, they

575
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: do have honestly, the price have better than average depth

576
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: in the high miners, but you cannot always expect next year.

577
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: There is a pretty strong chance that neither Smith Shov

578
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: or Waldrip is going to be awesome. Maybe they will be,

579
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: but you don't know that right now. Oh good chance.

580
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: I mean, Smith Shaver still needs time, if you you know.

581
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: I always try to listen to the prospect team at

582
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: Battery Power. They were all pretty much in unison even

583
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the season that Smith Shauver needs

584
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: more time. He's still working on pitch sequencing, finishing off hitters, location,

585
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: how to attack a second and third time through. It

586
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: was kind of a lost year of development, I thought

587
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: for Hurston Waldrip, especially the second half when he had

588
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: the shoulder issue and then just really never found it.

589
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Bryce Elder, sure, if it's a Sunday afternoon start against

590
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the Miami Marlins, it's probably fine. But against anyone better

591
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: than that, unless Bryce magically adds five miles an hour

592
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: to his fastball or develops just an absurd slider, it's

593
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: just not going to happen. He is who he is

594
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: is Ian Anderson is similarly a lot of questions about him.

595
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: Schwellenbach as great as he was, just blew past his

596
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: professional innings high. We're in all the Lopez shoulder elbow

597
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: concerns this last year, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah,

598
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: we could talk for twenty minutes about the risk that

599
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: all these starting pitchers have, and that's not exclusive to

600
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: the Braves by any means. Pitchers get hurt at a

601
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: very high rate in every single team in baseball. And

602
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: if you can err on the side.

603
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: Of more depth and more reliability and not having to

604
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: pray that one of your minor league guys step up,

605
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a worthwhile proposition as long as you

606
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: can do it while addressing the other holes on your roster.

607
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to some external free agents. We're

608
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: not gonna dive deep on these guys, but it's a

609
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: good time to kind of just say hi, here's what's available,

610
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, and people can kind of pick

611
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: their favorites. We always have guys that we like, I

612
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: know Scott always has his guys famously, Zach Wheeler. We

613
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: would have knowed that one, Scott, you're all over that

614
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: one you would have but would have been a great one.

615
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: So anyway, and Tonny Gray too is my guy. I

616
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: am Sonny.

617
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Hear me out, Brad the same little the same as

618
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Cardinals are supposedly gonna cut money and try to get younger.

619
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could use a starter.

620
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray only two years fifty million on his contract,

621
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: Like all right, hear me out, hear.

622
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: Me No, I'm one hundred percent with you. And like, look,

623
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: we get questions about this all the time, about trade

624
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: candidates too, and it's impossible. Maybe we could try one

625
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: day to kind of lay out all the trade candidates.

626
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: Like that's a much harder task than just say he

627
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: here are the free agents. But that's a good point

628
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: you made. It Beyond Sonny Gray being a proactive which

629
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: I agree with, is that Alex could also address issues

630
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: with with trades, like he's very willing to do that.

631
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: I think Shortza's one that we talked about a lot already,

632
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about even more in a second, where

633
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: like it could be a trade, could be a trade

634
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: for an outfitter, could be a trade for a starting pitcher.

635
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: We just we don't know, but that is always a

636
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: I would say undervalued pathway to plug holes or better

637
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: than that, is that you could trade for you guys,

638
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: And Sunny Gray is a good name to keep an

639
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: eye on. I would say, let's start with the pictures

640
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: while we're on Sunny Gray. So all I'm starting pitching.

641
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: We just did a whole primer about this about how look,

642
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: the Brais don't have to sign a huge dollar arm.

643
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Speaker 1: They may not. I could say, maybe maybe they probably

644
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: won't even but if they're so in theory, if they

645
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: were in play for Max Freed, why would they also

646
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: not be in play for Corbyn Burns or Blake Snell

647
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: Rookie or Rookie Sasaki or Nathany Evaldi or Sean Manaia.

648
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: These guys are all like those are varying degrees. But

649
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: if you lose Max, it's not exactly a hard cell

650
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we'd like to get another, even if

651
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: it's number two versus number one, Like Max kind of

652
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: has been guy. So those are all the names that

653
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: are kind of on the top level, along maybe like

654
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty. But those are five or six names that

655
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: are really interesting top of the rotation guys and they're

656
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: all built.

657
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's going to be very interesting to

658
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: see what the starting pitching free agent market is because

659
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: last winter, some guys like Aaron Nola found a lot

660
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: of money right away, like Nola assigned I think before

661
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and for seven years one hundred and seventy some

662
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: odd million dollars. But then you had your Blake Snells

663
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: and your Eduardo Rodriguez and your Jordan Montgomery's who all

664
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: really struggled to find a market that really developed for them.

665
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: They ultimately landed pretty good money on like an annual basis,

666
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: but they were not able to necessarily command the six

667
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: year deal that I'm sure they were all looking to

668
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: command at the start of the winter. So we'll see.

669
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I think the big.

670
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Three is pretty clearly Burns, Snell, and Freed in some order.

671
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: Well, and Garrett Garrett Cole opted out yep, and I

672
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: think he might resign with the Yankees. There's some interesting

673
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: language there the will not dive into, but he would

674
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: be up there as well if he's actually a free agent,

675
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: and he wasn't great this year. But Garrick Cole is

676
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: a capital letter's name, like Greck Cole is a big

677
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: name is obviously for a reason, the big name.

678
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And you know, in that second tier of

679
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: free agent arms, there's some some interesting and like legitimately

680
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: good options in there too, right like Nadi of Aaldi.

681
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of you of all these for years,

682
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Manayah who you mentioned? Jack Flaherty just came off the

683
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: World Series. Luis Severino had a really nice bounce back

684
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: year with the New York Mets. So there's some good

685
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: kind of second tier free agents. I'm curious to see

686
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: if the second tier kind of waits on those big

687
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: three to kind of establish the market. And let's say

688
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: the Braves or let's say the Texas Rangers, who were

689
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: expected to go out and be active in free agency,

690
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: say that those teams maybe miss out on the top three,

691
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: then do you know talks intensify with the second tier

692
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: free agents. If you asked me today the first weekend

693
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: of November, I would think the Braves would be more

694
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: likely to be in that second tier of starting pitchers.

695
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: Maybe then you won't have to go five or six years,

696
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: probably get him for anywhere from fifteen to twenty two

697
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. I think that's more of the game,

698
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: Alex is going to be looking to play. Because we

699
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: said it a couple nights ago on the show, We'll

700
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: say it one more time. Paying starting pitchers who are

701
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of thirty is a very risky proposition,

702
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: and I think Alex has shown us he's generally pretty

703
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: risk averse whenever he can be. And sure, Corbyn Burns

704
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: is awesome, he'd be really good for this team right now.

705
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: But the idea of committing yourself to a Corbyn Burns

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: until twenty thirty one or whatever it's going to require,

707
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: is mildly terrifying for a team that is not completely

708
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: desperate in the starting rotation.

709
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that if they were to sign one

710
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: of those big, big, big names, it's probably to be Max.

711
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: Agree.

712
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: That's my best guess. That's my best guess. Again, I

713
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: still think, and you can disagree if you want to.

714
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I still think that Max is more likely than not

715
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: going to be gone based on what we've just heard

716
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: from everybody for months.

717
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Now.

718
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Do you agree with me on that one so far? Scott?

719
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

720
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, not definitely or anything. He could come back, yeah,

721
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: but just more likely than not, I would say, based

722
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: on the email. I think that's fair. So there's that,

723
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: and I think if there is a big name, it

724
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: apply to be Max, which is great. Max Reed is

725
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: really good. There were there were three or four guys

726
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: that want I wanted to highlight that are for whatever reason,

727
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: maybe available for a more modest price tag, either in

728
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: years or dollars, that I think would be kind of

729
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: up Alex's alley in a historical sense. Alex likes to

730
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: do these deals where he's either buying low or trying

731
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: to fix somebody or whatever. Uh like. He like short

732
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: term deals. So one of them is Walker Buehler. Walker

733
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Buler had a rough yew this year in LA. He

734
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: has a high pedigree guy. Alex loves the first round pick,

735
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: a former first round pick, loves that Dueler has been great.

736
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: He's been banged up at times. He found it sometimes

737
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: this year. Of course he wasn't terrible terrible, but could

738
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: be a reclamation project on a high level. One is

739
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: also Max Scherzer. That might sound crazy. Max Scherzer is

740
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: one hundred years old, but if you didn't sign Charlie

741
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: what you probably wouldn't sign Charlie and Max Scherzer. But

742
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: if you didn't sign Charlie. He is Charlie adjacent. Obviously

743
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: he was better than Charlie at his peak. But Scherzer

744
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: is on the wrong side of forty, not even the

745
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty's gott wrong stete of forty. But

746
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: seems to why I pitch one year deal maybe. And

747
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: then a guy that honestly forgot was a free agent

748
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: Shane Bieber, a say, young winner from a few years ago,

749
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: currently coming off of Tommy John. So he's gonna be

750
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: out till the summer, probably, but that might brain is

751
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: price tag down. Maybe he signs a two year deal

752
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: as a result of something like that to kind of

753
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: get back on the market. That's a guy. And again

754
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: you're dealing with TJ. It's not an exact science. You'd

755
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: be guessed a little bit. But if for a team

756
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: that doesn't to your point, Scott have this urgent, urgent need,

757
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: if you can somehow get Shane Bieber and say, hey, Shane,

758
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: take your ton we'll see in July, that's pretty intrigued.

759
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: So those are all three different players, but they're all

760
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: kind of to me anyway, kind of alexy to vary

761
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: in degrees.

762
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you said it perfectly man Like,

763
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: we have learned that Alex very rarely gets the player

764
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: that everybody has circled on the whiteboard.

765
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Yep.

766
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean it's he he thinks outside of the box.

767
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: I don't think in all of the podcasts we did

768
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: a year ago, did any of the four of us

769
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: ever say Chris Sales name. No.

770
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean the only time, the only time Alex has

771
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: made a move that we all were like, hey, he

772
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: can he can go, he can go do this was

773
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: Matt Olson. If Freddy left, Madelson was the logical guy.

774
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 1: If Freddie left. We all knew that. But even that

775
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: move happened in a way that we didn't expect. He

776
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: did it before Freddy even signed. There was this whole

777
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: back and forth. I think we want we relegate now

778
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: about Freddy's agent. That's still driving me crazy. People get that,

779
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: But that's the only that's the only time he's made

780
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a move that we were like, okay, that was kind

781
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: of foreseeable was if Freddy left. Matt Olsen was the guy.

782
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 1: Every other thing that he's done basically has been either

783
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: you know, once it happens, it's like, okay, that makes sense.

784
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: But to your point, it's never the guy you expect,

785
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: and if it's a free agent, it's almost never the

786
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: price you expect, like he's not gonna pay it. Maybe

787
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong about the Scott. Has he ever paid sticker

788
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: price for a guy that was like ap at the

789
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: top of the market. I feel like he's never done

790
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: that on any position anywhere, Like it's either an extension

791
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: on a guy we already have, or he trades for

792
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: an expensive player like Chris Sale and reworks the contra

793
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. But he doesn't go out and sign for

794
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: agents for the top dollar like that are external. Has

795
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: he ever done that even once?

796
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: No? I mean, I think let's think this through. I mean,

797
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: Josh Donaldson was a one year deal, one year deal,

798
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Hanials one year deal deal, you know, Marcelo Zuna originally

799
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: one year deal when you're deal, he did do a

800
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, a four year deal, you know, not an extension,

801
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: but a clean new four year deal with Marcel. Is

802
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: that the biggest free agent deal? I feel like I'm

803
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: missing somebody obvious, but is whether we should have prepped this?

804
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: But no, we didn't, and that's and that's fine. I

805
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: just think that the point it's more than even in

806
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: specifics like the point stands like he doesn't. He either

807
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: does these creative trades or short term free agent deals

808
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it doesn't mean he can't sign a

809
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: big free agent for market price. He just hasn't. And

810
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: so that's why I wanted to circle these three guys.

811
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: Or even if you want to go to like Matthew Boyd,

812
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: or you say Acouci is like an older guy that

813
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: might be Alex, like on a short term deal, there's

814
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: other guys that are interesting that if you say, hey,

815
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: is Matthew boy better than Charlie Morton? Maybe I don't

816
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: know if he is for sure, but he's younger than

817
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: Charlie and Morton. I don't know. There's interesting like it

818
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: aust It all comes down on the pitching side, to

819
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: urgency level. How much? What is Alex's urgency level? Because

820
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: they know the guys Strutter coming back, but Strata may

821
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: not be back until May or June. We don't. We

822
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: just don't know, right And if you lose Max, if

823
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: you lose Max and you don't know when Shriyer's coming back,

824
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: you're suddenly very very very reliant on guys that were

825
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Austin this year. But an old guy in Sale, a

826
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: first time breakout guy in swallow back of convert reliever,

827
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: and Lopez like suddenly you got some there's some fragility

828
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: there without Max.

829
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just say, yeah, there is. And that's a

830
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: big question. I mean, clearly the three questions this winter,

831
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: or maybe the three top questions the rotation, shortstop, the outfield.

832
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: What do they do? Do they make moves on the

833
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: margins or does Alex plant his flag and make a

834
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: blockbuster deal or a blockbuster signing. You know, he has

835
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: been There was a chart that was circulating the other day.

836
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 2: I think since he has taken over, Alex Nthopolis has

837
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: the best trade record of any general manager in baseball

838
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: in terms of war received versus war given up. And

839
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: you look at the the Metelsen deal, the Sean Murphy deal,

840
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: the Chris Sale deal. There are there. Alex has been

841
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: a very good trader. You know, free agency, he has

842
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: not dipped his toe into that water quite as much

843
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: on a high, high level basis. But that doesn't mean

844
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: that just because he has not engaged in the big

845
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: dollar free agents in the past, that he won't do

846
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: it this upcoming winter. So very interested to see how

847
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: the rotation ultimately shakes out if Max Freed goes elsewhere.

848
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: I think you really do need to try to add

849
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: at least like a number three starter to help balance,

850
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: because yes, if Spencer Streider comes back and he's Spencer Schreider, awesome,

851
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: he's just that. You're right, But man, there's there are

852
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: some real questions for a guy who has undergone now

853
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: two elbow surgeries and he's twenty five twenty six years old.

854
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, and even to your point, even if he

855
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: is himself and we'll go off, this is this is

856
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: a different topic in some some respects. But uh, how

857
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: do I say this without it's sounding negative. They didn't

858
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: get lucky unnecessarily, but they got very high end outcomes

859
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: on all three of Sale, Lopez and and Schwellenbuck. Yeah. Yeah, like,

860
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: very very very high level outcomes on all three of

861
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: those guys. They could do it again, but I am

862
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: always reticent to expect that on the pitching side in particular.

863
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: So adding to that, I'm with you, and if Max leaves,

864
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: they will have to figure something. Then it will have

865
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: to I guess they could with straight face say we'll

866
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: make moves on the margins, and I hope special comes back.

867
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: But I'm going to be on your side of that.

868
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: On that comment, I think if you lose Max, you

869
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: need to be a little bit more than on the

870
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Margins pitching watch. Maybe it is we're gonna re sign

871
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Charlie and we're gonna get one more guy who's a

872
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: fourth starter and pieces together that way. That wouldn't be

873
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: crazy if you got two of those kind of late

874
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: rotation guys versus the number versus one one guy who's

875
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But no matter what you do,

876
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: you got to add if you lose Ma, I think

877
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: pretty clearly anyway. On the position player side, we talked

878
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: about Soto before sign me up. Man, it's not gonna happen,

879
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: but sign me up. Then there's a shortstop position where

880
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: we talked Actually, I think we did a podcast about

881
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: this like three or four weeks ago, about William Thomas.

882
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: There was a rumor there. We talked about that for

883
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: an hour almost and then Hassan Kim there would be

884
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: too clear upgrades the shortstop available as free agents. There

885
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: are trade guys too. I know Nico Horner has been

886
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: a popular name of the Cubs. There's been names out there,

887
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: but there are only two free agent shortstops who are

888
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: like notably better than Arcia, and it's a Damas and

889
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: Kim Now much to add there, Like those guys would

890
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: be great. I don't know if they're gonna pay him.

891
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I'm curious to see MLB Trade

892
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Rumors does their annual piece on contracts for all of

893
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 2: the free agents and what they think they're going to receive.

894
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: But there's been some reporting that the thought is Willia

895
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Domas is going to get something in the neighborhood of

896
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: Dansby Swanson's seven year, one hundred and seventy seven million

897
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: dollar deal.

898
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: We used that cup on the show, Yes we did,

899
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: because they we were ahead of our time on that one. Scott,

900
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: there we go.

901
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes, please please please credit the Hammer Territory podcast. You know,

902
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: on the whole they are similar players. Dansby better glove,

903
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: adamis better bat. But do I see the Braves going

904
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: out and giving Willie Adamas a seven year, one hundred

905
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: and seventy five million dollar deal.

906
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I would love it.

907
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: I would be excited for him because he's a terrific

908
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: baseball player, But they just don't think that's going to

909
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: be the Braves' solution at shortstop, Hawsong Kim is a

910
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: really good baseball player. I know Braves fans may not

911
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: be super familiar with Kim because he's been out in

912
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: San Diego, but he is a very well rounded shortstop.

913
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: Great defensively runs the bases, gets on base draws, walks,

914
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: hits for a little bit of power. The concern with

915
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: Kim is one he's a Scott Boris client, which I

916
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: think the only time Alex has acquired a Scott Boris

917
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: player was No, it wasn't even Alex. I was gonna

918
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: say Tuki Toussaint was a Scott Boris player, but that was,

919
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: of course John Coppolola. So Alex really has not entertained

920
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: much in the way of Scott Boris. The other concern

921
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: with Kim is they just underwent shoulder surgery and there's

922
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: a real chance he will not be ready for a

923
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: month or two or three next season. I don't know

924
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: if you can necessarily sign that kind of player. I

925
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: guess you could and then have Orlando orci Hi Beer

926
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: starting shortstop for a month or two and then go

927
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: to Kim. So we'll see on those two. But I

928
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: do think if they are going to make an improvement

929
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: at shortstop, I tend to think it would be more

930
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: of the trade route than the free agency route.

931
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am with you and everything you said there.

932
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: I think that if a domin Is price tag is

933
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: that I don't think it's gonna be the bravest uh.

934
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: And then Kim, we just don't know about the injury,

935
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: but I would I would like either one. We'll see

936
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: Trey could be a possibility there. And then the other spot,

937
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: of course is corner outfield. I'm not even gonna bring

938
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: up anybody else. It's like they don't have a free

939
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: agent need anywhere else. It's just that's yeah, they have

940
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: there's some really interesting players a free agents, but they're

941
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: not gonna sign up first baseman, like you know what

942
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like third or third basement. It's just not

943
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So or catcher. So you know, corn Field's interesting.

944
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: There's some depth there this time around, beyond Soto, who's

945
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: the headliner, but in no order this is you know, Taskar,

946
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: her Endez Anthony Anthony sent tender from the Orioles Jerson.

947
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: Profar had a great year, former top prospect that kind

948
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: of has now found himself. Tyler O'Neill is interesting player

949
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: that's been like an injury guy, but it's been great

950
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: when he plays. And then uh, I think for like

951
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: the fifty year in a row, we'll discuss Michael Conforto

952
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: on this podcast, another favorite of the free agency of

953
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: options because he's a left he's a righty. Masher and

954
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: our colleague Steven Tolbert talk about this all the time.

955
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: The Braves just don't have enough of those, so that

956
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: would be a way to go ahead and get like that,

957
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: not a great defender, but a bat. So that's not

958
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: even a full list. But there are a bunch of

959
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: corner outfielders that I think are reasonable starting corner outfielders

960
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: that are available, And doesn't mean that they're going to

961
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: sign any of them. They could just keep Loreano and

962
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: have Loreano and Keelnick again and roll with that. That

963
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: is not exciting to me because I think as good

964
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: as Loreano was, he probably is not going to be

965
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: that good again based on his underlying metrics from this

966
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: last year. But that wouldn't be completely insane. What I

967
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: will say this on this front, Scott and we talked

968
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: of this before, but would it trigger you like It

969
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: would trigger me if the Braves rolled into the season

970
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: with both Arcia at shortstop and these corner out filters,

971
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: because that's that's the one scenario I can't handle. Isn't

972
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: the going of the year with Arcia at shortstop and

973
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: then the Loreano Kelnick duo in leftfield at the same time.

974
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say it is a failed off season.

975
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: If opening day rolls around and you have a platoon

976
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: with Kelnick and whoever could be Loreano, it could be

977
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: another right handed outfielder and Arcia, that would be a

978
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: failure of an offseason to me.

979
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: On Kim because then he just wouldn't be actually wouldn't

980
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: be there. But other than that, yes, yeah, yeah.

981
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: So one of those two positions needs to be upgraded.

982
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: For sure.

983
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: I would love for both of them to be upgraded. Frankly,

984
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: I think the Braves need to add an outfielder because

985
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: we just don't know about Ron Dacuna Junior's knees. And

986
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: we have seen now in two years Michael Harris has

987
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: missed significant time with he had the back issue last year,

988
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: he had the two month hamstring issue this past season,

989
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: and you know Kelnick, it was a mixed bag more

990
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: bad than good. But I don't think you can give

991
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: up on him. But I also don't think that you

992
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: can count on him, if that makes sense. So I

993
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: think they need to add an outfielder of some kind shortstop.

994
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: I would love for them to move on from Orlando Arcia.

995
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: Shortstops are really hard to acquire. It's not as if

996
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: there are ten really good available shortstops in free agency

997
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: and trade. It's going to be a little trickier to

998
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: upgrade that position. But I would like to see them

999
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: add a corner outfielder of some kind for all of

1000
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: those reasons. You just you'd be putting a lot on

1001
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: in the baskets of a healthy Ocunya and count of

1002
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: taking a step forward and Michael Harris staying healthy all

1003
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: year long. I just don't know if you can really

1004
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: bank on all of those happening.

1005
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Yep, we are in agreement there, and again we're sitting

1006
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: on the table a little bit here. We'll have more

1007
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: depth when rumors start if there's anybody tied to the

1008
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: braid that we'll talk about it in more depth. But

1009
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: that is kind of the primer, at least for things

1010
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: opening up on Monday. Scott let me the Breds did

1011
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: actually reclaim an old friend I believe, is it Roy Baer.

1012
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to say his name. Selenas who's in

1013
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: the Shawan mark? What's Oakland? In the shaw Murphy trade?

1014
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: He got hurt last year, but a Battery Power Minor

1015
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: League favorites. He is now back with the Brapes. Interesting arm,

1016
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: more of a shot in the dark if anything else.

1017
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: Just want to always note that it was a Newsy

1018
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: item of the weekend. Wait on the list. This is

1019
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: minute fifty of the podcast, so obviously that tells you

1020
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: the impact of that move.

1021
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: But hey, another arm, Yeah, yeah, I know the Battery

1022
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: Power guys were excited to have Selenas back in the organization.

1023
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: He has had some health issues, really kind of unclear

1024
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: when he will pitch again, but a live arm, A

1025
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: player who once upon a time, I think, looking back

1026
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: on the Sean Murphy deal, I think Selenas was like

1027
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: the one player in that deal that the prospect guys

1028
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 2: for the Braves were a little concerned that he could

1029
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 2: turn into something really good. Like so many young pitchers,

1030
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: it's impossible to predict. It's impossible to guess who's going

1031
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: to stay healthy, who's going to figure it out who's

1032
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: going to take that next step, But we did want

1033
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: to quickly mention they did add selenas back to the organization,

1034
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe he gets a call up sometime

1035
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: in the summer to provide a live arm to the team.

1036
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it could be a bullpen piece too, from

1037
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: what we've been told on what his profile looks like,

1038
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: could be in it could be a open guy. So

1039
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: TVD on that, but at least one more name to

1040
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: throw out there, Scott. At some point this week we

1041
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: might have an emergency podcast or something crazy happens or

1042
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: whatever Max sign somewhere else. You know, any of those

1043
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: things would inspire us to talk again. But in the meantime,

1044
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: working folks, find all your work. As we sign off

1045
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: here on a Sunday evening.

1046
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was going to say, if listeners

1047
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: are new, if they jumped on board now that we're

1048
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: Hammer territory, but maybe didn't listen back during the Battery

1049
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 2: Power days. You know, we do a lot of shows

1050
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: during the off season, and especially the emergency shows are

1051
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean, some of the most fun shows we do

1052
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: all year are the off season reaction shows. Whenever the

1053
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: Braves make a trade or signing, so we will have those.

1054
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: You are absolutely right. We are now in the part

1055
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: of the calendar where we could do a podcast at

1056
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: literally any moment. We'll also do some player review and then,

1057
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: of course, once we get closer to the spring, some

1058
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: look ahead stuff, some predictions, some roster breakdown. But I'm

1059
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: at Scott Coleman at fifty five on x if you

1060
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: want to follow me there. And a big thank you

1061
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: to everybody who is stuck with us even as the

1062
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: Braves regular season wrapped up. We really do appreciate you

1063
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: all being twelve month listeners as we are a twelve

1064
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: months show.

1065
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for saying that, Scott. If you're finding

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Speaker 1: us on YouTube for the first time as well, just

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Speaker 1: searching or whatever, join us. Please subscribe to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: We do not go away, Alison at all. Some place,

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Speaker 1: some places go dark. We do not do that. We

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Speaker 1: go pretty much wall to wall pretty much every week

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Speaker 1: of the year. We'll have stuffing, maybe not Christmas week

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Speaker 1: if nothing happens, but that'll be the only time that

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Speaker 1: we might skip at least more than a few days

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Speaker 1: on the show. So please stay tuned. Please subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the show. Tell your friends about the podcast. Follow us

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Speaker 1: as a podcast on at Hammer Territory on Twitter, slash

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Speaker 1: x on Instagram, on Facebook, et cetera. If you want

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Speaker 1: to follow me, just hold on hold on side. There's

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Speaker 1: lots of basketball stuff right now, but it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. I'm at BT Roland Scott. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being here as always, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brat you as well, buddy, Take care, stay stay sane.

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Speaker 2: With baseball off season, Atlanta Hawks in full swing, NFL

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Speaker 2: college football, it's a NHL. I think soccer is going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a soccer guy. It is a great time

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Speaker 2: of the year for sports fans and hopefully you get

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Speaker 2: some sleep. My friend, you're a very busy man this

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Speaker 2: time of year. I have a Hawks game right after

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Speaker 2: this podcast, so things never stop. But hey, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being here everybody. I appreciate it. Without any further delay,

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Speaker 2: we'll sign off now, say to you for more later

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Speaker 2: on this week.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you all next time.