1
00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me, I'm

2
00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,680
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

3
00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,639
Speaker 1: I want to be happy.

4
00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Ato Steak,

5
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 2: is that woo woom?

6
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,440
Speaker 1: And then and tie Dan Ruvensteen my man, Welcome back

7
00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,880
Speaker 1: to the Soleverrable Podcast. How goes it today? It's great, Ty,

8
00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:25,479
Speaker 1: it's great.

9
00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,680
Speaker 2: I got some exercise this morning, I got a little

10
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680
Speaker 2: sweat in. I'm feeling ready for this episode. It always

11
00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 2: feels like too long since we last spoke when I

12
00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,080
Speaker 2: have to spend weekends with my family instead of which.

13
00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,159
Speaker 1: Don't make it sound like it's a chore when I

14
00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,839
Speaker 1: have to spend weekends with my family.

15
00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,360
Speaker 2: You listen, you can interpret my tone however you no.

16
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,120
Speaker 2: I love my family dearly. But it does feel weird

17
00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,280
Speaker 2: now that we're in the off season because my week

18
00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 2: is usually seven straight days of in some way planning

19
00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,080
Speaker 2: with or speaking with you on or off camera microphone,

20
00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,720
Speaker 2: and then I don't do it between Thursday and Monday.

21
00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,840
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different for me. Time still getting

22
00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,560
Speaker 2: used to it. I have leftover thoughts on Taylor Green

23
00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,880
Speaker 2: that need to somehow get out some way.

24
00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I had a moment on Sunday morning, Truser, as you

25
00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,839
Speaker 1: were recording this on Monday yesterday, where solid wife Kate,

26
00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,920
Speaker 1: still a bit under the weather, was upstairs. I was

27
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,080
Speaker 1: downstairs in the kitchen, sitting on our sitting at our

28
00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,679
Speaker 1: round table, just sort of looking aimlessly at the walls.

29
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,679
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? Yeah, we're so used

30
00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,319
Speaker 1: to being in this mode of following the games and

31
00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,319
Speaker 1: talking about the games and doing the work that we've

32
00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,759
Speaker 1: been doing on Sundays that yeah, there is a little

33
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,520
Speaker 1: bit of a void there.

34
00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,280
Speaker 2: But alas, did you do something crazy? Did you buy

35
00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:43,040
Speaker 2: a motorcycle?

36
00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,920
Speaker 1: What did you do? I just stared at the walls.

37
00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,800
Speaker 1: I had another cup of tea is basically what I did.

38
00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh go chase by puppy around the house. But alas

39
00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,280
Speaker 1: we are back. I am ty, he is Dan. The

40
00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,720
Speaker 1: podcast rolls on. On today's episode, we've got news that

41
00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,520
Speaker 1: we did not have a chance to dress when some

42
00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,200
Speaker 1: of it broke a week ago, in some cases longer

43
00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,239
Speaker 1: than a week ago. We also are going to give

44
00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,560
Speaker 1: you the newest rendition of the verbies, which we have

45
00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,680
Speaker 1: not done in a couple of years. It is not

46
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,200
Speaker 1: going to be the same version of our award show

47
00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,680
Speaker 1: that we've done in the past. But you and I

48
00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,960
Speaker 1: put our heads together. We've got a bunch of new categories.

49
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,080
Speaker 1: We've got some of the old sounds, not all of them.

50
00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,880
Speaker 1: We're not gonna make this.

51
00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 2: You know what this is going to be? Did you

52
00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,840
Speaker 2: have a round table pizza tie?

53
00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,120
Speaker 1: Is that it? Because you said you were sitting at

54
00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,440
Speaker 1: your round table staring at the wall. Do you know

55
00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,079
Speaker 1: what round table pizza? I do? I do?

56
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,680
Speaker 2: So that's where we always used to have our like

57
00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,520
Speaker 2: Little League and pee wee basketball whatever banquets. I wouldn't

58
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,040
Speaker 2: say this is an award show nearly as much as

59
00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,600
Speaker 2: it is a thoughtful coach coming up with unique names

60
00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,799
Speaker 2: for trophies so that only one So, oh, you know what,

61
00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,320
Speaker 2: Darren can get a trophy. Darren was, He was mister energy,

62
00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,320
Speaker 2: he was supportive on the bench. So it's a very

63
00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,960
Speaker 2: specific award show, and it's a very unique award show

64
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,800
Speaker 2: so that we can give as many different teams and

65
00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,919
Speaker 2: players in situations they're due as they pour over average

66
00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,720
Speaker 2: pepperoni pizza, asking their moms for quarters so they could

67
00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,760
Speaker 2: play super off road.

68
00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,760
Speaker 1: That sounds right. Basically a bunch of participation trophies with

69
00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,640
Speaker 1: creative names. If that we're talking about here as we

70
00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,880
Speaker 1: I guess squeeze the last few drops out of the

71
00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,160
Speaker 1: season that was in college football. So news verbies, don't

72
00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,080
Speaker 1: forget to go to forballers dot com. That is our

73
00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,960
Speaker 1: patreon where you can go and support. If you're new here, Hello,

74
00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm Ty, He's Dan. Welcome. We appreciate having you with us.

75
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,480
Speaker 1: We'll be with you all off season long. We are

76
00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,600
Speaker 1: a great podcast to listen to on the way into

77
00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,080
Speaker 1: work doing chores at the gym. We fit nicely into

78
00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,280
Speaker 1: the tiny crevasses. Yes, life talking a little bit more

79
00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,160
Speaker 1: college football. All right, with all that being said, down,

80
00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:02,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about the news. A couple things that we

81
00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,280
Speaker 1: did not address. I think the most notable of which

82
00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,160
Speaker 1: is this news now that just came out this weekend.

83
00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,760
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly leaving going back to the NFL, not as

84
00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,920
Speaker 1: a head coach, now joining up with Pete Carroll, the

85
00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440
Speaker 1: new coach of the I have to make sure I

86
00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,320
Speaker 1: get this right, Las Vegas Raiders. I'm an old. The

87
00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,640
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders hired Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll now has

88
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,000
Speaker 1: in turn hired Chip Kelly, which means Ohio State looking

89
00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,000
Speaker 1: for two new coordinators. Dan they lose Chip Kelly, we

90
00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,440
Speaker 1: will talk about Jim Knowles momentarily, as he decided that

91
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,640
Speaker 1: he was going to go elsewhere as well. It's interesting,

92
00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, you see this. I think across pro sports,

93
00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,640
Speaker 1: when there is a big season for a team, that

94
00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,080
Speaker 1: team tends to lose coaches, They tend to lose players

95
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,520
Speaker 1: free agency. This is not exactly that, but Ryan Days

96
00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,440
Speaker 1: got a little bit of rebuilding to do on his staff,

97
00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,159
Speaker 1: to say the least.

98
00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,440
Speaker 2: Yes, and Chip Kelly gets to continue a life of

99
00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 2: not having to recruit. That's the big win here. Yeah,

100
00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,839
Speaker 2: chip Kelly first of all, his journey. If if we

101
00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,680
Speaker 2: can sidebar this and the connection Chip Kelly has to

102
00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,400
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll given their overlapping time both as chip Kelly

103
00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,040
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator for Oregon and head coach. I think they

104
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,400
Speaker 2: briefly overlapped. The two thousand and nine season, USC went

105
00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,960
Speaker 2: up to Oregon in a blackout and Jeremiah a Solely

106
00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,680
Speaker 2: just absolutely ran roughshot on the USC defense. And Rick

107
00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,320
Speaker 2: new Heisel then said, Chip Kelly drove Pete Carroll out

108
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,440
Speaker 2: of college football after that game. He's like, I don't

109
00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,520
Speaker 2: want to defend this anymore. I'm done with this garbage.

110
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm almost positive it was Rick new Heiseel. I apologize

111
00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,960
Speaker 2: if I'm getting that author incorrect. And so they had

112
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,560
Speaker 2: their overlap. Of course, chip Kelly goes to UCLA and

113
00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, rival of USC and Pete Carroll and I

114
00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,760
Speaker 2: think I saw someone on I don't have TikTok, but

115
00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,720
Speaker 2: maybe somebody posted on some platform where somebody posted a

116
00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,200
Speaker 2: videos like I'm pretty sure my professor just got hired

117
00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,320
Speaker 2: to be the head of OH. I did see that

118
00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,159
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll has like some sort of emeritis role at

119
00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,680
Speaker 2: USC where he teaches something. I'm sure it's some kind

120
00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,440
Speaker 2: of leadership or whatever. Yeah, And so I appreciated that

121
00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,200
Speaker 2: and Chip Kelly's journey just in general, and I say

122
00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,440
Speaker 2: all of the following in kind of admitted reverence because

123
00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,240
Speaker 2: he's my favorite Oregon coach ever, because I've never been

124
00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,719
Speaker 2: happier watching Oregon football than I was when Chip Kelly

125
00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,320
Speaker 2: was coach. And it was so fun in the system

126
00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 2: and everything, being a great coach, kind of working out

127
00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,840
Speaker 2: with the Eagles until it didn't work out with the Eagles,

128
00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,640
Speaker 2: definitely not working out with the forty nine ers, going

129
00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,000
Speaker 2: to ESPN for a year where he was like kind

130
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,039
Speaker 2: of awkwardly on TV but in a way kind of

131
00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,960
Speaker 2: lovable to me at the time, and then going to

132
00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,599
Speaker 2: UCLA kind of not figuring it out, not recruiting at all,

133
00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,680
Speaker 2: openly warring with UCLA boosters, not having any interest in recruiting,

134
00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,000
Speaker 2: just bringing in a bunch of Mac transfers like he's

135
00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:04,160
Speaker 2: got a defensive line full of North Texas transfers, deciding

136
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,839
Speaker 2: to leave and demote himself from head coach to a

137
00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,520
Speaker 2: power program to offensive coordinator to power program, wins a

138
00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:17,640
Speaker 2: national championship without recruiting a single player to that team,

139
00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,040
Speaker 2: planning and executing the worst and most embarrassing rivalry loss

140
00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,280
Speaker 2: of the season, arguably with Ohio State losing to Michigan

141
00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,360
Speaker 2: in the manner in which they lost, completely redeeming himself

142
00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,840
Speaker 2: and calling an incredible offensive stretch and helping to lead

143
00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State to a national championship, and then somehow convincing

144
00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,120
Speaker 2: Al Davis's NEPO kid owner to pay him triple what

145
00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,560
Speaker 2: any other coordinator in the NFL is making. I have

146
00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,040
Speaker 2: nothing but respect, and I don't even say that in

147
00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,880
Speaker 2: any sort of like glib like Wise, Acre kind of way.

148
00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how he's pulled all of this off,

149
00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,600
Speaker 2: but for making six like convincing what Tom Brady and

150
00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,600
Speaker 2: uh Mark Davis they got the weird haircut right to

151
00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,680
Speaker 2: pay him six million dollars.

152
00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,520
Speaker 1: The hair that hair thing. I can't get past it.

153
00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,640
Speaker 1: It's great, I just can't.

154
00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,679
Speaker 2: I don't get it six MILLI hopefully that that number

155
00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,760
Speaker 2: is incorrect. Hopefully that was some sort of incorrect text

156
00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,960
Speaker 2: that just got amplified six million dollars to call plays

157
00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,320
Speaker 2: for the Las Vegas Raiders. I made come like that

158
00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,720
Speaker 2: almost seems joky. Like his agent held his hand up

159
00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,200
Speaker 2: to the receiver or the whatever. The speaker on the

160
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,240
Speaker 2: phone be like, I.

161
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,200
Speaker 1: Don't think he's countering. I don't think Davis is gonna

162
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,880
Speaker 1: We just threw that out there as like kind of

163
00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,200
Speaker 1: a goof to see like where the negotiation would go.

164
00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,520
Speaker 1: And they're just they just said, we'll take it. We'll

165
00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:46,840
Speaker 1: take it.

166
00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,600
Speaker 2: And so he's now off to Vegas.

167
00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,600
Speaker 1: What a what a ride? Success slash progress not always linear,

168
00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,280
Speaker 1: as you like to say. And yeah, Chip has taken

169
00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,800
Speaker 1: the road less traveled to an extent to find himself

170
00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,240
Speaker 1: back in the NFL. I have not seen much in

171
00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,680
Speaker 1: the way of rumors for where Ohio State goes next.

172
00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,880
Speaker 1: But Ohio State is looking for two coordinators that after

173
00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,640
Speaker 1: Jim Knowles had decided earlier that he is going to

174
00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,560
Speaker 1: go to Penn State. Now, Jim Knowles is a Philly guy.

175
00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,520
Speaker 1: I grew up in Northeast Philly. Talked a little bit

176
00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,520
Speaker 1: about how he wanted to go to Penn State as

177
00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,360
Speaker 1: a player, was not good enough as a player, but

178
00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,880
Speaker 1: through hard work and through a couple different stops and

179
00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,480
Speaker 1: most importantly the players at those stops, was able to

180
00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,640
Speaker 1: get this opportunity to go to state college and coordinate

181
00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,040
Speaker 1: the defense for James Franklin. He is also getting a

182
00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,400
Speaker 1: ton of money, about three million dollars and changed per year,

183
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:51,840
Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive coordinator in college football. This, I

184
00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,559
Speaker 1: guess after a bit of a bidding war. Obviously, Ohio

185
00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,120
Speaker 1: State was in the Jim Knowles business. It sounds like

186
00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040
Speaker 1: Penn State was in it very early. Soon after their

187
00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,720
Speaker 1: season ended, Oklahoma was chomping at the bit to bring

188
00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,760
Speaker 1: him down to Norman. That did not work out, and

189
00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame got in the game late as well. They

190
00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,640
Speaker 1: oh after al Golden Yeah, they sniffed around after Al

191
00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,040
Speaker 1: Golden decided he wanted to go to the NFL and

192
00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,640
Speaker 1: coordinate defense for the Bengals. I'll talk about Notre Dame

193
00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,800
Speaker 1: situation in just a few moments, but alast Jim Knowles

194
00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,080
Speaker 1: ends up at Penn State. Again. Have not heard which

195
00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,880
Speaker 1: direction Ohio State's going to go, but that's something we're

196
00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,319
Speaker 1: going to have to track here whenever news becomes available.

197
00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,040
Speaker 1: As for the hire for Penn State, it's, look, it's

198
00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,000
Speaker 1: how can you go wrong? It's hard not to like

199
00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,480
Speaker 1: bringing Jim Knowles to State College given their pedigree for defense,

200
00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,320
Speaker 1: Given what we know of Jim Knowles. Look, the guy

201
00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,200
Speaker 1: knows how to coach defense. He knows how to coach defense.

202
00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,680
Speaker 1: He should fit in very well with the mantra of

203
00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,079
Speaker 1: the aggressing, attacking, aggressive attacking defense that Penn State likes

204
00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,840
Speaker 1: to play. We obviously know that James Franklin has done

205
00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,280
Speaker 1: a really good job coordinating things on the defensive side

206
00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,600
Speaker 1: of the ball, and to my knowledge, it sounds like

207
00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,520
Speaker 1: they're retaining some other guys in the staff that were

208
00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,880
Speaker 1: instrumental in keeping that defense at an elite level. Condexter Poindexter.

209
00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,200
Speaker 1: An Poindexter, you know, just as one example, So a

210
00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,760
Speaker 1: bit of a coup frankly for James Franklin to bring

211
00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,520
Speaker 1: in Knowles and keep that defense operating at a really

212
00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,679
Speaker 1: high level. It's a lot of money. And I know

213
00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,160
Speaker 1: you tweeted out something in the immediate aftermath of this

214
00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,640
Speaker 1: news that, well, it's great that they got him, but

215
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,240
Speaker 1: can he also coach receivers and teach them how to

216
00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,800
Speaker 1: get over No?

217
00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I said, Is he also a shifty,

218
00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,240
Speaker 2: physical downfield threat? Can he play receiver? Same difference, same difference.

219
00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,199
Speaker 1: And yeah, I wouldn't mind if they went out and

220
00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,280
Speaker 1: they made a splash in the portal. I don't know

221
00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,760
Speaker 1: if anybody's left, but maybe they can lure somebody away

222
00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,040
Speaker 1: with a lot of money. Sure, I'm not overly optimistic

223
00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,120
Speaker 1: about that. There's been a lot of attrition in that

224
00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,280
Speaker 1: receiver room year since the end of the season for

225
00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,040
Speaker 1: Penn State. But it does start with defense, with the

226
00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,200
Speaker 1: way that they build that program, that's totally Jim Knowles

227
00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,240
Speaker 1: is going to have an opportunity to take the next

228
00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,480
Speaker 1: step with Penn State. So we'll see where that goes.

229
00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,520
Speaker 1: I did mention that Notre Dame was in the Jim

230
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,760
Speaker 1: Knowles conversation for a moment in time. They have since

231
00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,600
Speaker 1: elected to go with Chris ash Remember that name, Chris

232
00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,440
Speaker 1: ash Dan, I do.

233
00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he of Rutgers head coach obviously coach defenses that

234
00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,840
Speaker 2: I think both Texas and Ohio State relatively recently.

235
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about this hire. I'm not crazy about

236
00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,439
Speaker 1: the Chris ash Higher. Now my understanding is he's co

237
00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,040
Speaker 1: DC alongside my guy, Mike Mickens. Mike Mkins is still

238
00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,079
Speaker 1: going to be very much part of this defensive staff,

239
00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,880
Speaker 1: so at least there will also be some continuity on

240
00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,600
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame side, as there was just a moment

241
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: ago here and talking about Penn State. I don't mind that.

242
00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm just I guess my trepidation with Chris ash is whatever,

243
00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,640
Speaker 1: like your greatest accomplishments were about a decade ago or

244
00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,240
Speaker 1: how long long it's been since he was coaching high

245
00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,080
Speaker 1: level defense at a place like Ohio State. That to

246
00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,400
Speaker 1: me has caused for pause. Yeah, it doesn't mean he

247
00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,760
Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing, but I would like more

248
00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,120
Speaker 1: in the way of current accomplishments to feel truly good

249
00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,440
Speaker 1: about this Higher. Now that being said, Notre Hime also

250
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,360
Speaker 1: has a ton of talent on defense. They also have

251
00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,040
Speaker 1: a fair amount of continuity. They've continued to recruit at

252
00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,760
Speaker 1: a really high level defensively, so I would expect that

253
00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,280
Speaker 1: all the tools will be there for Chris Ash, for

254
00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,480
Speaker 1: Mike Mickens to help this defense stay at or near

255
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,400
Speaker 1: where it's been. But forgive me if I'm a bit

256
00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 1: skeptical of this one. It did feel like a bit

257
00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,840
Speaker 1: of a come down after some of the other names

258
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,360
Speaker 1: that I had heard.

259
00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,920
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean you probably could say the same

260
00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,760
Speaker 2: thing about Al Golden that he hadn't been accomplishing a

261
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,959
Speaker 2: ton that was super public.

262
00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:52,480
Speaker 1: You know.

263
00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,280
Speaker 2: I think Chris Ash has been in the NFL a

264
00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,520
Speaker 2: little bit in various roles, and Al Golden I think

265
00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,040
Speaker 2: dipped his toe into that, unless I'm conflating him with

266
00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,880
Speaker 2: somebody else that like, hey, if Marcus Rieman is this

267
00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,760
Speaker 2: savvy hirer and defensive mind, and I'm sure there's a

268
00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,480
Speaker 2: notre dame defense, it's not just like here are the keys,

269
00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,319
Speaker 2: Chris Ash, throughout everything that we did successfully last year

270
00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 2: and do your own thing.

271
00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,800
Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's going to be fine. Yeah, famous

272
00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,719
Speaker 1: last words. We'll see. I'm sure it'll be fine. We'll

273
00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,760
Speaker 1: see how it goes. Chris ash is going to be

274
00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,760
Speaker 1: helping coach defense at Notre Dame. This left a bit

275
00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,880
Speaker 1: of avoid at Oklahoma. Yeah, not so much to Chris

276
00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,720
Speaker 1: ash Hire, but the Jim Knowles one that I talked

277
00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,680
Speaker 1: about a moment ago. They have I'm not sure what

278
00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,600
Speaker 1: they're doing. Brent Vannibles is going to call the defense,

279
00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,560
Speaker 1: which I guess is probably the best news if you're

280
00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,720
Speaker 1: an Oklahoma fan because Brent Vannibles does know how to

281
00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,640
Speaker 1: coach defense. But they hired Wes Goodwin, who was just

282
00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:50,480
Speaker 1: fired at Clemson. They also bring in Arkansas State Nate Dryling,

283
00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,280
Speaker 1: who is going to serve in some capacity. What exactly

284
00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,960
Speaker 1: is like the formula that they are going with on defense.

285
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work this out because Anible is taking

286
00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,480
Speaker 1: full control, Dodibles is taking control of what they are

287
00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,880
Speaker 1: They also beefed up the staff with Goodwin and Dryling

288
00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,920
Speaker 1: as well. Is that Yeah, that's what it sounds like

289
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,520
Speaker 1: that they will be co DC's in some respect and

290
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,440
Speaker 1: they'll help game plan, but it's going to be the

291
00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,560
Speaker 1: Brent Venables defense that he'll be calling, while at the

292
00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,240
Speaker 1: same time overseeing a massive program and hoping to get

293
00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,840
Speaker 1: things turned around with obviously a new offensive coordinator, new

294
00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,400
Speaker 1: transfer quarterback at the same time, hopefully a lot more

295
00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,760
Speaker 1: health on offense. But they've recruited defense like crazy these

296
00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,200
Speaker 1: past few years, so trying to get away from being

297
00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,040
Speaker 1: a half team that the defense has done more than

298
00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,840
Speaker 1: enough recently that it's now to me, I'm not concerned

299
00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,320
Speaker 1: about the defense. I'm concerned about scoring points, more points

300
00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,360
Speaker 1: than the team they're playing. I think that's the issue.

301
00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,160
Speaker 1: And they have recruited, yeah, at a really high level,

302
00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,640
Speaker 1: like they were like a top fifteen national defense last year.

303
00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,040
Speaker 1: There aren't a whole lot of excuses that are left. No.

304
00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,480
Speaker 1: I suppose you could make the excuse that going into

305
00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,720
Speaker 1: the SEC has made for tougher sledding, and we knew

306
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,040
Speaker 1: that coming into the year. That's not a new thing. However,

307
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,680
Speaker 1: this is a results oriented business and you got to

308
00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,440
Speaker 1: score points and they were just bad at doing that Defensively.

309
00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't have the same amount of concerns as they

310
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,760
Speaker 1: do on offense, but they got to get it going

311
00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,000
Speaker 1: on offense otherwise I don't know. I don't know if

312
00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,480
Speaker 1: they would part ways with Venables, but it feels like

313
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,640
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a world to which that could

314
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,720
Speaker 1: happen sooner than later if the offense isn't back on

315
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,400
Speaker 1: the tracks.

316
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,760
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, there is a little bit of symmetry when

317
00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,760
Speaker 2: I think about where Oklahoma has been these past few

318
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,320
Speaker 2: years with the Will must Champs South Carolina experience, We're

319
00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,480
Speaker 2: just like, as soon as they figure out defense, offense

320
00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,240
Speaker 2: falls off a cliff. Yeah, they put a lot of

321
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,800
Speaker 2: energy into offense. Defense falls off a cliff that and

322
00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,800
Speaker 2: you know there's you know that Will must Champ as

323
00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,200
Speaker 2: like the hot defensive coordinator name to be a new

324
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,400
Speaker 2: head coach, and obviously that wasn't his first opportunity as

325
00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,000
Speaker 2: a head coach at South Carolina. But for bread Venables,

326
00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,720
Speaker 2: that's been like, oh, you know, hire Jeff Levy. You know,

327
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,280
Speaker 2: the offense wasn't huge issues when people didn't have huge issues,

328
00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,000
Speaker 2: when people quarterbacks were healthy, and Dylan Gabriel was obviously

329
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,119
Speaker 2: very good for them, and you know, they just didn't

330
00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,280
Speaker 2: have the bodies on defense, and when they would get

331
00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,480
Speaker 2: injured on offense, the whole thing would fall apart. And

332
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,800
Speaker 2: now the defense seems fine. Offense was one of the

333
00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,880
Speaker 2: whatever twenty twenty five worst offenses in America last year.

334
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,159
Speaker 2: A lot of which was due to injuries and a

335
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,800
Speaker 2: crazy amount of youth that was sort of forced into action.

336
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,000
Speaker 2: But out twenty twenty five with news like this feels

337
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,000
Speaker 2: put up or shut up kind of thing. And you

338
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,119
Speaker 2: know what for Annibals with Oklahoma, have you looked at

339
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,399
Speaker 2: their schedule? I don't have it in front of me.

340
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:39,840
Speaker 2: I have it in front of me place.

341
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,840
Speaker 1: Okay. I looked at this schedule last night when we

342
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 1: were starting to put some of this together, and I mean,

343
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,720
Speaker 1: after the last week of September, there are very few,

344
00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,840
Speaker 1: if any breaks. There's a Kent State game the first

345
00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,120
Speaker 1: week of October. Here's the way this thing shakes out. Okay,

346
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,000
Speaker 1: first game of the year is Illinois State. Whatever. Then

347
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,360
Speaker 1: throughout the month of September, they've got a home game

348
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,840
Speaker 1: against Michigan, They're at Temple, another home game against Auburn.

349
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,080
Speaker 1: Both Michigan and Auburn should be should be improved from

350
00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,240
Speaker 1: a year one of them definitely, one of them definitely

351
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,639
Speaker 1: seems like yeah. Okay. Then as we go into October,

352
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,879
Speaker 1: after the Kent State game, after a bye, October eleventh,

353
00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,640
Speaker 1: that's Red River against Texas. Texas one of the favorites.

354
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,720
Speaker 1: I think to win the national championship next year. So

355
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,479
Speaker 1: a little bit early to start doing that, but Texas

356
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,520
Speaker 1: has to be in that conversation.

357
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,719
Speaker 2: Conversation in early February.

358
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,200
Speaker 1: After Red River on the road at South Carolina, which

359
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 1: could be potentially a top ten team in the preseason.

360
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,960
Speaker 1: Some big losses by the way for South Carolina losses, yeah,

361
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,120
Speaker 1: but should be should be a good team yep. Then

362
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 1: come back home a week later against Ole Miss. Ole

363
00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,200
Speaker 1: Miss loses some talent as well, but so play have

364
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 1: talent on hand. Then after that on the road against

365
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 1: Tennessee before a bye week. Those are four monster games

366
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 1: through middle October, first week of November. Then after that

367
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 1: buye at Alabama home against MISSOO home against LSU. So

368
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 1: I guess the counterpoint as well. There are games at

369
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 1: home against some of the toughest on this schedule, against Michigan,

370
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 1: against Auburn early in the year, against Ole Miss against LSU.

371
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 1: I don't know what state MISSOO will be in. So

372
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 1: if you're a season ticket holder and you're planning on

373
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: going to games in Norman, good on you. You're gonna

374
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 1: get to see some some AMMO there. But also this

375
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: is a murderer's row. This is an absolute murderer's row.

376
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,640
Speaker 1: This is a team that went to a bowl game.

377
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 1: Of course, lost the bowl game, finished with a six

378
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 1: and seven mark. I don't know, based on the schedule alone,

379
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,479
Speaker 1: if I am projecting that big of a jump forward,

380
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 1: it just seems like a stretch to me. With some

381
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 1: of the teams in the schedule. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe

382
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but in the absence of offense, it seems

383
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 1: like a huge assumption to me that they're just going

384
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 1: to take this manus step forward, especially against the schedule.

385
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what to make of that,

386
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 1: but just something to keep in the back of your mind.

387
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: If the talk coming into this year was Oklahoma schedule,

388
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: that's again going to be the circumstance for the Sooners.

389
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: Can I give a counterpoint to the counterpoint? Yeah? Sure,

390
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 1: I have to get this through my head first, but continue.

391
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 2: Well, you said counterpoints, so or maybe an additional counterpoint

392
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: as well.

393
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

394
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: We talk about schedules, especially in these like ballooningly large

395
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: conferences in acc Big ten, Big twelve, eight sec.

396
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: Everything like that.

397
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: You're just like, man, they got this team, they got

398
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: that team mathematically all of these teams can't be ten

399
00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: and two No, So combined with if the like, most

400
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 2: teams have like very difficult schedules as compared to previous

401
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 2: iterations of these conferences that in the Portal era and

402
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: the NIL era in the like I think I'm gonna

403
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 2: take a red shirt at this point in the season era,

404
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: like two or three of these teams might just be

405
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: catastrophically bad out of nowhere. Like we looked at Florida

406
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: schedule last year and we're like, and on top of

407
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: all of that, they have to finish with Florida State,

408
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: and then that shifted into well, at least they get

409
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: Florida State to finish out the year because like you know, know,

410
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: if Portal goes wrong and these players don't care about

411
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 2: playing for each other or they're misevaluated and they were

412
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 2: all thrown into this situation, they just like are looking

413
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: to improve their draft tape or whatever they like. Yeah,

414
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a team that we are thinking is

415
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: eight and fourish that's going to look like Kentucky from

416
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: last year. And we included Kentucky in talking about some

417
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: of these teams crazy schedules last year, Like yeah, to

418
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: go to Kentucky and that's.

419
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: Not always easy. And then Kentucky goes you know, one

420
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 1: and whatever in the sec last year. So we'll talk

421
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: about them when we get to the Verby City.

422
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the show, Well, I'm just that's the only thing

423
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: is like, I hesitate right now. And I did this too.

424
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: I sent you like a list of what Arkansas schedule

425
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 2: looks like, like I don't know, LSU might completely fall

426
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: off and Brian Kelly could get fired in mid October

427
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: and you're just like, woll, I didn't see that coming.

428
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 2: But that's kind of the reality now that there is

429
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: just going to be two and a half more teams

430
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: who are capable of looking like garbage for a month

431
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 2: and a half than I think we're used to. And

432
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: so if Oklahoma does kind of have its act together,

433
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: that's even better because the collapse is basically unavoidable. Everybody's

434
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: going to see it, and you just hope you can

435
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: minimize the damage.

436
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: Man, can you imagine if Oklahoma doesn't get the offense

437
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: on the tracks for that Week two game at home

438
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: against Michigan talk about a rock fight? Oh my god,

439
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: Michigan maybe neither. Yeah, Michigan may not have their offense

440
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: on the tracks by then either I don't know if

441
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be Bryce Underwood or a Mikey Keane

442
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: sort of spot start until Bryce is ready, But that

443
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: could be a defensive showdown.

444
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: Well wait, like nine year old boxers that are broke

445
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: that were famous and are just throwing very sluggish jazzs

446
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: at each other.

447
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be all right. Okay, I mentioned Alabama.

448
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: Ryan Grubb is coming back. Hey good. Maybe the worst

449
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: kept secret, but Ryan Grubbs who took a year in

450
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: the NFL after Kaylen de Borr left Washington. There were

451
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: rumors when he left Washington that he was going to

452
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: bring grub with him, but grub tried it on the

453
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: NFL did not work. Now Ryan Grubb is coming back

454
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: to coach offense for Alabama. I think that is fabulous news.

455
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: If you are an Alabama fan. I am not sure

456
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: what their quarterback situation is going to look like. Would

457
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: you have big five star coming in yeah, Jayalen Milroe

458
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: going to the NFL. Seemingly it's gonna be Kaylen de

459
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: Boor's guy. Whoever that is running that system. You won't

460
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: have to run tro fit anything to Jalen Milroe's skill set,

461
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: but Ryan Grubb coming there to Tuscaloosh to be with him,

462
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: I think is a pretty big deal. Yeah, you're a

463
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: fan of the tut.

464
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, speaking of Oklahoma, I guess just don't

465
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: lose games like that, don't lose games the way that

466
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: they did to Vandy. I mean, I'm okay with it.

467
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 2: I was very entertained by that game. But they're not

468
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: far off. But it is, you know, it is going

469
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: to take a little bit more in terms of getting

470
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: this system in place, beefing up the offensive line, but

471
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: in terms of attracting skill talent and quarterbacks, especially given

472
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: Kaylen de Bor's recent history of the quarterbacks, they should

473
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: be in a good place. I'm not terribly concerned for

474
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: Alabama other than it's just harder than it's ever been

475
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: to be Alabama in twenty twenty five and beyond.

476
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, you talk about the schedule that

477
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has in front of them. Alabama opens up, it's

478
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: season on the road at Florida State. Who knows what

479
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: to expect out of Florida State. They've got to be

480
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: better than they were a year ago. Also on this

481
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: schedule at Georgia end of September. They are at Missoo.

482
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: They are home this year against Tennessee. They are at

483
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: South Carolina. They are home against LSU. They are home

484
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma. They are on the road for the Iron

485
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: Bowl against Auburn last week of the season. So yeah,

486
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: not to say any of these SEC schedules are going

487
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: to be little sisters of the poor, Right, We're going

488
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: to have a gauntlet no matter which team we're looking

489
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: at here. But this is usually a friendly week in November.

490
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: Though there's an Eastern Illinois game in here, yes, yeah,

491
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: But otherwise it's a it's going to be a slog

492
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: to get through this, and without knowing who the quarterback

493
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: is and how they're going to replace some of what

494
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: they're losing, you know, remains to be seen. But I

495
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: feel good about that. Ryan grub Higher, I do. Seems good.

496
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, He's been with on and off thing for

497
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: a long time with Klein de Borr.

498
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: Did you see that Nebraska is canceling its spring game.

499
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: It's not likely canceling. Yeah, they're canceling their spring game

500
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: because of fear of tampering. Matt Rule says that they

501
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: don't want the game at a minimum, to be televised

502
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: if there is a game at all, because they don't

503
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: want to give rival schools an opportunity to see what

504
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: they have and to potentially lure those players into the

505
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: transfer portal. Dan, Yes, is this justified? Is this smart?

506
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: Is this typical coach paranoia? Is this a new trend

507
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: in college football? What are your thoughts on this if

508
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: you have any?

509
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: I first of all, I love the idea of not

510
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: televising it. I love the idea of having the game

511
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: but not televising, And not that Nebraska has any sort

512
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: of issue getting people energetic about big red football, but

513
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: really making like the spring game a hot ticket as

514
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: it's the only way you can see it.

515
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: I think I like that.

516
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: We're talking about a program that lost five of six

517
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 2: in the middle of last year, right, that's right. Not

518
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: to say they don't have good players. A lot of

519
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: good players on not so good teams or average teams

520
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: are okay at times, teams whatever. But I don't know,

521
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: he's the one inside the program that if he feels

522
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: like this is the only way people are going to

523
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: be able to keep you know, or if he feels

524
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: like this is the only way the roster is gonna

525
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: be able to stay together. That's a pretty huge issue,

526
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: I guess, But I don't know. It's just a very

527
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: odd story.

528
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: This is a Bowl winning roster, Dan, bear in mind,

529
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: this is true. They scored nearly twenty one points, right,

530
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: almost almost got the twenty one on a muddy day

531
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium against Boston College. But yeah, this is

532
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the bad Boy Mower's Pinstripe Bowl championship team right here.

533
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you gotta I don't know, man, I just

534
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: if it doesn't project a lot of confidence in like

535
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: the Nebraska experience, they're like, well, once a player gets

536
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: an offer to leave Lincoln, like how could you refuse?

537
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't like it doesn't sell Nebraska football like the

538
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: confidence of like once you're here, you're gonna love it

539
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: so much. It doesn't project confidence in like the strength

540
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: of Nebraska football. And so I don't love that aspect

541
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: to it. But I mean, I would say I'm high

542
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: on Nebraska football at the moment, but I'm open to

543
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: being high on Nebraska football.

544
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm open to high. Yeah, he couldn't you put that?

545
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Let's get that on the posters for the Nebraska football

546
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: People are open to being high on the Huskers. Well,

547
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: now that they went to and won a bowl game,

548
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: we need to like recalibrate going into twenty five. Yes,

549
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: it was.

550
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: It was not a pretty product I would say for

551
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: a big swath of twenty twenty four. But yeah, if

552
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: people getting eyes on this outside linebacker or this left

553
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: are this wide receiver, that the lure of going literally

554
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: anywhere else is going to be too strong.

555
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, it doesn't project a lot of confidence.

556
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: This is a program under Matt rule that I think

557
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: has been somewhat aggressive, not just in getting a guy

558
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: like a Dylan Royola to flip his commitment in and

559
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: come up there. But you know, I'm looking at some

560
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: of these guys that they brought over in the portal.

561
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, they've been pretty deliberate about trying to beef

562
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: up that roster. So we'll see, I don't know, we'll

563
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: see what comes of it. But Matt Ruhle says, no

564
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: soup for you not going to put that game on

565
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: TV if they have it at all. The the one

566
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: twenty fourth most explosive passing offense from twenty twenty four continue.

567
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: The only other thing that I have here is per

568
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: some betting markets, we have a new Heisman favor going

569
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty five. Who do we have? Arch Manning? Okay,

570
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: arch Manning has played in very limited action, took over

571
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: for when you weres on a few occasions due to injury,

572
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: but otherwise definitely is not a full time starter. But

573
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: arch Manning getting some preseason hype. I would not touch

574
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: those odds with a ten foot poll. I don't know

575
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: what they are, but if he's the favorite, those are

576
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: the lowest odds. I'd put my money on somebody else.

577
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even touch it. And I'm sure Arch is

578
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: gonna be good. He's got the pedigree. But work elsewhere.

579
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: Go go Nico, Go Garrett nus Meyergo Jeremiah Smith. Seems

580
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: like Jeremiah Smith was pretty low. Your guy Dante Moore

581
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: was low as well. Yeah, don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't

582
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: pick Arch. I just wouldn't pick Arch.

583
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: The numbers aren't there yet. Wait for Arch to have

584
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: like an average game early yeah, and see those numbers

585
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: drop a little bit, and then pounds on it with

586
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: the hopes that he shows out in a big SEC game.

587
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: If you're into Heismant betting, you know. I just you're

588
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: into hys betting. I hate the Heisman in general, so

589
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna betting on this.

590
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: I saw he just signed a big nil deal. Okay,

591
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: well sign I want to say it's red Bull. But

592
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: now I'm talking myself into intention only miss labeling Anil

593
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: deals and just all throughout the season saying arch Man

594
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: and getting that Monster Energy money and just improperly associating

595
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: him with a brand that's not paying.

596
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: Brands love that. They love when you do that. They

597
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: love that. I love that.

598
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Good Good on you Arch for getting that Monster Energy cat.

599
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: All they all tell all the sponsors, tell us, please

600
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: use somebody else's brand in place of ours.

601
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what they love. Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

602
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: It's February. These things fluctuate. Should we go elsewhere?

603
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do some verbies if you are, Dan,

604
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: I am. Yes. So it's been a minute since we

605
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: did this. Previously, we put this to a verball or

606
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: wide community vote. We had a bunch of categories, we

607
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: had a bunch of nominees. You submitted the nominees, we

608
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: put the vote in front of you, and then after

609
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: that we announced the winner. We have not done this

610
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: in a while. Frankly, we just decided to do this

611
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: on Friday. So a bit of a shotgun verbies here,

612
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: but a last Dan, it's time to do it. Did

613
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: not bring my tucks this time, and not going to

614
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: do the full Radio City Music Hall production that I

615
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: talked about back in twenty seventeen. I want to say, Okay,

616
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: been a minute since we did these, but we have

617
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: new categories. As you said before, it's going to be

618
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: I think a friendly conversation about I mean, this is

619
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: my season ending pizza party, my banquet, my round table

620
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: pizza banquet. Yeah, I like the music. Tie can pump

621
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: it up a little bit more. Okay, oh right, all right.

622
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: So the way this works is we have a bunch

623
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: of very specifically named awards. We can start off with

624
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: an old favorite if you like. I do have a

625
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: sound for this one random factoid that malely interest Tom

626
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: Hammond of the year. This is one of my favorites

627
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: back in the day, The random fact toid that malely

628
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: interested Tom Hammond of the year. The origin story of

629
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: this one, this goes way back. I'm showing my age

630
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: here and the reason for these grays in the temple,

631
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: but Back in the day when Tom Hammond was calling

632
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame games, he had this horrible habit of dropping

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: in the random factoid about the player, the coach, to

634
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: the team, etc. At the worst possible time. And I recall,

635
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember who the game was specifically against, but

636
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: it happened on multiple occasions where it'd be a big

637
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: play coming up, a fourth down conversion, something of that

638
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: nature in the fourth quarter with the game on the line,

639
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: or maybe a little too close for comfort, and Tom

640
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: Hammond would pick that exact moment to mention a guy's GPA. Yes,

641
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: of course, something that had no bearing on anything. And

642
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: it was completely innocuous sociology major Doug sociology, but it

643
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: just dog don't even goet me start on Doug. But

644
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: Tom Hammond would do that, and for whatever reason, it

645
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: drove me crazy. And that was the origin story behind

646
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: this word the random fact with them alien interest Tom

647
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Hammond of the year, I think we had a runaway

648
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: winner this year. Oh okay, the runaway winner was that

649
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams is just seventeen years old, Yes he was

650
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: and still is. What was that? What was that?

651
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: Saund But that's my like, like, okay, this is the winner,

652
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: and they're walking down the you know, the aisle to

653
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: accept the award. Ryan Williams is Alabama freshman wide receiver.

654
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Williams. We looked this up before we hit go.

655
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: He will be seventeen for about five more days. Still

656
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: seven started the year only seventeen years old. Everybody talked

657
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: about it. There was a point in the season where

658
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: people stopped talking about it, and I wondered, is that

659
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: because he turned eighteen? Nope, still seventeen.

660
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: I think it's because Jeremiah Smith was very clearly the

661
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: better freshman receiver and so it wasn't as exciting.

662
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interestingly though, in about two years whenever it is

663
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: three years from now, when Ryan Williams in vitably goes

664
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: pro after his junior year, he will be like twenty

665
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: years old in three months when he is drafted into

666
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the league, which is a really young prospect, a really

667
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: good prospect. He and Jeremiah Smith are going to rule

668
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: that draft, along with my guy Leonard Moore. But alas,

669
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams being just seventeen years old was the random

670
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: factoid that all of the announcers leaned on this year.

671
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: They were incredulous to this fact. We were incredulous to

672
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: this fact. He definitely does not play like a seventeen

673
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: year old full stop.

674
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: By the way, the other item that I would have

675
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: accepted would have been that Miami tight end who started

676
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: his career at Oregon in his ninth season. That would

677
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: have been the other side of it that, like, anytime

678
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: he had a catch that I like, oh yeah, this

679
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: guy is twenty seven, folks.

680
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: I was technically a dentist. I wanted to find something

681
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more a field, not something that was

682
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 1: quite so mainstream as Ryan Williams being just seventeen years old.

683
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: But that was such a theme in the early part

684
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: of the season. Yoh yeah, it would almost be remiss

685
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: to not mention him as part of this award. Here

686
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: the random fact to win the Male Interest Tom Hammond

687
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: of the Year. So Ryan Williams being just seventeen years

688
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: old on the board here with our first Verbie.

689
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: By the ways, Caam McCormick. McCormick, thanks the tight end

690
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: for Miami. I mean it's a lot of the Yeah,

691
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: it's the reverse. Was it Chris Wenk who was like

692
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: twenty six and had played minor league baseball like that guy?

693
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: But in reverse that like he should be out of

694
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: his problem, he should be starting for the SATs, he should.

695
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: Be made out. Yeah, a lot of that. That's fine.

696
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: So that's our first one of the day. We also

697
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: have another one that I wanted to bring out of retirement,

698
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: if only because we had so much fun talking about

699
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: it back in the day and we still talk about

700
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: it on the show. Half Team of the Year. Dan Oh, Yeah,

701
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: favorite half team of the year. So half Team of

702
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: the Year goes to the team that is either very

703
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: good on offense or very good on defense, but almost

704
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: always really bad at the other thing. This one, for

705
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: an eternity has gone to Iowa, and Iowa probably still

706
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: has a case for this award. However, they did get

707
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: better on offense.

708
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And for a stretch there we had

709
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: Texas Tech with Cliff Kingsbury where they would be like

710
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: have four points a drive both scoring and allowing.

711
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. A lot of big twelve teams,

712
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: a lot of old school pack twelve teams sure that

713
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: have been in the running for the half Team of

714
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: the Year. Is there a half team of the year

715
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: that comes to mind? Frare I jotted one down here

716
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: for me that I think is my winner just because

717
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: they were like fun to watch, fun to watch and follow.

718
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: Is there one that jumps out to you other than

719
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: my Syracuse Orange.

720
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: I think the argument could be made for Oklahoma. They

721
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: finished I think in the top fifteen and bottom fifteen

722
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: offensively and defense Sensively. I'm trying to think who else

723
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: like had a crazy good because if nobody had, if

724
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: it wasn't an Iowa situation, who else had like a

725
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: crazy prolific offense And you mentioned Syracuse and was a

726
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: disaster on defense.

727
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: I'd have to I'd have to look it up. Nothing

728
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: off the top of my mind. Who do you have? Well,

729
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: Syracuse is the answer for me? Okay, I think the

730
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: answer is Syracuse. And the reason that I picked Syracuse

731
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: is because they were fun. Man, it was a fun

732
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: team chart this year. Yeah, this is a team that

733
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: ended up with ten wins after the bowl game over

734
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: Washington State and the Holiday Bowl. But I believe per

735
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: some of the advanced metrics had like the best offense

736
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: in the country. It was a really good offense. Colm

737
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Accord led the nation in passing. Yeah, the for Animal

738
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: came in there and was able to do some work

739
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: on offense, defense needs to needs to make some progress.

740
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: A lot of games here on looking through a lot

741
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: of games where opponents are getting into the thirties, something

742
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: of that nature. Right, yeah, oh yeah, went to overtime.

743
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: Remember that big game first half of the season. It

744
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: was like a Friday night game out against UNLV. They

745
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: won that onet. That was a fun game, forty four

746
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: to forty one. But this is a team didn't play

747
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot of defense, despite the fact that the

748
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: Franmills got a little bit of a defensive pedigree, but

749
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: broad in Kyle mccorr got the most out of him

750
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: and ultimately wins ten games. So a fun half team,

751
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: unlike some of the ones we've talked about in the

752
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: past that were centered mostly around defense. You know, at

753
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: least these guys were scoring points. The number one offense

754
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: in America also had the number eighty defense in terms

755
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: of half teams. TI. Yeah, do you know who that is? Yeah? Who,

756
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: go ahead? Miami, Yeah, Miami. Miami is another one that

757
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: I was about to call out as well.

758
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: Miami and New Mexico had the number ten offense and

759
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: number one hundred and twenty seventy defense.

760
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: You can make the case from Miami here as a

761
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: half team Miami.

762
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: Well you can, but how many points did they score

763
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: on offense against Georgia Tech in the game that ultimately

764
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: kept them out of something bigger. It's like twenty three

765
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: twenty four points?

766
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami lost that game twenty eight twenty three.

767
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. So ultimately didn't matter that much.

768
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: But yes, that was the rub on Miami. That A

769
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: couple more stops and we're probably talking about a different

770
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: hurricane season.

771
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: All right, give me some of your awards that you

772
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: conjured up for this.

773
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Oh you don't want this. I went completely insane. Okay,

774
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how often I can play this, but

775
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. Ty, I have the Pigeon pos Award.

776
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: Do you know what pigeon pose is?

777
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: I think so.

778
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: It's a great stretch. You sort of lean forward on

779
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: the ground, facing the ground, and you bring one leg

780
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: up and kind of bend it at the knee and

781
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: then and it's just it stretches everything your hips, your

782
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: lower back, your glutes, whatever, your core and I just

783
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: like to honor a good stretch here. And that was

784
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: the start of pit season. Oh man, I just let's

785
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: not get negative. Let's not go down the road of

786
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: what happened later on, but with a lot of questions surrounding,

787
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: like is Pat and Ardouzy going to get this done?

788
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: Like and we figured it was going to be Nate

789
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: Yardley starting at quarterback and Eli Holstein comes in, des

790
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: reed they start? Was it seven and zero?

791
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: They started dan.

792
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Including a sort of earthquake win over Syracuse that featured

793
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: five interceptions, three of which went for pick sixes on

794
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: a Thursday night. I believe I am just going to

795
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: honor that specific stretch of good vibes coming out of

796
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: the Steel City.

797
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: Well, they won their first seven and lost their last six.

798
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: We're not talking about that time. They were not hawking

799
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: about that. They wren stretch. They won their first seven

800
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: against Kent State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Youngstown State, North Carolina,

801
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: and cal in addition to that Syracuse game, which they

802
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: won by twenty eight points. And then starting in November,

803
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: it all came off the skids at SMU loss home

804
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: against Virginia, loss home against Clemson, close loss on the

805
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: road at Louisville, got destroyed thirty seven to nine on

806
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: the road at Boston College, lost their last game of

807
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: the regular season thirty four to twenty three, and then

808
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: lost in overtime six overtimes to be exact, in the

809
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: bowl game against Toledo. So it was a great start,

810
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: definitely a bit of a limp to the finish for

811
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Pat Mardezy.

812
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: I have as I'm going through here, so I have

813
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 2: the man versus Food Big Eater Award. Okay, Alonza Barnett

814
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: against James Madison. Excuse me, Alonso Barnett on James Madison,

815
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: a quarterback North versus North Carolina.

816
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, had five passing and two rushing touchdowns in that game.

817
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I think about five hundred ish total yards, three

818
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: eighty eight through the air and another like one hundred

819
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: ish on the ground. Just a ridiculous performance. They dropped seventy.

820
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: James Madison. New coach North Carolina about to have a

821
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: new coach in no small part because of allowing James

822
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: Madison to score seventy in a win. I just I

823
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: love the idea of randomly going off on a team

824
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: that is in a major conference that has no business

825
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: allowing that many points.

826
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: What is man versus food? I've heard of man versus beast.

827
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: I've never heard of man versus.

828
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: Food Man Versus Food is the show that was on

829
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: I want to say the Travel Channel featuring a host

830
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: named Adam Richmond, where he would go around the country

831
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: and you know, like the like, oh, this steak place

832
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: has a seventy two ounce steak and if you can

833
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: finish it under an hour.

834
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: On the wall. So he did different challenges. I remember

835
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: this now.

836
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: So he was like, can you eat five dozen donuts?

837
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: And if you can, you become the mayor of Poughkeepsie

838
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: or something. He would just do. He would just do

839
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: all of those and it was real weird to watch,

840
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: but I appreciated the effort. And so this Elonza Barnett

841
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: eight man I have I.

842
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: Just put down Ashton gent here. It wasn't as out

843
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: of nowhere as the Alonzo Barnett game against Uncah, but

844
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: somewhere in this stupid show, we have to call out

845
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: the fact that Ashton Ginty had six games where he

846
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: rushed for two hundred more yards this past season. Obviously,

847
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: that's why he's like RB number one coming off the

848
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: draft board this year. Had an incredible season for Boise State,

849
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: took his team into the playoffs, wasn't able to get

850
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: it done. Still had over one hundred yards by the

851
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: way against Penn State, albeit mostly on a couple runs.

852
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: But Ashton Jini just a remarkable season definitely gets some

853
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: sort of big Eater award, even if it weren't, Even

854
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: if it isn't in the same context as Alonza Burnett.

855
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm calling my next word. I'm pivoting here the Tom

856
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: DeLong Award.

857
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: Where are you? Okay?

858
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: I just missed players that were excellent that ended up

859
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: in bad situations, either because of a new coach, a

860
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: new system, a new quarterback, the way defense is played

861
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: against them, the way offense is played against them. That

862
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: guys that we assumed would be household names in twenty

863
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: twenty four?

864
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: Where are you?

865
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Completely disappearing from the public consciousness? And I have Tedoroah

866
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: McMillan from Arizona who is going to be drafted in

867
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: the first round, right, yeah, it looks like yeah, he's

868
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: just ridiculous. Could be one of the first receivers off

869
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: the board. Uh and because and had the same receiver

870
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: and had a what seemed to be a past friendly

871
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: off same quarterback, excuse me, a pass friendly offense. Dino

872
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Baber's had success running offenses of course at his stops

873
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: at Bowling Green and Syracuse, Eastern Illinois. Didn't work out

874
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: for Dino, didn't work out for Brent Brennan in year one,

875
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: really didn't work out for Noah Fafida building on his

876
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three and as a result, Team Mac had

877
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: some big catches, played in zero big games. Yeah, Arizona

878
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: this season, and I just missed having Tea Mac in

879
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: our lives in a national way, that's all. What about

880
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: Luther Burden, Oh, I like that one too. Yeah, that

881
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: was a that was kind of a weird one because

882
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: we had same coordinator, same head coach, same quarterback obviously,

883
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: you know, other players new and different in situations different.

884
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: But it he fell off. It terms hurt production.

885
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: It really hurt not having the stellar ground game the

886
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: way they did the year before HM, and they just

887
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: did not have much explosion at all with that offense. Luthor.

888
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: They weren't and trying either. They weren't. They weren't. They weren't.

889
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I think is most frustrating. But

890
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: he played in every regular season game he opted out

891
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: of the Bowl, but finished with just two touchdowns through

892
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: the air, six and seventy six yards two touchdowns as

893
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: the presumptive best receiver on this team. We recall when

894
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: they got Luther Burdon, who is from the state of Missouri.

895
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: When they got him to come to Missoo, it was

896
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: a big deal. I remember a couple of years ago when

897
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: they got him. He's like, oh man, this is this

898
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: guy is going to be like the next great thing.

899
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: He's been very, very good. I think he'll be great

900
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: at the next level. I don't deny the talent, but

901
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they weren't able to get him the

902
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: ball and get him in space this year for him

903
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: to make more of an impact. It's kind of upsetting.

904
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: He had over a thousand yards a year prior, right,

905
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: but this year it was more of a I think

906
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: holistic problem with the offense that he wasn't really able

907
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: to get it going. Only had one game over one

908
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards. Just kind of crazy. Yep.

909
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: The next award that I have, I'm calling the Nordberg Award.

910
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Do you remember?

911
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so no attention to the gentleman who played the

912
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: character of Nordburg in the Naked Gun movies imber this,

913
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: but the hallmark of Nordberg is that he would always

914
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: just sort of be put through the ringer. In terms

915
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: of injuries, he'd end up in a wheelchair and the

916
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: wheelchair would lose its breaks, and he would be shot,

917
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: and he would be stabbed, and his hand would go

918
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: into a pot of boiling water and he would just

919
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: stumble all over the place, just really get through the ringer.

920
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: The last few years of Jake Dickert's life Pullman Washington

921
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: so now current head coach of wake Forest, but promoted

922
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: after Mike Leech leaves for Starkville, and things are going

923
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: pretty decently and using the portal well brings in cam Ward.

924
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: Cam Ward leaves John Matteer backs him up. John Mattere

925
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: is now gone. Obviously, Jake Dickert now gone as well.

926
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve completely falls apart, and he's like a

927
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: man without a country. And Wazoo just like keeps on going,

928
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: wins the Apple Cup in Seattle.

929
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: They win the Apple Cup like the highest of highs

930
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: for Wazoo.

931
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: After Washington is national runner up in twenty twenty three,

932
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: and you know, it's an exciting ending and it's an

933
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: emotional ending, and that stops huge stops the defense does

934
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: for Wazoo and John Mattier works out really well, but

935
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: then they lose to Oregon State. After in a press conference,

936
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: Jake Dickert says, like, we're not best buddies with Oregon

937
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: State just because the two of us have left behind.

938
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: They would leave us behind just like we would leave

939
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: them behind. Let's not get it twisted. And then Jake

940
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: Dickert left Wazoo behind. Oh and by the way, the

941
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: Wazoo athletic director left Wazoo behind for Washington. All in

942
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: the span of this time, he's been through it and

943
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: now he's off to wake Forest for some a semblance

944
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: of consistency which has not up in the case for

945
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: wake Forest obviously. So yeah, Jake Dickert gets my Nordburg

946
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: Award of just constantly being put through it.

947
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was trying to think if I had a

948
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: better answer, but I don't think I do. It's been

949
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's a it's been a hell of a

950
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: run for Jake Dickert. The last you could select any

951
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that have been on like their fifth

952
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: school in as many years. I mean, like Tyler van

953
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: Dyke was where I was thinking, Tyler Mandeck's a great

954
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: answer for the nation for the nord Burg Award, right,

955
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Tyler van Dyke is one. Max Johnson, I think is

956
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: another one that is, you know, maybe more of like

957
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: a bargain bin TVD with respect to this award. Sure,

958
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: just with respect to this award given the injury history

959
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: and all that. But it's just been like injuries and

960
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: being snake bitten are unfortunately very common. I think TJ.

961
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Finley is still making his way around. J. Finley is

962
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: still getting work, absolutely still get morek Like like he's

963
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: a like Richard carn Right, Like he's like this actor

964
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: who is still hugging along. But the Jake Dickard thing

965
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: of being in a conference and having all of your

966
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: peers leave and then you try to keep that just

967
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: is a very unique situation. I agree. I think he

968
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: deserves a nord Burger word. Yeah. Yeah.

969
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: By the way, I love anytime just sidebar here on

970
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: the I don't know if it's two, four seven or

971
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: on three, somebody does the like, oh this person is

972
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: transferred and like they're going from North Carolina, Arrow too, Texas,

973
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: A and M something like that. But I love when

974
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: there's four, like the lineup of four teams that this

975
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: player has been at and they're still going I love

976
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: that graphic like, this is the journey. This is like,

977
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: this is not a NonStop flight they show.

978
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: They show you the full chain of custody from the player. Yes, yeah,

979
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: it's that's only second to some of the headlines that

980
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: they're putting, like the the engagement farming headlines that we

981
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: have at the bottom of some of the graphics that

982
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: just say, like Tamper. There was one for Dion that

983
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: said would There was one for Crystal Ball that said bullshit.

984
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know after Like, I'm a fan of that

985
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: they're doing.

986
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: They're doing good work with that, but they're on a

987
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: heater there. They're doing great. Definitely, the chain of custody

988
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: of the players.

989
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Chain of custody, We're like, this guy's been in six

990
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: states in four years, has three and a half families.

991
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: It's great. You have one here labeled as the Susan Boyle.

992
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Award? Correct? Yes, I have

993
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: from my answer here, Northern Illinois dreaming the dream of

994
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: beating Notre Dame back in week two. I still don't

995
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: know where that came from. Mm hmm, but Northern Illinois

996
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: winning that game in week two. You have Purdue second

997
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: half against Illinois, getting very specific, staying in the Middlewest,

998
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: staying with the Illinois school. Yes, I don't remember that

999
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: what happened in the second You don't remember the second

1000
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: half of that game. I don't think I do.

1001
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: Okay, let me pull up the box score, just to

1002
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: be extremely specific. So Illinois was up big at halftime.

1003
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: They're up like thirty four to three. I'm that's what

1004
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: my brain is telling me. Twenty four to three at halftime. Okay, okay,

1005
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: Purdue makes a quarterback change. Excuse they don't make a

1006
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: quarterback change. They just decide to open things up. They

1007
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: weren't playing well. This is a quarterback change. Sort of

1008
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: ahead of this, Hudson Cards started off the year as

1009
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: produced starting quarterback. It's Ryan Brown, and they fully opened

1010
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: things up. And Purdue scores in the second half and

1011
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: overtime forty six points. Okay, yes, they scored everybody in

1012
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: the second half and lost in overtime. But Ryan Brown

1013
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: went for three hundred ish yards through the air and

1014
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: over one hundred on the ground.

1015
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

1016
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: And they just went off and people were like, oh, man,

1017
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: produce changing things up, and there was like there were

1018
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: stories about like, oh, this is Brian Walters is now

1019
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: calling the plays on offense or something. I'm getting this

1020
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: timeline mixed up, I know, especially because he's a defensive guy.

1021
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: But there was like some change behind the scenes and

1022
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: somebody lost power, somebody gained power with regard to offensive

1023
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: play calling, and just like, oh, man, Illinois pretty good

1024
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: and Purdue just like almost hammered him in that second

1025
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: half to the tune of a win, but Illinois was

1026
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: able to.

1027
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: Pull it out.

1028
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: Luke Altmeyer threw for almost like four hundred yards. Pat

1029
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: Bryant went over one hundred yards, so it became a

1030
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: legit shootout when it looked like Illinois was going to

1031
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: win that game by thirty five. And so Purdue out

1032
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: of nowhere scored forty in the second half against Illinois

1033
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 2: and lost fifty to forty nine.

1034
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: They could get losing effort of the year there too

1035
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: as well.

1036
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely could get losing effort of the year. And I

1037
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: think I remember thinking like, oh, maybe Ryan Brown in

1038
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: the same way that I think Arizona made a quarterback

1039
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: change way back when to Khalil Tait and they were like, oh,

1040
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: this guy should have been starting the whole time, and

1041
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: we've had that You know when Sam Darnold and Max

1042
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: Brown at us here like oh, this guy's the guy,

1043
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, maybe Ryan Brown's that guy. Ryan

1044
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: Brown wasn't that guy. He was that guy for that

1045
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: fleeting moment of sunshine for Purdue football in twenty two,

1046
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 2: twenty four, they won their first game. Purdue did forty

1047
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: nine to nothing against Indiana State and lost their final eleven,

1048
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: concluding with a sixty six nothing lost to Indiana In

1049
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: the Oaken Bucket Game, the Old Oakan Bucket they lost

1050
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: thirty five nothing to Oregon, forty five nothing to Ohio State.

1051
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: Very much was not like something that was indicative of

1052
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: things to come. But once again, that fleeting moment.

1053
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: It's nice. I have another sidebar here for this one.

1054
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: It's not exactly in the spirit of the award, but

1055
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: there is one highlight in particular that we barely talked

1056
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: about on this show. Okay, that came to mind. I

1057
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: don't know why when you put this on our doc. Okay,

1058
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: what do you have receiver for Oregon State? Darius Clemens. Oh, okay,

1059
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you call this play that I'm

1060
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: talking about. They do thirty four to eighteen something like that.

1061
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: The Boise State.

1062
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: It was kind of Reggie Bush. She at the sideline,

1063
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: the ability to just screech on the brakes.

1064
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: So he takes what amounts to like a bubble screen

1065
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: or just sort of like a smoke screen, something like

1066
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: a very quick pass to the perimeter about the ten

1067
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: yard line or so right. It wasn't that far away

1068
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: from the goal line. But he comes to this point

1069
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: where he is sort of pinned down against the sideline

1070
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: as he's approaching the goal line on the right side,

1071
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: and he just throws on the brakes, very casually throws

1072
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: on the brakes as two Boise State defenders just zip

1073
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: right past him, and he walks into the end zone

1074
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: and it never got nearly enough play. But truly, if

1075
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: you're watching the game, it was one of those Berman

1076
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: whoop moments that he often does, like when he's doing

1077
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: his fastest two or three minutes in sports. Where did

1078
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: that come from? No idea. It was beautiful.

1079
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 2: It was beautiful deceleration. I appreciate that I'm much better

1080
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: at stopping than going.

1081
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: Ty. You're ready for the next next category? Okay, hold on, yeah,

1082
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: you jotted down the Phlomo nineties Pencil Case Award you

1083
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: need to explain what this is. I don't know why

1084
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: you're playing that's happened it fits. I don't know what

1085
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: is a Fhlomo nineties pencil case.

1086
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I had to look this up. There were brands

1087
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: in the nineties, do you remember. So there was sort

1088
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: of like it's a rectangle, it's a little bit puffy

1089
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: on top, it's plastic, and it was a pencil case.

1090
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: But there were like buttons on it and drawers on

1091
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: it and compartments right compartments, and you would flip a

1092
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: switch and a magnifying glass would come out, so there

1093
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: would be something like that or little para scissors that

1094
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: you could use. It was everybody uses Swiss army knife

1095
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: and that's great. It was either flow Flomo was the

1096
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: brand that came up. San Rio was another one that

1097
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: it was very much like in the broader Trapper Keeper

1098
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: of verse where there were these just nineties at like

1099
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: edgucatational gadgets that were big hits. And I remember that

1100
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: specific pencil case being a thing at my school in like,

1101
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, nineteen ninety three or something.

1102
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: The Trapper do everything the Trapper Keeper verse is that

1103
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: is that how people speak English now I I think so.

1104
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: I had to look this one up too, because I

1105
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: wasn't familiar with this. Yeah. The conversation taking place on

1106
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: Reddit between people trying to buy these out on eBay is,

1107
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: in the words of one Jim Rome fah phenomenal, WU nominal, incredible.

1108
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: People still trying to buy this in the Year of

1109
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: Our Lord twenty twenty five. These things are ridiculous looking

1110
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: from what I understand based on the cursory research I've done,

1111
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: they were not cheap. I don't even know if I

1112
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: had one. I was just so impressed by that. You

1113
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: gotta pay for those compartments somehow, that's why they're not cheap. Yeah.

1114
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that this goes to in effect like

1115
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: the Swiss Army Knights. Yeah, they do everything, yes kind

1116
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: of guy who Yeah.

1117
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: I went Tyler Warren against USC Tyler Warren throwing that

1118
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: ridiculous what was it a double touchdown pass?

1119
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: He was just ridiculous.

1120
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: He would take snaps, he would catch balls like that

1121
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: was sort of the I don't know if it was

1122
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: the beginning of but to me that was the apex

1123
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: of the Tyler Warren do everything. This dude is so

1124
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: super crazy valuable for Penn State. Who needs a player

1125
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: like this for creativity purposes, for first down purposes, for

1126
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: touchdown purposes, for gravitational like screwing up defensive game plan purposes.

1127
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: If you were watching Mackie highlights, I feel like the

1128
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: USC game was probably you know, the first.

1129
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: Three and a half clips I jotted down Jalen Milroe. Actually, okay,

1130
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Milro wasn't winding up, his wide receiver, wasn't playing

1131
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: multiple positions. Everything ran through him, though, Yeah, all season long,

1132
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: and it became a parent I think towards the end

1133
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: of September, beginning part to middle of October, Alabama was

1134
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: only going to go as far as Jalen Milroe could

1135
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: take them. And so again, maybe not exact one to

1136
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: one for what you're going for here, but just the

1137
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: way that they leaned on him, and he had to

1138
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: be a passer, he had to be in some case,

1139
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: in many cases, the team's leading rusher. He had to

1140
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: be all of these things in order to propel Alabama

1141
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: for it. He almost got them into the playoff, right,

1142
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: He is a very good player. I'm not sure I

1143
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: want the Giants to draft him to play starting quarterback.

1144
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: But that's a whole other discussion. He definitely rose to

1145
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: the moment.

1146
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: Are we going to do a Giants draft prep episode?

1147
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: Though? Oh? Are we going to have that whole other discussion? No?

1148
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: No, no, are the people asking for more New York

1149
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: Giants content from this college football so.

1150
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they're asking for any New York Giants content.

1151
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: We will have our draft show with Nate Tice.

1152
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: Let's as a very closer, Let's be clear, Travis Hunter

1153
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: is the Swiss Army. He's like the official version of

1154
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: this answer, yes, and then the Flomo alt version of

1155
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 2: the These are.

1156
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: The poor man's versions of the Travis Hunter.

1157
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: Nobody did more of everything than Travis Hunter. Correct, that's

1158
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: we've accepted that as twenty twenty four college football cannon.

1159
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: It's like, now we're entire dude, right right now, we're

1160
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: into the pencil sharpener availability portion of the category. And

1161
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: Flomo's gotcha, does Flomo exist as a company anymore? Too

1162
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: lazy to look it up? Can't who knows? Can't imagine it?

1163
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Is? All right, we got a bunch of other ones here.

1164
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Let's rifle through these as quickly as we can. The

1165
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: not Like That Award for worst way to end a game.

1166
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: We have two very very good answers here.

1167
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: Dan, Yes, I put down the way Texas lost their

1168
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: playoff game to Ohio State, driving down the field with

1169
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: an opportunity to tie and fumbling it and having it

1170
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: be run back by Jack Sawyer for six. The other direction,

1171
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: and the sh and anguish and depression and disappointment. I

1172
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: have felt all of these things as an Oregon fan,

1173
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: and even I felt like finding Texas people in my

1174
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: life to just deliver roses and chocolates too, Like, I

1175
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: am so sorry you had to watch that.

1176
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: That not like that, Texas. I'm say that was a

1177
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: level ten out of ten stomach punch, Yeah, in that

1178
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: specific spot with what was on the line. Yes, that was.

1179
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: That was a brutal brutal so not like stomachs just

1180
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 1: not like that. Yeah, I've got the Colorado Baylor game.

1181
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: That's tough. Yeah. So that was the one where Chador

1182
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: rolls out to his left, throws kind of off the

1183
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: short leg against the grain hail Mary that is caught

1184
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: by Lejonte Webster for like a forty summar some odd

1185
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. It wasn't a hail Mary the way I

1186
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: think We're used to seeing a hail Mary, which is

1187
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: just throw it up into the sky and hope somebody

1188
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: jumps up and catches it. He threw this on a

1189
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: rope forty yards and he just happened to get open.

1190
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: And then there what was the circumstance then Baylor like

1191
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: fumbled crossing the goal one in overtime or something.

1192
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so in overtime it was first in goal

1193
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: at the Colorado two.

1194
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: That's right.

1195
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: And so Colorado scores a touchdown in the first overtime,

1196
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: I believe, and Baylor gets the ball to tie it,

1197
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 2: and Dominic Richardson as he's leaping to cross the goal

1198
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: line for a touchdown in overtime loses control of the ball.

1199
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: Game over, game over.

1200
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. Oh, that was a brutal loss for Baylor.

1201
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: That's real tough, which, by the way, shout out to

1202
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: Baylor for keeping their season together and one of the

1203
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: great kind of like comeback stories of twenty twenty four.

1204
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: I agree, we've got the George Brett hare on Fire Award.

1205
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: Yep, George Brett sprinted out of the dugout when he

1206
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: his bat was being inspected for pine tar I believe.

1207
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: Yes, what are you all time great baseball clips.

1208
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Shane Biemer in the Bowl game with

1209
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: Brett Bielima losing his mind. I also have Kenny Dillingham

1210
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: as the end of his very poorly managed game against BYU,

1211
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: when Sam Levitt was running around and threw the ball

1212
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: straight up to try and kill clock, and the field

1213
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: is rushed and he's just berating officials. This is the

1214
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: picked up by That's the phone from an ASU student.

1215
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: I think I love the intensity, I love the moment.

1216
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: Obviously there was more at stake for ASU in that

1217
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: moment that there was for Shane Biemer in South Carolina

1218
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: in their bowl game. So I have the George Brett

1219
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: Hair on Fire Award going to Kenny Dillingham.

1220
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: There I have as an honorable mention Lane Kiffin just

1221
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: for his work on social media after ye miss did

1222
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: not make the playoff. But that's digital rage, not race.

1223
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: Not the same. No, it's not the same, and.

1224
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 2: The rage quieted down pretty quickly once it was clear

1225
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: that the SEC was not performing super well in the postseason.

1226
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: This year, I have the next one, the Jeff Grimes

1227
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: Award for Zombie Program of the Year. Let me explain

1228
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: while we're on topic. Jeff Grimes has recently been at

1229
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: Kansas Baylor BYU. He was the offensive coordinator. I believe

1230
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: when Zach Wilson was excellent at BYU. He leaves, They're bad,

1231
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: but eventually they become good again. With Jeff Grimes long gone,

1232
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: he goes to Baylor, it doesn't work out, he leaves,

1233
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 2: They're immediately good again on offense with Jake Spavatol. They

1234
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: had a zombie situation in Kansas this season where things

1235
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: started out terribly but then came back strong with Jeff

1236
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: Grimes there, mind you. And now Jeff Grimes I think

1237
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: is onto Wisconsin, I want to say, and so hopefully

1238
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: that means good stuff is ahead after some bad stuff

1239
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: for Wisconsin, because that's Jeff Grimes experience, it appears. I

1240
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: also look this up. Do you know where Jeff Grimes

1241
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: was before BYU. I had to look it up. I

1242
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: didn't remember. No, Jeff Grimes was at LSU for the

1243
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: end of the Les Miles era, which was terrible. He leaves,

1244
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: and immediately upon him leaving, he was there for the

1245
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: first year of the ed Or Jaran era, which was unremarkable.

1246
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: He leaves LSU, they immediately find and start Joe Burrow

1247
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: and are pretty good and then just absolute world beaters

1248
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: the year after. So I have this as like the

1249
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: zombie team of the year. That's a long winded way

1250
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: of saying, who's your zombie team of the year who

1251
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: was not good in twenty twenty three and rose from

1252
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: the ashes like a phoenix. Pun intended here because I

1253
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: have ASU.

1254
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: Alrighty, I've got Ohio. Actually for my answer, I like

1255
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: that slow start, very slow start. Ohio ended up winning

1256
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: its last seven games. They won the MAC. They won

1257
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: the Bowl game without their coach, Tim Albanu left went elsewhere,

1258
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: and they did so all rather anonymously because they're a

1259
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: MAC team and because the MAC was thrown in a

1260
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: huge blender. At points this season, we thought there could

1261
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: be a six way tie atop of the conference. There wasn't, thankfully,

1262
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: but Ohio the way it kept its season together and

1263
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: the way especially they went on a run last seven

1264
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: games of the year is pretty damn impressive. So zombie

1265
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: program kind of left for dead early on to some

1266
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: extent where they were able to put back together was

1267
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: pretty cool.

1268
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have here the Kenby Mtumbo rejection out of

1269
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: nowhere award. May he rest in peace to Kenby Matambo.

1270
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: I just immediately associate modern shot blocking with the Cambi Matambo.

1271
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: And by modern, I mean he's been retired for like

1272
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 2: twenty something new years.

1273
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1274
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: At the end of the year or near the end

1275
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: of the year, there were rumors swirling that mac Brown

1276
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: was going to retire, that this was going to be

1277
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: it from mac Brown at North Carolina, and mac Brown

1278
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: decided one day to very clearly say, I know it's

1279
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: being set out there, but I plan on being back

1280
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: next year, and North Carolina officials said, nope, you're not.

1281
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: He tried to head off the story, like, let me

1282
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: just get ahead of those guys.

1283
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be back in twenty twenty five. I plan

1284
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: on doing big things for the heels and his bosses saying, ah,

1285
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 2: we're firing, We are firing you right. He tried to

1286
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 2: speak it into existence and the de Kembi Matumbo hands

1287
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: from above said not so fast.

1288
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: We have a couple ones here for tire Fire of

1289
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: the Year. This is another favorite. Yeah, what do you

1290
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: have that we rolled over or from previous versions of this,

1291
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: I mean Florida State's the obvious one. Florida State was

1292
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: a huge, raging tire fire they went to and ten

1293
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Nobody saw that coming. My sense is that

1294
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: we're gonna need to do a full episode, a full

1295
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: autopsy on Florida State, in addition to some of these

1296
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: other teams here that we also listed under this category.

1297
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: But yes, Florida State. That goes without saying, I mean

1298
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: clearly that is the answer here. But Kentucky's in that conversation.

1299
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: The okay, So here's the actual interesting thing about Kentucky

1300
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: to me from afar, Florida State lost their first game

1301
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: of the season an incredible public fashion, incredibly public fashion

1302
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: in Ireland to Georgia Tech. And people were looking at

1303
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: the schedule like, I don't know if they're gonna win

1304
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: an FBS game, right, Like they're gonna beat Charleston Southern,

1305
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: which I think was Charleston Southern. They beat them, and

1306
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 2: then you look at the rest schedule like, I don't

1307
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 2: know what else they beat Cal, And so I guess

1308
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: that's how weird the season was. In the acc that

1309
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: they were blessed with having Cal on the schedule, that's right,

1310
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: But and Cal was okay, they weren't bad, but they didn't.

1311
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: Don't think they scored a touchdown in that game against

1312
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: Florida State. Kentucky's start to the season was they lost

1313
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: like thirteen to twelve to Georgia, and you're like, uh oh,

1314
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 2: this Kentucky team, mthing.

1315
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: Might have a little bit of spunk to them. You know,

1316
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: they just held down Georgia.

1317
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: Georgia's coming off of three legitimately incredible national seasons, two

1318
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: national championships, and was obviously playoff caliber but didn't get

1319
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: into the playoff in the twenty twenty three season. And

1320
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: Kentucky just like completely squashed this this Georgia offense. And

1321
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 2: then they go and I think they had lost in

1322
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: those those first few games, demonstrably to Ole Miss, and

1323
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: you're just like, well, look, this is as easy this game.

1324
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: Sometimes this happens. And then excuse me, the South Carolina.

1325
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: They lost my South Carolina. So they lost to South

1326
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: Carolina and in not in press of fashion at ball,

1327
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: so they beat Ole Miss.

1328
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: They beat Southern Miss very early on first game of

1329
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: the year, thirty one zip. Then they lose back to

1330
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: back games. They get drilled at home by South Carolina

1331
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: thirty one to six. They lose close the following week,

1332
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: also at home thirteen to twelve against Georgia. Yeah, they

1333
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: win in resounding fashion the following week against Ohio future

1334
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: Max champion yea Ohio. And then's the game against ole

1335
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: Miss on the road.

1336
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: Ole Miss on the road, and they beat them by three.

1337
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: They hold this like crazy talented ole Miss offense with

1338
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: all this firepower to under twenty points, and you're just like,

1339
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what Kentucky is, but they're going to

1340
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: be a hard out. And then they were not a

1341
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: hard o. They were not hard away.

1342
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: No, then they end up losing six of their next

1343
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: seven after the bye week. They lose to Vanderbilt, they

1344
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: lose to Florida, get drilled by Florida on the road,

1345
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: They lose to Auburn, They lose to Tennessee to round out,

1346
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: which was just you know, a hard, rrible stretch of

1347
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 1: four games after there by the first week of October,

1348
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: and then they close out the year only beating Murray

1349
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,879
Speaker 1: State and then losing back to back games at Texas

1350
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: thirty one to fourteen, and then at home for the

1351
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: Governor's Cup against Louisville forty one to fourteen. So another

1352
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: situation where there were some really impressive wins on here,

1353
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: or close wins, I guess you could say. But in

1354
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: the end, just a really bad season for Kentucky. They

1355
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,520
Speaker 1: only won one game in conference.

1356
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: I want to say, there have been like six offensive

1357
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: coordinator ten years in as many years for Kentucky, like it,

1358
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: probably you don't need a name plate on the offensive

1359
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 2: coordinator's office. Just take like assistant and so that's Kentucky

1360
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 2: right now.

1361
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: I also put app State in this category for tire Fire.

1362
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: I think that's fine. So I had to go back

1363
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: and look at my notes for app State just to

1364
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: see what I wrote about them, because I was really

1365
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: high on this team, and when we talked about the

1366
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: Sunbelt in particular, when I we were both really high

1367
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 1: this team, and I recall saying, like, listen, we don't

1368
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: know what this new version of the sun Belt's going

1369
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: to have in store. Right with a new version being

1370
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: you know, roster turnover, we've got Kurt Signetti leaving, like,

1371
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: there were new things that we needed to discuss about

1372
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: the Sunbelt, But we felt pretty good about what Sean

1373
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: Clark was bringing back. Right. It seemed as if he

1374
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: had maybe his best team and his span of time

1375
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: there there were questions, persistent questions about the defense and

1376
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: whether they could take a step forward because coming into

1377
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: this year it was three straight years of regression on

1378
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Yes, and my hypothesis before

1379
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: the year was, well, they got to get better. They

1380
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: got to get better. They've got enough coming back, they

1381
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: got to get better. There were also questions along the

1382
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: offensive line, but this was a really good offense the

1383
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: year before. It just it seemed as if all the

1384
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: ingredients were there. Yes, it didn't get better on defense,

1385
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. No, they got worse. They

1386
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: got much worse on defense. And then in terms of

1387
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: their offense, the line actually did hold up its end

1388
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: of the bargain. But this was not as good of

1389
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: an offense, not by a long shot, as it had

1390
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: been the previous season. They also turned the ball over

1391
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: a ton, something like one hundred and eighteenth nationally in

1392
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: turnover ratio. Maybe I'm getting that wrong, but it was

1393
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: not good to say the least. They were just mistake prone.

1394
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: They were not as good as expected, and as such,

1395
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: now app State's got a new coach, so definitely a

1396
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: missed opportunity for my money for app State this past season.

1397
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: Maybe not quite the degree of a tire fire as

1398
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: a Florida state or even a Kentucky, but in terms

1399
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: of letdowns app state, oh yeah, definitely up there.

1400
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: I have the Duff Award for sudden quarterback room in competence.

1401
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: That sound, I love it. It's city pop time, City pop Okay.

1402
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: Do you know what city pop is? I do now.

1403
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: It's Japanese funk jazz fusion from the early eighties, The

1404
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: Duff Award, The Duff Okay. There was a movie that

1405
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: I have never seen, The Duff. I have no idea

1406
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 2: what it's about, other than it appears to be like

1407
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: a high school team, you know, rom com type movie.

1408
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: There is a scene in which the starting quarterback is

1409
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: shown warming up and throwing a ball something and has

1410
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: what is probably the worst form of any football actor

1411
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: that has ever existed on the silver screen. I did

1412
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of research and the actor is Canadian,

1413
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 2: so maybe there's something there, But like, we've had quality

1414
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: Canadian quarterbacks in college football, so I don't know. There's

1415
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: a whole Canadian football league. There's a whole Canadian football league.

1416
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: There's a whole Canadian football family that has won seven

1417
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: thousand games for Ohio University. Yeah, Jesse Palmer's Canadian.

1418
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: There's a bunch.

1419
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: If you look this up, this is it's like a

1420
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 2: meme at this point. Look up the quarterback from the

1421
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 2: Duff it is It's real. It's a real tough watch.

1422
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: Tie you seing this. I'm trying to find did you

1423
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: see you watching?

1424
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is an award for the worst quarterback room,

1425
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 2: inexplicably in this sport out of nowhere in twenty twenty four.

1426
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: I have Michigan, Yeah.

1427
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: Just in terms of where they were with what they

1428
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 2: could be to roll out a Davis Warren, Jack Tuttle

1429
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:29,440
Speaker 2: Alex Orgy grouping. Just I felt for Michigan people. Obviously

1430
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 2: all's well, that ends well with beating Ohio State, but

1431
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: for the stretch of the season where they were looking

1432
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: like they did against you take your pick, Illinois, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, USC.

1433
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: Even in winning efforts, sometimes it was real tough. Do

1434
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: you see the clip I'm watching it? This is Robbie Emel.

1435
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 2: I think is that a famous person? I know who

1436
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 2: Steven Emel is. He was in a show that solid

1437
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: wife Kate used to watch, The Frank Stalone. I think

1438
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: this is a frank still own situation. Yeah, I'm not

1439
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: familiar with this movie either, but oh what is that form?

1440
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real tough, so that's the Duff Award. Oh no, yeah,

1441
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: I was sort of sort of flicking it. I mean,

1442
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy has like the all American clean

1443
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: cut quarterback. Look to him as well, and then to

1444
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: oh no, this is why I don't know what that's bad.

1445
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: Teach your children. This is my parenting tip. Take it

1446
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: or leave it.

1447
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: Teach your children to throw. I'm not saying your children

1448
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 2: need to be great athletes. I'm not saying your children

1449
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: need to be average athletes. But if you can at

1450
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 2: all impart throwing coordination from a young age, just like

1451
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 2: I don't golf, but I can golf. I can swing

1452
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: a golf club without looking like a goober. Like I

1453
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 2: think you need to minimize just for basic social interactions,

1454
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 2: minimize goober sports forms like hey, you want to shoot

1455
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 2: some hoops and then go out there and just are

1456
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: throwing it from the wrong year, you know, shooting it

1457
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: from the like that kind of stuff, shooting it from

1458
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 2: the wrong.

1459
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: He threw this football so badly he had to do.

1460
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: He did a hit on Rich eisen where he had

1461
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: to prove that he could throw it normally. Really, yeah,

1462
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: and honestly it's really it's this isn't good form either, No,

1463
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: I assume not. This is he's throwing. I mean, it's

1464
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: better he throws. There's a lot of shot put in this,

1465
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: but at least it's a spiral coming out of his hand. Okay,

1466
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna need to dig into this a

1467
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: little bit more. For sure. It's real tough. Yeah, it's

1468
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: a tough one. But yes, I'm sure you've met people.

1469
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: You've been at like gatherings where you're like you want

1470
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 2: to throw a football around, or like you want to

1471
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 2: throw a frisbee, and just.

1472
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: Like you need to teach. Yeah, in the schools, parents, whoever.

1473
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: You got to get people. You got to get good

1474
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: form going early on. Again, not for necessarily athletic success,

1475
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 2: but to set up a lifetime of just being average

1476
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: at being able to move.

1477
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: You could tell within a millisecond if somebody's learned how

1478
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: to throw ball, Yeah millisecond. All right, we got a

1479
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: few other ones here real quick? Where all right, let's

1480
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 1: ride the tooth here? Yeah, what else do we got? Okay,

1481
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: we have.

1482
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: I have the three Gusts of wind Award.

1483
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: Three gus. Oh, so the three gus of wind Away

1484
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: Award is Minnesota. Yes, Minnesota finished the regular season, I

1485
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: think with seven wins. That's right.

1486
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: If you look at how they finished against Michigan, Penn State,

1487
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 2: and I believe North Carolina to open the season, they

1488
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: were like five or six points away from ten wins,

1489
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: like two and a half minutes of quality football away

1490
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: from double digit wins. So I called this the anti

1491
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: Peter North not knowing.

1492
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: How to finish. That's right, absolutely, I have that for

1493
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: the Gophers this year. The mcgruber inover is Head Award

1494
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: we gave to Ryan Walters and Brent Brennan. Yeah, didn't

1495
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: work out super well for either of those guys. Ryan

1496
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: Walters has gone. Brent Brannan is still there. We'll see

1497
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: if he can get things back on the tracks.

1498
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: But a lot of cutaways of the sideline on the

1499
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 2: sideline of these two coaches not really following how things

1500
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 2: were collapsing around them.

1501
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: Ryan Walters is going to be coaching defense at Washington,

1502
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: which I think is a good higher for Jetfish. Yeah.

1503
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,959
Speaker 1: Ryan Walters was great as a defensive coordinator at Illinois.

1504
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: Before taking that job at Purdue. But for a whole

1505
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: multitude reason did not work out at Purdue.

1506
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: Coached against some garbage big ten offenses at Illinois, but

1507
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,520
Speaker 2: you know what, at Washington he will have the opportunity

1508
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: to coach against some garbage big ten offenses.

1509
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaking of coaches, yes, this is our not Coach

1510
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: of the Year. M you labeled it as the just

1511
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: have to be faster than the other guy award. Yeah,

1512
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: I have a very specific reference continue not Coach of

1513
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: the Year in my book, and I guess by your

1514
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: classlassification here just having to be faster than the other guy.

1515
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 1: We both went with Mike Gundy. Yes, now, Mike Gundy

1516
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: in my book here is the not coach of the

1517
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: Year because.

1518
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 2: More than Norvel. I would say Norvell was worse given

1519
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 2: where they were in twenty twenty three. But I'm I'm

1520
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: giving it to Gundy because Norvella attracted so much attention

1521
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: away as a collapsing coach.

1522
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I mean, to be fair. There

1523
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: were questions about Florida State coming into this year because

1524
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: they lost a lot to the raft. I agree. You know,

1525
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: you lose Jordan Travis, who was a team captain who

1526
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: was there at the start of the project for Mike

1527
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 1: Norvel and you know, on the heels of the season

1528
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: that they had it. It seemed to me, even though

1529
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: the ACC was very gettable and we know that now,

1530
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: it seemed to me that there were still a fair

1531
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: amount of questions about Florida State. I did not have

1532
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: them winning the ACC. I did have Oklahoma State playing

1533
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: for the Big Twelve, and I think a lot of

1534
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: people did. We did a show with Scott right from

1535
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma and we talked about if not now when

1536
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: For Mike Gundy, this is a guy who's been there forever,

1537
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: only actually has one conference title to his name. It's

1538
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: been very successful coach, but recruiting has not necessarily been

1539
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: the strong suit the last couple of years. You know,

1540
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: they're not averse to the transfer portal. They're just sort

1541
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: of still figuring things out and IL is kind of

1542
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: a work in progress right It's but the ingredients were there.

1543
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 1: This past season. They had a ton of returning production.

1544
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: At least on the surface, it looked like the schedule

1545
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: was there. This is a bad team. It's a really

1546
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: bad team this past season. So there were talks then

1547
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 1: in the off season, the immediate offseason right after the

1548
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: year about Gundhy and you know, was he going to

1549
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: stick around or not? Supposedly given an ultimatum to take

1550
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: a contract that he wasn't super in favor of. But

1551
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, I guess they settled their differences and Gundy

1552
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: is still going to be there moving forward. But it

1553
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: does not seem to me like a situation that obviously

1554
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: worked out well in twenty twenty four, and I'm not

1555
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: certain it's going to go to a better place in

1556
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Right, So for me, the answer is Gundy.

1557
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: And I think there's already I saw the word groundwork

1558
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 2: for a succession plan and still water that Mike Gundy

1559
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: is going to be involved with in some way. So

1560
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: all the new language and his new deal indicates that,

1561
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: like this is going to be a bridge here, it

1562
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: seems for Oklahoma State and Mike Gundy. The reason I

1563
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: said that, like, you just have to be faster than

1564
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: the other guy. It's just like, how do you outrun

1565
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,839
Speaker 2: a bear? As you're faster than the other guy.

1566
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: And Mike Gundy outran Mike Norvelle in the Battle of

1567
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 1: Mike's running away from the bear of incompetence. Yeah, Mike Gundy,

1568
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: at least early on, won a little bit more. But

1569
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: did I don't think did Oklahoma State? They finished winless

1570
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve, winless in the Big twelve.

1571
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yes, so he was the fast So it's

1572
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: the award for the faster Mike. That's faster bad Mike

1573
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: coach in twenty twenty four.

1574
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: Look, there were questions about what kind of consistency they

1575
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: could get out of a guy, you know, like an

1576
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Alan Bowman. H you know, I mean there were fair

1577
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: questions I think about this team, yes, coming into the year,

1578
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: but even still looking at the teams that were on

1579
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: this schedule, just in conference, right, Utah obviously very beatable,

1580
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: Kansas State one of the better teams. That game was

1581
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: on the road. They did end up losing. They lost

1582
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 1: all these games. But just in looking back, even though

1583
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: you had a team like in Arizona State ascend late,

1584
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: even though you had a school like a BYU I

1585
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: think punch Way Above Projections or even Colorado, right, there

1586
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: were good teams on the schedule, but these were all

1587
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: gettable teams. With the returning production that they brought back

1588
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: this year, there was no reason for them to bottom

1589
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 1: out the way that they did. They bottomed out on offense,

1590
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: they bought them out on defense, The running game went

1591
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: away completely. Ali Gordon came back, didn't do anything. They

1592
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: were not able to kind of tap into his skill

1593
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: set either. So this was just a really bad campaign

1594
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: for Oklahoma State and for my money to just look

1595
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: at this team and say, Okay, three and nine. I

1596
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: was projecting nine and three at an absolute bare minimum

1597
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: for this team coming into the year. I'm still dumbfounded

1598
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: by how they did this with that roster and all

1599
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: that returning production.

1600
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean, Cowboy fans would tell you Oklahoma State is

1601
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: the consummate as soon as you think.

1602
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: They're really I know, I know they've got a little

1603
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: bit of Auburn in them, don't they. Right as soon

1604
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: as you think that they are gonna struggle this year,

1605
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: I just don't see how they get to a bowl.

1606
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: They go to the Big twelve championship game. That's they

1607
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: are that program right now, among others, but they are.

1608
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: They might be the most pronounced version of that in

1609
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 1: this moment.

1610
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 2: Why don't we close this one out, Dan with a

1611
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 2: couple more Which one are you gonna go to?

1612
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say with with an old favorite here. Okay,

1613
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about gumpy teams. Oh yes, of

1614
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,560
Speaker 1: course he jotted down the gumpiest Gumps.

1615
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 2: The gumpiest gumps that ever gumped. And that's not an insult.

1616
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 2: It's a reference to the fact that Forrest Gump found

1617
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 2: himself at various historic moments in time, whether it was

1618
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: on the National Mall, whether it was meeting presidents, whether

1619
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: it was in Wars, whether it was investing in Apple.

1620
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: I believe.

1621
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: That it was just Forrest Gump found himself in the

1622
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: crosshairs of history, Tye. And so who is that team

1623
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 2: that keeps appearing in big moments of the twenty twenty

1624
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 2: four season.

1625
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: I had Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech.

1626
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 2: So Georgia Tech. Okay, here's who they played this season.

1627
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech started the year in Ireland, beating Florida State.

1628
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: They got the f animal in their first friend ac

1629
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: C road game. It's in a close losing effort. They

1630
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 2: get the final year of Mac Brown, They get the

1631
01:26:55,160 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: national runners up in Notre Dame. They get the best

1632
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 2: offense in America, it seems in Mario Cristobal and cam

1633
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: Ward and Miami and hold them down with a quarterback,

1634
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: a two quarterback situation in which their starting quarterback couldn't

1635
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 2: throw the ball because he had a wounded shoulder. And

1636
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: then they go to fact check me if you need

1637
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: to eight overtimes against their rival in Georgia on the

1638
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: road in one of the most insane was that a

1639
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 2: Friday night game, I want to say rivalry weekend. And

1640
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: then they get Diego, Pavia and Vanderbilt in a losing

1641
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: effort in their Bowls season, and obviously Diego and Vandy

1642
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: one of these stories of the twenty twenty four season.

1643
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: They were everywhere, Man, Georgia Tech TV show, TV show,

1644
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: all right, why don't we leave it there? Dan, Okay,

1645
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: you've got some other ones. You're going to go through

1646
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: rapid fire. Do I think I might have one more?

1647
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: I have the Latex Salesman. I think that's all I

1648
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: have left here, the Lateex Salesman Award. Just near the

1649
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: end of the season, there was a lot of noise

1650
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: and commotion about like, how is this a playoff without

1651
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: Alabama and what they've done and who they've beaten? How

1652
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: is this a playoff without Old Miss and the you know,

1653
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: the number two scoring defense? And this explosive offense, and

1654
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: Ole Miss loses to Kentucky, Alabama lose to Oklahoma and

1655
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: the fashion that they lose to and those teams that

1656
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: they lost to, and you want to be my playoff teams?

1657
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 1: I give the award to both of those teams. In

1658
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: the SEC the late tech salesman Seinfeld reference to those

1659
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: two teams like, how dare you want to be my

1660
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: playoff teams? Putting forth the effort against those teams? How

1661
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: dare you? Sirs?

1662
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 2: So they get that award, and I think that's everything.

1663
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: I think that's everything I wrote down in my ridiculous

1664
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 2: round Table Pizza Awards banquet.

1665
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Man, I'm still watching Robbie and Mel throwing this football.

1666
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: It's it's a tough breakdown. It's I don't know, hurt

1667
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: your arm throwing, Like yeah, he's like throwing a screwball

1668
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: somehow with the football. Well, he's like kind of if

1669
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: a paper airplane were shaped like a football. It's kind

1670
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: of how you would throw a paper airplane. So if

1671
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: you were so bad, this is if you were on

1672
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: a balcony and you wrote a note and turned that

1673
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: note into a paper airplane and we're throwing it down

1674
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: to somebody in a courtyard. That's how he's throwing the football.

1675
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't tear your rotator cuff

1676
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: like this? Yeah good, hell yeah. On that note, note

1677
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 1: another installment of the Verbies now in the books. Longer

1678
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: show than usual today, but had a lot to get

1679
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: off our chest. Don't forget to hit foul, hit subscribe.

1680
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: If you made it this far, in for a dime,

1681
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: in for a dollar, man, you made it pretty deep

1682
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: into this show, like ninety minutes or so, why don't

1683
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: you hit file so that you don't miss any of

1684
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: our episodes. We're going to be coming your way all

1685
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: off season long. Thank you so much for your ongoing support.

1686
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: We do appreciate it. If you really like what Dan

1687
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: and I do, you want to further help us keep

1688
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: the lights on, going out to Verballers dot com. V

1689
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: er B A L L E r s dot com.

1690
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: That's where you get access to the ad free episodes,

1691
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: the bonus content or discord server, our community, so on

1692
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: and so forth. Would encourage you all to check that out.

1693
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: If you're like what we do, we'll be back on Thursday.

1694
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,799
Speaker 1: We've got a whole off season of stuff here. To discuss.

1695
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 1: Dan and I are still kind of trying to figure

1696
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 1: out what we're doing next and when we're doing it,

1697
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: but we will alas have a show for you on

1698
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Thursday in the meantime for that guy over there, for myself,

1699
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Ty Hilton Brand. Thank you as always for downloading, for listening,

1700
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: for supporting. We will talk to you all since. Stay solid, peace,