WEBVTT - Hip Hop Hooray! It's Insurrection Day! 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.880 You are listening to Waiting on Reparations, a production of 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:15.880 I Heart Radio. Hey what is happening night, Franca? We 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.800 are waiting on reparation and waiting on some coup of 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.720 test results because that I'm marry on. It's no joke, man, 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.400 Yeah so yeah, I mean we were just talking before 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.920 we started recording. Wait, so do you think you might 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.040 got the RUNA? I might? I might. So baby was 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.720 having a fever of like a hundred and two on Saturday. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.839 Took him to the hospital. They just gave him Thailand. All. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.159 So that's gonna be fun to pay emergency room bill 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.000 for Thailand. All. But Thailand, you know, got him tested 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.640 for the RUNA does in case, and we're still waiting 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.080 to get those results back. But since then, I have 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.560 also started to not feel very well. So, um, we 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.440 see this is comparable to uh, the first time that 0:00:58.440 --> 0:00:59.600 you got it. The first time I got it was 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.160 a matic I other than I think what ended up 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.800 actually being a panic attack, but to me registered as 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.880 chess pains at the time. Other than that was totally fine. Um. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.080 And I and I also, you know, throughout pregnancy, etcetera, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.440 have been sick multiple times this year that weren't COVID, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.000 like you know, got tested, everything was fine. So I 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.200 might just have a compromised immune system from stress and 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.640 other factors. And so maybe it's not that. But given 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.840 the explosion in cases that we have seen in the 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.520 last two weeks, I think over a million cases um 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.360 reported on one of one day of this last week, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.480 might have been yesterday, probably wouldn't be shocked. It feels 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:44.160 like every single person, like I've had multiple like potential 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.400 exposures like over the last two weeks. Oh, I mean 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.320 we have. We both have a mutual friend of the 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.480 show who right now suffering from it, and I mean 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.680 just I mean, I guess it's all anecdotal, but it's like, 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:01.520 you know, when the initial pandemic hit, it's like there's 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.160 definitely people who I knew who were affected by it. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.360 And then when Delta hit, it's like, Okay, more people 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.640 that I know are affected by it. And now with 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:15.400 the with the new Amarian strain, oh, sh like everybody 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.800 who everybody who I know has got COVID, Like every 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.560 like things in Savannah starting to shut down again, you know, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.680 I mean, everybody's canceling parties and live events and stuff 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.840 that they had going on. So um, yeah, no, it 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.400 definitely is no joke. But since you are not feeling well, ship, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.480 let's sucking. Let's let's keep it moving, right, Let's keep 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.520 it moving. We've got lots of cheery, other cheery topics 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.680 to discuss this week. Particularly this is speaking of which 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.880 Happy Insurrection Day everybody, Yeah, the anniversary. Yes, So we 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.160 generally record on like early in the week, so I 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.840 don't even think we got the chance other than I 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.720 think last year we had an episode the week after 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.079 the insurrection, the attempted coup to um, we talked a 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.440 little bit about the rise of my right wing fascism. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.880 But this is our first time to really, like, you know, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:07.200 reflect deeply on the other incarnations of fascism in in 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.160 the United States, particularly as they have bloomed over the 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.720 last year in the aftermath of the insurrection. And we're 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.840 actually speaking you're speaking with somebody today who is an 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.120 expert on on right wing extremism and anti and you know, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.600 anti fascist organizing from what I understand, Yeah, we're gonna 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:28.920 be talking with Christopher Goldsmith today and um, he's a 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.160 really cool guy, really interesting cat. He's an ex army 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.200 vet and when he got out, he started working with 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:39.040 doing veterans work and noticing that, uh, you know, some 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.480 of his brothers in arms were kind of susceptible to 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:48.240 you know, recruitment by right wing extremist groups, and that 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.040 started the work that he started doing infiltrating some of 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:59.600 those organizations, reporting them actually actively sabotaging their plans and 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.920 movement and stuff like that. So we're gonna be chatting 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.520 with him just about his thoughts on, you know, the 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.760 year after January six, some of the things the right 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.920 wing extremist groups have been up to, and just where 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.360 he thinks things are heading. So that's gonna be a 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.360 really dope conversation. But before we get into that, we're 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.719 just gonna recap some of our thoughts on January six 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.760 and talk about some of those same things. We will 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:35.160 be back with that after the jump. All right, we 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.080 are back. So, I mean, you know, I don't think 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.560 anybody who's listening to the show who's been under a rock. 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:46.160 Most people know what the events of January six, two tho, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.440 you know, were, But if you don't know like the 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.280 full details of stuff, or even if you want to 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.680 like get like a full sense of the picture, of 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.400 full scale of what what with them? I suggested everybody 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.120 check out the Southern Poverty Law Center. They have a 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:07.000 extremely dope timeline of all of the events, and I mean, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.320 I'm talking about dating back before George Floyd's murder. But 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:16.040 they kind of go through the rundown of all of 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.680 of the entire year to show you all of the 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.400 little events nationwide that we're leading up to what eventually 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.960 it took place on January six. But just to kick 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.040 it off for you're gonna read this little uh opening 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.159 of how they opened up that timeline. So on January six, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.400 two thousand twenty one, a right wing mob stormed the U. S. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.880 Capitol at the urging of President Donald J. Trump in 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.520 an attempt to prevent the certification of the presidential election results. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.599 But the attack didn't come from nowhere. It was the 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.000 culmination of a year of increasingly radical activity by a 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.680 slew of extremists around the country. They mobilized against racial justice, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.680 COVID nineteen prevention measures, and voting rights for all Americans, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.640 and they were goaded on by the President and other 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:06.880 politicians on the right. I mean, I'm sorry I didn't 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.039 so similar to the aftermath of the George Floyd murder, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.160 there was almost universal there's almost universal combination of the riot. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.520 But just like with Floyd, it only took a few 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.400 weeks before Republican politicians began to rationalize and justify it 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.960 um As a congratsional investigation into the event wraps up. Now, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.520 more and more evidence has come out about the director 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.600 involvement of Trump, his staff, and administration, as well as 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.760 various right wing media figures. You know, there's text messages 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.840 that came out between uh, talking heads at Fox News 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.520 and Trump's children trying to dissuade Trump from egging on 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:50.039 the rioters. Um that were you know, ultimately ignored, etcetera. UM. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.320 They've been finding like all sorts of hidden memos and 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:59.640 drafts and PowerPoint presentations to show exactly like how like 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.640 I mean, the main thing is, it's like in real time, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.520 like experiencing it, it seems ridiculous, you know, and it 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.680 seems like he he ha haw other sart of losers, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.320 or this is funny or they're being ridiculous. But in 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.680 the you know, the time sense, it's like we found 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:19.400 out how calculated and deliberate this entire thing was. And 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.520 and not only that, but also how much most of 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.920 these not even most, how much all of these right 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.720 wing politicians did not believe a word of what they 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.360 were saying, Like none of them believe that the Donald 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.000 Trump really won the election. None of them believe it, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.560 but they're saying it anyway. So a lot of that 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.760 stuff has been exposed and is coming out. And I mean, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.000 one way or another, this committee is going to end 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.160 because you know, the Republicans are most likely going to 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.640 win back the House, and when they do, they're probably 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.120 gonna shut this ship down the next day if it's 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.960 still going on. So and this is important why I 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.320 you know, in my life of elected service whatever um 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.320 and very resistant to the like the committee ization of 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.520 everything of like, oh, let's assign that to a committee. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.000 Let's have a committee investigate that, you know, study for reparations. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.000 Let's assign that to a committee. You know, January six, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.600 let's have a committee look into that, because it's just 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.880 where they send stuff to die like that. A year later, 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.440 like none of the folks that were encouraging this insurrection 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.720 have been expelled from Congress or even censured in a 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.960 major way. None of them have, to my understanding, been 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.839 stripped of their committees or anything like that. Uh, let 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:42.079 alone any sort of legal action taken against them for treason, etcetera. Um, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.400 you know, we just assigned the committee, and yes, yes, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.679 we've you know, discovered a lot of harrowing details about 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.360 it through the course of this investigation. But like you said, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.080 probably will take back the house nubsp No's gonna happen. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.040 It's shocking to degree to which Republicans have continued to 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.840 push the big lie. You know, in Cobb County this 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:08.199 week there is a pob County Republican Party is hosting 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.800 like a vigil for the j six patriots that you 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:18.600 know are being persecuted, etcetera, etcetera. Um. Like, folks have 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.640 just become ever more emboldened since then because nothing there 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:26.480 were really no consequences for I mean, you give him 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.520 motherfucker interest, they're going to take a vial or a 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.640 yard or whatever the saying is. But I mean it 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.280 really is like that there. Paul gos Are is still 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.240 still there. He's still he's still going to white supremacist 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.400 rallies and then going to the house. Like you know 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.959 what I'm saying, He's he's still going back and forth 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.480 like it's I don't think that I don't know, I 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.120 don't think that I don't think that it's sunk in 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.439 how like the madness of that situation. I don't think 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.920 it's really stuck to landing as much as you know 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.560 lives in mainstream media. They report on it at nausea, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.360 so it's not like it's not being reporting. But for 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:15.200 whatever reason, from like a public standpoint, that ship didn't 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.360 stick the way that it did, you know, again speaking 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.560 in in cliches, but it's like, obviously if that was 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.640 like a Black Lives Matter protest, that was a bunch 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.400 of Muslim people that like we you know, you can 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.559 go down the list of like what group, what demographic 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.679 that that group could have been made of, that would 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.160 make us still be talking about it today like it 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.880 was the traumatizing national, traumatizing event that it was, you 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.959 know what I'm saying. But it's like whenever right wingers 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.320 do shit, ship doesn't. I don't know why, but ship 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.360 just doesn't seem to stick because like it seems like 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:58.080 I think this was an emblematic of like America in that, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.080 you know, oftentimes the folks pulling the strings and inciting 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.960 the terror get away or you know, just for you 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.160 know who, or complicit in the crimes, but are like 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.560 big wigs of some fashion get away with ship. And 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.400 then the foot soldiers are the ones that get popped 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.719 because there have been some pretty serious consequences for a 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.720 number of the people who physically stormed the capital, even 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.840 if there haven't been for the folks that whooped them 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.960 into a frenzy. Just like how during the housing christ 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.520 of the two thousand eight, you best believe the folks 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.480 the men that were beating their wives because they were 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.800 losing their houses, and the folks that were turned into 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.199 prostitution or whatever because they lost their jobs, and the 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.480 kids that you know started selling weed because the parents 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.160 whole college fund for them got you know, disappeared overnight. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.040 You best believe all those people went to jail. You 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.440 best believe all these people want to do, but the 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:57.719 Wall Street motherfucker's did not, because the people at the 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.520 top skate by and they're totally fine. No matter what 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.559 sorts of calamities the engineer, it's the people that are 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.600 doing the footwork that are that is the result of 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.280 that engineered calamity. That there are the people that go 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:15.120 to jail. I mean, I agree, I like the correct 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:19.360 but I mean, still there's a there's a still there's 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:24.240 a disparity. Though. It's like I think that like if 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.000 I hear of somebody who was, you know, participated in 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:34.760 the Gen six thing, Oh this person got two years 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.880 or oh this person got like five years or something 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.720 like that, to me, that sounds like, wow, that's like 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.760 serious consequences. But I'm I'm saying that as like somebody 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.280 who generally just generally as a you know, a ruler prinsiple, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.200 doesn't really like want motherfucker's going to jail like that, 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.839 you know what I mean. But we damn sure know 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.040 that they would be handing out five and ten years 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.320 sentences like gettles if this was a Black Lives Matter protest, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:05.840 you know what I'm saying, Like, like none of that 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.040 would matter. And and the thing is the thing that 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.479 kills me about like people on the left is like 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.200 like we're using all of these like qualifiers as to 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:22.440 why we shouldn't look down on this situation or why 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.000 you know what I mean, we shouldn't have as big 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.920 of a hysteria as like mainstream media, like mainstream establishment 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.120 democrats are having on it. We shouldn't be that freaked 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.440 out about the situation because oh man, they're just gonna 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.560 if we if they crack down on this, then think 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.840 about when they're in power, they're gonna crack down on 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.959 left wing activism and lest left wing protests and stuff 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.920 like that. It's it's like, what what planet or motherfucker's 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:58.000 living on they're gonna do that anyway? That's yeah, like 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.040 there's there's no there's no like reality that's gonna happen 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.079 where we go through another period of their being, like 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.000 you know, heavy protests on the left, that our heavy 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.920 protests coming from the left. There's no no world where 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:18.640 we're gonna be in that situation and Republicans or conservatives 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.200 and charge A're gonna say, man, you know what, we 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.680 were going to crack down on them, but they didn't 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.760 cracked down on the jam six guys. So it's cool, 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.600 like what, yeah, this is getting this that not going 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.120 to be the kid na, although you know, it's really interesting. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:38.520 Like I generally try to avoid amplifying horseshoe theory because 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.280 I do think it is ultimately reactionary like way to 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.680 discredit the left at times, but the idea that like, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.320 you know, the far right and the far left like 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.400 sort of meat in the middle in some ways, kind 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.240 of like if politics were a horseshoe. However, something that 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.240 I do find really interesting is the way that Marjorie 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.880 Taylor Green and Matt Gates and folks like that have 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.960 been calling for justice for the j six wrioters that 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.000 are being unfairly treated in prison, and like, look at 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.760 these horrible conditions in prison, and it's like, yo, we've 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.480 been trying to tell you that for so long, Like yes, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.960 comrade Marjorie Taylor Green, Like that's that's the thing, is like, 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.880 but that's the thing is like it's all disingenuous, and 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.400 it's all on purpose, and it's all the oh no, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.400 I'm absolutely playing. I'm playing. But it's just really you're paying. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.920 There's mad people. There's mad people who don't who think 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.840 that un ironically, I mean, who like aren't playing her 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.440 like and it's it's just it's totally weird. Like when 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:47.120 when Marjorie Taylor Green starts talking like she's sucking MLK 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.080 about prison conditions and stuff like that in the context 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.640 of January six people, she's doing that on purpose. You 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.680 know what. I mean like she's purposely co opting like 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.080 language like that about like prison conditions and pstances like 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.480 they're doing they're trolling, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.080 they're they're trying to be like wink wink funny, like 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.080 ha ha ha, we're using their stuff. So you know 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.560 what I mean. So I don't know. I I don't 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.400 like for me, I don't necessarily know whether I'm in 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.840 the mindset of a throw the hammer at them as 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:25.720 an example to their friends or whatever. But I mean 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.240 when you when you you're essentially telling motherfucker's that feel 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:36.240 entitled to ship already that is good. Not only those good, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:41.120 but like sit tight until y'all boys get back. That's not. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.920 It's like none of this stuff is good, and I'm 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.440 not I'm not talking about the usual good like when 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.720 you like watch the news and ship and you're like, oh, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.960 that's bad. I mean like this ship this is like bad, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.360 Like like where where this this ship is heading? Is it? 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.920 It's January six was just a dry run. It was 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.600 just practice. It was dress rehearsal, you know what I mean. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.439 And it's like in the year that has passed since, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.560 you know, laws have been changed to to take away 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.520 people's voting rights. Things have been implemented to make it 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.000 harder and more difficult for people to vote. So I 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.399 don't know, I see them, I see them making this 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.280 play for their minority rule thing, and you know what 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.960 I mean, they're they're not slowing down with it at all. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.359 But yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pretty shifty stuff. Do 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.200 you sorry? I was gonna say, do you recall like 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:44.320 your thoughts or feelings that day January? Yeah? I mean 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.760 I remember it was it was daytime and ship and 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.960 I don't know if you were home. I think I 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.200 may have been. Where would I have been? It's a pandemic. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.520 Oh yeah, true, true, true, true, um, but yeah, I 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:05.560 like for me, it was kind of like it was 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:10.440 kind of like a uh like the O. J. Simpson 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.919 running away in the White Bronco or like even like 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.280 Christopher Goldsmith he was saying, like for him, it was 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.320 like the similar feeling to nine eleven, not like the 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.200 gravity of the situation, not comparing them in that sense, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:30.080 but just comparing the like the weight of it, you 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.280 know what I'm saying, Like I remember, you know, there 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.000 there's certain there's certain things that have happened in in 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.080 life throughout life where it's like it happens that day 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.679 and you remember like that day, you remember where you 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.600 were when you saw it going down, you know what 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.120 I mean, Like you remember how like the room smelled 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.119 like it's one of the it's one of It was 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.520 one of those situations for me where I'm watching it 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.119 on TV and not knowing how it was going to 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.280 play out, me just completely thinking that the cops are 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.040 just gonna start bucket people at some point and expecting it, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.119 you know what I mean. So I was I was 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.080 just like sitting there watching it, like, man, I'm gonna 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.560 remember this for the rest of my life, you know. Yeah, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.760 for sure, definitely, Definitely. It felt very momentous. It felt 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.160 like a watershed moment because it was so unclear what 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.880 was going to happen next, Like are they gonna start 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:20.240 storming capital? It's all over the nation? Uh da da 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:21.840 da da dad. That was the day. That was the 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.679 day I got sworn into my second term, and like 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.359 I was like furiously texting the city manager like is 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.720 it safe, and people like making fun of me like yeah, 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.560 it's fine, It's like yeah, bench, you ain't never got 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.840 no lynching threats, ma'am, Like, of course you're not worried. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.680 I'm not trying to stand outside City Hall get my 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.680 brains blown out by sniper on the parking deck. Like 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.160 just so much, so much uncertainty of what the larger 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.119 implications were for it in that moment of like, yeah, 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:53.000 where is this going? Yeah, and it could have got bad. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.160 I mean it could have got he got so so bad. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.280 I think I heard something about a report that came 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:08.200 out that said that there actually was like a like 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:12.879 you know, damn mear like Special Forces hostage rescue sort 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.240 of like team on standby while all the ship was 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.200 going down. So the question was like, okay, how come 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.679 they didn't go into action? Why were they implemented? And 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:26.560 it was like, no, no, these dudes don't. Like these 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.480 dudes go to clear building and nobody standing up when 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.879 they're done, you know what I'm saying. So it was 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.800 kind of they were on standby pretty much waiting like 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.840 if that door, you know, the door where um Ashley 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.320 Babbitt got shot, But they're pretty much standing by like 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.320 waiting to see if that door was gonna get breached, 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.560 and if that should have gotten breach, there would have 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.360 been some like operators just clearing out the clearing out 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.360 the capitol, and some of these gravy seal guys would 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.680 have ran into like the real deal ship that they 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.440 that they like to pretend to be, you know what 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.520 I mean, And then that would have created a ton 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.440 of martyrs, and then we'd be sitting, you know, it 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.120 would be sitting in a completely different I'd argue, even 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.160 worse dynamic with the situation than we are right now. 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.280 But it's like if if the next election comes around 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.120 and they make another play at this sort of thing 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.600 and they do it in a more organized sense. I mean, 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.439 it's like kind of like backing. It's like backing the 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.760 rest of the country into a corner to where you 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.199 either sit back and let them do it or you 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:31.239 confront them on it. Yeah, you know, Um, let's get 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.240 into some of these statistics and stuff like that from 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.879 last year and the year before it. So in the US, 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.439 the number of hate crimes targeting black people jumped nearly 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:47.320 forty and the number of hate crimes targeting Asian people 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:52.399 jumped near a rose by sev. The actual number of 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.639 reported incidents targeting Asian people last year, it's relatively small, 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.680 with two hundred and seventy four crimes compared to the 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:06.040 targeting black people, but still it's increase. Nonetheless, in there 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.720 were two thousand, seven hundred and fifty five reported incidents 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:14.159 targeting blacks and Black Africans and people living in the 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:19.600 US man Overall, in the United States, hate crimes rose 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.200 by six percent, according to the FBI. And what I 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.520 really hate Like I hate I hate violence and office 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:30.119 forms um except for like punching Nazis. However, like I 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:36.159 hate that the conversation around hate crimes devolved into like 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:44.160 interracial like competition for like who should be like who 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.960 should be protected under the law, just various things, various 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.360 things like black folks saying like oh, like in the 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.679 phase of things like the Atlanta SPA shootings, like well, 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.760 you know we didn't see all saying black lives matter less? 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.880 Why shouldn't be? Yeah, no, we should ban together first 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.600 of all. Like I don't think hate crimes laws a 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.320 particularly the best way to deal with these situations. I'm 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:12.040 always for like actual preventative measures like the radicalizing folks 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.480 through education, etcetera. But like the fact that it turned 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.440 into this pisson contest of like whose lives are in danger. 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.080 More like, bro, why don't we all band together and 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.639 get you for all of us? Like everybody please to Yeah, 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.960 I love all of y'all, A love my Asian brothers 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.199 and sisters. I love black people, you know, African immigrants, 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.199 all y'all, we're all cool man, let's all get it 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.040 and we're all we're all going through it together too, 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.560 so you know, like it would behoove us to band 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.399 together and strike the numbers and all that does. Um. 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:49.720 The agency of the FBI considers criminal incidents to be 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:55.360 hate crimes if they're motivated by bias towards race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, 0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:02.040 sexual orientation, disability, gender, and gender identity. There were seven thousand, 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:07.000 seven hundred and fifty nine criminal incidents reported and ten thousand, 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:10.280 five hundred thirty two related defenses that were considered hate 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:15.800 crimes last year by the FBI. The majority of hate 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:20.359