1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: If you want Colts talk all year long, You're in 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: the right place. Fires upfield into the end zone. It's 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: cut to Lonny w cuts down. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: He's gonna fire up fields. Poken up. Tip it intercepted 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: by the Colts. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: This is the Official Colts Podcast, giving you an updated 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: look at what's new with the Horseshoes. 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Colts have it intercepting two seconds slip. The Colts are 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: going to. 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 4: In in the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: Let's get the podcast started. 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Official Colts Podcast. My name is Jeffrey Gorman, 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: joined by Lara Overton and JJ Stancobitz, who is brought 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: to us today by our friends at Pro Football Focus. 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: What you like that? 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: What are we doing well? 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 3: I know you're a Colts guy, but I mean we're 18 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 3: gonna refer to a little PFF before the day's over. 19 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have PFF once in the rundown. I'm a DVA. 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: I lookt in the rundown. Jeffrey, make fun of JJ 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: for the letters here. 22 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: We will get We will get to that for right now. 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: Kind of a heavy hearted moment that we have had recently. 24 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 3: This is coming to you at Tuesday and the Colts 25 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: have just released a statement regarding one of their favorites, 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: and Lara, I'm going to talk with you. You know this 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: young man, You've known him since day one on here 28 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 3: you get to know his family, the impact that he 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: has on the field and off the field. The Colts 30 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: have officially released linebacker Shaq Leonard and really a tough 31 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: day because we were joking before that we started recording 32 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: on It's not joking, is Lara. This is tough because 33 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: this is a gentleman that you work with and a cover. 34 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: But at the same time, this is a buddy, this 35 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: is a family friend. 36 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: It truly is. 37 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 4: And we've had many very candid, heartfelt conversations over the 38 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: last few years with everything that Shaq has been through 39 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 4: because I covered his rookie season before I was part 40 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 4: of the organization when I was working at the local 41 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: affiliate and part of the Beat, and then coming in 42 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: since twenty nineteen, have always had a very strong connection 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: with Shaq and just learning about his story and we 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: have spent so much time. 45 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Talking about that story and sharing that story. 46 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: And I remember going into training camp when we sat 47 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: down with him for behind the Colts to hear from 48 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: him on what that entire off season had looked like 49 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: for him to try to get back to being on 50 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: the field after the multiple surgeries and setbacks and everything 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: that he's endured, both physically and then mentally and emotionally 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 4: as well. And he so openly discussed what those weeks 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 4: would look like during the off season after he left 54 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: from mini camp, and when he would fly from Lake U, 55 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 4: South Carolina to Tampa to get specialized treatment and train 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: and rehab down there over the course of the week, 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: and then fly back to spend the weekends with his 58 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 4: two daughters and his wife, Kayla. And Kayla has been, 59 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: you know, his high school sweetheart. They have been through 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: everything together. She is totally his rock, and he talked 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: about how much he leaned on her. But he also 62 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 4: told me these he was working with this special neurologist 63 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: for the issues that he was having and all of 64 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: the needles, I mean daily, it was seventy five to 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: one hundred needles daily for some of these procedures that 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 4: he was enduring simply to try to return to football 67 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 4: and play at a high level. And I remember asking him, 68 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: do you somewhat have to remove yourself from trying to 69 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 4: be what you once were and feel validation instead from 70 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 4: playing the best football that you can now and that 71 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: might look differently from. 72 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: What it did your first two seasons in the league. 73 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: And you've seen such evolution from him in that period 74 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: of time, and you've heard him be very vocal about 75 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: the struggles that he has had and just you know, 76 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: off the field and everything that he has done community wise. 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: I mean, he's, you know, the face of so many 78 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: of the kicking the Stigma promotions because of how willing. 79 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: He's been to share his story. 80 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: And I remember hearing from him last year that when 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: he was doing an appearance on Behalf of the Team, 82 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 4: there was a security guard who was working the event 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: who sought him out and said, Hey, I wanted to 84 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 4: let you know I was considering ending my life and 85 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: I heard you speak about the struggle that you had 86 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: been through, what you'd suffered through, you know, with depression 87 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: and all of that, what you've been through her family, 88 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 4: and it made me feel like that there was hope 89 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: for me. And that is one of probably hundreds of 90 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 4: stories that are out there with the impact that Shaq 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 4: has had purely off the field numbers aside tackles aside, 92 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 4: takeaways aside, and there are so many other stories that 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 4: are not public, that are not out there. 94 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: Just like that. 95 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: He poured absolutely every bit of himself into being the 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: best cult possible. So it is disappointing that it ends 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: in this fashion. But I know that this is not 98 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 4: the end of the story for. 99 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: Shock Lenard for sure. 100 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: And here's a story that you guys don't know about 101 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: that I want you guys to talk about because I 102 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: was in that content department. He was released earlier today. 103 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: A couple hours later, the statement come out. What does 104 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: Shaq Lenard do? He comes down to the content department 105 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: where your offices, your offices and my offices among everybody 106 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: else's office and says, hey, guys, I just wanted to 107 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: say goodbye. I've been released today. That is baffling to 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: me because this is a top of the line player 109 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 3: in the NFL, where ego sometimes come into play. I 110 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: don't want to talk to anybody. Screw you, screw you. No. 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: What does he do? He goes back to guys like 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: you and Lara and thank you for everything, not just us, 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: though I want it to be known too. 114 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: He came back and Kevin Connors filming this episode was 115 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: one of the first guys he went up to in there, 116 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: and it was haucked everybody by the way everybody he 117 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: has impacted positively, so many people within this organization that 118 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: he wanted to go and say a proper goodbye to. 119 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: It's a sad day, it really is. It's a sad day. 120 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: And the way that he forced turnovers and Wheneberflus was 121 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: running the defense, they were setting records on everything like that. 122 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: The question is, Larry, we'll get to you on this, 123 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: but JJ, why now, why now for this move? Why 124 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: now for this transaction of a captain? 125 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: Is it? 126 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: And I'm hoping it is because we haven't heard from 127 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: Chris Ballad or anything. We saw statements from stich and 128 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: Ersa and Ballard or not. But is this to be 129 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: to give him sort of an olive branch that says, hey, 130 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: your reps are down, here, go win a ring somewhere else? Perhaps? 131 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at his snap count. He's playing 132 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: about seventy percent of the snaps as the lowest he's played, 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, as a player. And he was coming off 134 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: the field on third down, and you know, he was 135 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: vocal about it in the locker room. He was not 136 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: happy with his role, and I think on one on 137 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: the one, you know, one side of that is he 138 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been he should have tried to do whatever 139 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: he could to get in those positions, but he also 140 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't being put in the best positions 141 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: by the defense to go make the kind of plays 142 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: out and get him on the field on third down. 143 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: It's a situation where yeah, maybe he goes and he 144 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: gets picked up by a contender. The Colts, I think 145 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: are a contender we're going to get into there, but 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: by a team that you know, maybe has a need 147 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: for in every doubt linebacker because right now you look 148 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: at Zire Franklin and EJ. Speed, and those are two 149 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: guys you can put on the field on every single 150 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: play and trust that they're going to go out and 151 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: play at a high level for sure. And I think 152 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: from a coaching staff and a team perspective, that trust 153 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: had eroded a little bit with Shaquille Leonard. And the 154 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: thing that I don't want to get lost in all 155 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: this is that the surgeries that he had that Shack 156 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: had in twenty twenty two, like Lara alluded to the 157 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: rehab from them those were serious deals. We're dealing with nerves. 158 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: You're dealing with, you know, trying to get the nerve 159 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: to regenerate in his leg, and there's nothing you can 160 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: do rehab rise wise, you can, you know, you can 161 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: do a lot of other things around it, but the 162 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: nerve kind of has to regenerate on its own. And 163 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: when you're talking about nerve stuff, it shack put in 164 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: the time he put in the work and the hours 165 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: and the time away from his family to get back 166 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: on the field. But this to me, that my gut 167 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: reaction is this is a cruel ending to Shaquille Leonard's 168 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: story in Indianapolis because it has nothing to do with 169 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: him as a person, as a player, as a teammate. 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: This is his career here in Indy got robbed by 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: by injury, and that is that sucks because he's such 172 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: a good player, signed a. 173 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: Huge contract and hopefully we're going to see that out. Lara, 174 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 3: how does this affect the locker rooms. That's a leader, 175 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: that's a guy who wears a captain on his jersey. 176 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: How does this move affect that locker room? You're going 177 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: to find out tomorrow when you're in there. But just 178 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: off the top of your head. What does this say? 179 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: What's the message to the players in that room? 180 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: Well, I think that it means that there are a 181 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 4: lot of other people who are going to have to 182 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: stand up from a leadership standpoint, because although his numbers 183 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 4: may have been and they have found ways when he 184 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: was off the field to continue not just playing at 185 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: a high level, but raising that bar. When you look 186 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: at the season that Zire Franklin is having, what EJ. 187 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: Speed has done, the emergence of even Shagun Lubi in 188 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: the opportunities that he has had within that linebacking unit, 189 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: I think now you. 190 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: Look to who's the fire up guy around there? You 191 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: know who you would. 192 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: Always see Shaq was the first to leap up and 193 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: celebrate everybody else, you know on that defense when he 194 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: would You think about those epic moments at Lucas Soil 195 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: Stadium right when they're getting ready for kickoff, and what 196 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: does fifty three do every time he does that charge 197 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 4: to the south. 198 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: End zone and yells to the fans the come on? 199 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: You know it's in every promo, Like going into that 200 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: game in Germany, you saw it like NFL Network was 201 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: playing that promo on and mhor you would see him yell, 202 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: and I think that there is a level of okay, 203 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 4: So they have to have some more of these hype 204 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 4: guys you know around there, and there are guys who 205 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: are certainly capable of doing that and who do that. 206 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: But you do get the sense that he was kind 207 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: of the most. 208 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: Electric, outspoken, vivacious one from the sideline perspective, you know, 209 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: hyping up the crowd, hyping up. 210 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: The guys on the sideline, doing all of that. 211 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 4: I do think that it's a blow to this locker 212 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 4: room to see it. 213 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: Go this way. 214 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 4: I don't think though, anyone in this locker room is 215 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 4: going to be phased by it, because they're all such 216 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 4: professionals and you they all know this is a business, 217 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: and they have certainly seen the frustration mount for Shock 218 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: and the way that he's voiced, you know, some of 219 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: the discontentment in terms of the message was Hey, let's 220 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 4: get to if this is out of we're doing this 221 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: to protect your health and we're looking long term, so 222 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: we want to get to November and we're going to 223 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: see and then November comes and not much changes, and 224 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: then Zyre's out for a game and it doesn't allow 225 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: the opportunity. 226 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: For Shock to have work. 227 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Loo so came in that game, right. 228 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: So I also think that all these guys are going 229 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: to kind of understand what led to the decision being 230 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 4: what it is, and they're all going to hope nothing 231 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: but the best that Shack gets that next opportunity in 232 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 4: due time, whenever he's ready and with whatever situation is 233 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 4: the best fit for him. But I do think that 234 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: everyone will be able to probably react tomorrow. But you 235 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: have really no time to dwell on this because you 236 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: have a seven game stretch ahead of you and it 237 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: gets no tougher than the first game out of the 238 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 4: gates against Tampa. 239 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 3: Bay, absolutely of Germany. J J. Go ahead, before we 240 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: talk about those bucks. The last thing I was going 241 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: to ask you, and then you can go on your 242 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: point is does this mean more snapcount for forty five 243 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: for AJ Speed? Yeah, for instant to get that playmaker 244 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: on the I think this gets EJ. Speed on the 245 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: field more. 246 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: What I was going to say is, I don't in 247 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: these moments, it's easy to kind of get wrapped up 248 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: in Okay, you know, he played nine games, he had 249 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: sixty five tackles. He didn't have a takeaway this year. 250 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: The maniac that everyone's going to remember in Indianapolis is 251 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: not going to be the guy we saw in the 252 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: field the last two years. It's gonna be the guy 253 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: we saw in the field the first four years of 254 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: his career. AP Defensive Rookie year, three time first Team 255 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: All Pro, three time Pro Bowler, twenty twenty two Walter 256 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: Payton Man of the Year nominee. That's the Shaquille Leonard, 257 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: the guy who had eight forced fumbles in twenty twenty one. 258 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: That was my first year here in Indy. That is 259 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: one of the most incredible seasons I've seen by a 260 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: defensive player ever. Full stop. What Shack did that year, 261 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: his knack for getting the ball out and taking the 262 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: ball away. It again, it sucks that this is the 263 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: point that we got to right and it is nothing 264 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: to do to me. This is all about the injuries 265 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: with Shaq and it's it's it's a shame. He is, 266 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately not the first a great player to have his 267 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: career I acted. I mean, you think about Bob Sanders, 268 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: someone like that. The Shaquille Leonard that everyone's going to 269 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: remember here in Indy is the you know, the knockout 270 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: King the maniac, and that's who they're going to remember, 271 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: not the guy who has has struggled to be that guy. 272 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: Because you think about Like the play that sticks out 273 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: to me this year was the screen passed to Ezekiel 274 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: Elliott in Germany where Shack his mind read it. He 275 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: had studied it, he read it immediately, he broke on 276 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: it and he missed the tackle. And I watched him 277 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: after he just pounded the turf, like just didn't normally 278 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: get that one. Yeah, and like normally that is a 279 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: play where he blows up the back, maybe he gets 280 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: the ball out something like that, and he couldn't make 281 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: the tackle and it was almost like his mind, his instincts, 282 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: they're all still there and his body just couldn't get there. 283 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: Was that first quarter. 284 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like maybe the first or second New 285 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: England series. 286 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Did you know he. 287 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: Switched cleats after that. 288 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: No. 289 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: I reported it on the radio broadcast, But I mean 290 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 4: everyone was talking about how soft that surface was and 291 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: not to like say this is why, but it was 292 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: just interesting to watch. 293 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: I saw good context. 294 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes he did. He went back to his regular cleats. 295 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 4: He had gone you know a lot of the guys 296 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 4: had switched to their heavier cleats because of how those 297 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: conditions were over there, and it was everyone was kind 298 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 4: of trying it out because it was that hybrid surface, 299 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 4: so everyone was working it through during warm ups and everything. 300 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 4: So Shack went with the heavier cleat and then right 301 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 4: after that, so frustrated and frustrated obviously at missing that play, 302 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: and I think also the doubt that that puts in 303 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: your mind, that seed a doubt whereas had I been 304 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: in different cleats, would I have made that play. 305 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: Or is that just me? 306 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 4: So then it goes back to standard cleats, the regular 307 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: blue ones, and played the rest of the game with those. 308 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: So that was something that interesting that. 309 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: I observed because I talked to him pregame for a 310 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: while quite a while, and you know, that's one of 311 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: the things that I'm going to miss is you know, 312 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: we would spend time each and every game dage, you know, 313 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 4: chopping it up beforehand and think about going to Carolina 314 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: and what that game meant to him is reflecting back 315 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: on that. 316 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, but interesting contacts because of that play. 317 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: I observed the same thing, and I was really curious 318 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 4: was looking back if he played with the other cleats earlier, 319 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 4: would he have made it or is this just an 320 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: indication of kind of. 321 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: Where he's at. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, Well, Shaq Leonard, 322 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: we love you and absolutely wish you the best and 323 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: find out wherever he ends up. And it was funny 324 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: one of the comments he had earlier as people were 325 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: huddled around, he said, I might see you all at 326 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: the stadium. If I don't hear from nobody up to 327 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: that point, I might be up there in the rafters 328 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: just watching some football. So that's the kind of guy 329 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: in the love comes. 330 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: On the radio broadcast. 331 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: You know, he can come up and do a guest 332 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: third down. 333 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: Can you imagine. 334 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: That's just the kind of guy. And I'm glad I 335 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: had you two to talk about this because you are 336 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: so intimate with that locker room and these players. So 337 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: thank you for the insight to both the especially you 338 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: Lera with all the family connections that you have to 339 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: him and JJ you breaking down his career. So life 340 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: goes on in the NFL. We must move on and 341 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: then what happens now. And by the way, last week, 342 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: if you missed a show, they had Chris Ballard sitting here. 343 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: Now this week, you guys, get me wrong. 344 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Sorry about in the chair. You know what I'm saying. 345 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: It is like I'm going for one day, you guys 346 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: bring in Ballard and then comes back Gorman's here. So anyway, 347 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: those Tampa Bay Bucks are await And the reason wh 348 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: I'm bringing that up, JJ, something that you brought up earlier, 349 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: seven to go, seven to go. This team is five 350 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: and five. If you can go five and two with 351 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: those last seven, you got double digit wins. That spells playoff. 352 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: But it starts with Tampa Bay. And I'm gonna throw 353 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: out some flat just thoughts that I have on this guy. 354 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: I like Baker Mayfield, I really do. I know he's 355 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: played for one hundred teams. I know he's the number 356 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: one overall and he lets so many people down. But 357 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: he's a gamer. You hear Tristan Wurf's you know, a 358 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: guy that's blocking for him said the passion and we 359 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: always have a chance with him in the huddle and 360 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: stuff like this. But JJ, this is a game the 361 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: Colts must win to stay in contention. And not only that, 362 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: you're doing it in your backyard at your house. It 363 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: starts with Tampa. 364 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, every game down the stretch is going to be big. 365 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: But to me, this one, this one almost tells you 366 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: are you serious about it or not? Because you're at home. 367 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: Next two games after this are on the road. You've 368 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: only won three games at home since it started the 369 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: twenty two season, got it. You gotta protect home turf 370 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: to make a playoff run. And Tampa's a team that 371 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: they're coming in at four and six. They're still in 372 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: the thick of the AFC or the NFC South playoff race. 373 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, you got to win this game. And Tampa's 374 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: a team that, on one hand of their offense, you 375 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: would look, you know, baseline, you look at them and go, well, 376 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: they got Mike Evans, they got Chris Godwin. That's probably 377 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: not a good matchup against the Colts cornerback room. By 378 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: the way, Colts Corner's been playing pretty decent lately. Yeah, 379 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: I look at it, and I say the Colts have 380 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: struggled to defend the run since Grover Stewart's been out 381 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: of the lineup. Tampa is dead last in the NFL 382 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: in rushing offense. They they they're gonna have to chuck 383 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: it to beat us, so well theoretically, but if they 384 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: can't run it, does that help us in the passing game. 385 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: So I actually don't think it's maybe as bad of 386 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: a matchup as you might think. And now Mike Evans 387 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: is a great player, He's going to get his But 388 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: think about it kind of like how you know when 389 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: Tennessee came in and the Colts basically said, we're gonna 390 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: shut down Derrick Henry. You can throw it a little 391 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: bit on us, but ultimately we're gonna you know, that's 392 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: going to kind of necap you. Maybe this game flips 393 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: it and say we're not going to let you throw 394 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: it on us. You can run it if you want. 395 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how that's going to go, 396 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: but again, I just kind of wanted to get that. 397 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's as bad of a matchup as 398 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, you might think. Just like player to player. 399 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: There we got thoughts, we get seven weeks left. We 400 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: got this team. We have Gardner Minshew in there, and 401 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 3: that is the quarterback from here on out. As far 402 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: as I can tell, I don't see somebody coming in. 403 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: I know Sam Ellinger is out there like this. But 404 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: this is a team that we have talked about on 405 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: this podcast that if Anthony Richardson starts the game and 406 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: then can't finish the game, and incomes Gardner Minshew. Things 407 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: become wide open and real slow for Gardner because the 408 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: defenses are set up for stopping a two hundred and 409 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 3: fifty five pound guy that can run or pass the football. 410 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: Gardner's not that guy. It becomes tougher for these these 411 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: pocket type of quarterbacks. And I know he can run 412 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: some rpo the next seven weeks. 413 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: You can throw it in. 414 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: What do we need out of our quarterback the next 415 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: seven weeks. Let's be honest about this, because some days great, 416 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: there's not so much. Hell, we went in New England. 417 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 3: We'll take you. 418 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 4: There are two things you need, consistency and then you need. 419 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: Just to take care of the football. 420 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 4: Right, those are the two things that you need moving 421 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 4: forward from Gardner Minshew and guys, think about when you 422 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: look at just this past weekend with everything that went 423 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: on with quarterbacks, Look at Joe Burrow and Cincinnati, Look 424 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 4: at de Shann Watson in Cleveland, two teams obviously that 425 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 4: are in a playoff hunt right now, looking to make 426 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 4: that push throughout December and into early January to secure 427 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: those spots. 428 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: And now you lose those guys. 429 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: And the Browns are signing Joe Flacco after starting a 430 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: rookie this week, and you know, I'm not sure. 431 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: I think the Bengals have their backup who they're brown. 432 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, how brilliant of a move does it 433 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: look now to have invested in Gardner Minshew when you did? 434 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 2: You know? 435 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: So? 436 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: I do think. 437 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 4: Too that that's a huge credit to Chris and to 438 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: Shane for having the foresight to be sure you short 439 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 4: up that position well before or even knowing who you 440 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: were going to draft or what this rookie season was 441 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 4: going to be for Anthony Richardson. And I think that 442 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: you know, moving forward, you're going to have to heavily 443 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: rely on this run game. You know this, and I'd 444 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 4: like to see that balance return. We obviously saw j 445 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: T carry the much heavier workload against New England. Liked 446 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: where it was maybe two and three weeks prior to 447 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: where you had, you know, more of a balance between 448 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: both Zach and JT. Because I think that for the 449 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 4: lack of having to defend a quarterback run, which obviously 450 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 4: garnerments who does have mobility, you know, not to diminish 451 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: what he's able to do with his legs, but to 452 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 4: have versatility at the running back position, when you can 453 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 4: wear down defenses in two different ways with two very 454 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 4: different type of runners, I think that is an asset 455 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 4: that you do want to continue to invest in moving forward. 456 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 4: But you know have loved what you have gotten of 457 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 4: late from Josh downs and the clutch playmaking ability that 458 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: he has shown as well. With this stretch like moving forward, 459 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: he is going to I think continue to be and 460 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: Can has earned a heavier and heavier bload within this offense. 461 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 4: And you knew going against New England he was going 462 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 4: to be limited because of the injury. You know that 463 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: he was battling through, didn't practice all week. To coach, 464 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 4: I can give you fifteen to twenty plays, came in 465 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 4: on those late downs and no pun intended and was 466 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 4: exactly what you needed. 467 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: Him to be in those situations. 468 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: So I do expect that there's going to be a 469 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 4: lot more attention paid to number one and in addition 470 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 4: to number eleven. 471 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: Well, the other thing just on Moss and Taylor, that 472 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: was something that Chris Ballard mentioned on the podcast last 473 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: week with us Learra that yeah, kind of got a 474 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: little out of whack against New England, and that'll get fixed. 475 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: Like you're going to see more Zach Moss, You're not 476 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: going to see it. Just be JT. The thing that 477 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: I go back to now when I'm kind of digesting 478 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: what Chris told us, and in light of the Shaquille 479 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: Leonard news today, is he said, Shane isn't phased by 480 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: anything that you know, Okay, you know, this is the circumstance. 481 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: You lost your starting quarterback in week five, the same 482 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: week that your star running back came back. They're on 483 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: the field for two plays together this season, all right, 484 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: You've had offensive linemen coming in and out, You've had 485 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: is you know, cornerback depth, you know, really needing needing 486 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: to be tested. Now, okay, one of your team captains 487 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: just got waived on Tuesday. And he said, through through 488 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: all that, and obviously that the shack stuff happened today, 489 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: but just through all of the ups and downs of 490 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: a season, Shane has stayed the same good and you know, okay, 491 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: all right, no woe is me, no complaining about it, 492 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: Just how can we go win a game with the 493 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: guys who are going to be on the field for us, Which. 494 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: Brings me up. You guys talked about it Chris Godwin, 495 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: Mike Evans, Kate Atton, He's guys. You know, Rashad right, 496 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: is it running back? 497 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: You can play? 498 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 3: I know the last and don't don't get me wrong though, 499 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: but big receivers. Really a guy like Juju Brents when Chris, 500 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: when Chris Ballard said, hey, I'm going to get a 501 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: long We're gonna get long cornerbacks. It's ideal to face 502 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: these long receivers with those guys. Are we going to 503 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: see Juju on some. 504 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a good question. You know, his his 505 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: practice status to me is going to be really really 506 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: important this week, you know, just because you would like 507 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: to see him match up against Mike Evans. Not not 508 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: only because it's better for the team, but I just 509 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: want to see that. I want to see what Juju 510 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: can do against a guy who, you know, for my money, 511 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: should probably be a Hall of Famer someday, for the 512 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: consistency he's had over his career as a thousand yard receiver. 513 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: I'd love to just see what he could do against him. 514 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: And I think Juju's the kind of kid who doesn't 515 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: back down from any challenge. He's going to scrap it 516 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: up against whether it's Mike Evans or you know a 517 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: guy who is maybe less established. It doesn't matter. I 518 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: hope he plays just to you know, for obviously it 519 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: helps the team out, but just want I want to 520 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: see it you like. 521 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: One thing I asked Zire Franklin in addition to a 522 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 4: number of guys I don't know, two weeks ago, was 523 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 4: if takeaways in particular interceptions are contagious when you look 524 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 4: at what Kenny Moore did against Carolina and then Julian 525 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 4: Blackman and Rodney Thomas did against New England, Like, I 526 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 4: think that those guys have played at such a high 527 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: level the last few weeks, it's so encouraging for that 528 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: group that was doubted for a significant portion of the 529 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 4: year to see the way that those guys have risen 530 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: to make Plays'. 531 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: Stat time here we go. 532 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: Let me have it. 533 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: One of two team, the Cults are one of two 534 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL to have a takeaway in every 535 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: single game this season. Is that the Chiefs. 536 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 3: Okay, I got a company right now. 537 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Chiefs is pretty good defense. 538 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: Okay, in good company there. I had a great thought 539 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: I was coming back with right now and then just 540 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 3: lost it. 541 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh, tend to get that stat in there. 542 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: Rabbits really quick. I'm going to work through that. But 543 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: when we're talking about Tampa Bay coming in defensively speaking, 544 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: you know, Levante David, I think of it, stuff like that. 545 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: They're pretty good though. This team defensively is pretty good. 546 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: And I know we're on the home turf right there. 547 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: But oh, I got it. I got it. I'm sure, 548 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: and it's for both of you. I did a little 549 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 3: reach search on Alec Pierce. He's having such a similar 550 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 3: year this year to what he is last year? Is 551 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: that pretty accurate? 552 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 553 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: And last year and last year Yeah. 554 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: Aside from that, like you know, the game winning touchdown, yah. 555 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: And last year we said, wow, this kid's great, this 556 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: kid's but in your second year you want to jump up. Well, 557 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 3: the jump up hasn't exactly happened. And I know there's 558 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: been a quarterback carousel of sorts like this do we 559 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: need and this final games above and beyond and Alec 560 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: Pearson a half basically is what I'm saying for this 561 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: team to have success, to really have that wide receiver, 562 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: you know that Gardner's going to look you. Obviously, downs 563 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: is there and depending on who's playing at the tight 564 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: end position and stuff, but Alec Pierce from here, how 565 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: important is his role from here downfield? Not only that, 566 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: but really taking the stats that he's been building on, 567 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: which has been very pedestrian and compared to last year, 568 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: but really having to amp it up. Are we at 569 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: that point with this receiver. 570 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: I think we're at the point where you just want 571 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 4: to see him consistently gain confidence because I think with 572 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: Alec is you see that the more reps there are, 573 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: the more targets that he receives. 574 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: That's where you start to see it. 575 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 4: It's hard to go quiet and not have a catch 576 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 4: in a game or two games, or be you know, 577 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: very limited in your role and then be expected. Then 578 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 4: you you know, it's a huge moment you're expecting, like 579 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 4: it's you really need to find that consistency. And I 580 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 4: thought that you saw a big spike in his confidence 581 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: last year when Matt he and Matt Ryan connected on 582 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: a number of situation and they would do it game 583 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 4: in and game out, and you would get him involved 584 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 4: really early on. I think it's difficult, especially for a 585 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 4: young receiver in a second season where okay, you're dormant 586 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: the entire first half and then finally you're getting a 587 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: look in the third quarter. So I think from a 588 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: confidence building standpoint and an uh establishment of this offense, 589 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: I do think you would like to see him be 590 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: more heavily involved in this seven games. 591 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: A little lecture work and yeah, a little lecture weaponry 592 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: is what we're saying. 593 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: And I mean the defenses you're facing for the most 594 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 4: part kind of lean toward being able to do that, 595 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 4: which we're. 596 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: Gonna get in. 597 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, so that that brings me to my next point. 598 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: Bring up, bring up those percentages. I want to stay you. 599 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Want a percentage. Okay, Tampa blitzes on forty eight point 600 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: six percent of their opposing passing plays. That's the second 601 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: highest rate in the league. So half half of the 602 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 1: passing guys like Pro Football focus, Yeah, basically half. Usually 603 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: when you blitz, you can you know, you can do 604 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of zone stuff behind it, but sometimes you're 605 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: gonna leave your your cornerbacks one on one and if 606 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: you do that, you know, hey, throw it up to Alec. 607 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: See what happens. 608 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Just somebody to get it in. 609 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: I love these stats, and we're coming with JJ Stankovitz 610 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: follow them on Twitter formally known as xnow follow them 611 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 3: on x formally known his Twitter. That's atler Overton, at 612 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: JJ Stankovitz, and of course at at golds dot com 613 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: Heavy News Today. I also got to remind you the owner, 614 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: Jim Mersey, is featured on HBO Real Sports tonight, so 615 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: people are going to be talking about that. Shack Leonard. 616 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: Is a lot going on in this Thanksgiving week. I 617 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: still have to get to some Thanksgiving each stuff that 618 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about at the end of the show. 619 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: But JJ one stat that pointed out to me on 620 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: the rundown that I love and please help us with this. Yeah, 621 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 3: thirty three percent chance left, thirty three percent chance that 622 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: this team three out of ten chances we are going 623 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: to make the playoffs from here on out, which happen 624 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: to go. I like those numbers because, as Learra said, 625 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: we're not facing the eighty five Bears defense a lot 626 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: through the next seven games. 627 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: Here's the context for those numbers. 628 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: So you don't have the Niners the Eagles, Chiefs. 629 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: Like the Bills, do basically what the Bills have coming up. 630 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: The Colts have the easiest remaining schedule in the AFC, 631 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: according to your your guys at d v O A 632 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: O R O R. Yeah, are three to eleven TLC 633 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: what music DMB What is O V A R tbd 634 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: U d v O A Uh, it's been around for 635 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: a while in advanced stat detracts efficiency. 636 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, give me digitally visualized. 637 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: I believe it's ramp. 638 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: Uh what is it? 639 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: I forget what the D stands for? But value over average. 640 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: Value over average, distinguished determined value over. 641 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, go ahead. These are good numbers. They're good, 642 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: they're solid, they've been around for a while. 643 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 3: If we can understand them, they're great. But just give 644 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: me the d v O yah. 645 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: So that that the Colts, according to to that they 646 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: the opponents that the Colts will face down the stretch 647 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: are easier than any other team in the AFC. So 648 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: and look, there are no easy games, especially when you're 649 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: in just. 650 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: Two weeks away from getting Grover Stewart back. 651 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: That is big because the Colts with Grover Stewart. I'm 652 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: going to throw another stat at you. The Colts with 653 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: Grover Stewart on the field or on their you know, 654 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: on the roster, we're thirteenth in e p A against 655 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: the rush on defense that's expected. Points at it. There 656 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: we go without Grover Stewart, they're thirty second. 657 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: A yeah, big big difference. 658 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: There, and that is no slight to any of the 659 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: guys who have stepped in for Grove, but man Grover's 660 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: that just shows you the impact that grow Stewart has. 661 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: Two more weeks with no Grover Stewart and then he's 662 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: back on. If we can get by here with a 663 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: couple of these, I don't. 664 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: Care how they Wincinnati game, right, yeah, that you wish 665 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: the since the game in the Tennessee game were flipped right. 666 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: Grove back for Tennessee. But this defense is a chance 667 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: and like I said, they're turning the ball over. And 668 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: if the Colts offense doesn't turn the ball over, they 669 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: are going to win games. 670 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: Lara, I saw. I brought out Ballock Peerce. How important 671 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: is Jonathan Taylor? How important is Zach Moss for these 672 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: last seven They say to run the football as we're 673 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: getting closer to the winter months and stuff. But my 674 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: point is this is that the key of this offense 675 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: from here on out, regardless of what look you get defensively. 676 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: It has to be because really when you look at 677 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: you know. 678 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 4: Winning the turnover battle. The running backs have done their 679 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: job in protecting the football. You know, over the course 680 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 4: of this season, starting out you know, Week two, when 681 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 4: Zach Moss came back from the broken arm. You know, 682 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: they're aside from Week one running backs, ball security, these 683 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: guys have been in every fashion. So I do think 684 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 4: when you look at, especially what your offensive line has 685 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: given you, Yeah, use those guys. 686 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: This offensive line is playing at the highest level that 687 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: it has in what two years. 688 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 4: JJ, And now you have, yeah Broth, you have a 689 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 4: healthy Jonathan Taylor for the first time in probably you know, 690 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: two years as well with everything you went through last year, 691 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 4: and now you have this great compliment to him in 692 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: what Zach Moss is able to bring you. So that's 693 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 4: going to afford you much more opportunity, much more variety 694 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 4: in and schematically what you can bring in your run game. 695 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: JJ. I want to talk some more percentages with you, 696 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: I really do. I want to talk more pro football focused. 697 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: I want to talk about that. But something's more pressing 698 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: than that. We will not have a podcast on Thursday 699 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: because of the holiday, and I want you guys to 700 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: know that day will not be on here, that it's 701 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: not happened celebrating with the family. You've got a young 702 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: family around your lera. I want to get into yours too, 703 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: but I want to stick to Thanksgiving. I know you're 704 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: a master chef when it comes to cutlery and whatnot 705 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: with that. Who will prepare the meal for the stank 706 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 3: of Itzes this year? And what will that meal consist? 707 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: So you bring back worse? 708 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: Are you just going? 709 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: Are you going chalk right across the board? It's cranberry, 710 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: it's turkey, it's stuffing. 711 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: It's my So we're going back up to Chicago where 712 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: my mom's family is for a little family Thanksgiving on Thursday. 713 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: But previously I'm a big brine guy for the turkey. 714 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: So you get you get an ice bucket, you know, 715 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: water ice, You throw some spices in. You could throw 716 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: some citrus in if you want. Maybe a little little 717 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: bourbon could go in there. 718 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: Whatever. 719 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: It might be. Drunk bird okay, yeah, you know, and 720 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: you dunk the bird in it overnight. Usually try to 721 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: get about twenty four hours when it's a little too 722 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: warm out. You got to put a lot more ice 723 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: in that bucket because you obviously don't want the bird 724 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: to spoil. Sure, but you brind the turkey and you 725 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: cook it low and slow and slow. That's the way 726 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: to go. It's it's the best. 727 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: How many times a year do you eat cranberries? 728 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: Zero? So I don't put it on my plate and 729 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: then get it. It's wasted space. 730 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: Hello are you traditional on it? Stuff? Are you? Are 731 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 3: you eating cranberry at the. 732 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: South And by the way, where has to be? 733 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: Where are the overtons this year? And what are you cooking, 734 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 3: if anything this year? 735 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 4: So this is a shout out to one of my 736 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 4: favorite places on the north side of Indy. This is 737 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 4: not a paid advertisement, but what I always take for 738 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 4: Thanksgiving is the classic Psalms coffee cake. 739 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: Oh god, I love the Psalms coffee. 740 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 4: So you can go to Psalms there for you fellow 741 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 4: north Siders, right around what's seventy first in Keystone, or. 742 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: You can join me in the village West Clay. 743 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: Yes, oh, there you go. 744 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 4: But you walk in and then you have them frozen 745 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 4: a smaller or a larger and you can just go 746 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 4: Tuesday night, Wednesday night, you can pick them up, grab 747 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 4: it and then you are set. You will be the 748 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: hit of Thanksgiving. So that's what I take I love 749 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 4: cranberry sauce, but I want like the ocean spray out 750 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 4: of the can, like with the ridges, like just yeah, 751 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 4: I love it. The home made stuff I don't like 752 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 4: as much. Like I want the jellied goo. That's what 753 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 4: I want, And then I like to combine it with 754 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 4: some of the stuffing. You kind of mix those together. 755 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: But stuffing, boy, stuffing, I got a whole thing. 756 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: Uh whoa woa. 757 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 3: Stuffing I got and you're preparing it, I know, but 758 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: don't if you eat stuffing and it's soggin the middle, 759 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: get out of here. You got to burn your stuff 760 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: a gentleman. Corners, Yes, you have to burn it. If 761 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 3: we're going to get into mac and cheese with some 762 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: people having some people, it's not going to be soupy. 763 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 3: You gotta crust those corners too, and make that top rown, 764 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 3: make that cheese bake. It's a must. I'm not going 765 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 3: anywhere near your mac and cheese unless it's been through. 766 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: It's it's ten extra minutes in the oven, is what 767 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 3: I'm saying. 768 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: That's what I need. 769 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 2: I'm a word of that. Yeah right, Yeah. 770 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 3: We jammed a lot into this show because of the holidays. 771 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 3: This weekend Shack Leonard release. Obviously the Tampa Bay Bucks 772 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 3: coming up. We got percentages galore, and it is a 773 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 3: short week like this, but a couple of very important 774 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 3: reminders follow these two. Follow this young man and this woman. 775 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 3: If you want the latest again at ax at Larra Overton, 776 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 3: at JJ Stankomitz and of course on colds dot com. 777 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 3: Don't forget Inside Football with Rick Ventur. 778 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: Don't forget at Hey Gorman, at Hey Morman too. 779 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 3: I won't give you much, but I'm just being honest 780 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: with you. 781 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: Now you honestly you send better tweets than I do. 782 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: We'll be out on Wednesday with coach Rick Venturi. That 783 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: is Insight Football, giving you the blueprints for the Colt's 784 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: way to beat the Buccaneers. In week twelve, no official 785 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 3: podcast on Thursday, Enjoy the Burden, enjoy the burnt mac 786 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: and cheese, JJ and Bill Brook's also going to bring 787 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: you the Instant Reaction on Sunday night, recapping the Colts 788 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 3: and Buccaneers. We end with this, Lara, We're getting into 789 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 3: the holiday season. Are you ready? Because the reason I 790 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 3: said that is I was driving home last night and 791 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: it was about you know, it was dark it was. 792 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 3: It was like three twenty pm, and I was outside 793 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 3: and I saw the Christmas lights in the neighborhood. We 794 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: got about six houses up. Is it too early? Thanksgiving's 795 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: not even here yet. That's my question of the day 796 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 3: is when is the right time to throw up some 797 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: Christmas lights? Uh? 798 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: They already went up in our household. 799 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: All right, I'm going with you. 800 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: No, Okay, listen, let's done with Jay. 801 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 3: Where'd you do it at Halloween? 802 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: No? You were Halloween decor away and then there's about 803 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: a week gap and then the Christmas time goes. 804 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 3: Actually, there wasn't a week gap, And I bet you're three, 805 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: you know, four days and you got up on the ladder. 806 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: I bet yeah, you know? Why bye week? That's what 807 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm heading during a lot of time. 808 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 3: Okay, what's going on with Tucker and lights at your house? 809 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: Nothing? 810 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: Nothing? 811 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 4: We are a into December. I like to respect the 812 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 4: tradition of Thanksgiving. I liked for Thanksgiving rush to have 813 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 4: its whole weekend of just Thanksgiving. To me, hot take here, 814 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 4: But I think Thanksgiving is a better holiday than Christmas. 815 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 3: Okay. 816 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: I have a couple of times. 817 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I like. 818 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 4: You can walk around and say Happy Thanksgiving all week 819 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 4: long to everybody, and you know, kind of everyone's partaking 820 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: in different things like that, so it's just kind of 821 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 4: and then there's not the obligation of the gifts and 822 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 4: the exchanging and the pressure of all that. It's just 823 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 4: about gathering and being together. 824 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: The good news is you apparently don't have to get 825 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: Tucker a gift this year. 826 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 2: After that Tucker gifted him. Yes, I think the best 827 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 2: gift of all time. So yes, it's it's true. 828 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: If you want to know what, we don't need to 829 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: throw them under the bus or the don't. 830 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 3: By the way, for those who don't know, mister Trucker, 831 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 3: you guys, I'm gonna get us out of trouble. Tucker. 832 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 3: I'm on your side. Your wife, on the other hand, 833 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 3: I don't know for a fact, but I want to 834 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 3: say a big thanks to one of our official forefathers 835 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 3: and pilgrims of this show, the gentleman behind the camera, 836 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 3: Kevin Connors today, thank you for your help. JJ. I 837 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 3: wonder look forward to what we got because this team 838 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: is sniffing a playoff berth with these seven games to go, 839 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: and they're all winnable games, not gonna say we're going 840 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: to do it, but boil boy, you get five and 841 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 3: you got double digit, you got something, Lara Olverton, I 842 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 3: want to hear about everything that went down down South Indy. 843 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: Next week we we'll talk about after a big Colts victory. 844 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 3: This is the Official Colts Podcast, brought to you by 845 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 3: our friends and win Las Vegas Guys. I appreciate the time. 846 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 3: Anything you got anything else before we go, because like 847 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 3: I said, it's a little bit different week. Thanksgiving. 848 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 2: Yes, the thing last thing that I have. 849 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: If you are in town, you're around Indianapolis on Thanksgiving, 850 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 4: come out to the Drumstick Dash. 851 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 2: It all benefits. 852 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 4: Wheeler Mission, the largest fundraiser of the year for Wheeler Mission. 853 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 4: There's a four point two mile run and a two 854 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 4: and a half mile run. 855 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: Family friendly. 856 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 4: Get everybody out there nine o'clock right there in the 857 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 4: heart of Broad Ripple. 858 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 2: You can walk, you can jog, you can bring. 859 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 4: The wagons and the strollers, but just an all around 860 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 4: great way to kick off Thanksgiving morning. 861 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: Appreciate our friends that Wheeler Mission for all that they. 862 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 3: Double jay anything on the way out. Give me something 863 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 3: statistically just so we can take it with us. Put 864 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 3: it in our back pouch for the drive to mission. 865 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah you want you want to throw throw some pennies 866 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 3: in your couch. 867 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: Give me something staffter, Nah, you know what, I don't 868 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: have that. 869 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 3: Forty eight or so of American Households. We'll have turkey 870 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 3: on the table. How about something like that forty eight? 871 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Try like ninety. I don't know. 872 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 3: We're a melting pot right now. So you might have some, 873 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 3: you know, egg rolls over here. 874 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: You might have my old podcast co host real quick 875 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: if you're if you're not a turkey fan. In Chicago, 876 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: my old podcast co host, he and his girlfriend would 877 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: just use Thanksgiving NAIs and excuse to go get like 878 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: food they want. They don't really like Thanksgiving food, so 879 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: they would go buy like really nice steak. Oh yeah, 880 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: at the point of meat market in Chicago. Go cook 881 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: that up at home. Don't don't know who they are, 882 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: but really like what you guys did back there. I 883 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: wish we could do that myself, because. 884 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 3: Really, this meal of turkey and it's like once a 885 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 3: year and it's just like you know, I mean, it's 886 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 3: a nice tradition and everything. Don't get me wrong, but 887 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 3: it's like I'm not going out of my way in 888 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 3: October or in like July to say where's some cranberry 889 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 3: and turkeys and stuffing. 890 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm not looking for stuffing in May. 891 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: I know I sound like I do. I sound like 892 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 3: a dry fart. Sorry about that, But enjoy the Thanksgiving thing. 893 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 3: Enjoy the feast and everything. Sorry, we're gonna let you 894 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 3: out on that. And remember the thing to take away 895 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 3: is thank you, Shack Leonard for everything you brought here 896 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 3: to this club. You did a hell of a job 897 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 3: for the time, and we hope you do it somewhere 898 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 3: else and can win a ring and keep on going 899 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: with bigger and greater things. And more importantly, the fans. 900 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 3: He was talking to you guys about the fans. So 901 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 3: we are all on. Behalf of AJ, behalf of AJ 902 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 3: and JJ and hello. We used to have a guy 903 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 3: here named AJ, but I'm back for JJ and hello. 904 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 3: That's Learra Overton. I want to thank you fans for 905 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 3: watching us, putting up with us, watching Colts dot com, 906 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 3: following us on Twitter, and everything in between. Because it 907 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 3: is an exciting football year. Seven seven weeks left, Colts 908 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 3: get five of those seven wins, playoff team, we're going 909 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 3: to talk about it more Happy Thanksgiving 910 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 4: MHM.