Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Because you guys love the new format so much. Sometimes
Speaker 2: we get thrown a guest, and you know, we love
Speaker 2: we love the format. We love getting all the comments
Speaker 2: that you guys love it so much. So when we
Speaker 2: get an awesome a list guest, we're going to give
Speaker 2: you a little bonus episode. So that is what this is. Girls,
Speaker 2: are you so excited? I'm actually over.
Speaker 3: That, I say, Kristin's super excited. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: So We've got Eliza Schlessinger on. She is a stand
Speaker 2: up comedian and she has a new special out called
Speaker 2: a Different Animal on Amazon Prime. And I'm really excited
Speaker 2: to talk to her because I have I have a
Speaker 2: few things I kind of want to bring up about
Speaker 2: female comedians.
Speaker 4: Probably similar to the things I'd like to bring up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And because if I'm honest, I love I love
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I love watching the male
Speaker 2: comedians more.
Speaker 3: I'm honest, I don't watch stand up comedy at all.
Speaker 4: Oh really, why you don't? Thing? It's funny. I took
Speaker 4: you to Sebastian.
Speaker 1: I did, and I loved to Sebastian. But I'm not
Speaker 1: going to watch anything on TV.
Speaker 3: Sounded so appropriate. That was great, that was fun. I
Speaker 3: will go if someone says let's go. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 3: I don't want it at all.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know me.
Speaker 3: I don't like comedies. I like drama like.
Speaker 2: I love watching comedy shows specials. I love it. I struggle.
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of them are funny.
Speaker 3: You knows, that's more a man thing. Like women. I
Speaker 3: feel like, don't watch as much stand up comedy.
Speaker 4: We should ask ask an expert.
Speaker 2: I just watched this one, you guys, he's so funny.
Speaker 2: It's this Scottish comedian. Alan's obsessed with him. I had
Speaker 2: to put subtitles on understand. It was like intense. I
Speaker 2: tried to DM him just because he's like a really
Speaker 2: I mean, Alan loved him so much.
Speaker 4: Would we think he's funny? Well, that's the thing. I
Speaker 4: want to Scottish comedian. I mean, we're we made.
Speaker 2: A tast in Scotland and we got to tell you then. Kevin,
Speaker 2: his name is Kevin Bridges. Hold on a second, so
Speaker 2: I'm going to pull up one of his little skits.
Speaker 2: So but I did DM him. I was like, my
Speaker 2: husband loves you, because I wanted to see like when
Speaker 2: he was playing let's see if you're saying mate, Oh no,
Speaker 2: he didn't respond.
Speaker 3: Hey, Ken, if you're listening, did you read it? Oh
Speaker 3: that would be funny.
Speaker 5: Oh they don't.
Speaker 2: It says a cow came receive your message because they
Speaker 2: don't allow new message requests from everyone.
Speaker 6: The thing is is like when you go to see
Speaker 6: a comedian, the pressure like, yeah, it's fun to make
Speaker 6: people unexpectedly laugh when they're there, and they're like, be funny.
Speaker 6: That just makes my throat close.
Speaker 5: Let's get her on here, I am. Let's get started, ladies.
Speaker 5: Who do we hate?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: My god, yeah, I love you? Kind you dislike?
Speaker 2: Is who?
Speaker 4: What I want to know?
Speaker 5: Do I dislike? Yeah? No one I'm going to say
Speaker 5: publicly on a podcast love that. Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, for sure.
Speaker 5: Same. I've learned my lesson. Who did you say? Don't
Speaker 5: even want to remat We can't go.
Speaker 2: No, my my attorneys right here will not allow me
Speaker 2: to see further.
Speaker 5: We have the receipts somewhere.
Speaker 4: No, we don't know. We've scrubbed it.
Speaker 5: Scrubbed it from the internet. It never happened, effects.
Speaker 2: Scrub scrubbed because I actually don't I've said this actually
Speaker 2: I don't hate. I dislike, but I don't hate anyone,
Speaker 2: because my mom always said that as a kid, She's like,
Speaker 2: you don't hate, you dislike.
Speaker 7: I don't know why moms always say that. I'm pretty
Speaker 7: casual about who I hate and I throw it around.
Speaker 2: But do you really mean that, like you really like
Speaker 2: there's like true, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I guess what is hate, right, right, Like actually hating
Speaker 7: someone and then they're like you hate them, probably because
Speaker 7: you like secretly love them, But like, I really really
Speaker 7: really detest Kanye West, but I don't hate him because
Speaker 7: I think there's something wrong with him, so I almost
Speaker 7: feel bad for him.
Speaker 5: Right that one. I don't care. I'm never gonna like
Speaker 5: need a record deal.
Speaker 7: Like it's okay to write some people, it's okay to
Speaker 7: openly hate, Like once you're an open Nazi, it's.
Speaker 2: Like okay, yeah yeah, fair, yeah fair, Yeah, so easy,
Speaker 2: we all move on, right Yeah No, no, no, that is
Speaker 2: I just think it's so hard because when you don't
Speaker 2: actually and that's why I've taken been more careful with words,
Speaker 2: be cause it's like I don't I don't know these
Speaker 2: people that I sometimes have opinions on, so It's like,
Speaker 2: how can I actually say I don't like X, Y
Speaker 2: and Z from what I see when I don't actually know.
Speaker 2: And I don't like it when people do that to
Speaker 2: me because they don't know the inside, right. So it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair then to say, like everyone
Speaker 2: hates on Megan Markle. I was watching her show because
Speaker 2: I just would love to see what that You know,
Speaker 2: what the show is and all about it, but you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, and like with the ins and outs
Speaker 2: of all of it, is so like, how can I
Speaker 2: hate someone that I don't even know?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: So not hate, but I do think, you know, And
Speaker 7: I can't say as a public person, like we put
Speaker 7: stuff out there and the lesson that I've had to
Speaker 7: learn if.
Speaker 5: We're really getting cosmically granular.
Speaker 7: About it, like you genuinely can't control people's reaction, and
Speaker 7: it usually has to do with the fact that as
Speaker 7: a woman like you dared to try that really upsets people, and.
Speaker 5: So it does.
Speaker 7: I was actually thinking about this this morning, being preemptively judged,
Speaker 7: Like I hate the idea that I would make a
Speaker 7: joke that's a good joke, but a fan would like
Speaker 7: just read something about it or a person, and then
Speaker 7: they'd be like, well, she obviously hates coyotes.
Speaker 5: And you're like, no, I don't.
Speaker 7: It was a joke about how we shouldn't be killing them,
Speaker 7: but you only read the hot take of someone else,
Speaker 7: which is normally how we judge things.
Speaker 5: So I don't think it's ever hate.
Speaker 7: But I do think people when we put ourselves out there,
Speaker 7: you are putting yourself out there so people can digest
Speaker 7: it however they want, and that's something that we have
Speaker 7: to get over as public figures.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like it's got to be hard to though,
Speaker 2: because one of the reasons why I love com I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm I love comedy. I love comedians. I think you
Speaker 2: guys are hilarious, and I feel like you guys get
Speaker 2: a pass to say things that we want to say
Speaker 2: but we can't say. But I feel like as the
Speaker 2: years go on, I've seen comedians kind of tighten up
Speaker 2: a little bit because they're afraid of certain backlash, and
Speaker 2: it's like, I hate that because I'm like, that's why
Speaker 2: I love watching comedians, because they say things.
Speaker 3: That are.
Speaker 2: Politically incorrect or whatever it is, and it's okay because
Speaker 2: you almost get like like I said, like a free pass,
Speaker 2: but now I feel like it's kind of changing a bit.
Speaker 7: I think it depends on the comedian, because I don't
Speaker 7: think you'll find that with a lot of well known
Speaker 7: white male comedians. I think they're like, I'm just going
Speaker 7: to keep doing it, and we do give them a
Speaker 7: pass in general because it's like, oh, he's like your
Speaker 7: grumpy uncle. I do think at a lower level of comedy,
Speaker 7: people are aware of that because you're so let's say
Speaker 7: you're like a D level comic or you're just starting
Speaker 7: out right, you are still down there with the masses.
Speaker 7: You are not up in your mansion getting a billion
Speaker 7: dollars for a special, So you are beholden to the
Speaker 7: slings and arrows of public judgment because you are with
Speaker 7: those people. And then that's why celebrities get called out
Speaker 7: of tough much. And it's not it's because you can't
Speaker 7: be in touch. You can't be one of the people
Speaker 7: when you have risen to like, let's say, a Dave
Speaker 7: Chappelle level.
Speaker 5: I also think.
Speaker 7: There is an art to saying the right thing and
Speaker 7: so being misunderstood. Sometimes it is because you did not
Speaker 7: accurately explain your joke. You didn't posit a thesis, You
Speaker 7: didn't really explain yourself. You just said something for the
Speaker 7: sake of the shock of it, which is also fine.
Speaker 7: And the question is like are you going to be
Speaker 7: okay with it? Are you going to be okay? Like
Speaker 7: do you want to go to the mat on that
Speaker 7: trans joke? Was it a good trans joke? Was it
Speaker 7: a good Jewish joke? You know? But I do think
Speaker 7: in general, our conscience has been raised in terms of
Speaker 7: why we say the jokes that we say, and like
Speaker 7: is it actually hurting someone when you, you know, call
Speaker 7: women whoes? Which I've done, you know, And as I
Speaker 7: get older, I'm like, maybe don't Maybe we can say
Speaker 7: something smarter, you know. So I think I don't mind
Speaker 7: the reckoning of like figuring out like where is your
Speaker 7: joke coming from? But I do think like true big
Speaker 7: comics like and I would clude myself in that, like
Speaker 7: we're still saying the things that we want to say.
Speaker 7: And the question is always like what's your intention beyond
Speaker 7: making a joke?
Speaker 5: Like what do you really want to say here?
Speaker 7: And how can you say it so that you can
Speaker 7: get the most amount of people on your side without
Speaker 7: hurting anyone?
Speaker 5: Deliberately.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I think about this stuff a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense. So I hate coyotes.
Speaker 6: I'd like to just say that, since we're on the topic,
Speaker 6: I want to tack to my dog and I actually
Speaker 6: hate them. So I'm gonna go ahead and say it
Speaker 6: for you if.
Speaker 5: You can cancel me. But you can cancel me for
Speaker 5: the example. No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't, but I someone then cancel me, and
Speaker 6: that's fine. When you were growing up, like what was
Speaker 6: like A life of a comedian is just so fun
Speaker 6: to me, But I sometimes feel like the comedy doesn't
Speaker 6: always come from like the most like go get in place,
Speaker 6: Like a lot of times funny people are funny because
Speaker 6: of trauma my personal experience, and I'm just like, growing up,
Speaker 6: what was it like, when did you know you wanted
Speaker 6: to be a comedian? Did you just decide Like a
Speaker 6: couple of days ago you're like, yeah, I'll go all
Speaker 6: in on this because it seems you're working out or.
Speaker 7: I'm still deciding. Yeah, Like the jury is still out.
Speaker 7: I think there's I can't remember who said this. I
Speaker 7: want to say it's Larry David, but I could be wrong,
Speaker 7: and i'd have to call out to my husband.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 7: There was some comic that once said, like, comedy is
Speaker 7: either and I'm gonna paraphrase this and butcher it like
Speaker 7: like suburban or urban, like suburban or street like. It's
Speaker 7: either coming from like something painful that happened at a disadvantage,
Speaker 7: or you are commenting on the mendanity of like everyday life,
Speaker 7: right like, And it's usually those two buckets.
Speaker 5: And I always think comedy I agree with that.
Speaker 7: And I think when you make a joke, it's either
Speaker 7: I'm saying something that's so relatable whether or not you
Speaker 7: had the wherewithal to say it, and you're like, I
Speaker 7: can't believe she said that, or you're saying something so
Speaker 7: unrelatable that it's hilarious. I find that it's usually those
Speaker 7: two buckets. I tend to go with the more relatable topic.
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
Speaker 7: I think when you're growing up, everybody has something that
Speaker 7: they trade on. It could be your looks, it could
Speaker 7: be your athleticism. Maybe you're the kid who like actually
Speaker 7: works at the group project. I was always a kid
Speaker 7: that's like, let's do a skit. And I was always like,
Speaker 7: if there's like oral report or write it down. I'm like,
Speaker 7: let's like let's have some razzle devil, but then you
Speaker 7: can phone it in, like you let your friend who's
Speaker 7: gonna go to like medical school, like do the actual work.
Speaker 7: And I'm just gonna like make it fun for everyone.
Speaker 7: And I think being able to make kids laugh, especially
Speaker 7: at an age like young girls weren't always like encouraged
Speaker 7: to be funny, and I was. And that's how I
Speaker 7: got girls to like me. It's how I got boys
Speaker 7: to be my friends. And so the goal was always
Speaker 7: making people laugh, and that just becomes your thing and
Speaker 7: it just kind of stayed my thing. And then and
Speaker 7: then here I am with an Amazon special at forty two.
Speaker 5: I mean that's amazing. Yeah right, you really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean give yourself a little bit more like credit,
Speaker 2: Like that's we did skip a lot.
Speaker 5: We did skip a lot. I am just trying to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, wow, I got there.
Speaker 5: I've had two kids.
Speaker 7: A lot of it's blurry, but getting people to laugh
Speaker 7: is always the way I make myself comfortable. It's also
Speaker 7: the way that you kind of relate to people in
Speaker 7: a room you walk in, you know, you kind of
Speaker 7: throw out things to see, like who's on the same
Speaker 7: level as me? Who can I get on my side?
Speaker 7: Who can I make more comfortable?
Speaker 6: Was that ever a survival technique turned comedy or was
Speaker 6: that kind of like a.
Speaker 4: I mean, problems is an innate thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, everybody has parents who were divorced, and like
Speaker 7: that seemed fine at the time, But if you can't
Speaker 7: really examine your life until you're like over thirty five,
Speaker 7: Like I've been doing interviews in podcasts forever.
Speaker 5: Like what's your inspiration? What's your cosmic pull?
Speaker 7: And I'm like, I don't know, vodka, SODA's And then
Speaker 7: you start to get older and you're like, oh, that's why.
Speaker 7: That's why I always thought, you know, And so it
Speaker 7: is this complex thing. And to even begin to understand
Speaker 7: comedic inspiration, I think you have to like review a
Speaker 7: full career. So it's a deeply complex and boring answer.
Speaker 7: But making people laugh makes me feel good. Yeah, So
Speaker 7: any comic that tells you like, I just want to
Speaker 7: make people laugh and the rest of that sentences because
Speaker 7: I'm selfish and I deeply need it to feel good
Speaker 7: about myself.
Speaker 2: Well, no, but it does feel good, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I remember being up on stage and
Speaker 2: saying a joke. It's nice to hear people laugh when
Speaker 2: you know, when we're on tour or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, like I'm not funny at all, really true.
Speaker 5: But it's not said one thing exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I'm not funny, But if people
Speaker 3: actually laughed at me, I'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, oh wow, like that was actually funny. Very validating,
Speaker 1: Like it is very validating.
Speaker 5: Well, it's also powerful in that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's all at once validating, affirming, reaffirming on
Speaker 7: the days you feel bad and it's sexual and I
Speaker 7: often think about, you know, all the years that I
Speaker 7: like slogged it out in the clubs.
Speaker 5: This is at a time where like you still had to.
Speaker 7: Hear women aren't funny, but you are, and you're like cool,
Speaker 7: you sound you sound super evolved. But I would get
Speaker 7: men would come up to me after the show and
Speaker 7: their girlfriend was laughing because I could see them because
Speaker 7: it was like a small club, and the guy, I
Speaker 7: remember this happened more than once.
Speaker 5: The guy would shake my hand really hard, and I
Speaker 5: was always like, what is.
Speaker 7: That, Like, I'm not talking about how strong I am.
Speaker 7: It's a dominance thing. So there is this thing because
Speaker 7: women find a sense of humor, like it's up there
Speaker 7: with in terms of sexuality, Like that's very like we
Speaker 7: will ugly dudes with weird teeth because you're like, he.
Speaker 5: Needs me laugh.
Speaker 7: And you never see it the other way. I've never
Speaker 7: had a smoking hot guy. You look, she's funny, and
Speaker 7: now I'm wrong hard like they don't. You occasionally get
Speaker 7: like the one weird one and you're like, what's wrong
Speaker 7: with why are you so hot? And think that I
Speaker 7: am because I'm making you laugh. Funny is sexy in
Speaker 7: a man and a woman. It's kind of like touch
Speaker 7: or go. It's not something because men are not as
Speaker 7: cerebral as women. All this is to say I would
Speaker 7: spend the hour making his girlfriend laugh in a way
Speaker 7: that he never could making the woman with him laugh,
Speaker 7: which we likento something like a sexual experience, right, And
Speaker 7: I think that there's something threatening not all men, not
Speaker 7: all the time, but I this is the only way
Speaker 7: I could diagnose it. I spend an hour like sacking
Speaker 7: your girlfriend basically like she's super turned on and she's
Speaker 7: having this great time in a way that you couldn't.
Speaker 7: So to assert physical dominance. They would shake my hand
Speaker 7: really hard and it always hurt and it never felt great.
Speaker 7: But there is like a sexual component, like if you
Speaker 7: can get people to laugh, they feel comfortable and safe,
Speaker 7: and so that's that metaphysical aspect to it.
Speaker 2: Do you think there is less spots for women in
Speaker 2: comedy or more less spots? Yeah, like where it's the
Speaker 2: competitiveness of it and having because I mean, I see
Speaker 2: more male specials than you know. I obviously watch Nikki's,
Speaker 2: I'll watch yours obviously, but like.
Speaker 5: Which one of them?
Speaker 2: Don't we watch all some of the new one that's
Speaker 2: coming out, Thank you, absolutely them.
Speaker 7: You know what, people are gonna get upset about this,
Speaker 7: but I think real feminists know, Look, this is a
Speaker 7: numbers game. There are more men doing stand up, so
Speaker 7: numbers wise, there will be more men who have specials
Speaker 7: because of volume, so what you and so there's that.
Speaker 7: I think it's never been a better time to be
Speaker 7: something other than a man in comedy because people are
Speaker 7: more open to it. Part of that is all the
Speaker 7: work done by the women who came before me, and
Speaker 7: part of that is the work done by me and
Speaker 7: other women of my sort of class of comedy who
Speaker 7: you know, came in there and show that you can
Speaker 7: be attractive and funny and have multiple and like have
Speaker 7: the things that men have. I mean some of some
Speaker 7: of the biggest comics are women, you know. And so
Speaker 7: it's not I'm not it's not an indictment on your question,
Speaker 7: but I do think women ask that because it's frustrating
Speaker 7: when you don't get the things that you want.
Speaker 5: But here's the god's honest truth.
Speaker 7: No one who's actually funny, like good funny, not just
Speaker 7: like little funny and doing the work isn't getting ahead.
Speaker 5: No one. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 7: And I promise you because I'm out there male and female, Like,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of mediocre comedy out there, but if
Speaker 7: you can combine even being mediocre with working hard, you'll
Speaker 7: get somewhere. So I think people are disheartened because it
Speaker 7: is so frustrating. But the excuse and I hear this,
Speaker 7: you didn't say this, but like, oh, it's because I'm
Speaker 7: a girl.
Speaker 5: I didn't get these spots because I'm a girl. I'm
Speaker 5: not on that lineup.
Speaker 7: It's like, no, no, because that takes away from what
Speaker 7: I've earned as a woman. That's saying that I'm just
Speaker 7: up there because I'm a woman, which is incorrect. And
Speaker 7: so I do think people don't realize, at least for
Speaker 7: stand up, which I realize is a very small percentage
Speaker 7: of people listening to this who actually care about the
Speaker 7: stand up it is. There is work, like it is
Speaker 7: a craft. It warrants ten thousand hours plus. It's not
Speaker 7: just writing down a couple jokes and then going up
Speaker 7: and then being like I didn't get on this lineup
Speaker 7: because I'm not one of the guys. It's like, well,
Speaker 7: then go make your own show. There's no rules in
Speaker 7: show business. You know, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I always say, can the best person get the job?
Speaker 2: But I also understand wanting to include everybody, But I
Speaker 2: just I still just go back to the you know who.
Speaker 2: Why can't it just be the best person.
Speaker 7: It can't be the best person because the best people
Speaker 7: aren't always deciding. But I do think laughing, like laughter
Speaker 7: is a meritocracy. Like nobody laughs continuously at a joke
Speaker 7: because it's because you're a woman and you're like, oh,
Speaker 7: she's trying, Like we might give you the laugh a
Speaker 7: couple times because we're nervous or whatever. But nobody's gonna
Speaker 7: watch your full hour and buy tickets to see you
Speaker 7: out of like the kindness of their heart because token ism, right,
Speaker 7: And so the best person also can't always get the job,
Speaker 7: you know, for whatever reason, whoever's doing the including or
Speaker 7: whatever the audience is. But there's the good news is
Speaker 7: there's enough jobs out there mm hm at least, so.
Speaker 2: Then that probably takes away from any cattiness then and there,
Speaker 2: or do you think that's still there because it's like
Speaker 2: you're still wanting to be known as the best female
Speaker 2: comedian or I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean we were talking about people we hate earlier, Like,
Speaker 7: I don't have any issue with any woman in comedy,
Speaker 7: and I know most of them, and there's usually at
Speaker 7: least now, especially if you'll put it this way, if
Speaker 7: you work like if you work, like if you tour,
Speaker 7: and you know, like the grit and determination that this takes.
Speaker 7: When you meet another woman who's actually doing it, it's
Speaker 7: always it's usually a pretty lovely thing. Like I met
Speaker 7: Leanne Morgan, I met Heather McMahon all within the last
Speaker 7: few years, and I didn't know these women for when
Speaker 7: I was coming up, and they're it was just like
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I've seen you. Oh you know exactly
Speaker 7: how this feels. And there's actually very few women that
Speaker 7: really know that.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 7: There's also like, at least for me, like the idea
Speaker 7: of being the best female comic to me is the
Speaker 7: trash one, Like I want to be the best comic.
Speaker 7: So when people say you're my favorite female comic, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 7: is what I'm saying inherently so female that you need
Speaker 7: like a translator, Like you're telling me, like last last
Speaker 7: Friday at the improv, when I destroyed on a lineup
Speaker 7: all men, like I was still just mediocre enough to
Speaker 7: be on par with the least with one of the
Speaker 7: worst men. Because women are always like under that. I like,
Speaker 7: I don't when I think of like Ali Wong, I
Speaker 7: don't think she's like the best female comic. I think
Speaker 7: she's a great comic.
Speaker 5: You know, I hear you.
Speaker 4: I do hear that point.
Speaker 2: But also like I do have a favorite male actor,
Speaker 2: a favorite male like fem actress, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think it's for me personally, I hear. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I totally get that, but I'm also like, I think
Speaker 2: it's they're different because we are men and women I
Speaker 2: do believe are so wildly different that I'm like I
Speaker 2: they play different roles, so I like them differently for
Speaker 2: different reasons.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Acting I think is different.
Speaker 7: But also we also have like Best Female Actor, Best
Speaker 7: Male Actor, like Wake Me Up. When the Emmys are
Speaker 7: like Best Comedy Special, Best Female Comedy Special, Best Male
Speaker 7: Comedy Special, like I do think you can equally enjoy.
Speaker 5: An hour of stand up from a woman or a man.
Speaker 7: Now, I don't know if it was always that way,
Speaker 7: and I do think we do speak to different audiences.
Speaker 7: But for that matter, let's make it the best gay special.
Speaker 7: Let's make it the best Black special, the best you know,
Speaker 7: there are also great divides in ethnicity and uh where
Speaker 7: you are on the sexuality spectrum, and so I think
Speaker 7: if you really want to come to play, you're going
Speaker 7: to have to just play with everyone.
Speaker 6: When you do jokes that incorporate like your family or anybody,
Speaker 6: do you tell them ahead of time or is anybody prepared?
Speaker 6: Are you running things? Has it caused a riff in
Speaker 6: the family? Is there anything that you've been like, I
Speaker 6: shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 5: No, I'm pretty thoughtful about it.
Speaker 7: I do believe when you're working out sets around town,
Speaker 7: I believe that that's a sacred space and you should
Speaker 7: be able to say whatever you want, half baked, thought out, whatever,
Speaker 7: because we as artists deserve a place, a safe space
Speaker 7: to develop our thoughts in full. I don't really talk
Speaker 7: about my family. I've made fun of my mom a
Speaker 7: little bit, and she's like, I didn't really say that.
Speaker 7: I'm like, you did, You just don't remember, like when
Speaker 7: you refer to John Krasinski as a Polish actor and
Speaker 7: that did go in my special and so she's yeah,
Speaker 7: and so no, there's no real heads up. And I'd
Speaker 7: like to think that my husband and I know each
Speaker 7: other well enough that I would never say anything that
Speaker 7: paints him in a bad light, because when you are
Speaker 7: a comic and you talk about your family, it's the
Speaker 7: reason I so far don't talk about my daughter people.
Speaker 7: That is when we were talking about this earlier, about
Speaker 7: like what people perceive about you, Like that's all they'll know.
Speaker 7: So if I say my daughter was being a nightmare
Speaker 7: the other day and I have a joke about it,
Speaker 7: all you know is that my daughter's a nightmare.
Speaker 5: And so it is.
Speaker 7: You have to have this an intention about what you
Speaker 7: put out there for yourself as well.
Speaker 6: I think we see that too, probably, Yeah, sure, who's
Speaker 6: your favorite? Like when you're out touring, Like, is there
Speaker 6: a favorite? Like we've done a little wine down out
Speaker 6: and about tour, and you know, there's certain audiences that
Speaker 6: are just more fun than others.
Speaker 4: Is there a shout out to us?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: A city?
Speaker 6: Yeah, or I guess whatever, whoever whoever just popped in
Speaker 6: your brain when you made that.
Speaker 4: Look, that's who I want to know about.
Speaker 7: Oh, I have to do it by city, I mean,
Speaker 7: because this is I can't really see their faces, so
Speaker 7: I can't be like women with red hair. They always
Speaker 7: show up and show out and they're always drunk. It's
Speaker 7: always they do though, No, I'm just kidding, they do,
Speaker 7: they do. I shot this Amazon special in Salt Lake
Speaker 7: City because I played there.
Speaker 5: On the last tour and I was blown away.
Speaker 7: Salt Lake City is a city of not everyone's Mormon,
Speaker 7: and I happen to really like Mormons, Like they just
Speaker 7: are always so lovely and like happy because they all
Speaker 7: have the good news.
Speaker 5: But it's just a city of people.
Speaker 7: Who don't drink, who are jacked up on sugar with
Speaker 7: heavy creamer in it. Like this is before the real
Speaker 7: house of Salt Lake City came around. Like I remember
Speaker 7: playing Salt Lake City and on a Friday night, I
Speaker 7: was like going to the venue and it's just like
Speaker 7: Ford f two fifties wrapped around the block and just
Speaker 7: jack dudes named Gunner getting eight leaders of like cherry
Speaker 7: soda with coconut coffee creamer, just like ready to laugh
Speaker 7: for christ and the weekend. And they were just on fire.
Speaker 7: And so I say, Salt Lake City, Washington, d C.
Speaker 7: Is secretly an incredible comedy town because they work really
Speaker 7: hard and they're smart and they just like need to
Speaker 7: blow off steam and do blow.
Speaker 5: And of course you have like Seattle and.
Speaker 7: You have all those like big blue cities, but Charlotte, Raleigh.
Speaker 5: Durham, they come to play. I kind of just don't
Speaker 5: tour places that don't I don't feel great about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that makes sense.
Speaker 6: I mean he wants to sign up to go be
Speaker 6: away from your family, to have people stare at you.
Speaker 4: You're off on a new tour soon, right.
Speaker 5: I'm glad this tour starts.
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of little random shows, but this
Speaker 7: Officials tour will start in the fall. It starts in Estonia,
Speaker 7: as all great comedy tours do. People all the truth
Speaker 7: is though people everywhere, everybody is the same, and people
Speaker 7: all over the world want to laugh and people all
Speaker 7: we all deal with the same problems and relationships and
Speaker 7: personallynxieties and stuff like that, and people come out stand up.
Speaker 5: Comedy is bigger than it's ever been.
Speaker 7: And that's why I get to go to places like
Speaker 7: Romania and find these people.
Speaker 2: Oh can you find my appendix there? Because I had
Speaker 2: my roommate, I had my appendings taken out in Romania.
Speaker 5: That was you.
Speaker 4: You saw that appending team through a meet and great,
Speaker 4: why were you there?
Speaker 2: I was filming a movie and I got really sick
Speaker 2: and they were like, it needs you have to take
Speaker 2: out your appendix. But it was really my gallbladder the
Speaker 2: entire time, so they essentially took It's a really long story,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so if you could, you know, give me
Speaker 2: back my appendix when you go to Romania.
Speaker 5: That'd be great. Were you terrified? Were you like? This
Speaker 5: is yes?
Speaker 2: And that was back in two thousand and three, I
Speaker 2: want to say, or four, two or three or four.
Speaker 2: I was there, so I mean, it's like it.
Speaker 5: Was brand new to Romania. Like they just pretty like.
Speaker 2: They had like needles on the ground. They were like
Speaker 2: windows were cracked. I mean, I still have nightmares. And
Speaker 2: there's like a certain smell that sometimes all smell like
Speaker 2: it's like it brings me back to that. I mean
Speaker 2: it's no one spoke English. There's people were smoking cigarettes
Speaker 2: in the room. I mean it was like luckily I
Speaker 2: had my own room, but it was one of these
Speaker 2: scariest things ever.
Speaker 5: Oh my, what did they give you to eat to recover?
Speaker 2: I don't even remember. I got a cottonneumonia. They were
Speaker 2: about to give me a blood transfusion.
Speaker 5: So I had to get what was the movie? This
Speaker 5: had to be worth it? Well, this is what's funny.
Speaker 2: So I got written off because it was a Return
Speaker 2: of the Living Dead part four and five. I mean
Speaker 2: it literally was like filming my own like horror movie
Speaker 2: in Romania.
Speaker 4: Off scenes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so anyway, it's not about me, but back
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 5: I just shipping back. They sold. They knew what they
Speaker 5: were taking out was wrong.
Speaker 7: They sold that appendix like somewhere no one gets an
Speaker 7: appendix put back in, but like someone ate it.
Speaker 2: Oh the brains of the zombies from the plot of
Speaker 2: squid Game is like illegal organ that's so true that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a messive squid game.
Speaker 5: Yes I did.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's terrible.
Speaker 5: Did you flip the out when you woke up?
Speaker 7: Or maybe they didn't even put you on an maybe
Speaker 7: they just gave you a goat to bite down on,
Speaker 7: Like you wake up?
Speaker 5: I really do you really?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I just remember waking up and then
Speaker 2: staying in there a lot longer than I was supposed to.
Speaker 5: You are being so cavalier about this.
Speaker 7: Obviously this is like a while ago now, but I
Speaker 7: would never stop telling this story.
Speaker 5: You can take it.
Speaker 4: You can.
Speaker 5: You can use that. There you go.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 5: You can take my story and make it there you go.
Speaker 7: It would be like Forrest comedian actress lost my appendix
Speaker 7: in weird Romanian backdoor surgery.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Paris has my heart Romania as like
Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: Wow, Yeah, I am, I mean, I am like just
Speaker 7: thinking about how uncomfortable I was in my recovery room
Speaker 7: after having my son. Like if they were like, also,
Speaker 7: we took one of your organs, whoops, a daisy, I
Speaker 7: would be And you're in a foreign country. Oh my God,
Speaker 7: I would be that ugly American tour. I would have
Speaker 7: flipped the out like I would just be running with
Speaker 7: my ivy bag.
Speaker 5: I'm sure they didn't give you on. I'm sure it
Speaker 5: was just like a bag of goat milk. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they I didn't even know what they I was black.
Speaker 2: And anyways, back to you, So you've got you've got
Speaker 2: a baby. I think we need to know what do
Speaker 2: you struggle most within parenting because we talk about parenting
Speaker 2: a lot on the show, and we have, you know,
Speaker 2: kids of all ages on this couch. But for you,
Speaker 2: where do you have that like mom breakdown, cry moment.
Speaker 5: Oh it is every day. No, it's.
Speaker 7: I tend to get very misty eyed when I'm away
Speaker 7: from I only ever talk about my daughter. I do
Speaker 7: have a son, but because it's a little girl and
Speaker 7: she was my first, I can hear. And this is
Speaker 7: tough because traveling, you know, you got to be gone
Speaker 7: for a while. Some times, around day three I start
Speaker 7: to get very sad, like she doesn't know the amount
Speaker 7: of times I've just like sat there teary eyed on
Speaker 7: a plane, like just watching old videos, old pictures of her.
Speaker 7: So it is the anticipation of leaving is hard. The
Speaker 7: leaving is fine, but then after a few days missing
Speaker 7: that so much, and then you get back and you're like, oh,
Speaker 7: I need a break, but that and then, of course
Speaker 7: if your moms you'll understand this. Just me constantly fantasizing
Speaker 7: isn't the right word, but thinking of all the ways,
Speaker 7: all the creative ways I could die, and all the
Speaker 7: creative ways she could die, and how sad it'll be
Speaker 7: at my funeral when she's there, but she's still little,
Speaker 7: Like I go into like I build a whole world
Speaker 7: where I've died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean same, we all we all do
Speaker 2: that on the freeway on the way here.
Speaker 6: Actually, I thought if that guy rolls over on me,
Speaker 6: that semi truck, that would, yeah, the worst phone call,
Speaker 6: and who would take care and pick him up from school?
Speaker 4: I mean it's just really all the time.
Speaker 5: Do you not have that?
Speaker 4: I feel like you never how old?
Speaker 5: How old are the kids?
Speaker 7: I'm sorry I don't know, Yeah, how old are your kids?
Speaker 7: Ethan just turned one the day after my birthday, so
Speaker 7: if every twenty third and see her just turned three
Speaker 7: in January, So.
Speaker 2: Those are sweet ages when all they are that's really sweet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, lovey, I mean yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: To answer your question, I do if a situation happens,
Speaker 1: like if the situation happens to me, and then I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: had this gone like this, then what would I do
Speaker 1: if I was but just driving down the street or
Speaker 1: something like that. I usually just don't let my brain
Speaker 1: kind of go to those ideas.
Speaker 5: She's like, I have control over my well, I don't.
Speaker 1: I have my own issues, but I don't really have
Speaker 1: much of an anxious Like we try to.
Speaker 6: Keep the ratio one healthy one to two spiral ers.
Speaker 6: I am definitely unhealthy, just in very different ways.
Speaker 5: How are you unhealthy?
Speaker 3: I'm unhealthy because I like put up all the walls.
Speaker 5: She's like, I have I I have ibs. Let's move
Speaker 5: on right now.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's we all have our issues, but I
Speaker 1: just I'm not generally one that goes too far down
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole unless something happens and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, how did that happen?
Speaker 4: Then blah blah blah blah blah. She's good at structure though,
Speaker 4: she's like management, so that all tracks.
Speaker 3: Right, it all tracks for us? Yeah, yeah, when okay?
Speaker 2: So also relation relationships wise, how does your husband because
Speaker 2: if you're traveling a lot, how is that an yall's relationship?
Speaker 2: Is the re entry back in difficult because I know
Speaker 2: that can be tricky at times.
Speaker 7: I'll have to ask his girlfriend because like there's a
Speaker 7: lot of.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: But there's like, you know, we work too.
Speaker 7: We work hard so that our kids can have their
Speaker 7: little ecosystem, right they have their nannies and they have
Speaker 7: their bed, Like their nap times are sacred, like we
Speaker 7: don't want to disrupt that. And so there's definitely Sierra
Speaker 7: has the way she is with daddy. Like I walk
Speaker 7: in in the morning and they're having a quiet breakfast
Speaker 7: because he like rolled the oats and he makes the
Speaker 7: special oatmeal and they're listening to like Leonard Cohen or
Speaker 7: like Bob Dylan, something that boys like.
Speaker 5: And I I'm like, mommy's a crab.
Speaker 7: It's just like and she's like and so I'm definitely
Speaker 7: more the dad energy and he's more than mom. Like
Speaker 7: they have a very elegant sweet time and I'm like,
Speaker 7: get on.
Speaker 5: My back right into town.
Speaker 7: So it's it's kind of I arrive and I disrupt it.
Speaker 7: But I think she needs that at least I need.
Speaker 6: That's what my husband would say, Yeah, yeah, disruptor, Yeah.
Speaker 5: She needs a paint gun, a paintball gun.
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's a super smart choice. At three,
Speaker 6: who do you love watching comedian?
Speaker 5: Wise?
Speaker 7: I get that question a lot, and I can honestly
Speaker 7: tell you I don't really watch a ton and that's
Speaker 7: in a way that like it's hard to consume art
Speaker 7: when you make that art.
Speaker 5: I have found.
Speaker 7: A joy recently and you know, all come in the
Speaker 7: room if there's a comic on stage right before me,
Speaker 7: and I'll listen, and you know, there's always like a
Speaker 7: sweet camaraderie, like giving someone a tag. We did a
Speaker 7: show called Eliza's Locals that's on Hulu where I pick
Speaker 7: like fifteen comics and I give them each ten minutes.
Speaker 5: So we got a season two that's going to be
Speaker 5: we just shot it.
Speaker 7: And so I've found a real love in watching younger comics.
Speaker 7: And I don't always help them shape it, but giving
Speaker 7: thoughts or just kind of getting seeing how much they
Speaker 7: love it. And every time I see someone who's loving
Speaker 7: it up there, it reminds me, not that I need reminding,
Speaker 7: but I get more excited to go do it because
Speaker 7: I think as comics are as performers, we forget that
Speaker 7: it is truly about the work and like the act,
Speaker 7: the actual joy that you feel in being on stage,
Speaker 7: like it doesn't matter what you're going through, like your
Speaker 7: redemption lies on the other side of that fifteen minute set, right,
Speaker 7: almost always makes you feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's so funny because mine like
Speaker 2: when we watch because we watch a lot of comedy specials,
Speaker 2: and my husband and I have very different comedic styles,
Speaker 2: Like there's a I have a favorite comedian minus you,
Speaker 2: of course, but like he's we're very different, Like I
Speaker 2: don't really like his comedies person as much and he
Speaker 2: doesn't love mine. So it's just different, like everyone has
Speaker 2: like a different different tape.
Speaker 5: Let me take a guess.
Speaker 7: Your husband likes like a middle aged white male comic
Speaker 7: and you probably maybe like that, but you tend to
Speaker 7: like a girl or something that's a little bit more nuanced.
Speaker 5: Right, No, but.
Speaker 2: THEO, right, And he's not that I don't like THEO, Like,
Speaker 2: I think he's funny at times, but I'm I'm like
Speaker 2: Sebastian Maniscalclo is my hands down, all time favorite. I
Speaker 2: love how he uses his body like it's the way
Speaker 2: he uses his face and his body, like I love them.
Speaker 2: My husband doesn't like that piece of it. He's like,
Speaker 2: I don't like how he does all that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's what's so freaking funny.
Speaker 5: Well, is your husband from the East Coast.
Speaker 2: He's Scottish, that's fine. Yeah, But the Scottish comedian, though,
Speaker 2: is really funny.
Speaker 7: Yeah, is so so painfully funny.
Speaker 5: He's one of the comics that I'll just like go
Speaker 5: back in the room.
Speaker 7: To watch because without saying anything, he's already got you laughing,
Speaker 7: like he's his own thing.
Speaker 5: I love. I think he's so funny. It is.
Speaker 7: I think also like if you're American, like my family's
Speaker 7: from the East Coast, you don't have and he's from Chicago,
Speaker 7: but like you don't have to be that, but like
Speaker 7: knowing Italian Americans like that.
Speaker 5: Whole and he's so disgusted what you said. It's open now,
Speaker 5: why isn't it open?
Speaker 7: I it reminds me of people that I know, even
Speaker 7: though he's so unique, so I can there is a
Speaker 7: point of reference as an American for him in the
Speaker 7: way that if you're like Scottish, you might not have
Speaker 7: that not saying he can't play uh Edinburgh.
Speaker 5: But right, I do find I've just heard this.
Speaker 7: Like a lot of women will come up to me
Speaker 7: and this always breaks my heart a little bit after
Speaker 7: a show and they'll be like, you're the first comedy
Speaker 7: show I've ever seen, or they'll say I don't really
Speaker 7: like stand up, but I love that, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: that's right. You don't like stand up because it is
Speaker 7: inherently a male dominated art form.
Speaker 5: So it's not that you don't.
Speaker 7: Like it, it's that you've been exposed to mostly men who,
Speaker 7: perhaps in the past, for the most part, their jokes
Speaker 7: are like they're misogynists, or it's always a little bit
Speaker 7: angry toward women, or it's about them jerking all for
Speaker 7: it's just.
Speaker 5: About like guy centric stuff through a male lens.
Speaker 7: Not that women can't talk about masterine, but it's always
Speaker 7: presented through a male lens, which is fine and it
Speaker 7: is funny, but after an hour as a woman, you're
Speaker 7: just like, okay, but where am I identifying with this?
Speaker 5: So when women don't like stand up, this thing.
Speaker 7: Like women aren't funny, that's insane and it's only born
Speaker 7: out of men saying it.
Speaker 5: Because I promise you women, weren't we just propagate it?
Speaker 2: Well, I think guys would be like, but girls only
Speaker 2: talk about pussy and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: Which is also a dated thing because I mean, I
Speaker 7: think we have enough women that do it to show
Speaker 7: like I've literally I don't think I've ever said that
Speaker 7: word on stage, and we definitely have enough women talking
Speaker 7: about other textured subjects.
Speaker 2: I feel like now though, because back in the day,
Speaker 2: like there was a comedian who now is huge, but
Speaker 2: she talked about it all the time, which made me
Speaker 2: not love. So I associated that with female comedians because
Speaker 2: I felt it because it's your samples is just the one, right,
Speaker 2: And so then I didn't expand to watch others. Now
Speaker 2: I believe that comedian has grown and she's you know, great,
Speaker 2: and I love watching her stuff now. But now it
Speaker 2: has opened me to want to see, you know, watch
Speaker 2: your specials, do other things like that, because it's not
Speaker 2: just about that you're you're broadening it to them, just
Speaker 2: not hearing about the vagina every time.
Speaker 5: I think too.
Speaker 7: While it is not the way that I choose to speak,
Speaker 7: I do think we as women and I'm not this
Speaker 7: is not about assigning blame to you, but I think
Speaker 7: we all do this. When you are of a minority,
Speaker 7: whatever that minority is, you represent that entire group.
Speaker 5: Right, So when I'm a woman and.
Speaker 7: I fuck up at work, it's like, right, because women,
Speaker 7: you know are if I cry at work, right, it's
Speaker 7: because women are emotional. And we have that one woman
Speaker 7: here and she did that. We have the one black
Speaker 7: guy here who was late, so therefore that's right, that's
Speaker 7: what we think, Right, we have the one Asian guy
Speaker 7: who was good at my own because there's always good
Speaker 7: at that, there's always the representation of that one. So
Speaker 7: when you're ample size is bigger, Like if I said
Speaker 7: all white men are rapists, you'd be like, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of white men who don't, because we have this
Speaker 7: ample size to show, we have the data points to
Speaker 7: show that that's not true. But if you only knew
Speaker 7: one white guy and he rapes someone, that is your
Speaker 7: thinking of it. So when you are I mean, I'm Jewish,
Speaker 7: and so it's always like, well, don't all Jews do this?
Speaker 7: And if I did that, like when Bernie made off
Speaker 7: over all those people, all Jews were like, oh no,
Speaker 7: like there's only like ten of us, and this guy
Speaker 7: did that. There's always that cringe at the representation. So
Speaker 7: the more women that do it, the more we realize
Speaker 7: women can speak about normal, difficult things, and we don't
Speaker 7: think about that with men. We don't think all male
Speaker 7: comics only make dick jokes.
Speaker 5: I mean it's a lot of them, right, a lot
Speaker 5: of them, And.
Speaker 7: So that's just I mean, that's the internetification also of
Speaker 7: stand up is that, like, there's so much out there
Speaker 7: you can go find exactly your weird personality type and
Speaker 7: find the exact comic talking about that that represents you
Speaker 7: or whatever profile you have, your clear Vietnamese immigrant, bisexual,
Speaker 7: you know, family that rents cats. You're like, there's a
Speaker 7: comic talking about that, like, because there's enough of them
Speaker 7: doing it right, right.
Speaker 2: Well, you are a different animal. So everyone watch on
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime Tuesday, March eleventh, You're Special, Yeah, and all
Speaker 2: the other ones and the book and the podcast and
Speaker 2: everything else. On tour Where can they find?
Speaker 5: You can see me?
Speaker 7: Eliza Dout on stam Slash Tour. I'm instagrama the only
Speaker 7: lies that does comedy. And when you you know, are like,
Speaker 7: oh I'm out of toothpaste, and you go online to
Speaker 7: buy it.
Speaker 5: Click over to My Special on Amazon Boom. I love
Speaker 5: that you're out of socks. Go watch a different animal.
Speaker 5: But we're here for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carol, thank you for coming on, thank you for
Speaker 2: keeping it real, and I'm excited to watch your special.
Speaker 4: It's going to be great.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 7: And you guys are lovely and and you were funny
Speaker 7: in the middle you said at least two things where.
Speaker 5: I was like, exactly, no, you were of all, I
Speaker 5: enjoyed you the most.
Speaker 3: Thanks. I appreciate it. Alright, ladies, I'm so validated.
Speaker 2: Have a good day.
Speaker 7: Bye, you guys, have a good one.