WEBVTT - Ep. 617: Poppin' Corks 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:13.360 If this is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:18.639 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast, you can't 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.080 predict anything. The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.520 by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.920 or scouting for ELK. First Light has performance apparel to 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.000 support every hunter in every environment. Check it out at 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.239 first light dot com. F I R S T L 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:41.559 I T E dot com. Phil's already a little annoyed. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:46.760 Tell everybody about what you're annoyed about. Phil. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.920 Come on in, Phil, Come on, I'll tell you. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:58.200 Phil's annoyed. Go ahead, Phil, Oh. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.000 Nothing, you know, I just like to set a schedu 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.760 throughout the day. You know, I know, I understand you 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.120 have to prep for the show. But we just got 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.360 done recording Trivia, which was a lot of fun, and 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.440 we started next film. We started that right on time. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.800 I just didn't want to repeat of a few days 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.160 ago when it took us like six hours to record. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.639 You know why I wanted to talk about this film. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.959 Why we're in Louisiana. Yeah, this is the most overworked. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.000 This is how this is my lead in. It just 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.560 came up this is master, this is surprise. This is 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.959 the most overworked state in the Union. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.920 Oh so you're sympathizing with me, that's what you're getting 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:32.240 at here. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.920 Here we are in Louisiana, and most of us are 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.479 just fishing and messing around, and you're under incredible stress 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.400 and strain. And it just is surprising to me that 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.360 here we are in the most overworked state in the Union. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:45.240 What does that mean? 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:46.920 What it means? 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.520 It's like not surprising that this is happening here for 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.000 phil Yeah, you know how your phone spies on you? Right, Okay, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:55.440 here I am in Louisiana. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.480 That's proven that it doesn't. But go ahead, well I 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:59.080 can prove. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.480 It too with this because here we are in Louisiana 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.600 and I get an email telling you to move to 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.880 Wyoming because it's one of the least work states, which 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:12.240 pronounced me to be who's the worst or the best? 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.080 In my view of the best, It'd be like if 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.920 Wyoming is among the top ten of least working people. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.920 Who is holding this country up? That's where my so 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.800 I get. I scroll and scroll and scroll to find 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:33.800 who's who's whose shoulders? Is the nation riding upon Louisiana? 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.640 Hardest working state in the Union, and I brought and 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.920 I wanted Phil to talk about his work stress experience, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:42.560 his work stress. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.839 I'm currently in an honorary Louisiana employee right now, and 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:48.280 I've been working hard. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.280 Yes, as measured by hours work. This is how we're 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:56.239 defining that's true. And so yeah, this feel's Phil's scheduling 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.280 anxiety actually is directly relevant there. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.840 Yeah, it's because he's feeling that wyoming, that Louisiana workiness. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.880 And uh, this has I think this has implications. For 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.760 the reason that you're hearing about this on a on 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.680 a show that focuses on hunting, fishing, outdoor pursuits is 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.200 because if you like to hunt fish, there might be 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:19.680 some little part of you in the back of your 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.920 head that wishes you weren't working as much so you'd 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:23.639 hunt fish more. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.760 I am the only person here that it has not 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.200 gone fishing on this fishing trip, So that's another thing 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.440 I just wanted through out there. But I'm in a 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.840 much better mood now that we've started rolling, so I 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:33.560 want to say thank you. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.160 Yeah, But yeah, Phil and I and crinn Are were 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.560 headed to a tiki bar in a bit and then. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:43.080 Bitch, talk's chicking. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.760 You probably only have like eighty four minutes left and 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:47.920 he's just gonna shut it down. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.000 Louisiana, Rakes ranks, is the most overwork state in the nation, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:56.040 with each person working in average of one fourteen hours annually. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.160 What's that come out to time? Divided that by fifty two? 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.360 Someone ready for this? So I'm thinking in my head, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:09.200 was the oil fields? Yeah, well not quite. Oh no, no, okay, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.000 I'm thinking in my head it's the oil fields. And 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:18.400 hear me out Texas North Dakota. Oh so, yeah, but 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.240 it's hard. It's so thirty six hours a week, but 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.560 you're not getting like Christmas and you're vaking in your 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.880 vacation hours. Texas and North Dakota place second and third, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.200 working an average of one eight hundred and sixty seven 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.919 and one eight hundred and fifty six hours annually, respectively. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.000 So Krin, can you help me out? That was third? 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.520 So if you just take Louisiana hardest working state in 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.560 the Union, they're coming in at thirty six hours a week, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.400 but of course you have your your holidays. So I'm 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.039 already thinking that that suggests me that Americans aren't working hard. Anymore. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.400 And when we talk about a nation in decline, this 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.800 could be an area to pursue. Uh, Texas and North 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.440 Dakota second and third. So North Dakota. What's eighteen fifty 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:00.240 six by. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.599 Fifty two thirty five point nine, So let's say thirty six, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:04.839 but thirty seven was. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.240 Like thirty seven points some Okay, now and now and 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.240 again oil fields right? 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:14.239 Uh. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.640 The study it's by a personal injury law firm. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:20.200 Are they honest? 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.240 They're the ones that have the billboards put the moak 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.719 on them, like you know, near like any big city 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.400 and you get to the edge of the big city 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.880 or out by the airport, they have all those signs. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.080 It's like they'd be like a lawyer on a Harley. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.600 Yeah, someone tough in uh down in Phoenix. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.400 In Phoenix, it's a guy named Rafi put Raffi on calf. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.400 There's a there's a sign outside of Little Rock, Arkansas 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:48.680 on the interstate. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.760 And it's like Bill Crockett, attorney at law, and he's 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.159 wearing a coonskin hat. Yeah, that's my lawyer. You've seen that. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.120 Let's here what these people had to say. Okay, which 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.960 people the ones that did this? 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.279 Yeah? So that's who put it together. But you know 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.640 they're going by. Okay, sure they sent the thing out, 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.279 but I received the things saying hey, move to Wyoming 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.680 because they don't work much, which surprised me because then 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.200 I started looking at this. I'm thinking oil fields, oil fields, 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.560 oil fields, But then Wyoming comes in at top ten 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:19.640 of not working that much. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.039 Well, I wonder how the oil field. I wonder how 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.320 they account for farm and ranch labor. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.719 Okay. Looking at weekly hours worked for every state to 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:32.080 determine which states work the most throughout the year. Researchers 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.279 also compared figure to the average hours worked in twenty 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:40.239 fourteen to see which states are experiencing the greatest changes 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:47.279 in working patterns. You want to know who else works hard? 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.400 Arcaanns Michigan, Texans. No, Michigan is going to be not 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:58.839 working hard state Texans, North Dakotin's, West Virginians Energy, Kentucky, Mississippi, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:05.400 they work hard. Oklahoma works hard, Arkansas works hard, Arizona 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.160 works hard. Oh no, no, we're not working much. Now. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.520 I don't know what's going on. No, No, that's the 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.000 top two, that's the top ten. But why is Wyoming 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.320 in the whole thing was that they don't work hard 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.880 in Wyoming. No, they are number ten for hard. It's working, right. 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.480 Why would I get a solicitation to move to Wyoming 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:23.680 if I didn't want to work that much? 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:25.840 They got it backwards. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.960 Your phone's not smart. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.880 Steve, Hey, you are a hard working dude. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:32.800 Lost. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:41.080 You have an hourly assumption in your contract. That's how 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:41.679 you get paid. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:43.040 I don't know. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.680 I haven't seen that in my contract. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:49.320 You work well, well beyond the fifty hours a week 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.560 or whatever you are supposed to be working. I guarantee it. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:55.840 Then none of that is trackable. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.000 Steve's phone's tracking. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.440 You apply this to anybody, Yeah, it's going to be true. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:01.840 Right. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.040 So like if someone's laying in bed thinking about something, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.440 how do you how do you count that up? 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.160 And when like Randall brought up agriculture, right, it's like. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.640 Yeah, when they go to check cows, that's a great point. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.560 Like have you did you go off to ranchers and 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:18.920 be like, well did you count when you had to 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.680 run back out and drive way the hell out to 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.160 check if the pump was working at the irrigation thing? 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:24.960 Yeah? 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.920 And I mean it's each way right, right, So this 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.160 is based off like taxes at the end of the year. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.720 It's capturing it's capturing a lot of energy work because 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.320 it's all you know, a lot of it's hourly clocking 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.240 and talking. It's capturing probably a lot of service industry work. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:47.000 You know who's got it gravest? Surprised me. The gravest 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:48.079 state is Delaware. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.679 Oh yeah, so small. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:53.560 Yeah, the. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:57.360 Work there. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.600 If you work too hard, you blow them the sides 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.199 out of the state. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.840 Hey, okay, I've been trying to say this. What I 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.319 saw when I saw that list, aside from Texas, which 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.960 is kind of an anomaly, is poverty. Like I bet 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.960 if you put that list up beside the income income 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.680 you would have those those numbers would be you know, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.679 you would have many of those states on the same 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:23.880 top ten poverty. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.280 So yeah, it'd be like a good paradox. It'd be 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.800 how do you have some of the lowest? How do 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.080 you have some of the lowest? How like hot low 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.760 GDPs overlap with not working much. Then they go on 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.200 to talk about how we work more, we work less 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.600 than we used to, which is sad, but we work more. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.600 This is saying like we Americans work more than Canadians. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:52.800 Americans work more than Brits. Americans work more than Spaniards, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.520 Americans work more than crowds. But we could beat all 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:03.960 them in the war again. So I just feel like 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.679 this should be celebrated and not treated like a bad thing. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.559 Hardworking semi, you know, we don't America, said the man 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.240 with his feet on a cooler in Louisiana fishing. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.240 Hey, we do get that Labor Day, we do get 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:22.440 that Labor Day holiday. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.000 And I just feel that while I'm here fishing in 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.120 Louisiana and you know, hanging out, I feel like it 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.839 needs to be recognized how hard we're working on here 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.960 in Louisiana. But I do worry about the future of 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.480 America if we're laying off. But some of our traditional enemies, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.280 the British and the Germans. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.800 I don't know if very traditional. 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:50.040 Well, the late Nor McDonald, late Nor McDonald had this 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.440 bit where he was talking about what countries you talking 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.680 about the axis of evil? Remember with George W. Bush 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:02.720 it was it was uh ran Iraq, North Korea, And 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.960 at that time Norm MacDonald was talking about what countries Americans' 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.079 most fear, and he says to the audience, Now, I 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.439 don't know if you're if there's any history buffs here 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:30.200 tonight gets into Germany, Right, So there's that. Uh, Cal, 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.520 can you explain I've been wanting to talk about this 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.280 one was funny. It lines up. I have a little 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.720 thing in my notes function on my phone called podcast fodder, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.080 and I will put things that I would like to 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.320 someday discuss on the podcast. And I had written in 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.960 my podcast notes the concept of reciprocity when it comes 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.320 to wildlife management, and it was on my head and 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.199 I just wrote it. I'll tell why in a little bit, 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.800 and Cal comes up talking about a reciprocity concern, and 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.160 I feel that we should explore this, and I'll out 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.240 let Cal run with it once. I explain that my 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:09.880 only familiarity with the concept of reciprocity in terms of 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:15.439 hunting rights came from the fur trapping regulations, and at 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.760 times when fur prices get really high, as a way 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.280 for a state to protect the economic interests of its 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.000 own people, they would put in a reciprocity clause because 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.040 people when fur prices get high, you have this thing 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.960 called state hopping, where trappers will bounce around the country, 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.240 going to a bunch of different states and you'd have 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:41.280 friction where you'd have a state like traditionally Montana, it 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:45.240 just changed. Traditionally Montana would not allow non residents to 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:50.240 trap fur bearing animals. So states would get back at 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.120 them and they would say a state like, let's say 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.040 I might be wrong. Let's say Wyoming does sell non 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:02.800 resident licenses. Wyoming would say, but since our residents aren't 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.440 able to trap fur bearing animals in Montana, Wyoming is 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:11.280 open to any state that would extend the same rights 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.760 to our residents, but will block them for reciprocity. And 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.720 I started thinking about if the vote in Colorado, which 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.000 we're gonna talk about in a minute, what's the prop one, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.160 what is it in twenty seven? If Prop one to 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.280 twenty seven passes in Colorado, would we explore the idea 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.959 of the reciprocity clause meaning Colorado's should not be able 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.600 to come to Montana to hunt mountain lions because of 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.960 Montana and cannot go to Colorado to hunt mountain lions. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.040 Take it away, cal Yeah. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.760 And then we had another kind of famous amongst us 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.400 case of fishing game regulations in the state of North 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.400 Dakota when we were out ice fishing and we had 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.880 our friend Jay Siemens down from Canada and where he's from. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:00.640 In Canada, they can't legally or non sorry on residents 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:07.640 can't legally spear through the ice. In North Dakota. There's 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.480 a reciprocity law that pertains to ice fishing. 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.200 Which it blew my mind. I was there, and I 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:14.360 somehow didn't pick this up. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.600 That's why Jay wasn't spearing through the ice when you 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:27.200 smashed that pike, and I was dyinga COVID the So anyway, that. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.960 Was the most just generally uncomfortable experience I've ever had. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.840 And then I have to do it where you're almost 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.440 dead from COVID would be even worse, because I was 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:36.880 fine and I was uncomfortable. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:46.480 So if you're a North Kota resident, sorry in North Dakota, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.480 if you want to spear through the ice as a 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.680 non resident, you have got to allow North Dakotas to 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.760 spear fish through the ice wherever it is you come from. Yes, 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.880 so us Montana's I could spear through the ice in 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:06.360 North Dakota. Jay could not spear through the ice in 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.480 North Dakota. That's reciprocity and fishing game loss. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.240 And I had and this really woke me up because 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.120 I was already wondering if we should go down a path, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.720 and this is a slippery slope and it would be 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.880 very tricky for me in some ways too, because I 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.080 like to bounce around a fair bit. But I was 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.480 thinking in my head, would it be an interesting concept 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:33.320 to introduce this reciprocity issue in other areas outside of trapping. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.680 And then I get to talking to Calbount. Cal's reminding me. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.840 Cal's proposing a reciprocity piece which you should get to, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.920 and then reminded me of the fishing one. And I 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.400 was surprised to realize that the reciprocity idea has already 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:52.200 been applied elsewhere outside of trapping. Point being the reciprocity 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:56.280 piece of spearfishing in North Dakota. And Cal brought up 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.440 a great reciprocity one which is. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.040 In the state of Wyoming. And I've unfortunately bitched a 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.920 moan screamed like a mash cat over this uh in raccoon. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:14.520 Yeahats teeth that as a non resident hunter in the 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.280 state of Wyoming, you cannot hunt in a federally designated 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:23.480 wilderness area without a Wyoming guide, and that guide can 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.520 be another Wyoming resident that signs a paper and says 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.040 I'm guiding this. You know, I'm their their host in 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.560 the wilderness area, because that doesn't have to be a 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:37.880 paid thing. And uh, I came up with the idea 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.000 that I'm like, oh, this should be a reciprocity issue 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.920 where Wyoming residents shouldn't be able to come to Montana 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.280 and hunt in our wilderness. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:53.640 Areas without you going with them. Yeah, why is that 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.800 not Why is that not being Why is that not 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.120 a reciprocity issue? Why would you be able to live 0:16:58.160 --> 0:16:59.960 in Wyoming and then be able to go hunt will 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.200 areas in Idaho and Montana and everywhere else in the country. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.400 Right, And so I floated this out there on on 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.439 my podcast, The Col's Week in Review podcast. And this 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.679 is just the subject line in Russ Grisbeck's email to 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:24.280 me leave Wyoming and don't come back, asshole. I really 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.760 sick of you pissing and moaning on my awesome state 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.400 and advocating for more rules and regulations. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.560 Oh, I don't like it. You're advocating for rules and regulations. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.240 They're the ones that have the rules and regulations. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.280 I don't like the Wilderness Band either, But advocating to 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.399 put restrictions on Wyoming residents because of our Game and 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:47.560 Fish having dumb ass rules. F off cal stop being 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:48.400 so entitled. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.160 I think he's mixing some things up well. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.040 But it also kind of validates my point. If or 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.200 Russ here is so fired up about just the thought 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.320 of not being able to hunt a wilderness area because of, 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.400 as he puts it, their own dumb ass rules, then 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:09.480 maybe we got something. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.320 Maybe he didn't think they're as bad as he leads. 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:13.720 On real Maybe he should. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.320 He should get involved in the process and talk to 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.119 his Game and Fish and say, hey, you know what 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:18.400 I think. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.720 I don't believe it's game and Fish. It's not game 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.200 and Fish, it's uh Wyoming Outfitter and Guides Association. Well, yeah, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.159 so I have I can't say. I'd love to be 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.800 able to say who told me this, but he would 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.119 be very pissed if I said I have an un 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:39.680 good authority, that that that rule is a legal house 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.320 of cards. Oh yeah, and that if a rosa parks 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.000 into type individual I don't mean to in any way 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.840 e quite being able to hunt wilderness areas with with 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.400 suffrage and civil rights movement. So let me. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.400 Walk that back civil disobedience. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:19:03.840 Okay, if a civil disobedience person can reuse my analogy, 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:08.080 because I do kind of like it, but I don't 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.560 were to go and say, here, I am, I'm hunting 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.560 in a wilderness area Wyoming without a guide, Come give 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.640 me a ticket. And then they gave themselves even a 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:24.920 half assed bit of legal representation, it would the house 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:25.920 of cards would collapse. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:26.880 Yeah. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.920 Part of the problem is this, I got a bunch 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:36.120 of points. Here's here's like one of the wrinkles. Here's 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:42.359 where it becomes a little bit arbitrary and capricious. A wolf, Okay, 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.680 take a wolf in Wyoming in the northwest corner of 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.320 the state. A wolf whelming is a big game animal. Okay, 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.719 outside of that area, this this little marked off area, 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.199 a wolf and whelming is not a big game animal. 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.479 It's the same as a kyle. It's a non game animal. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:10.240 Meaning you could hunt wolves on wilderness area unguided outside 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:16.120 of this line, but you couldn't hunt wolves unguided inside 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.119 of the line. And there are some other little bits 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.760 about how it came to be, and he feels that 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:27.760 it's completely un It's his review of it is that 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.560 the rule is completely indefensible, indefensible, and it would be 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:36.280 arbitrary and capricious. People like to say why the rule 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.560 went into place, and they say that it was meant 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.720 to protect the interests of guides and outfitters, but that 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:48.720 they build it as a safety issue. Mm hmm. When 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.560 he looked into it, he found that, as is usually 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:57.199 the case, the reasoning behind a law is not codified, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.960 Meaning when you pass a law which has been around 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.480 for a long time, no one says, hey, let's also 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:08.560 record the primary arguments for and against. So it's not real. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.719 It was never really marked what the actual primary reason for, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.960 but it was seems to be have been promoted by 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:21.119 guides and outfitters and build as a safety issue. But 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:26.040 you can go into a wilderness area and do free 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.280 solo climbing, Yeah you can, so is it safety? You 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:31.200 can hike in there? 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.760 Well, I mean that's the fun part, right, is Like 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:39.479 you can go camp with a gun during hunting season 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.440 and you're totally legal to do that. You just can't 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.120 be hunting with that gun. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:47.040 Yeah right. 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:48.320 You can fish, you. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.240 Can ski, so there's a hot tip. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.800 I might had to say this for a the what's 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.760 our little segment in the show where we make make 0:21:58.840 --> 0:21:59.479 up the laws. 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:01.480 That's a different show. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.240 Yeah, I know I might have to say it for that, 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.800 but you could do a reciprocity would do the reciprocity 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:13.840 for uh, non resident tag costs. 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.520 The deer tag costs one thousand dollars and then want 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.560 to come into your day when I go to Arkansas, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.720 me as a Montana resident would have to pay a 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:24.359 thousand dollars to hunt deer. 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:25.560 That's Arkansas. 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.359 I don't want the reciprocity thing to get carried away. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.600 I don't want to do either. That's kind of. 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:34.399 Like, here's here's a different take on it. I think 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:39.040 I see what you're saying. I think states I ought to. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:44.000 I ought to receive incredible benefit as a hunter and 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.680 sportsman in my state for living there. 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.879 Yeah, yes, fantastic, And you probably do. Yeah. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:54.440 So so you know, if the people where I live 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.840 were smart enough made it, maybe we'd have had that 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.360 law too fifty years ago. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.320 I have never had a problem with I mean, well, 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.520 let me start with saying I have never had a 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:12.160 problem with and I totally support a state giving preference 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.560