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Speaker 1: I T E dot com. Phil's already a little annoyed.
Speaker 1: Tell everybody about what you're annoyed about. Phil.
Speaker 2: Come on in, Phil, Come on, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Phil's annoyed. Go ahead, Phil, Oh.
Speaker 3: Nothing, you know, I just like to set a schedu
Speaker 3: throughout the day. You know, I know, I understand you
Speaker 3: have to prep for the show. But we just got
Speaker 3: done recording Trivia, which was a lot of fun, and
Speaker 3: we started next film. We started that right on time.
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to repeat of a few days
Speaker 3: ago when it took us like six hours to record.
Speaker 1: You know why I wanted to talk about this film.
Speaker 1: Why we're in Louisiana. Yeah, this is the most overworked.
Speaker 1: This is how this is my lead in. It just
Speaker 1: came up this is master, this is surprise. This is
Speaker 1: the most overworked state in the Union.
Speaker 3: Oh so you're sympathizing with me, that's what you're getting
Speaker 3: at here.
Speaker 1: Here we are in Louisiana, and most of us are
Speaker 1: just fishing and messing around, and you're under incredible stress
Speaker 1: and strain. And it just is surprising to me that
Speaker 1: here we are in the most overworked state in the Union.
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: What it means?
Speaker 5: It's like not surprising that this is happening here for
Speaker 5: phil Yeah, you know how your phone spies on you? Right, Okay,
Speaker 5: here I am in Louisiana.
Speaker 4: That's proven that it doesn't. But go ahead, well I
Speaker 4: can prove.
Speaker 1: It too with this because here we are in Louisiana
Speaker 1: and I get an email telling you to move to
Speaker 1: Wyoming because it's one of the least work states, which
Speaker 1: pronounced me to be who's the worst or the best?
Speaker 1: In my view of the best, It'd be like if
Speaker 1: Wyoming is among the top ten of least working people.
Speaker 1: Who is holding this country up? That's where my so
Speaker 1: I get. I scroll and scroll and scroll to find
Speaker 1: who's who's whose shoulders? Is the nation riding upon Louisiana?
Speaker 1: Hardest working state in the Union, and I brought and
Speaker 1: I wanted Phil to talk about his work stress experience,
Speaker 1: his work stress.
Speaker 3: I'm currently in an honorary Louisiana employee right now, and
Speaker 3: I've been working hard.
Speaker 6: Yes, as measured by hours work. This is how we're
Speaker 6: defining that's true. And so yeah, this feel's Phil's scheduling
Speaker 6: anxiety actually is directly relevant there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because he's feeling that wyoming, that Louisiana workiness.
Speaker 1: And uh, this has I think this has implications. For
Speaker 1: the reason that you're hearing about this on a on
Speaker 1: a show that focuses on hunting, fishing, outdoor pursuits is
Speaker 1: because if you like to hunt fish, there might be
Speaker 1: some little part of you in the back of your
Speaker 1: head that wishes you weren't working as much so you'd
Speaker 1: hunt fish more.
Speaker 3: I am the only person here that it has not
Speaker 3: gone fishing on this fishing trip, So that's another thing
Speaker 3: I just wanted through out there. But I'm in a
Speaker 3: much better mood now that we've started rolling, so I
Speaker 3: want to say thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But yeah, Phil and I and crinn Are were
Speaker 6: headed to a tiki bar in a bit and then.
Speaker 4: Bitch, talk's chicking.
Speaker 7: You probably only have like eighty four minutes left and
Speaker 7: he's just gonna shut it down.
Speaker 1: Louisiana, Rakes ranks, is the most overwork state in the nation,
Speaker 1: with each person working in average of one fourteen hours annually.
Speaker 1: What's that come out to time? Divided that by fifty two?
Speaker 1: Someone ready for this? So I'm thinking in my head,
Speaker 1: was the oil fields? Yeah, well not quite. Oh no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking in my head it's the oil fields. And
Speaker 1: hear me out Texas North Dakota. Oh so, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's so thirty six hours a week, but
Speaker 1: you're not getting like Christmas and you're vaking in your
Speaker 1: vacation hours. Texas and North Dakota place second and third,
Speaker 1: working an average of one eight hundred and sixty seven
Speaker 1: and one eight hundred and fifty six hours annually, respectively.
Speaker 1: So Krin, can you help me out? That was third?
Speaker 1: So if you just take Louisiana hardest working state in
Speaker 1: the Union, they're coming in at thirty six hours a week,
Speaker 1: but of course you have your your holidays. So I'm
Speaker 1: already thinking that that suggests me that Americans aren't working hard. Anymore.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about a nation in decline, this
Speaker 1: could be an area to pursue. Uh, Texas and North
Speaker 1: Dakota second and third. So North Dakota. What's eighteen fifty
Speaker 1: six by.
Speaker 8: Fifty two thirty five point nine, So let's say thirty six,
Speaker 8: but thirty seven was.
Speaker 1: Like thirty seven points some Okay, now and now and
Speaker 1: again oil fields right?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The study it's by a personal injury law firm.
Speaker 4: Are they honest?
Speaker 1: They're the ones that have the billboards put the moak
Speaker 1: on them, like you know, near like any big city
Speaker 1: and you get to the edge of the big city
Speaker 1: or out by the airport, they have all those signs.
Speaker 1: It's like they'd be like a lawyer on a Harley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone tough in uh down in Phoenix.
Speaker 6: In Phoenix, it's a guy named Rafi put Raffi on calf.
Speaker 5: There's a there's a sign outside of Little Rock, Arkansas
Speaker 5: on the interstate.
Speaker 1: And it's like Bill Crockett, attorney at law, and he's
Speaker 1: wearing a coonskin hat. Yeah, that's my lawyer. You've seen that.
Speaker 7: Let's here what these people had to say. Okay, which
Speaker 7: people the ones that did this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So that's who put it together. But you know
Speaker 1: they're going by. Okay, sure they sent the thing out,
Speaker 1: but I received the things saying hey, move to Wyoming
Speaker 1: because they don't work much, which surprised me because then
Speaker 1: I started looking at this. I'm thinking oil fields, oil fields,
Speaker 1: oil fields, But then Wyoming comes in at top ten
Speaker 1: of not working that much.
Speaker 6: Well, I wonder how the oil field. I wonder how
Speaker 6: they account for farm and ranch labor.
Speaker 1: Okay. Looking at weekly hours worked for every state to
Speaker 1: determine which states work the most throughout the year. Researchers
Speaker 1: also compared figure to the average hours worked in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen to see which states are experiencing the greatest changes
Speaker 1: in working patterns. You want to know who else works hard?
Speaker 1: Arcaanns Michigan, Texans. No, Michigan is going to be not
Speaker 1: working hard state Texans, North Dakotin's, West Virginians Energy, Kentucky, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: they work hard. Oklahoma works hard, Arkansas works hard, Arizona
Speaker 1: works hard. Oh no, no, we're not working much. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. No, No, that's the
Speaker 1: top two, that's the top ten. But why is Wyoming
Speaker 1: in the whole thing was that they don't work hard
Speaker 1: in Wyoming. No, they are number ten for hard. It's working, right.
Speaker 1: Why would I get a solicitation to move to Wyoming
Speaker 1: if I didn't want to work that much?
Speaker 8: They got it backwards.
Speaker 4: Your phone's not smart.
Speaker 9: Steve, Hey, you are a hard working dude.
Speaker 4: Lost.
Speaker 9: You have an hourly assumption in your contract. That's how
Speaker 9: you get paid.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that in my contract.
Speaker 9: You work well, well beyond the fifty hours a week
Speaker 9: or whatever you are supposed to be working. I guarantee it.
Speaker 9: Then none of that is trackable.
Speaker 1: Steve's phone's tracking.
Speaker 9: You apply this to anybody, Yeah, it's going to be true.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So like if someone's laying in bed thinking about something,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you count that up?
Speaker 9: And when like Randall brought up agriculture, right, it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they go to check cows, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Like have you did you go off to ranchers and
Speaker 1: be like, well did you count when you had to
Speaker 1: run back out and drive way the hell out to
Speaker 1: check if the pump was working at the irrigation thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: And I mean it's each way right, right, So this
Speaker 9: is based off like taxes at the end of the year.
Speaker 6: It's capturing it's capturing a lot of energy work because
Speaker 6: it's all you know, a lot of it's hourly clocking
Speaker 6: and talking. It's capturing probably a lot of service industry work.
Speaker 1: You know who's got it gravest? Surprised me. The gravest
Speaker 1: state is Delaware.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, so small.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Work there.
Speaker 9: If you work too hard, you blow them the sides
Speaker 9: out of the state.
Speaker 5: Hey, okay, I've been trying to say this. What I
Speaker 5: saw when I saw that list, aside from Texas, which
Speaker 5: is kind of an anomaly, is poverty. Like I bet
Speaker 5: if you put that list up beside the income income
Speaker 5: you would have those those numbers would be you know,
Speaker 5: you would have many of those states on the same
Speaker 5: top ten poverty.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it'd be like a good paradox. It'd be
Speaker 1: how do you have some of the lowest? How do
Speaker 1: you have some of the lowest? How like hot low
Speaker 1: GDPs overlap with not working much. Then they go on
Speaker 1: to talk about how we work more, we work less
Speaker 1: than we used to, which is sad, but we work more.
Speaker 1: This is saying like we Americans work more than Canadians.
Speaker 1: Americans work more than Brits. Americans work more than Spaniards,
Speaker 1: Americans work more than crowds. But we could beat all
Speaker 1: them in the war again. So I just feel like
Speaker 1: this should be celebrated and not treated like a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Hardworking semi, you know, we don't America, said the man
Speaker 1: with his feet on a cooler in Louisiana fishing.
Speaker 10: Hey, we do get that Labor Day, we do get
Speaker 10: that Labor Day holiday.
Speaker 1: And I just feel that while I'm here fishing in
Speaker 1: Louisiana and you know, hanging out, I feel like it
Speaker 1: needs to be recognized how hard we're working on here
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. But I do worry about the future of
Speaker 1: America if we're laying off. But some of our traditional enemies,
Speaker 1: the British and the Germans.
Speaker 2: I don't know if very traditional.
Speaker 1: Well, the late Nor McDonald, late Nor McDonald had this
Speaker 1: bit where he was talking about what countries you talking
Speaker 1: about the axis of evil? Remember with George W. Bush
Speaker 1: it was it was uh ran Iraq, North Korea, And
Speaker 1: at that time Norm MacDonald was talking about what countries Americans'
Speaker 1: most fear, and he says to the audience, Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're if there's any history buffs here
Speaker 1: tonight gets into Germany, Right, So there's that. Uh, Cal,
Speaker 1: can you explain I've been wanting to talk about this
Speaker 1: one was funny. It lines up. I have a little
Speaker 1: thing in my notes function on my phone called podcast fodder,
Speaker 1: and I will put things that I would like to
Speaker 1: someday discuss on the podcast. And I had written in
Speaker 1: my podcast notes the concept of reciprocity when it comes
Speaker 1: to wildlife management, and it was on my head and
Speaker 1: I just wrote it. I'll tell why in a little bit,
Speaker 1: and Cal comes up talking about a reciprocity concern, and
Speaker 1: I feel that we should explore this, and I'll out
Speaker 1: let Cal run with it once. I explain that my
Speaker 1: only familiarity with the concept of reciprocity in terms of
Speaker 1: hunting rights came from the fur trapping regulations, and at
Speaker 1: times when fur prices get really high, as a way
Speaker 1: for a state to protect the economic interests of its
Speaker 1: own people, they would put in a reciprocity clause because
Speaker 1: people when fur prices get high, you have this thing
Speaker 1: called state hopping, where trappers will bounce around the country,
Speaker 1: going to a bunch of different states and you'd have
Speaker 1: friction where you'd have a state like traditionally Montana, it
Speaker 1: just changed. Traditionally Montana would not allow non residents to
Speaker 1: trap fur bearing animals. So states would get back at
Speaker 1: them and they would say a state like, let's say
Speaker 1: I might be wrong. Let's say Wyoming does sell non
Speaker 1: resident licenses. Wyoming would say, but since our residents aren't
Speaker 1: able to trap fur bearing animals in Montana, Wyoming is
Speaker 1: open to any state that would extend the same rights
Speaker 1: to our residents, but will block them for reciprocity. And
Speaker 1: I started thinking about if the vote in Colorado, which
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about in a minute, what's the prop one,
Speaker 1: what is it in twenty seven? If Prop one to
Speaker 1: twenty seven passes in Colorado, would we explore the idea
Speaker 1: of the reciprocity clause meaning Colorado's should not be able
Speaker 1: to come to Montana to hunt mountain lions because of
Speaker 1: Montana and cannot go to Colorado to hunt mountain lions.
Speaker 1: Take it away, cal Yeah.
Speaker 9: And then we had another kind of famous amongst us
Speaker 9: case of fishing game regulations in the state of North
Speaker 9: Dakota when we were out ice fishing and we had
Speaker 9: our friend Jay Siemens down from Canada and where he's from.
Speaker 9: In Canada, they can't legally or non sorry on residents
Speaker 9: can't legally spear through the ice. In North Dakota. There's
Speaker 9: a reciprocity law that pertains to ice fishing.
Speaker 1: Which it blew my mind. I was there, and I
Speaker 1: somehow didn't pick this up.
Speaker 9: That's why Jay wasn't spearing through the ice when you
Speaker 9: smashed that pike, and I was dyinga COVID the So anyway, that.
Speaker 1: Was the most just generally uncomfortable experience I've ever had.
Speaker 1: And then I have to do it where you're almost
Speaker 1: dead from COVID would be even worse, because I was
Speaker 1: fine and I was uncomfortable.
Speaker 9: So if you're a North Kota resident, sorry in North Dakota,
Speaker 9: if you want to spear through the ice as a
Speaker 9: non resident, you have got to allow North Dakotas to
Speaker 9: spear fish through the ice wherever it is you come from. Yes,
Speaker 9: so us Montana's I could spear through the ice in
Speaker 9: North Dakota. Jay could not spear through the ice in
Speaker 9: North Dakota. That's reciprocity and fishing game loss.
Speaker 1: And I had and this really woke me up because
Speaker 1: I was already wondering if we should go down a path,
Speaker 1: and this is a slippery slope and it would be
Speaker 1: very tricky for me in some ways too, because I
Speaker 1: like to bounce around a fair bit. But I was
Speaker 1: thinking in my head, would it be an interesting concept
Speaker 1: to introduce this reciprocity issue in other areas outside of trapping.
Speaker 1: And then I get to talking to Calbount. Cal's reminding me.
Speaker 1: Cal's proposing a reciprocity piece which you should get to,
Speaker 1: and then reminded me of the fishing one. And I
Speaker 1: was surprised to realize that the reciprocity idea has already
Speaker 1: been applied elsewhere outside of trapping. Point being the reciprocity
Speaker 1: piece of spearfishing in North Dakota. And Cal brought up
Speaker 1: a great reciprocity one which is.
Speaker 9: In the state of Wyoming. And I've unfortunately bitched a
Speaker 9: moan screamed like a mash cat over this uh in raccoon.
Speaker 9: Yeahats teeth that as a non resident hunter in the
Speaker 9: state of Wyoming, you cannot hunt in a federally designated
Speaker 9: wilderness area without a Wyoming guide, and that guide can
Speaker 9: be another Wyoming resident that signs a paper and says
Speaker 9: I'm guiding this. You know, I'm their their host in
Speaker 9: the wilderness area, because that doesn't have to be a
Speaker 9: paid thing. And uh, I came up with the idea
Speaker 9: that I'm like, oh, this should be a reciprocity issue
Speaker 9: where Wyoming residents shouldn't be able to come to Montana
Speaker 9: and hunt in our wilderness.
Speaker 1: Areas without you going with them. Yeah, why is that
Speaker 1: not Why is that not being Why is that not
Speaker 1: a reciprocity issue? Why would you be able to live
Speaker 1: in Wyoming and then be able to go hunt will
Speaker 1: areas in Idaho and Montana and everywhere else in the country.
Speaker 9: Right, And so I floated this out there on on
Speaker 9: my podcast, The Col's Week in Review podcast. And this
Speaker 9: is just the subject line in Russ Grisbeck's email to
Speaker 9: me leave Wyoming and don't come back, asshole. I really
Speaker 9: sick of you pissing and moaning on my awesome state
Speaker 9: and advocating for more rules and regulations.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't like it. You're advocating for rules and regulations.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that have the rules and regulations.
Speaker 9: I don't like the Wilderness Band either, But advocating to
Speaker 9: put restrictions on Wyoming residents because of our Game and
Speaker 9: Fish having dumb ass rules. F off cal stop being
Speaker 9: so entitled.
Speaker 1: I think he's mixing some things up well.
Speaker 9: But it also kind of validates my point. If or
Speaker 9: Russ here is so fired up about just the thought
Speaker 9: of not being able to hunt a wilderness area because of,
Speaker 9: as he puts it, their own dumb ass rules, then
Speaker 9: maybe we got something.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't think they're as bad as he leads.
Speaker 4: On real Maybe he should.
Speaker 7: He should get involved in the process and talk to
Speaker 7: his Game and Fish and say, hey, you know what
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's game and Fish. It's not game
Speaker 1: and Fish, it's uh Wyoming Outfitter and Guides Association. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have I can't say. I'd love to be
Speaker 1: able to say who told me this, but he would
Speaker 1: be very pissed if I said I have an un
Speaker 1: good authority, that that that rule is a legal house
Speaker 1: of cards. Oh yeah, and that if a rosa parks
Speaker 1: into type individual I don't mean to in any way
Speaker 1: e quite being able to hunt wilderness areas with with
Speaker 1: suffrage and civil rights movement. So let me.
Speaker 2: Walk that back civil disobedience.
Speaker 1: Okay, if a civil disobedience person can reuse my analogy,
Speaker 1: because I do kind of like it, but I don't
Speaker 1: were to go and say, here, I am, I'm hunting
Speaker 1: in a wilderness area Wyoming without a guide, Come give
Speaker 1: me a ticket. And then they gave themselves even a
Speaker 1: half assed bit of legal representation, it would the house
Speaker 1: of cards would collapse.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Part of the problem is this, I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of points. Here's here's like one of the wrinkles. Here's
Speaker 1: where it becomes a little bit arbitrary and capricious. A wolf, Okay,
Speaker 1: take a wolf in Wyoming in the northwest corner of
Speaker 1: the state. A wolf whelming is a big game animal. Okay,
Speaker 1: outside of that area, this this little marked off area,
Speaker 1: a wolf and whelming is not a big game animal.
Speaker 1: It's the same as a kyle. It's a non game animal.
Speaker 1: Meaning you could hunt wolves on wilderness area unguided outside
Speaker 1: of this line, but you couldn't hunt wolves unguided inside
Speaker 1: of the line. And there are some other little bits
Speaker 1: about how it came to be, and he feels that
Speaker 1: it's completely un It's his review of it is that
Speaker 1: the rule is completely indefensible, indefensible, and it would be
Speaker 1: arbitrary and capricious. People like to say why the rule
Speaker 1: went into place, and they say that it was meant
Speaker 1: to protect the interests of guides and outfitters, but that
Speaker 1: they build it as a safety issue. Mm hmm. When
Speaker 1: he looked into it, he found that, as is usually
Speaker 1: the case, the reasoning behind a law is not codified,
Speaker 1: Meaning when you pass a law which has been around
Speaker 1: for a long time, no one says, hey, let's also
Speaker 1: record the primary arguments for and against. So it's not real.
Speaker 1: It was never really marked what the actual primary reason for,
Speaker 1: but it was seems to be have been promoted by
Speaker 1: guides and outfitters and build as a safety issue. But
Speaker 1: you can go into a wilderness area and do free
Speaker 1: solo climbing, Yeah you can, so is it safety? You
Speaker 1: can hike in there?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean that's the fun part, right, is Like
Speaker 9: you can go camp with a gun during hunting season
Speaker 9: and you're totally legal to do that. You just can't
Speaker 9: be hunting with that gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah right.
Speaker 9: You can fish, you.
Speaker 1: Can ski, so there's a hot tip.
Speaker 7: I might had to say this for a the what's
Speaker 7: our little segment in the show where we make make
Speaker 7: up the laws.
Speaker 1: That's a different show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know I might have to say it for that,
Speaker 7: but you could do a reciprocity would do the reciprocity
Speaker 7: for uh, non resident tag costs.
Speaker 5: The deer tag costs one thousand dollars and then want
Speaker 5: to come into your day when I go to Arkansas,
Speaker 5: me as a Montana resident would have to pay a
Speaker 5: thousand dollars to hunt deer.
Speaker 4: That's Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I don't want the reciprocity thing to get carried away.
Speaker 9: I don't want to do either. That's kind of.
Speaker 5: Like, here's here's a different take on it. I think
Speaker 5: I see what you're saying. I think states I ought to.
Speaker 5: I ought to receive incredible benefit as a hunter and
Speaker 5: sportsman in my state for living there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, fantastic, And you probably do. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So so you know, if the people where I live
Speaker 5: were smart enough made it, maybe we'd have had that
Speaker 5: law too fifty years ago.
Speaker 1: I have never had a problem with I mean, well,
Speaker 1: let me start with saying I have never had a
Speaker 1: problem with and I totally support a state giving preference
Speaker 1: to its residents, meaning that if you're fishing in your
Speaker 1: home state, you should be able to fish for twenty bucks,
Speaker 1: you know, like of course, and if you're going on
Speaker 1: a trip out of state. It just makes sense to
Speaker 1: me that the state should capture more revenue and can
Speaker 1: have a tiered structure and have preferential treatment on bag
Speaker 1: limits and preferential treatment on limited opportunities, particularly limited opportunities
Speaker 1: tag draws and all. That makes total total sense to me,
Speaker 1: even though I go, like when I'm fishing in Alaska,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, God, damn it, these guys could do everything.
Speaker 1: You know, bumps me out. But I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: I understand it. But I think the reciprocity issue should
Speaker 1: be pushed heavier. And there's almost like a there's like
Speaker 1: a symbolic reciprocity where you remember when the guy, like
Speaker 1: a guy from California Fishing Game went to Utah to
Speaker 1: do a lion hunt. Oh yeah, after California banned lion
Speaker 1: hunting and he didn't and he sort of suffered a
Speaker 1: social reciprocity and lost his position because he went and
Speaker 1: did a hunt that you can't do in your own state,
Speaker 1: which I thought at the time was absurd.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, think of all the people that go
Speaker 9: to Alaska like we were talking right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you go to Alaskan do oh, go to
Speaker 1: Alaskan do a brown bear hunt? You can't hunt those
Speaker 1: in lower forty eight. You can't hunt grizzlies in lawer
Speaker 1: forty eight. Should everybody lose their job? Who's done that?
Speaker 1: Of course not? But uh, I think that Like I
Speaker 1: think with the lion thing, if you're from a state
Speaker 1: that has deemed it unsports been like unethical to hunt lions,
Speaker 1: I don't know, should you go to should you be
Speaker 1: able to go to other states the hunt lions? That penalizing.
Speaker 5: It's not like the people that are opposing uh, or
Speaker 5: that are for proposition one twenty seven and want lions band,
Speaker 5: are going to be like, all right, now let's go
Speaker 5: to Montana and kill their lines. You'd be penalizing all
Speaker 5: our people in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Under should I'm not looking at it like penalizing.
Speaker 2: The proponents of one twenty seven would love.
Speaker 1: If we had a Yeah, they would love it. That
Speaker 1: would be in the hand. But let me think of
Speaker 1: a different example. Cal's example of the wilderness area. Think,
Speaker 1: how could you have a state say if you're not
Speaker 1: from here, you can't hunt our wilderness area of which
Speaker 1: we have a ton, but our guys can freely go
Speaker 1: to hunt your wilderness area.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now I see that. Well, but the but the
Speaker 5: impetus of that would be redemption of the law, which
Speaker 5: would be that would spur Wyhoming people to be like,
Speaker 5: you know what, this is kind of an antiquated old law.
Speaker 1: That's so, you know, let's change it. I mean that
Speaker 1: would be the point of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is that it would make people have a taste
Speaker 5: of their own medicine.
Speaker 1: Well, they'll point out the person the law dog that
Speaker 1: did the analysis is from that state. It's from the
Speaker 1: state of Wyoming. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Say that again, he's from the ninth most hard working scene,
Speaker 5: the ninth most hard You know what Brent does on
Speaker 5: my pot on the render when when we're doing something
Speaker 5: he doesn't like, he says.
Speaker 1: Bull no, no, no, no, no, no. I think this is no.
Speaker 1: I think Brent was thinking Arkansas.
Speaker 10: No, Arkansas is implemented the same thing with out of
Speaker 10: state duck hunters reciprocity. Well, they have limited them to
Speaker 10: specific dates in time periods they can come for like
Speaker 10: ten days.
Speaker 9: Yes, South Dakota does that as well.
Speaker 10: But they have to choose, and it's they're trying to
Speaker 10: control the overcrowding on the public areas for waterfowl and
Speaker 10: it's me they surely sure they are, but they're getting
Speaker 10: a lot of pushback from the folks that historically have
Speaker 10: come and hunted, you know, the whole season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should point out here that the rub is economic,
Speaker 1: and it's economic in two ways. The rub is, so
Speaker 1: why can't a state, Why doesn't a state just go
Speaker 1: ahead and say it's in the interests of our state
Speaker 1: residents that there are no non resident hunting and fishing opportunities.
Speaker 1: So you'd be like, you can see that that's justifiable.
Speaker 1: The reason that doesn't happen is economics on two fronts.
Speaker 1: The states need to fund their fishing game agencies, and
Speaker 1: the fishing game agencies are responsible for everything from like
Speaker 1: access enhancement, disease research, enforcement of those residents and non
Speaker 1: residents who are hunting and fishing. And I could go
Speaker 1: on all day counting animals, biological assessments, a couple of
Speaker 1: kinds of things. They have to pay for it. It's
Speaker 1: a lot more lucrative for them to sell non resident opportunities,
Speaker 1: and it is resident opportunities. Like when you go and
Speaker 1: you're fishing for twenty bucks and some other guys fishing
Speaker 1: for two hundred bucks. That guy kicked in one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty more dollars than you did into the states. Thing.
Speaker 1: So the states need to be able to bring in people.
Speaker 1: I remember a few years ago Alaska flat out across
Speaker 1: the board doubled non resident tags, just across the board double.
Speaker 1: If it was two fifty oels five I could do
Speaker 1: more math for you three fifty seven for financial. The
Speaker 1: other economic prong to it is bars, hotels, gas stations,
Speaker 1: fishing lodges. Right, Like, think of the economic collapse that
Speaker 1: would occur in rural Alaska if you all of a
Speaker 1: sudden said no more non resident fishing, no more non
Speaker 1: resident hunting. Yeah, what is it? Were killing it? Were
Speaker 1: killing industry.
Speaker 10: It was historical. It's historically monetarily beneficial to the area
Speaker 10: around the Stuttgart in that area where the prime all
Speaker 10: of the the majority of the duck hunt is done,
Speaker 10: is like a million dollars a day. Said, so sixty
Speaker 10: million dollars of revenue over a duck season there and
Speaker 10: then to start limiting the amount of people coming in
Speaker 10: when they sell more non resident duck Hunt stamps to
Speaker 10: non residents, and they do residents of Arkansas, and that
Speaker 10: was that was the big calamity that a lot of
Speaker 10: the non residents were the argument that they were bringing up.
Speaker 10: And there's some validity to it, you know. I mean
Speaker 10: as far as loss of revenue to them, we could just.
Speaker 5: Like a PayPal account where they could just donate the money.
Speaker 10: Astant if we're closed, I can't come down anymore.
Speaker 1: Seems that I can't come down anymore. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to send all the money.
Speaker 5: Because we're arm me out of life and duck habitat,
Speaker 5: We're just gonna go ahead and give you the sixty mil.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the biggest resident non resident rubs.
Speaker 1: That just that just gets me is uh and I
Speaker 1: understand it, but uh. In Southeast Alaska, a resident is
Speaker 1: allowed one in our zone. It's many zones, but in
Speaker 1: our management zone, a resident angler is allowed one linkt
Speaker 1: a day any size.
Speaker 5: I knew the link cod was gonna come out this
Speaker 5: because it's a personal passion of mine.
Speaker 1: A non resident angler is allowed one a year. Wow,
Speaker 1: And it's a slot. And if the slots so narrow,
Speaker 1: I've taken to calling it a crack. You know, slot limits.
Speaker 1: It's a crack limit thirty to thirty five a five
Speaker 1: inch if you try hitting that window, I mean it
Speaker 1: can be done. It ain't easy, they really ham it's fun.
Speaker 5: But up there at the last game of fish meetings
Speaker 5: behind closed doors, they call it the step now Room.
Speaker 1: And in meanwhile, my brother and his little boy and
Speaker 1: they can all just get in a boat and just
Speaker 1: be like bing bing bing load the boat boys looks
Speaker 1: good to me, throwing a cool.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: The shrimp regulation up there too, right, is like that's
Speaker 9: a pretty big most.
Speaker 1: Of crab shrimp's the same. Well, no, no, no, you're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: shrimp is way bad. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's like astronomical, right,
Speaker 1: three non resident three courts of This is one of
Speaker 1: the more confusing pieces of regulation. Three courts of shrimp
Speaker 1: headed or not. So you can choose to have your
Speaker 1: limit be three courts of head on shrimp, or you
Speaker 1: can choose to have your limit be three quarts of tails.
Speaker 4: Some people guess how most people some people like to
Speaker 4: eat shrimp pads.
Speaker 1: I know, but guess how most people measure them, especially
Speaker 1: one on a spot it's like three quarters head. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's just an interesting little wrinkle. Not resident, no limit right,
Speaker 1: unlimited dungeon has crab non resident? What's wrong?
Speaker 7: Randall and I have a little inside joke going. It's
Speaker 7: not good for air, it's about seafood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something tells me it's not about seafood.
Speaker 4: Okay, moving on, we can share with you after the
Speaker 4: crab hits the button.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know ever. Crab non resident, crab
Speaker 1: three dungeis resident, crab twenty dungeons resident, you can handline
Speaker 1: an unlimited number of quillback rockfish resident can't touch one,
Speaker 1: or non resident can't even look at them?
Speaker 9: Did did you look at that fish?
Speaker 1: Son?
Speaker 4: So yeah, guys, you know what I think?
Speaker 1: I remember when uh, I think it was George W.
Speaker 4: Bush.
Speaker 5: He stated like how he didn't like broccoli, and one
Speaker 5: of the comedians said he really appreciated the passion of it,
Speaker 5: Like the passion of his is you know this doctrine.
Speaker 5: I appreciate Alaska's the passion behind their doctrine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's like we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna award the residence.
Speaker 1: We will believe we will happily take your money and
Speaker 1: then you will suffer because fish.
Speaker 4: Uh what else?
Speaker 1: So on talking about on a recent it krint, will
Speaker 1: the trivia show come out before this? Okay, on a
Speaker 1: recent if you've listened to the trivia show, you heard
Speaker 1: me make a is it a quip when you kind
Speaker 1: of bitch for a minute, equip like a bitchy little statement. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't rant equipped equipped about former head of US
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Service Dan Ash writing a bunch of
Speaker 1: or you know, writing op eds and whatnot coming out
Speaker 1: in support of Proposition one twenty seven in Colorado, which
Speaker 1: would ban any kind of hunting or trapping for mountain lions, bobcats,
Speaker 1: and oddly links, even though links enjoy and danger Species
Speaker 1: Act protections in Colorado, dan Ash making a sort of salad,
Speaker 1: a sort of mixed salad of criticisms of lion hunting,
Speaker 1: one saying it disrupts their family dynamics. Okay, like the
Speaker 1: Ash family dynamics. No that by hunting mountain lions you
Speaker 1: disrupt their family structures. Okay, we'll get to that, because
Speaker 1: I could think of that being applicable to any number
Speaker 1: of pursuits, including when you catch a bluegill off of
Speaker 1: its bed, I feel like you've sort of stirred up
Speaker 1: its family dynamic, him saying it's unethical and doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: him saying it's unethical and doesn't follow the principles of
Speaker 1: fair chase he was raised with him saying that that
Speaker 1: lions are somehow going to help us in the battle
Speaker 1: with chronic wasting disease ODD and that there's zero evidence
Speaker 1: that that's true, and holding that in Colorado. Colorado is
Speaker 1: where CWD was first identified in the late seventies and
Speaker 1: has had a sizable, stable population of mountain lions since then.
Speaker 1: So the most obvious case in point would be we
Speaker 1: have a lot of lions in Colorado and we don't
Speaker 1: have CWD. But it's like, we have a lot of
Speaker 1: lions in Colorado and we're the first state to have CWD,
Speaker 1: but if we stop hunting them, it'll somehow help HM
Speaker 1: dan Ash saying, have I covered all of his little points? Well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that he was a peasant hunter. Oh and
Speaker 1: the reason everybody's getting all that, the reason they's so
Speaker 1: the reason the animal rights community is so excited about
Speaker 1: they now love dan Ash you know, the animal rights
Speaker 1: community would have probably not liked dan Ash historically because
Speaker 1: he identified as a hunter. But now he's like everybody's favorite,
Speaker 1: like with the left, like if if someone walks away,
Speaker 1: when someone would walk away from the Trump administration, so
Speaker 1: you could be like in the Trump administration and the
Speaker 1: media hates you, despises you. Then you walk away from
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and criticize the Trump administration, and that
Speaker 1: night you're on Colbert like they adore you now because
Speaker 1: you've ident You've like joined, You haven't fundamentally changed. You
Speaker 1: just like start arguing the thing that they wanted to argue.
Speaker 1: So now the animal rights community is.
Speaker 9: Like, oh, dan Ash is so wonderful.
Speaker 1: He's a hunter. He and he doesn't like hunting lines.
Speaker 1: His fair chase thing is is absurd. I don't really
Speaker 1: know he knows. I don't really know. But I guarantee
Speaker 1: that that guy in the circles, that guy run and
Speaker 1: has done penn raised pheasant hunting. I guarantee it. I
Speaker 1: guarantee it that he has hunted pen birds. I guarantee
Speaker 1: he's hunted. He's done some big game hunting. I bet
Speaker 1: you anything he has done some big game hunting around cropfields.
Speaker 1: In terms of it being not fair chase, I would
Speaker 1: have to be. He must be speaking to some aspect
Speaker 1: of its level of difficulty. Okay, my ten year olds
Speaker 1: can kill deer with rifles. If I told my ten
Speaker 1: year old to right now go catch a mountain lion
Speaker 1: with dogs and get it, they would probably come back
Speaker 1: to me in twenty years and say that they're done.
Speaker 1: They got it. It would be I wouldn't hear for
Speaker 1: them for twenty years. If I said to them, you
Speaker 1: can't come home until you kill a deer, they would
Speaker 1: be back later that day. It's like, I don't understand
Speaker 1: what the guy is talking about in his argument that
Speaker 1: like family dynastic, that it disrupts family dynasts. Like, dude,
Speaker 1: what is happening when you hunt waterfowl? When you hunt
Speaker 1: Canada geese? Canada eese? You have Canada geese. They might
Speaker 1: not be monogamous, but they pair together and nest together.
Speaker 1: She's out doing it with other dudes. He's out doing
Speaker 1: it with other girls, but they're going to share the
Speaker 1: nest nesting responsibilities. When you kill a goose, what do
Speaker 1: you think has happened anything? If you kill a white
Speaker 1: tailed deer past the first week in November, You've disrupted
Speaker 1: its family dynamics because it was probably pregnant. If you've
Speaker 1: killed a female deer after the first week of November,
Speaker 1: you just go aborted its fetus, You've disrupted its family dynamics.
Speaker 1: What is he even talking about?
Speaker 9: What does he think of the lion family dynamics? When
Speaker 9: a male comes across a female with kittens, and then
Speaker 9: the male attacks and eats the kittens and then stays
Speaker 9: on the female until she comes in to estrus again,
Speaker 9: which they will as soon as they aren't nursing anymore,
Speaker 9: and then rapes the female. Does that fall into like
Speaker 9: proper reliance.
Speaker 1: Analytical buzzwords here? Boy?
Speaker 2: I know, but but here's the guy.
Speaker 1: It's just it's frustrating to me because here's a person
Speaker 1: that's dedicated their career and I mean, he's in the
Speaker 1: zoo business now, he runs like a zoom aquarium group
Speaker 1: of zoos and aquariums. Sure, I mean, here's an individual
Speaker 1: that's served in the very Here's an individual that's served
Speaker 1: in it like one of the highest level wildlife conservation things,
Speaker 1: and devoted his career to the wildlife conservation. I just
Speaker 1: cannot picture how I just cannot picture like the level
Speaker 1: of betrayal that that represents, and also the very mixed
Speaker 1: messaging that it represents, where you're by by saying the
Speaker 1: things he's saying, he's attacking all forms of hunting that
Speaker 1: he's declaring it. He's declaring something not hard enough, which
Speaker 1: he's completely wrong about and has no idea that the
Speaker 1: level of difficulty that goes into training dogs.
Speaker 4: Never been on a lion hunt.
Speaker 1: No problem, no idea about the level difficulty. So he's like,
Speaker 1: if it's not hard enough, you shouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: do it. It's like, Dan, buddy, I want you to
Speaker 1: review some of your pheasant hunts and ask yourself, was
Speaker 1: it really Was it always really that hard? So that's
Speaker 1: an attack on it all together. The family dynamic thing
Speaker 1: is an attack on it all together. It's just I
Speaker 1: don't understand how someone could come out of this career
Speaker 1: and then make a big show and fall into the
Speaker 1: lap of of this. It's it's very frustrating, But he's
Speaker 1: not trying to convince you.
Speaker 4: They say everybody can be bought, you know, so.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was bought. You don't think he
Speaker 1: someone gave him money to say that.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities.
Speaker 10: But he don't have to convince us sitting here. He's
Speaker 10: not trying to convince you of that. No, I'm not
Speaker 10: saying who he's trying to convince. I just don't understand
Speaker 10: how someone could I agree, how someone could.
Speaker 1: Understand have that shallow of how someone could be in
Speaker 1: the position, how they could be in the position they've
Speaker 1: been and represent the individuals they've represented, and then come
Speaker 1: and arrive at this like this, this like sort of
Speaker 1: woven fabric of complaints about something that you could apply
Speaker 1: to virtually most pursuits that he engages in. I don't
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 10: Well, it also shows that you don't have to be
Speaker 10: an expert to be appointed to a high position. That
Speaker 10: might be it might be it money money.
Speaker 7: Well, in all fairness, you know, I think there's no
Speaker 7: chance that that high dollar campaign that has Bookoo dollars billion.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they didn't. They didn't trying to find they didn't
Speaker 9: pay down money making a big donation to the Zoo
Speaker 9: and Aquarium Fund.
Speaker 1: You think so it's possible, It's possible. Only two people
Speaker 1: know neither of them's gonna say it. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: if I had to take a while.
Speaker 9: Stan and Carol Baskin.
Speaker 1: If I had if I had to take a wild
Speaker 1: stab and I had to be like, do I deep down?
Speaker 1: Do I deep deep down? I think they bought that
Speaker 1: endorsement from him? Do I think the animal rights movement
Speaker 1: bought his endorsement? And I had like get it right
Speaker 1: or else I had to die. I would say no.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not not the path you'd take.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Hey, this this came out just I think in the
Speaker 5: last two days. But the the Harris.
Speaker 1: Waltz campaign had a big hunter pow Wow. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got invited to go pheasant hunting over there? Did you really? Okay? Now,
Speaker 1: do you know much about it? I? No, I didn't
Speaker 1: go pan raised pheasant Minnesota.
Speaker 9: I don't know if they're seasons open yet.
Speaker 1: No, he's got his he's doing a little hunting thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: If I've had an article, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you want to go that?
Speaker 4: Mark Kanyon did? He went, so he wanted to.
Speaker 1: He didn't get invited.
Speaker 7: Oh he did, and Mark got inbouted and they didn't
Speaker 7: invite me and Brent.
Speaker 1: So when I said no, Mark got invited and Mark
Speaker 1: wanted to go but didn't. Well talked Hi about it?
Speaker 1: Oh are they hunting pen raised birds? Is? Dan Ash?
Speaker 1: Can go criticize him? Dan ashkan be there be like
Speaker 1: that didn't look like that heart of a shot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh you know? You know what else dan Ash doesn't like.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like this. He doesn't like that a lot
Speaker 1: of the lion hunting is done with outfitters, So apparently
Speaker 1: outfitting is bad if applied to lion hunting. Dan have
Speaker 1: you ever been on an outfitted trip fishing? Was it
Speaker 1: really that hard to catch that fish with that guy?
Speaker 1: Come on? Come on, I would have been impressed.
Speaker 5: If the if that campaign would have took those guys
Speaker 5: on like a like a bear hunt with dogs or something.
Speaker 1: Now, that would have been impressive, classical. I would have
Speaker 1: gone that.
Speaker 5: I would have been like, I'll go, this is walking
Speaker 5: in and being like man that bear he was up
Speaker 5: in that tree.
Speaker 1: He'd tell her he'd later tell you a hunt and lie.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like he was like I was at
Speaker 9: the tree. The shotgun, right, is like the most neutral
Speaker 9: of hunting firearms when it comes to campaign season red,
Speaker 9: doesn't that feel right? Like if you see a candidate
Speaker 9: or somebody, Yeah, it's gonna be with the shotgun on
Speaker 9: a rifle.
Speaker 1: I think that it would be a good article. I
Speaker 1: don't know why we haven't done this at our website.
Speaker 1: We should hear him do this because it would be
Speaker 1: a good article to go through time and and talk
Speaker 1: about the way candidates have historically tried to establish their
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing.
Speaker 2: That that's you're talking about the first ten pages of
Speaker 2: my dissertation.
Speaker 10: Every governor in the state of Arkansas that I can
Speaker 10: remember over the last in my lifetime has had a
Speaker 10: duck hunting photo.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, both both parties. That's part of the Randall.
Speaker 1: Do you say, can you help me with this? Do
Speaker 1: you say, like, do you go high flute and say
Speaker 1: bona fides or do you say you're bona fides? I
Speaker 1: can bonafides? Okay, Yeah, they try to establish their hunting
Speaker 1: and fishing bonafides. I remember some years ago Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: had to really stretch and she established he had a
Speaker 1: uncle who'd like to hunt. And John Carrey, who here's
Speaker 1: like a Vietnam veteran, you know, he was like in
Speaker 1: the a Navy seal in Vietnam, and John Carrey did
Speaker 1: a water fowl hunt during his presidential bid and took
Speaker 1: some advice from his advisors, which was this very poor
Speaker 1: advice to not carry the shotgun. Yeah, so to hunt
Speaker 1: geese with it, I believe they're goosehan to hunt with it,
Speaker 1: but not carry it. So then the images that come
Speaker 1: out when they're near the press, because the press wasn't
Speaker 1: invited to the hunt. So they're coming back from the
Speaker 1: hunt and someone says, don't carry the gun. So he
Speaker 1: then here he is, he's walking along and he's got
Speaker 1: like a gun bearer, and so it backfired.
Speaker 2: We've all been there that backfired.
Speaker 1: And then Mitt Romney had got humiliated. Yeah. Mitt Romney said, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a hunter, but he's from Utah, so pilot, No,
Speaker 1: he was a swift.
Speaker 9: Swift boat, swift boat, very brownwater Navy there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitt Romney has a humiliating thing where he So
Speaker 1: his family had long had a political history in Michigan.
Speaker 1: But Mitt Romney was from Utah himself. Is Mitt Romney's
Speaker 1: father was the governor of Michigan. Mitt Romney claimed, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a hunter, I'm a hunter, and someone digs through
Speaker 1: the state records. If I remember this cracked.
Speaker 2: They went to every state.
Speaker 1: He never bought a hunting license. Yeah, so then someone
Speaker 1: presents them in this kind of wallsyan scenario. He's presented with, well,
Speaker 1: if you did hunt, you didn't have a license, And
Speaker 1: then he said, well I did, but it was varmints.
Speaker 6: He said varments if you don't need arms. It was
Speaker 6: varments if you will, and things like that of that nature.
Speaker 1: Very embarrassing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then I think that's same. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it was Ryan was his running mate, right, and then.
Speaker 1: He's a hardcore oh yeah.
Speaker 6: But then he posed He posed for like Men's Fitness magazine,
Speaker 6: like lifting, because he did a bunch of CrossFit and
Speaker 6: he posed for Men's Fitness magazine doing bicep curls in
Speaker 6: his office and one of them is him and workout
Speaker 6: gear pulling his bow back like aiming at the camera.
Speaker 1: So Oul Ryan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, his his secret service code name during the campaign
Speaker 6: was Bowhunter.
Speaker 1: Not dear slayer.
Speaker 7: I just want to put it out there to any
Speaker 7: politicians listening. You don't have to be a hunter for
Speaker 7: me to be okay with you and vote for you.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you. It's sweet.
Speaker 4: You can just be yourself do things.
Speaker 1: I do not feel that. Uh yeah, neither Trump nor
Speaker 1: Harris has ever sought that I'm aware of, has ever
Speaker 1: sought to establish their hunting and fishing bona fides. But
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris Krim's pulling up an article where she's talking
Speaker 1: about her glock. That's very surprising. Yeah, I heard, I
Speaker 1: heard that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they say the there's equip from a New York
Speaker 6: Times article. Equip I think of that two thousand and
Speaker 6: four election season of columnists for the New York Times
Speaker 6: wrote that the worst time to be a bird in
Speaker 6: America's election season.
Speaker 4: Ah, that is a quip.
Speaker 1: That's a quip, Randald. You care to tell us about
Speaker 1: catching a thirty four inch red fish thirty five?
Speaker 6: Don't? I don't have any good thirty four in shredfish stories.
Speaker 6: I got a thirty five in shredfish story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about it. What's exceptional? What stands out
Speaker 1: in your mind as being exceptional about that? I find
Speaker 1: that to be.
Speaker 4: Now, Randall, I was on the boat with you, okay,
Speaker 4: so just yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure, honestly, there's nothing's going to be The truth will
Speaker 6: not be bent here. This is going to be okay
Speaker 6: telling all right, I mean, we've had a great week
Speaker 6: and we the first day we fished, I was fishing
Speaker 6: with two guests. In the first day we fished with
Speaker 6: Mark Kenyon, we caught a pile of redfish, but we
Speaker 6: didn't really get any big ones. I don't think we
Speaker 6: had to release any. But we were catching them consistently
Speaker 6: all day. And then the next morning we went out
Speaker 6: with a different guide and he took us to a
Speaker 6: spot where we were sort of nosed up to a
Speaker 6: little gap in the in the grass in the marsh,
Speaker 6: and so we were fishing.
Speaker 1: You're better explain the whole damn deal. Now have we
Speaker 1: even told people what we're doing. This is the Meat
Speaker 1: Eater Experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're down here media.
Speaker 6: So we so he basically we went mean he's fishing.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so we're fishing.
Speaker 1: So we're fishing, walking all the way back be like
Speaker 1: you know, when the Earth's crossed first solidified, Sure, at
Speaker 1: some point there was life, at some point there was
Speaker 1: land and water. Sometime later we hosted media experience.
Speaker 6: So we I mean, so I've just fished three days.
Speaker 6: The first day we you know, we're dividing up into
Speaker 6: boat groups, and then there's kind of crew members rotating
Speaker 6: through the boat groups.
Speaker 2: And so the first day went out with one guide.
Speaker 6: And we were pretty much everybody's popping shrimp under a float,
Speaker 6: live shrimp. And we fished, I mean, we fished all
Speaker 6: different types of scenarios. Right like yesterday, we were out
Speaker 6: next to an oil rig, casting up against sort of
Speaker 6: a band of rock.
Speaker 1: Dude. That was fun. That was cool.
Speaker 2: And there's a big, you know, flare behind us just
Speaker 2: on the on the rig. I mean it was. It
Speaker 2: was a very Gulf coast.
Speaker 1: Those fish were so stacked yea, and you just dropped.
Speaker 6: Never seen anything like that, well except for the second
Speaker 6: place we went where you dropped it, you dropped. If
Speaker 6: you dropped it within six inches of the grass, the
Speaker 6: bobber would go straight under before before the barber could
Speaker 6: even stand explain the rig yet. I mean, it's a
Speaker 6: it's a it's a foam float of popping cork. And
Speaker 6: you got I don't know, eighteen inch leader down to.
Speaker 1: Call them strike indicators. It's not it's not within the
Speaker 1: bobber family.
Speaker 2: It's within the barber family. And it's a styrofoam.
Speaker 6: It's a styrofoam float about four inches tall, and it's
Speaker 6: got a cup.
Speaker 2: The top of it is cup.
Speaker 6: The side going up the line to the rod tip
Speaker 6: has a cup on it.
Speaker 2: Below that there's an eighteen inch lead.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: And some guys will run a jighead at the bottom.
Speaker 6: Some guys will run a weight sitting on a hook.
Speaker 1: The jighead is lazy. You I have come to de turn.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we missed a lot of fish on jigheads. This
Speaker 6: big red I caught on a jighead. So you cast
Speaker 6: out against the grass.
Speaker 7: I had to stop you because an important part of
Speaker 7: the whole system of the popping cork is the fact
Speaker 7: that the cork slides on a section of basically between
Speaker 7: two swivels that is longer than the cork, so it
Speaker 7: can move back and forth, and it has little beads
Speaker 7: that are set on the line above and below the cork.
Speaker 7: So when the cork or the flow is on top
Speaker 7: of the water, it's one end of that piece of slack,
Speaker 7: and then below that you have what man will describe
Speaker 7: the leader down to your bait. So when you pull,
Speaker 7: the line actually goes through the cork and then it
Speaker 7: hits the next beads and it causes the sound of
Speaker 7: this crack and this pop, and that sound is meant
Speaker 7: to imitate. Some people say that imitates shrimp, shrimp swimming
Speaker 7: and cracking as they swim. Some people say just imitates
Speaker 7: fish feeding. But it's a it's a big time attracting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those reds will come up and try to smoke
Speaker 1: the bobbers.
Speaker 6: And when when the bobber is sitting static, it's it's
Speaker 6: oriented vertically in the water like perpendicular. It's personally vertical anyway,
Speaker 6: as when you pop it, it tips forward towards you
Speaker 6: and that cup pops on the surface and it makes
Speaker 6: a big.
Speaker 1: Splash like a hula popper.
Speaker 2: There you go precisely.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're get You're getting there now.
Speaker 2: So should we go to the fish a fish pole, Yes, spinning.
Speaker 9: Rod which is attached to Randall, doctor Randall.
Speaker 2: Most of the time.
Speaker 6: Yes, you cast it out, You cast it out, he says,
Speaker 6: the doctor is in and they uh so, anyway, there
Speaker 6: we were.
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful morning, honest is. On the boat.
Speaker 6: We had two of our guests there and we were
Speaker 6: with the guy Bone and we started catching some bigger reds.
Speaker 6: Janni's caught two. I mean this one spot there are
Speaker 6: basically two big points of grass coming together, and so
Speaker 6: the boat was pointing towards this gap in the grass
Speaker 6: and we're catching We're casting up towards points on either
Speaker 6: side of the boat, right, So if you can imagine
Speaker 6: like an hour glass, we're kind of sitting right in
Speaker 6: the neck of the hourglass, if and and we're casting
Speaker 6: up on these points. We're catching some bigger fish. And
Speaker 6: then I hook into one and it goes through the
Speaker 6: neck where the two grassy points come together, and just
Speaker 6: goes straight. I mean, it's just running like it's like
Speaker 6: it's trying to get out, trying to run down to Mexico,
Speaker 6: and it it takes it. It strips out one hundred
Speaker 6: yards of line pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: And the drag was not yea, oh it was out.
Speaker 2: It was I haven't.
Speaker 6: Really had a fish that far out that then made
Speaker 6: it back to the boat, especially when they're up on
Speaker 6: the surface like that, because there's just so much line,
Speaker 6: it's so easy for it to come slack. And this
Speaker 6: thing just tore out and then went around the corner.
Speaker 6: So all of a sudden, my line is running through
Speaker 6: the grass as if I've hooked something up on shore
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to point and I'm trying to pull
Speaker 6: it out of the grass.
Speaker 9: Randall says, the doctor is on.
Speaker 6: I said, I said, hang on, boys, we might have
Speaker 6: to chase this one down.
Speaker 1: We're going to need a bigger boat.
Speaker 2: I actually I.
Speaker 6: Was wondering if the guide, because that's what when like,
Speaker 6: when we hook a big king in the current. I mean,
Speaker 6: oftentimes you'll unclip your anchor and go follow that fish
Speaker 6: and chase it down to try to pick up line
Speaker 6: on it. I almost wondered if we were going to
Speaker 6: do that because he got so far out. I was like,
Speaker 6: there's no way this fish.
Speaker 2: Is going to stay on.
Speaker 6: Sure enough. Just a lot of hard work, you know,
Speaker 6: pumping in, real hard work, and just a character.
Speaker 2: And I think that fish determined.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's in the hardest state, you know.
Speaker 6: I think after a few minutes that fish realized what
Speaker 6: he had on the other end of the line there,
Speaker 6: and he turned around.
Speaker 2: Uh, we fought him up.
Speaker 1: He knew it was like, it's inevitable. Yeah, I'm as
Speaker 1: good as beat.
Speaker 6: Said, my god, just look at that red haired man.
Speaker 6: He said, this works on everybody else, but this guy.
Speaker 6: Something's different about him. I want to get a look
Speaker 6: at this fella. So then he came to the boat
Speaker 6: and he went around the bow the boat a couple
Speaker 6: of times, went under the boat, and uh yeah, we
Speaker 6: got him in the net. And it was a big
Speaker 6: thirty five pounds mail or sorry, thirty five inch male.
Speaker 2: I know it's probably twenty.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a male.
Speaker 4: How did you know it was a male?
Speaker 1: It wasn't a male, It wasn't it's a female.
Speaker 4: How do you know the female?
Speaker 1: Because males don't get that big squirted, but they call
Speaker 1: him bull bull red, But it's females.
Speaker 2: It squirted the white milt milt.
Speaker 6: I have a I have a photo with about a
Speaker 6: I think those are all females.
Speaker 2: I have a photo. Could be way wrong.
Speaker 6: I have a photo of it squired about twenty four
Speaker 6: twenty four inch string of milt down the front of
Speaker 6: my body and onto the boat.
Speaker 1: Wow. Uh man, now I gotta do a bunch of
Speaker 1: internet work.
Speaker 9: Said yeah, suction yep.
Speaker 2: I sat down to Steve there.
Speaker 1: My understanding is those are all females. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that's a typeworm. There's no internet, so damn it. Wow,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah that that screams male to me.
Speaker 1: Man, dude, I think that. I think it's a parent.
Speaker 1: You used the word paradox earlier. I got it. I
Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's like a paradox calling
Speaker 1: them bulls. I think the bull is not true. The
Speaker 1: bull is not referencing its maleness. Sure, it's it's referencing
Speaker 1: its size and strength. And my understanding is those are
Speaker 1: all females. Those are all breeding age females. Yeah, who
Speaker 1: has enough connection everybody else? We have the Leon Muss
Speaker 1: system running in here and it's just not working well.
Speaker 7: Show surprise because I know his system at our house
Speaker 7: works great.
Speaker 1: Spaceship Mars and all that come on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we had.
Speaker 1: Uh leah, I don't know. My favorite thing of the world.
Speaker 1: I read that. I tell you the story already.
Speaker 4: Talked on is gonna talk.
Speaker 2: This is another.
Speaker 1: Did you find it?
Speaker 8: This is from Louisiana Sportsman dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not buying it, tolf of all.
Speaker 8: Bull reds are in actuality females? Well, so then what's
Speaker 8: the definition?
Speaker 9: And a half of the backhand male.
Speaker 1: The inside? So I know, But I had a guy
Speaker 1: tell me the man genuine louis hard work in Louisiana
Speaker 1: and told me that once they that the males can't
Speaker 1: even get that size.
Speaker 6: Male redfish typically average under thirty six inches and away
Speaker 6: twenty two pound, while females averaged thirty six inches and
Speaker 6: twenty two pounds at age fifteen, So they females are
Speaker 6: generally larger. Male redfish can get big, but females are
Speaker 6: generally larger.
Speaker 9: That's what I was wrong, but right, So he got
Speaker 9: a real unicorn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that makes it even more impressive.
Speaker 1: I does you're judging by it's ejaculate?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, okay, yeah, which which the guide a lot
Speaker 6: of big words today, which the.
Speaker 1: Guide, uh, don't google any of them. Did?
Speaker 6: He confirmed our impression that that was indeed milt.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was wrong.
Speaker 5: That's fine, that would be the equivalent when when but
Speaker 5: I was, I was miss So there I was misleft.
Speaker 2: So there we.
Speaker 6: Were, and I had this big red fish in the boat,
Speaker 6: a large male, and we uh obviously well over the slot.
Speaker 6: So we released it and I ate a sandwich and
Speaker 6: I savored that moment for a little bit, and then
Speaker 6: we caught.
Speaker 1: Some more fish.
Speaker 6: The sandwich of the fish sandwich roast beef, not a
Speaker 6: fish sandwich, not a fish sandwich.
Speaker 2: The two were unrelated.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then we caught a couple of big bull
Speaker 6: reads yesterday, females doubled those. I felt I felt like
Speaker 6: there was there was an absence. There was an absence
Speaker 6: of ejaculate yesterday.
Speaker 1: You know, when you get a new piece of information,
Speaker 1: you get a new piece of information and it hasn't
Speaker 1: really become woven into your personal fabric yet, but you
Speaker 1: might start telling everybody about it. Are you wrong or
Speaker 1: did you get mislet? I mean I heard the same
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you need to see the photo again?
Speaker 1: It hasn't I haven't like made it part of me yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I've been in I've been in that. I've been
Speaker 2: in your shoes.
Speaker 1: A time. Uh, Cal, We're gonna we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: Cal's alligator guar, but first I need to share it. WHOA.
Speaker 1: I've often said I got a lot of favorite quotes.
Speaker 1: My actual favorite quote vote I can't share on the podcast.
Speaker 1: My second favorite quote is skepticism, which I did not
Speaker 1: apply when I was told the falsehood. My favorite quote
Speaker 1: has always been skepticism is the chastity of the intellect.
Speaker 1: Now here. Someone wrote in, was it Dirk, Yeah, Dirk,
Speaker 1: who is in trouble right now about his CWD reporting.
Speaker 1: Pat wrote in, here's a quote Carl Sagan. At the
Speaker 1: heart of science is an essential balance between two seemingly
Speaker 1: contradictory attitudes, an openness to new ideas and the most ruthless,
Speaker 1: skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new. This is
Speaker 1: how deep truths are winnowed for deep nonsense. I don't
Speaker 1: get that tattooed on me. That's a good one Chinese lettering, Carl.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and certainly you'll verify that that's actually what it says.
Speaker 1: I was out with that guy when I turned on Carl. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Turn turned on PBS one time and Nova was fixing
Speaker 10: to come on, and the first statement of his show
Speaker 10: was our cousins the trees.
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm not kidding to a tree. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: going a little deeper, and you he was Cosmos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was going.
Speaker 5: I think you fell into a trap that a lot
Speaker 5: of people fall in, probably like eighty percent of people,
Speaker 5: is that you're out with a Louisianna fishing guy that
Speaker 5: catches red fish every day of his life.
Speaker 1: You assume that he really is an expert.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: I mean, we all know that sometimes the people that
Speaker 5: are closest to a resource, that have grown up with it,
Speaker 5: come with all kind of preconceived biases, stuff they've been
Speaker 5: told their whole lot. And so you know, sometimes the
Speaker 5: guys that you think should know are too and they're
Speaker 5: not out nothing against Lousianna red fishing guys.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was raised by a squirrel hunter to
Speaker 1: be a squirrel hunter, and I was raised to know
Speaker 1: that this pine squirrels bit the testicles from other from
Speaker 1: fox squirrels, and I knew that, like like I knew
Speaker 1: my own name. And then you talk to a squirrel
Speaker 1: researcher and he says, I, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. And then he gets back to you a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later and says, I've really looked, and
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's true. The house of cards
Speaker 1: comes crumbling down.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've maybe not where you're from.
Speaker 1: I've no doubt spread that around. You know, calb did
Speaker 1: one of my life's goals. But he did it on accident,
Speaker 1: so does that counts. He's got the photo. It's pretty cool,
Speaker 1: we know he did it. On accident though I did.
Speaker 1: It's like there will always be an asterisk next to
Speaker 1: cals right at it. No, it wasn't an egg. Okay,
Speaker 1: No I did not.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we see a picture we were so it got
Speaker 9: a big, huge alligator guard, says a small person and
Speaker 9: we it was the first spot that we hit in
Speaker 9: the morning and being dadded by doctor Randall, we.
Speaker 2: Just want to hear the don't want story.
Speaker 6: You might need to trim down that side of the
Speaker 6: mustache to accommodate the anyway the travel podcast.
Speaker 9: Yeah, first first spot in the morning. I have like
Speaker 9: a hang up with live bait when I'm just like
Speaker 9: donating bait right like there's something about uh, just waist
Speaker 9: or something.
Speaker 1: Like using dozens of shrimp per hour.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I'm like this, this is not sustainable. I
Speaker 9: don't like it. What else you got type of thing?
Speaker 9: So we had one rod rigged up with a little
Speaker 9: paddle tale like exactly like you'd use for walleye and
Speaker 9: probably like a quarter around's jighead. And I said said
Speaker 9: to the guide, I was like, hey, can I throw
Speaker 9: that thing for a while? And He's like, yeah, you
Speaker 9: can see if you can get something on that. So
Speaker 9: I put one, rode away, picked up that thing, cast once,
Speaker 9: worked the bottom, cast again, work the bottom. There's kind
Speaker 9: of bait popping on the surface a little bit, so
Speaker 9: I went for a faster retrieve on you know, a
Speaker 9: little bit like mid column, and sure enough, like get whacked,
Speaker 9: like oh, and it just starts dragging, like pulling drag,
Speaker 9: And I'm like, oh, this has to be a big
Speaker 9: black drum because it's not like going crazy. It's just
Speaker 9: like pulling like a truck, you know, and uh, not
Speaker 9: a heavy duty rod reel set up by any means.
Speaker 9: And it's like really going and kind of have to
Speaker 9: work around the engine and then back over the other
Speaker 9: side of the boat. And finally it's like I'm gaining
Speaker 9: ground on it, and I'm not. I'm horsing it pretty good.
Speaker 4: How's the guide treating this scenario?
Speaker 2: Not with too much attention.
Speaker 9: He's like, oh, yeah, let's see what you got there.
Speaker 9: And somebody did say gar because there were gar rolling
Speaker 9: on the surface, but I immediately was like, no, if I
Speaker 9: would have hooked a gar unless I foul hooked it,
Speaker 9: which is hard to do because they're so hard, so
Speaker 9: armor plated. I'm like, this thing would have popped off,
Speaker 9: broke the line a long time ago. But then probably
Speaker 9: less than a minute after that comment, fish comes up
Speaker 9: to the surface and here's this, you know, giant alligator
Speaker 9: gar And then.
Speaker 1: How long do you think it was? Over five foot?
Speaker 9: Probably right at five foot right in there in October. Yeah,
Speaker 9: that was this dude I fished with yesterday who's great,
Speaker 9: like you know, grew up out here.
Speaker 1: Uh used to be commercial fisherman, super knowledgeable. He was
Speaker 1: complaining to me, so here you got all these redfish, trout,
Speaker 1: sheep said, offshore fish everything. He's complaining to me that
Speaker 1: he had just set a jug for alligator gar and
Speaker 1: his jug was gone, and I said, well what, And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's for whatever. I don't know why he's
Speaker 1: an alligator gar. So I'm like, what did you need
Speaker 1: an alligator gar for? Eat him? That's awesome, But then he
Speaker 1: tells me he don't, and he's picky because he don't
Speaker 1: eat speckled trout, which a lot of people come here.
Speaker 1: He's fishing all day for all these famous eating fish,
Speaker 1: and then he's after work trying to go get an
Speaker 1: alligator guar because that's like on the first that's what
Speaker 1: he wanted.
Speaker 6: On the first day that I fished with him, with Mark,
Speaker 6: we went and looked for that jug we like.
Speaker 2: On the way back.
Speaker 6: On the way back to the marina, he was like,
Speaker 6: I gotta check this jug spot to see if it
Speaker 6: show back up. He's like, I set it out two
Speaker 6: days ago. JUG's missing. But he's got to be in
Speaker 6: here somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I asked him if he thought someone horked it,
Speaker 1: and he thinks he thinks something got it.
Speaker 6: I can tell you from where that thing was where
Speaker 6: we looked for it, no one came across it because
Speaker 6: we were just ripping through. We were ripping through channels
Speaker 6: that were narrower than the gunnals of the boat and
Speaker 6: all the way back in there. And I'd asked him
Speaker 6: earlier when we ran up a similar little channel. I said,
Speaker 6: I said, so, if another boat's coming down here, would
Speaker 6: you guys just stick it up in the grass or
Speaker 6: how do you how do you signal who's going to
Speaker 6: yield to who? And he goes, there's only two other
Speaker 6: people that drive these these channels. He's like, and I
Speaker 6: know both of them. But he didn't actually answer the
Speaker 6: question because he didn't clarify if he knew where they
Speaker 6: were at that moment.
Speaker 1: At least we know somebody.
Speaker 6: Odds, the odds are good, But you haven't quite satisfied
Speaker 6: my anxiety about this.
Speaker 1: That dude told us the story that I'll just go
Speaker 1: tellics we're not we're not. We did our last camp,
Speaker 1: our last close calls thing. But check this out. So
Speaker 1: he used to have a buddy named Nam who was
Speaker 1: from Vietnam, and he was a refugee that came to
Speaker 1: the US after the end of Vietnam War, and they
Speaker 1: lived in the same what he called it. He showed
Speaker 1: me the village, which is not there anymore, but where
Speaker 1: he was brought up. And Nom was in his village.
Speaker 1: And when Katrina came, they had gone and checked on
Speaker 1: Noam multiple times to make sure they're on the same
Speaker 1: page that Nam is in fact leaving. He's going to evacuate,
Speaker 1: And everyone was understood that Nam was evacuating, and they
Speaker 1: had a plan put together. But then he doesn't evacuate.
Speaker 1: As the water's coming up, he first thing is gets
Speaker 1: and sits on his kitchen table as the water's coming up.
Speaker 1: Then he goes in into his attic. The water keeps
Speaker 1: coming up to the point where he swims, he gets
Speaker 1: a breath hold and goes back down and out his
Speaker 1: kitchen window. When he pops up, he realizes that his
Speaker 1: house isn't even where it was before he was unaware
Speaker 1: and all the turmoil that the house was drifting. So
Speaker 1: it's not that the water came up, it's that the
Speaker 1: house had left its foundation. He eventually grabs down. You
Speaker 1: know those glass balls on foam poles. He eventually gets
Speaker 1: hold of one of those, and there's so much junk
Speaker 1: coming by that he's a phrasingna get picked up in
Speaker 1: the debris. A tire comes by, He grabs the tire,
Speaker 1: holds on to the tire, and three miles later hits
Speaker 1: a fire station roof that's dry, and that's where he
Speaker 1: winds up.
Speaker 6: And I think at one point he was at it up,
Speaker 6: hanging on to the top of a phone pole.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that insulator. Yeah, and on that truck tire
Speaker 1: eventually hit a roof and got out of the water.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 1: And he got played out on that and moved yea.
Speaker 1: And the guy told me, I don't want to divulge
Speaker 1: who he was because this is a personal story, but
Speaker 1: he tells you, we're talking about we're doing that whole
Speaker 1: you got kids, all that you married, and all that
Speaker 1: he's married. But he's telling me about a past relationship
Speaker 1: she didn't work out, and he says she was rough.
Speaker 1: And then someone hooks a fish. One of our guests
Speaker 1: hooks a fish. So then I'm spending hours hoping he
Speaker 1: comes back around, but I didn't want to prompt and
Speaker 1: eventually he came back around with more of an explanation.
Speaker 1: That was the most stressful period of my trip. I
Speaker 1: would compare it to the stress that Phil fields in
Speaker 1: the hardest working state in the Union, when people just
Speaker 1: aren't getting going on, when he's the only one what
Speaker 1: he needs to have happened done.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that guy when he drove past, he showed us
Speaker 6: the village and it's just two gravel like aprons, and
Speaker 6: he's like, that used to be that road.
Speaker 2: That used to be that road.
Speaker 6: We're like, what did it look like when you get
Speaker 6: back and he's like, just like this and it's just grass.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's nothing there. And we said, did you
Speaker 6: ever find anything that you left there? They said, yeah,
Speaker 6: my work truck, or like, what's the story there? He
Speaker 6: goes it's over there and points out the water and
Speaker 6: he's like, it's still there, really, and that was it.
Speaker 6: He's like, he's like, my work truck ended up two
Speaker 6: hundred yards out in the water there and it's still
Speaker 6: on the bottom. It was just he he was incredible.
Speaker 1: He said. He told me, I said, what was the
Speaker 1: name of the village.
Speaker 6: He just called the village and they were called the
Speaker 6: village people like, not joking, And then he says it
Speaker 6: all the people that the marina has called him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And we get to this rushy corner and he
Speaker 1: says that was a beach that used to be a beach,
Speaker 1: and he says, a big alligator lay right there. Any
Speaker 1: points right across from the beach. He said, the alligator
Speaker 1: would always be there. It lived at sunned in that spot.
Speaker 1: And all the kids from the village swim in this spot.
Speaker 1: And he goes, I don't understand why they let us swim.
Speaker 1: And he even said it one day that alligator went
Speaker 1: up and ate one of the neighbors dogs. Yea, and
Speaker 1: they still didn't stop the kids from swimming in that spot. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 9: We had nothing to land the alligator.
Speaker 1: Guar with with the guard.
Speaker 9: Isn't that funny?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: No, those are worthwhile stories right in if you disagree, no.
Speaker 1: Those are a great swim.
Speaker 9: So that that was like, honestly, like the one of
Speaker 9: the more fun parts about the whole thing, because the
Speaker 9: whole time you're like, there's no way this fish is
Speaker 9: coming on. I was like, just feel fortunate that we
Speaker 9: got to confirm what it was and watching come out
Speaker 9: of the murk was so cool.
Speaker 4: Could you tell where you had it hooked?
Speaker 9: Yeah, right in the corner of the jaw, Like, no,
Speaker 9: that would have gotten to the Yeah. So that that
Speaker 9: mono leader that we all just heard the description of
Speaker 9: it was well outside of the tooth, the area and
Speaker 9: the scales, you know, the scales are so hard that
Speaker 9: it'll cut cut mono too. But so we took the
Speaker 9: bow line from the boat, right, so it's got a
Speaker 9: loop in it kind of made a lariat.
Speaker 4: Uh the guy.
Speaker 9: Uh, We put the loop over the end of the rod,
Speaker 9: fed it all the way down the rod, down the
Speaker 9: line to the gar.
Speaker 1: I got I got confused, right, because what's the objective
Speaker 1: is to lasso the gar because we.
Speaker 9: Get the jig back right, he put the net out there, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, I understand. Now, so he passes the loop over
Speaker 1: the rod down the line and then lastles it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, do a little hand, understand to get the rope
Speaker 9: down there. We're like, okay, we kind of did that.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 9: And he's like, now lift his nose up. It's like,
Speaker 9: well that we can't do that. It's not the rod's
Speaker 9: not stiff enough to get this prehistoric fish out of
Speaker 9: the water. But so he kind of got his hand
Speaker 9: in there and got the loop over the guard's nose.
Speaker 9: And then the gar kicked and I'm kind of like
Speaker 9: waiting for the rope to go top. Well, he never
Speaker 9: grabbed it and gave it a jerk, so the fish
Speaker 9: just swam straight through it.
Speaker 10: It was.
Speaker 9: So then it's like and then we go to throw
Speaker 9: it all over again. This time he sinches up, kicks
Speaker 9: a little bit. We haul him in the boat. Got
Speaker 9: a couple of pictures and yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 9: it was just so laughable like that, you know, you're like,
Speaker 9: look at this thing, and and it was actually pretty
Speaker 9: darn docile in the in the boat.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm guessing he was fine when you turn
Speaker 1: him loose, they don't seem like you face him too bad.
Speaker 9: No, I gave him like the big shocking plunge, you know,
Speaker 9: and that thing just kicked like it was swimming all day. Yeah,
Speaker 9: but yeah, super super cool fish and ye had we
Speaker 9: were we were talking to uh about this study that
Speaker 9: came out just this year on evolution, right, and it
Speaker 9: was like, so a gar is a living fossil, as
Speaker 9: is like, and this is on fish as is like
Speaker 9: a seila cant as is uh. I guess you could
Speaker 9: say have Alina is too sand hill crane, but this
Speaker 9: study was on fish. So it was like tarping a
Speaker 9: couple other things to kind of see how they have changed.
Speaker 9: And they demonstrated that the long nose gar and the
Speaker 9: alligator gar have changed the least in and even so little.
Speaker 9: They're so genetically different or not different. Rather that even
Speaker 9: though the long nose gar came along like one hundred
Speaker 9: million years after the alligator gar, they can still have
Speaker 9: successful successful hybrid offspring. Really yeah, so it's like is
Speaker 9: it perfect evolution, right? It just got to a place
Speaker 9: of ultimate survivability that is just like no changes needed.
Speaker 1: M Yeah.
Speaker 9: The little windows update circle is like still spinning or
Speaker 9: not spinning.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that was that was
Speaker 9: super super cool.
Speaker 1: All right, man. Well, thanks guys, stingray wrapping her up
Speaker 1: best for last, Krin, share your sting rays story, Krin,
Speaker 1: she was looking for mister Wright.
Speaker 8: It's not really my stingray story. It was just that
Speaker 8: we were on a boat with two guests, Mark and Joe,
Speaker 8: and uh, Joe hooked onto something that you know, just
Speaker 8: gave him a It was a tussle and he ended
Speaker 8: up pulling in a really huge stingray. I don't in diameter.
Speaker 8: I don't know how big. Okay, Steve is whispering. It
Speaker 8: wasn't that big in the.
Speaker 1: Way of stingrays. It was a pretty normal southern stingray.
Speaker 8: I guess all day we had caught like a couple.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the other what the more common
Speaker 1: stingray is here?
Speaker 9: I don't know what this one is.
Speaker 1: Now, be easy to find out. He caught a He
Speaker 1: caught a very normal southern stingray.
Speaker 8: Okay, So then the one side caught were just tiny.
Speaker 1: There were different species.
Speaker 8: Oh, I see, Okay, but anyway, uh, I guess a
Speaker 8: lot of people don't know. You can eat him. And
Speaker 8: Steve has definitely cleaned his fair share, as you were
Speaker 8: telling me, And you call him a low yield, low
Speaker 8: yield critter. But I just really wanted to taste what
Speaker 8: they tasted like. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It didn't get mopped up as quick as all the
Speaker 1: other fish that get served here.
Speaker 8: Oh no, I mean we we yeah, we we ate that.
Speaker 8: So I guess you you cut him off. How would
Speaker 8: you describe it? It's like you cut into it's yeah,
Speaker 8: the side wings off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the wing, each of the wings has two flats
Speaker 1: on top of a cartilaginous collection of rays, I guess
Speaker 1: one would say.
Speaker 8: And then on the you had like kind of thinner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, low yield on top, low yield on bottom, better
Speaker 1: yield on top.
Speaker 8: There was a lot of meat that came out of
Speaker 8: that fish, like yeah, for four people didn't even finish it.
Speaker 9: And I will say the only reason it didn't get
Speaker 9: mopped up faster. I thought it was very good, but uh,
Speaker 9: there was a liberal because it would be the nice
Speaker 9: way of putting it food blackened, seasoning on the top.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I was struggling with. I quite
Speaker 1: liked it, but it was he had just Our chef
Speaker 1: has been phenomenal and very hard working and has done
Speaker 1: just a NonStop array of amazing food, but he got
Speaker 1: something got a little I think that he wasn't enthusiastic.
Speaker 1: He was he was very receptive to the Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like, sure, I'll do anything, but I think that
Speaker 1: he might have been like, I'm going to put a
Speaker 1: little extra. He was skeptical, and I think he might
Speaker 1: have thought one going to.
Speaker 9: He did tell a little extra season last night too,
Speaker 9: that that black seasoning that they had is not his,
Speaker 9: is not what he typically does because when that stuff
Speaker 9: like really chars, he thinks it gets even saltier. So
Speaker 9: you know, commony, classic chef's deal. Right, It's like, well,
Speaker 9: it's not what I usually am.
Speaker 1: But there are certain and this is one of there
Speaker 1: are certain things where the yield is so low I
Speaker 1: want to feeling bad about it. Like have you ever
Speaker 1: cleaned a shovel nose uh sturge shovel nose sturgeon. It's
Speaker 1: like you get this big old cool fish and you
Speaker 1: clean You're like, geez, man, I feel like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got like I'm here's like fifteen percent of the fish
Speaker 1: is in my hand.
Speaker 9: Yeah, a spoon bill or paddlefish. You know, like if
Speaker 9: you're getting rid of the red meat man, you really
Speaker 9: feel bad about and raised.
Speaker 1: Always you feel like you're done and it looks like
Speaker 1: there's still a ray lay in there. Never bothered me,
Speaker 1: but you're right bother me frog legs, Yeah, that hasn't
Speaker 1: bothered me. But yeah, yeah, frog is a low yield creature.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't bother me. But no, maybe it will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just good. It's just intestines.
Speaker 8: I know, are you guys going to fight over whether
Speaker 8: it tastes like scallop or not.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a bunch of research and I
Speaker 1: get a minute, and I'm gonna do a presentation.
Speaker 4: An explanation of where it maybe came from. The table
Speaker 4: they were sitting with.
Speaker 7: His grandfather had a special two that he had made
Speaker 7: twelve inches for real. I'm just trusting a nice gentleman
Speaker 7: that spent a week with us or three days with us,
Speaker 7: and it was sharpened on one end and he would
Speaker 7: punch the little scallop shapes out of the wings. But
Speaker 7: what I didn't know is that I would have thought
Speaker 7: they would have filayed it first and then done it,
Speaker 7: but they didn't. So maybe that's where that comes from,
Speaker 7: is because as a way to more easily process such
Speaker 7: a pain in the butt and able to process. They
Speaker 7: just punched little scallops out of it, and then they
Speaker 7: would just quickly cut cut their two pieces and then
Speaker 7: just cook them.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's where that came from.
Speaker 1: I know that little tool they're talking about because I
Speaker 1: had a biopsy taken with one of those, that little
Speaker 1: scallop one. But yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, could be, could be it's a
Speaker 1: yeah they call it, you know how everybody down here,
Speaker 1: like everybody in the whole world started some years ago
Speaker 1: referring to a fish with its skin on is on
Speaker 1: the half shell, which is coming from oyster, like the
Speaker 1: whole world adopted that. Maybe calling it a scallop was
Speaker 1: because you're just cutting a little circle out and it
Speaker 1: looks it.
Speaker 4: Has nothing to do with scallop.
Speaker 1: Like they're trying to sell me fake scallops.
Speaker 4: And they really weren't. They're just trying to eat raise.
Speaker 1: That could be. Thanks for listening, everybody, Thank you, Phil, Thanks.
Speaker 4: Bill, Bill, enjoy your afternoon in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I wish you around Boston. Phil rum Drink ever hardest
Speaker 1: working man in the hard working state