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Speaker 1: I T E dot com. Phil's already a little annoyed.

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody about what you're annoyed about. Phil.

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Speaker 2: Come on in, Phil, Come on, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: Phil's annoyed. Go ahead, Phil, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Nothing, you know, I just like to set a schedu

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Speaker 3: throughout the day. You know, I know, I understand you

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Speaker 3: have to prep for the show. But we just got

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Speaker 3: done recording Trivia, which was a lot of fun, and

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Speaker 3: we started next film. We started that right on time.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't want to repeat of a few days

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Speaker 3: ago when it took us like six hours to record.

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Speaker 1: You know why I wanted to talk about this film.

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Speaker 1: Why we're in Louisiana. Yeah, this is the most overworked.

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Speaker 1: This is how this is my lead in. It just

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Speaker 3: Oh so you're sympathizing with me, that's what you're getting

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Speaker 1: Here we are in Louisiana, and most of us are

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Speaker 4: What does that mean?

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Speaker 5: It's like not surprising that this is happening here for

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Speaker 5: phil Yeah, you know how your phone spies on you? Right, Okay,

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Speaker 4: That's proven that it doesn't. But go ahead, well I

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Speaker 1: It too with this because here we are in Louisiana

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Speaker 1: Wyoming is among the top ten of least working people.

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Speaker 1: Who is holding this country up? That's where my so

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Speaker 1: who's who's whose shoulders? Is the nation riding upon Louisiana?

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Speaker 1: Hardest working state in the Union, and I brought and

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Speaker 3: I'm currently in an honorary Louisiana employee right now, and

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Speaker 3: I've been working hard.

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Speaker 6: Yes, as measured by hours work. This is how we're

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Speaker 1: And uh, this has I think this has implications. For

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Speaker 3: I am the only person here that it has not

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Speaker 6: Yeah, But yeah, Phil and I and crinn Are were

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Speaker 1: What's that come out to time? Divided that by fifty two?

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Speaker 1: They're the ones that have the billboards put the moak

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Speaker 6: In Phoenix, it's a guy named Rafi put Raffi on calf.

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Speaker 5: There's a there's a sign outside of Little Rock, Arkansas

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Speaker 1: Okay. Looking at weekly hours worked for every state to

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Speaker 1: in working patterns. You want to know who else works hard?

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Speaker 1: Why would I get a solicitation to move to Wyoming

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Speaker 8: They got it backwards.

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Speaker 4: Your phone's not smart.

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Speaker 9: Steve, Hey, you are a hard working dude.

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Speaker 4: Lost.

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Speaker 9: You have an hourly assumption in your contract. That's how

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that in my contract.

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Speaker 9: You work well, well beyond the fifty hours a week

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Speaker 9: or whatever you are supposed to be working. I guarantee it.

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Speaker 9: Then none of that is trackable.

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Speaker 1: Steve's phone's tracking.

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Speaker 9: You apply this to anybody, Yeah, it's going to be true.

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Speaker 1: So like if someone's laying in bed thinking about something,

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Speaker 9: And when like Randall brought up agriculture, right, it's like.

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Speaker 1: Like have you did you go off to ranchers and

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Speaker 9: And I mean it's each way right, right, So this

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Speaker 6: It's capturing it's capturing a lot of energy work because

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Speaker 1: You know who's got it gravest? Surprised me. The gravest

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, so small.

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Speaker 5: Hey, okay, I've been trying to say this. What I

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Speaker 1: And I just feel that while I'm here fishing in

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Speaker 1: Well, the late Nor McDonald, late Nor McDonald had this

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Speaker 9: In the state of Wyoming. And I've unfortunately bitched a

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Speaker 1: Areas without you going with them. Yeah, why is that

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Speaker 9: and advocating for more rules and regulations.

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Speaker 9: I don't like the Wilderness Band either, But advocating to

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Speaker 9: Fish having dumb ass rules. F off cal stop being

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Speaker 7: He should get involved in the process and talk to

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it's game and Fish. It's not game

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Speaker 4: That's Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the reciprocity thing to get carried away.

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Speaker 5: Like, here's here's a different take on it. I think

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Speaker 5: I ought to receive incredible benefit as a hunter and

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Speaker 5: So so you know, if the people where I live

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, think of all the people that go

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Speaker 5: It's not like the people that are opposing uh, or

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Speaker 1: Under should I'm not looking at it like penalizing.

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Speaker 1: If we had a Yeah, they would love it. That

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Speaker 1: would be in the hand. But let me think of

441
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Speaker 1: a different example. Cal's example of the wilderness area. Think,

442
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Speaker 1: how could you have a state say if you're not

443
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Speaker 1: from here, you can't hunt our wilderness area of which

444
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Speaker 1: we have a ton, but our guys can freely go

445
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Speaker 1: to hunt your wilderness area.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now I see that. Well, but the but the

447
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Speaker 5: impetus of that would be redemption of the law, which

448
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Speaker 5: would be that would spur Wyhoming people to be like,

449
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Speaker 5: you know what, this is kind of an antiquated old law.

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Speaker 1: That's so, you know, let's change it. I mean that

451
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Speaker 1: would be the point of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, is that it would make people have a taste

453
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Speaker 5: of their own medicine.

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Speaker 1: Well, they'll point out the person the law dog that

455
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Speaker 1: did the analysis is from that state. It's from the

456
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Speaker 1: state of Wyoming. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying.

457
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Speaker 5: Say that again, he's from the ninth most hard working scene,

458
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Speaker 5: the ninth most hard You know what Brent does on

459
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Speaker 5: my pot on the render when when we're doing something

460
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Speaker 5: he doesn't like, he says.

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Speaker 1: Bull no, no, no, no, no, no. I think this is no.

462
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Speaker 1: I think Brent was thinking Arkansas.

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Speaker 10: No, Arkansas is implemented the same thing with out of

464
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Speaker 10: state duck hunters reciprocity. Well, they have limited them to

465
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Speaker 10: specific dates in time periods they can come for like

466
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Speaker 10: ten days.

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Speaker 9: Yes, South Dakota does that as well.

468
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Speaker 10: But they have to choose, and it's they're trying to

469
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Speaker 10: control the overcrowding on the public areas for waterfowl and

470
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Speaker 10: it's me they surely sure they are, but they're getting

471
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Speaker 10: a lot of pushback from the folks that historically have

472
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Speaker 10: come and hunted, you know, the whole season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should point out here that the rub is economic,

474
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Speaker 1: and it's economic in two ways. The rub is, so

475
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Speaker 1: why can't a state, Why doesn't a state just go

476
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Speaker 1: ahead and say it's in the interests of our state

477
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Speaker 1: residents that there are no non resident hunting and fishing opportunities.

478
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Speaker 1: So you'd be like, you can see that that's justifiable.

479
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: The reason that doesn't happen is economics on two fronts.

480
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: The states need to fund their fishing game agencies, and

481
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: the fishing game agencies are responsible for everything from like

482
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Speaker 1: access enhancement, disease research, enforcement of those residents and non

483
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: residents who are hunting and fishing. And I could go

484
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Speaker 1: on all day counting animals, biological assessments, a couple of

485
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Speaker 1: kinds of things. They have to pay for it. It's

486
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot more lucrative for them to sell non resident opportunities,

487
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: and it is resident opportunities. Like when you go and

488
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: you're fishing for twenty bucks and some other guys fishing

489
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: for two hundred bucks. That guy kicked in one hundred

490
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: and eighty more dollars than you did into the states. Thing.

491
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Speaker 1: So the states need to be able to bring in people.

492
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Speaker 1: I remember a few years ago Alaska flat out across

493
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Speaker 1: the board doubled non resident tags, just across the board double.

494
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Speaker 1: If it was two fifty oels five I could do

495
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: more math for you three fifty seven for financial. The

496
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Speaker 1: other economic prong to it is bars, hotels, gas stations,

497
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Speaker 1: fishing lodges. Right, Like, think of the economic collapse that

498
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: would occur in rural Alaska if you all of a

499
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Speaker 1: sudden said no more non resident fishing, no more non

500
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Speaker 1: resident hunting. Yeah, what is it? Were killing it? Were

501
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Speaker 1: killing industry.

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Speaker 10: It was historical. It's historically monetarily beneficial to the area

503
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 10: around the Stuttgart in that area where the prime all

504
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 10: of the the majority of the duck hunt is done,

505
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 10: is like a million dollars a day. Said, so sixty

506
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 10: million dollars of revenue over a duck season there and

507
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Speaker 10: then to start limiting the amount of people coming in

508
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Speaker 10: when they sell more non resident duck Hunt stamps to

509
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Speaker 10: non residents, and they do residents of Arkansas, and that

510
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 10: was that was the big calamity that a lot of

511
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 10: the non residents were the argument that they were bringing up.

512
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Speaker 10: And there's some validity to it, you know. I mean

513
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Speaker 10: as far as loss of revenue to them, we could just.

514
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Speaker 5: Like a PayPal account where they could just donate the money.

515
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 10: Astant if we're closed, I can't come down anymore.

516
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: Seems that I can't come down anymore. I'm just going

517
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: to send all the money.

518
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: Because we're arm me out of life and duck habitat,

519
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 5: We're just gonna go ahead and give you the sixty mil.

520
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: One of the one of the biggest resident non resident rubs.

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Speaker 1: That just that just gets me is uh and I

522
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: understand it, but uh. In Southeast Alaska, a resident is

523
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: allowed one in our zone. It's many zones, but in

524
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Speaker 1: our management zone, a resident angler is allowed one linkt

525
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Speaker 1: a day any size.

526
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Speaker 5: I knew the link cod was gonna come out this

527
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 5: because it's a personal passion of mine.

528
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Speaker 1: A non resident angler is allowed one a year. Wow,

529
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Speaker 1: And it's a slot. And if the slots so narrow,

530
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: I've taken to calling it a crack. You know, slot limits.

531
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Speaker 1: It's a crack limit thirty to thirty five a five

532
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Speaker 1: inch if you try hitting that window, I mean it

533
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: can be done. It ain't easy, they really ham it's fun.

534
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: But up there at the last game of fish meetings

535
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 5: behind closed doors, they call it the step now Room.

536
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: And in meanwhile, my brother and his little boy and

537
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: they can all just get in a boat and just

538
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: be like bing bing bing load the boat boys looks

539
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: good to me, throwing a cool.

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00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 10: Well.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

542
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Speaker 9: The shrimp regulation up there too, right, is like that's

543
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 9: a pretty big most.

544
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: Of crab shrimp's the same. Well, no, no, no, you're right, Yeah,

545
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: shrimp is way bad. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's like astronomical, right,

546
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: three non resident three courts of This is one of

547
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: the more confusing pieces of regulation. Three courts of shrimp

548
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: headed or not. So you can choose to have your

549
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: limit be three courts of head on shrimp, or you

550
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: can choose to have your limit be three quarts of tails.

551
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: Some people guess how most people some people like to

552
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: eat shrimp pads.

553
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I know, but guess how most people measure them, especially

554
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: one on a spot it's like three quarters head. Uh,

555
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: that's just an interesting little wrinkle. Not resident, no limit right,

556
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: unlimited dungeon has crab non resident? What's wrong?

557
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 7: Randall and I have a little inside joke going. It's

558
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 7: not good for air, it's about seafood.

559
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, something tells me it's not about seafood.

560
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: Okay, moving on, we can share with you after the

561
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: crab hits the button.

562
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to know ever. Crab non resident, crab

563
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: three dungeis resident, crab twenty dungeons resident, you can handline

564
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: an unlimited number of quillback rockfish resident can't touch one,

565
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: or non resident can't even look at them?

566
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 9: Did did you look at that fish?

567
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Son?

568
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, guys, you know what I think?

569
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Speaker 1: I remember when uh, I think it was George W.

570
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: Bush.

571
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 5: He stated like how he didn't like broccoli, and one

572
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 5: of the comedians said he really appreciated the passion of it,

573
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 5: Like the passion of his is you know this doctrine.

574
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: I appreciate Alaska's the passion behind their doctrine.

575
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.

576
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: It's like we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna award the residence.

577
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: We will believe we will happily take your money and

578
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: then you will suffer because fish.

579
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: Uh what else?

580
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: So on talking about on a recent it krint, will

581
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: the trivia show come out before this? Okay, on a

582
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: recent if you've listened to the trivia show, you heard

583
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: me make a is it a quip when you kind

584
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: of bitch for a minute, equip like a bitchy little statement. No, no, no, no,

585
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: I didn't rant equipped equipped about former head of US

586
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Service Dan Ash writing a bunch of

587
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: or you know, writing op eds and whatnot coming out

588
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: in support of Proposition one twenty seven in Colorado, which

589
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: would ban any kind of hunting or trapping for mountain lions, bobcats,

590
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: and oddly links, even though links enjoy and danger Species

591
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Act protections in Colorado, dan Ash making a sort of salad,

592
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: a sort of mixed salad of criticisms of lion hunting,

593
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: one saying it disrupts their family dynamics. Okay, like the

594
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: Ash family dynamics. No that by hunting mountain lions you

595
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: disrupt their family structures. Okay, we'll get to that, because

596
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: I could think of that being applicable to any number

597
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: of pursuits, including when you catch a bluegill off of

598
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: its bed, I feel like you've sort of stirred up

599
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: its family dynamic, him saying it's unethical and doesn't you know,

600
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: him saying it's unethical and doesn't follow the principles of

601
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: fair chase he was raised with him saying that that

602
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: lions are somehow going to help us in the battle

603
00:35:53,480 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: with chronic wasting disease ODD and that there's zero evidence

604
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: that that's true, and holding that in Colorado. Colorado is

605
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: where CWD was first identified in the late seventies and

606
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: has had a sizable, stable population of mountain lions since then.

607
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: So the most obvious case in point would be we

608
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: have a lot of lions in Colorado and we don't

609
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: have CWD. But it's like, we have a lot of

610
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: lions in Colorado and we're the first state to have CWD,

611
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: but if we stop hunting them, it'll somehow help HM

612
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: dan Ash saying, have I covered all of his little points? Well,

613
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned that he was a peasant hunter. Oh and

614
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: the reason everybody's getting all that, the reason they's so

615
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: the reason the animal rights community is so excited about

616
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: they now love dan Ash you know, the animal rights

617
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: community would have probably not liked dan Ash historically because

618
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: he identified as a hunter. But now he's like everybody's favorite,

619
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: like with the left, like if if someone walks away,

620
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: when someone would walk away from the Trump administration, so

621
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: you could be like in the Trump administration and the

622
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: media hates you, despises you. Then you walk away from

623
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and criticize the Trump administration, and that

624
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: night you're on Colbert like they adore you now because

625
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: you've ident You've like joined, You haven't fundamentally changed. You

626
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: just like start arguing the thing that they wanted to argue.

627
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: So now the animal rights community is.

628
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Speaker 9: Like, oh, dan Ash is so wonderful.

629
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: He's a hunter. He and he doesn't like hunting lines.

630
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: His fair chase thing is is absurd. I don't really

631
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: know he knows. I don't really know. But I guarantee

632
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: that that guy in the circles, that guy run and

633
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: has done penn raised pheasant hunting. I guarantee it. I

634
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: guarantee it that he has hunted pen birds. I guarantee

635
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: he's hunted. He's done some big game hunting. I bet

636
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: you anything he has done some big game hunting around cropfields.

637
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: In terms of it being not fair chase, I would

638
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: have to be. He must be speaking to some aspect

639
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: of its level of difficulty. Okay, my ten year olds

640
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: can kill deer with rifles. If I told my ten

641
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: year old to right now go catch a mountain lion

642
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: with dogs and get it, they would probably come back

643
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: to me in twenty years and say that they're done.

644
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: They got it. It would be I wouldn't hear for

645
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: them for twenty years. If I said to them, you

646
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: can't come home until you kill a deer, they would

647
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: be back later that day. It's like, I don't understand

648
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: what the guy is talking about in his argument that

649
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: like family dynastic, that it disrupts family dynasts. Like, dude,

650
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: what is happening when you hunt waterfowl? When you hunt

651
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Canada geese? Canada eese? You have Canada geese. They might

652
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: not be monogamous, but they pair together and nest together.

653
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: She's out doing it with other dudes. He's out doing

654
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: it with other girls, but they're going to share the

655
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: nest nesting responsibilities. When you kill a goose, what do

656
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: you think has happened anything? If you kill a white

657
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: tailed deer past the first week in November, You've disrupted

658
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: its family dynamics because it was probably pregnant. If you've

659
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: killed a female deer after the first week of November,

660
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: you just go aborted its fetus, You've disrupted its family dynamics.

661
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: What is he even talking about?

662
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 9: What does he think of the lion family dynamics? When

663
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 9: a male comes across a female with kittens, and then

664
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 9: the male attacks and eats the kittens and then stays

665
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 9: on the female until she comes in to estrus again,

666
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 9: which they will as soon as they aren't nursing anymore,

667
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 9: and then rapes the female. Does that fall into like

668
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 9: proper reliance.

669
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Analytical buzzwords here? Boy?

670
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I know, but but here's the guy.

671
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: It's just it's frustrating to me because here's a person

672
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: that's dedicated their career and I mean, he's in the

673
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: zoo business now, he runs like a zoom aquarium group

674
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: of zoos and aquariums. Sure, I mean, here's an individual

675
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: that's served in the very Here's an individual that's served

676
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: in it like one of the highest level wildlife conservation things,

677
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: and devoted his career to the wildlife conservation. I just

678
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: cannot picture how I just cannot picture like the level

679
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: of betrayal that that represents, and also the very mixed

680
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: messaging that it represents, where you're by by saying the

681
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: things he's saying, he's attacking all forms of hunting that

682
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: he's declaring it. He's declaring something not hard enough, which

683
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: he's completely wrong about and has no idea that the

684
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: level of difficulty that goes into training dogs.

685
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 4: Never been on a lion hunt.

686
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: No problem, no idea about the level difficulty. So he's like,

687
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: if it's not hard enough, you shouldn't be able to

688
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: do it. It's like, Dan, buddy, I want you to

689
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: review some of your pheasant hunts and ask yourself, was

690
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: it really Was it always really that hard? So that's

691
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: an attack on it all together. The family dynamic thing

692
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: is an attack on it all together. It's just I

693
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: don't understand how someone could come out of this career

694
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: and then make a big show and fall into the

695
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: lap of of this. It's it's very frustrating, But he's

696
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: not trying to convince you.

697
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: They say everybody can be bought, you know, so.

698
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he was bought. You don't think he

699
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: someone gave him money to say that.

700
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 7: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities.

701
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 10: But he don't have to convince us sitting here. He's

702
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 10: not trying to convince you of that. No, I'm not

703
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 10: saying who he's trying to convince. I just don't understand

704
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 10: how someone could I agree, how someone could.

705
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: Understand have that shallow of how someone could be in

706
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: the position, how they could be in the position they've

707
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: been and represent the individuals they've represented, and then come

708
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: and arrive at this like this, this like sort of

709
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: woven fabric of complaints about something that you could apply

710
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: to virtually most pursuits that he engages in. I don't

711
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: get it.

712
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 10: Well, it also shows that you don't have to be

713
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 10: an expert to be appointed to a high position. That

714
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 10: might be it might be it money money.

715
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 7: Well, in all fairness, you know, I think there's no

716
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 7: chance that that high dollar campaign that has Bookoo dollars billion.

717
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, they didn't. They didn't trying to find they didn't

718
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 9: pay down money making a big donation to the Zoo

719
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 9: and Aquarium Fund.

720
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: You think so it's possible, It's possible. Only two people

721
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: know neither of them's gonna say it. I'm just saying

722
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: if I had to take a while.

723
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 9: Stan and Carol Baskin.

724
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: If I had if I had to take a wild

725
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: stab and I had to be like, do I deep down?

726
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Do I deep deep down? I think they bought that

727
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: endorsement from him? Do I think the animal rights movement

728
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: bought his endorsement? And I had like get it right

729
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: or else I had to die. I would say no.

730
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not not the path you'd take.

731
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

732
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 5: Hey, this this came out just I think in the

733
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: last two days. But the the Harris.

734
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: Waltz campaign had a big hunter pow Wow. Yeah, I

735
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: got invited to go pheasant hunting over there? Did you really? Okay? Now,

736
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: do you know much about it? I? No, I didn't

737
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: go pan raised pheasant Minnesota.

738
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Speaker 9: I don't know if they're seasons open yet.

739
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: No, he's got his he's doing a little hunting thing. Yeah,

740
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Speaker 1: I just I don't know.

741
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

742
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 7: If I've had an article, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

743
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Did you want to go that?

744
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: Mark Kanyon did? He went, so he wanted to.

745
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: He didn't get invited.

746
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 7: Oh he did, and Mark got inbouted and they didn't

747
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 7: invite me and Brent.

748
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: So when I said no, Mark got invited and Mark

749
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: wanted to go but didn't. Well talked Hi about it?

750
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Speaker 1: Oh are they hunting pen raised birds? Is? Dan Ash?

751
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Can go criticize him? Dan ashkan be there be like

752
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: that didn't look like that heart of a shot? Yeah?

753
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh you know? You know what else dan Ash doesn't like.

754
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't like this. He doesn't like that a lot

755
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: of the lion hunting is done with outfitters, So apparently

756
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: outfitting is bad if applied to lion hunting. Dan have

757
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: you ever been on an outfitted trip fishing? Was it

758
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: really that hard to catch that fish with that guy?

759
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: Come on? Come on, I would have been impressed.

760
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: If the if that campaign would have took those guys

761
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 5: on like a like a bear hunt with dogs or something.

762
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: Now, that would have been impressive, classical. I would have

763
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: gone that.

764
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 5: I would have been like, I'll go, this is walking

765
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 5: in and being like man that bear he was up

766
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 5: in that tree.

767
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: He'd tell her he'd later tell you a hunt and lie.

768
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like he was like I was at

769
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 9: the tree. The shotgun, right, is like the most neutral

770
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 9: of hunting firearms when it comes to campaign season red,

771
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 9: doesn't that feel right? Like if you see a candidate

772
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 9: or somebody, Yeah, it's gonna be with the shotgun on

773
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 9: a rifle.

774
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: I think that it would be a good article. I

775
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: don't know why we haven't done this at our website.

776
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: We should hear him do this because it would be

777
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: a good article to go through time and and talk

778
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: about the way candidates have historically tried to establish their

779
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing.

780
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: That that's you're talking about the first ten pages of

781
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: my dissertation.

782
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 10: Every governor in the state of Arkansas that I can

783
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 10: remember over the last in my lifetime has had a

784
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 10: duck hunting photo.

785
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, both both parties. That's part of the Randall.

786
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Do you say, can you help me with this? Do

787
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: you say, like, do you go high flute and say

788
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: bona fides or do you say you're bona fides? I

789
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: can bonafides? Okay, Yeah, they try to establish their hunting

790
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: and fishing bonafides. I remember some years ago Hillary Clinton

791
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: had to really stretch and she established he had a

792
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: uncle who'd like to hunt. And John Carrey, who here's

793
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: like a Vietnam veteran, you know, he was like in

794
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: the a Navy seal in Vietnam, and John Carrey did

795
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: a water fowl hunt during his presidential bid and took

796
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: some advice from his advisors, which was this very poor

797
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: advice to not carry the shotgun. Yeah, so to hunt

798
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: geese with it, I believe they're goosehan to hunt with it,

799
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: but not carry it. So then the images that come

800
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: out when they're near the press, because the press wasn't

801
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: invited to the hunt. So they're coming back from the

802
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: hunt and someone says, don't carry the gun. So he

803
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: then here he is, he's walking along and he's got

804
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: like a gun bearer, and so it backfired.

805
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: We've all been there that backfired.

806
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: And then Mitt Romney had got humiliated. Yeah. Mitt Romney said, oh,

807
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm a hunter, but he's from Utah, so pilot, No,

808
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: he was a swift.

809
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 9: Swift boat, swift boat, very brownwater Navy there.

810
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitt Romney has a humiliating thing where he So

811
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: his family had long had a political history in Michigan.

812
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: But Mitt Romney was from Utah himself. Is Mitt Romney's

813
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: father was the governor of Michigan. Mitt Romney claimed, like, oh,

814
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm a hunter, I'm a hunter, and someone digs through

815
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: the state records. If I remember this cracked.

816
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: They went to every state.

817
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: He never bought a hunting license. Yeah, so then someone

818
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: presents them in this kind of wallsyan scenario. He's presented with, well,

819
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: if you did hunt, you didn't have a license, And

820
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: then he said, well I did, but it was varmints.

821
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Speaker 6: He said varments if you don't need arms. It was

822
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 6: varments if you will, and things like that of that nature.

823
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Very embarrassing.

824
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then I think that's same. Yeah,

825
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 6: it was Ryan was his running mate, right, and then.

826
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: He's a hardcore oh yeah.

827
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 6: But then he posed He posed for like Men's Fitness magazine,

828
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 6: like lifting, because he did a bunch of CrossFit and

829
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 6: he posed for Men's Fitness magazine doing bicep curls in

830
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 6: his office and one of them is him and workout

831
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 6: gear pulling his bow back like aiming at the camera.

832
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: So Oul Ryan.

833
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, his his secret service code name during the campaign

834
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 6: was Bowhunter.

835
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Not dear slayer.

836
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 7: I just want to put it out there to any

837
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 7: politicians listening. You don't have to be a hunter for

838
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 7: me to be okay with you and vote for you.

839
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you. It's sweet.

840
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 4: You can just be yourself do things.

841
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: I do not feel that. Uh yeah, neither Trump nor

842
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Harris has ever sought that I'm aware of, has ever

843
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: sought to establish their hunting and fishing bona fides. But

844
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris Krim's pulling up an article where she's talking

845
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: about her glock. That's very surprising. Yeah, I heard, I

846
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: heard that.

847
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, they say the there's equip from a New York

848
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 6: Times article. Equip I think of that two thousand and

849
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 6: four election season of columnists for the New York Times

850
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 6: wrote that the worst time to be a bird in

851
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 6: America's election season.

852
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: Ah, that is a quip.

853
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: That's a quip, Randald. You care to tell us about

854
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: catching a thirty four inch red fish thirty five?

855
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 6: Don't? I don't have any good thirty four in shredfish stories.

856
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 6: I got a thirty five in shredfish story.

857
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about it. What's exceptional? What stands out

858
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: in your mind as being exceptional about that? I find

859
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: that to be.

860
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: Now, Randall, I was on the boat with you, okay,

861
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 4: so just yeah.

862
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 6: Sure, honestly, there's nothing's going to be The truth will

863
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 6: not be bent here. This is going to be okay

864
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 6: telling all right, I mean, we've had a great week

865
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 6: and we the first day we fished, I was fishing

866
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 6: with two guests. In the first day we fished with

867
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Speaker 6: Mark Kenyon, we caught a pile of redfish, but we

868
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: didn't really get any big ones. I don't think we

869
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 6: had to release any. But we were catching them consistently

870
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 6: all day. And then the next morning we went out

871
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 6: with a different guide and he took us to a

872
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 6: spot where we were sort of nosed up to a

873
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 6: little gap in the in the grass in the marsh,

874
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 6: and so we were fishing.

875
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: You're better explain the whole damn deal. Now have we

876
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: even told people what we're doing. This is the Meat

877
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: Eater Experiences.

878
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're down here media.

879
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 6: So we so he basically we went mean he's fishing.

880
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so we're fishing.

881
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: So we're fishing, walking all the way back be like

882
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, when the Earth's crossed first solidified, Sure, at

883
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: some point there was life, at some point there was

884
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: land and water. Sometime later we hosted media experience.

885
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 6: So we I mean, so I've just fished three days.

886
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 6: The first day we you know, we're dividing up into

887
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 6: boat groups, and then there's kind of crew members rotating

888
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 6: through the boat groups.

889
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: And so the first day went out with one guide.

890
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: And we were pretty much everybody's popping shrimp under a float,

891
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 6: live shrimp. And we fished, I mean, we fished all

892
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 6: different types of scenarios. Right like yesterday, we were out

893
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 6: next to an oil rig, casting up against sort of

894
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 6: a band of rock.

895
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: Dude. That was fun. That was cool.

896
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: And there's a big, you know, flare behind us just

897
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: on the on the rig. I mean it was. It

898
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: was a very Gulf coast.

899
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: Those fish were so stacked yea, and you just dropped.

900
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 6: Never seen anything like that, well except for the second

901
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 6: place we went where you dropped it, you dropped. If

902
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 6: you dropped it within six inches of the grass, the

903
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 6: bobber would go straight under before before the barber could

904
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 6: even stand explain the rig yet. I mean, it's a

905
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 6: it's a it's a foam float of popping cork. And

906
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 6: you got I don't know, eighteen inch leader down to.

907
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: Call them strike indicators. It's not it's not within the

908
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: bobber family.

909
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: It's within the barber family. And it's a styrofoam.

910
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: It's a styrofoam float about four inches tall, and it's

911
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 6: got a cup.

912
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: The top of it is cup.

913
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 6: The side going up the line to the rod tip

914
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 6: has a cup on it.

915
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: Below that there's an eighteen inch lead.

916
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: Uh.

917
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 6: And some guys will run a jighead at the bottom.

918
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: Some guys will run a weight sitting on a hook.

919
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: The jighead is lazy. You I have come to de turn.

920
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, we missed a lot of fish on jigheads. This

921
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 6: big red I caught on a jighead. So you cast

922
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 6: out against the grass.

923
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 7: I had to stop you because an important part of

924
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 7: the whole system of the popping cork is the fact

925
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 7: that the cork slides on a section of basically between

926
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 7: two swivels that is longer than the cork, so it

927
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 7: can move back and forth, and it has little beads

928
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 7: that are set on the line above and below the cork.

929
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 7: So when the cork or the flow is on top

930
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 7: of the water, it's one end of that piece of slack,

931
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 7: and then below that you have what man will describe

932
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 7: the leader down to your bait. So when you pull,

933
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 7: the line actually goes through the cork and then it

934
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 7: hits the next beads and it causes the sound of

935
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 7: this crack and this pop, and that sound is meant

936
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 7: to imitate. Some people say that imitates shrimp, shrimp swimming

937
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 7: and cracking as they swim. Some people say just imitates

938
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 7: fish feeding. But it's a it's a big time attracting.

939
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, those reds will come up and try to smoke

940
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: the bobbers.

941
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 6: And when when the bobber is sitting static, it's it's

942
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 6: oriented vertically in the water like perpendicular. It's personally vertical anyway,

943
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 6: as when you pop it, it tips forward towards you

944
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 6: and that cup pops on the surface and it makes

945
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 6: a big.

946
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: Splash like a hula popper.

947
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: There you go precisely.

948
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: Okay, you're get You're getting there now.

949
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: So should we go to the fish a fish pole, Yes, spinning.

950
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 9: Rod which is attached to Randall, doctor Randall.

951
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: Most of the time.

952
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: Yes, you cast it out, You cast it out, he says,

953
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 6: the doctor is in and they uh so, anyway, there

954
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 6: we were.

955
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful morning, honest is. On the boat.

956
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 6: We had two of our guests there and we were

957
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 6: with the guy Bone and we started catching some bigger reds.

958
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 6: Janni's caught two. I mean this one spot there are

959
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 6: basically two big points of grass coming together, and so

960
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 6: the boat was pointing towards this gap in the grass

961
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: and we're catching We're casting up towards points on either

962
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 6: side of the boat, right, So if you can imagine

963
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: like an hour glass, we're kind of sitting right in

964
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 6: the neck of the hourglass, if and and we're casting

965
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 6: up on these points. We're catching some bigger fish. And

966
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 6: then I hook into one and it goes through the

967
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 6: neck where the two grassy points come together, and just

968
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 6: goes straight. I mean, it's just running like it's like

969
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 6: it's trying to get out, trying to run down to Mexico,

970
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: and it it takes it. It strips out one hundred

971
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 6: yards of line pretty quickly.

972
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: And the drag was not yea, oh it was out.

973
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: It was I haven't.

974
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 6: Really had a fish that far out that then made

975
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 6: it back to the boat, especially when they're up on

976
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 6: the surface like that, because there's just so much line,

977
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 6: it's so easy for it to come slack. And this

978
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 6: thing just tore out and then went around the corner.

979
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 6: So all of a sudden, my line is running through

980
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 6: the grass as if I've hooked something up on shore

981
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to point and I'm trying to pull

982
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 6: it out of the grass.

983
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 9: Randall says, the doctor is on.

984
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 6: I said, I said, hang on, boys, we might have

985
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 6: to chase this one down.

986
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: We're going to need a bigger boat.

987
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: I actually I.

988
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 6: Was wondering if the guide, because that's what when like,

989
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 6: when we hook a big king in the current. I mean,

990
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 6: oftentimes you'll unclip your anchor and go follow that fish

991
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 6: and chase it down to try to pick up line

992
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 6: on it. I almost wondered if we were going to

993
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 6: do that because he got so far out. I was like,

994
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 6: there's no way this fish.

995
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: Is going to stay on.

996
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 6: Sure enough. Just a lot of hard work, you know,

997
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 6: pumping in, real hard work, and just a character.

998
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: And I think that fish determined.

999
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: I think I think he's in the hardest state, you know.

1000
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 6: I think after a few minutes that fish realized what

1001
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 6: he had on the other end of the line there,

1002
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 6: and he turned around.

1003
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: Uh, we fought him up.

1004
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: He knew it was like, it's inevitable. Yeah, I'm as

1005
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: good as beat.

1006
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 6: Said, my god, just look at that red haired man.

1007
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 6: He said, this works on everybody else, but this guy.

1008
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 6: Something's different about him. I want to get a look

1009
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 6: at this fella. So then he came to the boat

1010
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 6: and he went around the bow the boat a couple

1011
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 6: of times, went under the boat, and uh yeah, we

1012
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 6: got him in the net. And it was a big

1013
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 6: thirty five pounds mail or sorry, thirty five inch male.

1014
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: I know it's probably twenty.

1015
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't a male.

1016
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 4: How did you know it was a male?

1017
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't a male, It wasn't it's a female.

1018
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 4: How do you know the female?

1019
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Because males don't get that big squirted, but they call

1020
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: him bull bull red, But it's females.

1021
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: It squirted the white milt milt.

1022
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 6: I have a I have a photo with about a

1023
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 6: I think those are all females.

1024
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: I have a photo. Could be way wrong.

1025
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 6: I have a photo of it squired about twenty four

1026
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 6: twenty four inch string of milt down the front of

1027
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 6: my body and onto the boat.

1028
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: Wow. Uh man, now I gotta do a bunch of

1029
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: internet work.

1030
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 9: Said yeah, suction yep.

1031
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: I sat down to Steve there.

1032
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: My understanding is those are all females. I'm pretty sure

1033
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: that's a typeworm. There's no internet, so damn it. Wow,

1034
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: come on.

1035
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah that that screams male to me.

1036
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Man, dude, I think that. I think it's a parent.

1037
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: You used the word paradox earlier. I got it. I

1038
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's like a paradox calling

1039
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: them bulls. I think the bull is not true. The

1040
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: bull is not referencing its maleness. Sure, it's it's referencing

1041
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: its size and strength. And my understanding is those are

1042
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: all females. Those are all breeding age females. Yeah, who

1043
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: has enough connection everybody else? We have the Leon Muss

1044
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: system running in here and it's just not working well.

1045
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 7: Show surprise because I know his system at our house

1046
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 7: works great.

1047
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: Spaceship Mars and all that come on.

1048
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, we had.

1049
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: Uh leah, I don't know. My favorite thing of the world.

1050
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: I read that. I tell you the story already.

1051
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 4: Talked on is gonna talk.

1052
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: This is another.

1053
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: Did you find it?

1054
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 8: This is from Louisiana Sportsman dot com.

1055
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not buying it, tolf of all.

1056
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 8: Bull reds are in actuality females? Well, so then what's

1057
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 8: the definition?

1058
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 9: And a half of the backhand male.

1059
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: The inside? So I know, But I had a guy

1060
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: tell me the man genuine louis hard work in Louisiana

1061
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: and told me that once they that the males can't

1062
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: even get that size.

1063
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 6: Male redfish typically average under thirty six inches and away

1064
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 6: twenty two pound, while females averaged thirty six inches and

1065
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 6: twenty two pounds at age fifteen, So they females are

1066
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 6: generally larger. Male redfish can get big, but females are

1067
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 6: generally larger.

1068
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 9: That's what I was wrong, but right, So he got

1069
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 9: a real unicorn.

1070
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that makes it even more impressive.

1071
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: I does you're judging by it's ejaculate?

1072
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, okay, yeah, which which the guide a lot

1073
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 6: of big words today, which the.

1074
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: Guide, uh, don't google any of them. Did?

1075
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 6: He confirmed our impression that that was indeed milt.

1076
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was wrong.

1077
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 5: That's fine, that would be the equivalent when when but

1078
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 5: I was, I was miss So there I was misleft.

1079
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: So there we.

1080
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 6: Were, and I had this big red fish in the boat,

1081
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 6: a large male, and we uh obviously well over the slot.

1082
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 6: So we released it and I ate a sandwich and

1083
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 6: I savored that moment for a little bit, and then

1084
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 6: we caught.

1085
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: Some more fish.

1086
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 6: The sandwich of the fish sandwich roast beef, not a

1087
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 6: fish sandwich, not a fish sandwich.

1088
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: The two were unrelated.

1089
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing.

1090
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then we caught a couple of big bull

1091
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 6: reads yesterday, females doubled those. I felt I felt like

1092
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 6: there was there was an absence. There was an absence

1093
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 6: of ejaculate yesterday.

1094
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, when you get a new piece of information,

1095
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: you get a new piece of information and it hasn't

1096
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: really become woven into your personal fabric yet, but you

1097
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: might start telling everybody about it. Are you wrong or

1098
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: did you get mislet? I mean I heard the same

1099
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: mm hmm.

1100
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you need to see the photo again?

1101
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 1: It hasn't I haven't like made it part of me yet. Yeah.

1102
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: No, I've been in I've been in that. I've been

1103
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:46,959
Speaker 2: in your shoes.

1104
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,919
Speaker 1: A time. Uh, Cal, We're gonna we're gonna talk about

1105
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: Cal's alligator guar, but first I need to share it. WHOA.

1106
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: I've often said I got a lot of favorite quotes.

1107
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: My actual favorite quote vote I can't share on the podcast.

1108
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: My second favorite quote is skepticism, which I did not

1109
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: apply when I was told the falsehood. My favorite quote

1110
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: has always been skepticism is the chastity of the intellect.

1111
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,959
Speaker 1: Now here. Someone wrote in, was it Dirk, Yeah, Dirk,

1112
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: who is in trouble right now about his CWD reporting.

1113
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: Pat wrote in, here's a quote Carl Sagan. At the

1114
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: heart of science is an essential balance between two seemingly

1115
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: contradictory attitudes, an openness to new ideas and the most ruthless,

1116
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new. This is

1117
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: how deep truths are winnowed for deep nonsense. I don't

1118
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: get that tattooed on me. That's a good one Chinese lettering, Carl.

1119
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, and certainly you'll verify that that's actually what it says.

1120
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: I was out with that guy when I turned on Carl. Yeah.

1121
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 10: Turn turned on PBS one time and Nova was fixing

1122
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 10: to come on, and the first statement of his show

1123
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 10: was our cousins the trees.

1124
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm not kidding to a tree. Oh, he's

1125
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: going a little deeper, and you he was Cosmos. Yeah,

1126
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: he was going.

1127
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 5: I think you fell into a trap that a lot

1128
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 5: of people fall in, probably like eighty percent of people,

1129
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 5: is that you're out with a Louisianna fishing guy that

1130
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: catches red fish every day of his life.

1131
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: You assume that he really is an expert.

1132
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 4: I know.

1133
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 5: I mean, we all know that sometimes the people that

1134
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 5: are closest to a resource, that have grown up with it,

1135
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 5: come with all kind of preconceived biases, stuff they've been

1136
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 5: told their whole lot. And so you know, sometimes the

1137
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 5: guys that you think should know are too and they're

1138
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 5: not out nothing against Lousianna red fishing guys.

1139
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was raised by a squirrel hunter to

1140
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: be a squirrel hunter, and I was raised to know

1141
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: that this pine squirrels bit the testicles from other from

1142
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: fox squirrels, and I knew that, like like I knew

1143
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: my own name. And then you talk to a squirrel

1144
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: researcher and he says, I, I don't know what you're

1145
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: talking about. And then he gets back to you a

1146
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later and says, I've really looked, and

1147
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's true. The house of cards

1148
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: comes crumbling down.

1149
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've maybe not where you're from.

1150
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: I've no doubt spread that around. You know, calb did

1151
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: one of my life's goals. But he did it on accident,

1152
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: so does that counts. He's got the photo. It's pretty cool,

1153
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: we know he did it. On accident though I did.

1154
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: It's like there will always be an asterisk next to

1155
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: cals right at it. No, it wasn't an egg. Okay,

1156
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: No I did not.

1157
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, we see a picture we were so it got

1158
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 9: a big, huge alligator guard, says a small person and

1159
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 9: we it was the first spot that we hit in

1160
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 9: the morning and being dadded by doctor Randall, we.

1161
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: Just want to hear the don't want story.

1162
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 6: You might need to trim down that side of the

1163
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 6: mustache to accommodate the anyway the travel podcast.

1164
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, first first spot in the morning. I have like

1165
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 9: a hang up with live bait when I'm just like

1166
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 9: donating bait right like there's something about uh, just waist

1167
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 9: or something.

1168
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: Like using dozens of shrimp per hour.

1169
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I'm like this, this is not sustainable. I

1170
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 9: don't like it. What else you got type of thing?

1171
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 9: So we had one rod rigged up with a little

1172
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 9: paddle tale like exactly like you'd use for walleye and

1173
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 9: probably like a quarter around's jighead. And I said said

1174
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 9: to the guide, I was like, hey, can I throw

1175
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 9: that thing for a while? And He's like, yeah, you

1176
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 9: can see if you can get something on that. So

1177
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 9: I put one, rode away, picked up that thing, cast once,

1178
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 9: worked the bottom, cast again, work the bottom. There's kind

1179
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 9: of bait popping on the surface a little bit, so

1180
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 9: I went for a faster retrieve on you know, a

1181
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 9: little bit like mid column, and sure enough, like get whacked,

1182
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 9: like oh, and it just starts dragging, like pulling drag,

1183
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 9: And I'm like, oh, this has to be a big

1184
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 9: black drum because it's not like going crazy. It's just

1185
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 9: like pulling like a truck, you know, and uh, not

1186
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 9: a heavy duty rod reel set up by any means.

1187
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 9: And it's like really going and kind of have to

1188
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 9: work around the engine and then back over the other

1189
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 9: side of the boat. And finally it's like I'm gaining

1190
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,959
Speaker 9: ground on it, and I'm not. I'm horsing it pretty good.

1191
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 4: How's the guide treating this scenario?

1192
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: Not with too much attention.

1193
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 9: He's like, oh, yeah, let's see what you got there.

1194
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 9: And somebody did say gar because there were gar rolling

1195
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 9: on the surface, but I immediately was like, no, if I

1196
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 9: would have hooked a gar unless I foul hooked it,

1197
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 9: which is hard to do because they're so hard, so

1198
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 9: armor plated. I'm like, this thing would have popped off,

1199
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 9: broke the line a long time ago. But then probably

1200
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 9: less than a minute after that comment, fish comes up

1201
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 9: to the surface and here's this, you know, giant alligator

1202
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 9: gar And then.

1203
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: How long do you think it was? Over five foot?

1204
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 9: Probably right at five foot right in there in October. Yeah,

1205
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 9: that was this dude I fished with yesterday who's great,

1206
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 9: like you know, grew up out here.

1207
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: Uh used to be commercial fisherman, super knowledgeable. He was

1208
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 1: complaining to me, so here you got all these redfish, trout,

1209
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: sheep said, offshore fish everything. He's complaining to me that

1210
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: he had just set a jug for alligator gar and

1211
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: his jug was gone, and I said, well what, And

1212
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's for whatever. I don't know why he's

1213
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: an alligator gar. So I'm like, what did you need

1214
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: an alligator gar for? Eat him? That's awesome, But then he

1215
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: tells me he don't, and he's picky because he don't

1216
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: eat speckled trout, which a lot of people come here.

1217
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: He's fishing all day for all these famous eating fish,

1218
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: and then he's after work trying to go get an

1219
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: alligator guar because that's like on the first that's what

1220
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: he wanted.

1221
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 6: On the first day that I fished with him, with Mark,

1222
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 6: we went and looked for that jug we like.

1223
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: On the way back.

1224
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 6: On the way back to the marina, he was like,

1225
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 6: I gotta check this jug spot to see if it

1226
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 6: show back up. He's like, I set it out two

1227
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 6: days ago. JUG's missing. But he's got to be in

1228
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 6: here somewhere.

1229
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I asked him if he thought someone horked it,

1230
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: and he thinks he thinks something got it.

1231
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 6: I can tell you from where that thing was where

1232
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 6: we looked for it, no one came across it because

1233
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 6: we were just ripping through. We were ripping through channels

1234
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 6: that were narrower than the gunnals of the boat and

1235
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 6: all the way back in there. And I'd asked him

1236
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 6: earlier when we ran up a similar little channel. I said,

1237
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 6: I said, so, if another boat's coming down here, would

1238
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 6: you guys just stick it up in the grass or

1239
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 6: how do you how do you signal who's going to

1240
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 6: yield to who? And he goes, there's only two other

1241
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 6: people that drive these these channels. He's like, and I

1242
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 6: know both of them. But he didn't actually answer the

1243
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 6: question because he didn't clarify if he knew where they

1244
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 6: were at that moment.

1245
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: At least we know somebody.

1246
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 6: Odds, the odds are good, But you haven't quite satisfied

1247
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 6: my anxiety about this.

1248
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: That dude told us the story that I'll just go

1249
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: tellics we're not we're not. We did our last camp,

1250
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: our last close calls thing. But check this out. So

1251
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: he used to have a buddy named Nam who was

1252
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: from Vietnam, and he was a refugee that came to

1253
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: the US after the end of Vietnam War, and they

1254
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: lived in the same what he called it. He showed

1255
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: me the village, which is not there anymore, but where

1256
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: he was brought up. And Nom was in his village.

1257
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: And when Katrina came, they had gone and checked on

1258
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: Noam multiple times to make sure they're on the same

1259
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: page that Nam is in fact leaving. He's going to evacuate,

1260
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: And everyone was understood that Nam was evacuating, and they

1261
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,520
Speaker 1: had a plan put together. But then he doesn't evacuate.

1262
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 1: As the water's coming up, he first thing is gets

1263
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: and sits on his kitchen table as the water's coming up.

1264
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: Then he goes in into his attic. The water keeps

1265
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: coming up to the point where he swims, he gets

1266
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: a breath hold and goes back down and out his

1267
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: kitchen window. When he pops up, he realizes that his

1268
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 1: house isn't even where it was before he was unaware

1269
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: and all the turmoil that the house was drifting. So

1270
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: it's not that the water came up, it's that the

1271
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: house had left its foundation. He eventually grabs down. You

1272
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: know those glass balls on foam poles. He eventually gets

1273
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: hold of one of those, and there's so much junk

1274
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: coming by that he's a phrasingna get picked up in

1275
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: the debris. A tire comes by, He grabs the tire,

1276
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: holds on to the tire, and three miles later hits

1277
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: a fire station roof that's dry, and that's where he

1278
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: winds up.

1279
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 6: And I think at one point he was at it up,

1280
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 6: hanging on to the top of a phone pole.

1281
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that insulator. Yeah, and on that truck tire

1282
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: eventually hit a roof and got out of the water.

1283
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 8: Wow.

1284
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: And he got played out on that and moved yea.

1285
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: And the guy told me, I don't want to divulge

1286
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: who he was because this is a personal story, but

1287
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: he tells you, we're talking about we're doing that whole

1288
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: you got kids, all that you married, and all that

1289
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: he's married. But he's telling me about a past relationship

1290
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: she didn't work out, and he says she was rough.

1291
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: And then someone hooks a fish. One of our guests

1292
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: hooks a fish. So then I'm spending hours hoping he

1293
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: comes back around, but I didn't want to prompt and

1294
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,520
Speaker 1: eventually he came back around with more of an explanation.

1295
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: That was the most stressful period of my trip. I

1296
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: would compare it to the stress that Phil fields in

1297
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: the hardest working state in the Union, when people just

1298
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: aren't getting going on, when he's the only one what

1299
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: he needs to have happened done.

1300
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, that guy when he drove past, he showed us

1301
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 6: the village and it's just two gravel like aprons, and

1302
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 6: he's like, that used to be that road.

1303
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: That used to be that road.

1304
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 6: We're like, what did it look like when you get

1305
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 6: back and he's like, just like this and it's just grass.

1306
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 6: I mean, there's nothing there. And we said, did you

1307
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 6: ever find anything that you left there? They said, yeah,

1308
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 6: my work truck, or like, what's the story there? He

1309
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 6: goes it's over there and points out the water and

1310
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 6: he's like, it's still there, really, and that was it.

1311
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 6: He's like, he's like, my work truck ended up two

1312
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 6: hundred yards out in the water there and it's still

1313
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 6: on the bottom. It was just he he was incredible.

1314
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: He said. He told me, I said, what was the

1315
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: name of the village.

1316
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 6: He just called the village and they were called the

1317
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 6: village people like, not joking, And then he says it

1318
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 6: all the people that the marina has called him.

1319
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. And we get to this rushy corner and he

1320
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: says that was a beach that used to be a beach,

1321
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: and he says, a big alligator lay right there. Any

1322
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: points right across from the beach. He said, the alligator

1323
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: would always be there. It lived at sunned in that spot.

1324
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: And all the kids from the village swim in this spot.

1325
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: And he goes, I don't understand why they let us swim.

1326
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: And he even said it one day that alligator went

1327
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: up and ate one of the neighbors dogs. Yea, and

1328
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: they still didn't stop the kids from swimming in that spot. Oh,

1329
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: I love it.

1330
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 9: We had nothing to land the alligator.

1331
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: Guar with with the guard.

1332
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 9: Isn't that funny?

1333
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1334
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 9: No, those are worthwhile stories right in if you disagree, no.

1335
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: Those are a great swim.

1336
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 9: So that that was like, honestly, like the one of

1337
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 9: the more fun parts about the whole thing, because the

1338
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 9: whole time you're like, there's no way this fish is

1339
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 9: coming on. I was like, just feel fortunate that we

1340
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 9: got to confirm what it was and watching come out

1341
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 9: of the murk was so cool.

1342
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 4: Could you tell where you had it hooked?

1343
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, right in the corner of the jaw, Like, no,

1344
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 9: that would have gotten to the Yeah. So that that

1345
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 9: mono leader that we all just heard the description of

1346
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 9: it was well outside of the tooth, the area and

1347
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 9: the scales, you know, the scales are so hard that

1348
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 9: it'll cut cut mono too. But so we took the

1349
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 9: bow line from the boat, right, so it's got a

1350
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 9: loop in it kind of made a lariat.

1351
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 4: Uh the guy.

1352
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 9: Uh, We put the loop over the end of the rod,

1353
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 9: fed it all the way down the rod, down the

1354
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 9: line to the gar.

1355
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: I got I got confused, right, because what's the objective

1356
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: is to lasso the gar because we.

1357
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 9: Get the jig back right, he put the net out there, Yeah.

1358
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: Right, I understand. Now, so he passes the loop over

1359
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: the rod down the line and then lastles it.

1360
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, do a little hand, understand to get the rope

1361
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 9: down there. We're like, okay, we kind of did that.

1362
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: That's good.

1363
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 9: And he's like, now lift his nose up. It's like,

1364
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 9: well that we can't do that. It's not the rod's

1365
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 9: not stiff enough to get this prehistoric fish out of

1366
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 9: the water. But so he kind of got his hand

1367
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 9: in there and got the loop over the guard's nose.

1368
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 9: And then the gar kicked and I'm kind of like

1369
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 9: waiting for the rope to go top. Well, he never

1370
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 9: grabbed it and gave it a jerk, so the fish

1371
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 9: just swam straight through it.

1372
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 10: It was.

1373
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 9: So then it's like and then we go to throw

1374
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 9: it all over again. This time he sinches up, kicks

1375
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 9: a little bit. We haul him in the boat. Got

1376
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 9: a couple of pictures and yeah, I mean it was

1377
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 9: it was just so laughable like that, you know, you're like,

1378
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 9: look at this thing, and and it was actually pretty

1379
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 9: darn docile in the in the boat.

1380
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm guessing he was fine when you turn

1381
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: him loose, they don't seem like you face him too bad.

1382
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 9: No, I gave him like the big shocking plunge, you know,

1383
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 9: and that thing just kicked like it was swimming all day. Yeah,

1384
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 9: but yeah, super super cool fish and ye had we

1385
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 9: were we were talking to uh about this study that

1386
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 9: came out just this year on evolution, right, and it

1387
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 9: was like, so a gar is a living fossil, as

1388
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 9: is like, and this is on fish as is like

1389
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 9: a seila cant as is uh. I guess you could

1390
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 9: say have Alina is too sand hill crane, but this

1391
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 9: study was on fish. So it was like tarping a

1392
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 9: couple other things to kind of see how they have changed.

1393
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 9: And they demonstrated that the long nose gar and the

1394
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 9: alligator gar have changed the least in and even so little.

1395
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 9: They're so genetically different or not different. Rather that even

1396
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 9: though the long nose gar came along like one hundred

1397
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 9: million years after the alligator gar, they can still have

1398
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 9: successful successful hybrid offspring. Really yeah, so it's like is

1399
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 9: it perfect evolution, right? It just got to a place

1400
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 9: of ultimate survivability that is just like no changes needed.

1401
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: M Yeah.

1402
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 9: The little windows update circle is like still spinning or

1403
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,440
Speaker 9: not spinning.

1404
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1405
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that was that was

1406
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 9: super super cool.

1407
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: All right, man. Well, thanks guys, stingray wrapping her up

1408
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: best for last, Krin, share your sting rays story, Krin,

1409
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: she was looking for mister Wright.

1410
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 8: It's not really my stingray story. It was just that

1411
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 8: we were on a boat with two guests, Mark and Joe,

1412
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 8: and uh, Joe hooked onto something that you know, just

1413
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 8: gave him a It was a tussle and he ended

1414
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 8: up pulling in a really huge stingray. I don't in diameter.

1415
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 8: I don't know how big. Okay, Steve is whispering. It

1416
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 8: wasn't that big in the.

1417
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 1: Way of stingrays. It was a pretty normal southern stingray.

1418
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 8: I guess all day we had caught like a couple.

1419
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: Do you know what the other what the more common

1420
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: stingray is here?

1421
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 9: I don't know what this one is.

1422
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: Now, be easy to find out. He caught a He

1423
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: caught a very normal southern stingray.

1424
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 8: Okay, So then the one side caught were just tiny.

1425
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:08,919
Speaker 1: There were different species.

1426
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 8: Oh, I see, Okay, but anyway, uh, I guess a

1427
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 8: lot of people don't know. You can eat him. And

1428
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 8: Steve has definitely cleaned his fair share, as you were

1429
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 8: telling me, And you call him a low yield, low

1430
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 8: yield critter. But I just really wanted to taste what

1431
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 8: they tasted like. I loved it.

1432
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: It didn't get mopped up as quick as all the

1433
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: other fish that get served here.

1434
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 8: Oh no, I mean we we yeah, we we ate that.

1435
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 8: So I guess you you cut him off. How would

1436
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 8: you describe it? It's like you cut into it's yeah,

1437
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 8: the side wings off.

1438
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the wing, each of the wings has two flats

1439
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: on top of a cartilaginous collection of rays, I guess

1440
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: one would say.

1441
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,839
Speaker 8: And then on the you had like kind of thinner.

1442
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, low yield on top, low yield on bottom, better

1443
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: yield on top.

1444
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 8: There was a lot of meat that came out of

1445
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 8: that fish, like yeah, for four people didn't even finish it.

1446
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 9: And I will say the only reason it didn't get

1447
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 9: mopped up faster. I thought it was very good, but uh,

1448
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 9: there was a liberal because it would be the nice

1449
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 9: way of putting it food blackened, seasoning on the top.

1450
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I was struggling with. I quite

1451
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: liked it, but it was he had just Our chef

1452
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: has been phenomenal and very hard working and has done

1453
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 1: just a NonStop array of amazing food, but he got

1454
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: something got a little I think that he wasn't enthusiastic.

1455
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: He was he was very receptive to the Yeah, he

1456
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: was like, sure, I'll do anything, but I think that

1457
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: he might have been like, I'm going to put a

1458
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: little extra. He was skeptical, and I think he might

1459
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: have thought one going to.

1460
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 9: He did tell a little extra season last night too,

1461
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 9: that that black seasoning that they had is not his,

1462
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 9: is not what he typically does because when that stuff

1463
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 9: like really chars, he thinks it gets even saltier. So

1464
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 9: you know, commony, classic chef's deal. Right, It's like, well,

1465
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 9: it's not what I usually am.

1466
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: But there are certain and this is one of there

1467
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: are certain things where the yield is so low I

1468
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: want to feeling bad about it. Like have you ever

1469
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: cleaned a shovel nose uh sturge shovel nose sturgeon. It's

1470
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: like you get this big old cool fish and you

1471
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: clean You're like, geez, man, I feel like, yeah, I

1472
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: got like I'm here's like fifteen percent of the fish

1473
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: is in my hand.

1474
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, a spoon bill or paddlefish. You know, like if

1475
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 9: you're getting rid of the red meat man, you really

1476
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 9: feel bad about and raised.

1477
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: Always you feel like you're done and it looks like

1478
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: there's still a ray lay in there. Never bothered me,

1479
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: but you're right bother me frog legs, Yeah, that hasn't

1480
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: bothered me. But yeah, yeah, frog is a low yield creature.

1481
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: But it doesn't bother me. But no, maybe it will. Yeah,

1482
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: it's just good. It's just intestines.

1483
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 8: I know, are you guys going to fight over whether

1484
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 8: it tastes like scallop or not.

1485
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a bunch of research and I

1486
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: get a minute, and I'm gonna do a presentation.

1487
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 4: An explanation of where it maybe came from. The table

1488
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 4: they were sitting with.

1489
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 7: His grandfather had a special two that he had made

1490
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 7: twelve inches for real. I'm just trusting a nice gentleman

1491
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 7: that spent a week with us or three days with us,

1492
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 7: and it was sharpened on one end and he would

1493
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 7: punch the little scallop shapes out of the wings. But

1494
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 7: what I didn't know is that I would have thought

1495
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 7: they would have filayed it first and then done it,

1496
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 7: but they didn't. So maybe that's where that comes from,

1497
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 7: is because as a way to more easily process such

1498
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 7: a pain in the butt and able to process. They

1499
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 7: just punched little scallops out of it, and then they

1500
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 7: would just quickly cut cut their two pieces and then

1501
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 7: just cook them.

1502
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 4: So maybe that's where that came from.

1503
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: I know that little tool they're talking about because I

1504
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 1: had a biopsy taken with one of those, that little

1505
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: scallop one. But yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

1506
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, could be, could be it's a

1507
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: yeah they call it, you know how everybody down here,

1508
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: like everybody in the whole world started some years ago

1509
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: referring to a fish with its skin on is on

1510
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: the half shell, which is coming from oyster, like the

1511
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: whole world adopted that. Maybe calling it a scallop was

1512
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: because you're just cutting a little circle out and it

1513
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: looks it.

1514
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 4: Has nothing to do with scallop.

1515
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: Like they're trying to sell me fake scallops.

1516
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 4: And they really weren't. They're just trying to eat raise.

1517
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: That could be. Thanks for listening, everybody, Thank you, Phil, Thanks.

1518
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 4: Bill, Bill, enjoy your afternoon in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: I wish you around Boston. Phil rum Drink ever hardest

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Speaker 1: working man in the hard working state